I totally have math anxiety, and I'm a pure maths major.. so if you think you had the worst time in highschool try doing higher maths and see how you feel :)))
I think its not always about what you learn in school, or sexism, etc but that some people are not good at calculating and im not talking about dyscalculia. I do agree that upbringing has some influence to an extent.
Great message and great job on this, Laura Overdeck. I have taught high school Math, and this makes me more aware that the girls in the class may need more comprehensive lessons and more tutoring -- I totally believe both girls and boys are fully capable in Math; but to help the girls' confidence in doing Math. Thank you.
She's wrong about One Fish Two Fish- it counts up to eleven on one page- but she makes a lot of good points. Other favorite counting books in our house are Sandra Boynton's "Doggies" and "Zin Zin Zin a Violin". It's a shame they're less popular than math workbooks.
She didn't include the majors that don't involve math, yet make over 100k. Felt like that was a bit biased. Just because you don't prefer math, and you're not good at it, isn't the end of the world. This woman is shaming those who do not like the subject, and she's lightly referring that they are not successful. Not a good way to uplift others if you're bringing down those who see differently.
if she's shaming anyone is the bad high school teachers that make kids develop math anxiety. At my school we have very good math teachers and even if kids weren't particularly passionate about maths, they did understand what was happening in classes so they never developed such anxiety and went on to study medicine, law, graphic design etc.. But unlike most people on the planet, they will not be the ones saying stuff like: oh I HATED maths, I'm really bad at maths, or my brain just works differently etc.. ending up shaming people who do try to persue maths further in life. Basically exactly the opposite of what you're saying! math students get discriminated for their choice, not the other way around. Math is hard work, not talent, and like any other hard work if you're left at your devices with no proper support, you will not get the results that will make you like what you're doing. I personally do struggle a lot at my undergrads maths courses because I do learn differently and it's hard to find someone who will explain stuff to me in a way that my brain can also understand it properly. I also tutor at times and if the "student" doesn't understand what's happening, I assume it's my fault for not explaining it properly, rather than that the student is too dumb to understand it, because if I can understand something, anyone can understand it, perhaps not by the same means, but therein lies the art of teaching! finding the means that would bring that student from point A to point B.
@whizkid ...You can get me on facebook if and when you need help with math.Cause sometimes u don't find the right clips here to help you and i've had my fair share of frustration in the past.
Could someone please point me to the study Overdeck cites near the beginning? The one that has women do worse at math tests if they assert their gender before taking it.
I'm really sad that this video isn't getting the appropriate amount of views! there are to many videos that do nothing to further society in a positive way that get thousands of views and this video which could in theory shape a mind set for women in the future only has 2000 views. I've shared the video if you really care about what she's saying share the video
"Don't be so pathetic; divide by 5 and that's the tip" That's a heartless thing to say to a dyscalculic. She didn't cover all the details and is acting as if women choose to put math aside.. Science proves that more women suffer from dyscalculia than men. That's a pretty legit reason to be afraid of math. I know all about it because I'm a woman with dyscalculia. Also the her statement that nobody says something like "I'm not so good at reading" is also wrong. My father is very dyslexic and can't read or spell the simplest words in the vocabulary. She really should've thought about what she is saying before talking in public and on the internet like that..
NetSurfingNightOwl Do you have a source saying there are more women than men with dyscalculia? Every thing I have read has said the was no gender divide.
it really isnt, dyscalculia is a **mental disorder**, she is speaking to average people that think they are below average without good reason, not to people that actually have a disorder, it would be similar to interpreting this as being a heartless thing to say to a brain dead person, they are a select few
This was a very interesting talk, somewhere between telling as it is and giving a pep-talk. I'd say a much needed one. She's right: a lot of what handicaps girls and women doing maths comes from both stereotypes and rôle models, which is definitely worrying. When I taught remedial GCSE maths in the UK, we had a lot of young women and girls in the class. Do the have a higher incidence of dyscalculia? No! They just end up with the wrong attitudes being demonstrated to them, for the most part. ->
-> they* Gender stereotyping is problematic in education for anything, but especially so for maths. And so is the modelling of maths as being 'too hard for girls' - by anyone, not just mothers and teachers. Only way forward: positive engagement with maths. Willingness to make mistakes and learn why they were mistakes. And then make them much less often. Maths is not a torture system: it's a language, and a toolkit, for describing problems and solving them. Nothing more, nothing less.
I got math anxiety. I liked the speech, (because i experienced the same as a child) until the 16 min, where she started to say that "its not that hard! just divide by five...." then i got mad. I would never do math public, i almost get panic attacks. People reactions when i need paper to figure out "easy" math problem is just too much to handle. So no i will not divide by five.
Addition, subtraction, division, probability, geometry etc is useful but algebra, calculus, integration etc are useless and the worst thing ever taught by teachers.
Hey EMAHS - actually "Not" -- next time check Wikipedia first. Algebra is essential for many simple finance calculations and in everyday life: paying off your mortgage, paying off credit cards, calculating the time of your travel on a trip, etc. Calculus is essential for many engineering, science, and finance/economics careers (not so essential elsewhere). - cheers
calculus and beyond arent very useful for your random everyday person, but for example this woman's wife, John Overdeck is the founder of two sigma and a billionaire, of course, he used math to do this, he scored a silver medal in the international math olympiad so he had the mathematical ability to create good models. but even for a random person, you do need basic algebra
I totally have math anxiety, and I'm a pure maths major.. so if you think you had the worst time in highschool try doing higher maths and see how you feel :)))
Good for you..so are u undergrad or post grad?..and wht math are you doing?
+whizkid - yes, good for you for your courage and persistence in pursuing Math.
Her word choice is pretty impressive
the presentation was so good that it will catch anybodys attention
On my boat Laura Overdeck would be Laura Overboard.
I think its not always about what you learn in school, or sexism, etc but that some people are not good at calculating and im not talking about dyscalculia. I do agree that upbringing has some influence to an extent.
Great message and great job on this, Laura Overdeck. I have taught high school Math, and this makes me more aware that the girls in the class may need more comprehensive lessons and more tutoring -- I totally believe both girls and boys are fully capable in Math; but to help the girls' confidence in doing Math. Thank you.
Thankfully in the UK teachers have to have a maths qualification. The minimum grade is the same in maths and English.
I’m just trying to finally graduate college myself. After all of these years, trying to overcome “ math anxiety “
She's wrong about One Fish Two Fish- it counts up to eleven on one page- but she makes a lot of good points.
Other favorite counting books in our house are Sandra Boynton's "Doggies" and "Zin Zin Zin a Violin". It's a shame they're less popular than math workbooks.
She didn't include the majors that don't involve math, yet make over 100k. Felt like that was a bit biased. Just because you don't prefer math, and you're not good at it, isn't the end of the world. This woman is shaming those who do not like the subject, and she's lightly referring that they are not successful. Not a good way to uplift others if you're bringing down those who see differently.
if she's shaming anyone is the bad high school teachers that make kids develop math anxiety. At my school we have very good math teachers and even if kids weren't particularly passionate about maths, they did understand what was happening in classes so they never developed such anxiety and went on to study medicine, law, graphic design etc.. But unlike most people on the planet, they will not be the ones saying stuff like: oh I HATED maths, I'm really bad at maths, or my brain just works differently etc.. ending up shaming people who do try to persue maths further in life. Basically exactly the opposite of what you're saying! math students get discriminated for their choice, not the other way around. Math is hard work, not talent, and like any other hard work if you're left at your devices with no proper support, you will not get the results that will make you like what you're doing. I personally do struggle a lot at my undergrads maths courses because I do learn differently and it's hard to find someone who will explain stuff to me in a way that my brain can also understand it properly. I also tutor at times and if the "student" doesn't understand what's happening, I assume it's my fault for not explaining it properly, rather than that the student is too dumb to understand it, because if I can understand something, anyone can understand it, perhaps not by the same means, but therein lies the art of teaching! finding the means that would bring that student from point A to point B.
@whizkid ...You can get me on facebook if and when you need help with math.Cause sometimes u don't find the right clips here to help you and i've had my fair share of frustration in the past.
Great stuff!!!
Could someone please point me to the study Overdeck cites near the beginning? The one that has women do worse at math tests if they assert their gender before taking it.
I'm really sad that this video isn't getting the appropriate amount of views! there are to many videos that do nothing to further society in a positive way that get thousands of views and this video which could in theory shape a mind set for women in the future only has 2000 views. I've shared the video if you really care about what she's saying share the video
great stuff
"Don't be so pathetic; divide by 5 and that's the tip" That's a heartless thing to say to a dyscalculic. She didn't cover all the details and is acting as if women choose to put math aside.. Science proves that more women suffer from dyscalculia than men. That's a pretty legit reason to be afraid of math. I know all about it because I'm a woman with dyscalculia.
Also the her statement that nobody says something like "I'm not so good at reading" is also wrong. My father is very dyslexic and can't read or spell the simplest words in the vocabulary. She really should've thought about what she is saying before talking in public and on the internet like that..
NetSurfingNightOwl Do you have a source saying there are more women than men with dyscalculia? Every thing I have read has said the was no gender divide.
Sorry hit by accident
it really isnt, dyscalculia is a **mental disorder**, she is speaking to average people that think they are below average without good reason, not to people that actually have a disorder, it would be similar to interpreting this as being a heartless thing to say to a brain dead person, they are a select few
This was a very interesting talk, somewhere between telling as it is and giving a pep-talk. I'd say a much needed one.
She's right: a lot of what handicaps girls and women doing maths comes from both stereotypes and rôle models, which is definitely worrying. When I taught remedial GCSE maths in the UK, we had a lot of young women and girls in the class. Do the have a higher incidence of dyscalculia? No! They just end up with the wrong attitudes being demonstrated to them, for the most part. ->
My company sells tea for $0.99 or 2 for $2. Lmao
I was taught how to read, write, spell, I read before I started school! “They “never taught me math. I’m the baby of 5 , and the only girl.
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Gender stereotyping is problematic in education for anything, but especially so for maths. And so is the modelling of maths as being 'too hard for girls' - by anyone, not just mothers and teachers.
Only way forward: positive engagement with maths. Willingness to make mistakes and learn why they were mistakes. And then make them much less often. Maths is not a torture system: it's a language, and a toolkit, for describing problems and solving them. Nothing more, nothing less.
Wow, great presenter, really great!
Math songs are fun.
I got math anxiety. I liked the speech, (because i experienced the same as a child) until the 16 min, where she started to say that "its not that hard! just divide by five...." then i got mad. I would never do math public, i almost get panic attacks. People reactions when i need paper to figure out "easy" math problem is just too much to handle. So no i will not divide by five.
If something is for boys why can't you just let go, you could also say why there are no boys in cosmetology class....
Addition, subtraction, division, probability, geometry etc is useful but algebra, calculus, integration etc are useless and the worst thing ever taught by teachers.
Hey EMAHS - actually "Not" -- next time check Wikipedia first. Algebra is essential for many simple finance calculations and in everyday life: paying off your mortgage, paying off credit cards, calculating the time of your travel on a trip, etc. Calculus is essential for many engineering, science, and finance/economics careers (not so essential elsewhere). - cheers
Actually.
calculus and beyond arent very useful for your random everyday person, but for example this woman's wife, John Overdeck is the founder of two sigma and a billionaire, of course, he used math to do this, he scored a silver medal in the international math olympiad so he had the mathematical ability to create good models. but even for a random person, you do need basic algebra