How to fix your low testosterone (and hormones in general!).
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2024
- Throughout my training and practice as a physician, I have come to one very disappointing conclusion: Western medicine isn’t helping people lead better lives. Now that I’ve realized this, I’ve become obsessed with understanding what makes us healthy or ill. I want to live the best life I can and I want to be able to share this knowledge with others so that they can do the same. This podcast is the result of my relentless search to understand the roots of chronic disease. If you want to know how to live the most radical life possible I hope you’ll join me on this journey.
00:03:23 Podcast begins
00:05:19 Why is testosterone important?
00:06:44 Why are your hormones tanked?
00:08:39 Endocrine access for testosterone
00:14:30 Insulin resistance + decreased testosterone
00:23:06 High fiber, low fat diets negatively impacting testosterone
00:30:59 Stearic acid + odd chain fatty acids
00:34:39 Polyunsaturated fatty acids and DNA damage
00:39:09 The importance of Zinc and Copper in your diet
00:42:29 The importance of Vitamin A
00:47:49 Sun Exposure and libido
00:51:39 The effects of a ketogenic diet on hormones
00:52:31 Paul shares his testosterone levels + bloodwork before and after a ketogenic diet
00:53:59 Women’s hormones
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I was vegetarian for the first 16 years of my life, just cos my parents were. Then never ate much meat at all until i started the carnivore diet a month ago, im 29 now and my skin and muscle is regenerating. Ive got the best confidence and mental clarity of my life. It was weird for me eating meat as never ate a steak before and I am eating them very rare and they taste pretty good! hard to eat the fat on the side of the rump though, but when i do i get a nice warm flushed face and it feels good! anyone else get this?
When I add beef tallow to my butter, coconut oil, and raw milk coffee, my heart feels like the stroke volume ratchets up. Like it gets more flow per beat. And the fat falls off of the rest of me. I'm a BIG fan of beef fat / stearic acid.
I was a vegetarian for 30 years ( age 20-50). Eating beef was transformative. Like aging backwards as far as connective tissue and lean muscle mass goes.
You can cook the steak on its end for like 5-10 minutes just searing the fat and o find it tastes way better.
@@The_Scouts_Code thanks, I'll try that. When it's not cooked the adipose texture kind of creeps me out
@@marius2k8hahaha love it
Avoiding plastic is also crucial for hormones. Lifting heavy will also stimulate the body to produce more testosterone (not so heavy that you get injured obviously, but ideally you should get close to muscular failure for max stimulation)
Or lift more until failure, volume
Duncan French testosterone training protocol:
compound movement (like squat, deadlift, bench press, etc.), single session. 2x/week max.
6 sets of 10 repetitions (even lighten weight to get up to 10 in later sets) with 2m (120s) rest between sets.
Even my grade fed ribeye comes in plastic ?? Can't avoid it
@@IDrop76the x3 bar helps with this
Yes. Please make a podcast about the impact of testosterone therapy on the human body's ability to function in general, and to regain it's own endogenous production of testosterone in particular. Thanks Doc! This was a good one!👍👍
Such an amazing podcast Dr. Paul. Been following your journey for almost 2 years now. I myself, was suffering from massive GI issues and low T at only 35 years old, despite working out and keeping to a relatively healthy lifestyle. Went carnivore for a few months and slowly tried to add things back into the diet. It’s been a bit of trial and error but I’m off testosterone with zero issues. I now eat meat, and fruits only, along with organ supplements and it’s like magic! I feel great, I have a good sex drive, and I genuinely feel happy and energized. Thank you for all that you do!
How long were you on testosterone and are you saying that the animal based diet helped you recover?
What are your testosterone levels looking like now versus before? And can you go over what supplements, foods you eat specifically?
I went from 334 to 960 in around 3 months all natural no TRT. Follwing the testosterone diet. This book should be essential reading for all men. Written by a 50s guy with natural T levels of a 20s guy
Complete guide to testosterone by james Francis
THIS WAS PURE GOLD!!! As a former Keto-Vore, I also experienced adverse issues with my hormones. (Note: get your blood work done, people!) But once I added back in some carbs (approximately 30% of my daily intake), my levels across the board significantly improved. That said, I still take Boron daily -- 6mg -- because I personally think (a) that's the right dose for me and (b) I just can't eat the five or six pounds of bananas/apples/honey it'd take to get that dosage. (For those still seeing suboptimal SHBG numbers on an animal-based w/carbs diet, don't feel bad about supplementing with Boron. Your body -- and dare I suggest your significant other? -- will be thankful for it.)
Just started listening to this episode and want you to know I am a woman and YES I'm interested in testosterone- and am an avid listener of your podcasts. Thank you for sharing all of your knowledge and helping others learn how to thrive.
PLEASE do a separate video on female hormones! 🙏🏼
YES!!!
YES PLEASE!
Yeah please do!
Yes please for the podcast on female hormones, let’s be informed about the libido 🥳 All hail offal 🙇🏻♀️ lol rat balls 🤣 sending love and appreciation from South Africa 🇿🇦
You are truly a good doctor! Love your work. Love your transparency. Love your efforts. Love how you’re not dogmatic and always humbly learning. Love how you choose to do work that’s worthwhile and helping many! You are one of a kind. Keep up the great work. Thank you 🙏
Yes, please have a podcast on women's hormones as alot of us are on or have been on the pill which we all know messes up our hormone levels and many other things in our body. Would be great to learn what to do when you're on them and how to "fix" your body once your off. And also what tests will give us an accurate picture of all our levels and what we should test for
He should do one on the benefits of a vegan diet as well
None of us care about female hormones
Thank you! A women's focused version would be great 🙏🌸
I've got a ways to go, but I doubled my T from the mid 300s to the high 600s despite having Dacron in my heart causing a constant hormone disruption. Modified ketovore is definitely the way to go.
Let us know how u did it
Yeah
What was your diet
As the table in the video shows, raisins and dates (and honey) are an easy and delicious way to get boron and other minerals into your diet. They complement many animal foods well, too.
Yes please! “Screaming” (nicely)at you for podcast on women’s hormones!! 👍thank you 🙏
Greatly appreciate this topic and stressing the importance of T for women. As an FNTP, I refer many women to your Whole Package supplement.
Whole Package instead of the Her Package? In what instance would you refer your female patients to the Her Package as opposed to the Whole Package? I have the Whole Package for my teen son and husband, and have thought about taking it myself - but not sure if it’ll be bad for me, as I have no clue what my official hormone levels are, other than being in menopause
T often runs low in women as well, and is important for us for many reasons, Paul discusses this. It certainly helps to maintain muscle mass for one. Paul also has mentioned that it is completely ok for women to take the Whole Pkg. supplement. I had wondered that as well.
His skin is glowing. I’ll listen to whatever he says.
Too bad you don't read TH-cam comments but if you do let me tell you: you're doing God's work. I can't even express my gratitude for you.
How can a proposal for a topic be communicated to Paul?
I would want his take on how reversible are different kinds of damage caused by inadequate nutrition in childhood.
I see very many damaged kids who get fed like cockroaches and it makes me think about where the line is for considering some deformation/underdevelopment practically irrepairable.
I second this. I was a fed a disgusting, nutrient deplete, high sugar/PUFA diet as a kid. Who knows if I’ll suffer long term damage from the years of awful nutrition during the formative years of my life. I still resent my parents to this day for feeding me that shit.
I third this. I was grown up on junk food and the worst processed shit you can imagine. I often didn't even eat any real food for a few days straight. I lived on candies, chips and soda. It's no wonder I have serious issues with my gut now.
Yeah, same here except for the resentment part. My parents just didn't know about eating healthy when I was young. They got a lot better when I was older and especially when I started at the gym but even then it was what mainstream said was healthy and it was heavy veggies. I'm 53 and only now realizing the lie. I'm on Day 17 of a planned 90 day carnivore and then I'll look into honey and fruit.
Had to slow down playback speed to understand, but essential information. Thanks
Using the units "grams" along with "ounce" will be great to easily visualise the quantity without calculating. Kindly use SI units for non American listeners ! 😀
Exceptional podcast sir! Thank you for taking the time to sit down and hash out all the discrepancies behind what makes testosterone function, appropriately! Loving the Whole Package supplements. Canada is almost anti organ. Only can access Liver, Kidney, Heart and sometimes Suet but I have tons of local competition to buy them all (besides liver, for some reason).
What about microplastics and endocrine disruptor from packaging? These surely have an impact on testosterone, please review that too mr. Saladino
When I graduated from medical school, the upper range for testosterone in men was 1,200. Now some labs have the upper range at 790. For women, depending on the lab, the range is 10-60. For men, I like to see the testosterone between 700-1,200, and women 70-130. With men, the amount of nightly erections and morning erection they have is the determining factor, usually. Men need to have their estradiol between 20-30. Women should have their FSH
I tested 220 as a vegan and at the time i had no idea it was bad, and the doctors were not very concerned. insane
Hey Jake, great intake. At the 45min marker, Paul talks about zinc copper imbalances. As an MD, what type of copper would you recommend to supplement with, when taking a zinc orotate supplement? Thanks
@@absolutefreddyg Copper sebacate, then copper gycenate
@@timothypsaradelis4196 Get Homo Optimus pdf by Jan Kwasniewski for free. He has recipes at the back of his book.
copper glycenate
I was an extreme lat bloomer, I told the doctors and all they said was “wait or get hormone therapy”. I asked them what foods I should eat and what my lifestyle should look like and they said there’s nothing to do.
I bought the carnivore cookbook, but I feel confused about some of the recipes having vegetables that you have said to avoid, such as carrots. Would you please clear this up for me?
“Humans don’t necessarily feel horny after eating salads” Paul Saladino. Had me rollin! Lol
What do think of Brazil nuts, mostly selenium
Paul I’m finding myself in trouble while I’m searching for a reliable company to check my testosterone and overall health in Europe. Any recommendations?
Yes! Please do feel hormones! I'm 29 and menopausal due to pre-mature ovarian failure. I've been to several doctors and all the want to do is put me on Birth Control which I refuse!
I love Paul but I reached out to him several years ago for some help with my clinical low T and after initially offering some recommendations he blew me off. I tried for years to get my TT and FT up. Nothing helped. Ultimately I decided to start TRT and it was the best decision of my life. Moral of the story, sometimes the only remedies caused by a modern world is modern medicine. No shame. I still eat animal based with plenty of organs. Living my best life.
We’re you a paying client?
I have a good diet, lots of vitamins and tried many herbs.
Nothing improved sensibly my T. Its not that bad. But nothing improved in a relevant way.
@@eduardoaugustosilvestre724 yea the only thing that remotely worked was 12mg of boron. Started getting morning wood again. But it was short lived.
@@geekspeak1066 interesting..i used boron but only 3mg to 6mg, i'm gonna try it
"But it was short lived". LOL
Dont eat "plenty" of organs on carnivore. Just dont.
I have started eating lots and lots of grass fed beef Tallow that we get off of Amazon, and I got rid of all the seed oils in my diet, and I've started eating some liver, and I've gone back to eating fruit after three years of being keto, and I feel amazing. Keto / carnivore without the liver wasn't hitting a certain spot, and now I'm just addicted to the liver. And I've got all this energy now, so I started lifting weights again, and it's just amazing. Going keto was a huge step, and then going carnivore was a huge step, but totally getting rid of all the rest of the linoleic acid, and adding in organs, and adding lots of beef fat to everything, has just been like going keto all over again. And weight that I didn't know I had to lose fell off... It's incredible.
I consume an awful, awful lot of calf liver, egg yolks, sardines, and beef Tallow these days.
But can’t you have TOO much liver? I add a bunch of ghee of my beef and I feel fine and more energetic. I feel like shit eating an apple tho but that’s just me. I also eat liver but in the carnivore crisps is that the same basically ?
We need a video on women’s hormones!!
What's far more important is the free Testosterone. The video title should be optimizing free Testosterone.
Shout out that you are a real scientist able to let go false Hypothesis. Respect from my side.
I was also puberty/developmentally delayed, raised vegetarian & eating cereal and lots of peanut butter. I still love peanut butter! Do I have to give that up? 😆
I got on TRT with 650 test. I didn't need it. It's been nearly a year. I may stop, I titrated down to 120mg/wk. I was just trying to optimize - hoping for more energy. I have gotten none of that...
i will take back any negative thing i said about you because you have kept your type 2's in mind here...please keep doing so...appreciated
Hi Paul, any advise on a good grass fed, grass finished desiccated organs brand for a follower living in Europe? I tried several times buying yours but Europe as last destination is an issue when it comes to customs clearance. Appreciated
You know another good company as far as I'm concerned they're one of the best New Zealand Ancestral grass-fed grass-finished organs and their stuff is super high quality they have 0 fillers and there's and that's what you really need and you should really want because beef that's grass-fed and grass-finished organs are absolutely the best part of the animal as far as health is concerned I agree with you 100% 💪💪💪💪
This is crazy Paul!! I have a feeling here in a year or so this will all change for you…. I think the balanced diet approach is best.
Eat Whole Foods , fruits , veggies. Stay away from processed food . Get sunshine, lift weights.
Make sure you’re eating enough and not always in. Deficit . Matinnence calories is where it’s at .
I don't think so he's one of the few real scientist able to change and develop may some things will change but this is OK. We aren't at the end with research in diet we are in the phase of great leap forwards surely in some years we will have some more stable tenets what a optimal diet is. At the end diet is science not religion.
What's the best way to test testosterone and how often should you have it tested?
even if you dont eat grass fed its still healthy and better than eating process crap or plan based whole foods which are not even whole food there incomplete foods
Man, I wish you’d get that sunscreen done quick! Summer is coming! My ability to handle sun, sunscreen or not, is sooooo much better since going carnivore. A total unexpected benefit! But I am not good enough yet to hang out in beach sun with no sunscreen whatsoever. So looking forward to your new product!
My testosterone was lower than the normal range when I was eating a lot of meat. Less than a year ago I switched to a vegan diet and now my testosterone is 554 which is smack in the middle of the normal range. I barely exercise other than staying active at work.
"...half ounce or 1 ounce of liver a day..."
6 ounces a week is 170g
only this ?
is there a place where you talk about the quantities ?
I don't currently have access to raw milk, I make goats milk kefir from full fat pasteurized milk. Any thoughts on drinking this? It does seem to work for me. I could never tolerate pasteurized milk. Does milk affect Testosterone? Thanks for all of your great work.
Next video for female hormones please
More Plates More Dates
colab?
Great information! Thanks for doing this topic. 👍
Paul this are the goats you get milk from grain fed? Everywhere i look i can only find part grass fed raw goat milk.
re: Protein per day. So many numbers out there on ideal grams of protein per day. 0.8 to 1.5 g/lb body weight. that's a big range. How do we know what's ideal, how much can the body process without becoming a burden on the system? Does fat:protein ratio play a role?
The less protein you eat the higher your T, assuming you are still in a net nitrogen surplus.
As he just said fat and protein play a crucial role in hormones. I would suggest ghee and coconut oil. Don't be too concerned with macros. Eat until your full. Your body knows. Listen to it. But avoid anything processed, artificial, etc. Because that can counteract the benefits of the Healthy food you ingest. If you trying to gain muscle or I would focus on and 3/2/1 fat/protein/card diet. And eat a little bit more after your already full. Stop eating 2 hrs before bed and drink black coffee, green tea, or water in the morning a CPL hrs before your first meal to break the fast. Vitamins and minerals are vital in the synthesization of protein and every other process. Don't over think just do what you can to learn what dynamic of food and habits and most optimal for you and make adjustments overtime and soon you'll know by how you feel, look, and function that your on the right track! Hope I could help 😊 🙏
Please speak on hormone balancing for women!
eat whole foods. not processed. grassfed, regenerative raised meats & organs. beef tallow. ghee. organic, unhybridised fruits and berries. raw honey which is gluphosate free. and your hormones will balance with time.
Hi🌞 I am a women and would love to order Heart n Soil, but it’s not available in Europe, or is it? would be great😉
Everyone should look into TRT. Lots of great long term success stories on it.
First thought is are you single. All the
talk about your healthy libido has me feeling amorous. In society today so many men have no drive! I’m passing the video to friends. Thanks for sharing you knowledge!😻
You mean your access to Chad is low.
Great video - I have a question maybe someone can help me with. After a series of bloodwork it appears my body isnt converting Cholesterol into Pregnenelone like it should be. Any idea on how to fix this?
Derek from More plates more dates. beep beep!
Great video. Thanks Paul
Could you explain how a low fiber diet could affect colon health? I’m 53. Had a colonoscopy a couple years ago and I came back with a couple pre-cancerous polyps. The doctor’s recommendation was to drastically increase my fiber intake.
See Anthony Chaffee for advice on this
Dr Saladino, when carnivore/keto or very low carb, are still calories eaten a problem for testosterone if they are too low?
Doesn't the problem subside when insulin is low and you can get calories from your own fat storages (and therefore the body has plenty of them)?
Or does the body still decide to tank testosterone if external calories eaten are low?
you need to eat. the leaner you are the more and more frequently you need to eat.
@@ascendtoaesthetics yes, I'm aware of that already, I was hoping for more of an explanation... If you would like to.
The answer is probably yes. Incoming calories signal it's growth time and that energy is abundant for procreation. The opposite is true as well, women don't get pregnant easily if they're starving, and men's sex drive is trash when starved too.
@@nocturne3455 so "incoming calories" from stored fats don't count?
@@YouNolf That would imply that the body somehow doesn't know when its running on its own fuel vs. when it's finding external energy. The body's response to eating food vs just fasting for a few days is very different so that's unlikely to be the case.
Can I take any testosterone after Estrogen/progesterone driven breast cancer and 6 grueling years on Tamoxifen. I know I will need to consult with my oncologist. Just interested if it’s anything I can consider.
Thank you for ALL your great work.
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You never talked about how you can tell by your bloodwork that you have sleeping problem. You mentioned in the beginning of the video but never went over it.
What kind of liver? Only beef? Is chicken liver the same?
What's the increased risk in UTI for both men and women? Thinkin I am getting one (second one in my 50yrs)...this has been my only change - so curious.
yes..please..on your take/research on hormones for women!! your thoughts on the wiley protocal?
Hey doc, been studying nutrition a long time now (independently) and I appreciate the knowledge. How do you feel Abt things such as sweet potatoes which I see as a super food!???
What if you're on TRT, is there a way to reverse the effects on human body or do you have to stay on TRT?
Great video. Very informative
i recently lowered fat in my diet and feel much better. Not sure why, but fat gives me indigestion which has major cascading effects
Saturated fat increases serotonin and lowers dopamine, because it is the most satiating food there is, back in nature, meat was a reward, not a staple. People would only be able to eat meat like once every few days, do you really think they were hunting 3 times a day non stop just eating meat like lions. No, they ate fruit and other stuff. And saturated fat tells the brain that you are fully satisfied, leading to tiredness and laziness (your brain thinks you achieved everything because you have given yourself the ultimate reward)
Indigestion from saturated fat means you are lacking stomach acid (HCL). When you lack stomach acid, your liver will not produce enough bile to break down the fat. Try taking some raw apple cider vinegar to boost stomach acid.
If you supplement with boron 6 mg, do you need to cycle it? I have read that it is better to do so, two weeks on and one week off. Is that correct?
In this video you mentioned doing one specific to women & hormones/testosterone levels. Did you eventually do that? If so, can you share?
Absolutely fascinating
Could his teeth be any whiter? Mine did the same thing in 17 days of carnivore.
I've been keto/carnivore for several years. My mother sent me an article on a "new study" saying high protein diets cause massive reduction in testosterone. When I saw the title of this video, I thought great! I can send her this. Unfortunately you started it with a sales pitch... she'll never listen beyond minute 2.
you can share the link with the "start at" feature and skip the sales pitch
that should be pretty easy to debunk on its own without this video... all those studies show is an inappropriately high protein ratio reduces hormones which is DUH. protein doesn't lower testosterone it's lacking other nutrients that you've replaced
This answered a question. Thanks
@@michaelousley6552thanks bruh I’ve been trying to figure this out ALL DAY LONG. Almost gave up but kept looking for answers
Is there a list of all the good fruit that Paul thinks is safe to eat? Are there any veggies he considers fine to eat?
please tips on optimizing on GFR
Dear Dr Saladino, greatly appreciate all your videos, wanted to ask you if its possible to get those supplements if I'm in Ireland, that site that you have left a link don't deliver to Europe, thank you.
No can't get them in Ireland ☘️ but we have great meat and Eggs so you be grand 👍
Can the carrier oils and preservatives that testosterone is suspended in for Testosterone replacement therapy cause problems?
*Is D3 supplementation the same as sunshine?* I’ve been inside for 2 years at home now, and I’ve had barely any sunlight exposure. But my vitamin D levels are decent from D3 supplementation.
Sunshine alone will never ever provide enough vitamin D unless you move to the equator.
Which blood testing facility did you use for your most recent bloodwork?
Is it possible that estrogen in raw milk inhibit leydig cells production?
Dr. Saladino, is it true that testosterone levels in men peak in October and dip in April?
What about long term effects of bioidentical testosterone for pre menopausal women who had partial hysterectomy ?
this guy is tha GOAT
You didn't cover sleep much. Can you share some information on this?
Do you eat once a day or twice?
Is that true you eat once day like meats or liver than papaya/ananas plus honey?
Thanks Paul! Besides from organs, what type of copper should we take when supplementing with zinc? Thank you
Copper glycinate
Is this the most bioavailable? Thanks
@@absolutefreddyg it is bioavailable due to being chelated with glycine. But it also has the lowest possibility of causing oxidation and free radicals when reacting with other metals, atleast thats what i was told. So don't take a random persons word on it lol. Its worked well in my experience though, much much better than consuming liver for copper
When are heart and soil abke to ship to Australia and do you know of a Australian company i can get some good quality organ supls ??
How much carbohydrates do you recommend to eat
Zero.
@@XLeo1976 why?
If ur metabolically healthy u could have up to 200 that's if carbs make u feel good if ur not metabolically healthy don't have carbs I personally don't have more then 75 carbs tops most days I'm carnivore I just mix bone marrow in with berries
100 if i workout. 50 if not.
50% fat. 30% protein. 20% carbs. having zero carbs in your diet will cause heart palpitations in the future. your body should being going in and out of a state of ketosis not stay in it 24/7/365. Carbs are not bad for you. just eat the carbs that your body tolerates the same as eating the meat and organs your body tolerates. If you're not thriving now change your diet. if you are. don't change anything
Hi paul what are your thoughts on pine pollen for increased testosterone
Thank you!
A video on TRT gets 1M views.. this video only has 50k views. 😔
Dr. JACK Kruse has tons if research on the sun and whole body exposure
Hey, do you ship your supplements internationally?
Hi Saladino, I'm an ex vegan (3 years vegan) and I use to have gut issue who seam to get cure by an animal base diet but I also use to have good level of testosterone and libido and now it's dropping on my current animal base/low carb diet ? Does it mean I should eat more fruit and potatoes to replace the grains? Or is it just a temporary state ? Thanks for your time
Are your foods grassfed and organic? Are you eating the RIGHT fruits? I would recommend doses of ghee and coconut oil( the right kinds) daily I'm oatmeal or shake. Ok I'm not the doc but hope that helps.
English language is complicated. We have ONE word for Meat, Flesh and Carnal in spanish: CARNE
Hey Paul I really want to purchase your products plz include india in the shipping list
I keep hearing you claim that processed sugars are bad but honey and fruit is good. I have probably missed some videos of yours but I still have not found these videos in which you explain or prove that honey or fruit is good while processed sugars are bad. Could you give me the name or link of a video where you explain/prove this?
Are there any substances in honey that somehow negate the negative effects of the sugar in honey (fructose + glucose) compared to "processed" sugar (fructose + glucose)? Is it the small ratio difference between the fructose and glucose that does it (50/50 in processed sugar vs. 40/30 in honey)? Wouldn't honey still cause glycation? What about carb/sugar addiction?
I forget what video where he talks about sugar. I don’t think he is saying the molecular structure of sugar in honey is good and the molecular structure in table sugar are bad. They both have sucrose and I think honey actually has more fructose. He is saying what makes sugar “better” in honey and fruit is because it is within a food matrix.
That’s his argument I believe l, anyone can correct me if I am off.
@@Fishthe406 True, I have heard that several times. I'll try to find a video where he explains what it is and how it makes the sugar in honey good while processed sugar is bad.
I just tried to order but you don't deliver to the Philippines.
He doesn't ship internationally yet.
Buy fresh, grass-fed or pastured and organic organs and actually cook them -- add beef liver and/or heart to hamburger meat is a good recipe. Make chopped chicken livers, recipe online on TH-cam. It's a great sandwich on rye bread with lettuce and tomato. Go and get Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon for more recipes. It's a fabulous book.