Which Knife Defense Program Is The Best? | EWO vs. KCC vs. EOR

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  • @hard2hurt
    @hard2hurt  ปีที่แล้ว +31

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    • @washingtoncommandcenter5541
      @washingtoncommandcenter5541 ปีที่แล้ว

      Man..... Did you not only kick the knife out of his hand... but then into what would have been his NECK had he not been wearing a helmet? that's something you would see in a movie and call B.S.

    • @ambulocetusnatans
      @ambulocetusnatans ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a small business, and driving that far would add a couple of extra days to the trip, and flying is too expensive at the moment. Do you have any friends closer to Chicago?

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Ambulocetus they all travel and teach in multiple cities... so hopefully they end up near you.

    • @purebloodheretic4682
      @purebloodheretic4682 ปีที่แล้ว

      W.E.Fairbairn was the OG of Knife 🔪 Defence! & Developed the 'Defendu' Program for the British Military! He even Co Designed the 'Sykes Fairbairn'🗡️ Knife issued to OSS & Commandos! These are Very Old - but Proven techniques that do Save Lives!! He coined the term "Gutter Fighting" for his 'Anything Goes' No Rules survival Fighting & Defence system! I'd Highly recommend his books! to Anyone for Practical Self Defence! - Cheers👍

    • @elliotsotovazquez1667
      @elliotsotovazquez1667 ปีที่แล้ว

      Greeting!! I saw a few days back your video about pistol crossbow for defence, love it. If there is a opportunity look for the Vlad Impaler Ek Archery Crossbow, you will love that crossbow.

  • @rjc5175
    @rjc5175 ปีที่แล้ว +279

    “And… and… I kicked a knife out of someone’s hand.” 😂

    • @999jay999
      @999jay999 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      SenseiSeth enters chat....

    • @aaftiyoDkcdicurak
      @aaftiyoDkcdicurak ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I prefer to wave my hands around producing kanjis in thin air and then teleport 20ft behind my enemy's holding their heart.

    • @renier4415
      @renier4415 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      He kicked the knife out of his opponent hand and into his opponents head. Crazy

    • @steviek1980
      @steviek1980 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      BADASS!

    • @edi9892
      @edi9892 ปีที่แล้ว

      And I stomped down on a spear!
      I just wish, I could do such BS reliably. LOL

  • @turbomanmechachrist
    @turbomanmechachrist ปีที่แล้ว +163

    When we do it at our place we go full wrestling with training knives, basically BJJ and wrestling with knife attacks. It's basically a form of sparring and you realize how hard it is not getting cut and stabbed, but you also learn what can work and what doesn't, how to possible control the attackers bodies while also keeping your focus on their weapon. It's very difficult, but I feel it's good training. You also understand how much fitness really makes a difference, like with any fighting.

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  ปีที่แล้ว +57

      That's a quick way to sort out what works.

    • @frontenac5083
      @frontenac5083 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Remix God LOOOOOOOOOL!!!!
      🤦🤦‍♂🤦‍♀

    • @Traceur172
      @Traceur172 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@frontenac5083 kinda hard to stab someone when you can't see

    • @lilnibba2905
      @lilnibba2905 ปีที่แล้ว

      @remixgod4496 just buy gun

    • @brandondb6190
      @brandondb6190 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @remixgod4496yeah no doubt, fuck all this knife vs unarmed jazz. Once someone pulls a weapon, either pull yours, find one extremely close or run for your life.

  • @paulsmith4889
    @paulsmith4889 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    The three things I learned from combative edge classes I took:
    1.knife fighting sucks. The training is hard and in the end there may not be no clear winners
    2. Wresting is the way especially when it comes to controlling that weapon bearing arm
    3. Situational awareness is more important than skill.

    • @magnusryder
      @magnusryder ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Knife fight/grappling is as tiring as basically every grappling martial arts that exists, it's taxing on the body and the mind

    • @BogalaSawundiris
      @BogalaSawundiris ปีที่แล้ว

      I think Shuai Jiao, Judo, Tai Shou practitioners have a high survivability in a knife fight

    • @BillyBobThorton777
      @BillyBobThorton777 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Oodles of Noodles ehh idk about you but I wanna stay on my feet if we're outside on concrete. Too much unpredictable shit could happens even moreso than on two feet IMO

    • @Shacksies
      @Shacksies ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@BillyBobThorton777Wrestlers are better at staying on their feet than anyone else, until they want it to go to the ground. If you don't want to be on the ground in a street fight, you should learn wrestling. It's how you learn takedown defense.

    • @MNTrader2012
      @MNTrader2012 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Shacksies Just easy target for sewing

  • @kravvormagagor9595
    @kravvormagagor9595 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I don't know how many compliments you get on your composition and writing, but that was a killer intro. There's not a chance I'm not watching this whole video after that. Fishhooked like a sprat

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Not many... but thank you! Also, the quote is "fishhooked _by_ a sprat" lol.

    • @kravvormagagor9595
      @kravvormagagor9595 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@hard2hurt indeed it is. You kinda remind me of the mighty McGroin or whatever his name was a little bit. Could pull it off in costume anyways.

  • @staysafemartialarts
    @staysafemartialarts ปีที่แล้ว +75

    Amazing courses. Also had the privilege of taking all of these courses over the past year and I would definitely agree with you. I know we have discussed these courses a lot, and they are all great for their own reasons. Regardless, if you are serious about learning self defense and more importantly knife defense, go take these courses. Big reality check. Plenty to learn from these courses as well as the instructors themselves.

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Oh you've taken these courses?

    • @staysafemartialarts
      @staysafemartialarts ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@hard2hurt yes i had the super short hair that you didn’t care for :)

    • @ananda_miaoyin
      @ananda_miaoyin ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@hard2hurt Looks interesting and maybe will check out if offered in my area (Northern Cali) but I will be very honest here. I have no illusions about "getting the knife" and wrestling out of it. I will either mag dump the guy or if I do not have a jammie on me, I will evade until I find a brick, bat or a really nice rock. Or...I will run my ass off.
      Before you say anything about running is bad, I am a trained runner and can outrun most!
      Thanks for bringing this awesome course to my attention and I love your channel. I am not a young man and have seen my share of "Bullshido" and you are as legit as it comes.

  • @IHateHandleNames
    @IHateHandleNames ปีที่แล้ว +54

    That knife kick was straight up what Gabriel Varga taught you. I saw the sparring footage. When you two broke the clinch he was throwing head kicks.
    You downloaded that and started doing it to knife-wielders. Well done, sir.

  • @TheElbowMerchant
    @TheElbowMerchant ปีที่แล้ว +34

    I'd give my left gonad to take any of the 3 courses discussed in this video. I know that sounds insane, but I'd rather give it freely than lose it in a knife fight because I had no idea how to defend myself against a knife wielding psycho. Also, I have 3 sons, so I don't really need both of 'em anymore.

    • @malkomalkavian
      @malkomalkavian ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You're allowed to trade them for stuff once you're done with them?

    • @yamiyomizuki
      @yamiyomizuki ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@@malkomalkavian not legally

    • @drummachine5787
      @drummachine5787 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@yamiyomizukiain’t this a free market? I can sell one of my nuts if I want to!

    • @allosaurusfragilis7782
      @allosaurusfragilis7782 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@malkomalkavian...you didn't know this? I traded mine in for an audi...

    • @tommyvercetti7326
      @tommyvercetti7326 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@allosaurusfragilis7782 A8?

  • @dapro5002
    @dapro5002 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I’ve done 1/3 of the courses in the video (basically just KCC), but from footage of both Craig’s and Ryan’s material, I can firmly recommend all of them. Very few programs can be so realistic without being edgy, and these are the best courses for using functional combat sports skills in a weapons based environment. Great video!

  • @KnightJiuJitsu
    @KnightJiuJitsu ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Excellent comparison and contrasting of these courses, and awesome assessment from someone actually experiencing these and applying the training under intense pressure.

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Intense is right.

  • @nomchomsley854
    @nomchomsley854 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    That knife kick was pretty sweet. Great video!

  • @formoney5255
    @formoney5255 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Great video, really appreciate all the work you clearly put into doing this.

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Yeah... it was a rough process making this one. Thank you!

  • @NemanjaNislija
    @NemanjaNislija ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great video, and excellent lessons learned!
    The first time I had a little bit "fun with knives" with a friend in my backyard was an eye-opener. We went the dueling route - we used sheathed knives (the blades were a bit dull, too, so we didn't have to worry about the knife poking through the sheath) and went at 20-30% sparring intensity (no face stabbing). I had almost zero wrestling experience and some striking and knife-swinging practice, and the friend had zero martial art experience.
    The lessons:
    1. After a swing or two, it devolved into wrestling with knives.
    2. In just about 15-20 minutes (with some breaks), we were both successfully closing in and clinching up without too much damage.
    3. My size and skill advantage mattered little at the cutting range and much more at the clinch.
    4. Taking the initiative and violence of action had a bigger influence on the outcome than anything else.
    A similarly short and playful session or two with my little brother as an attacker (some short rolled up/taped up notebook as a stabbing implement) and me unarmed defending taught me:
    1. Shelling up like a boxer helped me survive the first couple of stabs (hit in the forearms) and allowed me to clinch.
    2. My lack of wrestling skills became obvious, and it was difficult to control the opponent.
    3. The attacker was fixated on the shank and stabbing and left openings for clinching/striking.
    4. Slamming him to the ground seemed like a much more effective option than trying to strike and control (we went light with trips and lifts, no actual slamming happened).
    5. His lack of proper aggression (out of respect/fear of pissing off his bigger brother) made it easier than sparring with my friend , but I was still getting stabbed a bunch.
    In just a couple of short casual sparring sessions, with no expert coach and me going off of "Folsom Prison Knife Techniques" and some stories about how knife attacks happen, it became apparent that good wrestling fundamentals (Judo came to mind back then because it was more common where I live) executed with relentless aggressive intent were the key to surviving (or killing the dude you just assaulted, from the attacker's perspective). Since then, I always wondered why most online knife defense guys/gals had never taken 5 minutes to see how an actual assault would really go down and learn from it.

  • @josephpacchetti5997
    @josephpacchetti5997 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You put out a video last year, I think, and It was a small blade that another fellow may have designed and It showed him block your arms with his left arm and go for the right side of the groin twist and pulled up, and I'll never forget how devastating that would be, THX for posting. 👍

  • @tuckerdelay9656
    @tuckerdelay9656 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Mike you're my go to for realistic self defense concepts love your videos man

  • @daxdern
    @daxdern ปีที่แล้ว +6

    My AG1 came in yesterday, worth it for sure

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Gamechanger!

  • @JoeAuerbach
    @JoeAuerbach ปีที่แล้ว +9

    One of the things that I can't get out of my head about martial arts of any sort is the selection bias. You're sort of training to fight against other martial artists, but most of the time in real life you're not doing that. Then again, I guess that does give us something to do after the first couple weeks.

  • @aciesactual4066
    @aciesactual4066 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    There's a particular tactic I learned very quickly when doing active resistance sparring with knife defense, which is the hand transition. You lock up on the knife hand and start trying to control it, they just snatch the knife with their other hand and go to town since you're now open. I noticed that the defender was particularly vulnerable to this tactic when wrestling. In my (admittedly limited) experience, no knife defense could be considered feasible or practical if you couldn't overcome this tactic.
    Did any of these three classes address this?

    • @ehisey
      @ehisey ปีที่แล้ว

      That is part of the whole edge control. isolate and prevent them form making the transtion. you can see it being done in the clips.

    • @bayyinahawesome415
      @bayyinahawesome415 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mike's done a video on Kevin's channel mentioning a person who studied 170 knife attacks and transitions like those never happened in the heat of the moment.

  • @thejollyroger9281
    @thejollyroger9281 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I replayed that knife kick scene so many times lol its like the chefs kiss finisher to that challenge 🤣

  • @GustavoRubioGSR
    @GustavoRubioGSR ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Basically all courses are awesome! great vid as usual

  • @BMO_Creative
    @BMO_Creative ปีที่แล้ว +4

    AWESOME VIDEO! You are right! It's really about your personality, fighting style, experience as far as who is the best teacher for you!

  • @raydrexler5868
    @raydrexler5868 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Everything you say about knives makes me feel good about what my MA friends and I have been discovering for decades. I started in judo when I was ten and was always looking for self defense applications in everything I could study. Wrestling, karate, Kung Fu, FMA’s, at their core, are all grappling. When you introduce a knife into the fight, it,by necessity starts a grappling match. So my fellow students and I,through the years, always got the knives out in our free time. I’m glad that through all of the hard work that we put in, we developed skills that I see in all of the courses you’ve presented. Some kind of parallel evolution, after all,we’re all essentially the same. Thanks for your great work and be safe

  • @jacobyoakum6498
    @jacobyoakum6498 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "3 butt-scooting grabby-boys" I'm rolling 🤣🤣🤣

  • @cherryb0ng
    @cherryb0ng ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That reveal in the end that you kicked a knife out of someone's hand is a plot twist worthy of M Night Shamalyan

  • @circlepit4598
    @circlepit4598 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That kick was badass Mike!!!!

  • @camiloiribarren1450
    @camiloiribarren1450 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Bet that kick felt good when the knife flew out of the hand during the Australian championship.
    It’s always good to have room to run when facing knives, but also good to have grappling in the pocket if need be. Both are great

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I didn't actually realize it. I thought it was all dome.

    • @hayow2624
      @hayow2624 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Make way for Sensei Mike. Sumo when?

  • @mrr0cksor669
    @mrr0cksor669 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    For me the problem always was the skill level difference needet to be succefull in a knife defence. When the knife guy has just a little experince in knifefighting you need to be so much better to have a chance, it's a lifteime of training vs a weekend of training and bad intensions.

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yes. The knife is serious modifier. You could be a guy who could easily handle most dudes and the knife changes the equation by a lot.

    • @mrx2586
      @mrx2586 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hard2hurt
      If I tried to defend myself against the sort of person who can "handle most dudes" I cant imagine a knife doing me any good at all let alone being a serious modifier. Frankly if I was being attacked by such a person and all I had was a knife I would give up immediately and make absolutely no attempt to fight at all because as far as I am concerned there is absolutely nothing I can do. If possible i would dispose of the knife so it cant be used against me and if this was not possible i would give him the knife in the hope that it appeases him.

  • @claesandersson5300
    @claesandersson5300 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video. Just did the Kcc instructor online program. Hope i also can work with Craig in the future

  • @Jamoni1
    @Jamoni1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've taken EWO twice, and taken the regular level and instructors level KCC. I haven't done EOR, but I've attended HR6, and my first EWO was at Charlotte, so I'm familiar with Ryan's team. I agree 100% with your assessment. I'd also highly recommend the KCC instructor program.

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Since you've done the others, you will really love EOR. It will feel like going to an amusement park!

  • @blue0eyes0knight
    @blue0eyes0knight ปีที่แล้ว +1

    in my experience focusing on the knife hand and controlling it and then them as a whole served me better than focusing on attacking the person. Striking them as soon as control has been attained...yes for sure.

  • @tomastelensky-vlog8723
    @tomastelensky-vlog8723 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    FMA is legit in this. I attacked a FMA instructor (with 7 years experience) with rubber knife, freestyle and wildly, and he blocked everything. He was so skilled that I couldn't "cut" even his hands which were blocking my knife hand.

    • @Happy-go-luckyTV
      @Happy-go-luckyTV 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Of course it is... thousands of reps against a knife vs your typical "mcdojo".
      Better BJJ wins. Better boxer wins. Better fma wins.
      Knife > than trained fighter. It's been tested countless times.
      Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.
      Don't bring fists to a knife fight.

    • @MasakanSolaris
      @MasakanSolaris 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@Happy-go-luckyTVok....I'll bring chainmail to the knife fight see how you like that.

  • @sleze
    @sleze ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Slow clap for that smug ending. That was pretty cool.

  • @VanishingNomad
    @VanishingNomad ปีที่แล้ว +1

    No discussion about knife defense and knife fighting is complete without investigating the deThouars Kuntao Silat Serak.
    There were 4 brothers.
    Three of them have passed in recent years. However Willem is still alive, and has a solid group in Colorado, and his youngest brother Victors school, the VDT Academy, is still going strong under his senior student/instructor.

  • @G2RProject
    @G2RProject ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bro! Good stuff man and absolutely agree! These 3 groups are where people need to be to improve their knife Defense skills. Solid review!!!!

  • @rabbitshady499
    @rabbitshady499 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mike..ur channel has always been one of my favs.❤

  • @ussgordoncaptain
    @ussgordoncaptain ปีที่แล้ว +3

    We used training knives in the gym today,
    I learned how to escape the off arm's grasp and only get stabbed a few times before running away.
    How the hell can people actually successfully do anything else?

  • @driver3899
    @driver3899 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is the video I have been waiting for someone to make for the longest time
    So the big question, what are the biggest take aways? Grab the knife arm first? Clinch up and use clinch attacks? Just start throwing punches?
    What key things should a person spend the most reps on if we were going to tack something onto the end of regular training?

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Currently working on that

    • @driver3899
      @driver3899 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@hard2hurt Yesssss. I was really hoping you were going to say that!
      Would be super keen to see you do some kind of weapon control course too, I feel like you have a lot to contribute to this space

    • @midguard7917
      @midguard7917 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Great question. Also my biggest question after seeing many knife attacks, which is can you actually get inside and control someone's knife arm if they are aggressively moving and stabbing with intent to kill you? Most knife attacks have the defender attempting something like this, and if they lose control of that arm, they will be stabbed repeatedly usually in the head, neck, shoulder, or torso faster than they can possibly try and regain control of the arm.
      It would be great for you to do a rundown/basics video Mike (without spoiling these great courses.)

  • @rodvan-zeller6360
    @rodvan-zeller6360 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I agree with your final conclusion, because it is principle based and that is what all my training is based on, the knife is not the problem the brain of the attacker is the problem. I never focus on any kind of defense, you cannot win on defense, my focus is on decommissioning the attacker as fast and as violently as possible, you have a much better chance of surviving a cut than the attacker has of surviving a crushed wind pipe.

  • @stephengray3401
    @stephengray3401 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for this super informative and most helpful video. Your vids always bring practicality and common sense to personal defense.

  • @gw1357
    @gw1357 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Did they immediately stop the Self Defense Championship and give you the trophy after the knife kick? They really should have. You should hang a big screen in your gym's lobby that just shows that on a loop and when someone comes in inquiring about training just point to it and say "cash, check, or credit?"
    Seriously though, this was a very thoughtful contrasting of the courses. My knife defense experience has come from a kali, wing chun, military combatives base (I think it most resembles EOR of the three) , but I have pressure tested and it seems to go fairly well. I would really enjoy any of these courses I think. I may try to get down to Fit to Fight next time I'm in NC.

  • @kletts42
    @kletts42 ปีที่แล้ว

    I see some of my coaches in your video from KCC and EOR and they take what they learned and teach us.

  • @WILDSTYLETELEVISION
    @WILDSTYLETELEVISION ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video with a plethora of info. We will check it them out and train.

  • @andrewanastasovski1609
    @andrewanastasovski1609 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Your job looks kind of fun.

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The thing about "fun" jobs is they always look fun from the outside... they don't always feel fun when you're doing it.

    • @Jay-ho9io
      @Jay-ho9io ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@hard2hurt I mean yeah, and on the other hand, you wouldn't go back to a department for basically anything would you?
      I'm not saying you have the easier job, but I believe you know you have the better one. 🏆

  • @ShivWorks
    @ShivWorks ปีที่แล้ว

    Great insight, appreciate the shout out and the hard work.🔥🔥🔥

  • @sil2005
    @sil2005 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very Informative video, thank you for sharing!

  • @rezlogan4787
    @rezlogan4787 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At our school, we did a knife seminar where we used red markers. Three minute sparring matches, both people with red markers. The least marked competitor stayed “alive” and sparred the next fresh opponent until they “died.” No one left unmarked. Every student left with lethal marks. We all learned the lesson. Make lethal strikes first, then move out of range. And whenever possible, carry a badder weapon at range. The other lesson we learned is to carry a knife on each side, so a trapped arm doesn’t make you helpless while being stabbed. Everyone who attended the course now understands the advantages of two knives, a walking stick, and a gun.

  • @KeyboardWarrior101st
    @KeyboardWarrior101st ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Mike, it would be cool if you made a video discussing SOCP, Special Operations Combatives Program, as they have a good bit of weapon defense tactics. You're not far from some special people.

  • @trollof229antthevariable9
    @trollof229antthevariable9 ปีที่แล้ว

    First you learn, then u teach. Teaching is part of the mastery I've come to learn.

  • @neiljones8467
    @neiljones8467 ปีที่แล้ว

    two best thing i learnt in deal with knives is 1)it not the knife that kills you it the person with the knife and the best way to survive an account it try and take out the guy with the blade and the second one 2) better to do what they want unless they give you reason to believe they will stab you any way or you can't live with what they want you to do.

  • @anon2034
    @anon2034 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for reviewing those knife defense courses.

  • @seranonable
    @seranonable ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "butt-scooting grabbybois" never has a more perfect descriptor been rendered

  • @ghlu9408
    @ghlu9408 ปีที่แล้ว

    I did like that Ramsey Dewey successfully used a Hapkido lock I've learned for knife defense in the USDC pretty cool

  • @jefferyneedham1581
    @jefferyneedham1581 ปีที่แล้ว

    One thing that most people overlook is that you are most likely going to get cut and through the adrenaline you have to focus and get mean and nasty without any hesitancy because if you don't then you are dead.
    ** A good friend of mine fought off a suprise attack and was stabbed 9 times before he disarmed his attacker and had punctured his lungs and almost bleed out before he could get to the hospital.
    Even in the Marines we needed more knife fighting skills because its usually tought as a last defense.
    God bless you and thank you for your info.

  • @silversurferguy6319
    @silversurferguy6319 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would be cool to see you work with or try ISR-Matrix or Kelly McCann!

  • @ClantonCombatives
    @ClantonCombatives ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice! My little red rubber knife made it into the first Eli clip!

  • @stanleylee5358
    @stanleylee5358 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ironic that it was you and not Sensei Seth who did the kicking the knife out of the hand. Amazing stuff.

  • @nickwilliams8302
    @nickwilliams8302 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I seem to remember a quote (I think it's from George Silver, a 16th century fencer and duellist) that went something like:
    "if the difference in fencing skill between the parties be great, the contest will be decided by who is the better fencer; if the difference in fencing skill be small, the contest will be decided by who is the better wrestler."
    Or basically, unless one fighter is so much better than their opponent that they can incapacitate them inside the first couple of moves, one of the combatants will grab the other and now they're wrestling. Or at least no longer cleanly fencing.

  • @Lionheart_Kickboxing
    @Lionheart_Kickboxing ปีที่แล้ว

    Good stuff man I’ll have to sign up for some of these to have them come out

  • @mr.gibson1439
    @mr.gibson1439 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro that knife kick was dope af😂😂😂

  • @steviek1980
    @steviek1980 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the reviews, super informative.

  • @sushidesperado9875
    @sushidesperado9875 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool video, I wish I could've seen some of the techniques, but I understand why...😊

  • @scottphillipsau
    @scottphillipsau ปีที่แล้ว

    This was a really great video, your best yet

  • @MartialCoachJF
    @MartialCoachJF ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for sharing Sir! Would be amazing to train as you do, expanding your knowledge and experience always 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼💪

  • @madjackmadjack
    @madjackmadjack ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Excellent video, thank you for sharing these reviews and analyses How well did the t-shirts hold up to being grabbed? We grapple with street clothes sometimes at my gym, and I've only seen one shirt (a dress shirt) tear apart. T-shirts seem to get stretched out more than they come apart in your hands.

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They stretched, but never so badly that they stopped being useful

  • @benjaminpujols1914
    @benjaminpujols1914 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's pretty cool those little packets and stuff what do they taste like though it looks like spinach green I'm just curious

  • @eliinthewolverinestate6729
    @eliinthewolverinestate6729 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have listened to a few stories about people only having knives against bear. And they were used as piercing weapons more than a slashing weapon. Great tip on clothing. I wonder how I would do in lv 3 ballistics jacket wrestling someone. I have wondered if bear could rip through it.

  • @darrellowings2343
    @darrellowings2343 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love what you do. Very needed.

  • @tommynance2261
    @tommynance2261 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thumbs up on the kick and everything else actually Thanks for the info

  • @truebeliever8605
    @truebeliever8605 ปีที่แล้ว

    To bad you didnt go try itay gils knife defense now that would have been super interesting he has a really good system for this. Thank you

  • @drewferringer1806
    @drewferringer1806 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the best video you have done

  • @trapperscout2046
    @trapperscout2046 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was thinking of taking a class with Craig Douglas in the future.

  • @celticgold4353
    @celticgold4353 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Mike, what is your opinion on knife proof clothing 🤔

  • @iambatsmurfette7194
    @iambatsmurfette7194 ปีที่แล้ว

    I literally laughed out loud, when you put Sensei Seth on blast. Now, everyone at the dialysis center keeps giving me confused looks 🤣

  • @diosdadoapias
    @diosdadoapias ปีที่แล้ว

    every training could be good. but here in the provinces of the Philippines where most people are farmers, they learn to cut, chop with their bolo while working in the farms and cutting grasses and woods. The practitioners of bolo or knife fighting will strike banana trunks to practice stabbing and hacking.

  • @MrNickW123
    @MrNickW123 ปีที่แล้ว

    That Santa dude looked great very fluid

  • @martyp5976
    @martyp5976 ปีที่แล้ว

    Si, great content as always!

  • @sammalama
    @sammalama ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hey Icey Mike, do you feel like one element that isn't addressed during this type of training is that once there is a single successful knife slice/poke or wtv, it would completely slow you down and drain your cardio? Maybe drop your blood pressure or something? You just wouldn't be able to keep the same pace I'm sure. But during these simulations you keep fighting with your full capacity while sustaining multiple knife wounds. It's almost impossible to replicate in training but something to consider.

    • @TheRedHaze3
      @TheRedHaze3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't have any experience but I'm pretty sure adrenaline keeps you going. Most likely for long enough that the fight is over by the time you crash.

    • @wynsonrao5177
      @wynsonrao5177 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I don't think it would actually make much of a difference. Look at knife attack footage and you'll notice how little the thrusts and cuts hinder the victim's movement. Victims of stabbings often don't even realize that they have been, they just feel like they've been punched. Knife wounds are super dangerous and decently lethal BUT they take time to hurt and disable you.

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's not how it works.

  • @ozkifovxvypyvp3574
    @ozkifovxvypyvp3574 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "... butt-grabbing, scooty boys..." 🤣🤣🤣

  • @rozennbergfridi9206
    @rozennbergfridi9206 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kimura can be awesome tool for this type of self defence. Elli probably has that covered.

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It doesn't materialize much. It can be useful, but if you lose it, you are in a very bad spot (inside the arm with the knife). Outside 2 on 1 is superior because if you lose it or choose to disengage, you are a little safer.

  • @thechad3239
    @thechad3239 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Those techniques are great but when someone is bigger stronger younger its game over if you are going to try and fight them.

  • @christiangerhardt2408
    @christiangerhardt2408 ปีที่แล้ว

    And then I watched the self defence champs shank tank drop..........that was an eye opener.

  • @MarcusArmstrong037
    @MarcusArmstrong037 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Butt-scootin' Grabby Boys is my new favorite term for BJJ guys.

  • @mastermcelona
    @mastermcelona ปีที่แล้ว

    Mike, fantastic video!!

  • @GourmetBurrito
    @GourmetBurrito ปีที่แล้ว

    That kick at the end was sick

  • @marvelleonline
    @marvelleonline ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:01 I'ma stop you right there Mike. Usain Bolt's running academy is the best program.

  • @jamielondon6436
    @jamielondon6436 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have you also ever done training with the dog brothers and what do you think of them?

  • @scotopicvision
    @scotopicvision ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Love to get your opinion on MBC with biomechanical cutting. Can you really instantly stop a fight just by cutting key muscle groups?

    • @donh1572
      @donh1572 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes! Love to see your opinion after working with Michael Janich. Since him and Craig Douglas have opposing views, yet still designed a knife together

    • @nunninkav
      @nunninkav ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes.

    • @SMS2884
      @SMS2884 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes you can. You cut inside the person can't grip. You cut outside person can't let go. You cut quads person can't stand up. It's legit. But you have to have the power and speed in the cuts to do it.

    • @donh1572
      @donh1572 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SMS2884 I understand the concept and even took MBC courses. But there is no empirical evidence of it working. it’s a theory

    • @SMS2884
      @SMS2884 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@donh1572 Um it's biology. It's literally how the muscles work. And I can tell you from experience what I said is real. Again the key is the power and depth of the cut. It's like cutting a rope. One pass may not be enough. I mean that's like saying piercing the ear with a round doesn't flip the light switch. It does

  • @hater3669
    @hater3669 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    do video about brain trauma in combat sports and how to minimize the risk pls

  • @francisrodriguez2369
    @francisrodriguez2369 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Curious how they determine the winner at the self-defense championships in a knife attack bout, since obviously you can't simulate the effect landed stabs would have in reality. So when you don't fixate on the weapon and say gain control of the opponent and submit them or disarm them etc, but also got stabbed multiple times is there some scoring method or analysis process they uses to figure out if you would have "won" or if you would have been dead 60 seconds ago from massive blood loss?

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Dying _during_ a knife attack is super rare... you can only guess and muse at if you would die afterwards.

  • @evilshogunmaster
    @evilshogunmaster ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I learned 90% of what you said in just 1 dog brothers gathering of the pack. Doing knife and stick matches plus I saved a ton of money and time.

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Dog Brother gatherings are for sure enlightening... and you can say you learned 90% of what I said in a 12 minute video... but not 90% of what I learned, homie.

    • @evilshogunmaster
      @evilshogunmaster ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@hard2hurt for sure, you definitely put in the work and time. I did years of martial arts and a lot of stick and knife stuff but like me I am sure you learned most of it goes out the window once the action begins. Keep up posting I love your content.

  • @matthewschafer6359
    @matthewschafer6359 ปีที่แล้ว

    When I was about 15 we had this kid in my town that huffed gas and did crazy shit. One day he was at a park high as shit threatening people with one of those lock blade buck knives and I said I was going to find a phone and call the police (it was the mid 90's so no cell phones) and he heard me and charged at me with the knife. He held the knife in front of his right pectoral and came at me screaming trying to stick it in my chest. I didn't know much about wrestling but I did study boxing so I decided to ignore the knife and I stepped in and landed a right hand straight on his chin. His head snapped back and his knees went to jelly and took a spread eagle nap on his back. I did have a small cut on the back of my left wrist but I wouldn't have known about it if it hadn't been pointed out to me. Like Spicy Mike said at the end, he did better when he focused on stopping the attacker instead of chasing the knife. I never cared much for wrestling and ever since that day at the park I think the best way to deal with most weapons is a bit of footwork and nice tight right cross.

  • @OGCAMG
    @OGCAMG ปีที่แล้ว

    Would like to have seen Michael Janich and MDV techniques

  • @موسى_7
    @موسى_7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ultimate Self Defence Championship episode 2 came and showed us Jeff and Icy Mike himself defeating knife attackers unarmed.

  • @MarcosAG90
    @MarcosAG90 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I still have not found a single soul who told me why striking is not suitable in these situations.
    Edit: you prevailed when focusing on the attacker instead of the tool? Wow!! Just what I've been saying for years!! Awesome!!

    • @christianc.christian5025
      @christianc.christian5025 ปีที่แล้ว

      Striking to realize knife-defense =/= striking after grappling to gain control and leverage.
      If you haven’t found anyone who has told you why striking as a primary method for winning a fight with a knife-wielding opponent isn’t preferable to first/primarily grappling, then all you have to do is just watch footage of what happens to someone who tries to box and kick someone until they drop their bladed weapon.

    • @mrx2586
      @mrx2586 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@christianc.christian5025 If I was the person with the knife and someone who is even minimally skilled tried to make me drop my weapon they would certainly succeed and certainly walk away unharmed. striking is a far more viable option against a knife than grappling.

  • @Quoxozist
    @Quoxozist ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have always found that the Dog Brothers (DBMA) style of kali tudo had some very good, very simple, practical knife defense. They did a series a long time ago called "Die Less Often", where they ran full-force drills over and over for a three-day weekend seminar, with just a few simple defenses against the standard "sewing-machine" attack (ie. knife held normally in hand, with repeated low/mid-line jabbing to the ribs) - they cover everything you mentioned EWO doing, but they ALSO do ground work since many of them are BJJ guys. The crossed forearm standing defense they show is the only defense that ever worked for me under actual pressure from my training partners. with the full-contact attack scenarios they ran, everyone ended up on the floor quite often - getting that two-on-one/both hands on the opponents knife arm is basically necessary at all times once you engage, whether standing up or rolling around. anything else and you're gonna get cut real bad.

  • @beatles42ohgg94
    @beatles42ohgg94 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "its all about training thousands of reps"
    this, is by far the most important thing in any martial art.
    i trained in combative aikido. meaning, aikido vs resisting opponents. for 3 years. it taught me a few very important things.
    1. awareness. MMA doesnt teach you to look out for weapons, blind sports, or potential bad scenarios and how to get out of them.
    2. REPETITION. six hours a day for six months was spent not being allowed to traditionally strike. but i was defending against them.
    this was mainly foot work, positioning, feinting, biding time, and developing endurance.
    3. your not pulling off any of those moves in most situations, nore should you even try. but learning to take advantage of those opportunity when they arise was the big lesson.
    4. the knife defense. everything mentioned above are all things you would learn from these classes also.
    yeah, aikido in most cases is bullshit. but if you do some research, read some books. study diagrams. but if you take the time to practice all the other stuff it teaches its a very solid martial art.

  • @zachaklysdefense2274
    @zachaklysdefense2274 ปีที่แล้ว

    Add Ed' OME to the end for a 4th class . It's really deep into using the knife

  • @billfitzpatrick6202
    @billfitzpatrick6202 ปีที่แล้ว

    In a parking lot the best defence is aerosol siren, try to get a vehicle between you and your attacker, if the attacker holds his knife in front of himself he is also afraid and you should be able to back away screaming for help, if the attacker holds his knife behide him he most likely knows how to use it and isn't afraid, RUN screaming and remember he is afraid of moving vehicles!

  • @honkler1443
    @honkler1443 ปีที่แล้ว

    All that training to figure it out that kicking a knifes out of someones hand is the best solution ... hahahaha
    just kidding, good video man !

  • @johanolivier3029
    @johanolivier3029 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The only time you know you can do this is experiencing it yourself through real violence. It depends on the environment , how fast or slow your opponent is . I have been attacked by someone with a knife in the streets , you don't have time to think only on how to survive . yes i did get cut and yes it hurts like hell the day after . I'm from south africa where real violence is an everday thing.