Does Microcosm Really Cook? (It Might Be Actually Broken)
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- Does Microcosm Really Cook? (It Might Be Actually Broken)
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Boss tier subjugators always have a "shield", so Microcosm absolutely deletes them, very useful during the dual destiny mission
Dude, I was shocked to see the boss bars vanish on Dual Destiny.
Wait what kinda shield?
it also melts tormentors
@@jaygei_2641stasis shield on stasis subjugator, strand on strand
@@jaygei_2641they act like they have a strand/stasis shield so micro and any strand/stasis weapon will do bonus damage
No one cares about gambit but microcosm is the new braindead meta invader weapon. Literally microwaves people from across the map with no effort.
I love microwave
is it really easier than bodyshotting with izanagi since that takes special ammo?
"Literally microwaves people" made me laugh more than I care to admit.
@@dankerbellless flinch so yes, much easier
still hunt might be better just cause it also is genuinely good for damage on the primeval if you swap to nighthawk on hunter at least
"It doesn't have high DPS, but for some reason it feels like it cooks outside raids." Its because it is a machine gun. Its a machine gun that looks like a trace rifle. That is its role.
That is a good way to look at it
Does it count as a machine gun for Actium War Rig ?
@@readyforlolThey’re comparing the play style that it incites to a machine gun… not that it’s actually a machine gun. Obvi it won’t work with Actium
@@readyforlol No, he's saying it should be treated in playstyle as a machine gun. If you want to run it like Actium War Rig, you'd need to use Cenotaph as that has the autofill Actium has, but for Traces
@@readyforlol No, I'm not saying it is literally a machine gun, but it serves the same role as a machine gun.
It still retains the 15% buff to anything except bosses because it's kinetic. They nerfed kinetics vs bosses with the patch, but left it for everything else
It is just bosses or also champions/mini bosses?
@@chungusultimatestrictly bosses
15% is specials
10% is primaries
Heavies is unconfirmed
incorrect, it is bonus 10% for primaries, 15% for specials, but given there is no value listed for heavies it likely doesn't have the increase in damage
Are you not getting primaries confused with kinetic?
Kinetics still get bonus damage on every tier of enemy except for bosses. This was a change in final shape. Which with this weapon I can see why.
true lmao, imagine the new dps meta is a microwave, and with arou d 120k dps and 3.6 million damage if this thing didn't get nerfed and with no incentive to land all crits, this thing would kill whisper
Didn't they entirely remove that in this dlc? I swear they mentioned that for the patch notes for TFS
nvm...
Makes sense. Nerf an entire weapon type because of 1 new weapon. Instead of properly balancing the game
@@justifano7046, what other knetic weapon were you using against bosses outside of supremacy?
Well duh it's not gonna be good against The Witness, dude took no damage from the significantly bigger paracasual beam during Lightfall's opening.
Well we did end up finishing the kill with a giant microcosm beam
the witness, same as all tormentors and subjugators always count as shielded which increase the damage by quite a bit, so it actually cooks quite a bit on rthe witness
Isn't it about just a smidge weaker than Whisper?
It’s actually viable against Witness. On my Titan I threw axes, then just beamed it with Microcosm and 3x Kinetic surges, hit 4.5 million across two phases.
5:10 remember that if the surge maches your subclass energy kinetics do recieve the bonus of said 25% if im not mistaken
Yeah this is actually a big pro instead of a con. You will always have the surge bonus as long as your subclass matches one of the surges. Or your super, I guess, if you are on Prismatic.
doesn't apply to raids and dungeons since those don't have the "overcharged weapons" modifier, which is the one that boosts kinetics if u match your super with the surges
Do you remember when this change was added? I can’t find it in any of the Final Shape notes
@@TeeBeeVOcame out in defiance
@@djwhyteryce3368 Thank you!
"Uh, that's how guns work" - Love it.
There seems to be a lot of people incorrect in the comments. The Overcharged Weapons modifier is what provides kinetic weapons a damage buff when your Super matches one of the surges. Surges can be active in activities without the overcharged weapons mod (like the raid) and therefore, kinetic weapons would not get that buff. For things like nightfall, overcharged weapons are active and getting the damage boost is possible.
If your super matches the surge, then the surge applies to kinetic weapons.
only when the overcharge weapons modifier is active, you can check that when u look at nightfalls
@@bilbo9730 Unless it's changed with Final Shape, overcharge wasn't needed. Currently unable to test until later tonight
@@VanpyroGaming0 i think he is talking about where that option is. I believe "Matching super with elemental surge also surges your kinetic weapon" thingy was part of the overcharge weapons modifier, not the elemental surges.
@@VanpyroGaming0 watch the "Threats, Surges and Overcharged Explained" from itzTizzle
it has always worked the same way
@@sailpark124 It's never been that way before. Again, can't test to confirm till later
def my most fav weapon this season, i gotta say that first 40 bullets or so feels like a good trace and after 40 bullets it suddenly MELTS EVERYTHIN IN THE GAME for some weird reason
I think it's a bug like the dmg for the first 40 takes a second to load in it happens to me 2
@@taydoyle8780 shhhhhh it aint a bug, it works exactly as itended brotha
Working as intended, indeed
Well, Trace Rifles did receive a 20% buff on top of the base damage increase…
Lots of folks think it's the intrinsic kinetic damage. Which is probably invalid because I'm guessing heavies don't get that. Your statement on traces getting that 20% buff on non-boss makes way more sense
It's like a REALLY strong Heavy Machine Gun. It also gets the bonus damage against Dread enemies, which helps a lot in Pale Heart activities or even the seasonal activity since there's a Tormentor boss.
its really not that good.... especially considering that you're giving up an exotic slot, youre better off just using commemoration or any other decent machine gun
@@andrewberger3110 people are running triple legendary loadouts this season bc legendaries are so strong.
@@superbob24 have u heard of sunshot? grav lance? still hunt? navigator? i could go on but the point is if youre running triple legendary you just suck at making loadouts
@@superbob24 only time i could ever see triple legendary be viable would be lucky pants hunter with a rocket sidearm and eager sword
@@andrewberger3110 It's better than like 99% of the exotic heavies. The only exotic heavies that see much use are arguably Whisper and Ghorn and one of those isn't because of its damage. It basically 1-2 phases every raid boss in the game consistently making it a better Tlord as most one phases require a lot of set up. Also down below you mention Sunshot, Grav, Sill Hunt, and Navigator let me reply to each
Sunshot is still good but after the nerf the explosion doesn't do nearly as much as it once did same with Grav both start falling off in higher end content and likely won't even be viable in Master/GM content like they used to be
Still hunt is great....For hunters. For Titans and Warlocks its okay it deals a lot but its too slow to be meta defining like it is on Hunters who basically get an extra celestial nighthawk shot while Titans and Warlocks get a slightly better Izi.
Navigator fills a completely different role from most weapons its dps, ad clearing, and burst are pretty meh but its a powerful support weapon and great for Titans who are doing solo dungeons
Just PSA to everyone: kinetic weapons CAN get the surge as long as your super (or subclass element) MATCH the surge and the modifier “over charged weapons” is on.. you can hover over it and it says kinetics will be “surged” as long as your subclass or super match
Almost exclusive to nightfalls
I feel like "Overcharged Weapon" modifier should be anywhere any surges are, but whatever
this thing cooks with disruption break
Imagin that's the catalyst
COOKS BRO. COOKS
Damnnnn didn’t even think of that
Well tbh doesn't disruption break reload the weapon when it breaks a shield? It does extra dmg to shields, so it's probably only gonna have used a couple bullets to break the shield. Idk if disruption is what I want cuz it will only load like 5-8 bullets. I would love a target lock catalyst
@@dailycloudgaming5144you’re thinking of the perk genesis. Disruption break gives kinetic weapons a 50% buff for 5 seconds after breaking a shield.
The main advantage I see to this thing is its forgiving nature for dps. If you miss shots on whisper or rockets, your dps decrease is significant. But the microcosm beam has no travel time, and each individual damage instance is less important, so missing a couple of criteria doesn't mean having to reload. Its condition for achieving its damage increase also isn't that contrived. Just pop goldy or thundercrash, or, well and boom, damage. It's a really safe weapon to dps with super consistent numbers. That, to me, is the main advantage of the weapon. Sort of like how people used thunderlord for a while on nezzy because less could go wrong.
5:53 this man’s way too lucky for his own good
It feels like it fits better as a really strong MG to me.
- Great total damage and reserves (like an MG)
- high DPS for an MG
- Kinetic Damage bonus versus Non-boss enemies
- Strips shields and deletes Subjugators due to shield interactions
- built-in thresh
- long lasting but infrequent damage buff.
So yeah, I’m using it more like a LMG and it cooks when used like that.
Where are you getting built in tresh from
@majora919 he means for Prismatic, as Kinetic feeds both Light and Dark meters for Transcendent
@@majora919it gives bonus super energy on kill
@@majora919 did you see the video
@@Briggsian That isn't what he meant at all. He was talking about the bonus super from kills. What are you talking about?
If i'm not mistaken, the kinetic bonus damage doesn't apply for bosses, but apply for orange, red bars or mini bosses
That should still only be 15% though, it feels way stronger than that.
It's 15% for specials
10% for primaries
Heavies are unconfirmed
I kinda like it for the witness cause u don’t have to ads so you can see the blasts easier and you won’t blow yourself up cause someone strafed in front of you which is likely to happen there since you kinda have to move
It’s kinetic, those song of flame explosions are gonna go nuts
Kinetic weapons get surge bonus if your super matches the surge unless they changed that in TFS.
Came here to say that 😅
never worked that way, it's the overcharge weapons modifier that buff kinetics when you match your super
@@bilbo9730 Yes which is a 25% buff the same as surge
@@PineappleZach666 except it's not the same as a surge
Except its tied to overcharge modifier @@PineappleZach666
Oh yeah, one more thing, it actually absolutely should cook any type of boss where you have to break a shield initially, espeically talking about the Ghosts of the Deep bosses, as you can have one person on Arbalest, which will grant you a 50% buff due to Disruption Break.
I think a big bonus is that you are in full control of the entire damage. Rockets can be over kill or some things just chunk but with the RPM it’s so easy to stop when you’ve done enough damage.
Your maths at the beginning of the video is off. The bonus damage against shields is 250%, not 25%.
The reason it feels like it deals massive damage is that several enemies, including subjugators and the witness, are coded as having a permanent shield (for subjugators this is to give them DR against non matched damage) so microcosm gets the 2.5x increase against them.
that's true, but it's also true that kinetic weapons do just deal more damage against non-boss enemies, which would explain the melting
@@pioneershark2230it wouldn't, the bonus damage is so low that it would not change that much. Even if it were a 50% increase (it's not) that's is 5x less of a boost than what microcosm does
@@HajileMalach a 15% boost isn't a small boost in damage, and as shown in the video he was melting non-dread units, meaning that the cause can't be fully explained by the dread shield damage increase
I've also found myself using no exotic weapons a lot so far in the final shape
Remember that if your super matches the active surge, your kinetic weapons get the surge buff as well.
something i dont see people mention is that when multiple people use it it seems to stack in damage effective ness. 2 people with surge deletes mini bosses in seconds.
I've been using it in place of MGs. It bursts through elites and has a decent reserve size.
Its because its the first heavy kinetic weapon, so it got nerfed vs bosses but it utterly ruins everything else. Also you can still get surges on it, it just depends on your super
Correct me if I'm wrong, but kinetic weapons will always receive the 25% damage bonus if you’re playing on a subclass that matches one of the Surges.
when final shape launched, they removed the bonus damage kinetic weapons did to bosses but not majors, ultras or minors. So it being a kinetic weapon, it gets those bonuses still. Thats likely why it shreds in general play but not bosses.
Who would have thought that putting a special weapon archetype in the heavy slot would be good for non-boss encounters.
Unless it is bugged or something, kinetic weapons are supposed to get the benefits of a surge modifier if your subclass matches the surge.
people forget kinetics get the surge (25%) bonus if your super matches a surge
I really think giving it a catalyst that gives it the perk osmosis or permiability would be great. Being able to use a grenade or class ability to match it to your grenade or super elemental type would give it that ability to recieve those surge buffs. Simple catalyst but would tremendously increase its potential
It's gimmick is being kinetic and you want it to have osmosis or permeability?
That's a very hot take
@@jacob-2271 it would still be kinetic but you could choose to change its dmg type if you wanted. It’s for buildcrafting I don’t know how it’s a hot take. They are also 2 of the most niche perks. Osmosis was so underused it needed a “new” perk that does the same exact thing but using a class ability instead.
Fun fact for those saying it's like a super up machine gun, when you get the invisible weapon glitch it literally turns into a machine gun
watching ehroar realize that health bars dont correlate directly to damage and have a stroke was good
In Onslaught, it definitely cooks when Trace Rifle is the overcharged weapon.
Kinetic weapons DO get surge modifiers IF your subclass (or super for prismatic?) matches the currently active surge!
Micro doesn’t do as much as whisper but micro has the luxury of moving while shooting, which you can’t do with whisper. Especially for the witness encounter when you constantly have to move, micro will do better with damage output
If I remember correctly, kinetic weapons take advantage of the active surge if your subclass matches the surge. Or I think that may have been how it was in the past? Idk
It does have a bonus to minors and majors, it's kinetic. Kinetic weapons do extra damage to those enemies. They just removed the bonus damage from bosses.
Kinetic weapons do get surge bonuses when your subclass matches one of the surges. So if you're on solar surge, running well or song of flame should give your kinetic weapons the bonus. Just a small correction for future comparisons of kinetic weapons.
I believe it DOES have some sort of hidden damage boost against Tormentors and Subjugators, though I can't give you a specific reason why that's the case. The Subjugators always take increased damage to their own element at least so it might have something to do with that at least but idk why that's the case for Tormentors, unless they take bonus damage to void or kinetic specifically maybe?
I thought you got a ‘kinetic’ surge in activities where surges are active, as long as your subclass matches the surge modifier
Kinetics overpower when super matches the activity's surge.
This thing allows for Super --> Heavy damage --> 2nd super if you can pair with things like Shards of Galanor.
I ran the dual destiny mission with my buddy who was also rocking this exotic and let me tell you this thing absolutely obliterates any tormentors/subjugators
this thing became one of my favorite heavy weapons its basically if you took one of Rheinmetall's prototype particle beam weapons you would see on ships and tanks and made it a portable weapon it just bores through anything you point it at.
Due to how Dread enemies work, like Tormentors and Subjugators, it actually does more damage to them, since it bypasses their DR
"Is this gun meta? Maybe it is"
Looks inside
Its worse than every other exotic heavy option in both ease of use abd damage, and some legendary options too.
"But not by that much"
Losing for a second is still losing mate
A lot of dope weapons this expansion
This thing against the ghosts of the deep bosses is amazing
Idk if you know but if you hit subjugators with the matching element type they're using (so if it's using stasis using a stasis weapon) you'll do bonus damage... maybe that has something to do with it because micro does bonus to shields 🤔 maybe overthinking it
I've seen several people in the comments state this as fact, so you may be onto something.
Seems like an ad clear/mini boss weapon. Might be good for non boss encounters.
Another tip if you use hunters super squal paired with star eaters and galanor class item then facet of command. You will get insane boss dps while also never having to reload your weapon do to the facet of command, then your super is almost back instantly getting kills with microcosm and the benifit of galanor.
I could see a use for boss dps in dungeons like Ghost of the Deep, where all the bosses have a shield each time you start a dps phase
The two things you miss are surges in dungeons and raids do give kinetics the 25% buff IF you match your super/subclass with the activity surges and the reason why micro shreds everything because bungo removed the kinetic damage boost when dealing damage to bosses but still has the boost when damaging anything else.
This is wrong, you need overcharge weapons modifier to get the 25%
Ehroar, that's not true. Kinetic surges don't exist, but they said ages ago that, to counter that, your Kinetic weapons have the Surge damage if your subclass matches the surge.
It’s cooks with Cenotaph, but man does it chew through ammo, even without helmet, ceno helps so much
You do get surges on kinetic weapons, you receive surge for kinetic weapons when your super matches the surge
For the surge thing I should remind you that it says kinetic weapons gain the 25% buff if your super matches the surge type.
Kinetics do still benefit from activity surges if your subclass matches the surge no?
Also, the 15% dmg boost against unshielded enemies is still there, just not for bosses.
Lastly, for all intents and purposes, subjugators are coded to have stasis/strand elemental shields on at all times, so it makes sense for micro cook them with its dmg boost to shields, especially against non-boss ones (where the kinetic boost also applies)
Use Facet of Order (freezing or suppressing a target reloads your weapons) and you can use Bleak Watcher to freeze the boss, and never have to reload.
Weirdly enough, I liked using it against the witness since you can hip fire and see the attacks on the ground to make callouts. Very helpful in keeping my teammates alive and my damage wasn't too far off my teammates except the people using hunter with still hunt.
Microcosm is THE FIRST:
-heavy trace rifle
-kinetic heavy
-kinetic trace rifle
-heavy kinetic trace rifle
Subjugators get fried for them have a built in stasis/strand shield
Unless I'm mistaken, kinetic weapons still receive the surge buff as long as your subclass matches the surge
Ehroar, I also used it on Witness and had damage numbers inferior to my teammate, but we also very easily two phased it with no weakness buffs and only one hunter on Still Hunt, it's possible the weapon really is hitting harder than it shows and possibly even registers for boss damage on summary screen. Would be interesting to see 6 of them used against a raid boss, I'm wondering if this could be a high FPS thing just like 1k voices back in the day?
It would theoretically get surge benefits, if you match your subclass to the surges on an activity your kinetic weapons get the surge buff
This shield they mentioned here perhaps apply to DR. I wonder if it works well with Brigg too.
Kinetics actually get a buff if the surge matches your subclass. That's what boosts kinetics, so as long as you have a super that matches a surge, your kinetics will be buffed by 25%.
Bungie mentioned it aaaaaaages ago when they moved from singes to surges
This is wrong
Dont forget, using this during Song of Flame makes it build scorch!
I thought song of flame only buffs solar weapons?
@@YeastCorner It buffs solar and kinetic weapons
Too bad it's antisynergy because the damage bump only kicks in once your super ends
@@YeastCorner and kinetics
@@YeastCorner solar and kinetic, but the exotic perk on micro activates when super ends, so you're better off just using burst supers unless dps is really long
5:10 Did you perhaps forget that kinetic weapons get the surge damage boost if your equipped super matches a surge?
Been using it while I farm class item
It does in fact cook
I think it feels good because you shoot a beam, if a rocket needs 3 rockets to kill a major, but 2 rockets are close to the kill, microcosm would be quicker, same with gls, if you have to activate BnS then shoot 3/4 shots, you just beam until they die and never waste time/ammo
This thing deserves intrinsic anti barrier.
It just feels like it would be very fun in gm’s lmao
The Micro straight melts bosses
Kinetic weapons get the surge damage if your subclass element/super matches the surge. so you can get the surge bonus for this gun
If your subclass matches a surge, kinetic weapons deal 25% more damage. Microcosm basically ALWAYS has a surge active, it's just weird to play into for some classes. Pretty sure with prismatic it's just super that needs to match
This is wrong
@@slytheninja TWAB from february 21st 2023, "bringing challenge back to destiny" when they talk about surges and overcharged weapons. It's out there to read up on
turns out, this is only true for activities that have overcharge weapons active so i stand corrected and apologize for the misinfo
Fyi kinetic weapons benefit from surges anytime your subclass (or super on prismatic) matches the surge. So it actually can benefit from surges.
Am I seriously the only one to notice him casually being lucky and getting the exotic class item from a chest? lmao
If the word “cook” was removed from youtube comments and videos. TH-cam would be empty.
oh noo, old man doesn't like new vocabulary
okay boomer
@@atheon- cook is not new vocabulary.
Old man blames language for evolving
@@SlyRocko Lol (see what i did there) at 'evolving'. This is another silly little language fad that will be around for a few months, gets used as clickbait, and is then gone. Anyone remember 'pogchamp'? What about Pepe? Every time I see another come along I laugh, they're all just so....dumb.
Matching your subclass to the surge gives the buff to kinetic weapons
Unless they changed it or it doesn’t apply to heavy kinetics for some reason, bungie said surges will apply to any kinetic weapon if your subclass matches the surge. Yes I mean outside of listed weapons and champ mods. No I don’t know how this works with prismatic
I thought Kinetic Weapons could benefit from elemental surges if your subclass matched the active surge in an activity
If your subclass matches to the surge kinetic weapons get the boost to damage
As long as your super matches the surge, kinetic weapons get the surfer bonus so theoretically it always matches surge
Kinetic weapons become surged if your subclass matches one of the active surges. So this weapon could still be a W.
One rather big correction for the Vid. Surges in activities like Raids also effect Equipped Kinetics, if you match the element to your Super.
I love the new exotic skin for orisa, the arm gun design is fire 🔥
Subjugators and tormentors destroyed via the shield mechanic, for everything else Kinetic primary and special has intrinsic damage buff on anything that's not a boss. I'm curious if microcosm has an intrinsic buff. Bungie did not say it did but it's possible.
Several Million behind Teammates in a Raid doesn't mean sh*t anymore now with duoble Nighthawk Hunters
I think kinetics get "Surged" if you used a subclass with a matching surge. I believe i read that in game
onslaught has trace buff this week and it absolutely cooks the tormentors
Wasnt it a thing with surges that if you had a subclass matching the surge, it increased kinetic damage 25% ?
Did they change it at some point without me noticing?
I could be wrong but I believe that I'd your super energy matches the surge you still get the 25 % bonus damage to kinetic weapons
I could totally see myself swapping this into my mantle of battle harmony agers build. Agers is great but sometimes I need a diff utility weapon in that slot so having an exotic heavy option is low key kinda nice. Bonus points that it’s also the first heavy exotic that ties in super usage I believe.
Something people forget is that rockets and GLs really aren’t that effective against the big dread enemies compared to weapons that can deal crit damage. I personally would rather use this than a linear since those aren’t as forgiving if you miss some shots. Also traces did get a 20% buff against majors this season