@@ReLoadersBench Federal 100 M primers are the best, they have thin cup material, which makes them easier to dent \ fire. Especially if you have light firing pin springs. CCI 500 primers are hard as granite. Your hammer spring has to be at lease 16 lbs. to work (every time) with CCI 500 primers. My Beretta 92 has an 11 lb. spring, it only fires with Fed 100 primers. The last time I bought primers, they were $29.95 per 1000. I bought 30.000, went back and bought 30K more. If you're loading the 9mm, I suggest Vihtavuori 3N37 or Blue Dot. I tried Alliant BE-86 powder. It melted into my RCBS powder hoppers, and left thick black soot in my action. Btw, I've been reloading 34+ years. When I first started, a pound of powder was $4.39 and primers were $3.25 for 1,000. Merry Christmas to you and your family. 🌲
I buy components when I see a sale, and always more than I need at the moment. Later on when I can't find something I usually have it on hand. Casting your own bullets can save you extra money too.
Agree with you on the cost. 22 cents a round is NOT terrible, I mean as long as you consider your reloading rig as a fixed cost. During the pandi, I taught myself how to reload 223. I had enough for 1000 rounds. There were opportunities to pick up some primers, bullets and powder before the whole thing shut down. In total I had about 3000 rounds worth of supplies. Then the shortages hit, and ammo skyrocketed and became a currency. But I stayed in my basement and made my ammo and was still able to go to the range at an effective cost. And to be honest I haven't bought 223/556 for 3 years. You can't discount that aspect and somehow need to factor it in, not just raw cost. I only wish I had grabbed supplies for 9mm so now I am paying a much higher price.
Agreed. For better or worse, cost will always be a factor/measurement in reloading. Human nature. But, each "event" (school thing, pandi, etc.) brings supply shortages and increased costs. But it had never been as bad as this in terms of supply availability and skyrocketing costs. Add to the raw supplies availability the scarcity of or over priced cost of ammo and things are crazy.
Once you use them you will love the Federal primers. They are perfectly sized to prime by feel. And they will work in guns with well worn springs or tiny pocket pistols.
Federal specifically cautions against the use of their primers in firearms with floating firing pins (such as the MSR) because there have been a number of instances of out-of-battery ignition causing problems.
@@richardbriscoe8563 you can get CCI #41 for that. But I have used Federal 100 for pistols for years without issues. I do NOT do red line max loads though.
FYI. I worked at Federal for 6 years then retired When I went down to the area that makes primers Why the larger plastic slider. Federal had to space the primers in the sleeves. A transportation requirement from NTSB. Because they were hotter than the CCI primers. Federal also makes CCI primers. Both companies are owned by the parent company Vista Outdoor
who also owns Remington now, so for most domestic primers is owned by Vista(CCI, FED, REM) and Olin(Winchester), a lot of folks are going to imported primers like S&B and Magtech
The federal trays are that thick to protect the primers since they are softer and could potentially go off. The orientation of the primers is the same reason.
Can you say price gouging?? Yes boys and girls say it all together now. Price gouging. Very good. Here in Oregon the **tarded voters put in new restrictions on purchasing firearms and ammo magazines. So the prices have skyrocketed to new dizzying heights. Maybe the gun dealers are behind this lunacy, as they are making more sales at higher profits than ever before. Thanx obamba.
@@albertforletta1498 Well Albert you could simply refuse to pay the inflated prices. That will bring down the high prices, unless the demand is still great. How long have you been reloading? Do you remember 2012? That's the first major price hike and shortage. Some people stocked up in the years following. Was that greed? ...to buy a bunch when they became available again? Was that hoarding? There are alternatives to this like .22lr and airguns. I know absolutely that the demand has greatly increased with the events of 2020. I choose to view it as a good thing. All these new shooters (first time gun owners), are not going to give up their newly purchased guns for some liberal convoluted thinking. It's an inconvenience for us, but I believe it's worth it. With the Heller and Bruen decisions, our rights have been cemented and it's driving the gun grabbers crazy (that's worth it in and of itself!). I don't like the high prices either. Certainly, thank you for the opportunity to have this discussion. If you Albert, or anyone else would like to chime in, please do. Respectfully, Steve Mr. Re Loader, you do make good videos. Good for you!
@@steveinla8963Well said! I got bit bad in 2012, and told myself never again. For two years after things finally went back to “normal” except for .22 LR I stopped buying loaded ammo completely and placed a monthly small to medium sized order at Powder Valley. I’ll never run short again. It’s not so much “greed” as it’s millions of new shooters all wanting ammo, and that ammo has to have primers and powder.
I remember primers at $11/K I still have some powder I bought at $6/lb. I just used some in a couple dozen 30-30 loads. I've been using Fiocci primers for years. They are excellent...even in light spring revolvers. They come 150pcs per sleeve. Lee doesn't recommend using Federal primers in their equipment though I've never had an issue when I used them.
I live in Adelaide, South Australia and we can't buy primers anywhere. Powder is also in limited supply and we don't have the brand choices you have in the States. Some dealers interstate have stocks of powder and primers but shipping is not allowed.
I'm seeing more "life" in this space as of late. Better for powders than primers. Reminded someone else Powder Valley had (yesterday) True Blue for ~$27-ish a pound. In today's world, that's a deal. Can't say the same about primers. Seeing off brand names for $75-$95/1000. Some CCI "on sale" for ~$89 or so. Give it time, prices will come down. How much is the question.
Absolutely nothing wrong with Federal primers! I began reloading with them over thirty years ago. I have never had a problem with a single handloaded cartridge. They are my primer of choice for the myriad rifle and handgun regular and magnum cartridges I load.
Nothing wrong with the functionality of the primer, but the packaging can be a pain. I have a squeeze loader, the primer tray is smaller than the sleeve. But, these are terrible times for us reloaders. So we take what we can get.
I could be wrong, but I think the Lee reloading handbook indicates that the more explosive/flammable a primer is, the more packaging that is/may be required. If this is true and Federal primers are more explosive, that may explain the larger packaging.
I was able to score some good powder even during the pandemic but I'm still looking for small pistol primers years later because I still have 2,250 rounds of 9 mm to load and all I need are the primers. I did get some military primers from CCI for the 556 and one I purchased during the first ammo crunch and then just before the second ammo crunch which was just before the pandemic and the price between those two bricks has literally doubled!
Finding large rifle primers is no place to be found. I build my own rifles then have a liking for wildcat cartridges so I must reload to shoot my guns. It is so bad the AR 10 upper I have I bought 100 Peterson small primer 308 brass not to being using the large rifle primers in my other cartridge loadings. My 7 mm Rem mag and 300 Wby mag are collecting dust because I'm not going to use up my large rifle primers. In the Pacific NW now powered is easy to find and pistol primers are showing up again.
I can remember when 9mm remington for 50 rounds was a little over five dollars a box. we will never see that again. and a brick of 22s for eight dollars a brick on sale. and the funny part is the manufacturer and the store still made money. today it is all about GREED and fear running the prices higher and higher. and people talk about SHTF. if it gets to that point one box is all you need, once you are dead all the ammo in the world will not help you out.
If all u have is 1 box during shtf and u think that’s all u need I’m very certain u would be dead. U would need more than 1 box in 1 fire fight! Vietnam was said to be 10k rds per casualty! I’m sure they were very wasteful but a lot of shooting would be through walls brush cars etc. but if all u want is 1 20 rd box for your rifle and 1 50 rd for your pistol. I’m ok with it!!
Today the Central Bank is rigging the run away deficit by buying government debt. You are just a banana republic now. Your "money" has lost more than 98 % of its value vs a gold standard in 35 years and the loss in value will accelerate for the foreseeable future..
My area has small rifle fairly commonly for 95$ a K sometimes LR for 110$ but pistol primers are not very common unless u buy em at 17$ a 100 ! So once their back to reasonable prices I’ll really stock up. I’ve put 6.5 lb springs in my Glock to shoot rifle primers . If I crush em their ok reliable if I don’t crush em then I get light strikes . A hammer gun is best for rifle primers like a beretta so u can double strike if needed.
I want to say over the years I tried a bit of Remington, but CCI/Winchester have been my "go to" primers. The occasional fail to fire (light strike, other reason, etc.) but not enough to take note or change.
@@geezerp1982 I've tried them all and nothing else comes nearly as close as Federal. Winchester would be next or any other primer that does not have nickel plating.
And hookers were $ 2.00. Now you live in a banana republic with a central bank buying the government debt to finance runaway spending. Just like Argentina, Brazil, Venezuela....
For pistol reloading in the Pacific NW pretty much not a problem for bullets - primers - powders and in the woods at shooting spots brass is thrown all over. What is needed is large rifle primers. Lots of power types now in the stores by no large rifle primers. Small rifle primers are showing up . So not to be using up what large rifle primers I do have I bought 100 Peterson small rifle primer 308 brass for shooting fun.
We are paying the same at the local shop where I live. You will be fine with the federal primers. I have loaded with them for 42 years & found them to perform just like CCI. I too like CCI packaging much better.
I've found in the reloading space that once a product/vendor (think Lee Precision) takes a hit for whatever reason, the folklore stories never end and no one seems to have direct experience with said issue(s), but instead "heard about it" and just repeats. I'll approach with the open mind. Not concerned at all they will perform fine, just new to me that's all.
The 9mm round is the cheap round that you can buy and are available all over the place this days and i seeing that price keep going down every day. off course you can save when reloading even 9mm but bigger winner and saving is when you are reloading 380,44,45,223,308 and more expensive rounds . me by my self i just shooting 9mm and lucky to have good neighbor that i can use his reloading tools and i bought enough bullet, powder and primers for 8000 rounds but when i run out and if price of 9mm which is now $14 per box stay the same or go more down i will not bother to reload 9mm any more .
@@edwardabrams4972 oops did do that 🤣🤣I'm all but 50,, and it wasn't that many years ago I was buying 5.56 for $3 per 20, and 9mm for $8.99 a box,,, I still have fresh 22 mag with $7.95 ,, and it's only like ten years old,, not ancient🤔😎🇺🇸 see the thing is if they can't take our guns they will do wnmhat ever to limit ammo,, the feds have been buying millions and millions or rounds,, where they go nobody knows,,, bit that is why ammo is expensive,,, $40 for a brick of 22lr my ass,,, 10 years ago it was $19, 5 before that it was $9.99 or less,,, 9/11 changed this country on St don't see
That's not too bad actually cheap compared to here Primers are $40 per 100 small rifle primers And as for powder $140 per kg We haven't been able to get out hands on primers for abit over 2 years now
At this stage you must simply ask yourself whether you want it or not. Although shipping cost (by conex container is down by a good bit from the high, the manufacturers are still facing high costs for everything from warehouse forklift drivers to copper & lead, increased production labor and, of course, transportation costs that remain high, particularly impacting components sourced overseas. If you don’t buy it quickly someone else will.
Sometimes it's not a want but a need. If I'm out of primers and WANT to visit the range then I NEED to find primers. Simple. Don't like it, but it is what it is. I think the new "norm" when the cough/economic "dust" finally settles we'll see ~$35-40/lb powder and $50/1000 primers. I'm thinking we'll see a return to powder availability a LOT faster than we will for primers unfortunately. Just look at the "normal" price for gas...my area is ~$5.75 for regular. People will pay not because they WANT to drive but because they NEED to drive. Supply and demand.
@@ReLoadersBench Everybody has the right to make a living. A lot of decent suppliers don’t like the prices any more than we do, but it costs them more and they are pricing things accordingly. I don’t have a problem with merchants charging the prevailing market price (event though I don’t like it), but sooner or later the price gougers will get their comeuppance. As far as pricing stabilizing at a lower level I’m not too optimistic, but at least the prices appear to have stopped going up so dramatically. The availability is ever so slowly improving. Sooner or later the people panic buying will either run out of money or will have purchased all they can justify to themselves. Every factory rep I’ve spoken with is telling the same thing…they are producing more product than ever and shipping almost daily. Beware the scammers. When you are desperate, it is all too easy to take risks you never would have under normal circumstances.
@@richardbriscoe8563 - Supply and demand, whether real or manipulated. "Limited" supply and seemingly unlimited demand leads to capitalism at its best (some would say its worst). Once materials/products reach a saturation level, prices will finally drop. After all, one can only buy/stock so much stuff.
Holy cow.. I was beginning to think unique didn’t exist anymore. That’s great! Yeah..the powers that be are certainly taking the perks out of this hobbycraft But if you shoot any other calibers still a decent savings!
Here is what is real crazy in ammo pricing. I have an AR 10 I did in 6.5-284 Norma I reload for, but the Nosler loaded ammo for 6.5-284 Norma is $145.00! 50 rounds of brass for reloading the 6.5-284 Norma from Nosler is $115.00. The mother F ers know the 6.5-284 can't be made from any other cartridge so they jack the price up. I see this also is a problem with new cartridges the companies are jacking up the prices because they know not even the reloader can use another cartridge to resize to make the cartridges for these new cartridges. The 30-06 or 300 win mag and 300 Wby mag are the basis for so many cartridges or today so when a reloader needs brass and one or the other brass is available just resized and cut then load can turn one cartridge into what your gun can shoot. I have a 5 gallon bucket of 30-06 - 6 mm Rem - 243 - 7 mm Mauser - some 8 mm Mauser I turn into 308 when I need new brass. I use 300 win to make 7 mm Rem mag and 338 win mag . I use 300 Wby mag to make 340 Wby mag ammo
@@Lure-Benson yikes, that’s ridiculous and I agree with you. yeah my father in law figured he could load his .444 Marlin he’d pay for the equipment and components by the time he bought his second box of 20. How is that 6.5 Norma to shoot in AR-10? I’ve always been curious about that.
@@RME1911 The 6.5- 284 Norma works perfect in the AR 10 once an adjustable gas block was put on to tame the gas pressure going back into the bolt carrier that is the same as a 270 win or slightly more pressure than the 270. Before the adjustable gas block, it ripped the case rims off. factory ammo was made for bolt guns with long actions, so the bullets are seated way out. Reloads do seat the bullets to the cannelure and fit into AR 10 magazines. I hunt with using 6.5 156 grain Norma Vulcan or Oryx. Due to my 26 inch barrel and 6.5- 284 it is quite a bit better than a 270 win if you look at the chronograph readings and the 6.5 bullets are long and slide through the air a little better and the 270 win. 6.5 and 270 use the same bullet weights. I used a Pac Nor super match 26" barrel so the speed of all bullets is exceeding the 270 wins by 150 fps my chronograph shows me. This 6.5-284 Norma is the long throat chamber whereas the 6.5-284 win is the short throat chamber, so I have like a free bore for higher pressures using more powder than a 270win I have accuracy of the best bolt rifles from this AR 10 in 6.5-284 Norma. I also have AR 10 uppers in 6mm - 284 win and a upper in 375-300 WSM for matching power of the 375 H&H magnums. The 6mm - 284 is the match in power range to the 6mm-06 both use the same powders and grains of powder. 100 grain bullets traveling at 3900 fps kills animals like hit by a lightning bolt. 58 grain 6 mm travel at 5000fps. The bark when fired from this 6mm is horrendous! I build to sell AR 10 uppers. I have a few photos of my built AR 10 on my Instagram photo's at dwayneb1959
@@RME1911 I've met up with people from TH-cam that found I have the AR 10 in 6 mm - 284 or 6.5 - 284 then I let them shoot the AR 10 with both uppers so if you are around the Portland Oregon area and what to give a try with this AR 10 message for a meeting. The AR 10 in 375 - 300 WSM I can use because there aren't any 375 bullets or WSM brass any place to be bought
@@Lure-Benson I’m from Eastern OR actually but I do not live anywhere close now, Appreciate the invite and the info i would have never guessed but certainly with the chrono readings I like that velocity and I would assume your bullets choice are holding up to those velocities as well. Again Good info, thank you for Sharing for I enjoy the AR10 platform and shot .270s most my life, I will keep your info handy.
Mold your own .356 projectiles way cheaper the velocity is slow so 9mm is perfect for lead. And if u get lead in your barrel a jacketed bullet actually cleans that right out. Lead bullets are very accurate but may shoot to a different point of aim
Haha. There are no reloading supplies in local gun shops or pawn shops were I live. If you want supplies you have to order them and pay a premium with haz mat fees and shipping on top of the ridiculous prices they are asking. I just wait until prices return to sanity and if they don't I buy factory ammo. Just not going to pay double or triple what a product is worth. If I put together an order I am going to make it worth my while and the product is going to be priced what its worth, not what its not worth.
Remember, we are in a recession, that is going too get deeper. Costs are not coming down on anything. In fact we are more then likely going into a depression, long before any of this recovers. Companies need to make a decision on wether or not, their profit or people just not being able to afford their products, is worth the profit range they are asking. Supply and demand are truly what will drive costs. Right now, with the political environment, we will not see a loss of demand!
I know a lot of people reload to save money and enjoy doing it. I'm not one of those people, I like factory loads. I did buy some reloads from Freedom munitions. These are the absolute worst ammo I have ever shot. They used the least amount of powder as possible and it's very corrosive. I can shoot 30 rounds and wait a week before cleaning my gun and every part that burnt powder has touched turns green. Never had that from factory loads.
As a reloader I can confidently say I've NEVER saved any $$ reloading. I do it for other aspects and will never use someone else's reloads. Disassemble for parts and discard the powder.
The guy who mentored me when I was learning handloading, said two things that I will always remember..."Never shoot or otherwise depend on another man's reloaded cartridge...", and, "There's nothing more gratifying than taking a buck with a cartridge that YOU handloaded for YOUR rifle..." Truer words have never been spoken! Rest in peace John A. You taught me a lifetime hobby, that has since given me over thirty years thus far of satisfying handloading, hunting, and shooting experiences. One day, we'll be together again, work up another load, and get after 'em on that other shore. ✝️
I will nevef pay these prices for primers. Not even close. Who do these people think they are. Anyone who pays these prices are crazy and are not helping the rest of us. If no one buys these the price will drop.
So easy to say... but when you’re out of primers and ammo is unavailable then what Einstein? You do you and let others make their own decisions for their own specific reasons.
I have news for you Jon. They're never coming down again to the glory days of $35 per thousand. So unless you have a lifetime supply in stock, I guess you wont ever be using your reloading equipment ever again. My guess is they may after a couple more years come down a bit to around $70
...1K primers were going for $150 at the West Palm Beach show this past weekend (and he had NO Small Pistol Magnum primers at all I've got 1K of those little bastards)...this dude shows up at practically every show - I've been buying from him for years...he powder was $50 a pound...bought 2 lbs ea of Unique and Bullseye - thankfully he had it...had trouble find that stuff for a long time
@@ReLoadersBench ...yeah...I got there on Sunday afternoon and he still had a plethora of primers on his table...guess most folks felt the same as we do...
@@kennethmcdonald5278 ...I bought no primers...wouldn't touch them at THAT price...I've got "plenty" of all primers - my late wife bought a bunch in 2018 - the First Great Panic
Couldn’t agree more. I’ve often asked myself if I reload to shoot or shoot to reload? I thoroughly enjoy both sides of this equation! I most certainly don’t reload to save money, LOL.
Canada, your gun industry is already f%€?*¥!! And democrat party in this country wants it like yours. Difference is we have the second amendment. They sure are trying to price us out of ammo though
It's almost not even worth reloading 9mm right now. When you do the math you're in it for almost $250 in components per 1000 rounds loaded. That's not factoring in your time spent loading. Well, you can buy 1000 rounds of factory new 9mm for roughly $275. I've stopped loading it. I'm mostly loading .223 and 7.62x39 since I can still save over buying 1000 rounds. And for general plinking out to 100 yards I'm not loading anything spicy or concerned about extreme precision.
With my recent LGS powder purchase, I'm spending $.03 for powder, $.10 for primer and I just bough more boolits for $.07 ea...so that comes to $.20/cpr. 1,000 rounds would cost me ~$200. Factory @ $275 (seeing 9mm on line for $.25-$.30 round, but then you have tax, shipping and an FFL transfer fee for my state) is a wishful thinking price at present. All of a sudden $275 for 1,000 rounds is closer to $350 after taxes and fees...so I'll take my ~$200/1000 any day. I don't factor in the time spent reloading as it's a hobby, not a job. It's also a hobby I enjoy versus one I dread. Just like I don't factor in my time or gas driving all over the place to find ammo in stock at a shop. But, to each their own.
Back before any of this craziness started I would pay $24 for a hundred rounds of either 5.56 or 7.62 x 39. What the hell is he talking about an FFL fee for ammo?
Ah, you obviously live in a FREE state where you can have ammo ordered online delivered to your home. Been years since we've had that freedom. Our politicians pass restriction after restriction so now we can ONLY purchase ammo at an LGS or if we place an order online the online vendor has be be willing to send the ammo to an FFL (once the FFL has provided proof of license). That luxury costs $30 at my LSG for the "transfer" fee (essentially extortion) and a $1.00 DROS to prove I can legally purchase ammo (NCIS check, paperwork and signature just like I'm buying a pew pew). Also, from a legality standpoint, my best friend (or anyone else for that matter) who wants to either give or sell me ammo can only happen at an FFL. So, that's a LONG winded way of saying ENJOY YOUR AMMO "FREEDOM"...as it probably won't last.
CA...been a law for a number of years now (since 2018 or 2019). Enjoy being able to receive ammo purchased online delivered to your home while you can, it will go away at some point.
@@ReLoadersBench I do a lot of long distance precision shooting and do more reloading than buying finished ammo. I assumed it was either California, Illinois, or New York.
Pains me to pay it and I've lasted through most of the cough craziness...but my last "stocking" order didn't see the last few years coming....which is why EVERYONE is buying EVERYTHING they can get their hands on. Will prob be another year or two until supplies reach a saturation point where prices fall.
@@ReLoadersBench just waiting for those that bought and now will sell. Got powder at a gun show for a reasonable price, but was probably at least a few years old since it had an older label on it. Paid 25$ for Trueblue.
Same in Michigan , providing you are dealing with honest people , we have to stick together , and there are people out there taking advantage of the sit. If I knew who they were , and they needed assistance because the wolf was at their door , nope , you are on your own !
if we all stiped buying ammo for three months the prices would go down,but you have a fringe group that is hording so they can have a civil war.they do not know how well off they are.
I use fed primers all or most of the time I used them for 40 years or more they work great for me, yes the primer box's are kinda stupid but just take knife or small screw driver and pry the stops up and out of the way that's it, aim small shoot good .
Found a local saddle/leather shop and told them what size and "color" (degree of dying). Took FOREVER and in hindsight I'd either find another shop or settle for a "good enough" version on Amazon. It's held up well however and I like the "weathered" look it now has from all my tinkering over the years.
@@ReLoadersBench I’ve been using a Birchwood Casey deerskin handgun mat, but I’ve been looking for something a little bigger and heavier. Unfortunately Illinois doesn’t have many saddle shops though…
I technically can't find factory 9mm for $.25 as there would usually be (for me at least), a shipping charge, tax and FFL "transfer" fee. So 1,000 rounds @ $250 wouldn't actually be $.25/pr, more likely $.32/.33 per round. Reloading is an enjoyable hobby, so I don't look at it as work. I control all aspects and enjoy using what I make. I'll be the first to say reloading doesn't save you ANY money!
@@ReLoadersBench no not whatever 7000 grains dont be a city btch man up to your mistakes. Like any other normal person. Dont go shoving around your ego online giving reloders a bad name
@@awsomedude12345678 - Lighten up Francis. Worry about your own channel and your own videos. Mistakes happen, I misspoke. Big deal, not the end of the f-ing world. OMG. Troll elsewhere.
@@ReLoadersBench ok ill admit I was trolling a little bit. But i only did it because I saw you comment a stupid reply to someone else who pointed it out. Thats my bad i shouldn't be taking advantage of the worst side of people. That aside i wouldn't have know either if i wouldn't have seen that comment.
So glad I stocked up on powder and primers a few years ago. I also got the Xtreme bullets in bulk in 2018 or so, so my cost is free brass, .08 cents per round for bullets, 0.15 cents for powder and .03 for primers, so just given inflation from almost 5 years ago you actually did pretty good I think. Living in California I thought there might be more BS restrictions from the state coming, so was ahead of the curve for once. I see you figured out your cost for powder is actually 0.35 each as you’re getting 1400 rounds out of the pound, but please don’t call the bullets “heads” ok? 🤔😳. One suggestion, even though it shoots a bit dirty I love Unique, but you can get 350 more rounds per pound of powder by switching to Titegroup. Instead of 1400 rounds at 5 grains, that’s 1750 rounds at 4 grains per round. I understand you bought what you can find, but just in case you get lucky!
"It is what it is" is what every loser on Judge Judy says. I think the ammo companies are making so much military ammo they have no time whatsoever for reloading supplies. I heard in August that the earliest that any primers would be available would be some time in January. January's not far off. Lets hope-
Maybe available early next year in greater supply, but for price to drop so too does demand. I don't see demand dropping for a while, kind of like .22lr from 2012-2017. Price for .22lr FINALLY fell to $.03/cpr in 2019...then the cough hit in 2020. The manipulation rollercoaster!
Congratulations to 50 years of reloading! I first got interested in reloading in 1984, but didn't actually "pull the trigger" (bad pun) until much later in life. Glad I finally did. Agreed, we been through a number of "events" that have made things challenging over the years and this is, IMO, the worst it's been.
@@tonydevich7937 - Bye bye and take care. And for all those FREAKING out over 8000/7000 grains, that equates to a .036 vs .031 (5/1000) price difference in my calculations...BFD. Get over it.
If you reload buy as much as you can if you don't ammo is always a good investment and you can always sell ammo components! Other wise find another hobby cause it never gonna get better America is already in the rear view mirror!
The gov. Wants win. Cci. Federal , to put a shelf life on primers , and powder , I have powder and primers from the 90's , and I use them with no problems. I would not take a chance , and stand in front of my rifle while shooting that old powder , and primers , I use WWIi ammo in my Mausers.
OMFG, I miss spoke and quoted 8k instead of 7k...WOW I should just stop reloading right this MINUTE. I just won’t be able to trust myself going forward so I’ll need to find a new hobby. Maybe I can be a YT troll.
Love the chanel! Not just because I like reloading and have been doing it off and on for 60 years but because I love all the haters and stupid idiot comments just makes me want to roll over laughing 🤔😳😂
@@edwardabrams4972 - Thanks. I always get a kick out of the more "interesting" comments...to the point I have to toss back some of their logic/perspective so they hopefully realize how petty they are being. The keyboard warriors with the harshest comments are also usually the ones that have ZERO content on their own channel. Their parents must not have taught them the lesson about people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...
Sorry , only 7,000 grains in a pound .
Common core math, mine came with extra ;-)
A pound of anything (not just powder) is 7000 grains not 8000 grains.
@@streakofluck - 7000 grains, 8000 grains, whatever.
@@ReLoadersBench Federal 100 M primers are the best, they have thin cup material, which makes them easier to dent \ fire. Especially if you have light firing pin springs.
CCI 500 primers are hard as granite. Your hammer spring has to be at lease 16 lbs. to work (every time) with CCI 500 primers.
My Beretta 92 has an 11 lb. spring, it only fires with Fed 100 primers. The last time I bought primers, they were $29.95 per 1000. I bought 30.000, went back and bought 30K more.
If you're loading the 9mm, I suggest Vihtavuori 3N37 or Blue Dot. I tried Alliant BE-86 powder. It melted into my RCBS powder hoppers, and left thick black soot in my action.
Btw, I've been reloading 34+ years. When I first started, a pound of powder was $4.39 and primers were $3.25 for 1,000.
Merry Christmas to you and your family. 🌲
@@ReLoadersBench lol whatever? It literally makes your calculations more expensive assuming you calculated powder for 8000 grains at that price
People who call bullets, heads irritate the living hell out of me 🤷🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️ that's my pet peeve. It's a bullet.
What about the flathead screwdriver?? What is that?? Millennials talk? OMG ha ha.
@@mochiebellina8190 flat head works 🤷🏼♂️ that's literally what its call, because the part you use, aka the head, is actually flat. 🤷🏼♂️😂
People use different words because Boobtube doesn't like certain words to be used in videos.
@@SDMacMan I'm a huge fan of rumble for that reason 😭😂🤷🏼♂️
@@mybuickskill6979 but your not on rumble!
I buy components when I see a sale, and always more than I need at the moment. Later on when I can't find something I usually have it on hand. Casting your own bullets can save you extra money too.
I don:t cast my own , but I do buy when the getting is good , reloading is no different than stocking up on food , water , gasoline , etc.
Agree with you on the cost. 22 cents a round is NOT terrible, I mean as long as you consider your reloading rig as a fixed cost. During the pandi, I taught myself how to reload 223. I had enough for 1000 rounds. There were opportunities to pick up some primers, bullets and powder before the whole thing shut down. In total I had about 3000 rounds worth of supplies. Then the shortages hit, and ammo skyrocketed and became a currency. But I stayed in my basement and made my ammo and was still able to go to the range at an effective cost. And to be honest I haven't bought 223/556 for 3 years. You can't discount that aspect and somehow need to factor it in, not just raw cost. I only wish I had grabbed supplies for 9mm so now I am paying a much higher price.
Agreed. For better or worse, cost will always be a factor/measurement in reloading. Human nature. But, each "event" (school thing, pandi, etc.) brings supply shortages and increased costs. But it had never been as bad as this in terms of supply availability and skyrocketing costs. Add to the raw supplies availability the scarcity of or over priced cost of ammo and things are crazy.
Once you use them you will love the Federal primers. They are perfectly sized to prime by feel. And they will work in guns with well worn springs or tiny pocket pistols.
Federal specifically cautions against the use of their primers in firearms with floating firing pins (such as the MSR) because there have been a number of instances of out-of-battery ignition causing problems.
@@richardbriscoe8563 you can get CCI #41 for that. But I have used Federal 100 for pistols for years without issues. I do NOT do red line max loads though.
FYI. I worked at Federal for 6 years then retired
When I went down to the area that makes primers
Why the larger plastic slider. Federal had to space the primers in the sleeves. A transportation requirement from NTSB. Because they were hotter than the CCI primers. Federal also makes CCI primers. Both companies are owned by the parent company Vista Outdoor
Interesting, thanks.
who also owns Remington now, so for most domestic primers is owned by Vista(CCI, FED, REM) and Olin(Winchester), a lot of folks are going to imported primers like S&B and Magtech
The federal trays are that thick to protect the primers since they are softer and could potentially go off. The orientation of the primers is the same reason.
Makes sense...was just surprised at how huge the box is as compared to other primer packaging.
@@ReLoadersBench I’m with you on that one and I’m also a cci guy myself.
Can you say price gouging?? Yes boys and girls say it all together now. Price gouging. Very good. Here in Oregon the **tarded voters put in new restrictions on purchasing firearms and ammo magazines. So the prices have skyrocketed to new dizzying heights. Maybe the gun dealers are behind this lunacy, as they are making more sales at higher profits than ever before. Thanx obamba.
Can you say supply and demand?
Well, Oregon is full commie!! Why is that? Because nutless people have allowed it.
@@steveinla8963yes. We all have been educated on supply and demand. However, GREED and price gouging most certainly enters into the economic equation!
@@albertforletta1498 Well Albert you could simply refuse to pay the inflated prices. That will bring down the high prices, unless the demand is still great. How long have you been reloading? Do you remember 2012? That's the first major price hike and shortage. Some people stocked up in the years following. Was that greed? ...to buy a bunch when they became available again? Was that hoarding? There are alternatives to this like .22lr and airguns. I know absolutely that the demand has greatly increased with the events of 2020. I choose to view it as a good thing. All these new shooters (first time gun owners), are not going to give up their newly purchased guns for some liberal convoluted thinking. It's an inconvenience for us, but I believe it's worth it. With the Heller and Bruen decisions, our rights have been cemented and it's driving the gun grabbers crazy (that's worth it in and of itself!). I don't like the high prices either. Certainly, thank you for the opportunity to have this discussion. If you Albert, or anyone else would like to chime in, please do. Respectfully, Steve Mr. Re Loader, you do make good videos. Good for you!
@@steveinla8963Well said! I got bit bad in 2012, and told myself never again. For two years after things finally went back to “normal” except for .22 LR I stopped buying loaded ammo completely and placed a monthly small to medium sized order at Powder Valley. I’ll never run short again. It’s not so much “greed” as it’s millions of new shooters all wanting ammo, and that ammo has to have primers and powder.
I remember primers at $11/K I still have some powder I bought at $6/lb. I just used some in a couple dozen 30-30 loads. I've been using Fiocci primers for years. They are excellent...even in light spring revolvers. They come 150pcs per sleeve.
Lee doesn't recommend using Federal primers in their equipment though I've never had an issue when I used them.
I live in Adelaide, South Australia and we can't buy primers anywhere. Powder is also in limited supply and we don't have the brand choices you have in the States. Some dealers interstate have stocks of powder and primers but shipping is not allowed.
Anybody like HP38? Gets nearly 1400 rounds per pound on the 9mm. It’s a good pistol powder that will suit most pistol needs.
Last week Grafs had a lot of powder in stock and federal SMP primers in stock BUT only at their storefront
I'm seeing more "life" in this space as of late. Better for powders than primers. Reminded someone else Powder Valley had (yesterday) True Blue for ~$27-ish a pound. In today's world, that's a deal. Can't say the same about primers. Seeing off brand names for $75-$95/1000. Some CCI "on sale" for ~$89 or so. Give it time, prices will come down. How much is the question.
Absolutely nothing wrong with Federal primers! I began reloading with them over thirty years ago. I have never had a problem with a single handloaded cartridge. They are my primer of choice for the myriad rifle and handgun regular and magnum cartridges I load.
Nothing wrong with the functionality of the primer, but the packaging can be a pain. I have a squeeze loader, the primer tray is smaller than the sleeve. But, these are terrible times for us reloaders. So we take what we can get.
I could be wrong, but I think the Lee reloading handbook indicates that the more explosive/flammable a primer is, the more packaging that is/may be required. If this is true and Federal primers are more explosive, that may explain the larger packaging.
I know they’re def more sensitive.. supposed to have thinner cup thicknesses.. all I can run in some of my lighter spring setups.
Scheels has plenty of powder in Colorado. Feds primers work fine. Xtreem I love and use. Primers are the big seach still.
Federal primers are a bit softer than cci...federals are the absolute best for slicked up revolvers.
cci is federal
@@scottdarling1519 nope thay are not.
Never mind, found them, looks good for some ordering soon!
I was able to score some good powder even during the pandemic but I'm still looking for small pistol primers years later because I still have 2,250 rounds of 9 mm to load and all I need are the primers.
I did get some military primers from CCI for the 556 and one I purchased during the first ammo crunch and then just before the second ammo crunch which was just before the pandemic and the price between those two bricks has literally doubled!
Must have gotten the same deal, I got into the CCI military primers as well. Felt like I had won the lottery. I only wish they weren't gold colored.
Finding large rifle primers is no place to be found.
I build my own rifles then have a liking for wildcat cartridges so I must reload to shoot my guns.
It is so bad the AR 10 upper I have I bought 100 Peterson small primer 308 brass not to being using the large rifle primers in my other cartridge loadings.
My 7 mm Rem mag and 300 Wby mag are collecting dust because I'm not going to use up my large rifle primers.
In the Pacific NW now powered is easy to find and pistol primers are showing up again.
I can remember when 9mm remington for 50 rounds was a little over five dollars a box. we will never see that again. and a brick of 22s for eight dollars a brick on sale. and the funny part is the manufacturer and the store still made money. today it is all about GREED and fear running the prices higher and higher. and people talk about SHTF. if it gets to that point one box is all you need, once you are dead all the ammo in the world will not help you out.
If all u have is 1 box during shtf and u think that’s all u need I’m very certain u would be dead. U would need more than 1 box in 1 fire fight! Vietnam was said to be 10k rds per casualty! I’m sure they were very wasteful but a lot of shooting would be through walls brush cars etc. but if all u want is 1 20 rd box for your rifle and 1 50 rd for your pistol. I’m ok with it!!
It is the feds!
There will be enough weapons on the ground , take your pick.
Today the Central Bank is rigging the run away deficit by buying government debt. You are just a banana republic now. Your "money" has lost more than 98 % of its value vs a gold standard in 35 years and the loss in value will accelerate for the foreseeable future..
My area has small rifle fairly commonly for 95$ a K sometimes LR for 110$ but pistol primers are not very common unless u buy em at 17$ a 100 ! So once their back to reasonable prices I’ll really stock up. I’ve put 6.5 lb springs in my Glock to shoot rifle primers . If I crush em their ok reliable if I don’t crush em then I get light strikes . A hammer gun is best for rifle primers like a beretta so u can double strike if needed.
WOW, $.17/per primer...CRAZY!
funny I was told remington was too thin but only ever had problems with winchester
I want to say over the years I tried a bit of Remington, but CCI/Winchester have been my "go to" primers. The occasional fail to fire (light strike, other reason, etc.) but not enough to take note or change.
Unique is a great powder. I prefer Federal primers because they ignite with trigger jobs.
Federal 100 primers work well with light trigger springs. CCI 500 primers need 16 lb. hammer springs, to ignite every time.
@@ricktaylor3748 is there a primer that is as soft as federal to ignite ??
@@geezerp1982 I've tried them all and nothing else comes nearly as close as Federal. Winchester would be next or any other primer that does not have nickel plating.
@@harrycallahan692 screw it , if i cant get any more federals then i just get a heavier hammer spring , not hard to install atleast
Tear the tabs off the primer box. At least that's my fix for them.
Powder used to be between $8 and 10 per pound
yep and 69 bucs for 8lbs, primers 8 a 1000, bullets 4 bucs a box, 8 for smks 9 for bergers, when I first started reloading
And hookers were $ 2.00. Now you live in a banana republic with a central bank buying the government debt to finance runaway spending. Just like Argentina, Brazil, Venezuela....
I can’t find lrp’s to save my life,got plenty of the rest but only 800 lrp’s left.
For pistol reloading in the Pacific NW pretty much not a problem for bullets - primers - powders and in the woods at shooting spots brass is thrown all over.
What is needed is large rifle primers.
Lots of power types now in the stores by no large rifle primers.
Small rifle primers are showing up .
So not to be using up what large rifle primers I do have I bought 100 Peterson small rifle primer 308 brass for shooting fun.
We are paying the same at the local shop where I live.
You will be fine with the federal primers. I have loaded with them for 42 years & found them to perform just like CCI. I too like CCI packaging much better.
I've found in the reloading space that once a product/vendor (think Lee Precision) takes a hit for whatever reason, the folklore stories never end and no one seems to have direct experience with said issue(s), but instead "heard about it" and just repeats. I'll approach with the open mind. Not concerned at all they will perform fine, just new to me that's all.
The 9mm round is the cheap round that you can buy and are available all over the place this days and i seeing that price keep going down every day. off course you can save when reloading even 9mm but bigger winner and saving is when you are reloading 380,44,45,223,308 and more expensive rounds . me by my self i just shooting 9mm and lucky to have good neighbor that i can use his reloading tools and i bought enough bullet, powder and primers for 8000 rounds but when i run out and if price of 9mm which is now $14 per box stay the same or go more down i will not bother to reload 9mm any more .
Ok , but the gov. Is counting on people relying on their 9's they are armored up , get heavy hitters , 30/06 ,180gr. Either NATO , or spritzer.
I remember $20 per thousand
Be careful you are dating your age🤔😳😂
@@edwardabrams4972 oops did do that 🤣🤣I'm all but 50,, and it wasn't that many years ago I was buying 5.56 for $3 per 20, and 9mm for $8.99 a box,,, I still have fresh 22 mag with $7.95 ,, and it's only like ten years old,, not ancient🤔😎🇺🇸 see the thing is if they can't take our guns they will do wnmhat ever to limit ammo,, the feds have been buying millions and millions or rounds,, where they go nobody knows,,, bit that is why ammo is expensive,,, $40 for a brick of 22lr my ass,,, 10 years ago it was $19, 5 before that it was $9.99 or less,,, 9/11 changed this country on St don't see
It was $30/1000 not too long ago.
I was taking an inventory of my sealed powders and found a one pound can of Unique with a price tag of $16.95.
Ah, those were the days. That would have been pre 2010 if memory serves...maybe even pre 2000 or so.
That's not too bad actually cheap compared to here
Primers are $40 per 100 small rifle primers
And as for powder $140 per kg
We haven't been able to get out hands on primers for abit over 2 years now
What part country do you live in?
At this stage you must simply ask yourself whether you want it or not. Although shipping cost (by conex container is down by a good bit from the high, the manufacturers are still facing high costs for everything from warehouse forklift drivers to copper & lead, increased production labor and, of course, transportation costs that remain high, particularly impacting components sourced overseas. If you don’t buy it quickly someone else will.
Sometimes it's not a want but a need. If I'm out of primers and WANT to visit the range then I NEED to find primers. Simple. Don't like it, but it is what it is. I think the new "norm" when the cough/economic "dust" finally settles we'll see ~$35-40/lb powder and $50/1000 primers. I'm thinking we'll see a return to powder availability a LOT faster than we will for primers unfortunately. Just look at the "normal" price for gas...my area is ~$5.75 for regular. People will pay not because they WANT to drive but because they NEED to drive. Supply and demand.
@@ReLoadersBench Everybody has the right to make a living. A lot of decent suppliers don’t like the prices any more than we do, but it costs them more and they are pricing things accordingly. I don’t have a problem with merchants charging the prevailing market price (event though I don’t like it), but sooner or later the price gougers will get their comeuppance.
As far as pricing stabilizing at a lower level I’m not too optimistic, but at least the prices appear to have stopped going up so dramatically. The availability is ever so slowly improving. Sooner or later the people panic buying will either run out of money or will have purchased all they can justify to themselves.
Every factory rep I’ve spoken with is telling the same thing…they are producing more product than ever and shipping almost daily.
Beware the scammers. When you are desperate, it is all too easy to take risks you never would have under normal circumstances.
@@richardbriscoe8563 - Supply and demand, whether real or manipulated. "Limited" supply and seemingly unlimited demand leads to capitalism at its best (some would say its worst). Once materials/products reach a saturation level, prices will finally drop. After all, one can only buy/stock so much stuff.
Holy cow.. I was beginning to think unique didn’t exist anymore. That’s great! Yeah..the powers that be are certainly taking the perks out of this hobbycraft But if you shoot any other calibers still a decent savings!
Here is what is real crazy in ammo pricing.
I have an AR 10 I did in 6.5-284 Norma I reload for, but the Nosler loaded ammo for 6.5-284 Norma is $145.00!
50 rounds of brass for reloading the 6.5-284 Norma from Nosler is $115.00.
The mother F ers know the 6.5-284 can't be made from any other cartridge so they jack the price up.
I see this also is a problem with new cartridges the companies are jacking up the prices because they know not even the reloader can use another cartridge to resize to make the cartridges for these new cartridges.
The 30-06 or 300 win mag and 300 Wby mag are the basis for so many cartridges or today so when a reloader needs brass and one or the other brass is available just resized and cut then load can turn one cartridge into what your gun can shoot.
I have a 5 gallon bucket of 30-06 - 6 mm Rem - 243 - 7 mm Mauser - some 8 mm Mauser I turn into 308 when I need new brass.
I use 300 win to make 7 mm Rem mag and 338 win mag .
I use 300 Wby mag to make 340 Wby mag ammo
@@Lure-Benson yikes, that’s ridiculous and I agree with you.
yeah my father in law figured he could load his .444 Marlin he’d pay for the equipment and components by the time he bought his second box of 20.
How is that 6.5 Norma to shoot in AR-10? I’ve always been curious about that.
@@RME1911 The 6.5- 284 Norma works perfect in the AR 10 once an adjustable gas block was put on to tame the gas pressure going back into the bolt carrier that is the same as a 270 win or slightly more pressure than the 270.
Before the adjustable gas block, it ripped the case rims off.
factory ammo was made for bolt guns with long actions, so the bullets are seated way out.
Reloads do seat the bullets to the cannelure and fit into AR 10 magazines.
I hunt with using 6.5 156 grain Norma Vulcan or Oryx.
Due to my 26 inch barrel and 6.5- 284 it is quite a bit better than a 270 win if you look at the chronograph readings and the 6.5 bullets are long and slide through the air a little better and the 270 win.
6.5 and 270 use the same bullet weights.
I used a Pac Nor super match 26" barrel so the speed of all bullets is exceeding the 270 wins by 150 fps my chronograph shows me.
This 6.5-284 Norma is the long throat chamber whereas the 6.5-284 win is the short throat chamber, so I have like a free bore for higher pressures using more powder than a 270win
I have accuracy of the best bolt rifles from this AR 10 in 6.5-284 Norma.
I also have AR 10 uppers in 6mm - 284 win and a upper in 375-300 WSM for matching power of the 375 H&H magnums.
The 6mm - 284 is the match in power range to the 6mm-06 both use the same powders and grains of powder.
100 grain bullets traveling at 3900 fps kills animals like hit by a lightning bolt.
58 grain 6 mm travel at 5000fps.
The bark when fired from this 6mm is horrendous!
I build to sell AR 10 uppers.
I have a few photos of my built AR 10 on my Instagram photo's at dwayneb1959
@@RME1911 I've met up with people from TH-cam that found I have the AR 10 in 6 mm - 284 or 6.5 - 284 then I let them shoot the AR 10 with both uppers so if you are around the Portland Oregon area and what to give a try with this AR 10 message for a meeting.
The AR 10 in 375 - 300 WSM I can use because there aren't any 375 bullets or WSM brass any place to be bought
@@Lure-Benson I’m from Eastern OR actually but I do not live anywhere close now, Appreciate the invite and the info i would have never guessed but certainly with the chrono readings I like that velocity and I would assume your bullets choice are holding up to those velocities as well.
Again Good info, thank you for Sharing for I enjoy the AR10 platform and shot .270s most my life, I will keep your info handy.
Yea I agree with you federal primers in the big package is crazy but never had a problem with the primers
Wow, I remember when it was 12.50 a can !!!
Mold your own .356 projectiles way cheaper the velocity is slow so 9mm is perfect for lead. And if u get lead in your barrel a jacketed bullet actually cleans that right out. Lead bullets are very accurate but may shoot to a different point of aim
Pistol powder is easy to come by in pull down surplus usually 22$ a lb so no reason for that. Buy 8-16 lbs so u always have it.
pistol powder is everywhere, rifle powder is finally coming out good...H4350 and N555 is finally out
@@planeiron241 pistol power is not everywhere for 22$ I’ve been getting ball rifle for 18$ a lb
Haha. There are no reloading supplies in local gun shops or pawn shops were I live. If you want supplies you have to order them and pay a premium with haz mat fees and shipping on top of the ridiculous prices they are asking. I just wait until prices return to sanity and if they don't I buy factory ammo. Just not going to pay double or triple what a product is worth. If I put together an order I am going to make it worth my while and the product is going to be priced what its worth, not what its not worth.
I think "sanity" (supplies) retuning to previous levels is a ways off. Will have to reach a saturation point for prices to drop.
Remember, we are in a recession, that is going too get deeper. Costs are not coming down on anything. In fact we are more then likely going into a depression, long before any of this recovers.
Companies need to make a decision on wether or not, their profit or people just not being able to afford their products, is worth the profit range they are asking. Supply and demand are truly what will drive costs. Right now, with the political environment, we will not see a loss of demand!
Just gave 28.95 for Tite group. Small rifle primer 89.00 per thousand. Large pistol was about the same.
I know a lot of people reload to save money and enjoy doing it. I'm not one of those people, I like factory loads. I did buy some reloads from Freedom munitions. These are the absolute worst ammo I have ever shot. They used the least amount of powder as possible and it's very corrosive. I can shoot 30 rounds and wait a week before cleaning my gun and every part that burnt powder has touched turns green. Never had that from factory loads.
As a reloader I can confidently say I've NEVER saved any $$ reloading. I do it for other aspects and will never use someone else's reloads. Disassemble for parts and discard the powder.
The guy who mentored me when I was learning handloading, said two things that I will always remember..."Never shoot or otherwise depend on another man's reloaded cartridge...", and, "There's nothing more gratifying than taking a buck with a cartridge that YOU handloaded for YOUR rifle..." Truer words have never been spoken!
Rest in peace John A. You taught me a lifetime hobby, that has since given me over thirty years thus far of satisfying handloading, hunting, and shooting experiences. One day, we'll be together again, work up another load, and get after 'em on that other shore. ✝️
Heads I learned a new term
and for whatever reason that particular term seems to trigger folks.
I will nevef pay these prices for primers. Not even close. Who do these people think they are. Anyone who pays these prices are crazy and are not helping the rest of us. If no one buys these the price will drop.
So easy to say... but when you’re out of primers and ammo is unavailable then what Einstein? You do you and let others make their own decisions for their own specific reasons.
I have news for you Jon. They're never coming down again to the glory days of $35 per thousand. So unless you have a lifetime supply in stock, I guess you wont ever be using your reloading equipment ever again. My guess is they may after a couple more years come down a bit to around $70
Still cheaper than factory ammo. It’s a relative.
More primers for the rest of us. Your buddy Biden really helped a lot 🤷🏼♂️😂
I buy them at that price hoping Jon can't afford them. 🎅
...1K primers were going for $150 at the West Palm Beach show this past weekend (and he had NO Small Pistol Magnum primers at all I've got 1K of those little bastards)...this dude shows up at practically every show - I've been buying from him for years...he powder was $50 a pound...bought 2 lbs ea of Unique and Bullseye - thankfully he had it...had trouble find that stuff for a long time
$0.15/primer is CRAZY! That's what a commercial round of 9mm used to cost.
@@ReLoadersBench ...yeah...I got there on Sunday afternoon and he still had a plethora of primers on his table...guess most folks felt the same as we do...
You paid too much for primers.
@@kennethmcdonald5278 ...I bought no primers...wouldn't touch them at THAT price...I've got "plenty" of all primers - my late wife bought a bunch in 2018 - the First Great Panic
@@kennethmcdonald5278 - wish I could roll the clock back to 2018!
I started reloading so I could shoot more now i shoot more so I can reload more 🇺🇸
Couldn’t agree more. I’ve often asked myself if I reload to shoot or shoot to reload? I thoroughly enjoy both sides of this equation! I most certainly don’t reload to save money, LOL.
"Heads"??
Yep. Heads, boolits, lead, copper, seeds, freedom seeds...whatever comes to mind.
don't know why you are going thru an FFL for ammo or reloading componets, they can be shipped directly to your house
You obviously live in a FREE state. Look up ammo shipping requirements for CA and that will tell you all you need to know.
it's actually 7000 grains in a pound, not 8000
th-cam.com/video/LzFLMk2uVWg/w-d-xo.html
Large rifle primers , CCI in Canada ...$ 500.00 ! I too use Federal as last resort.
WOW!! That is absolutely CRAZY pricing. I should shut up and be happy with my find/cost.
Canada, your gun industry is already f%€?*¥!! And democrat party in this country wants it like yours. Difference is we have the second amendment. They sure are trying to price us out of ammo though
Well your little dictator Tredeau is killing Canada, much like Bobo Biden is trying to do here in the USA.
What state are you in that you have to have ammo sent to an FFL?
CA
It's almost not even worth reloading 9mm right now. When you do the math you're in it for almost $250 in components per 1000 rounds loaded. That's not factoring in your time spent loading. Well, you can buy 1000 rounds of factory new 9mm for roughly $275. I've stopped loading it. I'm mostly loading .223 and 7.62x39 since I can still save over buying 1000 rounds. And for general plinking out to 100 yards I'm not loading anything spicy or concerned about extreme precision.
With my recent LGS powder purchase, I'm spending $.03 for powder, $.10 for primer and I just bough more boolits for $.07 ea...so that comes to $.20/cpr. 1,000 rounds would cost me ~$200. Factory @ $275 (seeing 9mm on line for $.25-$.30 round, but then you have tax, shipping and an FFL transfer fee for my state) is a wishful thinking price at present. All of a sudden $275 for 1,000 rounds is closer to $350 after taxes and fees...so I'll take my ~$200/1000 any day. I don't factor in the time spent reloading as it's a hobby, not a job. It's also a hobby I enjoy versus one I dread. Just like I don't factor in my time or gas driving all over the place to find ammo in stock at a shop. But, to each their own.
Bullets are bullets, not heads
Call them whatever you like on YOUR channel and in YOUR videos...I'll do the same.
Back before any of this craziness started I would pay $24 for a hundred rounds of either 5.56 or 7.62 x 39.
What the hell is he talking about an FFL fee for ammo?
Ah, you obviously live in a FREE state where you can have ammo ordered online delivered to your home. Been years since we've had that freedom. Our politicians pass restriction after restriction so now we can ONLY purchase ammo at an LGS or if we place an order online the online vendor has be be willing to send the ammo to an FFL (once the FFL has provided proof of license). That luxury costs $30 at my LSG for the "transfer" fee (essentially extortion) and a $1.00 DROS to prove I can legally purchase ammo (NCIS check, paperwork and signature just like I'm buying a pew pew). Also, from a legality standpoint, my best friend (or anyone else for that matter) who wants to either give or sell me ammo can only happen at an FFL. So, that's a LONG winded way of saying ENJOY YOUR AMMO "FREEDOM"...as it probably won't last.
What state do you live in that requires an FFL to ship ammo? I have never been required to have an FFL to receive any ammo.
CA...been a law for a number of years now (since 2018 or 2019). Enjoy being able to receive ammo purchased online delivered to your home while you can, it will go away at some point.
@@ReLoadersBench I do a lot of long distance precision shooting and do more reloading than buying finished ammo. I assumed it was either California, Illinois, or New York.
10$ a 100 seems to be the norm here in WA state.
Pains me to pay it and I've lasted through most of the cough craziness...but my last "stocking" order didn't see the last few years coming....which is why EVERYONE is buying EVERYTHING they can get their hands on. Will prob be another year or two until supplies reach a saturation point where prices fall.
@@ReLoadersBench just waiting for those that bought and now will sell. Got powder at a gun show for a reasonable price, but was probably at least a few years old since it had an older label on it. Paid 25$ for Trueblue.
@@waynohouse74 - Powder Valley has True Blue in stock now @$27.90/lb or 4lb for $100
I remember when they were less than $2 a hundred, when I first started handloading back in the '90s.
Same in Michigan , providing you are dealing with honest people , we have to stick together , and there are people out there taking advantage of the sit. If I knew who they were , and they needed assistance because the wolf was at their door , nope , you are on your own !
They arent heads they are bullets.
My channel, my nomenclature. You can call them whatever you like on your channel and in your videos. I think I'll go and load some clips now.
the wholesalers are responsible for the high prices the manufactures have raised their prices very little.
Corporate greed/Capitalism at its best unfortunately. Just like the gas companies. Obscene profits.
Why primers? I see NO EXCUSE on why these little necessities are rising in price. Most are triple the price several years ago.
Right up their with a gallon of gas. Why? Corporate greed...because they can.
Federal primers are soft. They are unsafe. Even Lee Precision states, in their reloading manual, "Do not use Federal primers in our equipment"
Noted. Good thing I'll be using these with a Dillon.
if we all stiped buying ammo for three months the prices would go down,but you have a fringe group that is hording so they can have a civil war.they do not know how well off they are.
What are xterm heads ? People don't know what bullet is . People don't know the difference between a cartridge and a bullet.
My channel, my syntax. Feel free to call heads whatever you want on your channel and in your videos.
I use fed primers all or most of the time I used them for 40 years or more they work great for me, yes the primer box's are kinda stupid but just take knife or small screw driver and pry the stops up and out of the way that's it, aim small shoot good .
Where did you get the leather for your bench?
Found a local saddle/leather shop and told them what size and "color" (degree of dying). Took FOREVER and in hindsight I'd either find another shop or settle for a "good enough" version on Amazon. It's held up well however and I like the "weathered" look it now has from all my tinkering over the years.
@@ReLoadersBench I’ve been using a Birchwood Casey deerskin handgun mat, but I’ve been looking for something a little bigger and heavier. Unfortunately Illinois doesn’t have many saddle shops though…
22 Cents reloads vs 25 Cents Factory Ammunition.. it’s really all about the Hobby as with most Hobbies it’s not Cheap! Have Fun
I technically can't find factory 9mm for $.25 as there would usually be (for me at least), a shipping charge, tax and FFL "transfer" fee. So 1,000 rounds @ $250 wouldn't actually be $.25/pr, more likely $.32/.33 per round. Reloading is an enjoyable hobby, so I don't look at it as work. I control all aspects and enjoy using what I make. I'll be the first to say reloading doesn't save you ANY money!
There are only 7000 grains in a pound not 8000
7000 grains, 8000 grains, whatever.
@@ReLoadersBench no not whatever 7000 grains dont be a city btch man up to your mistakes. Like any other normal person. Dont go shoving around your ego online giving reloders a bad name
@@awsomedude12345678 - Lighten up Francis. Worry about your own channel and your own videos. Mistakes happen, I misspoke. Big deal, not the end of the f-ing world. OMG. Troll elsewhere.
@@ReLoadersBench ok ill admit I was trolling a little bit. But i only did it because I saw you comment a stupid reply to someone else who pointed it out. Thats my bad i shouldn't be taking advantage of the worst side of people. That aside i wouldn't have know either if i wouldn't have seen that comment.
@@ReLoadersBench oh and btw powder is almost $60 a lb here in eastern PA luckily im stocked for a few yrs
So glad I stocked up on powder and primers a few years ago. I also got the Xtreme bullets in bulk in 2018 or so, so my cost is free brass, .08 cents per round for bullets, 0.15 cents for powder and .03 for primers, so just given inflation from almost 5 years ago you actually did pretty good I think. Living in California I thought there might be more BS restrictions from the state coming, so was ahead of the curve for once.
I see you figured out your cost for powder is actually 0.35 each as you’re getting 1400 rounds out of the pound, but please don’t call the bullets “heads” ok? 🤔😳.
One suggestion, even though it shoots a bit dirty I love Unique, but you can get 350 more rounds per pound of powder by switching to Titegroup. Instead of 1400 rounds at 5 grains, that’s 1750 rounds at 4 grains per round. I understand you bought what you can find, but just in case you get lucky!
Are you talking about barnesx? A very deviststing rd.
7000g in a pound not 8000
have a search through the comments and see how many others were kind enough to point that out...
Primarily. I see what you did there.
"It is what it is" is what every loser on Judge Judy says. I think the ammo companies are making so much military ammo they have no time whatsoever for reloading supplies. I heard in August that the earliest that any primers would be available would be some time in January. January's not far off. Lets hope-
Maybe available early next year in greater supply, but for price to drop so too does demand. I don't see demand dropping for a while, kind of like .22lr from 2012-2017. Price for .22lr FINALLY fell to $.03/cpr in 2019...then the cough hit in 2020. The manipulation rollercoaster!
Who did you order those 9mm bullets from?
Glad you found them. I like their 1,500 in an ammo can “package” for $137.50 shipped and they ship deliver wicked fast.
You need to make some pew-pew's. Merry Christmas to you :-))
While I'm enjoying a glass of holiday tea!
@@ReLoadersBench CHEERS :-D
just saying...there are 7000 grains in a pound...lol
Common core math rounding error ;-) Practicing for my government accounting job.
Argh! Pet peave...They aren't heads, they are bullets. Primer + case + powder + bullet = cartridge. No head....🙂
Then you probably won't like (had to make it) my response video to all those who don't like my math or word choice...
when primers were twenty dollars a hundred i could buy 9mm for twenty dollars a box .could buy them for what it cost load them.go figure!
Ffl charge never heard of that one 🖕🏼🖕🏼🖕🏼
Then you clearly don’t live in CA...
So buying ammo under brandon is like a drug deal.
Met in a populated place, morning sun, nothing to hide as all was/is legal, so prob not.
Been reloading for 50 years this is the worst I've ever seen it somebody's making a lot of money but I know it's not me
Congratulations to 50 years of reloading! I first got interested in reloading in 1984, but didn't actually "pull the trigger" (bad pun) until much later in life. Glad I finally did. Agreed, we been through a number of "events" that have made things challenging over the years and this is, IMO, the worst it's been.
probably because of sodding Ukraine !
7000
8000, 7000 whatever. I was technically only off one digit!
@@ReLoadersBench now, now you just lost a viewer
@@tonydevich7937 - Bye bye and take care. And for all those FREAKING out over 8000/7000 grains, that equates to a .036 vs .031 (5/1000) price difference in my calculations...BFD. Get over it.
At least you can get primers and powder,here in Australia theres no large rifle primers and gun powder is almost non exsistent!
If you reload buy as much as you can if you don't ammo is always a good investment and you can always sell ammo components! Other wise find another hobby cause it never gonna get better America is already in the rear view mirror!
Damn near non existent. Thank you demonrats for one again making an enjoyable sport extint
The gov. Wants win. Cci. Federal , to put a shelf life on primers , and powder , I have powder and primers from the 90's , and I use them with no problems. I would not take a chance , and stand in front of my rifle while shooting that old powder , and primers , I use WWIi ammo in my Mausers.
Good to hear ~30 year old powder/primers are still good. Investment protection! Your powder value might have appreciated better than your 401k ;-)
federal primers suck....thinnest cup !!
you're a reloader & you think you have 8k gns in that canister?.....
OMFG, I miss spoke and quoted 8k instead of 7k...WOW I should just stop reloading right this MINUTE. I just won’t be able to trust myself going forward so I’ll need to find a new hobby. Maybe I can be a YT troll.
Love the chanel! Not just because I like reloading and have been doing it off and on for 60 years but because I love all the haters and stupid idiot comments just makes me want to roll over laughing 🤔😳😂
@@edwardabrams4972 - Thanks. I always get a kick out of the more "interesting" comments...to the point I have to toss back some of their logic/perspective so they hopefully realize how petty they are being. The keyboard warriors with the harshest comments are also usually the ones that have ZERO content on their own channel. Their parents must not have taught them the lesson about people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...