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I would be going for this if I hadnt got a X670E Asus Crosshair hero and paid a lot more for it getting close to 2 years ago now the Gigabyte looks like a better price
Hi, sorry to bother you, may I ask for help about page 25-26 of the manual talking about the need to "When using a single-sided M.2 SSD, first attach the bundled M.2 thermal pad to the pre-installed thermal pad on the M.2 connector before installing the M.2 SSD" My new new Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite WiFi7 looks just like yours but I don't understand what this "bundled M.2 thermal pad" is: I don't have one in the packaging of the motherboard... should it be expected to come with all NVME SSDs? I know my new SSD (Samsung 990pro 4TB, it's a single-sided form factor) doesn't have one and I don't understand whether I can install it properly or not. I'm baffled. I don't know what to do. Should I buy some thermal pads and install them? Did you encounter a similar issue?
Also page 26 mentions some thick and thin rubber pads: those absolutely seem proprietary and weren't bundled in my packaging, which was new. I tried contacting AORUS Gigabyte assistance because I am at a loss here... I don't even know what specific thickness I need to reach if I want to use thermal pads from other producers...
Thanks for taking the time to remove all the heatsinks and stuff off the motherboard. Its good to see it without all the bits that hide the actual board.
you just got to love this channel, clear, concise, simple to understand, key information only, good pros and cons, this video just made my next motherboard choice simple., as always, THANK YOU
Just found the channel, what a refreshing change to the usual style of presentation. This looks like a great motherboard for the price. I didn't expect to be able to afford such a well featured board.
I used to always get Asus and they were in the 200-300 range, now they are like 500-800 range. Its stupid. This one is like 400 here and has more ports/options/heatsinks.
After having a Dead Strix 870E mobo (code 0d, dead mobo) and broken TUF board delivered, I went with this motherboard. Easiest build yet, it just worked! 9900x, 64GB of T-Create 6000MT's, and 4080 Super. It has been a very strong board as I have pushed it on stress tests and found a split second it bounced up to 5.9Ghz in a Cinebench 23 test. Thanks for your review to get this one out there. GREAT BOARD.
be carefull, you cant use 2 or more PCIE 5.0 ssds on x870e boards expect 2 of them, without limiting your GPU x16 slot lane down to x8 for most x870 & x870e boards. cheers.
@@teanymonster5227 Thank you! I will get one of them out of the other 5.0 slot. Was wondering why I have 8x only, i do have 2 NVME in 5.0 slots. Thanks again.
@@snowbeast7216 NICE! great to hear that someone actually "fixed" this, i find it quite unpleasent how this isnt advatised more but great to hear that you are aware now too
@@snowbeast7216 Hi, sorry to bother you, may I ask you about the NVME in this mobo? Manuals from different revisions state completely conflicting version of either absolutely needing some additional thermal pads and rubber pads that should be bundled with the motherboad (mine didn't have them bundled!) in order to mount single-sided NVMEs or don't mention anything at all so it's not clear how to install NVMEs in either the main slot or the additional ones (do the main slot REQUIRE an additional thermal pad for single sided NVME as one manual states? do the additional slots REQUIRE thermal rubber pads -thick ones and thin ones- as stated in one of the manuals?) May I ask you how you solve this issue? Are your NVME temperatures ok? Is the NVME making proper contact with the cooling system?
Thank you so much for this. I like your presentation style a lot. Even though it seems to be hard to actually acquire at the moment, i decided to... Snatch one for my 9900x build.
Finally a proper look at this motherboard!! (I bought it, I'm waiting for delivery and I will be building a set on it!) - after over 5 years, it's time to say goodbye to the z390 generation and the Intel i7 9700k (and Intel as such for now ;-D - you know why ;-D) - and for me, compared to my motherboard, even removing these heatsinks (and the release of the graphics card without a sore finger or the risk of scratching the motherboard with a screwdriver to get to the lock) and plugging in the drives is insane!
@@Jupex Yes, all put together, running stable and looks great. I did end up buying a 90-deg 24-pin and front panel USB connecter. Those connectors help turn the cables better to the back of the board. I have a rear, top mounted power supply. Having the same controller for RRB for the GPU and case fans is nice, less apps to run for RGB. I wish I didn't use the NZXT included case fans and controller. I don't like having another app to run the case installed fans. And, I have Corsair memory which needs iCue for the RGB, that sucks too. I am using the Gigabyte and AMD software for moderate overclocking, seems stable so far.
Haven't yet felt the need to jump to AM5 yet. Still happy on AM4, but I'm very happy with Gigabyte's stuff. I normally go for MSI boards but in wanting to do an Intel build (as I hadn't done one for years) I was actually very impressed with the Z790 Aorus Elite for feature set - just recently added the Thunderbolt 4 card and it works a charm. If and when I do go for AM5 I will definitely go for the X3D and this board.
As a Canadian, I always appreciate the understated British humour. In this case you had me with the wi-fi antenna: "...It also unplugs." Spot on. Edit: The bottom slot on the 870E is also Gen 3 x4 not Gen 3 x2 (thank the second chipset). As well, yes, PCIe slots are useful for U.2 drive adapter expansion cards, properly high-speed network cards, a multitude of pro A/V cards, etc., etc. It's actually brutal ATX boards by most manufacturers have lost PCIe slots (Gigabyte being a notable exception). If you don't like the slots get a more affordable mATX board perhaps?
Just got the board delivered today.. Nice to get a review on the same day. One of the reason for purchase was because of the pcie slots though, since I want to put a 10gig nic in it. So yes there is a use case for those x4(x16) slots ;). Now just waiting for 9800x3d to be released.
for all high end OC boards , wish they gave : - ram fan cooling bracket for those high end OC settings plus small size 10mm thick fans like the noctua ones or some way to cool the ram without interference with cpu heatsink - longer wifi antennas - dual bios - cmos reset switch - cpu contact frame for better thermals and protection of the cpu bending issue + a proper hex torque wrench for that ilm frame screws - rgb remote control - sophisticated 12V and 5V sata powered fan hub with 10 ports each for PWM and rgb - m.2 expansion card - include a bunch of PWM extension cables - PTM 7950 thermal pad - two ps2 ports for no frills connectivity for mouse+kb while in bios - marking on the usb headers which have direct connectivity lanes to cpu for that low latency IO devices like mouse + kb for gaming - some replica of asus nitro path
- The effin PROPRIETARY SIZE "Bundled Thermal Pad" needed for single sided NVME as per the manual instructions. - The effin PROPRIETARY SIZE "Bundled Thin Rubber Pads" and "Bundled Thick Rubber Pads" that manual instructs you to use for additional NVMEs...
@@zlibz4582 I contacted them but they're not replying on this issue, this is infuriating and I'm considering just asking for a full refund at this point.
There's a lot of comparisons to the ASRock Nova in the comments. You have to decide which is more important to you. Having full PCIe 5.0 x16, but only one M.2 connected directly to the CPU in the case of the Nova. Or three M.2 connected to the CPU directly with this board, and the PCIe 5.0 running at x8 if more than one is used. No GPU planned is using full PCIe 5.0 x16, and this board still has an additional M.2 on the chipset, if you want to run full x16 and have two M.2. The Nova is not better by default, this is a Chipset / CPU lane limitation either way.
@vqa33 M.2 to CPU is less latency. More PCB layers is usually only to prevent signal interference, which depends on efficiency of trace routing. ASRock may have needed 8 or simple added for "extreme" OC of memory, which most do not do. All boards share lanes between PCIe and storage. Here it's the same, but with the Gigabyte board you have the option to have an additional 2 M.2 directly to the CPU, the ASRock does not.
I'm a big fan of these X870/870E Gigabyte boards overall, Had great success with X570 Aorus Master board and B650i using right now for 7950X-3D mini itx. The other X870E board that interest me for the quality and feature set is the ASUS ProArt board.
Thanks Leo, was a good video. learned a good bit about the platform too. Who on earth thought that SNATCH was a good name for anything in the tech sector? hilarious
Thanks for a great review! I am thinking of getting this motherboard or its "Pro" variant, as it has a bit better VRMs. The thing I don't really like is that if you use any of those Gen 5 m.2 slots, the primary slot drops down to x8 mode. That's plenty of bandwidth for the majority of graphics cards nowadays, especially the new ones that are about to come out, but it's something to keep in mind as a buyer. Again, thanks for a great review!
I am planing to get a 5090 next year so that's actually a bit of a concern, are you saying if I ran a PCI 5 m.2 my 5090 has it's bandwidth slashed in half?
@@deloford All gigabyte motherboards with x870e chipset function this way (yes, even the Master), but this only applies to two m.2 5.0 slots beneath the pcie x16 slot. Using the one above it will not affect the bandwidth. When it came to current generation boards and GPUs on pcie gen 4, a 4090 saw almost no bottleneck when used in slots running in x8 mode. Since pcie gen 5 is double the bandwidth of gen 4, I doubt it will see any bottleneck when the primary slot is running in x8 mode. I hope this helps.
It’s nice they have added some vents into the rear Io panel but really that whole area needs a bit of a redesign. It’s very busy and congested with all those ports shoved into it nowadays.
you are the first person to put something up about this board that tells me what i need to know. Thank you! It should do well with a 9700x or a future 9800x3d and a ton of m.2 storage. I am curious however. For its aesthetics does it have rgb under the top IO cover where is says Aorus?
keep in mind that lane sharing of the GPUs x16 slot lane PCIE 5.0 is shared when using multiple PCIE 5.0 ssds. Quote from the speficications page - " The M2B_CPU and M2C_CPU connectors share bandwidth with the PCIEX16 slot." just get a x670e board if you dont need the higher lan spped / wifi 7 / usb 4.0 standard. everything else is pretty much the same or better on the x670e boards in my opinion. cheers
@@christopherramsay5517 but its asrock if you dont want that brand its sad, but i agree the nova is pretty nice on paper, cant talk about it further as i didnt use it before only read about it. cheers
I believe you forgot to mention that the CPU socket has a reinforced backing plate, as well as the graphics card slot, I have this board and along with the pushbutton pcie release and the tool free drive access, with a 7900 XTX I really appreciate the extra rigidity of the reinforced slot. I've tortured this board for a month or so and its stable as a rock.... I was gonna say the software wasn't up to date but while watching this video I see there is a new bios, control center and several other drivers I guess I'll update it as I don't see AI snatch anywhere hehe, it also has several spots on board including in back with rgb built into it...... Super Solid MB imho for the price!
@KitGuruTech i can confirm the new bios did then trigger gigabyte control center to update all drivers and install AI Snatch, it's working fluid n fast DDR5 6000 at EXPO 1 CL30...7900xtx and 9700x ( 7800x3d sold out), primary cached gen 5 system drive and backups in 2 and 4....all TB....working a mint !!! For the price I don't think I could have chose better, I'll be using the USB 4 eventually!
I almost regret having just bought the MSI Carbon, but not quite. I may have a use for the PCIe x4 slot: a Blackmagic Decklink card. That aside there's not much in it.
This board might even be considered budget by some, especially when the MSI Godlike and ASUS Maximus are priced between £700+. - £1300. Crazy prices in 2024
That seems like a fair rating for a very good mid range board. The only board I had listed above it is the asrock gaming phantom nova 870e. Gives you pretty much everything the tachi has but at a cheaper price. I really like that the primary m.2 does not share lanes with the pcie1 16 slot for the gpu.
I've had this board for 3 weeks and the only little complaint I have is the lane sharing and no clear cmos on the back. I've done some research, and it doesn't look like lowering the GPU bandwidth hurts too much if even at all for gaming. Looks like in most cases you might lose a couple of FPS which probably won't be noticeable. That being said, I have 3 of the M2 slots populated and everything has been smooth. 2 x gen 4 2tb and 1 4tb gen4 crucial.
The 2 pci-e slots may be basic but Gigabyte have at least fitted them, me I have a 10gbe and a capture card and it's extremely frustrating finding most motherboards have all their lanes allocated to m.2 slots.
Micro Center is offering a bundle w/ the 7950x3d, I've been wondering if it's worth pulling the trigger. I don't like how the PCIe x16 slot shares bandwith w/ two of the M.2 slots though, but I've read that supposedly it won't affect GPU performance much, but not sure what the reality is.
I bought that bundle a few weeks ago and haven't opened it yet. Trying to see if I should take it back based on the reviews of the 9800x3D. If that chip isn't much faster than the 7950x3D I'll keep it and start building.
@@Kwincy5 Careful, you may not be able to bring it back if it's been 15 days since you purchased, I believe I was told return policy for cpu and mobo is 15 days.
can't get over the gigabyte bios though, different opinion with you on that. The 2 PCIe slots, those are quite useful, for a NIC in the x4 pci4 slot, and a sound card in the other.
This is what I'm planning to use with a 9800X3D. Do I HAVE to update the BIOS before booting into windows? (I've got enough memory sticks round here that I'm losing track of as it is :P )
Hoping they release a similar speced matx board with B850 later this year. Wish the we'd get more POST troubleshooting LEDs (88-digit leds) on midrange boards. Looked at their B650M Aurous Elite and I couldn't find even find a single LED for troubleshooting. That doesn't seem very elite, but maybe they like getting boards back as defect claims 😂
I went with the aorus pro ice x870e because it's by far the best looking white board on the market. And I'm not dumb enough to think 5.0 8x is really going to drop performance by more than 10-15 frames even on a 5090 if I want a few more SSD's.
Got a question re the USB4. The specs indicate "2 x USB4® USB Type-C® ports, supporting USB4 and DisplayPort video outputs and a maximum resolution of 3840x2160@240 Hz" Does that mean that one has to use a USB-C to DP adapter and a DP monitor rather than a USBC to HDMI adapter and a HDMI monitor??
Good review Leo - price point seems good, but last Gigabyte board I had was very poor, had a lot of hard locks. sent it back and got a ROG board, much better
Does USB4 works with thunderbolt 3 audio interfaces for studio? Cannot find any reliable data on internet. X870e does not have TB header on motherboard either like x670 had... Thanks for answering.
Decided to buy a new hardware: Core ULTRA z890 motherboard+CPU and use my existing, still very strong going PSU Corsair HX750i. Wattage is good enough but i'm worry if new hardware requires new generation PSU too (gen 3 vs gen 4)
How viable is the large heat sink for cooling two Gen5 NVMEs and one Gen4? I've seen that Gen5 can run really hot so I am concerned if the single heat spreader works for multiple drives.
I am wondering about the In Out on the back where we use to have jacks for Sound, which seems to have changed, where there use to be different colored jacks for 5.1 audio, what is going on that these are now missing from the backs of many of the Mother boards.. I noticed that the asus Tuf board still has them, but most boards have gone away, what is the deal if you could let me know.. and or is there an audio interface which will allow someone to plug in their 5.1 jacks into it..
I've been thinking about just getting a 670e for my next build, but the easy installation features for m.2s and the release button for the graphics card may push me the other way. I tend to slowly upgrade my systems over time so those things add value. The BIOS looks really good. I can take or leave the usb4 or wifi 7 though.
I am not liking the idea of the proprietary plugin Wi-Fi antenna. I replaced my stock one with one that was more stable than the cheap one that came with the motherboard and kept falling over. I was then also surprised by the stronger signal. This would only work for me if that plug could be adapted to another antenna.
This really is a great board - very well balanced and not compromised - just a small accessory pack with it. Are those VRMs any good ? how are they rated? I dont understand that side of things very well.
Hi! I bought the same motherboard. I was wondering where among the M.2 slots does 2280 ssd works? And also the wifi doesn't work even i downloaded driver for it. Tysm!!!
I see that these motherboards say they support 5.1 and 7.1 audio, but the motherboard only has a Line Out and a Mic 3.5 jack in the back. How is the multi channel audio accessed?
How many M.2 SSD Nvme can fit in this motherboard without dropping down the GPS from 16 to 8, also can I use Gen 4 M.2 SSD in all the slots instead of Gen 5 as the Gen 4 would be cheaper to use.
Can someone explain in TECHNICAL TERMS The differences between Gigabyte X870E Aorus PRO and Gigabyte X870E AORUS ELITE The price of the first one is 80-90€ for what exactly
Yeah, but you can put one PCIe Gen 5 in that gets lanes from the CPU and one Gen 4 that gets its lanes from the chipset and you won't hit the top PCIe slot - so you'll still get the full x16 for your graphics card. This is an issue for all the X870e motherboards, not just Gigabyte.
@@CRF-2013 I meant the sharing of the PCIe16 5.0 lanes with M.2 SSD. True, not only Gigabyte shares PCIe lanes when M.2 SSD is installed. As far as I know the ASRock X870E Taichi ( and the lite one) has one M.2 which gets 4 lanes PCIe 5.0 without sharing lanes from the PCIe 16 Graphicscard slot. But then again 8 lanes of the PCIe_1 (16 gen 5.0) slot will be shared once the PCIe_2 gets occupied as well. As far as I know now only ASRock Taichi boards do not share PCIE_1 5.0 lanes with PCIE M.2 SSD.
@@Boofatcha Relatively a bad thing. But PCIe 5.0- will be the next standard, so the graphic cards developers will also be on the 5.0 PCIe platform. I ended up buying an ASRock Taichi X870E motherboard. The first M.2 SSD is PCIe 5.0 without sharing any of the 16 lanes of the PCIe_1 5.0. As far as i know none of the ASRock X870E motherboards share lanes of the5.0 PCIe_1 x16. This chipset and CPU of the Taichi have 24 5.0 PCIe lanes, PCIe_1 x16 for the graphics card, which leaves 8 5.0 PCIe lanes to share. Four of them go to the M.2_1 drive the other four to USB 4.0, I believe. Sharing PCIe 5.0 lanes is a waste of PCIe lanes as far as speed is concerned. The M.2_1 drive on my MB is really 'blazing fast'. Because it doesn't share lanes with the 5.0 PCIe_1 x16 (graphic card slot). Goodluck with your queeste.
I was looking at the MSI X870 Tomahawk, which has 5G LAN. I only plan to use 2x m.2 4.0 SSDs, so there should be no lane problems. But I didn’t know mainboards would perform differently in benchmarks. How do the Gigabyte compare to the MSI? The price is very similar.
I got one of those by default, my ASUS TUF B650 WiFi board died after 8 months, ongoing issue with ASUS. I decided I had enough of ASUS, so I decided to jump ship with Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite WiFi7. Really nice, lots of features and temperatures on the CPU also greatly reduced. The price is not that much more than regular B650 main board. I have the RealTek version. Thumbs up from me :)
why the hack the algo didnt show me yr channel before??? But thx i found it. thx ffor the video. Whats abaout the 3 M2 ? did they grab some lanes frome the GPU? :-)
still waiting on any new 870 mb to have backside connectors and to be as white as possible for a clean build... anything else would look out of place in my white Light Base 600LX...
And yet, usualy 670 series frim Gigabyte had problems with bios and ddr stability. Does the new 870 series suffers the same? This is the only question that deserves an answer.
I've not had particularly good luck with Gigabyte products outside of mobo's, though from what I was looking at a few months ago on the E variants, this actually looks pretty reasonable versus everything else. At least two usable PCIe full x16 slots, lots of NVME lanes and a respectable backplate. ADD: For those of us running 5300RPM fans, yes, SATA slots do come in handy. 😁 As much as a bother as they are, nvme drives over 4tb aren't particularly plentiful or affordable, so mass storage still defaults to HDDs too.
Quite a few years back (think decades ago) Gigabyte had real quality problems with their motherboards. I can't remember the year, but they took up the issue at a management meeting and was seriously considering ditching the motherboards entirely as the RMA costs made them lose money on every sold MB. They decided to give it one last chance and this time the quality was supposed to be the primary when deciding on construction and choosing make and model of components rather than always go with the cheapest option. This was way before they "invented" the Aurous name, I would say it was more than a decade ago perhaps two. But the change was immediate. The motherboards they released after that cut down on the RMS cost by a lot, and suddenly they were making money on selling motherboards instead of losing money. AFAIK they've kept making decent motherboards since, instead of cutting corners until they fail often enough to cost them more money for the warranty replacements than they make selling them. All in all this doesn't really matter for customers today. I just think it's pretty interesting to know that once they were doing so bad that they were considering ditching the motherboard business.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 That sounds very accurate to my experience with the last GPU I got from them, back in the 280x era. While it never blew up like their power supply woes not too long ago, it overheated even with minimal tasks and would regularly self-destruct into Errorville in games. Between the 280x issue and their QA dipping lower on other product lines, I have been leery to pick up function-centric products from them, though I have eyeballed their TR40 boards numerous times. Good to know the effort is being made to improve!
@@RainOrbs Yeah, I've run into the m.2 downrating other lanes issue before, which was a particular draw to this generation of motherboard that was supposed to fix that (the X870E variants specifically). I've mostly decided to go X670E for half the price depending on the next variants of the X3D chips if the higher core counts (9900 or 9950s) get dual vcache allotments, otherwise the only other x870E boards that work for me are in the $500 range, which is just absurd to get bracketed into that segment for two features.
Please report any spam you see, it's seemingly never-ending at the minute! While you're here, let us know if you agree with Leo on the X870E Aorus Elite...
I would be going for this if I hadnt got a X670E Asus Crosshair hero and paid a lot more for it getting close to 2 years ago now the Gigabyte looks like a better price
what is differen between this and x870e pro?
Hi, sorry to bother you, may I ask for help about page 25-26 of the manual talking about the need to
"When using a single-sided M.2 SSD, first attach the bundled M.2 thermal pad to the pre-installed thermal pad on the M.2 connector before installing the M.2 SSD"
My new new Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite WiFi7 looks just like yours but I don't understand what this "bundled M.2 thermal pad" is: I don't have one in the packaging of the motherboard... should it be expected to come with all NVME SSDs?
I know my new SSD (Samsung 990pro 4TB, it's a single-sided form factor) doesn't have one and I don't understand whether I can install it properly or not. I'm baffled. I don't know what to do. Should I buy some thermal pads and install them? Did you encounter a similar issue?
Also page 26 mentions some thick and thin rubber pads: those absolutely seem proprietary and weren't bundled in my packaging, which was new. I tried contacting AORUS Gigabyte assistance because I am at a loss here... I don't even know what specific thickness I need to reach if I want to use thermal pads from other producers...
I notice your package lacked those items too.
Did you find any issue with temperatures while testing your nvme? Was it single sided or double sided?
Thanks for taking the time to remove all the heatsinks and stuff off the motherboard. Its good to see it without all the bits that hide the actual board.
no problem !
I agree I like seeing them stripped down and naked.
@@hairsprungdutchtechnique9626 😂
@@KitGuruTech It was exactly what i wanted to see.
you just got to love this channel, clear, concise, simple to understand, key information only, good pros and cons, this video just made my next motherboard choice simple., as always, THANK YOU
Thanks, appreciate it and glad we could help!
Plus a slight dash of dry English humour.😉
I have the X670 version and it's still going strong. Keep up the great work you guys and stay safe.
Thanks, you too!
Just found the channel, what a refreshing change to the usual style of presentation. This looks like a great motherboard for the price. I didn't expect to be able to afford such a well featured board.
Much appreciated!
Its well kitted out. I cant get over how expensive motherboards have gotten in the last year, its madness
Sadly almost everything is expensive this year.
@@gareos9bf This, want more then 4 SATA and 6 USB-A? That will be 500€ please.
I used to always get Asus and they were in the 200-300 range, now they are like 500-800 range. Its stupid. This one is like 400 here and has more ports/options/heatsinks.
@@melkert81 and if you don't need the -E, it's only $275 at the moment. That would be about £220. Really good compared to the competition.
After having a Dead Strix 870E mobo (code 0d, dead mobo) and broken TUF board delivered, I went with this motherboard. Easiest build yet, it just worked! 9900x, 64GB of T-Create 6000MT's, and 4080 Super. It has been a very strong board as I have pushed it on stress tests and found a split second it bounced up to 5.9Ghz in a Cinebench 23 test. Thanks for your review to get this one out there. GREAT BOARD.
be carefull, you cant use 2 or more PCIE 5.0 ssds on x870e boards expect 2 of them, without limiting your GPU x16 slot lane down to x8 for most x870 & x870e boards. cheers.
@@teanymonster5227 Thank you! I will get one of them out of the other 5.0 slot. Was wondering why I have 8x only, i do have 2 NVME in 5.0 slots. Thanks again.
@@snowbeast7216 NICE! great to hear that someone actually "fixed" this, i find it quite unpleasent how this isnt advatised more but great to hear that you are aware now too
@@snowbeast7216 Hi, sorry to bother you, may I ask you about the NVME in this mobo?
Manuals from different revisions state completely conflicting version of either absolutely needing some additional thermal pads and rubber pads that should be bundled with the motherboad (mine didn't have them bundled!) in order to mount single-sided NVMEs or don't mention anything at all so it's not clear how to install NVMEs in either the main slot or the additional ones (do the main slot REQUIRE an additional thermal pad for single sided NVME as one manual states? do the additional slots REQUIRE thermal rubber pads -thick ones and thin ones- as stated in one of the manuals?)
May I ask you how you solve this issue? Are your NVME temperatures ok? Is the NVME making proper contact with the cooling system?
Amazing that £300 now is almost seen as a budget board. How things have changed
By weight maybe things are ok. I just got an MSI Carbon and it weighs a ton compared to my old X470 board 🤪
Makes it even more logical to buy last gen
£290 is very good in todays market. same price as a box of kelloggs crunchy nut cornflakes in tesco this week
😂Cereal for dinner - kellogs
Agreed ...... and the VRMs on Crunchy Nut Cornflakes are pretty good
Nice to see the BIOS, a lot of videos never show the BIOS much or at all.
I like to see the BIOS its very annoying having a rubbish one. Only thing is they should be transparent to update.
They really improved on their bios.
Thank you so much for this. I like your presentation style a lot. Even though it seems to be hard to actually acquire at the moment, i decided to... Snatch one for my 9900x build.
at least this time there was no need to flash bios for it to work nor any windows problems, happy times for Leo
Competent and perfectly paced video. Great work
Much appreciated!
Super appreciate your coverage on motherboards!
Such an underrated piece of any build
Finally a proper look at this motherboard!! (I bought it, I'm waiting for delivery and I will be building a set on it!) - after over 5 years, it's time to say goodbye to the z390 generation and the Intel i7 9700k (and Intel as such for now ;-D - you know why ;-D) - and for me, compared to my motherboard, even removing these heatsinks (and the release of the graphics card without a sore finger or the risk of scratching the motherboard with a screwdriver to get to the lock) and plugging in the drives is insane!
Well, if they're offering, then yes - I'll have a look at their snatch.
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Thanks for the detailed review, just got my board yesterday and planning to install the 9800x3D and Gigabyte 4080 Super. We'll see how that goes soon.
How did the build go?
Did you survive the install?
@@Jupex Yes, all put together, running stable and looks great. I did end up buying a 90-deg 24-pin and front panel USB connecter. Those connectors help turn the cables better to the back of the board. I have a rear, top mounted power supply. Having the same controller for RRB for the GPU and case fans is nice, less apps to run for RGB. I wish I didn't use the NZXT included case fans and controller. I don't like having another app to run the case installed fans. And, I have Corsair memory which needs iCue for the RGB, that sucks too. I am using the Gigabyte and AMD software for moderate overclocking, seems stable so far.
Did you have to do the BIOS update for the ryzen 7 9800x3d to work?
Haven't yet felt the need to jump to AM5 yet. Still happy on AM4, but I'm very happy with Gigabyte's stuff. I normally go for MSI boards but in wanting to do an Intel build (as I hadn't done one for years) I was actually very impressed with the Z790 Aorus Elite for feature set - just recently added the Thunderbolt 4 card and it works a charm. If and when I do go for AM5 I will definitely go for the X3D and this board.
As a Canadian, I always appreciate the understated British humour. In this case you had me with the wi-fi antenna: "...It also unplugs." Spot on.
Edit: The bottom slot on the 870E is also Gen 3 x4 not Gen 3 x2 (thank the second chipset).
As well, yes, PCIe slots are useful for U.2 drive adapter expansion cards, properly high-speed network cards, a multitude of pro A/V cards, etc., etc. It's actually brutal ATX boards by most manufacturers have lost PCIe slots (Gigabyte being a notable exception). If you don't like the slots get a more affordable mATX board perhaps?
ooo been looking at this board over the last 2 days for the 9800x3d great timing!
How tf do you manage to get a 9800x3d
Just got the board delivered today.. Nice to get a review on the same day. One of the reason for purchase was because of the pcie slots though, since I want to put a 10gig nic in it. So yes there is a use case for those x4(x16) slots ;). Now just waiting for 9800x3d to be released.
for all high end OC boards , wish they gave :
- ram fan cooling bracket for those high end OC settings plus small size 10mm thick fans like the noctua ones or some way to cool the ram without interference with cpu heatsink
- longer wifi antennas
- dual bios
- cmos reset switch
- cpu contact frame for better thermals and protection of the cpu bending issue + a proper hex torque wrench for that ilm frame screws
- rgb remote control
- sophisticated 12V and 5V sata powered fan hub with 10 ports each for PWM and rgb
- m.2 expansion card
- include a bunch of PWM extension cables
- PTM 7950 thermal pad
- two ps2 ports for no frills connectivity for mouse+kb while in bios
- marking on the usb headers which have direct connectivity lanes to cpu for that low latency IO devices like mouse + kb for gaming
- some replica of asus nitro path
- The effin PROPRIETARY SIZE "Bundled Thermal Pad" needed for single sided NVME as per the manual instructions.
- The effin PROPRIETARY SIZE "Bundled Thin Rubber Pads" and "Bundled Thick Rubber Pads" that manual instructs you to use for additional NVMEs...
@@edraith definitely
@@zlibz4582 I contacted them but they're not replying on this issue, this is infuriating and I'm considering just asking for a full refund at this point.
First of all awesome video very informative enough for a commoner like me to understand the features on the motherboard.
Thanks!
A very nice and thorough review. I thank you for a job well done!
Thanks for watching!
There's a lot of comparisons to the ASRock Nova in the comments. You have to decide which is more important to you. Having full PCIe 5.0 x16, but only one M.2 connected directly to the CPU in the case of the Nova. Or three M.2 connected to the CPU directly with this board, and the PCIe 5.0 running at x8 if more than one is used. No GPU planned is using full PCIe 5.0 x16, and this board still has an additional M.2 on the chipset, if you want to run full x16 and have two M.2. The Nova is not better by default, this is a Chipset / CPU lane limitation either way.
Thanks for this useful comment! But what are the benefits of M2 connected directly to the CPU?
But nova has 8 layer PCB… :) while this card only 6…
I think it’s obvious that sharing lanes with M2 is much better than with GPU.
@vqa33 M.2 to CPU is less latency. More PCB layers is usually only to prevent signal interference, which depends on efficiency of trace routing. ASRock may have needed 8 or simple added for "extreme" OC of memory, which most do not do. All boards share lanes between PCIe and storage. Here it's the same, but with the Gigabyte board you have the option to have an additional 2 M.2 directly to the CPU, the ASRock does not.
@@drewnewby I’m going to buy X870 tomahawk anyway )) I also prefer avoid lane sharing with the gpu.
I'm a big fan of these X870/870E Gigabyte boards overall, Had great success with X570 Aorus Master board and B650i using right now for 7950X-3D mini itx. The other X870E board that interest me for the quality and feature set is the ASUS ProArt board.
Thanks Leo, was a good video. learned a good bit about the platform too. Who on earth thought that SNATCH was a good name for anything in the tech sector? hilarious
Thanks, appreciate it. And we're certainly not sure 😂
Thanks for a great review!
I am thinking of getting this motherboard or its "Pro" variant, as it has a bit better VRMs. The thing I don't really like is that if you use any of those Gen 5 m.2 slots, the primary slot drops down to x8 mode. That's plenty of bandwidth for the majority of graphics cards nowadays, especially the new ones that are about to come out, but it's something to keep in mind as a buyer.
Again, thanks for a great review!
Yeah its a good board, the VRMs are important, they seem pretty solid on this board.
Glad I could help!
I am planing to get a 5090 next year so that's actually a bit of a concern, are you saying if I ran a PCI 5 m.2 my 5090 has it's bandwidth slashed in half?
Does the PRO have the same issue?
@@deloford All gigabyte motherboards with x870e chipset function this way (yes, even the Master), but this only applies to two m.2 5.0 slots beneath the pcie x16 slot. Using the one above it will not affect the bandwidth.
When it came to current generation boards and GPUs on pcie gen 4, a 4090 saw almost no bottleneck when used in slots running in x8 mode. Since pcie gen 5 is double the bandwidth of gen 4, I doubt it will see any bottleneck when the primary slot is running in x8 mode.
I hope this helps.
got the msi x870 tomahawk. excited.
It’s nice they have added some vents into the rear Io panel but really that whole area needs a bit of a redesign. It’s very busy and congested with all those ports shoved into it nowadays.
you are the first person to put something up about this board that tells me what i need to know. Thank you! It should do well with a 9700x or a future 9800x3d and a ton of m.2 storage. I am curious however. For its aesthetics does it have rgb under the top IO cover where is says Aorus?
Glad I could help!
keep in mind that lane sharing of the GPUs x16 slot lane PCIE 5.0 is shared when using multiple PCIE 5.0 ssds.
Quote from the speficications page - " The M2B_CPU and M2C_CPU connectors share bandwidth with the PCIEX16 slot."
just get a x670e board if you dont need the higher lan spped / wifi 7 / usb 4.0 standard. everything else is pretty much the same or better on the x670e boards in my opinion. cheers
most of the x670e costs more than this board and the few that cost less only cost less by like £20 ish
Asrock nova is best no lane sharing and a cheap motherboard.
@@christopherramsay5517 but its asrock if you dont want that brand its sad, but i agree the nova is pretty nice on paper, cant talk about it further as i didnt use it before only read about it. cheers
@@teanymonster5227 one of few dont share lanes with pci-e slots. Price is cheaper than other boards.
This was a good board to review, its going to target a wide audience. When is the 9800X3D out? next week?
november 7th, in 2 days
Thursday
9:25 what happened to write on that GBT, looks like write and read were swapped
This man is a National Treasure.
high praise, I am sure Leo will be chuffed to read that
I believe you forgot to mention that the CPU socket has a reinforced backing plate, as well as the graphics card slot, I have this board and along with the pushbutton pcie release and the tool free drive access, with a 7900 XTX I really appreciate the extra rigidity of the reinforced slot.
I've tortured this board for a month or so and its stable as a rock....
I was gonna say the software wasn't up to date but while watching this video I see there is a new bios, control center and several other drivers I guess I'll update it as I don't see AI snatch anywhere hehe, it also has several spots on board including in back with rgb built into it......
Super Solid MB imho for the price!
Thanks for the feedback, was good to read. thank you.
@KitGuruTech i can confirm the new bios did then trigger gigabyte control center to update all drivers and install AI Snatch, it's working fluid n fast DDR5 6000 at EXPO 1 CL30...7900xtx and 9700x ( 7800x3d sold out), primary cached gen 5 system drive and backups in 2 and 4....all TB....working a mint !!!
For the price I don't think I could have chose better, I'll be using the USB 4 eventually!
I almost regret having just bought the MSI Carbon, but not quite. I may have a use for the PCIe x4 slot: a Blackmagic Decklink card. That aside there's not much in it.
What's wrong with the Carbon? What disadvantages over this one?
Gigabyte boards are great lately, very stable and perform well
Thanks. I've never spent over 200 USD on a board, but things are going that way with the midrange-premium motherboards.
Motherboard pricing has become a pathetic cesspool..
This board might even be considered budget by some, especially when the MSI Godlike and ASUS Maximus are priced between £700+. - £1300. Crazy prices in 2024
The only x870e board I needed was the Nova wifi and I bought it already. It's always sold out for a reason.
You are right but for me x870E Taichi Lite is the way to go and it will arrive soon.
I have the X670 aourus elite ax. Worth the upgrade? My fear is that for OC 9000 series cpu and fast memory my current mobo will not be stable?
That seems like a fair rating for a very good mid range board. The only board I had listed above it is the asrock gaming phantom nova 870e. Gives you pretty much everything the tachi has but at a cheaper price. I really like that the primary m.2 does not share lanes with the pcie1 16 slot for the gpu.
What is the bandwidth requirement of a 7000 MB/s NVME drive? Maybe it could run fine from a different slot. Problem solved.
I've had this board for 3 weeks and the only little complaint I have is the lane sharing and no clear cmos on the back. I've done some research, and it doesn't look like lowering the GPU bandwidth hurts too much if even at all for gaming. Looks like in most cases you might lose a couple of FPS which probably won't be noticeable. That being said, I have 3 of the M2 slots populated and everything has been smooth. 2 x gen 4 2tb and 1 4tb gen4 crucial.
Thanks for sharing
I just want something insane from Aorus for Ryzen like the Elite X Ice they did for Intel. That is by far my favorite looking motherboard.
The 2 pci-e slots may be basic but Gigabyte have at least fitted them, me I have a 10gbe and a capture card and it's extremely frustrating finding most motherboards have all their lanes allocated to m.2 slots.
Micro Center is offering a bundle w/ the 7950x3d, I've been wondering if it's worth pulling the trigger. I don't like how the PCIe x16 slot shares bandwith w/ two of the M.2 slots though, but I've read that supposedly it won't affect GPU performance much, but not sure what the reality is.
I bought that bundle a few weeks ago and haven't opened it yet. Trying to see if I should take it back based on the reviews of the 9800x3D. If that chip isn't much faster than the 7950x3D I'll keep it and start building.
@@Kwincy5 Careful, you may not be able to bring it back if it's been 15 days since you purchased, I believe I was told return policy for cpu and mobo is 15 days.
can't get over the gigabyte bios though, different opinion with you on that. The 2 PCIe slots, those are quite useful, for a NIC in the x4 pci4 slot, and a sound card in the other.
This is what I'm planning to use with a 9800X3D. Do I HAVE to update the BIOS before booting into windows? (I've got enough memory sticks round here that I'm losing track of as it is :P )
Hoping they release a similar speced matx board with B850 later this year. Wish the we'd get more POST troubleshooting LEDs (88-digit leds) on midrange boards.
Looked at their B650M Aurous Elite and I couldn't find even find a single LED for troubleshooting. That doesn't seem very elite, but maybe they like getting boards back as defect claims 😂
I went with the aorus pro ice x870e because it's by far the best looking white board on the market. And I'm not dumb enough to think 5.0 8x is really going to drop performance by more than 10-15 frames even on a 5090 if I want a few more SSD's.
Got a question re the USB4. The specs indicate "2 x USB4® USB Type-C® ports, supporting USB4 and DisplayPort video outputs and a maximum resolution of 3840x2160@240 Hz" Does that mean that one has to use a USB-C to DP adapter and a DP monitor rather than a USBC to HDMI adapter and a HDMI monitor??
Good review Leo - price point seems good, but last Gigabyte board I had was very poor, had a lot of hard locks. sent it back and got a ROG board, much better
Thanks for sharing
I have two M2 drives, where can I use them so that they do not limit the PCIe 5.0 bus for the graphics card?
Does USB4 works with thunderbolt 3 audio interfaces for studio? Cannot find any reliable data on internet. X870e does not have TB header on motherboard either like x670 had... Thanks for answering.
Good job Leo!
Love all those usb headers.
Decided to buy a new hardware: Core ULTRA z890 motherboard+CPU and use my existing, still very strong going PSU Corsair HX750i. Wattage is good enough but i'm worry if new hardware requires new generation PSU too (gen 3 vs gen 4)
Doesn’t this chipset support 5Gb Ethernet? Any real disadvantage sticking with 2.5?
Thanks for your wonderful work
How viable is the large heat sink for cooling two Gen5 NVMEs and one Gen4? I've seen that Gen5 can run really hot so I am concerned if the single heat spreader works for multiple drives.
Why dont they do mesh blanking plates for PCI slots to aid with cooling?
I am wondering about the In Out on the back where we use to have jacks for Sound, which seems to have changed, where there use to be different colored jacks for 5.1 audio, what is going on that these are now missing from the backs of many of the Mother boards.. I noticed that the asus Tuf board still has them, but most boards have gone away, what is the deal if you could let me know.. and or is there an audio interface which will allow someone to plug in their 5.1 jacks into it..
You didn't mention the function of the extra HDMI port. It's internal, so what is it for?
the aorus letters on the mobo light up?
I've been thinking about just getting a 670e for my next build, but the easy installation features for m.2s and the release button for the graphics card may push me the other way. I tend to slowly upgrade my systems over time so those things add value. The BIOS looks really good. I can take or leave the usb4 or wifi 7 though.
I am not liking the idea of the proprietary plugin Wi-Fi antenna. I replaced my stock one with one that was more stable than the cheap one that came with the motherboard and kept falling over. I was then also surprised by the stronger signal. This would only work for me if that plug could be adapted to another antenna.
Thanks Leo, would you look at some ASROCK boards? you guys never look at them and they are much better value than the big 3 in all areas
Stay tuned... We do have something coming up
@@KitGuruTech We would like a review of the X870E Nova if it's possible please 🙂 Plenty of reviews of the Taichi/Lite already.
Be interesting to know whether the 9800X3D would be able to extract more performance from the MSI Carbon
Is the board has some sort of rgb on it? Like you could tune it from its GCC app
Been looking at the Proart x870e which seems similar. Gues I need to do some more work on this for a 90000x
I can't get my M.2 sata to detect on this board. Have no problem with NVMe drives.
Did you try overclocking it how far could you push the memory etc?
This really is a great board - very well balanced and not compromised - just a small accessory pack with it. Are those VRMs any good ? how are they rated? I dont understand that side of things very well.
As for what to use in those bottom two PCIe slots… A 10 Gbps NIC is a hard requirement for me and the bottom slot is perfect for one.
benchmarking motherboards, nice job! Really wondering how the gigabyte and asus ai overclocking is gonna do
Hi! I bought the same motherboard. I was wondering where among the M.2 slots does 2280 ssd works? And also the wifi doesn't work even i downloaded driver for it. Tysm!!!
I got the X870E Aorus Pro Ice. Seems like it's basically this board for the most part, just white. Yes, or am I missing something?
Hi, can I please have the name of the test bench, I like the idea of having the psu underneath.
Thanks
I see that these motherboards say they support 5.1 and 7.1 audio, but the motherboard only has a Line Out and a Mic 3.5 jack in the back. How is the multi channel audio accessed?
Likely via Toslink to an external DAC.
Dont like that control centre software at all but it’s neat it updated the graphics card firmware.
How many M.2 SSD Nvme can fit in this motherboard without dropping down the GPS from 16 to 8, also can I use Gen 4 M.2 SSD in all the slots instead of Gen 5 as the Gen 4 would be cheaper to use.
Can someone explain in TECHNICAL TERMS
The differences between
Gigabyte X870E Aorus PRO and
Gigabyte X870E AORUS ELITE
The price of the first one is 80-90€ for what exactly
According to the specifications on the website of Gigabyte the PCIE 16 gen 5.0 slot shares lanes with the M.2 ssd's. So yeah....
Yeah, but you can put one PCIe Gen 5 in that gets lanes from the CPU and one Gen 4 that gets its lanes from the chipset and you won't hit the top PCIe slot - so you'll still get the full x16 for your graphics card. This is an issue for all the X870e motherboards, not just Gigabyte.
@@CRF-2013 I meant the sharing of the PCIe16 5.0 lanes with M.2 SSD. True, not only Gigabyte shares PCIe lanes when M.2 SSD is installed. As far as I know the ASRock X870E Taichi ( and the lite one) has one M.2 which gets 4 lanes PCIe 5.0 without sharing lanes from the PCIe 16 Graphicscard slot. But then again 8 lanes of the PCIe_1 (16 gen 5.0) slot will be shared once the PCIe_2 gets occupied as well. As far as I know now only ASRock Taichi boards do not share PCIE_1 5.0 lanes with PCIE M.2 SSD.
Is this a bad thing to share lanes? Which mobo did you end up going with? I'm currently researching.
@@Boofatcha Relatively a bad thing. But PCIe 5.0- will be the next standard, so the graphic cards developers will also be on the 5.0 PCIe platform.
I ended up buying an ASRock Taichi X870E motherboard. The first M.2 SSD is PCIe 5.0 without sharing any of the 16 lanes of the PCIe_1 5.0. As far as i know none of the ASRock X870E motherboards share lanes of the5.0 PCIe_1 x16. This chipset and CPU of the Taichi have 24 5.0 PCIe lanes, PCIe_1 x16 for the graphics card, which leaves 8 5.0 PCIe lanes to share. Four of them go to the M.2_1 drive the other four to USB 4.0, I believe.
Sharing PCIe 5.0 lanes is a waste of PCIe lanes as far as speed is concerned. The M.2_1 drive on my MB is really 'blazing fast'. Because it doesn't share lanes with the 5.0 PCIe_1 x16 (graphic card slot).
Goodluck with your queeste.
@@Boofatcha probably overblown
Can you please revisit b650 or X760 boards woth 9000 series cpu
I was looking at the MSI X870 Tomahawk, which has 5G LAN. I only plan to use 2x m.2 4.0 SSDs, so there should be no lane problems. But I didn’t know mainboards would perform differently in benchmarks. How do the Gigabyte compare to the MSI? The price is very similar.
lookup the Hardware Unboxed 870 roundup. It does quite well (spoiler alert).
Asrock has a great lineup as well
Yeah I want to see Leo with ASROCK boards for a change
We will be looking at some shortly, fingers crossed !
I got one of those by default, my ASUS TUF B650 WiFi board died after 8 months, ongoing issue with ASUS. I decided I had enough of ASUS, so I decided to jump ship with Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite WiFi7. Really nice, lots of features and temperatures on the CPU also greatly reduced. The price is not that much more than regular B650 main board. I have the RealTek version. Thumbs up from me :)
Glad to hear it!
Hey, KitGUru, where i can find pc stand exactly as yours?
Good review thanks ❤
You’re welcome 😊
why the hack the algo didnt show me yr channel before??? But thx i found it. thx ffor the video. Whats abaout the 3 M2 ? did they grab some lanes frome the GPU? :-)
still waiting on any new 870 mb to have backside connectors and to be as white as possible for a clean build... anything else would look out of place in my white Light Base 600LX...
I wonder if MSI released bios update since you tested this MB?
I'm new to M.2 tech, will be getting this board ....does the board come w/ M.2 standoffs...these already installed on the board?
You all should do the Asrock nova 870 e mobo, gskill memory, 7900xt video crucial memory?
We hope to look at that board soon
What is the difference between X870 vs X870E?
I just went with the MSI X870 P with 64GB of 6400 RAM for the upcoming 9800X3D.
Are there any matx boards on the way?
And yet, usualy 670 series frim Gigabyte had problems with bios and ddr stability. Does the new 870 series suffers the same? This is the only question that deserves an answer.
I've not had particularly good luck with Gigabyte products outside of mobo's, though from what I was looking at a few months ago on the E variants, this actually looks pretty reasonable versus everything else. At least two usable PCIe full x16 slots, lots of NVME lanes and a respectable backplate.
ADD: For those of us running 5300RPM fans, yes, SATA slots do come in handy. 😁 As much as a bother as they are, nvme drives over 4tb aren't particularly plentiful or affordable, so mass storage still defaults to HDDs too.
Thanks for sharing
This board isnt that good, using more than 2 m.2 slots cuts the pciex16 to x8... x670 is better if you dont need usb4.
Quite a few years back (think decades ago) Gigabyte had real quality problems with their motherboards. I can't remember the year, but they took up the issue at a management meeting and was seriously considering ditching the motherboards entirely as the RMA costs made them lose money on every sold MB. They decided to give it one last chance and this time the quality was supposed to be the primary when deciding on construction and choosing make and model of components rather than always go with the cheapest option. This was way before they "invented" the Aurous name, I would say it was more than a decade ago perhaps two. But the change was immediate. The motherboards they released after that cut down on the RMS cost by a lot, and suddenly they were making money on selling motherboards instead of losing money. AFAIK they've kept making decent motherboards since, instead of cutting corners until they fail often enough to cost them more money for the warranty replacements than they make selling them.
All in all this doesn't really matter for customers today. I just think it's pretty interesting to know that once they were doing so bad that they were considering ditching the motherboard business.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 That sounds very accurate to my experience with the last GPU I got from them, back in the 280x era. While it never blew up like their power supply woes not too long ago, it overheated even with minimal tasks and would regularly self-destruct into Errorville in games. Between the 280x issue and their QA dipping lower on other product lines, I have been leery to pick up function-centric products from them, though I have eyeballed their TR40 boards numerous times. Good to know the effort is being made to improve!
@@RainOrbs Yeah, I've run into the m.2 downrating other lanes issue before, which was a particular draw to this generation of motherboard that was supposed to fix that (the X870E variants specifically). I've mostly decided to go X670E for half the price depending on the next variants of the X3D chips if the higher core counts (9900 or 9950s) get dual vcache allotments, otherwise the only other x870E boards that work for me are in the $500 range, which is just absurd to get bracketed into that segment for two features.
I have X870 model, without ''E''. Is there any difference beetwen theses mobos?
On paper they looks identical so concentrate on the features offered by your specific motherboard and all should be well.
Leo