Cutting 5.56 brass to 300 Blackout brass on the CP2000
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- Dillon Precision's Gary The Human Manual and Will from Gunsdaily, show the brand new CP2000 case processing machine.
0:00 Introduction
0:25 Cleaning and Loading Brass
1:13 Beginning Cycle/De-Prime
1:34 Swaging
2:47 RT1500 and Trimming the Case
4:03 Comparing 300Blk to 5.56
4:28 Final Sizing
5:23 Setting Up for Production
7:15 Checking Headspace
7:35 Loading on the RL110
7:49 Lube the Brass
8:08 Loading Primers Using the RF100
8:37 The Load
8:49 Boat Tail Bullet Loading Characteristics
9:26 Setting Up the Load
15:28 Conclusion
Gary is like Obi-Wan Kenobi but with reloading. I have been getting advice from him for 25 years. Dillon are great people and company.
Thanks Nexus! Ill let him know you had kind words to say about him. He is definitely a legend.
I got my 550C about 36 years ago. I use it for single die operation and full maniac production. I like to prep and clean after sizing, so I split up the runs. When loading pistol, I usually make runs of 2,000. I tried to make an honest guess of how many rounds it has processed. I would guess I have bought 250,000 primers. So I imagine that it has cycled more than a million and a half times. I keep it oiled and covered when not in use. The only part that wore out was the primer pickup tube end. I wish Mike was still around to hear this. Thank you so very much. Great product. I recommend it everywhere.
I made more ammo in one month on your RL550B than I've been able to shoot in 10 years 😆
Your progressives are fast and accurate.
I just ran my first xl650 after years of using a single stage press and all I can say is it is life changing and I can see setting up two more machines. This is an incredible machine.
You guys are freaking awesome. Love your videos and still like my Square DealB, loaded thousand of rounds in different handgun calibers and they have great consistency, giving me the upper edge precision I need for competition shooting. Thanks guys!
Thank you!
yes ive been waiting on this video!!! thanks!
Wow this is SO much easier than using a Harbor Freight mini cutoff saw, a sizing die and then the Little Crow case trimmer to make blackout brass.
Only about 15 times more expensive too.
But we forged ahead, slogging there and back, in 3 feet of snow, just for the pleasure of being the step forefathers of 300 BLK!!! We shall tell our grandchildren of those times .......
100 times more money... been doing the crop saw for years... LOL this is nice but would cost 6 grand... hmmm will stick to my 23$ saw... I have a fancy bracket to hold the round LOL
Much needed, perfect video. Thanks!
Not to be off topic, I own a XL650 and a Hornady Ammo plant. It is like owning a Lincoln verses a Volkswagen. The XL650 is the most trouble free press I have ever had hands down. DILLON is a great bunch of professionals. And are always spot on when I need help. Thanks for a great product!!!
I own a hornady AP and am set up to run long and short rifle and large and small pistol. I was very content with it (compared to single stage) but these dillons are quickly garnering my attention...
That is sick!
Here it is.
Just a little tip, put two sets of headphones on and place the vacuum in the next building over
i love all your videos but you don't have any videos on the sl900 shot shell reloader id be very happy to see that
Need to get a CP2000! Plus upgrade to the RL1100, and add a bullet feeder and ammo bot. That would be the ultimate setup.
ok so very stupid question but i'm guessing that this press/machine is for case prep or is it a press that can be used for ammo production and case prep ? as i've only see this done on the 1050 ?
@@oldlyswansea I think the CP2000 is for case prep only and or case conversion. I think it’ll probably only do some of the simple case conversions like this one with .223 to 6.5 Creedmoor. But it’ll also trim and debur anything.You would need that and a reloading machine like the RL550 or RL1100.
7:08 those words are so true
I hear ya. I've got a couple K of 223 I need to get the ol HF cut saw going on and embrace the suck
Been cutting mine down by hand with a jig I bought. Awsome. A lot of shavings and how about the life of the grinder. Grinding a lot of brass from each case. Is it worth it. Seems like you still have to run it for the 2nd time to load it.
Hol crap! It takes me a week -of and on- to make 50 the chop saw way
love, just love the awkward handshake
That was actually on purpose.
Can you use the grinder or sizing grinder on any single stage press ?
A little step up from my 20 year old 550 machine.
I can't get my exhaust manifold to fit because of the washer holding the tool head on. What do I need to do?
Every man's dream that wants 300 Blackout? I have13 year old grand daughter who would love that with about 10,000 223/556 cases 🤣
My issue with the same set up as this only I’m using my 550 , is that my 1500 motor and Dillon 300 BO die get filled up with brass chips and long strands of brass wrapped around cutter. Any tips ?..
Have this same equipment but using a xl650. Recommend informing your audience about the differences in the thickness of different brass cases. Although you can form any 223/556 case to a 300 blkout case, there is a high probability that you will run into issues with the thickness of cases depending on the manufacturer. Otherwise, hands down the best setup out.
Which casings brand do you prefer??
I researching for now
would love to reload 556, 300blackout, 308, 9mm ,
and 40S/W....
Any information is helpful
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James Stacey lakecity
@@Morphz_Unlimited Thats great I run LC through my 556 rifle runs like a sewing machine 👍
Thanks stay safe brother
Can i do that with my xl650?
Not going to lie I was cringing a bit watching those bullets go up into the seating die barely balanced on the case mouth crooked lol. Never felt right doing that myself. I always try to get them in a little bit and straight before they go up into the die. Maybe that's just me being paranoid.
What die is being used on last station to expand case mouth?
You can tell this guy isn’t a gun guy. Keeps calling the cases, rounds.
I need to get into reloading. But man will it be expensive to get the equipment hahaha
That isn't going to stop me for long!
Seems easier to make .300 from 5.56 than recycle 5.56?
What is the name of that last die in the CP2000 with the heat treated rod?
you can use Lyman M Die to expanda neck just little bit. most of the people do so, either as because RT1500 and trim die makes neck slightly small, or because they are using flat base bullets (like I do). Also, Lyman M Die will also remove a burrs on edge of neck after trimming.
I have the Dillon RT-1500 on my XL750 to convert .223 into .300 blackout. But when I want to trim my cases they starting to spin like hell as soon as trimmer is touching the case. How can I prevent that?
You must use it with Dillon trim/sizing die
I have all this on my 650. U need to show and also talk about how when u are cutting the brass. U will need to periodically clean out the sweeper attachment. It's the worst part about whole process. I've tried slowing down, speeding up, and different shop vacs. It's gets to the the point to where it will not suck out Chips. Also the cutter gets wound up with brass. So your having to clean it out as well. I've did this to thousands of 223 brass.the process works great. & I'm a huge Dillon supporter, they are best in the business. I own 2 machines and wouldn't ever buy anything else. So don't get me wrong. It's just that people need to see all sides of this process.
I am new to reloading, can you recommend a good site to buy bullets, casings and primers?
223, 556 and 9mm
I buy only Berrys bullets. U can buy them online from them. And as far as primers powder etc...u can get good deals at cabelas/bass pro or at your local gun show probably best for that. Need help or questions hit me back or text me 765-327-1626 with anything Dillon related. I might be able help ya
@@Bobshell-tw8xy Hey B Hewitt, Thats awesome of you! Thanks. I checked their site but it looks like they might be out of 223/556 bullets. I will keep checking to see if they come back in stock. I've got your number saved!
@@LUVDATPUSPUS69 MidwayUSA, Grafs.com, MidSouth .... lots of places. Berry's makes good plinking stuff in common weights, but I much prefer Lehigh Defense bullets (twice the price) for bump in the night shooting. As far as reloading goes, .223 and 5.56 are identical. I use CCI primers. They go bang every time and their numbering system is sane. Cases? 90% or more of mine come from the range ... I SELDOM buy cases. Powder choices can be bewildering. I've had excellent results with CFE and TAC. Progressive presses don't handle rod or flake powder nearly as well as they do spherical. I have some Accurate 11-FS on the way to try out for .300 BLK.
I don't even own a .300 upper ... but I wanted to do something useful with the dented .223/5/56 I was accumulating buckets of.
Amazing piece of kit but don’t they clean the primer pockets?
I split up the operation. Picked up brass is wet tumbled and dried. I lube, size, swage, trim, and anneal as needed. Then I polish dry. Then, wet for a couple hours as needed. After drying then I load the clean, dry, and oil free cases. Using Dillon's priming system, the primers last forever. I ran across some that were loaded in 1987. Every shot worked perfectly.
no annealing?
I have been using a Dillon RL1050 and several 1050 Super since early 2000s.
The new CP2000 for case forming and trimming with the 1600 electric trimmer.
How will a Ponsness-Warren Power unit go with the CP2000???
Will a RL 1050 Motor go with the CP2000?
Looking to future...Tons ( sic) of .223/5,56 cases ( Range and Military) which can make both 300BK cases, and 7,62x25Tok/7,63Mauser ( both ball and blank cases) and .380ACP Blanks.
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Hope someone can share their knowledge here...Down Under. .a long way to Dillon's...last time 1999...Mike Dillon gave me the Royal Tour ( shop, assembly, Ammo store, M134 Miniguns, and Helo collection.
Sad to hear he passed in 2016.
DocAV AVBFILMGUNS Australia
you say the last station is a heat treated rod, it looks like a die. can you spell out what the die is, maybe the part number? Thanks. nice vid
Another name could be a neck tensioning die. When I prep my .223 brass, that is my final stage on my 1050.
What’s the very last die after trimming? Is that similar to the Lyman m die?
yea, I have the SAME question....
I'm hoping there will be suppressed full auto segment at the end of the video.
I have the XL750 is there a primer pocket swagger deal I can attach to my press?
Swage-it
@@HungryFatCats got it and love it!!!
@@burntman0331 That was quick! Makes life a breeze on 223/556
@@HungryFatCats yeah I mean I researched some more and found it a while ago. It is so awesome and love my Dillon wish I would have kept a little bit better log when I first started as to how many rounds I’ve loaded and their perspective loads but better late than never.
Can you install that brass cutter to DL1100? What is the purpose of cp2000?
Yes, you can run the 1500 on a DL 1100. IDK about the CP2000, maybe a new machine designed for automation?
Case prep only. It's quite a bit cheaper than the 1100 because it doesn't have a primer station.
1100? I thought you said the 2nd machine was the XL750?
Whats the difference between the rl1100 vs the super 1050?
An upgraded and improved cam in the base so it takes less effort operate.
Does this trim the case wall to the correct thickness? The 5.56 cases were never designed to be cut there, and the thicknesses vary from brass manufacturer to brass manufacturer. It cannot be greater than .014 or you run into chambering and overpressure issues.
Headstamp absolutely matters and you can find lists of which cases you can and cannot convert to 300blk without having to turn down the neck.
So how does this setup differ from the Mark VII Apex 10? With this is have to spend like $5k for a CP2000, case trimmer and forming does to prep the cases. Then the XL750 with all of its goodies to make 300AAC. Why not just install the case trimmer and the dies on a dedicated tool head with only the XL750? Prep the cases to 300AAC, change head and then make the 300AAC rounds.
You are way high on price. 1800.00 gets you the CP200 and another 500.00 gets you a Giraud trimmer which is smarter anyway. 60.00 gets you a mini chop saw with a jig. There is no way in hell to do 300 BO from 5.56 in one step anyway. Also you only lube when you prep cases not when you reload because that just makes a mess of things. I use two resizing dies when I prep in opposite stations, (1) and (5) and then I trim in my Giraud and then polish with dry corncob media to eliminate any lube residue. When I load my station (1) has a universal decapping die in it in case a piece of corncob is stuck in the primer hole. I use a powder check in station (5) at that point. I did 5000 rounds over two weekends. I use two Dillon 1050's and am going to get the CP2000 to eliminate changeover. I'm just a hobbyist and am way north of 30,000 rounds at this point. Dillon makes a great product and the CP2000 came about simply because changeovers are the pits. I also cast my own bullets because the 300 BO is at it's best subsonic. Bullets in the 210 to 240 grain range.
So in theory with these two machines set up you could almost be using one in each arm and just be pumping out 300 blackout for how every long your arms last.
WackoZacko15 I need a new workout for my arms during this corona virus lockdown. 😏😂🤣
Erick Castro I can't even test my loads at my range as it's closed and not like I much more component left to make that much more anyway.
@@izaak1509 1) mail order 2) Trump said that ranges and gun stores were essential. You might live in a creepy state, but NC seems to still be functioning.
Were would i get this machine from rl1100
11 month wait from Dillon.
The Dillon RT-1500 power trimmer does not make it as simple as stated. Even with a strong shop vac the brass collects around the shaft of the trimmer like steel wool and you must stop and take apart the vacuum module and remove the brass trimmings with needle-nose pliers before continuing after every 100 - 200 cases as reported by Dillon. “The nature of the beast” was the term used.
Major Issue:
The trimmer will resize and trim resized length, however stopping and cleaning brass strings and chips are necessary.
Next Issue 1A:
All head stamps case walls are not the same. Once resized and trimmed the former 223 or 5.56 case walls are not the same thickness and will ultimately become the case neck. CASE NECKS MUST be resized by standard die OR USE A 308 Mandrel to resize case mouth opening prior to loading and inserting bullet projectiles. Many of the reformed cases will have necks too thick to load with a .308 bullet and still chamber in a 300 Blk Out weapon without jamming in the chamber. Possibility exists it may take a gun smith to remove chamber jamb. THERE IS METHODS OF CASE PREP TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE.
Next Issue 1B:
A case neck trimmer such as the “Hornady” after case is resized and trimmed to length then trim excess diameter to loadable thickness of maximum .0135 side wall thickness. Note it is best to resize once more prior to loading to verify neck uniformity as neck trimming can cause some deviations, not necessarily consistently.
Next Issue 2:
When trimming a problem of a ridge is created around the inside and outside the mouth opening. The heat of the brass during length Dillon trimming and resizing creates the ridge and is hardened by the heat of trimming. These ridges can create scoring of the bullet being seated, and can cause chamber jamb the neck trimming does not always remove as bullet has not yet expanded the mouth opening. The heated brass can be stubborn to remove on outside mouth more than inside.
What keeps the brass from spinning as you cut it?
The blade is moving so fast, it wouldn't matter if it was spinning.
@@DillonPrecisionVideo well thats not entirely correct. I'm not trolling, I have the set up on a xl650. I asked the question after I tried making a few pieces. I had first run the brass through the die without the trimmer to just set the sizer up correctly for headspace. They I was gonna run them back through with the trimmer to set length. I'll say that didn't work! Thats why I asked the question because I was wondering why in was spinning the case, destroying the mouth and the head it was spinning it so fast. Now... The reason why it did this is because I had already formed the neck on the first pass, and the friction of the die forming the neck it what holds the case from spinning and destroying the case. So lesson learned, set it up as you wish, but if you do it like I did in two steps. Don't run the formed brass back through the trimmer. Just throw it in the recycling ben...lol
@@country6145 Very interesting. Call our technician at 800 223 4570 to get a better idea on what might be happening.
@@country6145 you’re right. I had this same idea when I first started making 300 Blackout brass. It’s the tension in the die that holds it in place during the trimming process. I have a two die set. First is a roughing die, then a finish die. I also have an aftermarket tool head made by GSI. The vacuum hose connects directly to it and it is belled and ported for air flow.
Could this be used to make 7.62x25 brass with different dies and a trimmer gauge?
Hypothetically you can if you had the right trim die, it is possible.
Do you need to de-burr the cases after trimming or is that done, too.
Yeah, the trimmer is leaving a LOT of burrs on those cases from what I am seeing. I even saw a few with attached ribbons of brass. From what I saw, the lip of each trimmed case was sub-optimal. For some people that may be good enough though.
The best setup I have seen for this is to use a modified Bosch router in station 3 to get the .223 brass down to height and then the Dillon 1500 and trim die to do the final shaping and cutting of the mouth of the brass in station 6. If i was going to do a lot of these resizings to 300, that is the setup I'd get.
I need to debur either by steel pin tumble or a case prep machine. But Yes, IMHO.
@@michael84003 Harbor Freight now sells ceramic triangle media and claim it's good for deburring in a vibratory tumbler.
Now how much for the 2 complete set ups total about 2,000.00?
Lol closer to 5k
I need a [300 HAM'R] trimmer die.
What is the part number for the .223 to 300 blk conversion, can't find it anywhere on ur site
The rt1500 case trimmer
Or the 300bo trim die #62140
Hope this helps
Dillon. The next hornady.
Actually, we do not plan on making factory ammunition for sale anytime soon. That said, we will continue to make the most reliable and in demand progressive reloading machines on the market.
@@DillonPrecisionVideo Yes; good to hear for keeping it simple and accessible for the mass!
Is there a budget or peasant model? Looks very expensive?
Of course. Our RL550 Machine starts at $550.
Cannot get those components today, shame.
2.066 inches, not great, not terrible
Just buy 300 bo brass. I am fine with my Dillon 550.
I use starline and my 550. Works fine 👌
so you form the brass on a 1600 dollar machine and then have another dillon for loading? OMFG! GREAT but cant find primers....
Plus, the RT1500 case trimmer is $375, the special short toolhead required is $250 plus the .300 AAC Trim die is $200. Got a vaccuum cleaner?
If you clean your room , empty litter box and sweep....you can get $10
bet you wish you hadn't wasted all that 556 lol
This young guy needs to clean up his words. "grab the rounds we made" Oil on cases? Many know what he means but it reveals a fundamental lack of knowledge and may confuse some. Having said that, I like seeing this new machine at work...thanks.
Nobody is confused by that and if you are then please..... Step away from reloading 😂. Oil is lube fyi. Maybe expand your vocabulary a bit.
I don't understand using case lube after case prep. why not re-size during case prep so you can tumble the brass prior to moving on to reloading the prepped cases? Or do you wipe the lube off the cases at the end of reloading?
@@ericedge525 It's because they were using a freaking resizing die instead of a universal decapping die when they were reloading. Big mistake that practically nullified the use of the CP2000. There are much cheaper ways to make a 300 BO case out of a 5.56 case
"how you make"....yeah just buy this $3000 press.....we're going to go off camera and do all the hard work, the measuring and verifying that really counts....then all you need to do it buy this $1500 press...have fairies come set up dies while you sleep. I'm just jealous.