Challenge accepted lol I’ve had the first book downloaded for years now but never gotten around to it. This all the motivation I needed! Peace and wholeness fam
I never got past book 4 or 5 (been so long I can't recall which I ended on). Weirdly, knowing it has a satisfying ending makes me more interested in finally going back and finishing it. *whips out library card*
This is especially great because it kind of mirrors Rands ending. She carefully constructed a situation to fake her own death and now she gets to live anonymous. The irony is she will live on not knowing that Rand did the same.
@@haplozetetic9519 Yeah pretty sure if Lews Therin was dead she would have known it instantly. And considering her abilities in dreaming, she'd be able to see his "light" easily, even though it's in a different body. She was able to find Rand in the first place because of her connection to his soul.
I know it's a bit non-sequitor, but if you want something 100% free and the closest I've ever seen to being comparably amazing, try the Wandering Inn. The largest fault I can put on it is just that the 1st book starts pretty slow, but the series is one massive snowball in terms of quality and grand scope.
It's just the perfect little nugget. Absolutely my favorite Forsaken and one of my favorite antagonists in fiction, having that ending confirmed is just... *chefs kiss*
I’ve missed this kind of content from you!!! It’s how I first found this channel. There’s so much clear, genuine love from you for this series. This felt like an O. G. video. Never stop doing WOT deep dives. Or deep dives into other worlds, series, or just random books you like that have stood the rest of time. 💜💜 I’m also weirdly glad she’s not dead. It always bothered me just a bit that Perrin could take her out on her home turf.
I spent 10 years DM'ing an online Wheel of Time roleplaying game with over 100 players, and got so immersed that I was almost fluent in the Old Tongue. And this Lanfear reveal completely slipped me by as well. Wow. Time to write some more WoT fanfiction!
I remember thinking it was a really anticlimactic end for her. I remember thinking it was weird that she didn’t even interact with Rand. But there were so many other things going on at the same time in that book, I was like, eh okay
I think the problem is that she is one of the forsaken and they have all been quite incompetent through the series so you go like: "yeah, I can see she making a dumb mistake and getting her neck twisted." at least that's what I told myself.
Yeah, something felt odd about it to me, too, but I never thought more of it. I’m reasonably certain that I never would’ve thought of this, though, even if I had started thinking about her “death” again.
It definitely felt rushed and a bit weird of an ending for an important character but I just put it down to a combination of poor understanding of the character and rushing her ending to try and tie up as many of the major loose threads as possible without the book being too long or needing an extra one.
I would love to see a sequel trilogy: Mat and Perrin going off to fix the Seanchan, Logain politicking with/against Cadsuane and maybe going south to the Mad Lands, Nynaeve reclaiming the borderlands, the Aiel reforming themselves, whatever is going on in Shara now, there's tons to cover!
Visiting the mad lands would be an interesting one as newer male channellers would not go insane, but seeing how they use the one power, and their attitudes, learning from the mad channellers and the whole nature/nurture impact of how they are raised
Add to that. Rand's kids vs Lanfear showdown! With a small cameo of dad at the end. Or better yet, her becoming a sort of Gandalf to their Frodo, going on adventures together. Lanfear trying to subtly influence their mindset and thinking in bad directions, but end up growing to truly care for them towards the end.
I really think we just need a book of all RJ's notes. I think that would satisfy most fans rather than having more books because then we can still deepdive into the world some more.
Tbh, Sanderson said back in 2020, that the three books that he wrote for the series were RJ's notes, combined with his writing, so you already have some of it.
I personally would like to know what bits of the last 3 books came from Jordan's notes and what bits Sanderson created on his own. Apart from finding it Interesting I think it would help me make sense of the books. Some of the things that happen just done seem very in keeping with Jordan and it drives me to distraction trying to wonder if I'm wrong or if Sanderson created those on his own
I remember when I got to Lanfears death in AMoL and I did think “huh that was it for Lanfear?” But I just assumed her ending was one of those things they didn’t have the notes to expand. This makes a lot more sense
I still haven’t read wheel of time (I KNOW, I KNOW!!) but I love watching videos of Daniel talking about it because he’s so passionate and talks about it in a way that makes want to get around to it faster.
As someone who literally started the Wheel of Time because of Daniel’s passion, I can 100% confirm his passion is justified. Read the whole series in four months and had a massive book depression afterwards haha
I know it's a bit non-sequitor, but if you want something 100% free and the closest I've ever seen to being comparably amazing to the Wheel, try the Wandering Inn. The largest fault I can put on it is just that the 1st book starts pretty slow, but the series is one massive snowball in terms of quality and grand scope. If money's an object, free's a great price.
Lanfear's death always made sense to me because her biggest character trait was always over-confidence. She thinks she's the best at everything but repeatedly loses because she underestimates those around her. Especially when it comes to the world of dreams, she claims to be the best but is repeatedly shown to be outclassed in the dream world
Same. Especially because the compulsion didn't even fail, Perrin just killed her in spite of it through sheer willpower and was left with lifelong trauma as a result. Really didn't read like something she had planned for.
I just kept waiting for that final scene when Selene would show up and give us all a final wink before also disappearing into the night. Glad it wasn't just a dream
I love how the books end in such a clean way but also so open-ended. Sanderson and Jordan left the gates wide open for readers to imagine what happens after the end, and for a series the describes such a living, breathing world, with characters in it, the end of the character's stories doesn't feel like the end of the world. Randland lives on in our hearts and minds.
If you ever find yourself in the realm of Dream (of the Endless), be sure to check out his library, where you will find every story never written, including the sequel to the WoT.
I think it is worth mentioning that Perrin is far from stupid. Quick witted and clever? No that would be Matt. But he is a deep thinker. In this hypothetical future series as his mastery of the world of dreams grows he MIGHT guess at the possibility. But Lanfear could just avoid him for 60 or so years.
We're told this (Perrin's slow to speak/react, but he's not stupid) many times during the series, but I can't actually remember any examples of Perrin being notably intelligent.
Hey lsdeann, it’s been a minute since I’ve read though the books but I think the battle of Malden and the fork root tea plan is a good example. Wasn’t the plan where Rand throws him across the room his too? So he could go look for the prophet?
End scene in the WoT-series. ******* Rand on farm. Camera pans out. wobble wobble, goes to Tel'aran'rhiod. A familiar siluette just walks around a corner and disappears. Que credits.
"daughter of the night" & "Lord of the morning" Both are the strongest in OP with respect to their gender (before she gets drained), one opens the bore and the other seals it
It makes sense, that scene always sat funny with me! Really glad to have it confirmed by Brandon that the awesomely powerful female character didn't get dumbed down to prop up a dude to look more cool. As much as I love Perrin. Of course Mat called it, super WoT genius as he is. 💗 Also Lanfear Hamster OMG gave me a good laugh. You know if you want you can use my art Daniel 🤣 Though the hamster is epicly funny. As always, love your videos and your sense of humor. Hope this does get more people to read WoT.
I love that Daniel as excited as I am about wheel of time. It just makes me more excited. I finished my 10th reread last year(audiobook) and now I just want to do it again.
WOT: The gift that keeps on giving. So glad I found your channel a few years ago and bit the bullet at your suggestion on WOT. It has lead me down a a trail of awesome. From WOT to the Cosmere and back again. Nothing useful to say. Anyone who hasn't read WOT yet, do it. When you hit the lull in the middle, keep going. You'll thank us later.
Lanfear menacing the new world peace of the dragon, Androl and Pevara's adventures towards stopping her would be a great spinoff, but nobody could write it like Jordan
Wow this is great, like you Daniel, I got bamboozled thinking "well there goes Lanfear". Brandon Sanderson is freaking legend though, that was great of him. WoT changed my life, I remember reading the eye of the world as a teenager in 1994 and it blew me away. After I started reading the books I tried to convert all my friends to the WoT books and to this day I recommend it to people all the time.
It's definitely fun to take this sort of stuff and make up your own head cannon on what happens in the years to come after the series ends. There's a lot of surviving heroes who I'm sure go on to do many more legendary feats in their life. Personally, I'd love to imagine that Forsaken resurfacing in a century after rebuilding her power base to ultimately be confronted by the Queen of Malkier.
(I should precede my comment by saying that Brandon Sanderson did a wonderful job finishing the Wheel of time, and I appreciate the effort he put into it.) I think one thing that contributed to many fans not catching this is the fact that the feel of several characters changed between books 11 and 12 (especially Mat). There was a noticeable difference in the prose as well, so Lanfear acting out of character just sort of blended in with everything else. It's possible that there are more secrets we overlooked because we attributed them to Sanderson not having as much experience with writing as he does today, and I anticipate watching out for them in a future re-read.
I don’t think this was due to lack of writing experience, moreso the fact that it’s a different author writing already existing characters. That’s a tall ask for any writer to come in and fit smoothly into an 11 book series
Absolutely. Robert Jordan also did his pre-writing differently than Sanderson, and I'm sure that many details were kept in his head and never made it into the notes he left behind.
I explicitly remember reading Memory of Light for the first time and thinking that Lanfear’s ending was unsatisfying and didn’t make sense, but I also thought the same thing for Padan Fain’s end and there’s no twist on that one. I just chalked it up to Sanderson having to have her do something and Jordan didn’t leave much for him to work with. Even before Sanderson took over the Forsaken had been caught in this weird limbo of being super powerful and dangerous but also not so competent as to actually get much done. Her ending as presented on face value matches the pattern already set, so I liked the reveal that actually there was a deeper plot much more aligned with how the Forsaken are talked about.
I think something we can all appreciate is that Sanderson did everything possible to tell Jordan’s story rather than his own. That kind of humility is rare and admirable.
@@fakjbf3129 I have only finished book 3 (and do not plan on continuing), why are the forsaken considered formidable? Is it a case of the narration or lore informing us they are a BIG deal but always lose to the protagonists?
I loved this revelation. When I read her death I thought it was rushed and weak. I blamed it on them trying to get to the end. This makes the ending of the story so much better. I'm annoyed that I didn't come up with this as an option.
"Total victory for the light" Daniel you sweet summer child... Have you forgotten there can be no light without darkness ☯️ There are no beginnings or endings to the wheel. My God it's just poetry if she survives. Idea: Lanfear tries to influence Rands children or something
people say there is a slump somewhere in the middle of the series but for me the hardest to read was the first. It starts very LoTR and i'm just not a fan, add that it's always thought for me to get settled in a new world and book 1 was a bit of a chore. each passing book was better and better and the end is incredibly good, please give it another shot.
@@katlove8815 nice, can't say when it will click for you but i honestly can't see anyone for whom it wouldn't click at all. i had me interested all the way through but somewhere in book 3 is when i knew it was something special.
I know the reveal divided a lot of fans but I think its great. It's certainly something I never anticipated but I really think it fits thematically and the fact that Brandon was keeping this to himself for a decade is great. I can't wait to see what kind of nuggets like this we get in the cosmere decades from now
My theory... lanfear made herself cadsuane. That's why she was watching him at the end.. possibly lit his pipe too ;) and now she can take over the tower and still be the most powerful aes sedai
This actually completes her arc so much better. Her entire life it was her ambition for power that led to her greatest failures, her initial breakup with rand, freeing the dark one, screwing it up with rand again while also turning her back on the shadow alllll for power. Having her find salvation by accepting vanishing into obscurity is kinda perfect.
I would have never read WoT if it wasnt for you Daniel. So glad I found your channel, you have truly, single handedly brought me back to the amazing world of reading
First time I tried, I couldn't finish book 1. Second time I tried I stopped at some point in 4 or start of 5. . . . I only own up to 6 so I guess I need to get a few more books before I try again.
@@hallaloth3112 I know it's a bit non-sequitor, but if you want something 100% free and the closest I've ever seen to being comparably amazing, try the Wandering Inn. The largest fault I can put on it is just that the 1st book starts pretty slow, but the series is one massive snowball in terms of quality and grand scope. If money's an object, free's a pretty good price.
So, if Daniel doesn't want Sanderson to write new WOT books, and he doesn't want someone else to write new WOT books, the only options left are to either resurrect or clone Jordan and force him to write more, or for Daniel himself to write them himself.. But personally, I'd be absolutely OK with Sanderson writing more, since he did a hell of a job finishing the series.
Brandon's still got ~25 more years of his own stories and universe to write. Taking another year or two to sideline another WoT book would be neat, but not what we need from him. There could potentially be other authors up to the task (Brent Weeks and James Islington come to mind) but Brandon did his time and he did it well.
@@robbybevard8034 Ooh, I haven't heard of these authors before, but this comment is a hell of a recommendation! I think I'll have to check them out, thanks...
The feel when I’m just now reading WoT and am blowing through the Dragon Reborn… only to realize I must still read 12 books to be able to watch this video 😭
So Perrin, who shrugs off balefire as 'just weaves,' can only break out of compulsion if Lanfear lets him believe he's broken out of compulsion...thanks for clearing that up Sanderson...
At some point Perrin is going to figure it out. Nynaeve is going to find the compulsion sooner or later. It's just a matter of time. Opens it up for Mat and Perrin to have adventures chasing Lanfear and Moghedien...
Do yourself a favor and buckle down and finish the series. I tiptoed around spoilers for years, its worth it to finish and be able to engage in discussions. The WOT subreddit is really good for marking for spoilers so you can somewhat read threads and ask questions but sometimes people misremember and post spoilers
As a Curious B who is probably never going to read the series I'm happy for all y'all lore fiends getting this delicious little snack. I love when things I'm passionate about get that so good for you guys.
But Moridin had Lanfear's cour'souvra on a necklace. And since Rand switched bodies with Moridin, Lanfear is still kind of screwed. Even if Lanfear's cour'souvra is lost, she's kind of screwed since if it shatters, she becomes a mindless puppet.
Dude. Your videos are just ear candy. Your writing is so great and your delivery is, ugh, so fucking good. keep on keeping on dude. imma watch it again now.
I imagine her just living in the dream world influencing others with slight touches over hundreds of years. Maybe we will get more of her when the TV series finishes up.
That series is definitely going to be c cancelled before then. Firstly because it's rare a series would run the 10+ season they would need, and secondly because they have made it awful
ça fait plaisir de te revoir parler de la Roue du Temps ! l'info est succulente et donne envie de relire toute la fin de la série pour vérifier tout ça soit même ! Ça tombe bien le dernier tome de la série est enfin disponible en Français depuis l'année dernier (avec seulement 10 ans de retard sur la sortie en anglais...)
I watched this reveal when it was live-streamed and was really blown away. I also felt that her ending made no real sense but just chalked it up to another writer taking over the property of another. But thinking back on it now after I've re-read Memory of Light a couple more times, I see it better as I'm also more familiar with Brandon's other works as WoT helped introduce me to him more. I honestly felt that there should have been more main character deaths, maybe one of the main three, I didn't like how they constantly did fake-outs on deaths which kind of lost their real weight in my opinion, but WoT is still my favorite fantasy book series, second to Joe Abercrombie series, and how Stormlight is shaping up.
As another Wheel of Time fan, who also found your channel through related videos, I agree that this is a very nostalgic bit of media. For me, I so want more novels. I understand that reluctance, and I appreciate where it comes from, but I think that there is still too much which can be said within this world, And I want to read it.
Separated from the power of the Dark One she is now mortal again. Depending on how that works she only has so long to live to mess things up anyways. If she still gets the several hundred years of a powerful channeler then she would pop back up again. Her tragic flaw is the need for prestige so hiding is not something she would do long term.
Thank you Daniel for how well you have discussed this topic in the Wheel of Time. I'm currently getting ready to read the 3rd book, and I love light spoilers. You were able to make me feel like I have 'insider knowledge' while at the same time not completely spoiling the entire series. Thank you.
Now the question is: does Lanfear think that Rand is alive? Brandon said she's the 2md most powerful person, and she knows it, but if she thinks Rand is dead, she thinks she's the most powerful person around and that could cause some issues for everyone around her
@@Selfamused SPOILER Rand no longer has access to Saidin. He has... something else. What exactly that is, is unclear, intentionally so. We just saw him light a pipe with it. It's possible he has direct access to the pattern now, powers comparable to what the Dark One had. No one knows since Jordan never told anyone, and even Sanderson can only speculate..
Brandon's still got ~25 more years of his own stories and universe to write. Taking another year or two to sideline another WoT book would be neat, but not what we need from him. There could potentially be other authors up to the task (Brent Weeks and James Islington come to mind) but Brandon did his time.
@@robbybevard8034 IMO WoT is done and should stay that way. I see adding entries on any series as a series of escalating bets, if one doesn't pay off you lost the whole thing. we are 15 in... i say we take the winnings home. Also agree on Sanderson doing something else. need more stormlight, but honestly I will read anything he puts out at this point.
@@nucphyschem1 If another book was published I would read it no question, but I have 2 arguments against it. the first I mentioned, too much risk of ruining the series. The second is that I think that if everything is shown it will lose a bit of it's magic. a big part of WoT is facts becoming history, history becoming legend and legend being so old that is just a fuzzy myth. If everything is crystal clear you lose a lot of that sense of wonder.
@@damp2269 I understand what you are saying that's why I'm saying you don't write the book in relation to the main series but expand the universe ie the war of power and about the hall of servants and such. The research on traveling etc would super interesting. Nothing to do with the mainline series
I would absolutely love to watch this but I’m only on book 2. But I will be back eventually. In the mean time I would like to thank you for turning me toward this series 2 years ago!!
I totally appreciate the respect Sanderson has for legend that is Robert Jordan and not wanting "takeover" that world. The WOT is Robert Jordan's baby/creation and always will be. At the same time though, Robert Jordan isn't with us anymore and like in so many fantasy series, there comes a time where the "mantle" is passed on to another to carry on in their stead. I can't think of anyone better than Brandon Sanderson. Buuut I also am terrified it could go badly somehow too so yeah, mixed feelings. LOL
I just want a book about the 4th era so bad. I want to know about everyone after the last Battle. The Girls finding Rand, Perrin leading two rivers, mat surviving tuon somehow, cadsuane as an amyrlin and logain leading the black tower. I also don't want a new book, but fuck, you still got out there the most powerfull ta'veren that ever existed, husband of 3 really important women, I'm pretty sure even his farm Life would be pretty much hype. Oh, and I need a reunion with Tam. Fuck.
Daniel, I started reading (or rather listening to the audiobooks) the Wheel of Time while I'm at work. I listen to like a good 5-7 hours each day and I've already finished the first two books and I'm about a third of the way through The Dragon Reborn. I'm so intrigued by the series. I can't watch this video because I just started reading it last month XD
I think a good compromise for more wheel of time isn't another book, but a collection of short stories about new events and inventions in the world and the rumors about Rand and Lanfear who are still roaming about.
I finally finished listening to the audio books a couple days ago. The ending was great, but I just want MORE. There's so much of the WoT world that I wish we got to explore more.
When Perrin defeated Lanfear i had no issues with it, he was ta'veren and that was always a huge advantage. Matts whole existence depended upon it working in his favor(eventually). it always bothered me that slayer could avoid him so easily, i expected the ta'veren to kick in at some stage but it never did.
I'm a WoT fan because of Daniel. Homie this video had GREAT energy! Anyone can really tell how passionate you are about this series and how much fun you had making this video. Excellent content my guy 👍
So ... how much time does our gal Lanfear have left? After all, she must have spent at least a few centuries during the AoL learning the dream world, becoming famous, not earning a third name, etc. And now that the Dark One is locked up, she doesn't have access to life extension therapies.
It depends on the physical age of her new body, assuming it's that of a young woman she's got 700+yrs, the Eelfinn only had time to drain a small portion of her channelling ability. The one thing I don't really understand is the meaning behind she being the only silver-haired character in the series, I can get why DO put her in a short body because she was proud of her height.
I know in the long history of literature, WoT does not rank up there, but as someone who started reading in the early 1990’s, there is no series I love more. Every time I read it I get a rush of nostalgia. It makes me happy, and it’s definitely my comfort food.
Imma laugh if this video convinces someone to read the series.
I think it literally convinced me to honestly lol. I feel like I’m outta the loop!
Challenge accepted lol I’ve had the first book downloaded for years now but never gotten around to it. This all the motivation I needed!
Peace and wholeness fam
I have the first book on the shelf. I guess I better get started. :)
I never got past book 4 or 5 (been so long I can't recall which I ended on). Weirdly, knowing it has a satisfying ending makes me more interested in finally going back and finishing it. *whips out library card*
Lol, you convinced me to re-read it for a 3rd time
Something strangely nostalgic about Daniel posting new wheel of time videos since it’s the way I found the channel a few years back 😂
It’s been too long 😢
Damn, I was in the car showroom, fairly new to fantasy, and i found his eye of the world review that day.
Aargh, not so long ago, but still memories..
SAME
Snapsies! Seems no time ago but it's probably actually five or six years?!
Same here!
There's no better energy than Daniel talking about a series he truly loves.
I LOVE EPISODES OF DANIEL TALKS ABOUT WHEEL OF TIME STUFF BECAUSE ITS SACRED :))))
Unless he's talking about the Amazon TV show then he's a total schill
@@geography_guy335 🤡
I'm now going to imagine Lanfear as a devious hamster for the rest of my reading of the series
This is especially great because it kind of mirrors Rands ending. She carefully constructed a situation to fake her own death and now she gets to live anonymous. The irony is she will live on not knowing that Rand did the same.
Damn. You’re right.
Great point!
I wouldn't be too sure. If anyone could figure it out, it would be Lanfear. On the other hand, maybe she really doesn't care anymore.
@@haplozetetic9519 Yeah pretty sure if Lews Therin was dead she would have known it instantly. And considering her abilities in dreaming, she'd be able to see his "light" easily, even though it's in a different body. She was able to find Rand in the first place because of her connection to his soul.
@@Kelnx Agreed. Rand was also able to tell it was her in the body of Cyndane.
Love the hamster Forsaken. They're so cute! 😍
This. This is the content I watch this channel for. I’ve been wanting to do a re-read for a bit, and this makes that urge SO much stronger! ❤️
Do it. Do it for Loial
I know it's a bit non-sequitor, but if you want something 100% free and the closest I've ever seen to being comparably amazing, try the Wandering Inn. The largest fault I can put on it is just that the 1st book starts pretty slow, but the series is one massive snowball in terms of quality and grand scope.
It's just the perfect little nugget. Absolutely my favorite Forsaken and one of my favorite antagonists in fiction, having that ending confirmed is just... *chefs kiss*
As a Lanfear apologist I have been screaming about that scene since I read it, my queen did not go down that easy
Our queen.
@@musicisfree91 The impossibly rare communist-monarchist spotted in the wild.
I’ve missed this kind of content from you!!! It’s how I first found this channel. There’s so much clear, genuine love from you for this series. This felt like an O. G. video. Never stop doing WOT deep dives. Or deep dives into other worlds, series, or just random books you like that have stood the rest of time. 💜💜 I’m also weirdly glad she’s not dead. It always bothered me just a bit that Perrin could take her out on her home turf.
I spent 10 years DM'ing an online Wheel of Time roleplaying game with over 100 players, and got so immersed that I was almost fluent in the Old Tongue. And this Lanfear reveal completely slipped me by as well. Wow.
Time to write some more WoT fanfiction!
I just had a powerful flashback to making a fool of myself the first time I logged in Tales of Ta'veren II
Forsaken as hamsters just made my day I can't stop laughing! This is also my favorite story ever and I really enjoy your videos about these books :)
I'm now picturing them all in the music video the Hamster Dance 😂
I remember thinking it was a really anticlimactic end for her. I remember thinking it was weird that she didn’t even interact with Rand. But there were so many other things going on at the same time in that book, I was like, eh okay
I think the problem is that she is one of the forsaken and they have all been quite incompetent through the series so you go like: "yeah, I can see she making a dumb mistake and getting her neck twisted." at least that's what I told myself.
Yeah, something felt odd about it to me, too, but I never thought more of it. I’m reasonably certain that I never would’ve thought of this, though, even if I had started thinking about her “death” again.
It definitely felt rushed and a bit weird of an ending for an important character but I just put it down to a combination of poor understanding of the character and rushing her ending to try and tie up as many of the major loose threads as possible without the book being too long or needing an extra one.
same honestly
I mean... the first time she died was because she got pushed through a door.
I would love to see a sequel trilogy: Mat and Perrin going off to fix the Seanchan, Logain politicking with/against Cadsuane and maybe going south to the Mad Lands, Nynaeve reclaiming the borderlands, the Aiel reforming themselves, whatever is going on in Shara now, there's tons to cover!
yes
Visiting the mad lands would be an interesting one as newer male channellers would not go insane, but seeing how they use the one power, and their attitudes, learning from the mad channellers and the whole nature/nurture impact of how they are raised
Add to that. Rand's kids vs Lanfear showdown! With a small cameo of dad at the end. Or better yet, her becoming a sort of Gandalf to their Frodo, going on adventures together. Lanfear trying to subtly influence their mindset and thinking in bad directions, but end up growing to truly care for them towards the end.
Please god no
Ok want to see tam and Rand meet again
I really think we just need a book of all RJ's notes. I think that would satisfy most fans rather than having more books because then we can still deepdive into the world some more.
I get it but I want some mysteries to stay that way so I don’t think I’d read it.
Tbh, Sanderson said back in 2020, that the three books that he wrote for the series were RJ's notes, combined with his writing, so you already have some of it.
@@victorlosadahernandez7125 true but i would like to see how ending would have been if sanderson hadn't decided to add deaths.
I personally would like to know what bits of the last 3 books came from Jordan's notes and what bits Sanderson created on his own.
Apart from finding it Interesting I think it would help me make sense of the books. Some of the things that happen just done seem very in keeping with Jordan and it drives me to distraction trying to wonder if I'm wrong or if Sanderson created those on his own
@@MaryaHach I don't suppose you have a link do you?
I don't really use reddit much but I've not been able to find anything
Daniel is so nice explaining it in a way I understand since I’m a curious bee who loves spoilers
I finished A Memory of Light on the 10th anniversary and now I can go and watch all of your WoT videos without fear of spoilers!! :D
I remember when I got to Lanfears death in AMoL and I did think “huh that was it for Lanfear?” But I just assumed her ending was one of those things they didn’t have the notes to expand. This makes a lot more sense
I still haven’t read wheel of time (I KNOW, I KNOW!!) but I love watching videos of Daniel talking about it because he’s so passionate and talks about it in a way that makes want to get around to it faster.
As someone who literally started the Wheel of Time because of Daniel’s passion, I can 100% confirm his passion is justified. Read the whole series in four months and had a massive book depression afterwards haha
Leave alone - just horrible
I know it's a bit non-sequitor, but if you want something 100% free and the closest I've ever seen to being comparably amazing to the Wheel, try the Wandering Inn. The largest fault I can put on it is just that the 1st book starts pretty slow, but the series is one massive snowball in terms of quality and grand scope.
If money's an object, free's a great price.
I just finished crown of swords … ugh what a drag
They are peak 90s bad writing.
Lanfear's death always made sense to me because her biggest character trait was always over-confidence. She thinks she's the best at everything but repeatedly loses because she underestimates those around her. Especially when it comes to the world of dreams, she claims to be the best but is repeatedly shown to be outclassed in the dream world
Same. Especially because the compulsion didn't even fail, Perrin just killed her in spite of it through sheer willpower and was left with lifelong trauma as a result. Really didn't read like something she had planned for.
Yeah Perin killed her, this is just bullshiat from Sanders.
I just kept waiting for that final scene when Selene would show up and give us all a final wink before also disappearing into the night. Glad it wasn't just a dream
I love how the books end in such a clean way but also so open-ended. Sanderson and Jordan left the gates wide open for readers to imagine what happens after the end, and for a series the describes such a living, breathing world, with characters in it, the end of the character's stories doesn't feel like the end of the world. Randland lives on in our hearts and minds.
If you ever find yourself in the realm of Dream (of the Endless), be sure to check out his library, where you will find every story never written, including the sequel to the WoT.
I think it is worth mentioning that Perrin is far from stupid. Quick witted and clever? No that would be Matt. But he is a deep thinker. In this hypothetical future series as his mastery of the world of dreams grows he MIGHT guess at the possibility. But Lanfear could just avoid him for 60 or so years.
THAT would be the way for both characters to be properly treated
Twist..Perrin becomes the sandman
We're told this (Perrin's slow to speak/react, but he's not stupid) many times during the series, but I can't actually remember any examples of Perrin being notably intelligent.
Hey lsdeann, it’s been a minute since I’ve read though the books but I think the battle of Malden and the fork root tea plan is a good example.
Wasn’t the plan where Rand throws him across the room his too? So he could go look for the prophet?
End scene in the WoT-series.
*******
Rand on farm. Camera pans out. wobble wobble, goes to Tel'aran'rhiod. A familiar siluette just walks around a corner and disappears. Que credits.
I just realized that Lanfear and Rand both pulled the ‘convince everyone else they’re dead’ trick. 😮
"daughter of the night" & "Lord of the morning" Both are the strongest in OP with respect to their gender (before she gets drained), one opens the bore and the other seals it
It makes sense, that scene always sat funny with me! Really glad to have it confirmed by Brandon that the awesomely powerful female character didn't get dumbed down to prop up a dude to look more cool. As much as I love Perrin. Of course Mat called it, super WoT genius as he is. 💗 Also Lanfear Hamster OMG gave me a good laugh. You know if you want you can use my art Daniel 🤣 Though the hamster is epicly funny. As always, love your videos and your sense of humor. Hope this does get more people to read WoT.
I love that Daniel as excited as I am about wheel of time. It just makes me more excited. I finished my 10th reread last year(audiobook) and now I just want to do it again.
I always knew that Lanfear was just a cute, cuddly hamster. Most important revelation of this video, IMO.
WOT: The gift that keeps on giving. So glad I found your channel a few years ago and bit the bullet at your suggestion on WOT. It has lead me down a a trail of awesome. From WOT to the Cosmere and back again. Nothing useful to say. Anyone who hasn't read WOT yet, do it. When you hit the lull in the middle, keep going. You'll thank us later.
Daniel in socks, in front of a green screen, talking about the wheel of time is all I needed today 🙌🏼
As is tradition.
Lanfear menacing the new world peace of the dragon, Androl and Pevara's adventures towards stopping her would be a great spinoff, but nobody could write it like Jordan
Wow this is great, like you Daniel, I got bamboozled thinking "well there goes Lanfear". Brandon Sanderson is freaking legend though, that was great of him. WoT changed my life, I remember reading the eye of the world as a teenager in 1994 and it blew me away. After I started reading the books I tried to convert all my friends to the WoT books and to this day I recommend it to people all the time.
It's definitely fun to take this sort of stuff and make up your own head cannon on what happens in the years to come after the series ends. There's a lot of surviving heroes who I'm sure go on to do many more legendary feats in their life. Personally, I'd love to imagine that Forsaken resurfacing in a century after rebuilding her power base to ultimately be confronted by the Queen of Malkier.
Suffice it to say, I SCREAMED at the reveal. I KNEW IT FELT TOO EASY AND UNEARNED, BUT NEVER DID I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE DAMN SECRET WAS. HOOOOOOLY.
Farmer by day, superhero by night, Totally-Not-Rand-al'Thor fighting crime and Forsaken! Lanfear is the Joker to his Batman. I want this book.
(I should precede my comment by saying that Brandon Sanderson did a wonderful job finishing the Wheel of time, and I appreciate the effort he put into it.)
I think one thing that contributed to many fans not catching this is the fact that the feel of several characters changed between books 11 and 12 (especially Mat). There was a noticeable difference in the prose as well, so Lanfear acting out of character just sort of blended in with everything else. It's possible that there are more secrets we overlooked because we attributed them to Sanderson not having as much experience with writing as he does today, and I anticipate watching out for them in a future re-read.
I don’t think this was due to lack of writing experience, moreso the fact that it’s a different author writing already existing characters. That’s a tall ask for any writer to come in and fit smoothly into an 11 book series
Absolutely. Robert Jordan also did his pre-writing differently than Sanderson, and I'm sure that many details were kept in his head and never made it into the notes he left behind.
I explicitly remember reading Memory of Light for the first time and thinking that Lanfear’s ending was unsatisfying and didn’t make sense, but I also thought the same thing for Padan Fain’s end and there’s no twist on that one. I just chalked it up to Sanderson having to have her do something and Jordan didn’t leave much for him to work with. Even before Sanderson took over the Forsaken had been caught in this weird limbo of being super powerful and dangerous but also not so competent as to actually get much done. Her ending as presented on face value matches the pattern already set, so I liked the reveal that actually there was a deeper plot much more aligned with how the Forsaken are talked about.
I think something we can all appreciate is that Sanderson did everything possible to tell Jordan’s story rather than his own. That kind of humility is rare and admirable.
@@fakjbf3129 I have only finished book 3 (and do not plan on continuing), why are the forsaken considered formidable? Is it a case of the narration or lore informing us they are a BIG deal but always lose to the protagonists?
It is mind blowing that the last WoT book came out more recently than the last Song of Ice & Fire book. It is also depressing.
I loved this revelation. When I read her death I thought it was rushed and weak. I blamed it on them trying to get to the end. This makes the ending of the story so much better. I'm annoyed that I didn't come up with this as an option.
The amount of fun you're having with the green screen is palpable and it is making me grin so wide.
I remember feeling that Lanfear's end was super easy, but i did not question it enough and now I need to reread the series
"Total victory for the light"
Daniel you sweet summer child... Have you forgotten there can be no light without darkness ☯️ There are no beginnings or endings to the wheel. My God it's just poetry if she survives.
Idea: Lanfear tries to influence Rands children or something
"What is it? What do you smell?"
"Hamster flesh!"
10 / 10 goblin energy - unhinged mania entirely appropriate for explaining Lanfear.
I love the passion and enthusiasm!! Book one was as far as I got but You make me want to love this series and READ THE BOOKS!
people say there is a slump somewhere in the middle of the series but for me the hardest to read was the first. It starts very LoTR and i'm just not a fan, add that it's always thought for me to get settled in a new world and book 1 was a bit of a chore. each passing book was better and better and the end is incredibly good, please give it another shot.
@@damp2269 I'll put book two back on my TBR. Willing to give the series another go.
@@katlove8815 nice, can't say when it will click for you but i honestly can't see anyone for whom it wouldn't click at all. i had me interested all the way through but somewhere in book 3 is when i knew it was something special.
That was AWESOME!! Loved your presentation 🎉
I know the reveal divided a lot of fans but I think its great. It's certainly something I never anticipated but I really think it fits thematically and the fact that Brandon was keeping this to himself for a decade is great. I can't wait to see what kind of nuggets like this we get in the cosmere decades from now
Yet another wonderful account from the Disheveled Goblin!!! I cannot wait for spring so I can hit up that merch, Daniel.
My theory... lanfear made herself cadsuane. That's why she was watching him at the end.. possibly lit his pipe too ;) and now she can take over the tower and still be the most powerful aes sedai
This actually completes her arc so much better. Her entire life it was her ambition for power that led to her greatest failures, her initial breakup with rand, freeing the dark one, screwing it up with rand again while also turning her back on the shadow alllll for power.
Having her find salvation by accepting vanishing into obscurity is kinda perfect.
I would have never read WoT if it wasnt for you Daniel. So glad I found your channel, you have truly, single handedly brought me back to the amazing world of reading
Seconded and agreed
I LOVE that Lanfear is alive just out there in the world. Thanks for another great video Daniel.
Im on book 4 and I absolutely love this series. Its a masterpiece. 🙏
m8 u just spoiled urself
@@Bt-cq6te nooo, I didn't watched whole thing... 🙏
First time I tried, I couldn't finish book 1. Second time I tried I stopped at some point in 4 or start of 5. . . . I only own up to 6 so I guess I need to get a few more books before I try again.
@@hallaloth3112 I know it's a bit non-sequitor, but if you want something 100% free and the closest I've ever seen to being comparably amazing, try the Wandering Inn. The largest fault I can put on it is just that the 1st book starts pretty slow, but the series is one massive snowball in terms of quality and grand scope.
If money's an object, free's a pretty good price.
Oh book 4 is where it starts getting REALLY GOOD.
I'm with you Daniel, how did I not see that?! It's genius!
So, if Daniel doesn't want Sanderson to write new WOT books, and he doesn't want someone else to write new WOT books, the only options left are to either resurrect or clone Jordan and force him to write more, or for Daniel himself to write them himself..
But personally, I'd be absolutely OK with Sanderson writing more, since he did a hell of a job finishing the series.
Brandon's still got ~25 more years of his own stories and universe to write. Taking another year or two to sideline another WoT book would be neat, but not what we need from him. There could potentially be other authors up to the task (Brent Weeks and James Islington come to mind) but Brandon did his time and he did it well.
sanderson has made it very clear that he would never write more WoT
@@robbybevard8034 Ooh, I haven't heard of these authors before, but this comment is a hell of a recommendation!
I think I'll have to check them out, thanks...
@@acurlyboi2944 Yea, but it doesn't mean that he won't change his mind in the future though. Or maybe I'm just an optometrist.
@@JoeBob79569 ur an eye doctor?
This twist reminds me of Sauron surviving the downfall of Morgoth in the best possible way.
The feel when I’m just now reading WoT and am blowing through the Dragon Reborn… only to realize I must still read 12 books to be able to watch this video 😭
So Perrin, who shrugs off balefire as 'just weaves,' can only break out of compulsion if Lanfear lets him believe he's broken out of compulsion...thanks for clearing that up Sanderson...
At some point Perrin is going to figure it out. Nynaeve is going to find the compulsion sooner or later. It's just a matter of time. Opens it up for Mat and Perrin to have adventures chasing Lanfear and Moghedien...
OMG I'd love a Lanfear sequel!!!! 😆😆😆
I've saved this video to a playlist I have titled spoilers and will be back in a few years when I finish Wheel of Time!~
Do yourself a favor and buckle down and finish the series. I tiptoed around spoilers for years, its worth it to finish and be able to engage in discussions. The WOT subreddit is really good for marking for spoilers so you can somewhat read threads and ask questions but sometimes people misremember and post spoilers
As a Curious B who is probably never going to read the series I'm happy for all y'all lore fiends getting this delicious little snack. I love when things I'm passionate about get that so good for you guys.
But Moridin had Lanfear's cour'souvra on a necklace. And since Rand switched bodies with Moridin, Lanfear is still kind of screwed. Even if Lanfear's cour'souvra is lost, she's kind of screwed since if it shatters, she becomes a mindless puppet.
Dude. Your videos are just ear candy. Your writing is so great and your delivery is, ugh, so fucking good. keep on keeping on dude. imma watch it again now.
I imagine her just living in the dream world influencing others with slight touches over hundreds of years. Maybe we will get more of her when the TV series finishes up.
Hah you assume it wont get cancelled before the end 🤣
That series is definitely going to be c cancelled before then.
Firstly because it's rare a series would run the 10+ season they would need, and secondly because they have made it awful
ça fait plaisir de te revoir parler de la Roue du Temps ! l'info est succulente et donne envie de relire toute la fin de la série pour vérifier tout ça soit même ! Ça tombe bien le dernier tome de la série est enfin disponible en Français depuis l'année dernier (avec seulement 10 ans de retard sur la sortie en anglais...)
I watched this reveal when it was live-streamed and was really blown away. I also felt that her ending made no real sense but just chalked it up to another writer taking over the property of another. But thinking back on it now after I've re-read Memory of Light a couple more times, I see it better as I'm also more familiar with Brandon's other works as WoT helped introduce me to him more. I honestly felt that there should have been more main character deaths, maybe one of the main three, I didn't like how they constantly did fake-outs on deaths which kind of lost their real weight in my opinion, but WoT is still my favorite fantasy book series, second to Joe Abercrombie series, and how Stormlight is shaping up.
As another Wheel of Time fan, who also found your channel through related videos, I agree that this is a very nostalgic bit of media.
For me, I so want more novels.
I understand that reluctance, and I appreciate where it comes from, but I think that there is still too much which can be said within this world,
And I want to read it.
Daniel is right… i am curious little bee, thank you da kisses
Separated from the power of the Dark One she is now mortal again. Depending on how that works she only has so long to live to mess things up anyways. If she still gets the several hundred years of a powerful channeler then she would pop back up again. Her tragic flaw is the need for prestige so hiding is not something she would do long term.
Daniel wants fanfiction mayhaps
Oh man you hit me real hard with the nostalgia out of nowhere with that old school windows screen saver lol, I'm getting memories I forgot existed.
Thank you Daniel for how well you have discussed this topic in the Wheel of Time. I'm currently getting ready to read the 3rd book, and I love light spoilers. You were able to make me feel like I have 'insider knowledge' while at the same time not completely spoiling the entire series. Thank you.
the whole "LANFEAARRRR" thing with rand sniffing. God I love it.
Now the question is: does Lanfear think that Rand is alive? Brandon said she's the 2md most powerful person, and she knows it, but if she thinks Rand is dead, she thinks she's the most powerful person around and that could cause some issues for everyone around her
Also, I thought Rand in his new body was powerless at least from what I remembered /shrug
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Rand can theoretically erase Lanfear from the Wheel.
@@Selfamused SPOILER
Rand no longer has access to Saidin. He has... something else. What exactly that is, is unclear, intentionally so. We just saw him light a pipe with it. It's possible he has direct access to the pattern now, powers comparable to what the Dark One had.
No one knows since Jordan never told anyone, and even Sanderson can only speculate..
I love how poetic it is and ties into other myths. The wolf can never catch the moon
Until Ragnarok...
Part of me really wishes Brandon would write more in the WoT universe, but the other part of me respects the plan to let it end with Jordan.
Brandon's still got ~25 more years of his own stories and universe to write. Taking another year or two to sideline another WoT book would be neat, but not what we need from him. There could potentially be other authors up to the task (Brent Weeks and James Islington come to mind) but Brandon did his time.
@@robbybevard8034 IMO WoT is done and should stay that way. I see adding entries on any series as a series of escalating bets, if one doesn't pay off you lost the whole thing. we are 15 in... i say we take the winnings home.
Also agree on Sanderson doing something else. need more stormlight, but honestly I will read anything he puts out at this point.
@@damp2269 I still would love to an expansion on the war of power.
@@nucphyschem1 If another book was published I would read it no question, but I have 2 arguments against it. the first I mentioned, too much risk of ruining the series. The second is that I think that if everything is shown it will lose a bit of it's magic. a big part of WoT is facts becoming history, history becoming legend and legend being so old that is just a fuzzy myth. If everything is crystal clear you lose a lot of that sense of wonder.
@@damp2269 I understand what you are saying that's why I'm saying you don't write the book in relation to the main series but expand the universe ie the war of power and about the hall of servants and such. The research on traveling etc would super interesting. Nothing to do with the mainline series
This just makes me sad and refreshes my desire for Mat and Tuon and Perrin's Wild Whacky Fun Time Adventure in Seanchan all over again
I love daniel and wish I could watch this but am in the middle of book eight so will wait and come back. All love to the disheveled goblin.
Good choice! Being able to watch ALL WoT TH-cam content was a major motivator to finish the series for me
@@psykedude I have saved every WoT video I haven't watched into a single Playlist for when I finish the series. No spoilers until I'm done.
I would absolutely love to watch this but I’m only on book 2. But I will be back eventually. In the mean time I would like to thank you for turning me toward this series 2 years ago!!
I totally appreciate the respect Sanderson has for legend that is Robert Jordan and not wanting "takeover" that world. The WOT is Robert Jordan's baby/creation and always will be. At the same time though, Robert Jordan isn't with us anymore and like in so many fantasy series, there comes a time where the "mantle" is passed on to another to carry on in their stead. I can't think of anyone better than Brandon Sanderson. Buuut I also am terrified it could go badly somehow too so yeah, mixed feelings. LOL
i hate it :)
I just want a book about the 4th era so bad. I want to know about everyone after the last Battle. The Girls finding Rand, Perrin leading two rivers, mat surviving tuon somehow, cadsuane as an amyrlin and logain leading the black tower. I also don't want a new book, but fuck, you still got out there the most powerfull ta'veren that ever existed, husband of 3 really important women, I'm pretty sure even his farm Life would be pretty much hype. Oh, and I need a reunion with Tam. Fuck.
Well looks like it’s time for my annual reread of this INCREDIBLE SACRED SERIES 😍
Absolutely love the way Daniel hypes up for Wheel of Time content!
Daniel, I started reading (or rather listening to the audiobooks) the Wheel of Time while I'm at work. I listen to like a good 5-7 hours each day and I've already finished the first two books and I'm about a third of the way through The Dragon Reborn. I'm so intrigued by the series. I can't watch this video because I just started reading it last month XD
I think a good compromise for more wheel of time isn't another book, but a collection of short stories about new events and inventions in the world and the rumors about Rand and Lanfear who are still roaming about.
I love this new green screen for you, it is obviously bringing so much joy. To you and to us.
The intro had me laughing my ass off! Choked on my tea when the dawn popped up 🤣🤣
I finally finished listening to the audio books a couple days ago. The ending was great, but I just want MORE. There's so much of the WoT world that I wish we got to explore more.
Daniel really loves this series
When Perrin defeated Lanfear i had no issues with it, he was ta'veren and that was always a huge advantage. Matts whole existence depended upon it working in his favor(eventually). it always bothered me that slayer could avoid him so easily, i expected the ta'veren to kick in at some stage but it never did.
Finished the series a couple months back and absolutely love this reveal. thanks Daniel
I'm a WoT fan because of Daniel. Homie this video had GREAT energy! Anyone can really tell how passionate you are about this series and how much fun you had making this video. Excellent content my guy 👍
Bro, your videos got me hooked onto WoT. You're amazing and funny! Thank you for your work!
So ... how much time does our gal Lanfear have left? After all, she must have spent at least a few centuries during the AoL learning the dream world, becoming famous, not earning a third name, etc. And now that the Dark One is locked up, she doesn't have access to life extension therapies.
It depends on the physical age of her new body, assuming it's that of a young woman she's got 700+yrs, the Eelfinn only had time to drain a small portion of her channelling ability. The one thing I don't really understand is the meaning behind she being the only silver-haired character in the series, I can get why DO put her in a short body because she was proud of her height.
I know in the long history of literature, WoT does not rank up there, but as someone who started reading in the early 1990’s, there is no series I love more. Every time I read it I get a rush of nostalgia. It makes me happy, and it’s definitely my comfort food.
I feel so dumb for having missed it; it seems so obvious now! I got the balefire crossed thing, but this went straight over my head!
Daniel what the hell. i have no time. why do you suddenly make me want to reread the series again?