Paul has just never looked at a lot of cheaper cd-players because most of those only have analogue outputs. In the early time of cd almost none had a digital output because people didn't use external DACs yet or digitally prepared amplifiers.
In his defense, he was probably thinking about Walmart (GPX/Polaroid/Memorex/etc) DVD players, not CD players. Don't think I've seen a standalone component CD player in stores since the 90s, ie over 20 years, other than GPX grade "boom" boxes or blister packed portable CD players. Most low cost DVD and BluRay payers I've seen do have an optical and or coax digital output, though a very few may not.
Wouldn't call a '93 Sony cdp-c535 necessarily a cheaper player at the time, but once again, Paul not exactly knowing or truthful about what he talks. This and others in my older collection in fact have only rca/analog line outs, making an external dac useless. So please Paul in the future, more research before releasing these simply untrue statements. I do enjoy some of these videos, but increasingly finding that I need to be selective about content. Thanks
Actually many older CD players only had RCA outs as I learned when I was looking for a vintage 5 disc player a couple years ago. I was specifically looking for one with a digital out to use with an external DAC and discovered to my surprise that it was not as common a feature as I had remembered.
CD players before 1990 did not have digital-out connections. There are many great sounding CD players from that era that are still around and still sound great with their own DACs from the 80's.
I picked up a late 90's Nad 5440 cd player off of craigslist because it had a volume-controlled output that I could go directly to a tube amp and then speakers. Recently I decided to run it through my main system and connected the digital out to my Schiit dac and was amazed at the improvement the modern dac (and better amp and speakers probably) made to the sound.
Yes. The cd player produces a pcm signal ... only to connect between hifi items... Even if you had a coax or toslink output, you still only have the pcm signal (produced by dac in your cd player). So sending througt the two phonos will not make a big difference. You cannot connect from toslink to an extern dac anyway, from a cd player you always only have a pcm signal produced in the intern dac in the cd player ... (big misunderstanding in video here...)
Yes, among some others Sony DVD/Blue Ray players (SACD/CD capability) have an HDMI Audio output connection. Connecting that HDMI outlet to a Digital Interface which has an HDMI input and an i2s output to a DAC with an i2s input accomplishes that task. Available through ebay and at audiophonics. This arrangement has been reported to work by audiophiles.
I would qualify that saying, "most CD players made after 1992 or so" have a digital output. Those made before then, often did not. Most people will not be using such vintage gear unless they happened to own it and keep it all these years. I still have my old circa 1992 Sony and even an older Phillips Magnavox and they are still going strong. The Phillips has a DAC chip that many seemed to think was pretty good, a cut above most back then.
Great explanation, however I do have a Yamaha player from the 90s with no digital output. It was one of their better players too but I dont remember outboard dacs being a thing yet. I like your videos Paul and at the end of this one I loved your dont give a shit attitude. Made me laugh.
I have a Philips with no digital. Internally the chipset provided it - it looks like they had an up-market version with digital out, so I grabbed a soldering iron and fitted the missing bits.
I would be more interested in intercepting the I2S signal going to the internal DAC en feeding that directly to an external dac so you don't have to use s/pdif and consequently can use the better clock in the external DAC, which s/pdif doesn't support because it as a multiplexed signal.
Great video and great TH-cam site !! Thanks !! Incidentally, you don't need a digital output. A Dragonfly DAC [ really small-flashdrive size (!!), is really nice and not overly expensive for how well it performs (even their least expensive black version is great). it uses a USB input with a headphone jack output that can be easily adapted to RCA plugs. I use one on the headphone audio output of my computer to feed into a decent audio amp and speakers. The sound is excellent even using a computer cd drive. (It is quite adaptable to iPhones)
Now what about this......say I want to use my Sony portable DISCMAN to play my cds on. My question is since they don't typically have the same outputs like coaxial and so forth, can I just take a 3.5 to RCA adapter and plug that in to the headphones out jack on cd player and then ofcourse run the RCA L/R jacks to DAC? Would that work just the same?
I've had many CD players, mostly Sony, half had analogue only, the other half had analog + Toslink, I only had a couple that had SPDIF/coax, one of which also had Toslink. I've had two 5-disc changers from Sony the first was analog only, I sold it off to get the second one that had Toslink, which I later gave to my brother after I ripped all my CD's to my NAS, I still have a Yamaha CD which has analog and Toslink, but is not connected because these days because I use my NAS + media players(Shield TV/Kodi) + streaming for most/all my music needs.
In general, are the internal DACs in current-day CD/DVD players better than an average outboard DACs of say, 30+ years ago? I was debating if it's even worth it to hook up a 30 year old outboard DAC to a new CD player. Thanks in advance for any information.
Some only have an optical output and some only have a coax output. My Samsung Blueray player and my Sony DVD player only have coax outputs and no optical. The Samsung also has no analog outputs. I use the coax outputs of both the Sony and the Samsung into the two digital inputs on my integra receiver. I also use the analog RCA outputs from my Sony DVD player into my amp with no digital inputs. That way I can use the two amps to drive different speakers, even at the same time if I want to. The internal DAC and analog output stage of the Sony is actually surprisingly good sounding.
I came here hoping to learn how to "by-pass" my internal DAC of my 5-disc CD changer since it only has analog RCA out and then feed that to an external DAC to improve the sound going to my amp/speakers.
Would be great if you can discuss playing SACD's DSD layer on SACD players... and the ability to hook it up to external DACs including using I2S interface ... along with it's challenges with different brands of DSD capable DACs
@@mauanderuk Can you share how you rip SACD's DSD layer into DSD files ? I've searched online and find information to be rather scattered, some requiring an old PS3 or certain BluRay players etc with lots of different '"hacks:. Is there a more straight forward way to rip physical SACDs (DSD layer) to DSD Files ?
The funniest thing about Paul's answer is that even PS Audio's own original CD player, the CD-1 from 1986, didn't have a digital output. It was a lightly modified Philips CD350.
Hey Paul, firstly, love your channel and your fantastic knowledge. My question is if I have a smsl su1 DAC that supports mqa format, if I was to play a mqa CD in normal CD player would the decoder DAC be able to decode the CD or would I have to buy a mqa CD player? Thanks in advance Steve
I had a wonderful Rotel CD player from the early 90's that had a coaxial output. I used it for a couple of years as a CD transport. Not sure about the pre 90's players though.
You don't use optical out CD player to optical in on AVR/Amp to get the cleanest signal possible ? I don't know what a DAC sounds like? Haven't used a RCA cable in many many years. 🤷♂️
I have a Sony 300 disk that's about 15 year old. Has booth Toslink and PCM. Oddly I can run the Toslink into my 10 year old Sony receiver DAC and it works perfect. Run it into a Modi 3E and it skips and freezes up. Anyways, Toslink and PCM jacks are very common.
I'd say the first 2 or 3 CD players I owned did not have RCA/Coax out. With that said, nice Sony and Toshiba DVD players can be had thrifting for $5-10 ea, they're a dime a dozen in this age of streaming. The Toshibas have nice transports.
Paul, your explanation just discusses CDs where the digital stream can be output to a DAC. However, if one's CD player also plays SACDs, then you cannot simply output the digital stream to a conventional DAC of your choice. Rather you need some type of special output from the player to a DAC that can accommodate this special cable. I think you call this an I-squared S input on your Direct Stream DAC. What is misleading is that in order to play SACDs, you just can't pick a DAC off the shelf and expect it to read SACDs from your SACD player. With my McIntosh MCD 600 SACD/CD player I cannot output a SACD digital stream to the DAC of my choice--I cannot use your Direct Stream DAC. No ! I must use the inferior internal DAC in the 600 for SACDs. That's a real bummer since the audio from a SACD disc is typically superior if you don't have to use the mediocre internal DAC. I've never understood why. I think there are some legalities involved with Sony/Phillips. Anyway, buyers of SACD players should be aware of this prior to purchase. Now, if you go with an all P.S. Audio front end, you won't have this problem (with the Direct Stream DAC). Paul has thought of everything !
Hear hear.... I've asked Paul the same question multiple times (even submitted a topic for his video but was not selected) about SACD's DSD layer and how to make it work with external DSD capable DACs with I2S connections. I know of some DAC's (Denafrips) have pinouts for I2S on HDMi is supposedly configurable but I don't know how compatible it is with SACD players out there with I2S HDMI implemented....
I know that generally we're talking about audiophile CD players but the first thing that came to mind for me was that before I had any audiophile equipment I had portable CD players and I can't think of any personally that had digital outputs. As others have said, sometimes Paul needs to qualify his responses rather than just being off the top of his head. Some Toyota is missing like refers to an amber alert, meaning a missing child. Not a laughing matter.
Sony CDP--270 and CDP-C70 don't have digital output. Nor do many, many others. Of course, it is easy to find out if your player does or not --- just look at the back panel.
Including my “old” Aiwa portable battery CD player..??? Yup I sill have that in storage. I am sure it still plays like new if I hooked it up to my stereo or headphones.
@@TheTrueVoiceOfReason I think I still have my old cassette adapter I use to use for my car stereo cassette player back then with that Awia CD player. I don’t know if it will work plugged into the auxiliary Jack on my current car stereo.
Exactly. It was actually pretty rare in 80's CD players (that I really like). After all, what would people be connecting them to in those days, when CD was the only digital piece of equipment 99,9 % of people had?
@@davida8682 I’m not sure that all the CD players that are currently made have coaxial and digital outputs, but I’ve noticed that even crappy CD players have become expensive recently.
paul, we get those alerts on our phone to maybe help other individuals in times of need. your response to the Toyota owner needing some help speaks of your character.
One would think after 35years since the Mid 80's and 90's people would have upgraded their systems even from the poorest in society! This must be an indicator of how rough the economy has gotten when the Majority of the population is still using Obsolete Equipment and asking this type of Question! Maybe the Top 1/10% of the Ruling Class Elites would share some of their Wealth since they own 99% of it! I'm not holding my breath!
@@bobclarke5913 I agree with you! I am at the very bottom of the food chain! I used to come up from the bowels of hell to feed on bottom feeders! Now completely content with thrift shop leftovers! Thank you JESUS! Lol
@@machintelligence I bought my first HiFi System in 1973! Or at the time I thought it was! Realistic Brand Receiver from Radio Shack! But I only kept my KMA 200's from the Late 80's until this year! Finally Updating and Upgrading into the Digital Domain now! Rocking into the Twenty First Century!
you're thinking about the stereo pair of connectors usually color coded red and white he's talking about the digital single connector usually color coded orange both use the same cables and connectors
How can one DAC be better than another? The digital signal just codes for the waveform that is to be output. I assume that will always be the same waveform no matter what converter you use. Unlesss it is encoding it wrongly.
Paul and I have had our YT discussions about this very question, and ultimately he and I agree that at the very output of the DAC chip (whatever pins they may be), it should all be a faithful representation of the data as presented and all of them should be pretty much the same. The differences happen directly after that in the buffer and driver stages that feed the analog outputs of the overall "DAC" equipment. That is the Analog stage shaping the signal, not the DAC chip itself.
@@meutubedou but rca is analog...coaxial is digital. He was trying to refer to digital out but he was talking about analog out. People that don't know the difference will get confused
@@ryanschipp8513 I got what you’re saying so he should have said a RCA connector works just like a coaxial because it’s just a single RCA.. Copy/Paste…Can coaxial cable be used as RCA? “RCA cables are coaxial (i.e., single, usually multistrand, center conductor with an outer braided screen), so yes..” I agree with you..So I think he should have clarified that there’s no difference for the newbies watching.. Many don’t know this in the Audio world 👍 Best2You Ryan…
@3:56 "Some Toyota's missing, and I gotta know about this?" Paul, the Toyota is the car that has the abducted child. Perhaps you did not read the alert beyond seeing the word "Toyota"? If you did read the full alert, then it seems rather chilling that you would not want alerts to go out when children are abducted.
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Paul has just never looked at a lot of cheaper cd-players because most of those only have analogue outputs. In the early time of cd almost none had a digital output because people didn't use external DACs yet or digitally prepared amplifiers.
That's correct. He didn't look that closely at the situation back then.
In his defense, he was probably thinking about Walmart (GPX/Polaroid/Memorex/etc) DVD players, not CD players. Don't think I've seen a standalone component CD player in stores since the 90s, ie over 20 years, other than GPX grade "boom" boxes or blister packed portable CD players.
Most low cost DVD and BluRay payers I've seen do have an optical and or coax digital output, though a very few may not.
I don't recall ever seeing $29 hi-fi component CD players either.
Wouldn't call a '93 Sony cdp-c535 necessarily a cheaper player at the time, but once again, Paul not exactly knowing or truthful about what he talks. This and others in my older collection in fact have only rca/analog line outs, making an external dac useless. So please Paul in the future, more research before releasing these simply untrue statements. I do enjoy some of these videos, but increasingly finding that I need to be selective about content. Thanks
@@rianredfield5252 when I said my old Sony CD players don't have digital out I don't think people believed me
Actually many older CD players only had RCA outs as I learned when I was looking for a vintage 5 disc player a couple years ago. I was specifically looking for one with a digital out to use with an external DAC and discovered to my surprise that it was not as common a feature as I had remembered.
CD players before 1990 did not have digital-out connections. There are many great sounding CD players from that era that are still around and still sound great with their own DACs from the 80's.
my onkyo dx 7500 from 1988 has digital - out connections
Yeah, I too have had quite a few CD players without a digital out.
Older less expensive players didn't used to have a digital output.
Westinghouse, GPX, Craig? Toss em
I picked up a late 90's Nad 5440 cd player off of craigslist because it had a volume-controlled output that I could go directly to a tube amp and then speakers. Recently I decided to run it through my main system and connected the digital out to my Schiit dac and was amazed at the improvement the modern dac (and better amp and speakers probably) made to the sound.
Great video Paul. Can’t wait to get a DAC and hear the difference!
The old ones don't have a digital out, at least my old Sony doesn't
Wow
Even my first Sony CD Player I bought 1988 had a digital output
Indeed. There are many many players that don't have digital outs
Yes. The cd player produces a pcm signal ... only to connect between hifi items... Even if you had a coax or toslink output, you still only have the pcm signal (produced by dac in your cd player). So sending througt the two phonos will not make a big difference. You cannot connect from toslink to an extern dac anyway, from a cd player you always only have a pcm signal produced in the intern dac in the cd player ... (big misunderstanding in video here...)
Yep my old Sony doesn't either
@@MegaM563Yeah, it’s amazing he doesn’t know this.
Yes, among some others Sony DVD/Blue Ray players (SACD/CD capability) have an HDMI Audio output connection. Connecting that HDMI outlet to a Digital Interface which has an HDMI input and an i2s output to a DAC with an i2s input accomplishes that task.
Available through ebay and at audiophonics.
This arrangement has been reported to work by audiophiles.
Thank you for the update yes I knew there's was, table talk while being too technical great job Paul
I would qualify that saying, "most CD players made after 1992 or so" have a digital output. Those made before then, often did not. Most people will not be using such vintage gear unless they happened to own it and keep it all these years. I still have my old circa 1992 Sony and even an older Phillips Magnavox and they are still going strong. The Phillips has a DAC chip that many seemed to think was pretty good, a cut above most back then.
yeah, I have a Phillips 5-tray CD player from the early 90s that sounds great.
I look for used cd players for transport only often on the used market and many of the older one's do not have the digital output.
I've had players that not only had Coax and Toslink but had AES/EBU as well as BNC connectors for digital outputs.
I have several cd players without a digital out.
Great explanation, however I do have a Yamaha player from the 90s with no digital output. It was one of their better players too but I dont remember outboard dacs being a thing yet. I like your videos Paul and at the end of this one I loved your dont give a shit attitude. Made me laugh.
I have a Philips with no digital. Internally the chipset provided it - it looks like they had an up-market version with digital out, so I grabbed a soldering iron and fitted the missing bits.
I usually get those either when somebody stole a kid, or there’s a tornado or a hurricane coming!🤣🤣
I would be more interested in intercepting the I2S signal going to the internal DAC en feeding that directly to an external dac so you don't have to use s/pdif and consequently can use the better clock in the external DAC, which s/pdif doesn't support because it as a multiplexed signal.
Great video and great TH-cam site !! Thanks !!
Incidentally, you don't need a digital output. A Dragonfly DAC [ really small-flashdrive size (!!), is really nice and not overly expensive for how well it performs (even their least expensive black version is great). it uses a USB input with a headphone jack output that can be easily adapted to RCA plugs. I use one on the headphone audio output of my computer to feed into a decent audio amp and speakers. The sound is excellent even using a computer cd drive.
(It is quite adaptable to iPhones)
Great video PAUL ❤
Now what about this......say I want to use my Sony portable DISCMAN to play my cds on. My question is since they don't typically have the same outputs like coaxial and so forth, can I just take a 3.5 to RCA adapter and plug that in to the headphones out jack on cd player and then ofcourse run the RCA L/R jacks to DAC? Would that work just the same?
I've had many CD players, mostly Sony, half had analogue only, the other half had analog + Toslink, I only had a couple that had SPDIF/coax, one of which also had Toslink.
I've had two 5-disc changers from Sony the first was analog only, I sold it off to get the second one that had Toslink, which I later gave to my brother after I ripped all my CD's to my NAS, I still have a Yamaha CD which has analog and Toslink, but is not connected because these days because I use my NAS + media players(Shield TV/Kodi) + streaming for most/all my music needs.
In general, are the internal DACs in current-day CD/DVD players better than an average outboard DACs of say, 30+ years ago? I was debating if it's even worth it to hook up a 30 year old outboard DAC to a new CD player. Thanks in advance for any information.
I have an early Tascam rack mount CD/Cassette player. No digital output. 🙁
Thanks.
I have a question please.
Do all dvd players have internal dac?
Kind regard
denon cd mostly doesn't has rca digital out. usually only optical. it is troublesome as most dac usually have rca digital input only.
Thanks Sir for the info
Some only have an optical output and some only have a coax output. My Samsung Blueray player and my Sony DVD player only have coax outputs and no optical. The Samsung also has no analog outputs. I use the coax outputs of both the Sony and the Samsung into the two digital inputs on my integra receiver. I also use the analog RCA outputs from my Sony DVD player into my amp with no digital inputs. That way I can use the two amps to drive different speakers, even at the same time if I want to. The internal DAC and analog output stage of the Sony is actually surprisingly good sounding.
I came here hoping to learn how to "by-pass" my internal DAC of my 5-disc CD changer since it only has analog RCA out and then feed that to an external DAC to improve the sound going to my amp/speakers.
Would be great if you can discuss playing SACD's DSD layer on SACD players... and the ability to hook it up to external DACs including using I2S interface ... along with it's challenges with different brands of DSD capable DACs
I rip my SACD's and play them through a computer in full DSD mode it's the only option really.
@@mauanderuk Can you share how you rip SACD's DSD layer into DSD files ? I've searched online and find information to be rather scattered, some requiring an old PS3 or certain BluRay players etc with lots of different '"hacks:.
Is there a more straight forward way to rip physical SACDs (DSD layer) to DSD Files ?
Guess not... it's a cluster F of a process...
The funniest thing about Paul's answer is that even PS Audio's own original CD player, the CD-1 from 1986, didn't have a digital output. It was a lightly modified Philips CD350.
Used to use optical output from a pioneer cd player to a pioneer cd writer to copy cd's
That was back in the 90's lol
Hey Paul, firstly, love your channel and your fantastic knowledge.
My question is if I have a smsl su1 DAC that supports mqa format, if I was to play a mqa CD in normal CD player would the decoder DAC be able to decode the CD or would I have to buy a mqa CD player?
Thanks in advance
Steve
I had a wonderful Rotel CD player from the early 90's that had a coaxial output. I used it for a couple of years as a CD transport. Not sure about the pre 90's players though.
I have a pioneer cd player from 1984, it only has left/right out put
My question is do you really need a dac? Or is a cd player rca connection to the preamp going to sound equally as good? Thanks for your help and time.
Next time this comes up you might talk about DVD players and how well they handle a CD stream given that they spin faster and read ahead.
better..they buffer more.
You don't use optical out CD player to optical in on AVR/Amp to get the cleanest signal possible ? I don't know what a DAC sounds like? Haven't used a RCA cable in many many years. 🤷♂️
My Naim CD player from the early 21st century only has analogue outputd.
None of my CD players have SPDIF/Toslink outputs on them, and i've been struggling to find one that does. My DVD players, however, all do.
Unfortunately not all CD players have a digital out, even some high end ones. Wish mine had one.
I have a Sony 300 disk that's about 15 year old. Has booth Toslink and PCM. Oddly I can run the Toslink into my 10 year old Sony receiver DAC and it works perfect. Run it into a Modi 3E and it skips and freezes up. Anyways, Toslink and PCM jacks are very common.
Thanks!
How you do this to vintage cassette decks?
You can't, because cassette is an analog format. There is no digital output to send to a DAC
I'd say the first 2 or 3 CD players I owned did not have RCA/Coax out. With that said, nice Sony and Toshiba DVD players can be had thrifting for $5-10 ea, they're a dime a dozen in this age of streaming. The Toshibas have nice transports.
Paul, your explanation just discusses CDs where the digital stream can be output to a DAC. However, if one's CD player also plays SACDs, then you cannot simply output the digital stream to a conventional DAC of your choice. Rather you need some type of special output from the player to a DAC that can accommodate this special cable. I think you call this an I-squared S input on your Direct Stream DAC. What is misleading is that in order to play SACDs, you just can't pick a DAC off the shelf and expect it to read SACDs from your SACD player. With my McIntosh MCD 600 SACD/CD player I cannot output a SACD digital stream to the DAC of my choice--I cannot use your Direct Stream DAC. No ! I must use the inferior internal DAC in the 600 for SACDs. That's a real bummer since the audio from a SACD disc is typically superior if you don't have to use the mediocre internal DAC. I've never understood why. I think there are some legalities involved with Sony/Phillips. Anyway, buyers of SACD players should be aware of this prior to purchase. Now, if you go with an all P.S. Audio front end, you won't have this problem (with the Direct Stream DAC). Paul has thought of everything !
People asking this question probably have no idea what a SACD is.
Hear hear.... I've asked Paul the same question multiple times (even submitted a topic for his video but was not selected) about SACD's DSD layer and how to make it work with external DSD capable DACs with I2S connections. I know of some DAC's (Denafrips) have pinouts for I2S on HDMi is supposedly configurable but I don't know how compatible it is with SACD players out there with I2S HDMI implemented....
I've submitted questions far more interesting AND that have not been covered multiple times, but are never used.
It sounds like this video isn't for you
I know that generally we're talking about audiophile CD players but the first thing that came to mind for me was that before I had any audiophile equipment I had portable CD players and I can't think of any personally that had digital outputs. As others have said, sometimes Paul needs to qualify his responses rather than just being off the top of his head.
Some Toyota is missing like refers to an amber alert, meaning a missing child. Not a laughing matter.
That's an excellent point. Actually, I think that sometime ago I saw a SONY portable that had a toslink digital out or something like that.
Sony CDP--270 and CDP-C70 don't have digital output. Nor do many, many others.
Of course, it is easy to find out if your player does or not --- just look at the back panel.
Some of the earliest ones - mostly 1980s - didn’t have the digital out option. I have an old early SONY that doesn’t have the option.
They are crap anyways because DACs back that days where crap compared even to builtin now
@@Harald_Reindl I haven't heard any of the newest CD players yet. They are impossible to easily come by in my area.
@@bikdav who talks about "newest" - frankly it's a matter of 1980s/1990s/2000s as DACs impovd - but who neds a CD player the past 20 years anways
yes, I have 30 year old sony CD player with a digital audio output.
Yet my 22 year old Sony does not
There is harman kardan that doesn’t have toslink or rca output.
My first CD player, that was part of a 1980's rack system did not have a digital output. I am not even sure they existed
My Technics CD player from 1986 has no digital output.
Including my “old” Aiwa portable battery CD player..??? Yup I sill have that in storage. I am sure it still plays like new if I hooked it up to my stereo or headphones.
My portable has Line Out, but not Digital Out.
@@TheTrueVoiceOfReason
I think I still have my old cassette adapter I use to use for my car stereo cassette player back then with that Awia CD player. I don’t know if it will work plugged into the auxiliary Jack on my current car stereo.
some cd player have digital outputs some dont. better use a dvd player. they all have digital outputs.
Thanks Paul, Now I know I'm a fossil. None of my CD players have digital outputs. BluRay? Sure. But not my Yamaha CDX1 or my Phillips nor my DBX.
Toslink is only a pcm signal... not digital streaming from the cd
I have an old Denon that has no digital outlets.
Neither does my Sony CDP 520 ES II
Why are DAC's so expensive?
Btw, had someone stolen your turntable? I can see the platter, but not the turntable 😁
“All of them, without exception” is not a true statement. I have a high-quality CD player from the 90s which lacks digital outputs.
Exactly. It was actually pretty rare in 80's CD players (that I really like).
After all, what would people be connecting them to in those days, when CD was the only digital piece of equipment 99,9 % of people had?
Ditto my 1990s Technics
he's really losing it
I think it's fair to assume Paul isn't thinking about 30-40 year old CD players.
@@davida8682 I’m not sure that all the CD players that are currently made have coaxial and digital outputs, but I’ve noticed that even crappy CD players have become expensive recently.
why don't you put a train horn on that watch, blimey 😂 lunch ready? what you having rabbit food 😂
Not only do a lot of older CD players not have a S/PDIF digital output, most newer DVD and BluRay players only have an HDMI output.
I noticed that with the BluRay players. That limits connecting options.
HDMI uses the external DAC in the TV or receiver by definition.
And HDMI is digital
@@amadensor Yes, but the question Paul’s answering is about hooking it up as a CD player in a stereo system, not an AV setup
@@Harald_Reindl Yes, but it's not S/PDIF, and cannot be connected to a typical DAC, only a TV or AV receiver.
paul, we get those alerts on our phone to maybe help other individuals in times of need. your response to the Toyota owner needing some help speaks of your character.
"My CD player doesn't have a digital out!" Tell me you have a sh itty CD player wihout telling me you have a s hitty CD player....
Dad, what is a CD player? Son, shut up!
I've had 6 CD players in the past year, only one of them has had digital out.
One would think after 35years since the Mid 80's and 90's people would have upgraded their systems even from the poorest in society! This must be an indicator of how rough the economy has gotten when the Majority of the population is still using Obsolete Equipment and asking this type of Question! Maybe the Top 1/10% of the Ruling Class Elites would share some of their Wealth since they own 99% of it! I'm not holding my breath!
The poorest in society are those who judge others by their possessions.
@@bobclarke5913 I agree with you! I am at the very bottom of the food chain! I used to come up from the bowels of hell to feed on bottom feeders! Now completely content with thrift shop leftovers! Thank you JESUS! Lol
Some of us are old school. We bought our vintage equipment new.
@@machintelligence I bought my first HiFi System in 1973! Or at the time I thought it was! Realistic Brand Receiver from Radio Shack! But I only kept my KMA 200's from the Late 80's until this year! Finally Updating and Upgrading into the Digital Domain now! Rocking into the Twenty First Century!
A: any CD player with a digital out
I would be willing to bet that more than half your audience has a CD player *without* a digital output!!
rca out uses cd players internal dac. optical out uses external dac.
He may have meant the coax connector which is a a single RCA jack that is also digital and does not use the CD player's internal DAC.
you're thinking about the stereo pair of connectors usually color coded red and white
he's talking about the digital single connector usually color coded orange
both use the same cables and connectors
Yeah plenty of machine DO NOT HAVE a digital output particularly older ones.
RCA connections and cables are NOT digital.
How can one DAC be better than another? The digital signal just codes for the waveform that is to be output. I assume that will always be the same waveform no matter what converter you use. Unlesss it is encoding it wrongly.
Paul and I have had our YT discussions about this very question, and ultimately he and I agree that at the very output of the DAC chip (whatever pins they may be), it should all be a faithful representation of the data as presented and all of them should be pretty much the same. The differences happen directly after that in the buffer and driver stages that feed the analog outputs of the overall "DAC" equipment. That is the Analog stage shaping the signal, not the DAC chip itself.
Manufacturers voice their DAC chips differently. AKMs, ESSs, Burr-Browns, and on and on all sound different from each other.
@@digggerrjones7345 and usually those voicings are found in the analog output stages.
in the beginning you talking RCA output. then at the end you talk about coaxial. you should have said coaxial in the beginning.
It’s still an RCA connector though many refer to the word coaxial..
@@meutubedou but rca is analog...coaxial is digital. He was trying to refer to digital out but he was talking about analog out. People that don't know the difference will get confused
@@ryanschipp8513 I got what you’re saying so he should have said a RCA connector works just like a coaxial because it’s just a single RCA.. Copy/Paste…Can coaxial cable be used as RCA?
“RCA cables are coaxial (i.e., single, usually multistrand, center conductor with an outer braided screen), so yes..” I agree with you..So I think he should have clarified that there’s no difference for the newbies watching.. Many don’t know this in the Audio world 👍 Best2You Ryan…
@3:56 "Some Toyota's missing, and I gotta know about this?"
Paul, the Toyota is the car that has the abducted child.
Perhaps you did not read the alert beyond seeing the word "Toyota"?
If you did read the full alert, then it seems rather chilling that you would not want alerts to go out when children are abducted.
Called Amber Alerts - worthwhile for everyone, IMHO
I stole the Toyota !