Wooden posts for a shade sail? Don't even think about it!
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- Shazeebo Shade Sails aren't like anything you'll find from a big box retail store. They are commercial-grade, high-quality sails made with marine-grade, stainless steel hardware. The pulling pressure a cable-tensioned sail exerts is much stronger than something hung up loosely with a bit of rope. In this video, we explain why you always want to go with steel posts for your shade sails. Especially if a storm is coming your way...
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Yeah, 4x4 wood vs 8x8 steel...yeah steel is going to win every time. Most of us can't source or afford 8x8 steel posts for our patio...even if we wanted to.
8x8 steel posts are likely too much for a normal patio or backyard sail. We recommend a smaller 4x4 steel post for most residential jobs.
@@SHAZEEBOShadeSails what wall guage?
I used to 4 by 4 aluminium posts 12' in length
@@Bward216 Schedule 40 thickness (.25" if it's a square post)
Where do you get these posts and how much ?
Width of post depends on shade size. If all you are supporting is a 10 by 10 shade then you dont need bridge supporting steel posts.
I used wooden posts but also used ratchet straps to a ground spike to prevent the wood from bending. Works great, costs quite a bit with wood prices and all the ratchets, but it is very solid. I like the steel beams a lot! When I replace these in a few years definitely going to look into it thank you!
yep, a guy wire is triangulation, without it it's just a vertical cantilever.
Okay so I'm hearing not just to put the wooden post in the ground but use a ratchet strap to pull the wooden post down to a big ground Spike like they do with telephone poles?
I have a 13x19 sail. Been up for 8 years with two 12 ft 6x6 40 inches down and the other side anchored to my house. No issues at all with the posts. Angling a few degrees out prob would help but i did not do that bc it looked odd.
about to install one... do u think it even matters about angling out, considering the tensioning should take care of it?
BEAUTIFUL !!
I think I could use even skinnier wood if I just secure them leaning towards each corner of the sail and trim the sail thight with cables to the ground from each corner. Steel would be stronger, but it can rust, it is way too heavy, difficult to work with and more expensive. I will post a video about my pontoon raft shade sail assemply soon!
wow. Huge difference. I don't think I was planning on using wooden posts, but definitely wouldn't use that now. haha
Glad we could help!
Question for the budgeted situation: A movable large sunshades at low attitude (like 4-5 feet) at no wind/rain, which one fares better?
1) Redwood fence post in cement in 5 gallon buckets (whole bucket can thus movable by dolly in winter, and don’t need to worry about extreme weather rain, frost, or snow), or
2) U post fence anchored 2 feet in clay soil?
In both situations and shades will be used only 3-4 months of the year and store away from the element otherwise.
Thanks for the input.
Thanks for your question! We are not familiar with your project site and we are not engineers, if you have any concerns you should reach out to a local engineer or contractor.
There are a lot of factors to consider when installing your shade sails. How big are the sails you are installing? Will you be using cable tensioned sails and corner hardware like turnbuckles or are you using rope? Will your sails be fully tensioned (very tight, no sag) or do you plan to have some drop in your sail? How thick and how tall is your redwood fence post?
A fully tensioned sail using a cable perimeter and turnbuckles can pull 200 lbs of pressure at rest and up to 2,000 lbs or more in a storm.
Between the two options you have suggested, the redwood fence is probably better, but this all depends on the thickness of the post, the height of the posy, and the size and number of sails.
We wish you the best of luck with your project!
Feel free to give us a call if you'd like to discuss this further, 760-818-3291.
I made the same mistake, but i will remedy it by reinforcing the top with a metal frame to keep it from bowing
In a high wind storm any sail is going to flap around vigorously because, well because it is a sail. Given the cost of steel beams, if you are willing spend that, why not just build yourself a pergola and secure its posts to the ground and avoid the whole storm/wind issue?
You're right a Pergola could be a great option, especially if you live in a very windy area! Or you might prefer a shade sail that can be taken down seasonally, usually provides more shade than a pergola, and is not made of wood and thus not subject to termite damage. Whether you want a pergola, a shade sail, or several large trees, it's great to have a variety of options when designing your backyard oasis!
With 12 to15 feet of wood sticking out yeah I’d imagine it’d warp sail or no sail
I've seen copper log posts used and they looked perfectly fine after years of use. Copper logs are stronger than sawn timber, yet no one mentions it. Shade sails are huge here in Australia, very common, and I've seen them with thick strong Copper log posts. Also we don't get a lot of rain so the timber isn't repeatedly getting water logged and drying out. I think location and environment are very important factors to consider.
I agree! Location, environment, size of the sails, and what resources are available to you are all important factors when planning and installing your posts. The location for the sails in this video doesn't get a lot of rain, but it is on the coast and next to a lagoon, so water was still a factor in weakening the posts. The wooden posts used here were indeed pressure treated and I believe 8"x8", and yet they still failed. If the sails had been smaller, the posts might have worked just fine.
Thanks. I was originally looking at steel or aluminum poles. Then read about “well you SHOULD USE at least 6” x 6” pressure treated”… Now I’m back to steel. FYI “THEY” say you should angle the poles away.
Yes! You should angle your posts away! The rule of thumb is to angle them about 5 degrees (or half a bubble) outwards.
Did not know!! Thank you!!
Yeah I used 4x6 post and angle iron steel at each corner , has never failed. and a lot more cost effective than all steel posts.
Bet the post were installed perfectly vertical rather than on an angle. Wooden posts should be sloped 20 degrees away from tension and metal poles 10 degrees.
Yes, that was likely the case. We always recommend that you tilt your posts outwards, shade sails pull really hard on those posts!
Great video. I bought a 10x16 sun shade for my above-ground pool. Attaching one side to my workshop and was going to use aluminum (based on a local steel shop recommendation) for the other side. What size and thickness do you recommend considering these summer storms on the east coast of Florida?
Hi Troy, we typically work with steel posts. For the steel, we go with a 4" minimum diameter and the rule of thumb is schedule 40 (or about a 1/4") thickness.
Use utility poles with down guy anchors
Great info and thanks for sharing and educating everyone. I'm debating weather to go with a Costco gazebo or to install steel posts with sails? Any recommendation? It's for my 14ft x 24ft concrete backyard
Hi Robert! We're so glad you like our videos! I'm inclined to recommend shade sails of course, but the reality is that it will depend upon the area that you have to work with in your yard. You mention that you have a concrete backyard. If this area is entirely concrete, it will be difficult to put in posts for your shade sail. You would need to cut a hole into your concrete, so that you could dig your 2' wide by at least 3' deep hole for your footer. If you would like to send us pictures of your yard and what you are thinking about for your project, we'd be happy to give you some recommendations. If shade sails are the right way to go, then we'd be happy to provide those for you too! You can email us at info@shazeebo.com.
I love Costco, but I would not recommend those "solid wood" gazebos. The "wood" seems to be sawdust and glue. Do a little test with your thumb nail next time you're in there, you'll get a deep scratch with no effort.
No, it's all relative to the size and weight of the project. Wood posts are fine for the right application.
4x6 post work great .
You get a thumbs up for your user name Mr. Plissken! And also, yes, a 4x6 post could work well. A wooden post can be effective if the sails are small and don't put too much tension on the post.
I used a 4x6 on my sail and it now looks like a fishing pole with a large bass on the end of it! Wish these guys were local!
Oh no! I'm sorry to hear that! If you'd like to email us and let us know where you are located, we may have a reliable installer or contact in your area. We know a lot of people in the industry! info@shazeebo.com
are you using 4 inches post? i have 6x6 inches and solid like a rock, also is water ground treated
Hi Hernan, the wooden posts that were installed before we arrived were 6" x 6", I believe they were pressure treated. The area is a lagoon reserve and sanctuary, so a lot of water in the area.
@@SHAZEEBOShadeSails i live un south florida , lake front , of course stainless steel post are going to last forever but the wood ones are cheaper and easy to found in Home Depot , they last many many years
Well, I was just trying to figure out how to install poles to support a shade to provide shade for a car... Now I have to figure out where to get steal poles and how to secure them to the ground
We have a design section on our website that helps answer some of your post install and other design questions. Check it out! www.shazeebo.com/designyourproject
Depends on how long you want it, and how substantial. I'm using 4x4 wooden posts for mine, but I don't need mine to last for years and years, it'll just take the sail down for any big storms we have, which isn't often.
Usually, you have to dry out the posts before setting them. That way, they dont bend as they dry out... and 6x6 wood would be ok... just dry it out first.
Great Video. You definitely need a 5" wide (not less - so don't bother using a 4" inch), Carbon Steel (at least Schedule 40), is FAR SUPERIOR to wood posts. You can also get a Schedule 60, or 80 for the best rigidity and sturdiness. Also, when it comes to installing these types of posts, make sure that for every 12" inches (above ground), you have the post go in the ground every 6" inches. Example: 8' Feet high (Carbon Steel Schedule 40, 60 or 80) post, that you have it in the ground 4' Feet deep. No need to go any deeper than 5' Feet (if the post is 11' to 13' high). Make sure that hole (that the post in going in), is 18" wide for that 5" wide post. Lastly, make sure that it's 5 to 10 degrees angled out (away from), where the mounts of where the Shade Sail D Rings will be attached to. Hope this all makes sense. Again, thanks for the great video!
So tilt the poles outward from the opposite side of sail hardware attachment and pull after sail attachment
@@kiloanderson3589 Yes. Make sure that the posts are 5 to 10° tilted outward. Then after the cement dries (which I would give a full 48 hours), then I would attach the shade sail.
Thanks for the great comment Punk Nugget! You really know your stuff!
@@SHAZEEBOShadeSails Well it’s because of videos like yours and the help that I have received through your employees that work for you, that’s part of the reason why I was able to understand this the way I have. Thanks again for your reply! I’m looking forward to getting my shade sail here within the next week, so I can finally install it.
I can't find these type steel post anywhere. I found stainless steel round ones that are about 2-3" diameter. I think I'll just forget about a sail since it's don't use this, use this but then you can't find what is needed or info that is consistant.
What was the specs on the posts you used? 8x8 I see. What is the well thickness on them and how tall can you go with them?
Hi Indy, I believe this post was a 1/4 " thickness. Height will depend on what you need, the soil type, and how deep/wide you can make the footer. If you'd like to discuss your specific project, feel free to give our office a call! 760-603-3269
Would 12’ round aluminum fence posts be adequate for a triangular sail that’s about 10’ on each side. Steel posts are just so expensive but I. Want to stay away from wood for the longevity. Ty
In addition to the diameter of the post, you also need to consider the posts' wall thickness. We usually recommend schedule 40, which is about a 1/4" thick. How thick is the wall of the aluminum post? A 10' x 10' triangle shade sail isn't very big. You may be able to get away with using an aluminum post instead of steel, but can you find an aluminum post that is thick enough and has a big enough diameter? Are you using steel cable to tension your shade sail, or is it a small sail with a webbing edge?
I used 2” pvc pipe and it worked great until we had a big storm. I had my dog, Fester, tied to a u-Bolt in the pvc and the wind hit that sail and sent him skyward. Luckily we recovered Fester on my neighbor’s roof. The fire department got him down for us. I’m going to try 3” pipe this go round. And I’m not going to chain Fester up during storms no longer. What are your thoughts on PVC?
I'm sure glad little Fester is ok! Sounds like Fester and Toto could share their stories over the water dish sometime.
PVC pipe is still pretty bendy. As you have recently experienced, shade sails catch the wind much like sails on a sailboat, so attachment points must be very strong. The fabric can handle the winds, but often times if there is a failure it's because of a bracket coming out of the wall or a post tipping in. We exclusively use steel posts with a minimum 4" diameter for our installations. Even steel can be bent if it's not the right size or if the footer isn't deep enough.
@@SHAZEEBOShadeSails you’re AWESOME! I’m going to go with steel for now on. The firemen seemed annoyed at me having to retrieve Fester during that tornado. But I sure as hell wasn’t getting up on that roof unless I was wearing steel mesh. Fester is a biter when he’s nervous and that brief flight he took made him a bit jittery.
Anyway, I love your vids. Please keep them coming. 🙏😊 🐶
We're so glad you love our videos!
Have you considered a dog parachute for the next tornado? Maybe we should be making those instead of shade sails!
@@SHAZEEBOShadeSails Consider permeable sun shades. They allow wind and some sun to come through. Definitely not as cool temp wise but they are less dangerous than a sail. Size of the sail determines how much stress/force each will produce. I take down my sails during Santa Ana wind conditions here in Kalifornia. Safety concerns and saves wear and tear. I do not use turnbuckles, cannot stand them (read: I am bad at measurements LOL). I use tensioners and paracord and/or tarred bankline.
You had your dog tied down during a storm, to a sun sail no less, and he got launched onto your neighbor's roof?
Wow, dog owner of the year.
As a blanket statement I would not agree. BUT, if we are talking commercial large applications where there are not guys possible (not needed in most smaller situations), that's another story! In that case, you not only need steel (or a telephone pole!), but you need to properly anchor it into the ground and sometimes guy it.
When you are dealing with the public (playgrounds, etc.) one would want engineers to spec it out because you don't want wood or steel poles falling on anyone!
I'm fairly certain computer programs or simple calc can determine the load and the bending.
In my case, a 10x12 attached to a house at one end and to 4x4 angled outward properly (using pulleys and cam cleats to tighten) at the far end works very well. Very few homeowners are going to spend the many 100's of dollars for the proper steel posts AND the money and time to property set them.
That's the beauty of custom made shade sails, every project is unique! We install commercial grade, custom made shade sails with marine-grade hardware, stainless steel cable, and a 10-15 year warranty. Our sails are a little too strong to be properly supported by wooden posts, but wooden posts may work just fine for a standard sail purchased online. We love shade sails, and want everybody to be able to enjoy them. So whether you DIY a project or hire us to design and install, we hope you enjoy your shade sails!
Great content. Do you know where I can find such metal posts?
Hi Anu Ekunwe, sorry for the delayed response. We source our steel posts from local metal and fence suppliers.
@@SHAZEEBOShadeSails thank you. I’ll look around here then. I appreciate the response.
@@SHAZEEBOShadeSails throught so.
So, could one reinforce the wood in some way? Add steel plates to it or something?
Yes I'm going to use 4x4 wooden posts for mine, and just use a steel bracket sunk into a small concrete base. If you take the sail down during a storm, which I would anyway, no biggie. And you can get some stuff to treat the outside of the wood so the sun and rain won't hurt it so bad. Plus if your pole isn't too tall, it's pretty inexpensive to replace.
Any reinforcement will help, however, what happens with wood is that as it gets wet from rain and then dries out again, the wood expands and contracts. This will cause the wood to bend inwards under the pull of the shade sail. The wood will bend and then your sail will sag. Hopefully, the wood doesn't break. Keep in mind, we are referring to our commercial-grade sails that are under a good deal of tension from the steel cable in the perimeter of the sail, not a basic sail from a big box store that is loosely attached with some rope.
@@SHAZEEBOShadeSails I have a question though, I saw another comment from someone here saying It should be at least schedule 40 steel, how much would that weigh, say 8 ft tall? Because I'll need a base for it without drilling into my concrete.
That's a great question! Weights can vary. I would check with your local metal supply where you will get the post from to determine the weight of the post you will be using.
Who put the park or whatever right underneath the major highline power run? There's been all kinds of studies that show how bad it is to spend extended time underneath that amount of power overhead. Second of all, it doesn't look like the wood was treated properly and that it is rotten wood that made the post break. I'm researching about installing some of these in my pastures, so I'm not an expert. Of course we would all rather have metal post for everything if we could afford it but they're super expensive on a big scale.
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How much would a two pole residential job cost for. 20x16 shade? Trying to gauge prices on the east coast.
The average residential job can be about $5,000 - $10,000. Our sails are $8 a square foot, including cable and hardware. For example, a 20 x 16 ft 4-point sail would be roughly $2,560 plus tax. Installation averages $1,000 per post ($1,600 per extra-large post) and $200 per bracket. Installation of 2 posts and 2 standard posts is $2,400.
Is the post secured to a bracket on a concrete footer? Or is it inbeded in concrete?
@@Bward216 It is embedded in the concrete.
@@SHAZEEBOShadeSails LOL. Insane. You charge $1000 PER POST to install!!!! Are they made of GOLD? What a rip off! $200 per bracket???!!!!!!!
@@xsteel3292 if you would like to install the posts and brackets yourself, we would be happy to help guide you through the process! Check out this video for a DIY post install th-cam.com/video/o7h1dq-hbrQ/w-d-xo.html
Where can you get the steel posts? I have looked everywhere.
Hi Mary, we source our steel posts from local metal or fence suppliers. Some places will also powder coat them for you.
YEAH !
What is the smallest steel pole that you guys recommend?
The recommended minimum is a 4" diameter steel post, with schedule 40 thickness. If you have a specific project you'd like to go over, we'd be happy to help. Feel free to give our office a call Monday through Friday between 8 am and 4 pm PST. 760-603-3269
What about cheaper round steel pipe? 4 or 6” round pipe? More available and cheaper than square!
Hi Bill, great question! Yes, you can totally go with round! We like square because it's easier to transport on the truck and of course we buy it in bulk to bring down the cost. For most projects, round posts is a great way to go. We recommend a schedule 40 thickness, minimum 4" diameter for round posts.
I don't know, i have 4x4 12 footers in the round and i'm 275lbs on a ladder leaning on it at 10 ft and feel no give and i went and checked it due to your video and it seems to be you tube diy failure, i've been an engineer for 35 yrs, and good wood is used everywhere in place of steel.
We're happy that your wooden posts are working out for you. There are many different factors that come into play when deciding what kind of post is right for your situation. A wooden post may work just fine if your sail isn't too big, isn't under strong tension via stainless steel cable and hardware, or you live in a dry area. The sails in this video are very large and use stainless steel cable around the perimeter of each sail (as do all of our custom shade sails) to properly tension the sails. They are also right next to a lagoon and see a lot of moisture in the air. Shade sails like ours pull 200 lbs of pressure at each corner when the sail is at rest. In a storm, this can reach 2,000 lbs of pressure. So, given the application, steel is the best choice here.
Why do those rocks need a shade sail?
You proved it. Sold. Now where can someone buy a steel pole?
Hi Russ, sorry for the delayed response! Local metal and fence suppliers are a great place to find steel posts!
Did you find some? How much $?
@@kbanghart Nope. Went with 2" steel conduit from electrical dept. Filled with concrete to make stronger.
@@russbaker7974 Nice, what kind of base, how wide of a base I guess? Did you drill into concrete?
@@kbanghart I cut a 2" pipe and sunk it 3' into the ground and poured concrete around it and the end is 1" above ground. Then I made a sleeve with 6' x 1 1/2" pipe and inserted it into this pipe in the ground with 3' above ground and slid my 2" pipe over this. The idea is I can remove the poles in winter. So far so good. The inner sleeve pipes are filled with concrete for added strength.
Well hes right
How much would you charge on a 14x20? I don’t want to under quote a client
Hi Angel, please give our office a call to discuss pricing. We're happy to help. 760-603-3269
Where can you find steel posts as suggested in your video?
Hi M&K House, sorry for the delayed response! You can find steel posts at your local metal or fence supply company.
I used 4 by 4 aluminium posts
Aluminum isn't as strong as steel, but it may work just fine for a smaller sail. Each shade sail project is different and has different needs. Something that works for one project may not work for another.
Great information on this Video but please Re-Do video with better audio quality. Thank you for sharing.
We're so glad you liked our video! We are working to improve our audio quality on upcoming videos and we have since purchased better microphones. We also make sure all our videos have accurate closed caption subtitles. If you have any questions about anything from the video, please feel free to reach out. Thanks for watching!
this looks exactly like san diego
It is! The Agua Hedionda Lagoon Foundation is in Carlsbad, CA, part of North County San Diego.
i would love to use metal but at 80 $ for one i got 4 4x4 at 80 for all four, i get what he is saying but $ talks and .....well you know the rest well time to install some shade
Forget that 30 dollar treated lumber … get yourself some beefy steel post for roughly 1k each 🤪
It's all about using the right tool for the job. A wooden post will likely work pretty well for a small sail from a big box store. If you're going with a large, custom made, commercial grade sail with a 10-year warranty, and stainless steel marine-grade hardware, you'll probably want a stronger post to properly support that sail so it doesn't come crashing down in a storm, as evidenced in the video. You wouldn't put bicycle tires on a Ferrari, would you?
@@SHAZEEBOShadeSails for commercial properties with huge budgets it makes sense .. but imagine having steel post on a sail pergola/gazeebo behind a 2x4 stick build house 🤣
Why steel (which rusts or has to be painted) vs. aluminum?
Hi Fred, great question! In our experience, aluminum will bend under the pressure of the sail. You can get galvanized steel and not have to worry about rust or having to paint the post. The thickness and diameter of the steel are the key factors to avoid bending. The rule of thumb is schedule 40 thickness and a minimum of 4" in diameter.
@@SHAZEEBOShadeSails Even for 10x10 or 10x12 home use above a deck? 2 corners will most likely be anchored to the house in some way.
Hi Fred, it depends on the kind of sail you get. If you're using a ready-made sail from a big box store you will probably be fine with the aluminum since the sail won't have cable to pull it tight. If you're using a sail like ours, with stainless steel cable and hardware, it's going to put a lot more pressure on those posts, even at that smaller size.
With large aluminum post the cost of 24x7 security guard becomes overbearing . Aluminum is 1/2 the weight with twice the cost of steel! Also much easier to cut with less noise in the middle of the night!
@@billjones5178 Funny. Because of my yard, either metal, it appears, is much too expensive for my small 10x10 deck. The yard tilts downward from the house towards the yard and the deck is raised ( about 6'6" at the yard side).
I can mount one corner of the sail to the house, but the other corner on the house side will need a post. That would need to be about 11', but the 2 yard poles would need to be about 12' and 15' for the parabolic design. And that doesn't include if instead of a bottom plate, the pole would have to be stuck in 3' of concrete, or the little extra I need because of tilting the posts out.
You could build brick or concrete pier (pillar? Column?) cheaper. But I don't want 2 huge square columns sticking and then still have to have poles, just a few feet less in length. The cost for simple metal poles makes no sense to me.
Too bad you guys don't live in my area.
Corten steel okay to use???
Good morning Josh, you should be able to use corten steel for your posts.
True that...my 4x4's bent
Oh no! We're sorry to hear that!
Where did you find your poles?
Hi Mary, we source our posts from local metal and fence suppliers. For round posts, the rule of thumb is schedule-40 steel at least 4" in diameter. Feel free to give us a call if you have more questions! 760-603-3269
Where do you get steel posts?
Hi Drew, a local metal or fencing supply company should be able to get you what you need. For round posts, the rule of thumb is schedule 40 thickness, minimum 4" diameter, galvanized unless you plan to have the post powder coated. Let us know if you have any other questions about your posts!
Where do i buy these steel 8x8 posts from?
Hi Big C, sorry for the delayed response. Steel posts can be found at your local metal or fence supplier.
How much is to install!?
Hi Kapi! We'd love to give you a quote for your project, please call our office at 760-818-3291 to discuss your shade project and get a rough quote over the phone. Check out our website for more information. www.shazeebo.com
Made your point five minutes ago bro...
So wood = bad, steel = good? Give me a break, you just need to understand the strengths and weaknesses of the material you are using. Perhaps those ~10' to 12' high 6x6 posts were inadequate for that project, but that doesn't discount their use elsewhere. It's sounds to be that the size of the post was the problem, of course an 8x8 HSS is going to be stiffer and stronger, a wood 8x8 also probably would have been just fine as well.
Yes, understanding the strengths of the sail you are attaching is crucial. Our sails have a marine-grade, stainless steel perimeter cable used to tension the sail and when pulled tight can pull anywhere from 200 lbs of pressure at rest to 2,000 lbs of pressure in high winds. A basic sail from a big box store that can be attached with a piece of rope will be just fine with wooden posts.
@@SHAZEEBOShadeSails You should sell the post that are needed with your sails. That's the issue I have is that steel post for the average consumer are hard to find unless you pay $1000, which is ridiculous. Those are huge sails though in the video.
@@xsteel3292 We would love to sell the posts and the shade sails together, but shipping such a large post would be quite expensive. If you are looking to DIY a project it's far cheaper to order the shade sail by itself from us, and then source the posts locally. Most residential projects are good with a smaller 4" diameter, schedule 40 post. If you'd like some tips on how to install a post yourself, check out our DIY video th-cam.com/video/o7h1dq-hbrQ/w-d-xo.html.
Why not angle the posts away. They don't all have to be vertical.
We do! During the installation of the posts, we angle them away from the sail about 5 degrees. When the sail is installed, the pulling pressure from the sail brings them upright. For a more dramatic look, you can exaggerate the tilt.
If i could afford to use 8x8 steel poles i would just extend my roofline to cover the patio.😒
Good morning miss understood! You may have noticed in the video that these shade sails are very large and for a commercial application. Larger projects require bigger posts, but the average residential project is perfectly fine with a 4"x4" steel post! No need for the larger 8" posts unless you're going for a large industrial look in your back yard! Of course, shade sails may not be right for everybody. Pergolas, Umbrellas, or Awnings can be great shade options too! Plenty of customers have a lot of success with cheaper shade sails from Costco or Amazon and since those sails don't come with stainless steel cable and hardware, you can usually get away with using wooden posts for those kinds of sails.
all that sail and no shade
I had to stop breathing during the video.
Sorry inaudible
What is the cost of one steel post?
Yea...
Wood works ‘good’ enough.
LOL! Enjoy that bending (warping) inward within 18 to 24 months (and you having to constantly tightening it and making it worse), then finally collapsing after 4 to 6 years later. Spend the $200 to $300+ per post (from any steel company where you live) and save the headaches. Then you can enjoy it for many years to come and will be a great selling point, once you decide to sell your home.
@@punknugget561 do the metal poles need to be planted in the ground with cement ..? Say 2 10' and two 12' post for a angle to the sale
@@punknugget561 these wooden posts are $25 each. With that kind of distance from home - that wouldn't damage anything else, I would stick to the wooden posts..! Just keep an eye after a big rain or wind.
@@rrsruji1398 It's not my house. At the end of the day that's on you. You get what you pay for. $25 posts that will need to be replaced after a few years with all that new cementing and whatnot, as opposed to doing it right the first time and not ever having to worry about for decades to come...
@@punknugget561 Not a big problem for me, I plan on moving out of my house in a couple years anyway, and a wood post replacement won't be that much, mine will only be 8 ft tall. And I'll have small concrete bases for them, simple. And I'm in California where we don't have too many storms, so I'll just take the sail down before we have a big one. Some treatment for the posts to keep the rain out.
Yeah, i dont want the twin towers in my garden. Why not go for 3ft x 3ft Steel posts just to make sure?
Please carry your mask for the rest of your life. Safety first of course
I
Made this
Mistake unfortunately
So wood no good.. I need a shade for one of my cars.
@@kiloanderson3589 wood bends over time , sure at first it's great but the sails being under constant tension the next weakest link is the wood and it will slowly but surely start bending (warping ) the wood . Def don't make the same
Mistake as I did go heavy duty metal with a guide wire first in my
Opinion
i dont make the money this yuppi has no i like my tree logs
Masks outside!!!😂😂😂😂😂
Nice video, but loose the masks.