@@artorius4809 I think so. "flemeth defined you in every way, are your thoughts your or her? You still with her plan despite your wish for freedom. Tell me are you not guilty to deceive the only person who is your? Your only friend/your lover?
Morrigan is just awesome like that. In the fade too. Everyone is being manipulated by the demon and you have to persuade or fight them. Morrigan's just like: "Finally you're here. Get this stupid demon off me please."
Oghren uses his alcohol to cope with a lot of stuff, being funny and joking and being the joke also helps him cope with all he’s gone through. I feel sad for him when this comes up and he has to bare that all in front of two others and the player. Then has to put the whole drunk dwarf mask back on. Imagine having a confrontation scene with him and you can drive him even further and become a raging drunk or sober up and try again at life but this time on the surface.
There's more. In the Battle of Denerim, his best statement goes as this: "You took in a drunken disgrace of an Orzammar warrior. You gave me the reason to fight and the will to keep going. You helped me find the one woman in the sodding world who might put up with me, and you helped me get past Branka so I could have someone new. I owe you a lot, Warden. I consider it a fine honor to die for you and your cause. Let the Stone turn red from the blood of heroes. Today I will be the warrior you taught me to be."
The worst thing they did to Oghren was to make Orzammar a late-game quest. It makes sense for the story, but all of the moments that make Oghren an interesting character come in the quests you probably did before you recruited him.
It’s better with the city elf origin if you chose to abandon Shianni and take the bribe. She had that ordeal coming up by being rash with that bottle but my city elf realized what a mistake she made after taking the money. Guardian was a total savage then.
@@IceSpoon Plus your dad was already dying and your mom made the decision to die with him because she has nothing left (dumb reason because its not true she had 2 surviving children) There was zero use of you staying. You can harp back at him that you are comfortable with your decision and you should be.
Ah, Shepard, the trusty leader, the one who can always be found vanguard. And yet, cant dance. Do you regret your quest to defeat the reapers has prevented you from taking class of salsa?
Ahh the turian, Garrus Vakarian. You were meant to finish your calibrations on the normandy. Do you regret that you didnt finish your long live purpose?
Ah, Tali-Zorah Vas Normandy. Your father was lost to his own hubris, his ideals and inability to see what was in front of him. You tread the same dark, dangerous path as he, and only once you embrace the truth will you break free. You must see the emergency induction port for what it truly is: a straw.
I think that flemmeth shielded her daughter from the guardians magic somehow. This is a very private moment for everyone, even Zev sounds pissed and Oghren oh hell... but Flemmeth want's to keep her secrets and so those of her daughter.
@@Spherrum Refusing to answer doesn't mean he doesn't know. He just wants an honest answer from them, if he knows he won't get it, he won't continue with it.
I wonder what he would have said to the dog. "You were a good boi, not so much. Do you regret leaving your boi friends in Ostagar and not helping your fellow good bois?"
- Yes, It is your turn. I have little to ask or demand to know in your case. You are a good andrastian, a noble soul. You can proceed directly to the Urn.
@@lennynull-funf-zehn5416 considering some lore things cory ass almost definitely didn’t like create the blight(there’s some ancient elvhen stuff pointing to the blight existing back then) but he is of the 5 or so sentient darkspawn. he probably does have an idea of how to corrupt lyrium since he’s been Like That so long
@@byuonesI agree. Based on the evidence (the existence of red lyrium in the ancestral thaig, the elvhen conflict against the Forgotten Ones and the dragons, Corypheus saying the Black City wasn't golden when he got there, Solas claiming the Evanuris would have destroyed the world etc...), I'd say that the Blight is likely a biological weapon created by the Evanuris to fight the Titans and/or the Forgotten Ones, and that Solas confined it to the Black City along with the Evanuris that created it. It's also possible that the Forgotten Ones (7 in number) and the Old Gods are one and the same, and that maybe they incited the Magisters to enter the Black City in an effort to claim the Blight for their own, which inevitably backfired.
+Walter Camacho Pretty much sums up every mystical appearance in Dragon age, a spirit mimicking somebody who already died long ago, believing so firmly in there role that they actually become that person, even tough in the end they are still a spirit. Same happens to Leliana if you kill her in the temple of sacred ashes if you corrupt the ashes. Tough for some reason there is a connection to the lyrium too (perhaps lyrium makes the veil thinner?)
I think Oghren is actually right about what the Guardian is. He is or was a man, but was changed and kept alive by the massive deposits of lyrium under the mountain.
I honesty find 2:26 very touching. I remember when reached that part as a human mage, it almost hit me close to home by some past actions I regret to this day and having these companions comfort me warms my heart. Even by the ones you'd never expect to tell you to let the past go.
It's weird who she is supposed to be the sage character of the group, but her life views are all pretty simple, black-and-white leaving no room for ambiguity. Meanwhile, Morrigan is..... well, some age. One of the devs claimed they originally though of her as being about thirty, while I always viewed her as one of the younger members of the ground and most people seem to envision her in her early twenties. Anyways her views are far more in line with the worlds cutthroat nature.
I just did this part for a Dwarf Commoner and I was a bit taken aback by how rude she was when I answered. I mean I only kept my answer to myself because the replies made no sense - implying that, if I said I had no regrets, that my family was miserable. I mean my mother and sister are living in the Diamond Quarter, concubine to the king, so it makes no sense ..
SPOILER ALERT FOR INQUISITION its funny how he says that we will remain until the imperium crumbles, guess he didnt expect the temple to get blasted into a demon spawning black hole
@@BLCJ123 Yes, actually whatever happens: if you corrupt the Urn /if you don't, if you kill the High Dragon / if you don't, if Brother Genitivi returns to Denerim, the outcome is that the Urn always dissapears. When Inquisition happens the Chantry the Urn is missing only the empty Temple remains.
I love Morrigan's refusal to humor the guardian. This might be a spirit (maybe of faith) that took on the form of one of Andraste's followers. Maybe the spirit is an amalgam of several andrastrian followers, as spirits tend to change depending on what they are exposed to in the "real" world. The presence of large amounts of lyrium in the mountain (as pointed out by Oghren) supports this notion, as lyrium is considered a bridge between the waking world and the fade. The people that appear later to test you (those historically related to Andraste) can also be explained as fade spirits playing the roles they saw in the waking world. Morrigan might've at least had an inkling of what was going on and decided not to be toyed with by confused fade spirits.
As do I, I'm quite skeptical there is a "Maker", and I believe the Black City belonged to the ancient Elvhen and now harbours the old gods from Solas' banishment of them. It's quite amusing that so much fanatical (faithful) belief is summed up as nothing but spirits in the fade grasping at their spiritual purpose. Morrigan and Wynne are polar opposites, I believe Morrigan sees the world for what it truly is whereas Wynne deluded herself in demands of comfort.
Its because the Spirit could read them and speak of matters he was not present for In her case it was Flemmeth and Morrigan's scheme to acquire the Elder God soul from the Archdemon, she didnt want The Guardian to mention that she was deceiving the player
"And you, Dog... Every day, you are taunted with the same question, one which you fear you will never know the answer to. You wonder if you'll ever find out who's a good boy."
Same here. Well, actually, my head canon has two mages in addition to all the other origins (A mid twenties male Surana and a younger sort of female Amell) but essentially the same,
I like that head canon too, but I wonder, if all 6 wardens were in the same party, what would happen in Orzammar? The dwarf commoner would side with Bhelen for Rica's sake, but the dwarf noble would be loath to do that after Bhelen betrayed them.
@@Blokewood3 That one is complicated. Bhelen technically framed Reina (Dwarf Noble) and I just had to ADD some things to the story to make it work. Basically Haldis (Casteless Dwarf) finds evidence of Bhelen's blackmail (as well as his forgeries he'd tried to get Haldis to peddle during her quest) and turns it over to the Shaperate. They confirm that the seal used to blackmail the "witnesses" against Reina was Bhelen's and when Haldis returns with the Crown of the Deep she gives it to Reina instead of either Harrowmont or Bhelen. When Bhelen accuses her of being a stupid Duster she has the Shaper confirm his repeated fraud and get's Bhelen removed from the Memories instead. Of course that's when Bhelen rebels. Headcanon does require actions outside of the possibilities of the game on occasion.
Is this a mod you're using or just dedicated editing? I love how you can have all the companions are there for the cutscenes. If it's a mod, I'd LOVE to add it to my collection.
Theory: He’s a Spirit of Judgement, taking the form of a younger Havard the Aegis. While Faith is also a possibility, I think his questions reflect self-judgement more than belief. Note how he doesn’t question if Stan regrets murdering children, but if he’s made his people appear like monsters for it. Sten’s judgement is wrapped up in the Qun, which doesn’t let him have even individual guilt outside of how he harms the whole of his people. The Guardian is remarkably adept at reading the silent Qunari in a way he can’t easily dismiss. Forcing the confrontation Sten must have with himself over his duty as a part of the Beresaad and not some cast off. Lelianna’s treatment seems especially brutal, because I think she’s one of the most guilt-ridden characters in the game. She questions nearly every action she undertakes so the Guardian attacks her with apparent ferocity, that, in the end, is only a reflection of her struggle to believe she is a person capable of redemption. She’s whipping herself with her own belief and the Guardian brings that out to demonstrate what she must overcome. Oghren displays a profound sense of self. He has contempt for himself but he doesn’t let it stop him from moving forward. Still, it could also reflect that the Guardian sees he’s not ready to confront his further problems (hard drinking) and let’s it go. Morrigan refuses to engage. The Guardian doesn’t pressure her. It’s obvious she’s not handling her own doubts/insecurities well and belittling her will not help. Zevran’s exchange is telling. He doesn’t shut the Spirit down right off without answering his question. Showing the Guardian (and himself) that the harsh slave-childhood he had hasn’t fully extinguished the spark of who he is. For all his glibness he’s not the heartless murderer he seems. Shame is a near blank. But the Guardian recognizes the decisions she made in the past and has to make in the narrow scope of her new form. And praises her strength. The Warden is always confronted with the pain of someone they love. Implying they still haven’t forgiven themselves for failing in some way. Each failed person comforts them in the Trials. Picture the Warden walking into the room, probably ruminating on the Guardian’s harsh words, only to find their loved one confronting them. Teryn Cousland is warm and fatherly. Trian is caustic and bitter. Tamlen is open and trusting. They are perfect representations of themselves, not badly crafted imitators. The Trial there is to speak to who you’ve failed and find a way to move on.
I only played as Dwarf Noble (Trian was already dead when i arrived, i didnt kill him in a fight) The Guardian asks you if regret Trians death or something like that :D
@@Kalenz1234 Jeez yea, expecially when you play the other origins and realize Bhelen is the better ruler, as a Noble you have 0 reason to trust anything anyone related to Bhelen.
but it makes me so MAD. Like, getting this scene requires you to take him places. Which at this point of the game the average player doesn't even consider anymore because he's *the actual worst* the other 98% of the time.
Salocinist no? I’ve never had a problem leveling him correctly, I go to Orzammar first, pick him up, get him out of my party so he doesn’t glitch out when I leave, and go get Wynne, I get both of them around level 8, Zevran is the worst half the time since you have to have completed a main quest to get him By the time anyone completes anything, they are closer to level 11, he is the worst out of all of the companions auto-level wise, I should know, I have done Infinity XP in Ostagar many times, he is always the worst since he doesn’t have Lockpicking, has zero strength and like 50 cunning Everyone else levels somewhat OK, not him Lots of people go to the Circle to get Wynne first, the reason I get Oghren is (assuming you leave Lothering at level 8) you have to do 2 quests for whoever you are supporting to get him, that alone is quite a bit of XP, add the Circle of Magi to that and you will be level 13 or so, just over half the level cap I’m good enough leveling that I can save most people except Loghain Ultimately, it’s more of a toss up of getting Shale or Oghren first, not Wynne or Oghren first I truly don’t understand why people save Orzammar for Last then complain the companion they got there is auto leveled to shit, do the Brecillan Forest last! If you get Oghren then leave Orzammar (not with him in your party cuz you will bug him out), go get Shale, then go get Wynne and do the Circle of Magi, you just grabbed 3 companions you would usually complain about at around level 9-10 Everyone can be saved if you know the tricks of the game (cough cough loghain can’t cough)
There are more occasions. In the Battle of Denerim, his best speech is surprisingly deep: "You took in a drunken disgrace of an Orzammar warrior. You gave me the reason to fight and the will to keep going. You helped me find the one woman in the sodding world who might put up with me, and you helped me get past Branka so I could have someone new. I owe you a lot, Warden. I consider it a fine honor to die for you and your cause. Oghren: Let the Stone turn red from the blood of heroes. Today I will be the warrior you taught me to be."
Agreed! I need to know this as well. Not just the other origins, but the other companions being present as well. My canon tale requires all my other origin characters to be companions.
Interestingly enough idk if this is a glitch or not, but when I played through this section as a Human Noble I purposely chose "my answers are my own" and after the usual comments about how the Warden's silence says volumes Wynne and Alistair and even Sten all said things like "the past is the past, let it go, don't blame yourself". I'm not sure if that was a glitch or if they did that on purpose because they could kind of tell the Warden did feel guilty about the massacre of their family, even if they acted stoic about it and gave a vague answer. I also got + approval from Sten, so I guess he likes it if the Warden acts stoic in response to the Guardian's question lol.
Jade Empire is the worst, only allowed to have 1, Kotor did way better with 2, Mass Effect had the same, Origins went to 3, and nothing had changed since
What mods did you use for these videos? The characters are diffcult to find and not to mention the whole party conversing and my three favorite Origins at the same time.
I haven't gone this far with all origins, but when playing as a human noble I pretty much teared up when I saw Bryce afterwards. Can you do a video with the "people" you meet after the riddles for all the origins? Or can someone point me to one?
Wynne was by far my least favourite companion. I know she was just trying to offer advice and all, but all I heard was "Screw you, I know better because I'm older than you. By the way, why don't you join the Circle? I know I'm running away from it every chance I get, but still." xD
When I recruited Wynne, my relationship with Morrigan was just beginning to "heat up", but we hadn't even left the circle at that time. When I spoke to her briefly around the time we confronted Uldred, she was quick to offer her unwanted two cents on this relationship she knew nothing about, in a group of people she literally just met. Made me lose some amount of respect for her right away.
So andraste says she spoke to the maker with absolutely no evidence to back her up and everyone looses their minds and praise her. Leliana does it and she must be lying? Who did the maker tell that he gave up on them if andraste was dead? And spirits know even less about the maker than humans do. So who is the guarding to claim leliana is lying?
Andraste apparently also performed miracles and was insanely charismatic. My hunch is she was a mage and probably a host to a powerful spirit. Heck, maybe even a blood mage who controlled others into loving her.
Wow ... You do notice that the origins characters are standing on the exact same spot? What a coincidence , one would surely think he has edited the video in a movie editor but that cannot be , for an individual would need... a fucking functioning brain to see that , Jesus fucking Christ. No offense to Christians.
How did you get that many party members around while still having their lines featured (zz_addparty doesn't allow that) and how did you get multiple pc characters present at the same time?
How are you playing with 3 origins at once, which mod is this? and what mod did you use to have all the companions at once? I've already used a command that allows you to do that, but every time one of them spoke, the screen bugged and didn't show any of them.
***** She has three wardens, the short dark hair in the heavy armor is the Cousland, the Long suave hair is Amell, The guy in the rogue armor is the Dalish Warden so she has three wardens
It’s very weird how accusatory and aggressive the guardian gets to Leliana here. The rest of the cast he’s very neutral even respectful & compassionate. But it is so odd he shames Leliana for her beliefs. Maybe he’s right in that she was unconsciously coping with idea of being a nobody but there feels like some sort of bias or intent his tone with her but not with others
![Orzammar [party comments] | Dragon Age: Origins](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/GxA1YAHSicQ/mqdefault.jpg)
Guardian:And you dog...
Dog: (inquisitive bark)
Guardian: ...you are a very good boy
Dog: (happy bark)
was about to post a similar comment xD go barkspawn
Daaaaamn missed opportunity, or could go real deep about how he just wants to protect the warden above all else
The guardian's just like 'shit i have to emotionally question ALL of these guys??'
Morrigan: I will not play your games
The rest: wait that was an option?
bruh lmao
I wonder what he would've asked,about the ritual or just Flemeth and her relationship
@@artorius4809 I think so.
"flemeth defined you in every way, are your thoughts your or her? You still with her plan despite your wish for freedom. Tell me are you not guilty to deceive the only person who is your? Your only friend/your lover?
Morrigan is just awesome like that.
In the fade too. Everyone is being manipulated by the demon and you have to persuade or fight them.
Morrigan's just like: "Finally you're here. Get this stupid demon off me please."
The Warden can do the same, by selecting "My answer is my own".
Welcome pil- oh Maker, this is a lot more than I was expecting.
Kasim HAH
How are there so many? Mods? There's also 2 player wardens from what I can tell, the Magi and the Royal human beginings
This is literally my favorite part of the whole game. I don't know why, but I love the Gauntlet.
One of my favorites. I wonder what he was going to ask Morrigan.
izaiah rios I always figured it would either be about her mother or about The Dark Ritual... :/
Yeah probably
We all do hate the bridge puzzle though and look up the solution on TH-cam to spare our precious time...
only me? ;_;
Bridge puzzle is easy
6:54 Oghren suddenly just became the most badass party members in my eyes.
Yeah, there is a lot more to him than drunken dwarf, he’s actually got some depth most of that is made of alcohol but it’s depth nonetheless
Oghren uses his alcohol to cope with a lot of stuff, being funny and joking and being the joke also helps him cope with all he’s gone through.
I feel sad for him when this comes up and he has to bare that all in front of two others and the player. Then has to put the whole drunk dwarf mask back on. Imagine having a confrontation scene with him and you can drive him even further and become a raging drunk or sober up and try again at life but this time on the surface.
And to top it off he literally drank the whole chalice of darkspawn blood and just burp while still standing tall
Oghren was always badass you just gotta get through the Deeproads and not be a warrior to notice.
Oghren is so sad, people always say he is a slimy cliche dwarf, but this one statement he says adds so much to his character
There's more. In the Battle of Denerim, his best statement goes as this:
"You took in a drunken disgrace of an Orzammar warrior. You gave me the reason to fight and the will to keep going. You helped me find the one woman in the sodding world who might put up with me, and you helped me get past Branka so I could have someone new. I owe you a lot, Warden. I consider it a fine honor to die for you and your cause.
Let the Stone turn red from the blood of heroes. Today I will be the warrior you taught me to be."
The worst thing they did to Oghren was to make Orzammar a late-game quest. It makes sense for the story, but all of the moments that make Oghren an interesting character come in the quests you probably did before you recruited him.
You can do Orzammar at any point after Lothering, even right after if you want.
@@LordSusaga That was probably the reason he comes back in Awakening.
Ogrhen is awesome, and very underrated.
He pretty much says you abandoned your mother and father to die... ouch..
The Guardian is ruthless
Had you said "no", then Duncan would have said "nah, you coming with us, mate". So...eh.
It’s better with the city elf origin if you chose to abandon Shianni and take the bribe. She had that ordeal coming up by being rash with that bottle but my city elf realized what a mistake she made after taking the money. Guardian was a total savage then.
@@TheGeoCheese You're a monster.
@@federicomachado811 I needed the money. Unfortunately I forgot to pick it up when I finally got back to Denerim 🤣.
@@IceSpoon Plus your dad was already dying and your mom made the decision to die with him because she has nothing left (dumb reason because its not true she had 2 surviving children) There was zero use of you staying. You can harp back at him that you are comfortable with your decision and you should be.
"Only the fool is completely certain of himself." She said certainly.
Just like saying "only sith deal in absolutes" is self contradictory coming from a Jedi.
One of those platitudes she spouts off having heard it so many times. I wonder if she even understands what it means.
@@blacklite911 Sith and Jedi are two extremes on the same spectrum.
Old Republic lore did it a thousand times better then Lucas or Disney.
Ah, Shepard, the trusty leader, the one who can always be found vanguard. And yet, cant dance. Do you regret your quest to defeat the reapers has prevented you from taking class of salsa?
Ahh the turian, Garrus Vakarian. You were meant to finish your calibrations on the normandy. Do you regret that you didnt finish your long live purpose?
Ah, Tali-Zorah Vas Normandy. Your father was lost to his own hubris, his ideals and inability to see what was in front of him. You tread the same dark, dangerous path as he, and only once you embrace the truth will you break free. You must see the emergency induction port for what it truly is: a straw.
Shepard: "...I should go."
8:42 "Good for you." Shale is always awesome in any situation! XP
I feel so sorry for Oghren....
I've always wondered if the guardian knew about Morrigan's ritual and that's why she react in that way...
I think that flemmeth shielded her daughter from the guardians magic
somehow. This is a very private moment for everyone, even Zev sounds
pissed and Oghren oh hell... but Flemmeth want's to keep her secrets and
so those of her daughter.
LisDraconis22 There is nothing to shield from. Guardian did not force anyone to answer. The Warden can just refuse to answer as Morrigan did.
@@Spherrum Refusing to answer doesn't mean he doesn't know. He just wants an honest answer from them, if he knows he won't get it, he won't continue with it.
I think she did it to prevent the warden from finding out
I wonder what he would have said to the dog. "You were a good boi, not so much. Do you regret leaving your boi friends in Ostagar and not helping your fellow good bois?"
- Yes, It is your turn. I have little to ask or demand to know in your case. You are a good andrastian, a noble soul. You can proceed directly to the Urn.
0:34 OMG!! Oghren totally warned us and we didn't even know it till Inquisition. Bet you ole Cory boi corrupted that lyrium
I mean a magister that created the blight could do that
@@lennynull-funf-zehn5416 considering some lore things cory ass almost definitely didn’t like create the blight(there’s some ancient elvhen stuff pointing to the blight existing back then) but he is of the 5 or so sentient darkspawn. he probably does have an idea of how to corrupt lyrium since he’s been Like That so long
@@byuonesI agree. Based on the evidence (the existence of red lyrium in the ancestral thaig, the elvhen conflict against the Forgotten Ones and the dragons, Corypheus saying the Black City wasn't golden when he got there, Solas claiming the Evanuris would have destroyed the world etc...), I'd say that the Blight is likely a biological weapon created by the Evanuris to fight the Titans and/or the Forgotten Ones, and that Solas confined it to the Black City along with the Evanuris that created it. It's also possible that the Forgotten Ones (7 in number) and the Old Gods are one and the same, and that maybe they incited the Magisters to enter the Black City in an effort to claim the Blight for their own, which inevitably backfired.
Morrigan was actually right. The Guardian is really nothing more than a spirit, like Cole maybe. Probably a spirit of Faith.
+Walter Camacho
Pretty much sums up every mystical appearance in Dragon age,
a spirit mimicking somebody who already died long ago,
believing so firmly in there role that they actually become that person, even tough in the end they are still a spirit.
Same happens to Leliana if you kill her in the temple of sacred ashes if you corrupt the ashes.
Tough for some reason there is a connection to the lyrium too (perhaps lyrium makes the veil thinner?)
Nope not Morrigan but Oghren was right lyrium is the thing that kept him alive
I think Oghren is actually right about what the Guardian is. He is or was a man, but was changed and kept alive by the massive deposits of lyrium under the mountain.
A Titan... Hope Solas will be bitchslapped by a Titan in DA4...
or rather a spirit of diligence. i think you get his set, and it's called the set of viligance.
I love Morrigan. She's essentially like, "Go away." And he did!
I honesty find 2:26 very touching. I remember when reached that part as a human mage, it almost hit me close to home by some past actions I regret to this day and having these companions comfort me warms my heart. Even by the ones you'd never expect to tell you to let the past go.
Agreed. I regret some things in my past as well, and hearing them say that it's alright is heartwarming.
"everyone makes mistakes, I say have an ale and let it go" Oghren has the best solution :-)
Wynne was really rude here when the Warden declined to answer.
it was more rude how she interupted alistair. even if it was for his own good
She is a pretty rude and arrogant character. For all her lecturing, she fails to see a lot of what she lacks herself.
Nyarlathotep Flagg If she isn't there someone else interrupts him. His dialouge there os over in some cases even the guardian interrupts him.
It's weird who she is supposed to be the sage character of the group, but her life views are all pretty simple, black-and-white leaving no room for ambiguity. Meanwhile, Morrigan is..... well, some age. One of the devs claimed they originally though of her as being about thirty, while I always viewed her as one of the younger members of the ground and most people seem to envision her in her early twenties. Anyways her views are far more in line with the worlds cutthroat nature.
I just did this part for a Dwarf Commoner and I was a bit taken aback by how rude she was when I answered. I mean I only kept my answer to myself because the replies made no sense - implying that, if I said I had no regrets, that my family was miserable.
I mean my mother and sister are living in the Diamond Quarter, concubine to the king, so it makes no sense ..
SPOILER ALERT FOR INQUISITION its funny how he says that we will remain until the imperium crumbles, guess he didnt expect the temple to get blasted into a demon spawning black hole
He's probably still there, under the rubble
He actually will remain. Maybe not in that location, but with the Urn, wherever it may be.
@@BLCJ123 Yes, actually whatever happens: if you corrupt the Urn /if you don't, if you kill the High Dragon / if you don't, if Brother Genitivi returns to Denerim, the outcome is that the Urn always dissapears. When Inquisition happens the Chantry the Urn is missing only the empty Temple remains.
BaeWatson it’s so sad how that happens lol
The guardian's lack of surprise to hear Flemth's name mentioned and seeing her daughter as well as the total obedience he had makes me wonder
I love Morrigan's refusal to humor the guardian. This might be a spirit (maybe of faith) that took on the form of one of Andraste's followers. Maybe the spirit is an amalgam of several andrastrian followers, as spirits tend to change depending on what they are exposed to in the "real" world. The presence of large amounts of lyrium in the mountain (as pointed out by Oghren) supports this notion, as lyrium is considered a bridge between the waking world and the fade. The people that appear later to test you (those historically related to Andraste) can also be explained as fade spirits playing the roles they saw in the waking world.
Morrigan might've at least had an inkling of what was going on and decided not to be toyed with by confused fade spirits.
As do I, I'm quite skeptical there is a "Maker", and I believe the Black City belonged to the ancient Elvhen and now harbours the old gods from Solas' banishment of them.
It's quite amusing that so much fanatical (faithful) belief is summed up as nothing but spirits in the fade grasping at their spiritual purpose.
Morrigan and Wynne are polar opposites, I believe Morrigan sees the world for what it truly is whereas Wynne deluded herself in demands of comfort.
Or he was actually truly blessed by the Maker.
To be honest, I actually think the Maker does exist.
Its because the Spirit could read them and speak of matters he was not present for
In her case it was Flemmeth and Morrigan's scheme to acquire the Elder God soul from the Archdemon, she didnt want The Guardian to mention that she was deceiving the player
I wish you'd had a city elf warden there too, I've seen all the dialogue for those other wardens. Good video though.
Is it a mod that gets them all there?
"And you, Dog... Every day, you are taunted with the same question, one which you fear you will never know the answer to. You wonder if you'll ever find out who's a good boy."
Oghren at 0:32 is incredibly observant. And a foreshadowing to all the strange stuff that happens in the future with lyrium.
I killed both the Guardian and the cultists, while going under the name Assdraste. XD
Date Masamune sera is that you?
Chaotic neutral as fuck
Shale and Morrigan make situations way more bearable lol
Shale: "good for you." XD
I love how the characters faces are completely different from the game
Why is it always spirits of the divine that want to know all of my personal life?
was privacy not a thing back then?
Alistair and Sten are ones to talk lol 😂 Having not let go of THEIR* past failures. Morrigan kills me with that first line 😆
happened to bring Oghren & Zevran with me the first time and man did i like them a whole lot more afterwards.
As soon as the guardian said "good luck" all I could hear was rupauls "and don't fuck it up" instead of whatever the guardian said.
How were you able to have Amell and Mahariel in the party as well? That is epic!
Mod, probably.
Oh, I so wish the Guardian had alluded to the dark ritual when questioning Morrigan. The voice acting in this game is outstanding.
One of my favourite parts in Dragon Age. And the Guardian's voice is so calming & soothing.
The way the Guardian speaks remind me of the Shadow Selves in Persona 4!!!
This is a f***ing reality check for everyone
Wow, the guardian went on full out assault against Lelliana! Poor girl.
Morrigan shit him down, though! That's the witch we know and love!
You had more than one Warden? My head canon has all 6, it makes for and interesting continuum in subsequent games.
But who has the time to wade through the dogshit game dragon age 2
Same here. Well, actually, my head canon has two mages in addition to all the other origins (A mid twenties male Surana and a younger sort of female Amell) but essentially the same,
I like that head canon too, but I wonder, if all 6 wardens were in the same party, what would happen in Orzammar? The dwarf commoner would side with Bhelen for Rica's sake, but the dwarf noble would be loath to do that after Bhelen betrayed them.
@@Blokewood3 That one is complicated. Bhelen technically framed Reina (Dwarf Noble) and I just had to ADD some things to the story to make it work. Basically Haldis (Casteless Dwarf) finds evidence of Bhelen's blackmail (as well as his forgeries he'd tried to get Haldis to peddle during her quest) and turns it over to the Shaperate. They confirm that the seal used to blackmail the "witnesses" against Reina was Bhelen's and when Haldis returns with the Crown of the Deep she gives it to Reina instead of either Harrowmont or Bhelen. When Bhelen accuses her of being a stupid Duster she has the Shaper confirm his repeated fraud and get's Bhelen removed from the Memories instead. Of course that's when Bhelen rebels.
Headcanon does require actions outside of the possibilities of the game on occasion.
Dude pulled up to The Gauntlet with half of Ferelden behind him
Nobody will tell me Oghren's not the coolest character
Oh DAMN why we can't make Morrigan to questioned? Somehow i can't imagine that Morrigan ever regret anything.
wow u really rollin up with the whole squad
Is this a mod you're using or just dedicated editing? I love how you can have all the companions are there for the cutscenes. If it's a mod, I'd LOVE to add it to my collection.
Theory: He’s a Spirit of Judgement, taking the form of a younger Havard the Aegis. While Faith is also a possibility, I think his questions reflect self-judgement more than belief.
Note how he doesn’t question if Stan regrets murdering children, but if he’s made his people appear like monsters for it. Sten’s judgement is wrapped up in the Qun, which doesn’t let him have even individual guilt outside of how he harms the whole of his people. The Guardian is remarkably adept at reading the silent Qunari in a way he can’t easily dismiss. Forcing the confrontation Sten must have with himself over his duty as a part of the Beresaad and not some cast off.
Lelianna’s treatment seems especially brutal, because I think she’s one of the most guilt-ridden characters in the game. She questions nearly every action she undertakes so the Guardian attacks her with apparent ferocity, that, in the end, is only a reflection of her struggle to believe she is a person capable of redemption. She’s whipping herself with her own belief and the Guardian brings that out to demonstrate what she must overcome.
Oghren displays a profound sense of self. He has contempt for himself but he doesn’t let it stop him from moving forward. Still, it could also reflect that the Guardian sees he’s not ready to confront his further problems (hard drinking) and let’s it go.
Morrigan refuses to engage. The Guardian doesn’t pressure her. It’s obvious she’s not handling her own doubts/insecurities well and belittling her will not help.
Zevran’s exchange is telling. He doesn’t shut the Spirit down right off without answering his question. Showing the Guardian (and himself) that the harsh slave-childhood he had hasn’t fully extinguished the spark of who he is. For all his glibness he’s not the heartless murderer he seems.
Shame is a near blank. But the Guardian recognizes the decisions she made in the past and has to make in the narrow scope of her new form. And praises her strength.
The Warden is always confronted with the pain of someone they love. Implying they still haven’t forgiven themselves for failing in some way. Each failed person comforts them in the Trials. Picture the Warden walking into the room, probably ruminating on the Guardian’s harsh words, only to find their loved one confronting them.
Teryn Cousland is warm and fatherly. Trian is caustic and bitter. Tamlen is open and trusting. They are perfect representations of themselves, not badly crafted imitators. The Trial there is to speak to who you’ve failed and find a way to move on.
Wait...what does the guardian says to the Dwarf wardens?
NekoSoren Not to mention the city elf Warden. My playthrough was city elf: Assassin and Duelist
Guardian asks the City Elf if he/she has failed his/her cousin Shanni by leaving her in the Alienage.
I only played as Dwarf Noble (Trian was already dead when i arrived, i didnt kill him in a fight)
The Guardian asks you if regret Trians death or something like that :D
@@astralaris8712 I wish a Dwarf Noble could place the crown on their own head.
@@Kalenz1234 Jeez yea, expecially when you play the other origins and realize Bhelen is the better ruler, as a Noble you have 0 reason to trust anything anyone related to Bhelen.
-siigh- THUMBS UP IF YOU MISS ORIGINS!!
no as I stil play it in th emiddle of one right now in fact
...Christ Oghren. Where was this honesty during your character quests.
Adds so much to his character, and you really see that behind the drunk gross and funny shell dwarf, there is a man sadder than many
but it makes me so MAD. Like, getting this scene requires you to take him places. Which at this point of the game the average player doesn't even consider anymore because he's *the actual worst* the other 98% of the time.
Salocinist no? I’ve never had a problem leveling him correctly, I go to Orzammar first, pick him up, get him out of my party so he doesn’t glitch out when I leave, and go get Wynne, I get both of them around level 8, Zevran is the worst half the time since you have to have completed a main quest to get him
By the time anyone completes anything, they are closer to level 11, he is the worst out of all of the companions auto-level wise, I should know, I have done Infinity XP in Ostagar many times, he is always the worst since he doesn’t have Lockpicking, has zero strength and like 50 cunning
Everyone else levels somewhat OK, not him
Lots of people go to the Circle to get Wynne first, the reason I get Oghren is (assuming you leave Lothering at level 8) you have to do 2 quests for whoever you are supporting to get him, that alone is quite a bit of XP, add the Circle of Magi to that and you will be level 13 or so, just over half the level cap
I’m good enough leveling that I can save most people except Loghain
Ultimately, it’s more of a toss up of getting Shale or Oghren first, not Wynne or Oghren first
I truly don’t understand why people save Orzammar for Last then complain the companion they got there is auto leveled to shit, do the Brecillan Forest last! If you get Oghren then leave Orzammar (not with him in your party cuz you will bug him out), go get Shale, then go get Wynne and do the Circle of Magi, you just grabbed 3 companions you would usually complain about at around level 9-10
Everyone can be saved if you know the tricks of the game
(cough cough loghain can’t cough)
So fucking epic.
So. Fucking. Epic.
With Oghren this is the only time he ever opens up
There are more occasions. In the Battle of Denerim, his best speech is surprisingly deep:
"You took in a drunken disgrace of an Orzammar warrior. You gave me the reason to fight and the will to keep going. You helped me find the one woman in the sodding world who might put up with me, and you helped me get past Branka so I could have someone new. I owe you a lot, Warden. I consider it a fine honor to die for you and your cause.
Oghren: Let the Stone turn red from the blood of heroes. Today I will be the warrior you taught me to be."
Andraste herself desired a Roastmaster 5000 Supreme Edition, and he came as a guardian of her sacred ashes.
why are all the characters there? i thought only 3 can be in your party
Your Leliana look so pretty
What kind of console command did you use to add the other origins as companions???? Can't find it anywhere
Agreed! I need to know this as well. Not just the other origins, but the other companions being present as well. My canon tale requires all my other origin characters to be companions.
Interestingly enough idk if this is a glitch or not, but when I played through this section as a Human Noble I purposely chose "my answers are my own" and after the usual comments about how the Warden's silence says volumes Wynne and Alistair and even Sten all said things like "the past is the past, let it go, don't blame yourself". I'm not sure if that was a glitch or if they did that on purpose because they could kind of tell the Warden did feel guilty about the massacre of their family, even if they acted stoic about it and gave a vague answer. I also got + approval from Sten, so I guess he likes it if the Warden acts stoic in response to the Guardian's question lol.
I wish you could have more than three party members at a time in any Bioware game.
Jade Empire is the worst, only allowed to have 1, Kotor did way better with 2, Mass Effect had the same, Origins went to 3, and nothing had changed since
What mods did you use for these videos? The characters are diffcult to find and not to mention the whole party conversing and my three favorite Origins at the same time.
I haven't gone this far with all origins, but when playing as a human noble I pretty much teared up when I saw Bryce afterwards.
Can you do a video with the "people" you meet after the riddles for all the origins? Or can someone point me to one?
he chose...poorly
Should have brought a Dr. Pepper!
no dog scene huh? Damn. lol. I know he would not have been able to contribute anything, but it would have been entertaining nonetheless.
"Dodan hold the fort everyones heading out"
howd you get all the companions in the same room like that?
Does anyone else feel your heart and soul feel heavy?😔
Hate the Guardian xD Refused to answer him with no regrets :)
7:36
Zev LOL
Okay I have to know what mod you use for the multiple companions
Wynne was by far my least favourite companion. I know she was just trying to offer advice and all, but all I heard was "Screw you, I know better because I'm older than you. By the way, why don't you join the Circle? I know I'm running away from it every chance I get, but still." xD
I actually liked Wynne. Shes a nurturing, kind, selfless, woman with a secret past, living on borrowed time. I can respect her
When I recruited Wynne, my relationship with Morrigan was just beginning to "heat up", but we hadn't even left the circle at that time. When I spoke to her briefly around the time we confronted Uldred, she was quick to offer her unwanted two cents on this relationship she knew nothing about, in a group of people she literally just met. Made me lose some amount of respect for her right away.
@@Thagomizer I think it's the games dialogue orders fault.
In the end, nobody is perfect otherwise they wouldn’t be an interesting character worth traveling with
Hello! Could you share name of mod or link for Leliana's look? Thank you in advance.
how tf did u play multiple wardens?
This is the part I always bring Organ for
oghren have never sounded so.... sober
So andraste says she spoke to the maker with absolutely no evidence to back her up and everyone looses their minds and praise her. Leliana does it and she must be lying? Who did the maker tell that he gave up on them if andraste was dead? And spirits know even less about the maker than humans do. So who is the guarding to claim leliana is lying?
Andraste apparently also performed miracles and was insanely charismatic.
My hunch is she was a mage and probably a host to a powerful spirit.
Heck, maybe even a blood mage who controlled others into loving her.
Leliana's questioning is incredibly satisfying, she was so annoying in Origins, became a badass in Inquisition though.
what does he say to the dog ?
Dog is perfect. Why would he question perfection?
Mabari.. you are a good boi
Is there any way to bring all companions like you did on Xbox 360?
How did you get the mage dalish and human wardens? Like what mod is that?
How? how you get other origins characters as companions? please its mod or cheat? please tell me,i like play with my other characters in one game :)
Wow ... You do notice that the origins characters are standing on the exact same spot? What a coincidence , one would surely think he has edited the video in a movie editor but that cannot be , for an individual would need...
a fucking functioning brain to see that , Jesus fucking Christ. No offense to Christians.
If you notice the opening shot, all the companions are there. So he probably modded the game a little.
+Twin2K Rude much.
I love Mahariel's answer. :D
Whos Mahariel?
@@marcoboscarol2420 The Dalish Elf Origin character, his/her surname is Mahariel
please tell me where to download the mod to have everyone at once in your party
Morrigan: Begone spirit I won't play your games!
Rest of the party 😲 why we didn't say the same thing?
How did you get that many party members around while still having their lines featured (zz_addparty doesn't allow that) and how did you get multiple pc characters present at the same time?
Mods
How are you playing with 3 origins at once, which mod is this?
and what mod did you use to have all the companions at once? I've already used a command that allows you to do that, but every time one of them spoke, the screen bugged and didn't show any of them.
how did you get a full party?
what mods did you use for your elf?
How did u get your warrior and Mage and acher only one becomes a grey warden what did u do and pretty plz answer I wanna know
Does anybody know the armor mods for the wardens?
Let it go lol
How did you gather all companions + 2 add main charactyer in one mission?
Who is your warden? The guy who has a short black hair or the guy with long suave hair? And who is that other character behind you on your right side?
***** She has three wardens, the short dark hair in the heavy armor is the Cousland, the Long suave hair is Amell, The guy in the rogue armor is the Dalish Warden so she has three wardens
I wonder what he would have asked Morrigan?
"Do you really think giving birth to an old god is wise?"
omg shale
Good for you.
How do I get all party comments?
HOW?! Did you manage this?!
How in the world did you get all your companions to accompany you into the Gauntlet??
y u no modlist q.q
Wait, there's a mod where you can all companions at once?
It’s very weird how accusatory and aggressive the guardian gets to Leliana here. The rest of the cast he’s very neutral even respectful & compassionate. But it is so odd he shames Leliana for her beliefs. Maybe he’s right in that she was unconsciously coping with idea of being a nobody but there feels like some sort of bias or intent his tone with her but not with others