I really appreciate your informative posts, I was in the market for a class A RV as a first time buyer… I decided to research the RV life to find if it were for me. During my research I’ve come across nothing but warning posts that have convinced me that I’m not made for the RV life as I’m looking for something that would’ve given me and my family peace and leisure and it seems like owning a new RV would be fraught with issues that I don’t have the time for and I certainly don’t have time for warranty , repair, maintenance etc issues. Don’t want it now. Thank you for opening my eyes 🙏🏼
RVing is a wonderful way to travel. Maybe reconsider in a few years. I'm hoping these manufacturers will realize the only way to sell is to improve price and quality.
I subscribed to your channel because of your honesty . Thank you you are spot on about rv industry. During Covid they were ruthless. They deserve to go down.
@@pamelareed5021 we're doing a livestream this Wednesday that's all about RV inspections. Lots of useful info! Also check out m.th-cam.com/video/cAGfVtnty30/w-d-xo.html for tips on buying and m.th-cam.com/video/tDuUIbgAyt8/w-d-xo.html for budgeting tips.
The exact reason why people are building out their own vans. It’s more Affordable and reliable for the majority. New sub ! Thanks for the quality content.
I've heard they can be problematic with 5th wheels causing extra strain on the frame. But we haven't done enough research to verify. Thanks for the recommendation.
Please do another video about what happens at the dealers, specifically the financing part. I have heard that dealers need to make their money off of either a trade in or the financing. They don't bargain with cash buyers. Is this true?
Thank you for keeping us informed on the industry. Love your channel and now we’re convinced to no time in the near future to buy an RV. The disaster stories I’ve seen are horrible. My husband is a retired railroader and two of my sons work for the airlines so we get to travel for free, we will just continue to fly or train to our destinations. Camping is two ground tents and a rooftop for us for local getaways lol. Keep doing what you do 😁 it’s appreciated
Great advice, thank you so much. I was especially interested in the issue of the dealers overpricing the vehicles and then offering a "big discount" if you purchase right away. I see several adds on the internet where they advertise the price and then put a slash through the price to show a significant discount. You are doing the public a service, like the "amazing Liz" and hopefully this will convince the manufacturers to produce better products.
You both are amazing! Such good information! I would absolutely appreciate you making a video on how to negotiate before buying an RV video. Thank you so much for making such great video content. ❤
Good video, these RV manufacturers & dealers need to be regulated. Its very sad they are selling junk & not standing behind what they are building & selling !
You got it right -These RV’s aren’t worth what they cost -Even NEWMAR as I had stated in a previous comment-We had a $15,000 dollar repair bill on our 2023 Dutch Star -Our electrical blew -Out of nowhere-We have other major problems since we took delivery 🤯⭐️And you are truly stuck with these things after you buy them 🤯
With regard to the roofs is an RV, are their better builders with a least amount of separation areas that could cause water to leak in ? Such as a one piece fiberglass roof verse panels attached to the together.
I wish they would have crash tested my current Class A as that would have prevented me, or anyone, from buying that P.O.S. Anyway, in two years my wife will retire and we have our eyes on the best floor plan ever created, IMHO. The Tiffin Allegro Bus 45 FP (Fully Pimped). We hope to buy a 2025, which will be two years old at that point. P.S. when I first moved to MD I stayed in a campground in PG county. Can’t recall the name of it or the little town it is in. That was 22 years ago.
Used is the best way to go. Someone else will do the repairs. Good thinking. Yea we feel your pain with our class A. It's been in the shop most of the summer.
Look you two, I don't need any more proof or verification for to why I am NEVER going to buy a motorized RV of any kind! But you have to keep the education going for those who have not made the decision yet, keep up the good work. Of course, there will be those who will just take a chance anyway and risk the regret, that's human nature. As for the Ford F350, I bought one of those and yeah, they are costly, and I never thought that I would EVER spend that kind of money on a truck in my life! I was lucky to have a friend whose dad worked for Ford for 40 years and I got the friends and family discount, which really helped, but I still paid $91,000. Insanity! We are still "considering" the only real quality bumper pulls available, the Big Foot, Oliver, or maybe the Casita. I guess we are still just so put off and disenchanted with RV's these days that we have lost our heart for them. We still keep tossing it around as we just did a 2,400-mile loop over the last 6 days and would like to have known what it would have been like with trailer and not just hotels. Dragging our bags in and out of hotels stinks and every bed we slept on stunk. But, for the $$$ we would spend on an RV buys us lots and lots of hotel stays that don't require maintenance, insurance, storage, and all that goes with RV ownership. Sorry, but your videos seem to send me on these rants. Thanks for driving home all of the cautions to owning an RV!
You could spend about $1 million and get a high quality Prevost. 😅 But we're with you. Bigfoot, Casita and Oliver are all good choices 👍. John and I have been trying to find those brands to review but there are none in our area. Guess we'll have to wait until Hershey. We HATE hotels. Last time we traveled one of the rooms had hair in the bed. Took 3 tries before the hotel could find us a room where there wasn't hair or other objects in the bed. So evident that they weren't changing sheets when the room was cleaned🤮. RVing is so much easier! Hopefully, the industry will change.
All of the manufacturers love to talk about how important safety is yet name an RV with airbags? You can't imagine crashing a $200k+ RV? Well auto manufacturers who make cars costing over $100k crash them. Moreover, I an RV with an MSRP of $200k costs the manufacturer between $50-$75 (e.g., the dealer pays approx 50% of MSRP and the actual cost to the manufacturer cost is approx 50% of that or 25% of MSRP which is why they can discount them so deeply) to produce so that is not an acceptable excuse. Way back in the day Winnebago used to test Class A's even dropping them on their roof. Many RV stickers look like I made it on my PC and printed it on a dot matrix printer. Don't buy a Monday or a Friday build. When I see factory tour videos and I see workers performing repetitive tasks I shake my head why this is not automated. I own a 2017 Newmar that has had over $60,000 worth of repairs.
@@AmpedtoGlamp True I should have been more specific. However, Super C's built on the Freightliner chassis don't have them. Moreover, many Class A's don't have any steel around the windshield, only fiberglass. You are correct they are not safe.
As an almost 40 year owner of 8 different motorhomes, I agree with you, these are NOT built like cars or SUV’s and never have been. There is no regulation to mandate it. I wish they did have regulation . The big question is? Could we afford them if they had to meet similar regulations? Maybe not. I hear people say these RV’s aren’t worth it. Possibly so, so STOP buying them. I’m a firm believer in market economics. What makes anything valuable? Sales go down, so do prices. People want it, prices go up. Can you buy a gas Class A motorhome for $150K? Absolutely, but those F53 chassis aren’t as cheap as some think. Three years ago this month I purchased a new 2022 Winnebago Vista. 30’ long, a fairly basic but well made class A. We paid $130K with a few added options. After three years and 40,000 miles, we don’t feel we overpaid or that it was poorly built. The accessories are another issue. So many poorly made parts made by Lippert and others. Lack of competition I suppose. We did NOT pay for a PDI or some of the other extras some folks have been scammed on. We got our own financing and our own extended service agreement. These dealers DO try to get you where they can. That’s business I guess. My advice: never be afraid to walk away from a deal, get an inspection, make sure you’ve done your homework Good video, good information for those getting into the game or wanting to do better on the next deal. Stay safe.
"I find it quite scary to consider buying an RV. It's a huge investment, and I don't want to waste money on something of low quality. It seems like the RV industry doesn't want to take responsibility, and customers could have a faulty vehicle. I think I'd rather stick with a class B+."
Why is every RV show on TH-cam all negative news ? I get it some RV manufactures are scum, but all negative all the time. What happened to the joys of hitting the road?
We do a mixture. Some good and some bad. We love to RV but we also feel folks should know what they are getting into. Next week we'll be sharing a vlog of good times at Sun Outdoors Myrtle Beach.
Some of this is information but not helpful. For instance, if you want an RV, you must sign the arbitration agreement. There's nothing a consumer can do other than never buy an RV.
Good point. We probably should have added more on how to avoid. For one, you can buy a brand that doesn't require an arbitration clause. Or we will often cross out lines in contracts we don't agree with. Usually no one even notices but its there when we need it.
Right if you don't like the fine print, do they change the contract nope, you don't get to buy the RV. So really why bother reading the agreement it is a take it or leave it situation,.
I do not work for the RV- I do work in Finance in the Car Industry. A lot of your information is Biased and wrong information.. PDI is called pre delivery inspection- it’s supposed to be done to verify out of the factory that it’s up to par! Liquid accommodation- accessories- etc. Now in regards to the Price- it’s supply and demand- but more importantly it’s a buisness- nobody does anything for free! Regardless of how an institution makes their money! There’s no dirty secrets- it’s called buisness. I find that quite disrespectful actually.
Thanks for giving us a view of the auto industry. However it works very differently with RVs. Customers pay for the PDI from the dealerships and very often major issues aren't reported or addressed which is why it's so important for rv buyers to get a certified inspection.
What are some of the RV secrets you know about? For more info on RV quality check out this video 🔥 th-cam.com/video/7livwtr7e3s/w-d-xo.html
I really appreciate your informative posts, I was in the market for a class A RV as a first time buyer… I decided to research the RV life to find if it were for me. During my research I’ve come across nothing but warning posts that have convinced me that I’m not made for the RV life as I’m looking for something that would’ve given me and my family peace and leisure and it seems like owning a new RV would be fraught with issues that I don’t have the time for and I certainly don’t have time for warranty , repair, maintenance etc issues. Don’t want it now. Thank you for opening my eyes 🙏🏼
RVing is a wonderful way to travel. Maybe reconsider in a few years. I'm hoping these manufacturers will realize the only way to sell is to improve price and quality.
Yes to exposing the dirty dealership secrets and the other dirty secrets. Excellent content! Subscribed
Thank you and welcome to our community! 😊
I subscribed to your channel because of your honesty . Thank you you are spot on about rv industry. During Covid they were ruthless. They deserve to go down.
Don't know how we missed your comment. Thank you so much for subscribing and welcome to our community.
Yes, please do a RV financing video! I will be buying at the end of the year and I need to know please!!!
We'll start working one! 😊
Thank you for sharing this. I'm sharing this with my friends who are looking at new RVs right now
Thanks for sharing!
Love to see more on how to buyand what to look for while touring etc. thank you
@@pamelareed5021 we're doing a livestream this Wednesday that's all about RV inspections. Lots of useful info! Also check out m.th-cam.com/video/cAGfVtnty30/w-d-xo.html for tips on buying and m.th-cam.com/video/tDuUIbgAyt8/w-d-xo.html for budgeting tips.
Hey guys. Excellent information for new and experienced RVers. Knowledge is power!
It sure is! Thanks for watching!
Would love a video on financing!
You two are the BEST! RV newbys like me, need more of these video's! Thank you for your wisdom and support for RV consumers!
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The exact reason why people are building out their own vans. It’s more Affordable and reliable for the majority. New sub ! Thanks for the quality content.
Thanks for the sub and welcome to our community! And yes, we're hearing from more and more viewers who are building their own.
Thanks for sharing. Please continue sharing this type of info.
Will do!
You didn't disappoint. I was particularly interested in learning about those financing shenanigans. Thank you for revealing and making us wiser. 👍🏾
Thank you! We had to do some research on that one.
I recommend the HDT’s for Safety.
I've heard they can be problematic with 5th wheels causing extra strain on the frame. But we haven't done enough research to verify. Thanks for the recommendation.
Please do another video about what happens at the dealers, specifically the financing part. I have heard that dealers need to make their money off of either a trade in or the financing. They don't bargain with cash buyers. Is this true?
Helpful information. Thank you!
Thank you for keeping us informed on the industry. Love your channel and now we’re convinced to no time in the near future to buy an RV. The disaster stories I’ve seen are horrible. My husband is a retired railroader and two of my sons work for the airlines so we get to travel for free, we will just continue to fly or train to our destinations. Camping is two ground tents and a rooftop for us for local getaways lol. Keep doing what you do 😁 it’s appreciated
Thank you @michelelove. I'm hoping the industry will change.
Great advice, thank you so much. I was especially interested in the issue of the dealers overpricing the vehicles and then offering a "big discount" if you purchase right away. I see several adds on the internet where they advertise the price and then put a slash through the price to show a significant discount. You are doing the public a service, like the "amazing Liz" and hopefully this will convince the manufacturers to produce better products.
@@H.pylori thank you! We admire what Liz is doing and are grateful we can provide our small contribution to help educate the community.
You both are amazing! Such good information! I would absolutely appreciate you making a video on how to negotiate before buying an RV video. Thank you so much for making such great video content. ❤
Great suggestion! We'll work on one.
Good video, these RV manufacturers & dealers need to be regulated. Its very sad they are selling junk & not standing behind what they are building & selling !
You got it right -These RV’s aren’t worth what they cost -Even NEWMAR as I had stated in a previous comment-We had a $15,000 dollar repair bill on our 2023 Dutch Star -Our electrical blew -Out of nowhere-We have other major problems since we took delivery 🤯⭐️And you are truly stuck with these things after you buy them 🤯
Very little we as consumers can do except stop buying which makes us sad because we love RVing.
I gotcha on this one, my 2017 Canyon Star has had over $60,000 in repairs! Newmar "when you know the difference".
With regard to the roofs is an RV, are their better builders with a least amount of separation areas that could cause water to leak in ? Such as a one piece fiberglass roof verse panels attached to the together.
Right if leaks are a problem why do they put so many damn holes in the roof?
Yes. There are a few travel trailers like Cassita.
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I wish they would have crash tested my current Class A as that would have prevented me, or anyone, from buying that P.O.S. Anyway, in two years my wife will retire and we have our eyes on the best floor plan ever created, IMHO. The Tiffin Allegro Bus 45 FP (Fully Pimped). We hope to buy a 2025, which will be two years old at that point. P.S. when I first moved to MD I stayed in a campground in PG county. Can’t recall the name of it or the little town it is in. That was 22 years ago.
Used is the best way to go. Someone else will do the repairs. Good thinking. Yea we feel your pain with our class A. It's been in the shop most of the summer.
So not surprised about the lack of regulation and standards in the RV industry.
I'm not one for regulation but in this case.....its needed.
Look you two, I don't need any more proof or verification for to why I am NEVER going to buy a motorized RV of any kind! But you have to keep the education going for those who have not made the decision yet, keep up the good work. Of course, there will be those who will just take a chance anyway and risk the regret, that's human nature. As for the Ford F350, I bought one of those and yeah, they are costly, and I never thought that I would EVER spend that kind of money on a truck in my life! I was lucky to have a friend whose dad worked for Ford for 40 years and I got the friends and family discount, which really helped, but I still paid $91,000. Insanity! We are still "considering" the only real quality bumper pulls available, the Big Foot, Oliver, or maybe the Casita. I guess we are still just so put off and disenchanted with RV's these days that we have lost our heart for them. We still keep tossing it around as we just did a 2,400-mile loop over the last 6 days and would like to have known what it would have been like with trailer and not just hotels. Dragging our bags in and out of hotels stinks and every bed we slept on stunk. But, for the $$$ we would spend on an RV buys us lots and lots of hotel stays that don't require maintenance, insurance, storage, and all that goes with RV ownership. Sorry, but your videos seem to send me on these rants. Thanks for driving home all of the cautions to owning an RV!
You could spend about $1 million and get a high quality Prevost. 😅 But we're with you. Bigfoot, Casita and Oliver are all good choices 👍. John and I have been trying to find those brands to review but there are none in our area. Guess we'll have to wait until Hershey.
We HATE hotels. Last time we traveled one of the rooms had hair in the bed. Took 3 tries before the hotel could find us a room where there wasn't hair or other objects in the bed. So evident that they weren't changing sheets when the room was cleaned🤮. RVing is so much easier! Hopefully, the industry will change.
Automobile Industry they don't test their Cars is an independent Third Party who do the test. RV industry is more like house industry or Boat Industry
A life is more valuable than the cost of a crash test. They should do the crash test!
agreed!
All of the manufacturers love to talk about how important safety is yet name an RV with airbags? You can't imagine crashing a $200k+ RV? Well auto manufacturers who make cars costing over $100k crash them. Moreover, I an RV with an MSRP of $200k costs the manufacturer between $50-$75 (e.g., the dealer pays approx 50% of MSRP and the actual cost to the manufacturer cost is approx 50% of that or 25% of MSRP which is why they can discount them so deeply) to produce so that is not an acceptable excuse. Way back in the day Winnebago used to test Class A's even dropping them on their roof. Many RV stickers look like I made it on my PC and printed it on a dot matrix printer. Don't buy a Monday or a Friday build. When I see factory tour videos and I see workers performing repetitive tasks I shake my head why this is not automated. I own a 2017 Newmar that has had over $60,000 worth of repairs.
60k! 😱 unreal! Class Bs and Cs have airbags. Class As have nothing. They are not safe.
@@AmpedtoGlamp True I should have been more specific. However, Super C's built on the Freightliner chassis don't have them. Moreover, many Class A's don't have any steel around the windshield, only fiberglass. You are correct they are not safe.
As an almost 40 year owner of 8 different motorhomes, I agree with you, these are NOT built like cars or SUV’s and never have been. There is no regulation to mandate it. I wish they did have regulation . The big question is? Could we afford them if they had to meet similar regulations? Maybe not. I hear people say these RV’s aren’t worth it. Possibly so, so STOP buying them. I’m a firm believer in market economics. What makes anything valuable? Sales go down, so do prices. People want it, prices go up. Can you buy a gas Class A motorhome for $150K? Absolutely, but those F53 chassis aren’t as cheap as some think.
Three years ago this month I purchased a new 2022 Winnebago Vista. 30’ long, a fairly basic but well made class A. We paid $130K with a few added options. After three years and 40,000 miles, we don’t feel we overpaid or that it was poorly built. The accessories are another issue. So many poorly made parts made by Lippert and others. Lack of competition I suppose.
We did NOT pay for a PDI or some of the other extras some folks have been scammed on. We got our own financing and our own extended service agreement. These dealers DO try to get you where they can. That’s business I guess.
My advice: never be afraid to walk away from a deal, get an inspection, make sure you’ve done your homework
Good video, good information for those getting into the game or wanting to do better on the next deal.
Stay safe.
"I find it quite scary to consider buying an RV. It's a huge investment, and I don't want to waste money on something of low quality. It seems like the RV industry doesn't want to take responsibility, and customers could have a faulty vehicle. I think I'd rather stick with a class B+."
Class B's tend to be a more solid choice. Key for any RV purchase is to get a certified inspection.
Something I’ve noticed in the used RV market is the asking price posted next to the original MSRP even though the unit is several years old.
I guess they want it to seem as if you're getting a good deal? Not sure.
Why is every RV show on TH-cam all negative news ? I get it some RV manufactures are scum, but all negative all the time. What happened to the joys of hitting the road?
We do a mixture. Some good and some bad. We love to RV but we also feel folks should know what they are getting into. Next week we'll be sharing a vlog of good times at Sun Outdoors Myrtle Beach.
Some of this is information but not helpful. For instance, if you want an RV, you must sign the arbitration agreement. There's nothing a consumer can do other than never buy an RV.
Good point. We probably should have added more on how to avoid. For one, you can buy a brand that doesn't require an arbitration clause. Or we will often cross out lines in contracts we don't agree with. Usually no one even notices but its there when we need it.
Right if you don't like the fine print, do they change the contract nope, you don't get to buy the RV. So really why bother reading the agreement it is a take it or leave it situation,.
It’s just awful. The sticker price is such scam
I do not work for the RV- I do work in Finance in the Car Industry. A lot of your information is Biased and wrong information.. PDI is called pre delivery inspection- it’s supposed to be done to verify out of the factory that it’s up to par! Liquid accommodation- accessories- etc. Now in regards to the Price- it’s supply and demand- but more importantly it’s a buisness- nobody does anything for free! Regardless of how an institution makes their money! There’s no dirty secrets- it’s called buisness. I find that quite disrespectful actually.
Thanks for giving us a view of the auto industry. However it works very differently with RVs. Customers pay for the PDI from the dealerships and very often major issues aren't reported or addressed which is why it's so important for rv buyers to get a certified inspection.
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