I’ve been paying attention and watching this through dozens of rifles over two decades and I can tell you he is completely spot on and correct without a doubt. Well done Mark.
Im a 33 year veteran diesel technician. I listen to you videos while I build motors to relieve the tedium of repetitive activity. Plus I hand load ad so on. I watch podcasts from hornady, vortex, Eric cortina...... I have to say that as an chanel thats not grossly sponsored your Chanel is top shelf. I dont have a lot of money to contribute but i can say thank you for the time and effort you and your lady put into this.
Just found your channel. I'm very impressed with it. I've been a reloader for years and never give any of this any thought. Thanks for making it clear.
I had an unusual issue with a 6.5x284. It was at the end of it's life at 1200 rounds. Cases were indicating low pressure (soot all the way to the rim) and high pressure (stiff bolt and shinny ejector swipe) at the same time. My theory is the very worn throat was not allowing pressure to build up until the bullet traveled a few inches then the bullet stopped until rapidly building pressure got it moving again. I've never seen that before or since and I've been reloading 50 years. Replaced the barrel with no further issues.
Yes, I had a very old 30-30 passed down to me and a normal 42k psi load would blacken but a 165gr Hornady boat tail with a stiff load of 4198 would not (the same load I used in my Contender). Incredibly it was very accurate. Annealing is also imperative.
Thanks Mark great explanation. As this residue is more like soot than baked on carbon, what I have been utilizing is a very small amount from a product known as Ballistol oil spray on a rag/tissue and then I just rotate the neck onto the rag, usually only requires one or 2 turns of the case; no scrubbing and necks come out spotless.
I came across your channel some years back, and it’s still one of the best I’ve seen. Straight forward, no bull, easy to understand, and super informative. Keep up the good work!
Funny you did this video just a week after I was trying to explain to a fellow shooter at my club. Will forward it to him as you explained it in greater detail. 👍👍 His issue is he might be over sizing the shoulder bump a bit too much as the carbon burn is also down the sides of the case.
@markandsamafterwork you're welcome. You two have taught me so much throughout the years. I always show your videos to people who say certain rounds can only go so far.
Interesting. Thank You. I tell people to always save brass, whether they reload or not. Cases tell a story. An example would be, someone tells me they're getting misfires. I ask, " do you have a fired case"? "Noooo". You try to help.
Another excellent explanation Mark.. Thanks. I've hand loaded everything for two barrels in my 6.5 X 47L. Last summer I purchased factory Lapua ammunition for the first time ever for this caliber. The fired rounds came out perfectly clean at the neck! Which I scratched my head over. Im guessing the factory stuff was crimped. It grouped very very well but was almost 100 fps slower than my handholds with the same bullet. So I have lowered velocity in my handholds and they group amazingly!
I run a lot of lower pressure, AA5744, in 45/70 and they soot up pretty good. If I switch to Unique it’s such a fast burner I don’t have any soot at all. Great info session as always thank you!
Great explanation of the issues and reasons for sooty necks. My 6mm REM Ruger No1 always gives slightly discoloured necks. I use full charges of RL22 which is on the slow side but with 100gr bullets I get half MOA groups so I’m not too worried about the neck colouration issue.
I have had low pressure cause gas to move past the bolt and spit in my face. The answers are as you mentioned increase pressure and or soften the brass by annealing it. Driving pressure up can be done by crimping, by raising the charge and by reducing case capacity via use of fillers. Fillers also keep charge pushed against the powder.
Thank you Mark, I’ve been having this issue for a while, particularly with ADI brass even after I’ve annealed it. It seems to be a very fine line between dirty necks and clean but with signs of pressure. Your video has really given me something to work with, thanks so much.
I agree Mark. For peoples info, I believe you need to remove this black soot (Carbon), off your cases, prior to resizing these cases. The reason I suggest this is, this Carbon (on your cases) is actually harder than your steel of your reloading die, so it can actually scratch the inside of your resizing die. So, how do I remove this carbon? I wipe it off with a clean rag, or if there is a lot of carbon, as you suggested, I also use a well used/worn 3M Scotch Brite pad, that I have on my reloading bench. Hope that helps. JB
Thanks for sharing. When I started reloading, 1981. I couldn't afford a rifle. My monthly income was $309. Yep, Army pay. I started working a second job on the weekends and after hours. It all helped. After about a year, I bought my first large rifle, Inter Arms Mauser, Mark X, 30-06. That was my learning rifle. I later bought a single stage RCBS press and thus begun my reloading. Annealing wasn't a big thing back then, but the black soot at the case mouth was. I certainly did split a few case mouths after 10 or so firings. Then I started annealing. At that time, I was only concerned with shooting out to 200 - 300 yards. It wasn't until I started out to 500 yards that I started paying attention to neck tension, bullet seating depth and annealing. At that time, 500 yards was a long shot, but now its like a chip shot. Now, everything plays a part, powder temp, neck tension, powder burn rate, Ojive, Flat base vrs boat tail. I met a guy at the range, Fort Carson Colorado. When he pulled the trigger, it was a large boom. So I paid attention to his next shot. He had prepared his brass at home, cleaned resided and primed. At the range, he would dip his 300 Win Mag brass into a tub of powder till the case was full to the neck. Hand seat a 180 grain bullet with his hand press, load and fire. Thats how he loaded his ammo. That was 40 years ago and I have not forgotten him. Not that I follow his lead, cause I didn't. Anyway, I enjoyed your video. Thank you to share.
I've put some of this down to powder burn speed. Slower burn, black necks. Faster burn, clean(er) necks. This also affects pressures. Thank you for this content! 👍
Very well explained Mark. Personally I never experienced this phenomenon much when I was shooting, but then I was using the notoriously high pressure.45 ACP! Seriously though, speed of initial pressure rise, neck tension, even things like bullet inertia will affect all of this, as you explained. Thanks for another good video!
I saw the title for this yesterday and just got back from the range this morning. I noticed my brass was black around the neck on my new .308 AR10. I made a cup of coffee and had to watch this, and I feel better now. 😂
I have experienced the gas 'blow by' to discolor brass. I long ago figured out it was 'blow by' doing the effect. However, I didn't realize the lower beginning of the powder charge the effect happens. Good information and good video. Slower powders are more prone. I prefer slower powders in my rifles to accommodate heavier bullets. I can live with more careful cleaning. I do anneal rifle brass every five firings or so. Thanks for the real information.
Hi Mark, I fired and resized 5 times and scrapped the brass, didn't want to experience case separation. Didn't know you could anneal the brass, thanks for the info.
Completely makes sense to me. I see the carbon discoloration on the necks of my 300 Weatherby much more than I do with my tight-chambered 270WSM. The Weatherby has some freebore in the throat where the WSM is usually right on the lands, depending on bullet I'm using. Great video, as always!
A great explanation and details. Perhaps worth mentioning that perfect seals around the bullet and cartridge are impractical otherwise it would be impossible to load and unload the gun, let alone fire a bullet along the barrel. There will always be some small gap where high pressure gas will blow by.
I have brass that I use that I got from my dad after he used it for about 25 years and I've had it for probably the last 20 years the cals are 270 and 22-250 most of it is Remington and some win
I've had overly sooty cases from using powder that's too slow. For example, I once loaded 55gr FMJBT in the 5.56 NATO using VitaVouri N135 powder. The load was as compressed as I could make it and they were heavily crimped. I had soot all the way down the side of the case onto the case head and covering the primer on some cases. I knew after firing a few this wasn't acceptable and I couldn't keep shooting them but here's the interesting part. The load was superbly accurate and the ES was pretty good. My velocities were around 3050 fps out of a 16.5" carbine. Thanks for covering this topic, I haven't heard it discussed in this detail before.
When I was a young shooter, I would polish my brass cases and get them looking like new, but now I really don't care how the brass looks, as long as it works. (: Age has a way of making you understand the important things in life.
Hi mark thanks again for your time and wisdom great video,very well explained as always mate,I’ve had similar signs with my 6mm ppc USA under loading by 1.5 grains to save components etc shows signs of soot at the case neck.hope Sam and yourself are well great job guys Regards Dave 👍
I had it experimenting with magnum primers in a worn out 243. Powder shortages in the UK so I was using Ramshot Hunter (ball) powder. 243 barrel after 4000 shots was probably smoothbore for a fair bit but the same load with standard primers wasn't as bad.
Yep! I agree as to crimp versus non crimp, I had an issue and realized it was also head space and slight carbon buildup on an old 30-06. My brother borrowed my rifle and when I got it back was when I first noticed it but he also ruined rifles crown because rifle never shot the same. I went from a sub MOA to bullets all over the place.
I'm running at the upper limit of pressure, and I still get this black on the neck 223 rem 80gr sierra matchking with 24.5gr varget cci br4 primer lapua brass
Yes, I do see more on low powered loads. I do very light loads for practice and harvesting live stock. 30/06 at ≈1,000 fps with 110 grain cast bullets.
I like to use H4895 for reduced recoil loads in my 300 Weatherby. I can plink all day long using that power and 150-grain bullets, but if I go too low, the necks will not seal, and soot will blow back all the way to the belt. If the soot is too thick, it can be difficult, if not impossible, to remove. It seems to impregnate the brass.
I have been resizing my brass to the point that I just barely engage the shoulder or the sloped part of the case just aft of the neck. This has seemed to help even if I’m using a powder that might not burn efficiently. I rely on the lowest shot to shot deviation. That usually gives me the best groups.
Wow. That was excellent. Lucid, well executed and overall great presentation. Thank you! Having been a hand loader for almost forty years I have experienced this condition in most “cases” (pun intended) you describe! Your newest subscriber, Vince
What I've noticed with my brass is more carbon present when using double-base powders, especially ball powders. So two ways to get around this is to use single base powders or nickel-plated brass. Besides that, everything was spot on. Great info!
Sometimes , light loaded straight wall cases will soot like that for me...but where I see it most is when I am fire forming brass for my wildcat cartridges. The time it takes the brass take the shape of the chamber, lets it get exposed more...especially the cartridges that headspace on the rim.
I have also seen a reduction in carbon on necks when using hotter primers. Makes sense that the extra pressure early on would cause quicker chamber sealing.
I couldn’t find any videos to address this problem. Purchased a new rifle recently and it seems to be a lot of carbon on the neck and some on shoulders. This video will presents a lot more options to help reduce this issue. Thanks for info.
Is it possible to not resize your brass and just fire form it? If you are using it in the same chamber. Would that solve seal problems without compromising accuracy without causing stuck cases? Would that also possibly reduce the need for annealing the brass since it would be worked less?
I have done a bit of machining in my life time, Basically I would say your skirting the main problem If gasses are escaping back at the neck of the brass, Then I would say that the chamber of the barrel was made a little on the lose side But who am I to say, since i'm no exert gun machinist But when brass comes out clean, I would be pointing my finger at the chamber.
if you're shooting once fired brass from the military every full automatic weapon has huge chamber clearance sometimes as much as 0.015 clearance. bolt action rifles have usually less than five. resizing with full-length dies after using 556 from military ranges it never gets stressed that much again.
@@willfriar8054 Yes I would agree, because temperatures rise radically and that changes tolerances and can tighten and loosen where it should not be And that may also be a reason why bullets get sprayed every which where when rapid firring is in place and many targets get missed except at close range,
My custom built falling block chambered in 223 does this with 4198 but still has produced some five shot groups in the .2’s 3’s and will average 1/2 inch 100 yard groups, so while informative it’s not a big deal.
Have a little short barreled savage 110, chambered in 7mm-08 . This particular rifle has done this since day 1 . Does it with factory , and hand loaded rounds, seems like it likes certain brass better than others? The little rifle shoots excellent, so never let it concern me much, just clean it up and move on.
The brass case becomes a seal. It must be consistent in sealing the chamber to keep the gas from escaping through the bolt side of the breech which helps in consistency of your accuracy.
Hi, Mark and thanx , I now understand why I also suffer of blackened case neck,uh... matter of fact I never crimp my reloaded ammo, so I guess this must be most of the problem, which, in my opinion ignites another problem about the crimping torque.. in order to have it even, is there any DYNO that you can screw on the press shaft.. ? I think it were no bad idea to have one.. hi
With a 300PRC w/N570 I got good performance but horrible soot - H1K, retumbo, N565 were all good. But in a 300NM w/same powder/primer my barrel/chamber were nicely clean.
Not to knock your statement of gas getting in front of the bullet as shown in your high speed video. I’ve found it also to be common, and especially with surplus guns, to have the rifling eroded at the muzzle. I suppose this is the result of repeated cleanings, sawing with a steel rod, from the muzzle. This is easily found with gauge pins, and remedied by moving the muzzle back the distance of the length in the wobble of the gauge pin and recrowning. I brought this up, as I suspect it may also be a factor in the gas getting ahead of the bullet, in your high speed video. Thanks for sharing. Cheers
Crown has a big effect on accuracy, but no effect on the necks an little to no effect on gas getting in front of the bullet, but yes that is a way to fix a poor crown, Cheers
I always see this kind of blow-by in my hand-loaded 45 Colt cartridges. They have usually very little propellant in them (originally a black powder cartridge) and almost the entire case is black after firing.
Thanks Mark & Sam. Could I ask if you have discussed bullet jump / gap to the lands? Is this a somewhat standard you use with your loads? Love your channel. 🤟☮️🇦🇺😎👍 Joel
There’s a product called carbon killer that works well for this. Been loading since 70’s and never gave it much thought, just tumble my brass and keep chamber clean. I’ve gone on several trips shooting prairie dogs shooting 3-400 rds a day for 8-10 days and clean bore every 40-50 rds and have never had any issues.
I’ve been paying attention and watching this through dozens of rifles over two decades and I can tell you he is completely spot on and correct without a doubt. Well done Mark.
Thanks Man, Cheers
Im a 33 year veteran diesel technician. I listen to you videos while I build motors to relieve the tedium of repetitive activity. Plus I hand load ad so on. I watch podcasts from hornady, vortex, Eric cortina...... I have to say that as an chanel thats not grossly sponsored your Chanel is top shelf. I dont have a lot of money to contribute but i can say thank you for the time and effort you and your lady put into this.
Thank you sir, glad you like, Cheers and all the best.
As usual, you are a fucking legend, mate. Solid, concise, and informative.
Thanks Man, Cheers
Never knew gas got around the bullet. Thanks Brother.
Clarity, physics, logic, why weren't you teaching at my school?! Well done Mark, another gem!
Lol, thanks man, Cheers
Just found your channel. I'm very impressed with it. I've been a reloader for years and never give any of this any thought. Thanks for making it clear.
Thanks Danny, Cheers
This, in my opinion, is your best explanation on such matters. I always wondered about that carbon ring. Thanks Mark.
Thanks John, glad you liked, Cheers
I had an unusual issue with a 6.5x284. It was at the end of it's life at 1200 rounds. Cases were indicating low pressure (soot all the way to the rim) and high pressure (stiff bolt and shinny ejector swipe) at the same time. My theory is the very worn throat was not allowing pressure to build up until the bullet traveled a few inches then the bullet stopped until rapidly building pressure got it moving again. I've never seen that before or since and I've been reloading 50 years. Replaced the barrel with no further issues.
Thanks Man
Yes, I had a very old 30-30 passed down to me and a normal 42k psi load would blacken but a 165gr Hornady boat tail with a stiff load of 4198 would not (the same load I used in my Contender). Incredibly it was very accurate. Annealing is also imperative.
Thank you for sharing your experience.
I’m sure it will help others .
Thanks Mark and Sam. I’m not a shooter, never owned a gun, but I really enjoy your videos and have shared them with several mates. Big thumbs up👍👍👍👍
Cheers man, thanks
You explain this very well. Excellent.
Thanks Rob
Thanks Mark great explanation. As this residue is more like soot than baked on carbon, what I have been utilizing is a very small amount from a product known as Ballistol oil spray on a rag/tissue and then I just rotate the neck onto the rag, usually only requires one or 2 turns of the case; no scrubbing and necks come out spotless.
Yes, for normal amounts, same here, Cheers
Auto spell check gets me every time, LoL I edited my post the product I utilize is Ballistol not Ballistic.@@markandsamafterwork
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I came across your channel some years back, and it’s still one of the best I’ve seen. Straight forward, no bull, easy to understand, and super informative. Keep up the good work!
Cheers Man, thanks
Funny you did this video just a week after I was trying to explain to a fellow shooter at my club. Will forward it to him as you explained it in greater detail. 👍👍 His issue is he might be over sizing the shoulder bump a bit too much as the carbon burn is also down the sides of the case.
Cheers Man, thanks
Thanks for the new video brother. I've been watching for almost a decade now. I show this channel to all my shooting friends. We love your content.
Thank you, all our best man, Cheers
@markandsamafterwork you're welcome. You two have taught me so much throughout the years. I always show your videos to people who say certain rounds can only go so far.
Interesting. Thank You. I tell people to always save brass, whether they reload or not. Cases tell a story. An example would be, someone tells me they're getting misfires. I ask, " do you have a fired case"? "Noooo". You try to help.
Thanks Rob
@@markandsamafterwork Very interesting information. I learned some things. Thanks again.
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Another excellent explanation Mark.. Thanks. I've hand loaded everything for two barrels in my 6.5 X 47L. Last summer I purchased factory Lapua ammunition for the first time ever for this caliber. The fired rounds came out perfectly clean at the neck! Which I scratched my head over. Im guessing the factory stuff was crimped. It grouped very very well but was almost 100 fps slower than my handholds with the same bullet. So I have lowered velocity in my handholds and they group amazingly!
Thanks Man
I run a lot of lower pressure, AA5744, in 45/70 and they soot up pretty good. If I switch to Unique it’s such a fast burner I don’t have any soot at all. Great info session as always thank you!
Thanks Man
Always good information. Succinct and to the point. Thank you.
Thanks Man
Mark, you run a top notch channel. Thanks for all the great information from A-Z for precision long range shooting.
Cheers Man, thanks
Thanks again, Mark. I always find your talks interesting and informative. Much appreciated.
Thanks David
Thanks Mark .
Working up loads with 2206H 100gr 6.5SE load, I had a lot of carbon on the mid pressure loads . Its good to know why .
Thanks Paul
Great explanation of the issues and reasons for sooty necks. My 6mm REM Ruger No1 always gives slightly discoloured necks. I use full charges of RL22 which is on the slow side but with 100gr bullets I get half MOA groups so I’m not too worried about the neck colouration issue.
Thanks Paul, Cheers
I have had low pressure cause gas to move past the bolt and spit in my face. The answers are as you mentioned increase pressure and or soften the brass by annealing it. Driving pressure up can be done by crimping, by raising the charge and by reducing case capacity via use of fillers. Fillers also keep charge pushed against the powder.
Thanks Man
Thank you Mark, I’ve been having this issue for a while, particularly with ADI brass even after I’ve annealed it. It seems to be a very fine line between dirty necks and clean but with signs of pressure. Your video has really given me something to work with, thanks so much.
Thanks Man
Half way through watching and had flash backs to ''The Curiosity Show'', great explanations mate.
Lol, Cheers Greg, thanks
I agree Mark. For peoples info, I believe you need to remove this black soot (Carbon), off your cases, prior to resizing these cases. The reason I suggest this is, this Carbon (on your cases) is actually harder than your steel of your reloading die, so it can actually scratch the inside of your resizing die. So, how do I remove this carbon? I wipe it off with a clean rag, or if there is a lot of carbon, as you suggested, I also use a well used/worn 3M Scotch Brite pad, that I have on my reloading bench. Hope that helps. JB
Thanks John, Cheers
I've found unique case lube cleans the soot rather easily.
Thanks for sharing. When I started reloading, 1981. I couldn't afford a rifle. My monthly income was $309. Yep, Army pay. I started working a second job on the weekends and after hours. It all helped. After about a year, I bought my first large rifle, Inter Arms Mauser, Mark X, 30-06. That was my learning rifle. I later bought a single stage RCBS press and thus begun my reloading. Annealing wasn't a big thing back then, but the black soot at the case mouth was. I certainly did split a few case mouths after 10 or so firings. Then I started annealing. At that time, I was only concerned with shooting out to 200 - 300 yards. It wasn't until I started out to 500 yards that I started paying attention to neck tension, bullet seating depth and annealing. At that time, 500 yards was a long shot, but now its like a chip shot. Now, everything plays a part, powder temp, neck tension, powder burn rate, Ojive, Flat base vrs boat tail. I met a guy at the range, Fort Carson Colorado. When he pulled the trigger, it was a large boom. So I paid attention to his next shot. He had prepared his brass at home, cleaned resided and primed. At the range, he would dip his 300 Win Mag brass into a tub of powder till the case was full to the neck. Hand seat a 180 grain bullet with his hand press, load and fire. Thats how he loaded his ammo. That was 40 years ago and I have not forgotten him. Not that I follow his lead, cause I didn't. Anyway, I enjoyed your video. Thank you to share.
Thanks Man, cheers
I've put some of this down to powder burn speed. Slower burn, black necks. Faster burn, clean(er) necks. This also affects pressures. Thank you for this content! 👍
Cheers
Very well explained Mark. Personally I never experienced this phenomenon much when I was shooting, but then I was using the notoriously high pressure.45 ACP! Seriously though, speed of initial pressure rise, neck tension, even things like bullet inertia will affect all of this, as you explained. Thanks for another good video!
Thanks Geoff, Cheers
I saw the title for this yesterday and just got back from the range this morning. I noticed my brass was black around the neck on my new .308 AR10. I made a cup of coffee and had to watch this, and I feel better now. 😂
Lol, Cheers man
I have experienced the gas 'blow by' to discolor brass. I long ago figured out it was 'blow by' doing the effect. However, I didn't realize the lower beginning of the powder charge the effect happens. Good information and good video.
Slower powders are more prone. I prefer slower powders in my rifles to accommodate heavier bullets. I can live with more careful cleaning. I do anneal rifle brass every five firings or so.
Thanks for the real information.
Thanks Man, Cheers
Hi Mark, I fired and resized 5 times and scrapped the brass, didn't want to experience case separation. Didn't know you could anneal the brass, thanks for the info.
Cheers Will
I use a straightened paper clip with a 1/8" bend (L) on the end and run it into the case to see if the case is thinning above the base!
I've gone over 20 reloads on Lapua for F class competition by annealing. Use paper clip method below or bore scope to inspect.
Completely makes sense to me. I see the carbon discoloration on the necks of my 300 Weatherby much more than I do with my tight-chambered 270WSM. The Weatherby has some freebore in the throat where the WSM is usually right on the lands, depending on bullet I'm using. Great video, as always!
Thanks Man
A great explanation and details. Perhaps worth mentioning that perfect seals around the bullet and cartridge are impractical otherwise it would be impossible to load and unload the gun, let alone fire a bullet along the barrel. There will always be some small gap where high pressure gas will blow by.
Thanks Man
I have brass that I use that I got from my dad after he used it for about 25 years and I've had it for probably the last 20 years the cals are 270 and 22-250 most of it is Remington and some win
Thanks Man
I've had overly sooty cases from using powder that's too slow. For example, I once loaded 55gr FMJBT in the 5.56 NATO using VitaVouri N135 powder. The load was as compressed as I could make it and they were heavily crimped. I had soot all the way down the side of the case onto the case head and covering the primer on some cases. I knew after firing a few this wasn't acceptable and I couldn't keep shooting them but here's the interesting part. The load was superbly accurate and the ES was pretty good. My velocities were around 3050 fps out of a 16.5" carbine. Thanks for covering this topic, I haven't heard it discussed in this detail before.
Thanks Man, Cheers
When I was a young shooter, I would polish my brass cases and get them looking like new, but now I really don't care how the brass looks, as long as it works. (: Age has a way of making you understand the important things in life.
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Great video👍. I am fairly new to reloading and you answered my question. Thank you
Cheers
Add a suppressor to a semi-auto, and it is all painted black. Gratuitous song reference.
Another concise, well explained video. Thank you.
Thanks Digger
With piston + flow through can I get still glossy brass.
Hi mark thanks again for your time and wisdom great video,very well explained as always mate,I’ve had similar signs with my 6mm ppc USA under loading by 1.5 grains to save components etc shows signs of soot at the case neck.hope Sam and yourself are well great job guys
Regards Dave 👍
Thanks Dave, Cheers Man
Hmm. Makes sense when you explain it. Information received.
Thanks for doing what you do.
Cheers Thom, thanks
Great bit of information…especially the relation to crimping and case fill.
Thanks Bob
Amazing stuff, Mark, as always. Thank you.
Cheers Man, thanks
I had it experimenting with magnum primers in a worn out 243. Powder shortages in the UK so I was using Ramshot Hunter (ball) powder. 243 barrel after 4000 shots was probably smoothbore for a fair bit but the same load with standard primers wasn't as bad.
Lol, cheers
All of my 308 subsonic loads come out looking like that. It worried me a little bit. Thanks for explaining the reasons.
Cheers Man
GREAT VIDEO MARK ... !!!!!! WELL EXPLAINED ... !!!!!! DOUBLE G. !!!!
Thanks Gary
Stop shouting Gary..😂
Yep! I agree as to crimp versus non crimp, I had an issue and realized it was also head space and slight carbon buildup on an old 30-06. My brother borrowed my rifle and when I got it back was when I first noticed it but he also ruined rifles crown because rifle never shot the same. I went from a sub MOA to bullets all over the place.
Lol, thanks Man, Cheers
I'm running at the upper limit of pressure, and I still get this black on the neck 223 rem 80gr sierra matchking with 24.5gr varget cci br4 primer lapua brass
As said, more than just a pressure issue, Cheers
Thanks Mark. YT did a survey question on if this was a good recommendation for me.
Awesome, Cheers Charles
Thanks for sharing this information. 👍🇺🇸
Thanks Dwayne
Yes, I do see more on low powered loads. I do very light loads for practice and harvesting live stock. 30/06 at ≈1,000 fps with 110 grain cast bullets.
Thanks Paul
I didn't think that it was a problem, but,thanks for the video explaining what actually happens, interesting to know
Cheers
Always interesting to listen to you. In my early days of shooting this info was hard to find.
Thanks Man
I like to use H4895 for reduced recoil loads in my 300 Weatherby. I can plink all day long using that power and 150-grain bullets, but if I go too low, the necks will not seal, and soot will blow back all the way to the belt. If the soot is too thick, it can be difficult, if not impossible, to remove. It seems to impregnate the brass.
Thanks John, Cheers
I have been resizing my brass to the point that I just barely engage the shoulder or the sloped part of the case just aft of the neck. This has seemed to help even if I’m using a powder that might not burn efficiently. I rely on the lowest shot to shot deviation. That usually gives me the best groups.
Cheers
Wow. That was excellent. Lucid, well executed and overall great presentation. Thank you! Having been a hand loader for almost forty years I have experienced this condition in most “cases” (pun intended) you describe! Your newest subscriber, Vince
Thank you Vince, Cheers
Great video, very informative, thanks!
Cheers
I noticed this on my new 7mm PRC with the 175 gr ELD-X. All 18 rounds so far.
Thanks Ian, Cheers
Good all round info. Just reloading my 6.5 Creedmore. A new perspective on what to look for to be consistent. Thank you.
Thanks Peter
You a great teacher
Cheers Ian, thanks
Thank You for sharing. I wasn’t aware of this or how gun powder worked
Thanks Man
Thank you. Knowledge is a good thing.
Thanks Man
Here for this education! Great info as always 🤝
Thanks man
Very Clear. Thanks Mark
Cheers
Thanks for sharing Mark.Enjoyed
Awesome, Cheers
What I've noticed with my brass is more carbon present when using double-base powders, especially ball powders. So two ways to get around this is to use single base powders or nickel-plated brass. Besides that, everything was spot on. Great info!
Cheers
Sometimes , light loaded straight wall cases will soot like that for me...but where I see it most is when I am fire forming brass for my wildcat cartridges. The time it takes the brass take the shape of the chamber, lets it get exposed more...especially the cartridges that headspace on the rim.
Cheers
When I get that, it is usually time to anneal or look at increasing the neck tension.
Thanks Man
I have also seen a reduction in carbon on necks when using hotter primers. Makes sense that the extra pressure early on would cause quicker chamber sealing.
Yep, thanks man
Relevance as usual Mark thx!
Cheers Man
Thanks Mark. Good stuff.
Thanks Jack
Video came at the perfect time. Been having this with my 7mm-08 and wondering what was going on and how much of a problem it was.
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I’ve noticed this with factory Sako 50 gr in 223 but not so much with Sako 55 gr
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Correct, the sake 50 gr is the dirtiest 223 I’ve ever put through my rifle, very accurate though ! The 50 gr varmint by Sako is not dirty at sll
At 3:50 the flame in front of the bullet is unburnt powder igniting. The air/fuel ratio is correct for combustion.
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Good stuff to think about! Thanks!
Thanks John
I couldn’t find any videos to address this problem. Purchased a new rifle recently and it seems to be a lot of carbon on the neck and some on shoulders. This video will presents a lot more options to help reduce this issue. Thanks for info.
Awesome, thanks Charles
Fantastic buddy, Makes great sense😎
Thanks Bill
Great content thanks for sharing. Very informative
Thanks John
Is it possible to not resize your brass and just fire form it? If you are using it in the same chamber. Would that solve seal problems without compromising accuracy without causing stuck cases? Would that also possibly reduce the need for annealing the brass since it would be worked less?
You still need to neck size, so not much in it, Cheers
I have done a bit of machining in my life time,
Basically I would say your skirting the main problem
If gasses are escaping back at the neck of the brass,
Then I would say that the chamber of the barrel was made a little on the lose side
But who am I to say, since i'm no exert gun machinist
But when brass comes out clean,
I would be pointing my finger at the chamber.
Nope, maybe watch the video, all explained, Cheers
if you're shooting once fired brass from the military every full automatic weapon has huge chamber clearance sometimes as much as 0.015 clearance. bolt action rifles have usually less than five. resizing with full-length dies after using 556 from military ranges it never gets stressed that much again.
@@willfriar8054 Yes I would agree, because temperatures rise radically and that changes tolerances and can tighten and loosen where it should not be
And that may also be a reason why bullets get sprayed every which where when rapid firring is in place and many targets get missed except at close range,
My custom built falling block chambered in 223 does this with 4198 but still has produced some five shot groups in the .2’s 3’s and will average 1/2 inch 100 yard groups, so while informative it’s not a big deal.
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Great Explanation Mark Thank You 😀😊 😊👍🏼
Thanks Chris
I get this constantly with most factory ammo on my favorite hunting rifle , 7mm rm from weatherby . But it’s a shooter so I ain’t messing with it
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Excellent content, thank you!
Thanks Shane
Have a little short barreled savage 110, chambered in 7mm-08 .
This particular rifle has done this since day 1 .
Does it with factory , and hand loaded rounds, seems like it likes certain brass better than others?
The little rifle shoots excellent, so never let it concern me much, just clean it up and move on.
Thanks Man
Good description.
Thanks Man
Very informative!
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Great stuff as always👍👍👍
Thanks Jeremy
Thanks for the lesson!
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The brass case becomes a seal. It must be consistent in sealing the chamber to keep the gas from escaping through the bolt side of the breech which helps in consistency of your accuracy.
As mentioned, Cheers
Very well said.
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Hi, Mark and thanx , I now understand why I also suffer of blackened case neck,uh... matter of fact I never crimp my reloaded ammo, so I guess this must be most of the problem, which, in my opinion ignites another problem about the crimping torque.. in order to have it even, is there any DYNO that you can screw on the press shaft.. ? I think it were no bad idea to have one.. hi
Lots of options other than crimping, but as said, if all good otherwise, a little cleaning is not a concern, Cheers
With a 300PRC w/N570 I got good performance but horrible soot - H1K, retumbo, N565 were all good. But in a 300NM w/same powder/primer my barrel/chamber were nicely clean.
Will be in one or more of these details Paul, Cheers
Great material. 👍 I'm just starting my adventure with ammo reloading.
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Thanks Adam
Thanks for the information
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Not to knock your statement of gas getting in front of the bullet as shown in your high speed video. I’ve found it also to be common, and especially with surplus guns, to have the rifling eroded at the muzzle. I suppose this is the result of repeated cleanings, sawing with a steel rod, from the muzzle. This is easily found with gauge pins, and remedied by moving the muzzle back the distance of the length in the wobble of the gauge pin and recrowning.
I brought this up, as I suspect it may also be a factor in the gas getting ahead of the bullet, in your high speed video.
Thanks for sharing.
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Crown has a big effect on accuracy, but no effect on the necks an little to no effect on gas getting in front of the bullet, but yes that is a way to fix a poor crown, Cheers
Great lesson man. Thx M&S 🇺🇸
Cheers Tate, thanks
I always see this kind of blow-by in my hand-loaded 45 Colt cartridges. They have usually very little propellant in them (originally a black powder cartridge) and almost the entire case is black after firing.
Yep, Cheers Man
Thanks Mark & Sam.
Could I ask if you have discussed bullet jump / gap to the lands? Is this a somewhat standard you use with your loads?
Love your channel.
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Yes, all on the channel, Cheers
So would a faster power be the obvious 1st solution to this.
Use N555 and been considering N550 on my 6.5 creedmoor .
Sometimes, but all things are relevant
There’s a product called carbon killer that works well for this. Been loading since 70’s and never gave it much thought, just tumble my brass and keep chamber clean. I’ve gone on several trips shooting prairie dogs shooting 3-400 rds a day for 8-10 days and clean bore every 40-50 rds and have never had any issues.
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