Hey Mike, nice video. Thank you for the insight. I don't proclaim to be anything special, and I never got dojo stormed back when I was training but I did want to offer another perspective if I may. I'm pretty small guy only about 5'4. So back when I was training I was a little better than average, never became a competitive fighter, never had to drive for it though I did compete and lose a few times. Lol. But I was good enough to be a sparring partner and hold pads for my gym / training partners that were fighters. I even made a few bucks here and there. In any case, I became sort of an "enforcer". When we had a-holes like that come in trying to test or prove themselves, my coach would tell me to glove up. And then I would spar with these idiots, knock them around a little bit. I never went hard. My rule was, I'll only go as hard as you go. I'm not going to hit you hard unless you try to take my head off. (Truth be told, even then I usually didn't go very hard). Now here's the point of my story. I am disabled now. my joints are messed up, I have neurological problems, chronic pain, etc. And my point is it's from so many years of taking that damage. So that's another perspective about what it's like to be a dojo stormee. Martial arts and athletics are beautiful things, but be aware of what you're doing to yourself. You don't have to try to be a tough guy all the time. Because you will pay for it eventually. Signing off...
I ran a stunt gym for about 10 years and we'd get dojo stormed but we'd always kick em out. One drunk Russian dude came in and wanted to fight, so I complimented his tattoo as I walked him back to the front door, he started reminiscing about his mother, and he grabbed my head, planted a huge kiss on my cheek, and walked off into the night. I like to think we made his day better.
I'll add one more story: I met a local guy who was trained at a Bak Mei school, which taught students through a mostly crisis-style regimen. Their training was all about how to avoid thinking and rely only on your limbic system. They really prided themselves on being "street smart". Generally they were very antsy, anxious, and seemed eager to prove themselves; evidence that the school was abusive and seemed to attract damaged people who wanted to get back at someone. Anyway, this guy came in wanting to get into stunts, and a sparring session broke out (we'd do these a lot, but we'd always do it as an exercise in putting the brakes on: the more intense we could spar and the faster we could pull the plug and be best friends again, the better) so he wanted to try it out, and next thing we know he's backed one of our guys against the mirror and is trying to headbutt him. We broke up the sparring, reminded him that we were just a stunt gym, he was clearly a bit shaken up and never came back.
When the day comes when I inevitably parrot this to someone else that I am responsible for (a kid, a student, a client, what have you), I think I'm gonna go a step further and spell out for them what "people who matter" actually are/what that entails. Maybe something like: 1. Is this a person who I love and care for or who loves and cares for me? 2. Does this person speak and act with my best intentions in mind? 3. Does this person's thoughts or actions directly and significantly impact the quality of my relationships, my rights, or my material well-being? Still working on it, but these are the kind of "stop-and-think" questions that I think lead to better decisions and better well-being overall.
My BJJ coach was a Wizard at getting dojo stormers to try a class, love the sport and join the gym. So much of it is just providing an education and having a friendly gym culture.
This is the way to do it. Especially with BJJ. It takes all of one class to realize you don’t know shit and after everyone cooks you during rolling you NEED to know more 😂
Not sure if I want to go to a gym where many of my classmates have questionable mental health. Maybe the stormers in your neck of the woods are just young dumb guys instead of mental patients.
I was the guy who was put with people because I wouldn’t hurt them. We had open challenges, set up matches and I always got picked. 6’2” and 165 lbs, but we trained for real. Only one time did I get mad and really worked on a guy. He was about 6’ 8” and 240 and was with my 135 friend talking about ripping ears off and such. I said I was next. I slipped around to his back, lifted him enough to kick his leg out… then went to work saying why don’t you do it now. I felt no pride to do it, but it was nice to see the fear on his face and my friends smile 😂
“Human beings are bloodthirsty and shameful, so we like to see people get hurt, but we don’t wanna feel guilty for liking it so we want them to deserve it.” Holy CRAP, you’re dropping this in the FIRST MINUTE, MIKE?!
I was reverse dojo stormed. I stopped by a "Dojo" and asked about joining as a student. I explained that I had moved recently and was looking to continue training. The instructor invited me back for an evaluation. He asked me to do some katas and hit the bag etc to "place" me in the class. Then he wanted to do focus pads and he went first. I held the pads and he tried to break my arms and ribs with full power back kicks. Like 20 or 30 of them. Every one of them hurt...a lot. I was immediately put off. I just wanted to leave. He was an ass but he kept coming at me and I felt like if I tried to leave he would escalate. I mean I expressed interest in joining and then came back on a different day at his invitation and he was going off on me with all this macho nonsense. I remained respectful and halfway through I learned how to move into the kicks and hit his kicks instead of just being a punching bag. He ramped it up. Then he said it was my turn and he held the pads. I tried to do my best form while using light contact as I had been taught but he kept telling me I had to use more power etc etc. His class was over but his students stuck around to watch all this. I was embarrassed for him. He was degrading and taunting and telling me how my form was terrrible...it wasn't. Finally he said to focus and generate as much power as I could and stop worrying about hurting him, So I did. I kicked him once really hard and then I got my stuff and walked out. He didn't like me after that. I never went back. (you can really hurt people with a solid kick, it is not something to play around with)
The coach in the yellow shirt made that happen for sure. When he told the stormer that you can't bring that street attitude into a boxing gym, the other guy dropped his hands, he was done, he was listening. He didn't realise he was offending, so he was going to stop. Then the coach in the yellow said, "come on, let's work" which made the stormer think that he was supposed to continue.
yeah the guy was gonna stop but the coach basically told him to continue. if someone is stronger more skilled and intimidating, if they tell you loudly to do something after they’ve hurt you, you’re going to listen to them
@@MultiAwesomered youre no exception btw. if you’ve ever been disciplined, reprimanded, punished, etc. this has happened to you in one form or another same formula tho, different methods
When I attended a kung fu school up in New Jersey, someone showed up and challenged my buddy Matt. I wasn't there that night, but apparently the guy was drunk, and our sifu said it would only happen if he got a doctor's note. He agreed, stumbled out, and never came back.
How did I know that the scene with the boxing coach would be his prime example? I also saw that video years back, and while most praised the coach teaching this guy a lesson, I was disgusted at the coach I saw that the challenger was just some awkwardly social guy who didn't know martial art etiquette and who couldn't fight at all and was doing love taps. But for some reason, this "coach" felt it was appropriate to beat on him like he did due to him feeling superior, knowing he could easily beat him up.
That boxing coach at 5:30 escalating things looks a lot like what many cops do when they want to put the hurt on a person for not obeying the unspoken "respect ma authoritey!" rule.
The Gracies haven't helped at all in this respect. It seems like more than half their stories are about beating dojo stormers bloody. Hell, they had an open invitation called the Gracie Challenge.
Brilliant marketing in its own time. BJJ is king of combat sports in terms of name recognition and popularity (outside of boxing I guess). But the culture that created is awful. Weird traditional martial arts reverence for your “professor” combined with macho tough-guy bullshit is such a weird combination.
@@CaPnBaLlBaG Probably a hot take, but IMO a not-insignificant number of (Western) Muay Thai gyms have a similar issue. Or at the very least, they don't do enough to keep *their* equivalent of BJJ bros in check. I *don't* mean this as a knock on Muay Thai, there's *lots* of great gyms out there. But we *all* know "that guy" who thinks he's an expert because he can throw a leg kick and a flying knee, and I'm not convinced he exists in a vacuum.
I’m a little confused Mike, and this is very important; are you saying that you like vanilla Oreos more than the regular chocolate Oreos or that you prefer the cream to the cookie?
I've seen that boxing gym storm clip a thousand times, and I could never figure out why the coach got so worked up, because the old guy really didn't seem to have any malicious intent.
You've seen the clip a thousand times and you just can't figure it out? I bet you would have it all figured out if the coach was White and the "old guy" was black.
Walking into class one day I had someone stop me and want to fight. It took me, a middle age IT guy, about half a second to realize he, like many "dojo stormers" was not in the right mental state to be making decisions about fighting. A lot of times a no thank you and have a nice day while maintaining some distance works the best. Of course, he could have followed me into the school and then you have to re-evaluate from there, but most martial artists are working adults, why are we fighting randos off the streets to defend out fighting?
it honestly boggles my mind that dojo storming is a thing real people do, but in every video i've seen the person doing it seems to range from actual psychiatric issue to really stupid jerk.
McDojo Life interviewed the MMA coach from the Aikido guy, weirdly enough he was on the right: Aikido guy wanted a sequence of Vale Tudo matchs against a class of bloodthirsty students and coach defused the thing.
Agreed, and you didn’t even bring up the legalities with doing this type of thing. Go “dojo storm” a Walgreens, Petsmart, Menards, or any other biz, and you’ll most likely get to go “toe to toe” w/ the local LEO. Why is it different in a biz like a MA gym/school? Just ask the “stormer” to leave and if they don’t, dial 911. Your insurance carrier and lawyer will thank you for it.
I feel like what most coaches get out of a dojo storm is validation. If one of their students beats up a regualar guy off the street it helps validate their own coaching capabilities.
when i first watched the boxing coach one, i enjoyed watching seeing him “deserve” what he got. i recently rewatched it, and saw the guy was just not going hard and only hitting the body and I felt sorry for the guy
I actually had a Kenpo black belt tell me dojo storms don't exist. They're stupid, especially if you're the one paying for the liability insurance, and the dojo stormer gets hurt. You're not making money off this guy. What's the point?
My first black belt was in kenpo and from what I heard from my teachers that back in the 80s dojo storms and dojo wars weren’t uncommon at least in the Chicago area
@@gibiore Yeah, I witnessed a couple over my 35 years, and I've always thought they were stupid. If you aren't making money, what's the point. If you have a school, it's about making money. Fighting and maybe gettting hurt, or hurting someone and having to pay insurance is stupid. Save it for a tournament, where there's at least some publicity, and a referees, or host an event and make some money off it.
@@TheSuperGringo the thinking is that it’s free publicity. But you’d think that a wall in your gym full of trophies, belts and medals would be better publicity.
Love your videos and watch for self-defense. I’m a 61 yr old woman and some days wish I could dojo storm the world, but for now, I’ll just stick with some defense moves I practice.
i honistly think dojo storms should be a thing but like between 2 dojos. i think the idea of sparring a bunch of people who are trained but you've never traind with sounds like a lot of fun and good training becoase you have no read on there time rithem and stile but they also dont have a read on you so all your tricks will work and all there tricks will work. it just sound like chaotic fun
Some gyms do this thing - arrange a sparring session with each other. But there's no "dojo storm " thing. Its just sparring session between students of different gyms
@@mattiasniska7199 a competition sounds amazing! they should allow any martial art, maybe even a mix of them - and then see what ends up being the most effective
had this happen in a gym I used to train once. There were like 10 muay thai fighters pissed because we were "training wrong". Coach talked to them for about 1h and a half, beat them with boredom and they left.
I remember the whole thing with Charlie Zelenoff eventually getting Deontay Wilder to fight him and just... Nothing coming of it. Yeah, we have a video of Wilder demolishing Zelenoff, but it didn't actually change anything about how Charlie saw himself, or his behavior. It's always a net negative. Best case scenario is you win and no one gets hurt, but nothing changes and you've wasted time. Worst case scenario, you get injured trying to hammer a point into the steel wall that is their skull.
I've been a martial arts teacher for around 10 years now, i've been stormed like that about 7 times. Here in Brazil we call it "being tested", sometimes people are just in and they want to "test you". The first couple of times i went way too hard on the people, and tehy weren't always even amateurs, i got got pretty good by some experienced fighters, so i just thought "from now on, if this ever happens i will escalate from their testing 3 into my absolute 11". And i did that, and i hurt some people, and not only did they obviously never come back, but i lost students along the way, and i made other people afraid of me. It's just such a hard balance to strike, like what should i do, i can't just let myself get beaten up but i also need to show my stuff works because otherwise i'll demoralize my other students, and i'll put myself on that target every time too. I would never let a student get bullied by some bastard who wants to pick on us. In the end the last 3 times i found a true solution. I just let them start shit, then i stop it, i won't take part in this neither should you, so lets not do this. You wanna double-leg me out of the blue while i'm trying to teach a simple kick to you in your first class? go ahead. I'll get up and say "ok, thats not the exercise, but good double leg, whatever" They'll be so demotivated they'll stop. sometimes i'll be playful i'll even ask them to do it again, i'll turn it into a new exercise, "hey everyone this guys pretty good at double legs lets have him double leg everybody so you gius can learn", and it gets actually fun, the guy comes back, he loses the attitude, everybody wins. In retrospect someone actually trying to hurt me that had that real intention from the start only happened once, all the others were people who didn't know the consequences of attacking the way THEY thought was fine, but wasn't fine, if i'd talked to them and stopped it, it'd have been totally fine.
“I’m gonna prove it to you by showing videos of people wanting this to happen” Man, nevermind the video proof, there’s already comments *here* showing it after this vid’s been up 20 mins lol.
We got a few of those. We always tell them they have to try out a class to make sure they learn the etiquette of sparring because they always throw super hard. If they agree, they are partnered up with a tank. One guy wanted to just fight, everyone said no, he started one with a 16 year old kid anyway. He was dropped very quickly and escorted out, held down while the cops were called cuz he was threatening to come back with a gun. Thankfully no one was hurt, but those dudes do exist.
This, right here, is exactly why you do not entertain dojo stormers. Someone walks in looking for a fight, they'd be told, once, that they are welcome to come back another time and take a class. But we do not engage in street fights here. After that, if they don't immediately leave, I call the cops. Period.
For me, the reason a dojo storm sounds enjoyable is that it justifies all the hard work we put in every week to make us proficient at fighting and proves that the training is working. Plus, a lot of people join martial arts because of a bad experience with being bullied or beat up in a similarly humiliating fashion to how the dojo stormers get beat up. We got some problems out here haha 😂
Never really experienced a dojo stormer. Definitely ran into several "I just see red" guys, who are my favorite human beings, because I could be wearing a tee shirt of my gym and they take that personal. Maybe it's because I live in a rural-ish area, but dojo storming doesn't happen as much because of the general lack of dojos to storm, haha.
Thanks for posting this. Too many today get aroused by the idea of them hurting lesser trained people or hurting those that have views of reality or say things they do not agree with. I have seen it for years.
We don't so much have dojo stormers. In my town it's muay thai mma bjj and traditional arts. All of us combat sports guys get along and cross train and the taekwondo guys are smart enough to stay away 😂. Closest we get is people who come to open mats or spar with beginners and want to prove that they're a tough guy. When I was a beginner a very large human from the army came in to our "light rounds" and was blasting me when I was 17 and a 14 year old girl and one of our pros made him "have to leave early" 😂
Very mature take I don't see often, it's very easy to raise ourselves up on this pedestal because we know martial arts and think that it's always everyone else's fault for doing something stupid, but as responsible adults we should know better than try to hurt others just to stroke our ego. If some idiot storms your dojo it's your responsibity as coach, and in this case the only person who can think straight to (in someway) protect this delusional person who doesn't know what they're doing and dissuade them in any way possible from doing said thing. And then not be butthurt that someone came in to your dojo with an attitude and use that as an excuse to beat them up like that absolute moron of a boxing coach.
okay i was handling a boiling pot of water and the "there's no GLORY.... gah, maybe a li'l bit" caused me to do that sudden involuntary/unexpected laugh you do sometimes; almost Two-Faced myself 's good shit 😂
I went in an MMA gym, asked to try, the coach told me there was no trial, but took me to roll with him for a few minutes, submited me 5 times, and I signed up for their classes right away ! That's how you dojo storm guys !
I loved it when you splattered the protein goop and mopped up! Natural, human, makes me feel less of a dick and hilarious. Keep them coming. You make my day. Oh, and what you teach? I don't always agree but you know more than me, and I know what you say is genuine. In this case, 100% agree.
Great timing as the dojo I train at was stormed last Saturday by a guy in a Bjj/kickboxing shirt and a fake Rolex. I having just received my black belt a week prior wanted to slam the guy through the concrete floor but my Sensai handled it amicably and sent him on his way. When I asked him why he didn’t kick his ass he replied “I don’t want the lawsuit” that made me reevaluate everything! It’s really not worth it to defend your ego.
The statement you make at the beginning of the video about people wanting to feel okay about liking the violence is quite inciteful. The kind of thing I'd expect from a student of Dr. Joseph Campbell. Me gusta.
Ya, It's like some people are just looking for an excuse to hurt someone... and someone walking in and saying they think they can fight seems to be enough of an excuse... LOL... kinda sad.
We'd have head hunters come in once in awhile: One thought it would be a good idea to roll with his nipple ring in. He lost it. It's in a jar in the dojo, along with the front teeth of someone who decided to bite. Another head hunter got an Uchi Mata as a mule kick to the nuts. And another got knocked out with a backfist/ridge hand combo when he tried to double ear clap a student in closed guard.
I remember a video I saw on Twitter a while ago of a short kid (around 12 yo or so) bullying and mocking a much taller but quiet kid in the classroom, a kid who clearly didn't want to fight and just wanted to be left alone. But because he is tall and stocky and the kid getting on his face was short and skinny, the video was titled something like "Little dude stands up to his bully" and everyone in comments was applauding the clear abuse of the tall (probably autistic) kid. I have no doubts the tall kid from that footage bears some form of trauma from the experience. Not only was he victimized once in the classroom by the bully and his mates (who held his arms when he tried to fight back), he was victimized twice when that footage was uploaded under a false narrative. So yeah... when I see people using hidden cams to film their training / sparring sessions at the gym without telling other people they're being filmed, it makes me a bit worried for mine and other people's privacy. I just find it disrespectful. I find it disrespectful in normal gyms and I find it even more disrespectful in martial arts environments (unless other people give consent, of course). Imagine getting clocked during sparring, go unconscious, someone takes that footage and uploads it to millions of people under the title "Cocky mf 🤬 messed with this dude's gf 💔👧🏼 and got KO'd 🚑 in the ring 🤣🤣😭💀💀💀💪"
My teacher always compliments stormers and let's them leave thinking that exact thing. Because they never come back to bug you again. he also does this to students who are disruptive. Encourages them to find "better teachers" or "better schools" because "their skill is being wasted here." Fun guy. Luckily, what he teaches gets talked down about pretty often anyway. So he doesn't really get stormers now that he's teaching smaller groups.
Just on this friday I was doing drills with one of the coaches, bro was going so hard I felt like it became sparring at one point. Then later I was talking with him and he was telling me how he is now training on a new gym where on the first class he got KNOCKED OUT in sparring and this is what made him wanna stay I would risk saying the majority of people that know how to fight think getting beat up is good training
A big reason a lot of dojos are excited about dojo stormers is that under normal circumstances you have to abide by sporting and injury prevention sensibilities for the sake of people you normally train with. The stormer is just a piece of meat to be hurt for training and entertainment, with no long-term considerations.
Back when we called it "dojo busting," we were martial artists trying to clean up fake instructors and their telemarketing what was basically "Jazzecise" with gis instead of leg warmers. Gawd I'm old😂
Just saying “no thanks” is a shockingly effective way to avoid alot (not all) of altercations. As a bouncer it saved alot of nights from getting ugly, and the shit people say to try to get you to fight is often way more entertaining.
Bmac handled a dojo stormer perfectly. He started flat on his belly andcompletely dominated. He then started in whatever position the guy wanted and toyed with the guy.
“Humans are bloodthirsty and shameful, we like to see people get hurt but we don’t want feel guilty for liking it So we want him to deserve it” Could’ve been a quote of a historian, psychologist, sociologist 😅
That was a common practice in martial arts going back a long way. This was common in Kung Fu centuries ago and also common in bjj in its earlier years.
You're telling me people want to start fights? Huh. Also I can believe that Icy Mike likes vanilla oreos over the chocolate. He looks like that kinda guy. Hydrox are the superior sandwich cookie.
There are only 2 possibilities if the coach refuses the "stormer": - the guy leaves (it doesn't matter what he thinks); - the guy doesn't want to leave and says something along the lines of "I'll only leave after I fight someone". Never head of any story that got this second situation so I'll imagine this is quite rare;
The second situation is easily handled with a call to the cops for someone trespassing on property. Or, if the guy is being a serious threat, call the cops and say someone is assaulting your clients. (Assault can be verbal.)
Man dominick cruz is just the best. Out of all his many accomplishments i think accosting a ninja in a cage is definitely up there and further solidifies his GOAT status
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Hey Mike, nice video. Thank you for the insight.
I don't proclaim to be anything special, and I never got dojo stormed back when I was training but I did want to offer another perspective if I may.
I'm pretty small guy only about 5'4. So back when I was training I was a little better than average, never became a competitive fighter, never had to drive for it though I did compete and lose a few times. Lol. But I was good enough to be a sparring partner and hold pads for my gym / training partners that were fighters. I even made a few bucks here and there. In any case, I became sort of an "enforcer".
When we had a-holes like that come in trying to test or prove themselves, my coach would tell me to glove up. And then I would spar with these idiots, knock them around a little bit. I never went hard. My rule was, I'll only go as hard as you go. I'm not going to hit you hard unless you try to take my head off. (Truth be told, even then I usually didn't go very hard).
Now here's the point of my story. I am disabled now. my joints are messed up, I have neurological problems, chronic pain, etc. And my point is it's from so many years of taking that damage. So that's another perspective about what it's like to be a dojo stormee. Martial arts and athletics are beautiful things, but be aware of what you're doing to yourself. You don't have to try to be a tough guy all the time. Because you will pay for it eventually. Signing off...
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Well that's one way to get me to un subscribe I guess
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I ran a stunt gym for about 10 years and we'd get dojo stormed but we'd always kick em out. One drunk Russian dude came in and wanted to fight, so I complimented his tattoo as I walked him back to the front door, he started reminiscing about his mother, and he grabbed my head, planted a huge kiss on my cheek, and walked off into the night. I like to think we made his day better.
Loved your movies!
I'll add one more story: I met a local guy who was trained at a Bak Mei school, which taught students through a mostly crisis-style regimen. Their training was all about how to avoid thinking and rely only on your limbic system. They really prided themselves on being "street smart". Generally they were very antsy, anxious, and seemed eager to prove themselves; evidence that the school was abusive and seemed to attract damaged people who wanted to get back at someone. Anyway, this guy came in wanting to get into stunts, and a sparring session broke out (we'd do these a lot, but we'd always do it as an exercise in putting the brakes on: the more intense we could spar and the faster we could pull the plug and be best friends again, the better) so he wanted to try it out, and next thing we know he's backed one of our guys against the mirror and is trying to headbutt him. We broke up the sparring, reminded him that we were just a stunt gym, he was clearly a bit shaken up and never came back.
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thats so sweet
As a dojo stormer, I think my undefeated street fight record helped me a lot
I'm sure.
Oh brother 😂
You should keep it up. I bet you are ufc material.
I can't tell if you're joking or not
@bryce4228 that's why it's funny
"It doesn't affect me when people who don't matter believe something about me that isn't true," is a great concept for life in general.
Great Quote!
True!
When the day comes when I inevitably parrot this to someone else that I am responsible for (a kid, a student, a client, what have you), I think I'm gonna go a step further and spell out for them what "people who matter" actually are/what that entails. Maybe something like:
1. Is this a person who I love and care for or who loves and cares for me?
2. Does this person speak and act with my best intentions in mind?
3. Does this person's thoughts or actions directly and significantly impact the quality of my relationships, my rights, or my material well-being?
Still working on it, but these are the kind of "stop-and-think" questions that I think lead to better decisions and better well-being overall.
My BJJ coach was a Wizard at getting dojo stormers to try a class, love the sport and join the gym. So much of it is just providing an education and having a friendly gym culture.
This is the way to do it. Especially with BJJ. It takes all of one class to realize you don’t know shit and after everyone cooks you during rolling you NEED to know more 😂
lol the art of fighting without fighting, or “mental jiu jitsu” in action
In gym culture, that's just free advertising
Not sure if I want to go to a gym where many of my classmates have questionable mental health. Maybe the stormers in your neck of the woods are just young dumb guys instead of mental patients.
I was the guy who was put with people because I wouldn’t hurt them. We had open challenges, set up matches and I always got picked. 6’2” and 165 lbs, but we trained for real. Only one time did I get mad and really worked on a guy. He was about 6’ 8” and 240 and was with my 135 friend talking about ripping ears off and such. I said I was next. I slipped around to his back, lifted him enough to kick his leg out… then went to work saying why don’t you do it now. I felt no pride to do it, but it was nice to see the fear on his face and my friends smile 😂
“Human beings are bloodthirsty and shameful, so we like to see people get hurt, but we don’t wanna feel guilty for liking it so we want them to deserve it.”
Holy CRAP, you’re dropping this in the FIRST MINUTE, MIKE?!
Seen😂
I was reverse dojo stormed.
I stopped by a "Dojo" and asked about joining as a student. I explained that I had moved recently and was looking to continue training. The instructor invited me back for an evaluation. He asked me to do some katas and hit the bag etc to "place" me in the class. Then he wanted to do focus pads and he went first. I held the pads and he tried to break my arms and ribs with full power back kicks. Like 20 or 30 of them. Every one of them hurt...a lot. I was immediately put off. I just wanted to leave. He was an ass but he kept coming at me and I felt like if I tried to leave he would escalate. I mean I expressed interest in joining and then came back on a different day at his invitation and he was going off on me with all this macho nonsense. I remained respectful and halfway through I learned how to move into the kicks and hit his kicks instead of just being a punching bag. He ramped it up. Then he said it was my turn and he held the pads. I tried to do my best form while using light contact as I had been taught but he kept telling me I had to use more power etc etc. His class was over but his students stuck around to watch all this. I was embarrassed for him.
He was degrading and taunting and telling me how my form was terrrible...it wasn't. Finally he said to focus and generate as much power as I could and stop worrying about hurting him, So I did. I kicked him once really hard and then I got my stuff and walked out. He didn't like me after that. I never went back. (you can really hurt people with a solid kick, it is not something to play around with)
sounds like a bad kyokushin dojo...
The coach in the yellow shirt made that happen for sure. When he told the stormer that you can't bring that street attitude into a boxing gym, the other guy dropped his hands, he was done, he was listening. He didn't realise he was offending, so he was going to stop. Then the coach in the yellow said, "come on, let's work" which made the stormer think that he was supposed to continue.
yeah the guy was gonna stop but the coach basically told him to continue.
if someone is stronger more skilled and intimidating, if they tell you loudly to do something after they’ve hurt you, you’re going to listen to them
If you're weak, @@BTboxing
@@MultiAwesomered youre no exception btw. if you’ve ever been disciplined, reprimanded, punished, etc. this has happened to you in one form or another
same formula tho, different methods
When I attended a kung fu school up in New Jersey, someone showed up and challenged my buddy Matt. I wasn't there that night, but apparently the guy was drunk, and our sifu said it would only happen if he got a doctor's note. He agreed, stumbled out, and never came back.
How did I know that the scene with the boxing coach would be his prime example? I also saw that video years back, and while most praised the coach teaching this guy a lesson, I was disgusted at the coach
I saw that the challenger was just some awkwardly social guy who didn't know martial art etiquette and who couldn't fight at all and was doing love taps. But for some reason, this "coach" felt it was appropriate to beat on him like he did due to him feeling superior, knowing he could easily beat him up.
That boxing coach at 5:30 escalating things looks a lot like what many cops do when they want to put the hurt on a person for not obeying the unspoken "respect ma authoritey!" rule.
This dude is an ex-cop... maybe he feels guilty and now he's playing the "respectable citizen" lol
@@agreat8745 Not all cops are like that. A lot of them are genuinely good people
@@jameslough6329 Those "genuinely good people" will shuut you in the face if they are ordered to... after they shuut your dog.
@@agreat8745 You sound really reasonable and intelligent
love Fight Commentary breakdowns!! good video Mike.
The Gracies haven't helped at all in this respect. It seems like more than half their stories are about beating dojo stormers bloody. Hell, they had an open invitation called the Gracie Challenge.
Brilliant marketing in its own time. BJJ is king of combat sports in terms of name recognition and popularity (outside of boxing I guess). But the culture that created is awful. Weird traditional martial arts reverence for your “professor” combined with macho tough-guy bullshit is such a weird combination.
Some Scientology weirdo shit for sure. Just wait for the Diddy connection.
@@Maxmarvelus Gordon Ryan’s weird ass is already working the Diddy angle
@ dammmmmmmm the diddy is deep
@@CaPnBaLlBaG Probably a hot take, but IMO a not-insignificant number of (Western) Muay Thai gyms have a similar issue. Or at the very least, they don't do enough to keep *their* equivalent of BJJ bros in check.
I *don't* mean this as a knock on Muay Thai, there's *lots* of great gyms out there. But we *all* know "that guy" who thinks he's an expert because he can throw a leg kick and a flying knee, and I'm not convinced he exists in a vacuum.
I’m a little confused Mike, and this is very important; are you saying that you like vanilla Oreos more than the regular chocolate Oreos or that you prefer the cream to the cookie?
My apologies. That was unclear. I prefer vanilla oreos.
@@hard2hurtGolden Oreos are objectively better than chocolate. They straight up melt in your mouth, especially if you dip them in milk.
This is disappointing knowledge. I still have respect for Mike. Just not as much
@@CaPnBaLlBaG I didn't have the courage to type the words. Stunning and brave
@@hard2hurt And you call Dominic Cruz a psycho?
I've seen that boxing gym storm clip a thousand times, and I could never figure out why the coach got so worked up, because the old guy really didn't seem to have any malicious intent.
I saw it too and saw comments saying the guy did something bad off camera, but now that I'm seeing it again I'm realizing how fucked up it is
You've seen the clip a thousand times and you just can't figure it out? I bet you would have it all figured out if the coach was White and the "old guy" was black.
@@agreat8745 WTF does this have to do with race? Stop talking out of your ass
@@agreat8745 100%
Walking into class one day I had someone stop me and want to fight. It took me, a middle age IT guy, about half a second to realize he, like many "dojo stormers" was not in the right mental state to be making decisions about fighting. A lot of times a no thank you and have a nice day while maintaining some distance works the best. Of course, he could have followed me into the school and then you have to re-evaluate from there, but most martial artists are working adults, why are we fighting randos off the streets to defend out fighting?
it honestly boggles my mind that dojo storming is a thing real people do, but in every video i've seen the person doing it seems to range from actual psychiatric issue to really stupid jerk.
People that do Dojo Storms are either really into 80's action flicks, or anime. Possibly both.
I'm starting to think with power comes responsibility.
McDojo Life interviewed the MMA coach from the Aikido guy, weirdly enough he was on the right: Aikido guy wanted a sequence of Vale Tudo matchs against a class of bloodthirsty students and coach defused the thing.
But yes, my coaches used to love being dojo stormed when they were younger
Bring dojo storms back!
They never left.
@@hard2hurt I know! I run a gym 🤫
@@hard2hurtoh shoot I hope i your foot heals up quick!
Wow I’ve watched that boxing clip a bunch and never caught the “I want you to train me” comment. Also wise words at the end!
@@christophervelez1561 To be fair, that guy also said a lot of shit before that, and that coach was pretty gentle with him, all in all.
Agreed, and you didn’t even bring up the legalities with doing this type of thing. Go “dojo storm” a Walgreens, Petsmart, Menards, or any other biz, and you’ll most likely get to go “toe to toe” w/ the local LEO. Why is it different in a biz like a MA gym/school? Just ask the “stormer” to leave and if they don’t, dial 911. Your insurance carrier and lawyer will thank you for it.
Because in the dojo the staff says "ok" lol
"Why was I worried that people who don't matter, would think something that wasn't true?"
Word.
I feel like what most coaches get out of a dojo storm is validation. If one of their students beats up a regualar guy off the street it helps validate their own coaching capabilities.
Anybody could do that.
when i first watched the boxing coach one, i enjoyed watching seeing him “deserve” what he got.
i recently rewatched it, and saw the guy was just not going hard and only hitting the body and I felt sorry for the guy
Maybe you did some growing since you last watched it as well.
The video title is misleading I fell for it too. Even if he was talking shit however still wasn't cool.
the version I saw way back was edited differently and had a deceptive title, maybe you fell for something similar
loving the videos about being a mature and composed adult in a heated and violent sport
I actually had a Kenpo black belt tell me dojo storms don't exist. They're stupid, especially if you're the one paying for the liability insurance, and the dojo stormer gets hurt. You're not making money off this guy. What's the point?
My first black belt was in kenpo and from what I heard from my teachers that back in the 80s dojo storms and dojo wars weren’t uncommon at least in the Chicago area
@@gibiorehad a lot of threats in the 80s cleared entire towns of other schools but when we told what times we would be there no one ever showed up 😂
@@gibiore Yeah, I witnessed a couple over my 35 years, and I've always thought they were stupid. If you aren't making money, what's the point. If you have a school, it's about making money. Fighting and maybe gettting hurt, or hurting someone and having to pay insurance is stupid. Save it for a tournament, where there's at least some publicity, and a referees, or host an event and make some money off it.
@@TheSuperGringo the thinking is that it’s free publicity. But you’d think that a wall in your gym full of trophies, belts and medals would be better publicity.
@@CaPnBaLlBaG My point exactly.
Love your videos and watch for self-defense. I’m a 61 yr old woman and some days wish I could dojo storm the world, but for now, I’ll just stick with some defense moves I practice.
practice carry pepper spray in a very large can in a purse.
I have those days too. Sounds like you handle them well.
Mike continuing his 1000 video streak of being absolutely based
i honistly think dojo storms should be a thing but like between 2 dojos. i think the idea of sparring a bunch of people who are trained but you've never traind with sounds like a lot of fun and good training becoase you have no read on there time rithem and stile but they also dont have a read on you so all your tricks will work and all there tricks will work. it just sound like chaotic fun
Some gyms do this thing - arrange a sparring session with each other. But there's no "dojo storm " thing. Its just sparring session between students of different gyms
It exists, it’s called a smoker
sounds almost like some kind of competition
@@mattiasniska7199 a competition sounds amazing! they should allow any martial art, maybe even a mix of them - and then see what ends up being the most effective
Isn't that just a well attended Open Mat?
I'm a dojo stormtrooper
Can't land a single shot?
Never feel sorry for a ninja. Do you know the stuff they've been up to?!
No... we don't... they're ninja.
had this happen in a gym I used to train once. There were like 10 muay thai fighters pissed because we were "training wrong". Coach talked to them for about 1h and a half, beat them with boredom and they left.
The twist is you were an Aikido gym ans so the Muay Thai fighters were right? ;)
I remember the whole thing with Charlie Zelenoff eventually getting Deontay Wilder to fight him and just... Nothing coming of it. Yeah, we have a video of Wilder demolishing Zelenoff, but it didn't actually change anything about how Charlie saw himself, or his behavior.
It's always a net negative. Best case scenario is you win and no one gets hurt, but nothing changes and you've wasted time. Worst case scenario, you get injured trying to hammer a point into the steel wall that is their skull.
Thanks, Icy Mike! Bless you and yours for upcoming holidays.
"Saved him from death by Strickland" got a giggle out of me
I've been a martial arts teacher for around 10 years now, i've been stormed like that about 7 times. Here in Brazil we call it "being tested", sometimes people are just in and they want to "test you". The first couple of times i went way too hard on the people, and tehy weren't always even amateurs, i got got pretty good by some experienced fighters, so i just thought "from now on, if this ever happens i will escalate from their testing 3 into my absolute 11". And i did that, and i hurt some people, and not only did they obviously never come back, but i lost students along the way, and i made other people afraid of me. It's just such a hard balance to strike, like what should i do, i can't just let myself get beaten up but i also need to show my stuff works because otherwise i'll demoralize my other students, and i'll put myself on that target every time too. I would never let a student get bullied by some bastard who wants to pick on us. In the end the last 3 times i found a true solution. I just let them start shit, then i stop it, i won't take part in this neither should you, so lets not do this. You wanna double-leg me out of the blue while i'm trying to teach a simple kick to you in your first class? go ahead. I'll get up and say "ok, thats not the exercise, but good double leg, whatever" They'll be so demotivated they'll stop. sometimes i'll be playful i'll even ask them to do it again, i'll turn it into a new exercise, "hey everyone this guys pretty good at double legs lets have him double leg everybody so you gius can learn", and it gets actually fun, the guy comes back, he loses the attitude, everybody wins. In retrospect someone actually trying to hurt me that had that real intention from the start only happened once, all the others were people who didn't know the consequences of attacking the way THEY thought was fine, but wasn't fine, if i'd talked to them and stopped it, it'd have been totally fine.
“I’m gonna prove it to you by showing videos of people wanting this to happen”
Man, nevermind the video proof, there’s already comments *here* showing it after this vid’s been up 20 mins lol.
10:22 Hey hey hey, there he is !
It's not much, but I try to give to the people that are paying attention lol
Wow, much respect to you for making this video. This is not what a lot of people want to hear. You make a very good point.
We got a few of those. We always tell them they have to try out a class to make sure they learn the etiquette of sparring because they always throw super hard. If they agree, they are partnered up with a tank. One guy wanted to just fight, everyone said no, he started one with a 16 year old kid anyway. He was dropped very quickly and escorted out, held down while the cops were called cuz he was threatening to come back with a gun. Thankfully no one was hurt, but those dudes do exist.
This, right here, is exactly why you do not entertain dojo stormers. Someone walks in looking for a fight, they'd be told, once, that they are welcome to come back another time and take a class. But we do not engage in street fights here. After that, if they don't immediately leave, I call the cops. Period.
@@hardcaliber19 yeah, why waste your reputation, risk jail time and injury for some random nobody? makes zero sense.
For me, the reason a dojo storm sounds enjoyable is that it justifies all the hard work we put in every week to make us proficient at fighting and proves that the training is working. Plus, a lot of people join martial arts because of a bad experience with being bullied or beat up in a similarly humiliating fashion to how the dojo stormers get beat up. We got some problems out here haha 😂
Ha! "Death by Strickland." I like that...😎
You never disappoint. That last "...maybe a little bit" made me laugh.
Never really experienced a dojo stormer. Definitely ran into several "I just see red" guys, who are my favorite human beings, because I could be wearing a tee shirt of my gym and they take that personal. Maybe it's because I live in a rural-ish area, but dojo storming doesn't happen as much because of the general lack of dojos to storm, haha.
i am always cautionary with new guys as you said mike, they the real dangerous dudes fr
You can tell that it's the coach's fault because it's called "dojo storming" and not "assault and battery".
💯
the intro is spot on.
human beings are programmed like that
When is the follow up where you test vanilla vs chocolate oreos in da streetz to see which one is superior?
Treat Beefs
Thanks for posting this. Too many today get aroused by the idea of them hurting lesser trained people or hurting those that have views of reality or say things they do not agree with. I have seen it for years.
Mike, you speak of humility, which helps in every aspect of life. Well said.
1:25 why do I wanna see the security cam footage of that. Damn that would be entertaining 😂
We don't so much have dojo stormers. In my town it's muay thai mma bjj and traditional arts. All of us combat sports guys get along and cross train and the taekwondo guys are smart enough to stay away 😂. Closest we get is people who come to open mats or spar with beginners and want to prove that they're a tough guy. When I was a beginner a very large human from the army came in to our "light rounds" and was blasting me when I was 17 and a 14 year old girl and one of our pros made him "have to leave early" 😂
I’ve seen the boxing video a few times and never noticed that blue shirt’s gloves were on backwards
Very mature take I don't see often, it's very easy to raise ourselves up on this pedestal because we know martial arts and think that it's always everyone else's fault for doing something stupid, but as responsible adults we should know better than try to hurt others just to stroke our ego. If some idiot storms your dojo it's your responsibity as coach, and in this case the only person who can think straight to (in someway) protect this delusional person who doesn't know what they're doing and dissuade them in any way possible from doing said thing. And then not be butthurt that someone came in to your dojo with an attitude and use that as an excuse to beat them up like that absolute moron of a boxing coach.
Without a doubt this was your best intro ever.
The sponsor transition was super smooth lol
What a great message!
Thanks for putting into words why I’ve felt uncomfortable when reading the comments of videos where pretty much anyone gets hurt
okay i was handling a boiling pot of water and the
"there's no GLORY.... gah, maybe a li'l bit"
caused me to do that sudden involuntary/unexpected laugh you do sometimes; almost Two-Faced myself
's good shit 😂
I went in an MMA gym, asked to try, the coach told me there was no trial, but took me to roll with him for a few minutes, submited me 5 times, and I signed up for their classes right away ! That's how you dojo storm guys !
I loved it when you splattered the protein goop and mopped up! Natural, human, makes me feel less of a dick and hilarious. Keep them coming. You make my day. Oh, and what you teach? I don't always agree but you know more than me, and I know what you say is genuine. In this case, 100% agree.
"how would you know someone regrets beating up a ninja?" (paraphrased)
I mean, you've been there yourself!
I…learned a new term today.
DUDE!!! I'm totally gonna buy equipfoods! Totally processed, but at least it's "clean and simple" ingredients!
Great timing as the dojo I train at was stormed last Saturday by a guy in a Bjj/kickboxing shirt and a fake Rolex. I having just received my black belt a week prior wanted to slam the guy through the concrete floor but my Sensai handled it amicably and sent him on his way. When I asked him why he didn’t kick his ass he replied “I don’t want the lawsuit” that made me reevaluate everything! It’s really not worth it to defend your ego.
The statement you make at the beginning of the video about people wanting to feel okay about liking the violence is quite inciteful. The kind of thing I'd expect from a student of Dr. Joseph Campbell. Me gusta.
Ya, It's like some people are just looking for an excuse to hurt someone... and someone walking in and saying they think they can fight seems to be enough of an excuse... LOL... kinda sad.
amazing advice Mike. Keep it coming!
100% agree. Give 'em a good time and you'll gain a student in the process.
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Some toe got snapped off? 😮 Explain please
I thought that was pretty clear...
@@hard2hurt Did you put it in a jar of formaldehyde? I would keep that on my curio cabinet if it was me.
Great shoutout to Jerry !
Good ol Mike, thank you for another fantastic video.
Saying "say no to smashing ninjas" after smashing a "backyardstormer" Ninja is really Insightful 😂😂😂😂
Hope your foot gets better asap ! Cool video, thanks ! Greetings from Paris
I got the same stupid boot on at the moment for a plantar plate tear. Hope you have a quicker recovery than I'm having 🙏
We'd have head hunters come in once in awhile:
One thought it would be a good idea to roll with his nipple ring in. He lost it. It's in a jar in the dojo, along with the front teeth of someone who decided to bite.
Another head hunter got an Uchi Mata as a mule kick to the nuts. And another got knocked out with a backfist/ridge hand combo when he tried to double ear clap a student in closed guard.
That sounds very unsanitary, for a dojo.
Very true. Great point.
I remember a video I saw on Twitter a while ago of a short kid (around 12 yo or so) bullying and mocking a much taller but quiet kid in the classroom, a kid who clearly didn't want to fight and just wanted to be left alone. But because he is tall and stocky and the kid getting on his face was short and skinny, the video was titled something like "Little dude stands up to his bully" and everyone in comments was applauding the clear abuse of the tall (probably autistic) kid. I have no doubts the tall kid from that footage bears some form of trauma from the experience. Not only was he victimized once in the classroom by the bully and his mates (who held his arms when he tried to fight back), he was victimized twice when that footage was uploaded under a false narrative.
So yeah... when I see people using hidden cams to film their training / sparring sessions at the gym without telling other people they're being filmed, it makes me a bit worried for mine and other people's privacy. I just find it disrespectful. I find it disrespectful in normal gyms and I find it even more disrespectful in martial arts environments (unless other people give consent, of course).
Imagine getting clocked during sparring, go unconscious, someone takes that footage and uploads it to millions of people under the title "Cocky mf 🤬 messed with this dude's gf 💔👧🏼 and got KO'd 🚑 in the ring 🤣🤣😭💀💀💀💪"
My teacher always compliments stormers and let's them leave thinking that exact thing. Because they never come back to bug you again. he also does this to students who are disruptive. Encourages them to find "better teachers" or "better schools" because "their skill is being wasted here."
Fun guy. Luckily, what he teaches gets talked down about pretty often anyway. So he doesn't really get stormers now that he's teaching smaller groups.
Just on this friday I was doing drills with one of the coaches, bro was going so hard I felt like it became sparring at one point. Then later I was talking with him and he was telling me how he is now training on a new gym where on the first class he got KNOCKED OUT in sparring and this is what made him wanna stay
I would risk saying the majority of people that know how to fight think getting beat up is good training
A big reason a lot of dojos are excited about dojo stormers is that under normal circumstances you have to abide by sporting and injury prevention sensibilities for the sake of people you normally train with. The stormer is just a piece of meat to be hurt for training and entertainment, with no long-term considerations.
this is a great vid... so well done
Icy Mike is going Icy Miyagi up in here. Seriously though, this is a very refreshing perspective going back to Budo.
The one where BMac has a wrestler dojo storm his gym and BMac just lays down the whole time lol
Back when we called it "dojo busting," we were martial artists trying to clean up fake instructors and their telemarketing what was basically "Jazzecise" with gis instead of leg warmers. Gawd I'm old😂
You do sime really, really good videos. This is one of them.
Wise decision. You have seen the light grasshopper.
There's that... 🙏🏼
Just saying “no thanks” is a shockingly effective way to avoid alot (not all) of altercations. As a bouncer it saved alot of nights from getting ugly, and the shit people say to try to get you to fight is often way more entertaining.
Bmac handled a dojo stormer perfectly. He started flat on his belly andcompletely dominated. He then started in whatever position the guy wanted and toyed with the guy.
“Humans are bloodthirsty and shameful, we like to see people get hurt but we don’t want feel guilty for liking it
So we want him to deserve it”
Could’ve been a quote of a historian, psychologist, sociologist 😅
"some toe got broke off" LOL
That was a common practice in martial arts going back a long way. This was common in Kung Fu centuries ago and also common in bjj in its earlier years.
Here, in Brasil, entire gyms storms each other
You're telling me people want to start fights?
Huh.
Also I can believe that Icy Mike likes vanilla oreos over the chocolate.
He looks like that kinda guy.
Hydrox are the superior sandwich cookie.
4:39 Icey Mike fought a Ninja, too. In Satan’s backyard, no less.
There are only 2 possibilities if the coach refuses the "stormer":
- the guy leaves (it doesn't matter what he thinks);
- the guy doesn't want to leave and says something along the lines of "I'll only leave after I fight someone". Never head of any story that got this second situation so I'll imagine this is quite rare;
The second situation is easily handled with a call to the cops for someone trespassing on property. Or, if the guy is being a serious threat, call the cops and say someone is assaulting your clients. (Assault can be verbal.)
@@echol8087 Indeed. Although I imagine that if the guy did that he might me getting "jumped" by every student in there. 😁
I've seen this clip before and never even saw the gloves on backwards. Pretty crazy.
Man dominick cruz is just the best. Out of all his many accomplishments i think accosting a ninja in a cage is definitely up there and further solidifies his GOAT status