Are DVD players better than CD players?
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I got tired of my CD only players having trouble reading discs after a while and having to go buy new ones and cd only players are much more expensive than they used to be.
When I was shopping for a new CD player I kept reading the reviews and nearly all started mistracking after a while even the 3 or 400 dollar ones.
Well I found a CD/DVD player on Amazon for 20 bucks or so. I thought I'd give it a shot...and if it started skipping after a year or two I could buy like 20 more of them for 20 bucks before I had what a single 400 dollar cd player would cost me.
It sounded really good and actually was much more compact than a stand alone cd player.
Then I read a story that said nearly all the new DVD/CD players were better sound than the old ones because of advances in technology...that got me wondering if I bought a CD only player, could it actually surpass the sound of the 20 dollar one??
So, I went out and bought a 400 dollar CD player. I hooked it up expecting to be blown away, and as far as I can tell after really trying to discern the difference I can't find any audible difference between the two. I haven't done a "scientific" study but it also seems like the 20 dollar player may actually read scratched discs better. At one point the 20 dollar one was having trouble reading discs for 1 day and I sat it on it's side and it started working again. Wondered if a bit of fuzz had been sucked in with the CD and was obscuring the laser, but that was 2 mo ago and no problems since.
So this is just me and there could be a million variables that might change what I seem to have concluded but for me the cheap DVD/CD player was as good and way more of a bargain than the 400 dollar fancy CD alone player.
You must clean your disks regularly and try to keep dust out of the machine , especially if there is a cooling fan blowing inside the machine .
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Hebrews 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
John 3:16-21
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Mark 1.15
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
@@christopher9727 I agree with everything you said but what does this have to do with cd/dvd players?
The players don't matter that much.....your receiver/speakers make your set/experience.
Too cheap is usually crap of course.....but you can better pay for a good receiver/speakers than a very expensive cd player.....or dvd/bluray player for that matter.
I still using a DVD LG for read CD
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Mr. that is the best ,most precise and understandable explanation of how disc players function and differ I have ever heard.Thanks,BC
Laserdisc video was never digitally encoded, it was FM modulated analog. In the mid-80s they allocated some of the track space to digital audio, thus Dolby Digital encoded audio tracks, etc.
Laserdisc is really a mixed bag of signals. haha
The physical encoding on the disc itself is still pits and lands, just like a CD. But, the process of reading it is inherently analog -- again, just like a CD, DVD, BD, or whatever. You get an RF output from the laser pickup that contains a waveform that is more or less binary in nature. This is where we run into what it means to be "digital" in the first place -- since, technically, there's no such thing as a "digital waveform" ... it's all analog, and can be interpreted as a continuous signal, or containing discrete data. The whole construct of "digital" is merely a classification of signals that are interpreted in such a way as to produce a quantized output.
So, on a Laserdisc, the video stream is slightly modified composite analog video, FM-modulated and multiplexed on different carrier frequencies alongside two tracks of analog audio and (NTSC) / or (PAL) a digital audio track.
The digital audio track is PCM just like CD, or it can be re-purposed for DTS frames instead.
The analog audio tracks can be a stereo analog audio track, two mono analog audio tracks (e.g., some combination of mono audio, commentary, 2nd language, etc.), or a mono audio track and a modulated Dolby Digital AC-3 stream (which usually has to be demodulated into a bitstream by an external demodulator.)
On an NTSC disc, you can select either L/R analog, L analog, R analog (in case it's not actually stereo but rather audio track 1 and 2), or digital audio (if present.) On a PAL disc, you get either L/R analog (which you select to play in stereo, L-only, or R-only), OR you get a digital track.
The side effect of all of this is that what you get out of the audio or digital audio jacks of a Laserdisc player depends on the region, the disc, the player's capabilities, and the audio track(s) you have selected to play. Some players will do internal conversion to ensure you can play either analog or digital tracks from either the analog or digital outputs, and some will not. Some will do the AC-3 demodulation internally and output a bitstream from the digital outs, and maybe even decode it into stereo on the analog outs. Most will not. Some players have a dedicated output for the RF-modulated AC-3 output, some just give you meaningless noise on the analog audio output that you can't do anything with.
This is just what happens when you retrofit old media with new technology. :-)
@@nickwallette6201 I have a pioneer laser disc and I use it for CDs. Can you please tell me if their is any benefits to using this particular laser disc (pioneer CDC-1030)? I
@@danieldesoto6787 Man, I have no idea. It seems a lot of people want confirmation that they're using "the right" equipment. Don't waste your time with that stuff. Pop a disc in, listen, and if you like what you hear, then it's the right player.
The only thing I can say about this specifically is, if you have any Laserdiscs, you might opt to save the poor old girl from having to handle both tasks. I don't believe an LD player makes a "superior" CD player, just that it _can_ be an adequate one. (Whether that particular model is good, bad, or superb, I haven't any idea.) Given the choice, I would use a CD player to play CDs, and save the parts in the LD player from the wear. We have an embarrassment of riches with all the CD players available to us. Why burden a rarer machine with the uncommon ability to play a format that garden-variety CD players can't? But that's just an opinion from somebody who is still amused by the novelty of LD, and will happily watch a movie in 480i just to get to use that old quirky tech.
@@nickwallette6201 I actually have Pretty Woman on LD that I just watched lol. I also have American Graffiti. So no energy wasted
Laserdisc being analog still makes my filly brain hurts. But yeah FM sound can be of very high quality anyway.
I like watching these videos, informative and helps me SLEEP really fast and so well at night, thank you.
Love these videos!! Your stuff got me to buy a DirectStream DAC and recently upgrade to a Bridge II for MQA. I honestly never considered PS Audio or had a chance to hear your gear, but I bought blind solely on your expertise and passion for this art. You do amazing things with digital and I think it is greatly underappreciated. Your DAC is amazing and I am thinking of moving to a BHK preamp soon. Perhaps I will replace my entire chain with PSA gear :P You found the right formula between experiential subjectivity and sound engineering principles. Congrats to you and the team!
If you get a chance, go visit PS Audios factory in Colorado. They will gladly give you a complete tour and then you can listen to their audio room. Bring your own favorite CD or listen to one of theirs. They have an Infinity RS speaker system in there that sold for $60,000 brand new. They have pictures and some soundtracks on the internet.
Codec & Bitrate. Two *MOST* critical things!!! Laser wavelength only dictates the density of information that can be stored on the medium!!!😁👍🏻
I use an older Pioneer DVD player for CDs and they sound great thru my two stereo systems. One is a small vacuum tube amp, a Reissong A-10, and the other is a vintage Pioneer SX 780. It may not be the fanciest of setups but it sounds great to me, especially thru the A-10.
I'm using a 2nd (£10)pioneer too. I couldn't find much online but on cleaning the laser I was pretty surprised to see at least a dozen or more Rubycon caps. Sounds good and only takes a few more seconds loading, but playback is normal.
Don't forget the power supply makes a huge difference to audio and just using a dvd with a cheap smps as a complete playback device is going to fall quite short of a similar priced cd player with a proper linear psu. Also SACD was based around DVD technology as that needed to be 96khz 24bit
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Hebrews 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
John 3:16-21
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Mark 1.15
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
The video on laser discs was analog, not digital. The audio was initially analog, too, but digital audio came later.
I use a Halcro logic EC800 player. It can play CD's, SACD's and DVD's.
It plays all of these brilliantly and I am sure it is due to the quality of the hand made Swiss drive mechanism and the great DAC incorporated in the unit.
It will play discs that are so scratched that nothing else will play them.
I guess the point I am trying to make is that the quality of the equipment probably has more to do with the quality of sound than whether it is a CD or DVD player.
John , the halcro is a tank build masterpiece, but when playing all discs even with the discs that won't play , I think that there would be immense pressure on the lens /mechanism , as a maintenance do u clean with disc cleaner or pull the lid up to do an air blow to clean residue dust particles? that's how I take care of my equipment . Kind regards.
Quality of error correction allows it to play scratched disks. Put in one after that isn't scratched. You shpuld hear the difference.
This guy gets it. CD-player or DVD-player or SACD-player or BD-player .. it doesn't matter. Good player? Good player. End of story.
@Athur V There's no strain on the mechanism. The disc turns continuously. The laser is on continuously. The lens is held in position by a few electro-magnetic coils that are _constantly_ being adjusted to track the disc as it moves. None of that struggles, or works any harder, when the disc is in poor shape. The signal recovery electronics do, but they couldn't care less. They just take a waveform, and use a fixed set of functions to try and derive a bit stream. If they're successful, great! If they're not, they'll just do it again on the next pass (if there's time), or move on to the next block until you turn it off. None of it knows the difference between a perfect disc and a rubbish one.
@steve austin That's not quite so true of discs other than CD. CD data stream is meant to be fudged. Other formats use a format like (or literally) CD-ROM and require the sectors to be readable, else that data is simply thrown away and replaced with silence, skipped over, or interpolated with a string of intermediate values that won't be even close to what was on the disc.
Denon Link is a good example of the jitter free link by connecting the dvda1ud to the avpa1hd via a specific cat cable. I found after owning these two components that it sounds slightly clearer through Denon link 4th gen after changing it in the menu on the dvda1ud.Denon Link 4th uses the clock of the AV amplifier to achieve HDMI signal transfer with little jitter when playing back HD codecs. (DTS HD-Master Audio & Dolby True HD.
I don't know about Lambdas and so forth but my ears know that well mastered BluRay audio is amazing---as in live. I've never had that experience with CD (even SACD.)
I ended arriving here because I am in doubt between to buy a brand new LG DVD player or a second hand vintage Sony CD player. After to watch this video I figured that I should go for the DVD.
Years ago, I had what I considered a reasonably decent hifi system incorporating a £2500 CD player, which was a lot of money back in 2001! I did not have a DVD player, so, my friend bought me one. It cost £15 from Tesco. I plumbed it into my system.
I have about a dozen duplicate CDs. I’d bought the cd myself, then someone gave me that same cd for Christmas or my birthday. I took 2 copies of the same cd, putting one in each player. I was shocked, yes, I could hear a difference, the CD player did sound better, but not by very much!
As an aside from that. I also had duplicate copies of albums on cd and vinyl. When friends came around for a listening session I used to put one copy on the turntable and the other in the CD player and synchronise them and do a blind A-B test on my friends. 7 out of 10 said they preferred the sound of the turntable!
that i agree !°!!!! i have all !! from 8 track to 1210 technics !!!!!
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Hebrews 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
John 3:16-21
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Mark 1.15
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
@@christopher9727 if you accept the bible as truth, why would your god create man, and expect his creations to please him, honour him, obey him and worship him? Then intermingle with man other creations, designed to make life as difficult as possible?
Did you account for placebo?
Preferring the sound of vinyl doesn’t mean it’s superior. A well mastered CD will run rings around a vinyl, while a well mastered SACD 5+1 disk will run rings around the same CD…
What also matters are the DACs in the players be it CD or DVD
Old day CD players: 5 seconds from insertion to play. These days, with a few exceptions such as Creek Audio Evolution 50CD, it takes 10 - 60 seconds.
lol yes, I have (amongst others) a Sony cdp-750 and it is so quick it is instantaneous.
Not true; every modern CD-transport reads very fast. Mine ( Denafrips Avatar) does the job in only 4 seconds.
Beside that: what's the big deal ?
@@paulb.3227 It takes 33 seconds for Redbook CD and 15 seconds for SACD on Denon DCD-2500. It takes about 10 seconds on Marantz SA-10.
@@azzinny Some lazy rig :-))
Philips CD911: 2 sec.
What is your thought on analog laserdisc , being used thru an analog laser (think 1st/2nd gen pioneer player with helium laser with tube preamp) vs cd? I've found alot more "depth" on this era laserdisc done right...
I guess if your running an external DAC it doesn't matter but from an analog output perspective I much prefer my vintage CD player to my high-ish end blueray player. They say the DACs are better suited but it just seems to sound better to me and it loads much much faster too.
I bought some off brand DVD recorder on Ebay 12 years ago and it does sound a bit more high resolution than my Sony CD recorder whether I use RCA or coaxial outputs. The only problem is at low volume, you can hear the fan when using the DVD player so I use the Sony for cds. I had a JVC CD player prior and it did not sound as good as the Sony does.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Hebrews 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
John 3:16-21
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Mark 1.15
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
I have a Sony discman and Philips DVD player. There’s a huge difference on their sound quality . DVD player is louder and the sound is fuller, clearer. So I prefer to use it.
My new Sony DVD player has an intermittent hum while playing. Annoying. Don't know what to do.
@@keilana6 Could be many things with no real info given. Is it on all discs? Discs can be dirty or off balance. Perhaps electrical interference somewhere, are you sharing a power/plug with other units? Try a different connection to your amp / dac. Try not to have player stacked on top of other av equipment as their casings/cabinets only amplify the noise through reverberation.
Many new players, even Sony, are poorly assembled with average parts. Since everyone is streaming these days, the low end units (even at around $300+) are not investing in their parts and labor as much.
Good luck!
The laser doesn't "read" anything. It simply illuminates the (laser burned) grooves on a thin sheet of reflective aluminum and the reflected light from those grooves is picked up by a "photocell" camera that "reads" the bits.
Found the pedant
And since “we’re” being pedantic, stop using unnecessary quotes.
@@jasonsouliere703 “I” “don’t” “see” the “problem”
@@cartman1226 Baaahaaahaaaa!
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You only have a few ways to emphasize text in TH-cam comments. You can, for example, make them _italic_ or *bold* or CAPS, or "put them in quotes." You have to use what you've got to allow the expressiveness of spoken language in text.
Also, he's right. Pedantic, but right. (While we're at it: It's actually several photocells. At least four, sometimes six, etc. That's what allows the tracking servo to do its thing.)
Paul, is the DAC in a dvd/br player better than a similarly priced CD player?
Sir, can I use Blu-ray player for listening audio cd instead of dedicated çd player and get same output ?
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I had a high end Denon DVD player back a few years ago (I got it used pretty cheap but brand new around 2005 it cost around $1500). It played CDs fantastically well but I was always annoyed about how long it took to load a CD (often as long as 30 seconds) and this was also true of pretty much any high end CD or DVD player I ever used between 2000 and now. I had no idea that it was probably due to the data buffering that the CD or DVD player used to allow for consistent and accurate reproduction.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Hebrews 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
John 3:16-21
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Mark 1.15
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
From an audio playback side of CD versus DVD players, I have a CD player with a smooth and warmer sound than using DVD player. I have a high-end Denon audio receiver with Cambridge Soundworks speakers. I did a CD playback comparison with a JVC DVD player to a late model Onkyo single-tray CD player. The audio from the JVC DVD player sounded harsh, while the Onkyo CD player sounded smoother with warmth to the audio.
BTW: Not all CD players can sound warm and smooth. I did a similar comparison with an older Sony CD player to the Onkyo unit, where the Sony's playback was similar to the JVC DVD player.
It might have more to do with the Digital filter, or the oversampling rate, or even the output stage. Back in the day when that 1-bit Delta-Sigma JVC DD PEM Errorless DAC came-out, Consumer reports stated that they could not perceive any differences in sound quality or reproduction between any of the player, regardless of the manufacturer or the price-point.
Therefore ( and I'm NOT making this up,)
"Sound Quality", was NOT EVER used as a performance factor in terms of rating or recommending, in the Overall Final Score, ANY particular disc player over another!
philips cdm9 was always the best .. the last swinging arm mech
Not only do cd players sound better. CD carousels change to the next CD faster and quieter than a DVD carousel. CD players support audio files like MP3 and CD-r -rw.Which can also be played in a car radio or other portable audio device. There are many reasons to have the cd player if you listen to music.
Some early DVD players have discrete pick-ups for DVD and CD respectively.
sehnzeleid And actually, whether they have separate lenses or not, they always have a separate laser for reading CDs, since the entire principle of reading pits and lands is based on destructive interference, with the pits being exactly a quarter wavelength of light deep, so that the reflected light from a pit has traveled exactly one half wavelength farther, so when it meets the incoming light, the waves cancel each other out, negating the light output. (On the lands, this effect doesn’t happen, so the light is reflected.)
Since this requires the laser’s wavelength to be matched to the pit depth, it means you _can’t_ use the same laser for CD, DVD, and blu-ray. So while it’s possible to have all three lasers within one lens assembly, there are always separate lasers. (In blu-ray players it’s still common to see two lenses, one for BD and one for CD/DVD.)
@@tookitogo Not necessarily. You _can_ read pressed CDs with a red laser. Contrary to the original post here, early DVD players are more likely to use a red laser. This practice wasn't as common later, because recordable CDs use a dye that a red laser can't distinguish, so it won't be able to play them. That got to be an issue later in the DVD's lifespan, when more people wanted to play recordable media.
You can try this yourself. Find a DVD player that won't even recognize a CD-R, then take the cover off. You will probably see a tiny red dot shining through the CD while it plays (pressed) or tries in vain to focus (CD-R).
@@nickwallette6201 I’m sorry, but you are very mistaken. The method by which pressed discs are read _requires_ the use of a laser of a specific wavelength, because it’s based on the pits being _exactly_ 1/4 wavelength deep. CD requires a 780nm near-IR laser. DVD requires a 650nm red laser, and Blu-ray requires a 405nm blue laser. This isn’t optional, and doesn’t leave room for interpretation. Every DVD player, regardless of vintage, reads DVDs with a 650nm laser, just like every optical drive reads CDs with a 780nm laser.
What you’re observing is simply that the human eye is slightly sensitive to the 780nm near-IR light. (There’s no absolute delineation between red and infrared, so 780nm is commonly known both as “near-infrared” and as “far red”.)
@@tookitogo I'm a little confused by this as well, because all I've heard and read echoes what you're saying, and that's exactly what I thought until very recently, when I saw otherwise.
Despite it being "near-IR," you can't see an infra-red laser with the naked eye. There's usually a tiny streak of red that is visible under the lens, but it's not the primary wavelength of the laser, and you're going to be blasting your eyeballs with radiation you're not aware of, if you look at the tiny bit of light you _can_ see. I'm sure you're already quite familiar with all of that, but I just wanted to level-set that what I'm talking about is not _that._
There's a 12voltvids video from April 24th 2022 that's called "2 Free DVD players will either of them work?" where he tests a Toshiba SD-1200 DVD player with a pressed CD (which plays) and a CD-R (which doesn't.) At around 28:00 in, he has the unit tilted on its side and the camera zoomed way in so you can see the laser spot shining _through_ the disc, just like you would see when it's playing a DVD. If that were an infra-red laser, you wouldn't see it at all, much less through the disc (with factory-printed graphics, nonetheless!) At around 30:00, he tests the burned CD, and you can see the spot change in size and shape while it's trying to focus, but never succeeds. The warning label also doesn't call out "invisible laser radiation" like an IR laser normally does, just "visible laser radiation."
I've tried researching this myself to find out how that's possible, given the commonly accepted wisdom that you can't do that. It's difficult to find actual qualified sources rather than just forum posts and such. If you know of any, I'm anxious to learn more.
In the meantime, the ONLY way I can describe what I saw in a way that doesn't contradict the fact that a red laser was reading an audio CD, is that ... _maybe_ the unit had both the red and IR lasers on at the same time. But that seems unlikely, since it would have to have two separate sets of photocells that are completely blind to the other laser's wavelength. Possible, but unlikely, when they could just shut off the unused laser.
Oh, and the other thing... apparently, really early LD players used a gas laser that was visible. I believe it was a Technology Connections video where he showed one of the original RCA or Magnavox players that had one. I don't think they played CDs (I don't think the spindle had accommodations for that hub size), and I'm not entirely sure what the dimensions are of pits on an LD -- not a great deal of technical information like that available these days on a format that was mostly pre-Internet. So maybe that's relevant and maybe it's not. I don't know.
Are CD players or DVD players more sensitive to scratches on audio discs? Is there an advantage of one or the other or no difference?
I use a Sack made by Nut. The long rod insertion is key.
A drawback of playing CDs on a DVD player is the lack of playback features and the unit's display. CD players have LED display that informs the user of all sorts of info about the CD, and the user can have playback options with the CD player's control features, such as shuffle playlist, that DVD players don't have.
Depends on the player. I had a DVD player around 2001 (I don't remember the brand) that not only had shuffle, repeat, playslists and such, it also had phase reverse for "karaoke style" voice removal, key shift to 12 tones up and 12 tones down, it even played Enhanced Music CDs... And displayed everything on screen and its big LCD. Unfortunately, it got stolen. Never found another one like that again. :(
Wow! That DVD player you had was impressive! Indeed!!
@@bloqk16 A bluray or dvdplayer would normally show all that info also in the LED display. Also the cd players I have owned only showed the track number and length of the track counting down plus maybe a few other things like shuffle or repeat.
Bloqk-16 A DVD/BluRay Player will show you that information on your TV screen. Some players even provide a visualizer that changes with the music.
Not true.
Probably flew over most who watched...the elusive (Genesis) Digital Lens. Still highly sought after (20+ yrs) for Red Book CD playback.
I would say a DVD can potentially do a better job than a CD player in the digital realm due to it's ability to track better, it has a larger buffer, and a faster processor which all combined means it POTENTIALLY can employ better error correction.
Chances are it's audio DAC is crap so use SP/DIF.
Or even better, coaxial
That sounds correct to me.
love your videos!!
Excellent! Straight forward for those of us who don't understand the bits.
do they make a cd or dvd player without mega bass audio another words a flat eq for a pa system playback ? I've been using you tube but every video has a different eq.
When I have a CD that skips in my CD player, it usually works in my DVD player, so I keep both hooked up to my receiver. (The CD player has a better display, so it's my first go-to.)
Best audio channel on youtube. I have no idea why other people don't make content like this.
Far far from true.
As a veteran Audio EE I can assure you he is often wrong technically and is mainly promoting his company.
That's his main job and it's okay.
He will still be remembered for promoting imo, overly expensive power conditioners. Waste of money if ever there was. But yes, he does have some good content, and his high end audio stuff has good reviews. I like the layback approach.
A CD well always sound better than TH-cam. Like a DVD movie will be better than watching it from your TV like if it was being broadcasted. Because of DTS:X or Dolby Atmos and UHD 4k.
Thanks again Jim.
I use to put a dvd in a cd player and it played audio.My question is what kind of dvd's can do that what's the name brand's and i'm searching for dvd recorders.But what dvd recorders can make can make a dvd play on a cd player ??
Paul ... i know i am later to the party ... just getting back into music at the ripe age of 68 ... I LIKE THE WAY YOU FINISHED THE VIDEO WITH THE QUICK BUT TRYING TO BE HUMOROUS THUMBING YOUR NOSE AT THE 'BITS ARE BITS' CROWD ... my partner is a bits are bits-er ... i dont know why ... but it seems obvious it is in how the bits start moving around ???? (i wonder about the quality of the bit ... but that's another issue) ... i like how you explained the way you moved information from the transport to the dac ... i am very low budget and am in here just looking to figure out what kind of cd or dvd player i should be chasing ....one channel advocated a blu-ray dvd ... on ebay .... there a number of Denon cd transports ... but as you mentioned ... all transports, cd and dvd players are not make alike ... THANK YOU FOR YOUR VIDEOS ... YOU HAVE ARE EASY TO WATCH ... respectfully ... chuck
You look like a master. Can you point me in the right direction? I have a Mark Levinson no.27 amp. When I turned it on I heard a strong pop on the right speaker and then the unit went into protection mode. Even time after that when I turn it on the power switch would pop back to the off position, I only have the pwr cable plugged in. The power light still lights, fuse is good. Any guidance from anyone would be greatly appreciated.
Paul I am using a marantz sa14s1 sacd player , and also have a oppo 203 . If I were to buy your jr dac would the oppo be a good transport to use ?
Yes. It's an excellent transport.
What is the model of your oscilloscope?
The audio subsystem on my trutech portable dvd player is quite good (headphone out is noisy tho, lots of power supply noise)
I have an old JVC DVD player from 2001 when those things were still pricey. I think it originally retailed for $600, but I got it at Goodwill in 2014 for $15. It’s gold and built like a tank and (knock wood) still works. I use it as the CD player in my bedroom system and it sounds fantastic! I am almost guilty and wondering why I spent $400 for the CD player I currently use in my main system.
what model?
@@JohnLeaf XV-D723
I have an old panasonic DVD player that I use since 3 days (it was sleeping since 10 years) and I tought maybe to buy a 500$ cd player... (Cambridge). You may have change my mind !!!
Testing Pioneer (which is both "super Audio CD" player and "DVD player" [DV-563A]) which is available for a very cheap price, shows that when it goes hand in hand with good DAC and powerful amplifier and reasonable speakers, the result is pleasing enough ... (I used iFi Pro iDSD+ Parasound Halo 21 + FoCAL)
I have the same player into MSB Link III to Sonic Frontiers to Aragon 8008BB to Magnepan. Don’t see any reason to upgrade.
Paul, you’re such an engineer.
Hey Paul,
Great to find this channel. My very first "real" preamp was a PS Audio 4.6 with the M250 power supply. What an incredible piece of kit for ~$500.
Anyway, do you plan on releasing another physical disc player/transport after the discontinuation of the Memory Player? I seem to recall that you were relying on the Oppo Blu-Ray licence for your drives and of course, sadly, they are no more. If that is the case, is this the only reason the memory Player was discontinued?
Thanks.
Hey Bob, thanks for reaching out and the memories. The 4.6 was a great preamp. Yes, we discontinued the DMP because our source from Oppo dried up. We have another in the works and I hope to offer it for sale later this year, perhaps April or May.
Please give us a “Part 2” to this video. Are the clocks, DACs and other circuitry used in DVD players any better or worse than those in CD players? Should I use a DVD player to play audio discs?
Yes that was the real question in the first place, it seems that Paul is not interested, though, since selling DACs is his job and would never recommend using the one already available with any player! XD
No, all of that has nothing to do with the cd or dvd part.
Hi Paul, others: an advantage of dvd laser over cd laser is that it can handle scratches slightly better. I suppose because can 'see' the dots better
Karel ,it seems that you are right 😀I played a CD the other day that skipped in the past. On my DvD player It didn't skip😀
That's what I thought to comment too.
The DVD player almost certainly uses a normal CD infra-red laser. One way to tell: Can it play CD-Rs at all? If it can, it's using an infra-red laser. If it can't, it might be using the DVD's red laser.
What you're likely seeing is a better lens, better error-correction algorithm, or something along those lines. There's no inherent advantage. I have lots of CD-playing-capable devices and they vary widely in ability to read poor quality or recordable media.
@@nickwallette6201 Well Nick all I know is I got that one CD that always skipped badly and played it on my DvD player and it didn't skip.
I mead the said disc wouldn't ever play on my cd player .😀😀
@@Jermeister12 Oh yeah, I believe you! I had a disc once that wouldn't play in my Sony ES car CD player. Put it into a Discman and it read perfectly. That happens. :-)
The Bluray player I use sounds so good from the RCA out's , I can't hardly believe it! I'm sure I could get better dynamic contrast , ultimately from a high quality separates CD transport, and better outboard dac combo, with increases here and there. But, for dirt cheap, I'm flabbergasted how good some of these old video disc players DAC's and output is!
it pretty clear what is important here, your happiness and satisfaction. It sounds like you have plenty of both :) happy tunes.
Clearly depends on the model! and requirement.
Smart man thanks Paul!
No, the best cd playback is the first 16bit DAC that came out from Philips TDA1541A.
90s CD players in general are the best. Technics SOAD70A is the best transport mech from the 90s, it reads everything instantly.
I have some optical drives for computers that are supposed to be able to read cd's and dvd's, now some of them can only read cd's and some of them can only read dvd's .. (they have lost the ability to read both) why does this happen and can it be fixed?
Great video thanks
Not sure what's he trying to say about the audio level, the disc moving up and down shouldn't change the audio level, it's digital, just ones and zeros and it's not like a vinyl record where you can physically slow down or speed up the turn table. That's what a buffer is for, a temporary memory for the information to be store in case of a glitch in the data stream cause by vibration or movement, it reads a head and stores the data in the buffer so there will be no interruption in play back!
Buy a dvd or a blue ray player and use the optical output through even a cheap DAC into your receiver. You'll notice an immediate improvement in the quality of your music.
I'm in the belief that a xbox disc reader has a very different component setup in the hardware and software that has a better load out and info storage that makes the CD's sound better verses the regular CD's on the market. However, that's also true about its capability to read DVD and well. Just seems like a better audio and video experience , for me anyway..this is good info on this . Thanks
What about High Resolution music on Bluray?
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“It is what happens after that information is read.” The Digital to Analog Converter (DAC); the pre-amp; etc. all contribute to the signal that is sent to the power amp. I witnessed the difference between CD players just recently, when I heard Van Halen’s 5150 songs (2004 remastered versions) through the NAD C568. This equipment made them sound like the 1986 LP.
Huh. I would've figured that a NAD player would have a lower noise floor.
@@nickwallette6201 As “rich” as the LP, without the noise.
@@gokhanersan8561 I know, I was just toying with ya. :-D
Hey Paul how did the Perfectwave manage to buffer a whole CD in a few seconds?
Probably doesn't, just buffers enough (a few seconds worth) so that the buffer doesn't empty as it's filling rate varies (as a result of keeping the output clock steady while the input jitters) for the rest of the CD play time. That's not very well phrased, but I hope you get the idea! (I have no personal experience of the Perfectwave, just an engineering background.)
My Sony UBP X-800 Blu-ray is a very good transport and sounds outstanding playing CD's....
@Baba Ganush If using analog outs, understandable since you would be using the Dac and analog audio circuits of the DVD or bd player, so no mystery there.
If using digital out like coax, optical or hdmi, sound quality should mostly depend on the external dac or prepro or receiver used for da conversion, assuming similar amps used
If you are a bits are bits person and don’t believe disc transport or jitter affect sound quality, then you shouldn’t care what disc player is used with a digital output
@Baba Ganush another issue could be the blu ray or DVD player up sampling CDs to 48, 96 or 192khz, which could easily affect the sound.
Many dvd and bd players do this by default. You need to turn off upsampling in the player’s setup menus
Some players may also have a digital filter option in their settings
So for meaningful comparison among disc players, all these menu options need to be off, then use digital out to the same external dac/prepro/receiver/amps
If you plan to compare disc players analog out sound quality, you should also be aware of these menu settings, which may or may not be applied to the analog outs
@@geraldford6409 I thought that.
Hello good morning, I love your channel, and I have a question, I have a yamaha HTR3080 home theater, I want to connect a yamaha EQ-70 equalizer, do you know how to do that? Or if you can with a special cable?
With most Yamaha home theater receivers there’s no way to really connect an equalizer. They really have no need for one, though. What are you trying to equalize on it?
Wow!! I haven’t seen a stand-alone EQ in years.
My dad used his first DVD player purchased around early 2001 almost soleley fro play his CDs for near 7 years until it died, and his second one for the same purpose ever since 2008.
We should all handle our bits with care to get the most fun from them.
Excellent, Thanks. A DVD player may not have a dedicated "display" like a CD player does.
CD players have an internal clock of 44.1khz on their DAC obviously. On the other hand DVD and Blu-ray discs players have internal clocking at 48khz since that is the video standard. Very important to understand this. The last thing you want is a machine doing a poor job of sample rate conversion. So it's better to sample rate convert your music to 48khz before using DVD or Blu-ray to play music.
They usually have both clocks, and select the one it needs. OR, might derive the correct clock from a higher-frequency master clock divided down or synthesized via PLL. Any of these are valid. It would have to be a pretty cheap player to lock at 48kHz, since even the DVD audio formats (DVD-Video audio formats, not necessarily DVD-Audio formats, although those too!) may require the ability to run at 96kHz as well, so the clock has to be somewhat flexible anyway.
@@nickwallette6201 Yes, in some it will upsample the 44.1khz signal to multiples of 48khz. My phone upsamples everything to 384khz and can play DSD files up to dsd128, so anything divisible by 384 sounds smoother and has a better sound stage. When playing 44.1khz files the algorithm does an ok job at resampling to 384khz, but you can tell it's being resampled. My new 4k blu-ray player only lets you choose 48, 96 or 192 for clocking, although it can also play Cd's and (SACD) and dsd up to 256.
@@380stroker That's super common for computing devices, since they have to have an audio mixer capable of blending streams from different processes (system sounds, simultaneous audio applications, etc.) That has been the case since Win9x, where you had a sound card that may (or may not!) have an adjustable playback rate, but you got to use it for ONE audio source at a time, and every other application would tell you "audio device busy" if you tried to play a second concurrent stream. The fix was to have a fixed sampling rate to the hardware, and merge all audio streams via SRC. This also allowed digital volume control and in-line effects, EQ, etc. Some hardware (SB Live!, for example) would do something similar at the hardware level, to mix audio from onboard synths, digital audio, analog inputs, etc.
I won't say that NO standalone players do this, since many are just computers now anyway. But since they're usually based on SOCs with hardware optimizations for media handling, it's pretty uncommon to see fixed clocking. I'm curious why your player even HAS a clocking setting exposed to the user? Are you sure it's not just a limiter on the maximum output frequency, to ensure compatibility with HDMI devices that don't support 24/96?
@@nickwallette6201 No, the 4k player lets you adjust output as PCM or DSD and Sample rate at 48, 96 and 192. It's a Sony 4k blu-ray player. It plays DVD-Audio, SACD, Blu-ray Audio, DSD files, PCM files ect...
@@380stroker Hm.. I was thinking of pickup up the 800 or 1000ES. Curious what model you have?
'Ole Audiophile To Paul: I personally own & use a twenty year old DVD unit that does show 'some' superiority over a CD unit, it was a first generation DVD-Audio player that used a CD only feature called Double Remaster where it played back CDs at 176.4 with three levels a variables. Now, luck to you explaining the differences between a DVD Audio capable player & your run of the mill DVD Video player to the masses my friend. Safe to call it what it was this long in, it was a Panasonic DVD F-85 five disc changer.
A whole lot older & a bit slower & more awkward, the unit still works as advertised, go figure. It's a Panasonic! wow, I wait with bated breath for its eventual demise.../Sure wouldn't have happened with a Sony, one can bet on that from my personal experience.
I did an AB comparison between a JVC 1991 CD player with a 1 bit 8X over sampling rate and a Toshiba 2008 192khz 24 bit DVD player using duplicate copies of factory made CDs. I couldn't tell them apart if my life depended on it. Using the JVCs fixed output even the output levels were indistinguishable. I really like the JVC model because of its many features including remote adjustable volume, no need to hook up a TV monitor and all controls available on both the remote control and on the player itself. The DVD players were very cheap so I bought a bunch of them including a 5 disc player. The JVC unit has been very reliable with no problems in constant use for 28 years. I'm tempted to buy an identical used backup unit on ebay just in case. It's better than my prior Denon unit that cost 4 times as much and periodically had reliability problems.
My favorite piece of HIGH END VINTAGE audio equipment [circa 1987] is the JVC XL-M700 that not only looks & performs well but also sounds great !! On my JVC XL-M700 I can insert a 6 CD Cartridge & select the albums & songs I want to list to an any order & number of times I want. The addl single tray CD adds more convenience to play an added single cd. I store all my CD album cases in custom displayed oak cabinets and all the CD's in JVC CD numbered Cartridges. I created a spiral bound reference guide that lists each of the 6 CD albums inside each numbered cd cartridge along with specific favorite songs. In addition to all these ease of use benefits, I never have to physically handle my CD's. This JVC CD cartridge system allows me more time to listen to the music instead of trying to find it !!
I use a Cambridge Audio DACMagic which to me sounds great but it wont (to my knowledge) handle SACD DSD stream.
While still being on the stagecoach (at the moat is more like it), I didn't understand very much of the information that was being delivered. However, you are very funny. That's a plus in my book !!! Soooo, for novices like me, can a cd be played on a dvd player ? 😏
Bobbi, it can, however in my limited experience the sound isn't as good as using a dedicated cd player. Perhaps it's due to a mismatch in the laser wavelength as mentioned in this video. I only have a cheap dvd player, so maybe a higher end one would perform better as a pure audio player. The result of playing a cd via a dvd machine is passable, however you might miss some detail in the music which might spoil your enjoyment somewhat. So probably not one for an audiophile. Ian
Well, a receiver have a different input for CD and DVD because CD is plain stereo and DVD comes with surround, that is the difference, or not ?
My .02 is that the CD design spec was to the limit of the physical constraints of the read mechanism and disc at the time . So when you take a smaller wavelength laser the laser edge is more defined and results in less jitter in reading the same CD disc. Also the platter speeds were likely better controlled with DVD and possibly better still with blu-ray Also likely that blu lasers have better read quality to avoid errors. Personally I preferred DVD to SACD sound when done well. Just pull out your old Sopranos TV show and listen to the music at the end of each show. The fidelity is rather impressive even through a lower cost DVD player in IMHO economies of scale of DVD players ( the fastest adopted consumer electronics category of all time) allowed for better sound at similar lower price points than for CD players.
CD, DVD, and BD all use different laser wavelengths. So, in a BD player, you will usually have a blue laser for BD, a red laser for DVD, and an infra-red laser for CD. You don't get the advantages of more precise lasers because you're literally not even using them on lower-density media.
It is _possible_ to use a red laser to read CD, but you give up the ability to read CD-R and CD-RW discs completely. The red laser can't "see" the dye.
Slightly surprised by the answer, I'd have thought there would be some difference in how 'focused' the laser is in a dvd-rom when playing cd's. since many would be variable.
One of the main selling points when I bought a Sony S7700 almost 25 years ago, was their dual lens.
I guess c2c error correction would maybe be something too, but not sure about that in players, maybe moreso a thing in computer drives.
I have a CD player, about 15 years old and recently replaced the drive tray mechanism, including the laser. Guess what ? the drive was a dvd drive. Bought a drop-in replacement together with a spare. Good for a few more years. By that time, the tech will be there to extract all the info from a cd, I hope.
? It already is...
@@nickwallette6201 how do you know?
@@tadeusz1 "By that time, the tech will be there to extract all the info from a cd" -- This is what I was referring to. The tech is _already there_ to extract the info from a CD. It's been there since the mid-late 90s. All it takes is a CD-ROM drive and some software - like Exact Audio Copy or cdparanoia.
I've been partial to Plextor drives, since they expose good error correction data to help discover when an audio sector may not have been read perfectly, so the software can retry automatically. But they're not the only ones that do that.
With the right hardware and software, there's nothing of any consequence on the CD that doesn't end up in the ripped file. (The sub-channels don't, but that's mostly positioning data which has no purpose outside of the CD anyway. All of the audio data is there, and that's all that matters.)
Paul, DVD drives operate at two different wavelengths, sometimes (always?) with two separate lasers entirely. It’s very common for PlayStation 2s or 3s to have one ‘laser’ die but the others still be perfectly functional, rendering them unable to play some games, for example.
I play my cd’s on my blue ray player using the orange digital cable sound outlet to my amp and the sound is like night and day compared to using your red and black av cables. Its amazing.
Hi Paul,
Don't cheap dvd players have cheaper parts for the spdif output when using a outboard DAC? Thanks!
Did anyone else "hear" the exact tone, timbre, and cadence in which this question would be asked....before pressing play? 😉
What about that dvd players can output digital audio over HDMI? Will that be a better "transport" than the analog stage on a CD player?
Very informative
Are there software that will record DVD audio at 24/96?
Even if there were, where would you buy the blank discs to record 24/96?
James Koralewski What makes you think the blank media would dictate that?
do audio books play on a standard cd player? if not what will play audio books?
Depends on the format of the audiobook. If it’s on standard CDs like most, then yes. Some are mp3-CDs (mp3 files on CD-ROM) and a standard CD player won’t play that. Many DVD players, even (and especially) really cheap ones will.
They should build disk players with a switch to turn off error correction. Then you'd hear clearly the difference a transport can make.
I bought a Philips 204 CD player couple of years back, which has the same chipsets as my old 151. Except 204 uses the fabled CMD-1 mech, instead of lightweight CMD-2 in 151
Never would have believed how much difference that could make...
Sure there may be other minor differences between the two as well, 204 has twice the circuitry and sturdier PSU, but still the main chips are the same, and they really don't sound same at all.
Most audiophiles and reviewers mention all of the video-circuitry in a DVD-player as a negative influence on the sound, and the (and Paul hints at this) often lower grade sound-treatment post-drive, so clock and analogue circuits and filters. I think this is where the big differences lie: a dedicated CD-player only has one job to do and it'll be comparatively easier to do this well on a budget, than a DVD-player which needs much more complex, power-pulling circuitry. So everything I've read and heard is that all else being equal, a CD-player will sound better than a DVD-player for CD's. At least that's how I understand it with my limited knowledge..
Usually DVD players have much higher jitter but not always. Laser disc players had a better clamping mechanism and was thought to make a better transport.
Doesnt really matter. The tech for reading CDs and DVDs is quite reliable, tested and proven. What really matters is the digital signal being sent to a good dac.
On the best DVD players all video circuitry can be turned off.
@@humanbass Of course but that signal is affected by everything else just as in a transport.
@@humanbass any suggestions for a good DAC to go with my av receiver?
One thing that makes it better -- no onboard DAC needed. Since most DVD/Blu-ray players have digital audio out, there's no need to convert it when going to your AVR. This makes them more like CD transports.
What about using a reclocker like my Marantz SA-8005 does. It uses a Cirrus Logic CS-4368 chip.
I have a Marantz SA-8004. Best CD player I ever had.
I have a first gen and a hitachi an 90s onkyo carrusel, some discmans and several dvd players some bluray players, iomega in my pc etc, all read the same quality, the only main diference are the lack of formats(cd rw, sacd, mp3 etc) and the speed of reading discs
I have kickass versions of both...Marantz CD 6005 and an Oppo BDP 105D! HAPPY DAYS!
SACDs sounds better on your 105 than a standalone SACD player?
@@JohnSmith-zl8rz i only listen to them in 2 channel, the difference is minimal at the very most...those 2 players have very similar capabilities...
loved the Dr. Evil "LASER" reference... hahahaha
Yep - here's a little piece I wrote bout them there LASER Disc2-If you like?
2x-file.blogspot.com/2013/07/what-i-like-best-about-laserdisc.html
I just watched that last night but didn't get it. Durp.
My brother still has laser discs and the player : ).
CD-players always have all the bottons on the faceplate whereas with many DVD and Bluray players you ave forever looking after the remote + many nnow omit the lcd screen. But soundwise it's not worlds apart. Some Cd-players are a bit better, the MASH ones from Technics are the first that come to mind, but another pair of speakers will have a much greater effect on the audio. ;-)
An interesting Q: if I wanted to listen to only audio from a dvd, must I connect the video- out of the player to a load, ie a tv video-in socket, regardless of I needed the video or not? I didn't and now the preamp of my dvd player is sorta damaged, having distortion. It was a rare but cheap nakamichi player and if used with cardas hexlink interconnects, sounds like a $1k dedicated cdp.
I just just my bluray player connected with coaxial into an external dac to amplifier to speaker.depend on what you want im guessing you mean the analogue about is damaged on your player which is the onboard DAC!.
@@markclancy5371 yes onboard dac damaged bcos overloaded by video signal which wasn't connected to any load like a tv. True?
@@markclancy5371 I used only rca for audio out. Not hdmi. So the video output had no load and overloaded by the signal and ruined the whole dac. Correct?
@@2mikelim don't think it will be overloaded separate circuit boards.it could only be bad capacitors they do go with age.you could get it repaired and put a better opamp in it or like me get an decent external dac run it off coaxial
@@markclancy5371 it happened a day after the incident and the player was just a few months old.
As I understand information on discs is duplicated to allow for error correction. My CD player apparently cut the error correction to improve the sound. This resulted in many discs being unreadable until the firmware was updated. The way error correction is handled must be a big factor in the final signal quality.
You can't really "cut" the error correction. There IS redundant information because it's expected that the optical process isn't going to be perfect. The process of turning the signal from the laser into PCM data requires going through a specific set of transformations. You can't omit those and still get a valid result at the end, and even if you could, it wouldn't be "higher quality" -- it would just be wrong some of the time. Using the error-correction as intended should yield a stream that is an exact duplicate of what went on the disc. You can't get any higher-quality than that.
My guess is, the firmware had bugs that failed to handle errors correctly. Errors are incredibly common. If your player screws up the process of recovering from them, it will make for a defective player -- as you found out. :-) There is definitely no advantage to it. Nobody would engineer it that way intentionally.
@@nickwallette6201 I was told they had tried to reduce the amount of error correction. Some discs did work, but many did not.
@@michaeltb1358 I hear ya, but I think whoever told you that was mistaken.
It doesn't make any sense, at a technical level. And in terms of having a desirable outcome, is about as sensible as having monks duplicate text books by speed-reading to improve transcription accuracy. ;-)
@@michaeltb1358 error correction is your friend
...So the buffer functions similar to an UART buffer?
@LD Blake Does that buffer also function as a so called 'anti-shock' or 'anti-skipping' buffer?
I have done this comparison with my Sony UBP-X800 and Sony MXD-D3, and yeah everything you said is the truth, my system is half vintage and new stuff, with the CD player connected to my equalizer it sounds as good though, more gain on the signal makes it sound the same
I have that same 4K player and it does sound nice for CD's but my Yamaha CD S300 which is a cheap $300 CD player sounds much better than the 4K player.
My Sony UBP X800 M2 4K plays everything very well though my AVR and my LG OLED 4K TV.
My question is wich format..is better to record music?