Install Sail Shades Like a Pro
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Just wanted to leave a comment that I spent 2 months researching the best way to put up large sail in my garden and this is without a doubt the best. The references for where to put posts and the hardware were fantastic. Super concise and helpful as well.
Glad you liked the video!!!
@@danrockwell1883 do you know who i am?
Very nice.. love it..
I was gonna do the same, months of research. However I didn’t know the same of “sail shades”. After seeing this comment & this video I’m super confident. Thank you both.
@@danrockwell1883how about putting a 2x6 in those big planters with concrete. Do you think that would be strong enough?
Do I have back yard? No.
Do I need sail shade? No.
Still enjoyed the whole video and learned some useful stuff.
Well I’m glad you like the content! Working on my bathroom remodel, will have several videos coming soon
Quick, concise, to the point, and informative, all with no silly intro, no obnoxious background music, or inane special effects. Plus, you made me feel stupid, too. I know all about turnbuckles. Used them for fences a hundred times. Never dawned on me to use them like this. Coupled with some springs to protect the sail if it gets gusty… dare I say genius? You found a new sub. Don’t change your format, just hit us with the knowledge.
Really appreciate the comment! I don’t have the most entertaining personality so I can’t have too much fluff haha
Awesome comments. My sentiments exactly! When a video starts out like Martha Stewart Living I scroll.
@@danrockwell1883 what company did you go through to purchase your set up? Do they help you plan what you need?
So im just going to throw something at the interwebs and face the consequences. I put up shade sails in the back yard for a graduation party and expected to take them down after a season. Did it on the cheap and this is what I learned.
Four by fours, while not the best are actually a pretty good option for posts if done correctly. They will bow towards the sails after awhile because of the tension but its not the end of the world. If you angle the posts away from the sails to about two or three feet between the sail clip ends and the posts you should have plenty of room for bowing. It actually looks nice and and there is a good reason to do this. Seal and stain the posts before sinking them. They will last a good while and being free standing, not a big deal to replace if need be. mine have been in the ground for four years now and im having no problems. We were going to take the shades down after the season but kept them up because we liked them.
I didnt buy special hardware for the sails. I did buy inexpensive boat winches from amazon. I connected the winches about chest high on the posts, ran the straps through an I bolt at the top of the posts, clipped the end of the winch strap to the shade sail corners, and cranked tension when needed. When storms came in the shades were down in five minutes and back up even faster when they passed. That is I took them down when I thought about it, sometimes. These things take a beating and I'm continuously surprised by they're resilience. The great thing about the boat winches is that you can always adjust the tension to keep rhe sails taught.
Because the 4x4 posts were cheap and what I thought a temporary party solution I may have made them too snug in their position to the sails. We replanted them two years ago to be further out and now everything is pretty cool. They creak in the breeze in the evenings and rhat makes them worth putting up in my opinion.
Like i said, what was to be temporary is turning into permanent. The fly by night set up is turning into a happy accident. I didnt think this would last a season let alone become a fixture in our back yard. Don't over think it. You'd be surprised how well the set I did works.
Just in case anyone asks, I bought 600 pound winches for around twenty bucks each. The sails I have are 27 foot triangular. I live in the Great lakes region where the weather can be as brutal as it can get as far as summer heat, winter freezing, lake effect snow, ice, and wind. Nothing lasts here. I look out my window and there they are.
Great video. I would use pressure treated 4x6s or 6x6s though. The Douglas fur with spar urethane won't last too long especially underground. Use the pressure treated wood and wrap the part underground with synthetic felt or a good window tape for around new windows. I built my 50x35 garage this way. 3 ft deep at least
Tension helps the shade live longer. Tensioned correctly reduces the movement from wind. Movement is what destroy the shade
Absolutely
Thank you for the spring idea. I did this to mine and I got all the tension I needed to stretch the sails. I live in Florida so we’ll see what happens in those rainy and windy days.
How has it been with the wind so far?
Somewhere "out there" I saw a video (not yours) that showed using springs at the corners. Of course, I could not find it again and about a weeks worth of Google searching did not turn up anything about what kind of springs to use or what they were called or where to buy them. Then I searched YT for "solar sun sail spring" and BOOM, this was the first hit. With a handy link to a porch swing. Now I can add those to my shopping list. Thank you very much!
Glad you found them! Absolutely!
I spent some time with one of the United States wealthiest investors that lives in Berwyn PA. He had a gigantic sail shade (probally 60'x80') and it was drawn taught with an electric winch system. I suppose the avid DIY crowd could do the same. The corners were anchored to concrete buildings and lanscape features but the midddle "bridle loop" -like with a parachute- was raised into the air via stainless winch cable to an outrigger with a pulley. Very clean install and easy to take down for replacement . Bonus nachos- he also has a flexible misting system attached to it to further reduce the temperature but not soak guests.
I used 2” well pipe 20’ for 2 attachments and the house for 2. Then I mounted hand cranks like on a boat trailer. Pulls it right up and the tensions easily adjusted. Maybe I will add in a spring for when it gets windy. All attachments can be made from the ground then cranked up. Easy peasy.
I like to work harder rather than smarter
I'd like to see that setup
I planned to attach my sail to my house for 2 corners, the other 2 to medal rod concreted into a large planter. Will this work in 15-20mph wind? Or do I need 4x6’s?
I dont think so. The pole is basically a giant lever. My first set up used 2" diameter fence pipe. Its about 3/32" thick and one of the bent in half. Since i switched to well pipe which is twice as thick and thats over a year ago. Plenty if wind and all is good. I did break a couple of cheap connectors but replaced those with quality ones
Thank you for this, VERY helpful & my wife enjoyed looking at your muscles😂
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Getting the spring out of the bmw 7 series trunk from junkyard or picknpull is perfect
There you go!
I would use a stainless steel safety cable through the springs and in the turnbuckles so they don’t become projectiles if something fails.
Also angle the polls about 20° away from the SHADE sale. Also 6 x 6 pressure-treated wood or a 4 x 4 steel post. 12 footers with about 4 feet underground 😮
شكرا جدا . فكرة مميزة و مشروحة بكل التفاصيل و الإخلاص. بارك الله فيكم ❤😊
Thank you! Glad you liked it
Good info, let me add to it. A three foot hole and concrete is not enough for those poles if you live in a area with strong winds - and really, who doesn't? Four feet minimum for something like this that is under constant tension. Also, with soft sandy soil like he shows in the video, go deep as you can.
I used those ratcheting cargo straps to easily pull the shade sail tight. You can get plenty of tension and it's very safe.
Thanks for the insight!
Nicely done. Concise is the way I like my info. Nothing hinky or rigged.
Thank you!
The spring idea saved me bc it was short about 6 inches. I bought 2 screen door springs that come w a chain attached from ACE. Basically, adjustable in many b ways.
NICE, the springs allow you to have it tighter too without taring the sail shade.
Cool, I wish I had seen this before I got the sail shade, I would have stuck with an umbrella 🥵 This job is growing by leaps, handy persons we are not. Emphasize NOT. Now we have to borrow, rent a trailer, return and exchange the wrong hardware, borrow/buy a posthole digger, schedule a weekend for a cuss job and a half and.... by the time it's done it is winter. The airconditioned house starts to look mighty fine.
Awesome tutorial! Probably already stated, however, make sure to let the treated wood dry before applying stain.
Yes I waited a few months. Good tip
Great information Dan and important suggestions for using cables, tighteners and springs. We have had Shade Sails for 15 years and we purchased the best Shade Sails made by Coolaroo. They are put up every May and taken down in October. Colorado winters are such that they would be ruined by the weight of the snow and ice. 6X6 posts or larger are necessary here where winds are above 50 mph at times. Jerry
Looks great. Definitely protect the wood which is in the concrete. Concrete holds moisture and will rot out even pressure treated pretty fast depending on climate and water table.
Looks like he's in the desert, bone dry!!
Excellent video. Very informative and well done. 👍🏻
Glad you liked it!
Thank you. Nice video. We are just putting up a shade over our grand kids play area in our back yard and it had been too long since I lived in Arizona and put one up there.
You’re welcome!
I use ratchet straps to get them in place and then swap out for turn buckles and chain.
Smart
Very nice! A couple things I'd add:
1) treat any wood below ground with wood preservative
2) use a mixing tub and a garden hose to mix the concrete. (Home Renovision just released a video a few days ago on doing this with a concrete walk path.)
I just a ratchet strap to help with the connection. Ratchet it back to hold. Did the same with my daughters zip line.
Great suggestion
Dude! Thank you! I’m pretty mechanical and… old lol so I’ve done just about everything. Having said that, never put up a sail shade. Bought one surprisingly inexpensive on Amazon and it’s a gorgeous turquoise. I bought it because the Tampa heat and UV is ripping ass on my Lexus leather and paint job. This house only has a nice carport but I use that for other things and can’t park my car in it. Anyway if you can imagine a rectangle house with a smaller rectangle carport on the front…. I bought a triangle shade to basically buy me a bit of cover for my car in the hottest part of the day. I bought the adjustable screws, a concrete anchor ( one point is going into cinder block) and 3 eye plates all beefy enough rated at 350 pounds. What I didn’t get is the springs! Damn! That’s brilliant! I saved a few springs from an old 12 foot trampoline the kids used. They are in visually fine shape. I don’t know what weight they are rated at but the coils are about 2-3 inch diameter and about 6 inches long. Before I go to ACE and let them rape my wallet for springs… in your opinion, you think those would work? Oh, the safe is 12x12x17… a long triangle which will fit nicely. ????
Thanks for making the video. Right to the points and we’ll shot. Easy to watch all the way through!
"...they start out big, but they shrink up..." I say that every night.
Definitely best part of this tutorial was digging out the post hole. 1:07 😋
Dude, That’s a awesome idea for the unbearable summer , especially during the killing heats season.
Absolutely! And if you have artificial grass or lawn furniture, it’ll help protect it
I was literally just asking my dad today if it would be stupid to put a shade like this over a house. Like a smaller trailer directly in the sun
Probably but you’d save a ton on A/C lol I’ve thought of this myself
I use Coolaroo premium sun shades due to they have a 15 yr warranty. The cheaper brands may hold up for 5 years but the color will fade. I also use Cam buckes straps d/t when its cold the shade shrinks but when the sun hits for 2 hrs while up and sagging I then pull on the Cam buckle to stretch all out. Its also very easy to adjust with the Cam buckle and very easy to take down which I do during the rainy season. Those springs look great but to much work for me. Adios
Good info, I’m surprised on how well these Amazon ones have help up, 3yrs strong so far. I’ll have to try that trick to get them tighter easier!
@hap1n355:
Are the Cam buckles the same as these “CamJam Cord Tighteners”? (i’ll try to attach a pic). I was going to attach these to screw eyes (3/4 in x 3) and then use diamond braided polypropylene cord to connect the shades to the CamJam buckles. Now I’m second guessing my entire plan while some of my newly-bought poor plants are getting scorched by the South Florida heat/sun. They were fine a month or two ago, but now, the sun combined with the heat is just too much for them.
A penny for your thoughts?
And after reading a response to a customer review, I realized that this particular camjam product is not weight rated. However, apparently the XT version is weight rated to 280 lbs. looks like I will be going back to Home Depot; or just go the route that is recommended by you or Dan. I should have question my options when I had gone to a different Home Depot and found the hook tighteners in the same section of the sales shades that Dan uses in the video. But I didn’t want to start over. I may end up keeping some of these cord tighteners for other uses, as they seem to be extremely versatile. I’ll see if I can find a link to the XT version and I’d still like your opinion on that one.
Excellent vid thanks for sharing 😊
Great tutorial!!! Quick question..do you have a brand or recommend what to look for in a sunshade that would be exposed to extremely high winds? Appreciate your time! Kat
Thanks for the info. I am going to install one this summer.
You got it! Goodluck!
Use a product like red guard to water proof the wood that's sunk into the ground the wood will eventually rot if too much moisture gets to it.
Wow I use red guard a lot for shower remodels (tile guy)… never thought of that
I’m in the desert so I don’t think I’ll do it but I plan on having a cabin in NY which I’ll definitely look into that route
Great video! how do you clean sail shades from dirt and bird droppings? Thanks
Great question. Haven’t cleaned them yet and it’s been 2 years haha
We definitely need shade here in vegas 😂 i need one it gets 118 here too🙏🏻❤
Terrific video. To the point. No BS. Love it. Good luck bro!
Well done, Dan!
Thank you!
you need to use a pressure treated lumber if you are going to put ito conrete. if its not the concrete will destroy the 4x6 and it will fail
Been 3 years. I guess we’ll see when it fails
Looks amazing
Thank you
This was incredibly informative and clear. I appreciate the crap out of this. Struggling to figure out the best way to do this in my back yard. Problem freaking solved. Thank you. Excellent content.
Thank you Trey! Glad it helped!
I love it ..I need to get me one for my backyard..
Absolutely and thank you!
@@danrockwell1883 you welcome and have a great day 🙏
Thank you so much for all the great info on setting up the sails! ❤
Thank u, Granit Xhaka
Glad you liked it
You need to go to the cinema. You would look great in films... You are very cool 👌💥 😀 Вы бы имели успех.
Beavis and Butthead moment he said girth huh huh 😂
Quick questions-1. Can you use long cable wires to connect to a house?
2. Can a sunshade be temporary- and only put up on days you need it, but take down when you don’t?
Nice work 👍👍👍 thanks
Thank you!
How many lbs of concrete per 12 ft post??
"You're gonna need something with a lot of girth."
My wife says I have a good personality and that I'm funny though.
I hear that!!
Looks great, inhave a 14x14 deck off the backdoor. Nothing to really attach it to as is. Dont want to drill into house 🤔 hopefully i can figure something out 😵💫
Totally awesome. Great work.
Thank you Diane!
@@danrockwell1883 Anytime Dan u sure r a Bob Villa. Ur girl is a lucky girl. Hug the princess for me I'm sure shes getting bigger each time.
Thank you for sharing your tips.
Cement is not required. It will hold water against the wood and the post will rot out sooner in wet climates. A 3-foot deep hole with the earth repeatedly tamped down (bottom to top, just a few inches at a time. More dirt - tamptamp - more dirt tamptamp etc. A line with a truckers hitch works just fine. Very cheap, but you MUST buy decent-quality parachute-style chord. When using lines, springs, and hardware are not required. I have three across my deck and pool. I replace the line each spring.
Try doing that in Arizona 😆
Perfect explanation! 👌
How many inches do you recommend between the high and low side of the sun shade?
It's all preference. I would experiment. More than you'd think so try to make the highest point as high as you can so you can have a big difference from high to low.
He gave a COWABUNGA at the end loloolololoolZzzz
I like it. It just looked like the mounting points at the springs didn't coincide with the needed 4x6.
it's critical to install your post out of any water situation otherwise it will rot out at grade level. I prefer steel posts.
Can you give details of the brand of this sun shade? And where it can be purchased
Post should not be installed plumb. They should tilt slightly away from the direction of the sail fixings.
I did do a slight tilt but they haven’t moved in 2 yrs now. I think someone is safe hanging a sail shade with a level post with a 4x6 in 3ft of concrete…
Hi there handsome . Keep up the good work 😊
Excellent video
Does the rain run off or go through it? I know some are permeable but wasn’t sure it it needed to be sloped or I could leave it flat.
You definitely want it permeable so water can run through it
I asked my colleagues, and couple of relatives i know, they are all round have good knowledge about things around the house and what lasts, what not, but i got comments these shadea might not be too durable,
whats your opinion?
Cause im set for making this in our garden, i freaking love it, im just hoping it last a couple of years at least and it can withstand some wind and rain as well. Thanks
just look for one on amazon with good reviews. The sail shade itself isn't that expensive, just all the other stuff is a lot of work and that should last a decade or more.
Awesome video but I need a handyman for this lol
You do not need springs etc. Just use rachet tie downs and straps... leave them loose enough to get the shade sail in place then rachet tight. Perfect every time.
Hmm...I like the idea of ratchet straps but how long will they last out in the weather? We have about 5-6 months of good outside weather before the snow hits. Im thinking the straps will rot out from UV rays in a 1 "season".
springs allow you to have it very tight without taring the sail shade when wind, rain, or other elements.
Question. When mounting the poles, did you mount them perfectly vertical or at an angle to account for some pole bending?
I just did vertical, I figure using a 4x6 you should be fine as long as you dig your hole deep enough
Thanks, but what about strong wind? I mean very strong wind almost everyday, Is it going to hold up?
Holds up to the AZ monsoons. Buy upgraded turn buckles though, not the cheap ones the sale shade will likely come with
Yes springs, that’s a great idea…
Do you use springs at just 2 corners, or at all 4 ends?
The more the better. I used them at all 4 spots
Awesome video!
I'm thinking I'm doing something like this to provide a little privacy around my pool area. The extra shade is nice, but I need it more for privacy When I bought the place a few years ago, there was nothing but wooded areas in my backyard
Now an entire housing development is being built. As luck would have it, a double story house is directly in my line of sight. I'd like to use these sails as a way of providing year round privacy. without being blocked in by walls. Do you know if the canvas or material will hold up year round?
Great question. I’m in San Diego and get a lot of sun.
It will not hold up year round, but you can always replace it.
looking jacked, king 💪
Hi, Thanks for the video and great information. I live in the valley too. How did the way you installed your sail hold up in monsoon season - was the tension tight enough or too tight in the strong winds? I watched one video that said to have the post at a little bit of an angle away from the direction the tension will be pulling towards. Do you think that would have been helpful or not necessary? Thank you
They held up great, it’s been 3 years and I very happy with how it’s been. Just make sure you get strong turn buckles
You can angle it but i didn’t
Thanks so much. First video I could find that clearly discussed post dimensions. You stated a 10x10 likely needs minimum 12x12.
I'm considering a 16x20 sail...Is 22.6' between rafter posts sufficient for the 20' side??
That should be perfect :)
We’ve been planning to do this on our driveway to act as a shade for ourselves and parked cars. I guess our biggest worry is the wind. Would staggered triangle pieces help lessen the chance of catching strong wind?
We are aware that we need more than one if we do that. And our winds can uproot old and large trees 😬
Will it make a difference if we go for triangles instead of a big rectangle?
Thank you for this vid!
We need shade, thanks.
I have a concrete around my pool and i was hoping you can tell me what can i use to expand the length/ tension of the shade sail? I will need a lot of those springs or is there something else i could you to have length?
*Great video...thank you!!!*
That looks great and it also looks like the house I had in Phoenix. You’re not in Phoenix by chance? Thanks for the video!
Thank you! I'm in Scottsdale
What's funny is that you weren't joking lol
Spectacular, where can I buy the wood? What dimensions should I buy it has to be able to adapt it with the supports for pergola?
Thank you! Lowes or home depot, you can get 4x4. I got 12ft on top to make it big then 10ft high
wow thanks for the real nice learning video,i want one,i have a question,what will be the actual weight on the material 18x18 sail shade???thanks again......
Thank you!
How long do those 4x6s usually last? Was thinking about using steel square tube instead of wood since wood is likely to bend over time.
Not sure. I’m guessing up to 10 years if taken care of. (Stain, paint, etc)
Do I need springs and turnbuckles on all 4 points?
The more the better but you can get away with 2
Great tips thanks
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So I’m watching this and I like the idea of the porch swing springs. Glad to know my choice to use 4x6 posts was the right choice. But I need clarification on something: you go into detail on how to hook the spring to the pad eye in the corner where you had to use two springs due to miscalculating the distance, but you don’t explain how you hooked the porch spring to the pad eyes in the other corners without the additional spring. The porch swing spring doesn’t appear to have an open end. Do you just use some heavy duty s hooks there?
Yeah just buy some quick links
@@danrockwell1883I ended up using 1/8” cable with crimps to connect the spring to the shade, and then used the turnbuckle between the spring and the pad eye. I was thinking too hard and forgot about the turnbuckle.
Is that first spring from a trampoline?
I bought it from Lowes
Good job 😊 yes lots of girth
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Only thing is I have grass for the 2 outer ends and I don’t want to put post in my grass let alone cement. I need another idea.
Where did you find the spring
Amazon porch springs
This is great!
Is there a go to sail shade brand? something high quality?
I just went with a highly rated one on Amazon. It’s been great for years now
Great video thank you for sharing. I think we are both in Arizona. Any suggestion on where to buy the sail ?
Yup AZ! I got mine from Amazon
Looks nice!
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Where do you recommend buying the shade sail from?
Amazon, just get one with the highest ratings
Can wire cables be used? 6ft too long? a 10x13 shade can anchor to the house, but then needs 6ft to run-out to where i might hang lights as well. Thoughts?
Only one way to find out haha id go for it, just make sure it’s secured nice and get it tight, use a spring too
Backyard looks great! What base did you use around the turf?
Just pavers set in cement. Thank you!!