I have no favorites here, but I do have a couple of observations that make me tend to favor SVB on this one. It's a tough situation for both without a ref to make a decision. At 1:08:26 you can see on the video that Johnny's sleeve is hanging down extremely close to the seven ball as he shoots. I can't tell definitively whether he touches the seven or not. However, afterwards when they are discussing it, Johnny gets down and simulates how he made the shot with his elbow and shirt sleeve way clear of the 7 seven ball (kind of fishy to me). SVB then pushes his arm and bridge hand to a closer position that really aligned with where he made the shot. I don't think we can argue whether he truly fouled. However, I kind of wonder why he was wearing a jacket with the loose sleeves that hung down a little past his arm and wasn't cognizant of that during his shot. It's comparable to someone with long hair letting it hang down on the table or someone wearing a shirt that hangs down in the front. I've seen Johnny in the past very careful about not letting his shirt touch balls he's bridging over, why didn't he do the same here (pull up his sleeve or something like it) so SVB or anyone else was not in question. Just my two cents.
Archer has a 'win-at-any-cost' mentality, and i've seen him (and Mike Dechaine) pull plenty of crap on others. Unsportsmanlike conduct is his stock in trade. So, i'm glad any time he gets caught and legitimately called when he's wrong. The fact that the call is made by one of the more upstanding players in the game is just icing on the cake, for me.
@@marginality270 just curious, is the foul because of Archers sleeve touching the ball, or does the ball need to move? Because to me it looked like Archers sleeve may have touched the ball but not move the ball.
@@bgjb-r1499 Generally, touching is all that's necessary for a foul. (If it's not a WPA-sanctioned event, the tournament director can modify the rules and tell everyone beforehand what different rules they're playing by.) If there's no dedicated referee working their table, as in this case, the players can agree to play "Cue ball fouls only", if they want to. Especially since Archer lied so badly about where his hands were during the shot after he was called out, i'm glad that SVB didn't want to.
People in here are angry at SVB for this, but at their level, 6-4 is nothing, winner break format, Archer is world class, he can easily run 5 racks for the win. He is also world class enough to know to check your shot before our play. If you watch ANY professional shoot over a ball, they first get down, look down, check the space, get up, step back, realign and get down again. Archer did not do this time, maybe he is just getting old, but he skipped his shot routine. You can not hate SVB for calling a foul. This is his job and if he loses he doesn't get paid. SVB also knows how good Archer is, seeing him make that 2 ball in the side with good draw and shape on the 3 was a big confidence booster that would have lead to him running 5 racks and taking the win, which is also why I think he skipped his routine on the 7 and why SVB called him out on it.
I think you're right. The tournament director seems to be relying too much on players' integrity. That actually works for most players. But, then you have players like Archer and Dechaine,, who obviously don't have any integrity.
If the rule is "touching the ball", Archer clearly fouled, and his sleeve was touching after the cue ball was launched. Van Boening was within his rights to call the foul. Since the ball didn't move, I would have given Archer a warning and let it go, but the rules are the rules. Archer should have called for a referee. He was shooting well; the match was far from over. It seems he let his emotions take charge, but I guess, who _can't_ relate to that lol. He should have finished the match though, out of respect for the fans if nothing else.
I would never conceed a match.. unless I felt like I was cheated and I'm sure that's how Johnny feels... If you need to win that badly, there you go.. much respect Johnny!
I'm pretty confused on why people are mad at Shane. If a ref was sitting there the same thing would have happened. The foul would have been called and Shane would have ran out regardless. Johnny has played long enough that he should be capable of paying attention to his sleeves. I've watched numerous matches of his over the last few years where he's been called for his sleeves or shirt hitting a ball. He's a pro. He shouldn't still have the problem if he gives a shit
Rules are made to clarify the game. Be of help in avoiding disputes. Not letting an unfair advantage to occur or to correct it if it happens by. intent or accident. Sportsmanship the way all games should be played. Rules are made to help achieve harmony and friendly relations not to interfere and cause disharmony. I believe Johnny never felt the touch of it did happen! The ball never moved! I agree with Johnny I would also would have conceded. I have done so I the past. Said I miscued intentionally under different rules.
it's not as cool to win a match calling a foul on someone for that, but it really should be enforced. i hate to admit that i've avoided calling a foul on myself in an "important" match, but one of the comments points out at 9:11, johnny fully aware of himself touching the ball and did not hold himself accountable. no hate against johnny, but shane was right to call a foul when he saw it. that's just the rules. and if johnny could have been accountable for himself, he would have called the foul on himself at 9:11. so if someone fouls, it's not like there's no recourse. players either have to call foul on themselves, or they're opponent is allowed to call it like they see it.
no its not a shitty move.. the reason johnny conceded its cuz he doesn't think he hit the ball if he had access to the replay then he wouldn't act like a cry baby about it. its all ball foul and your fault for wearing a baggy sleeve
They spent too much time on those diagonal camera angles in this match. I hope it doesn't become a habit. One of the things that TSC has over other presentations is the good camera work (when they're paying attention), without needlessly switching angles too much. Diagonal and table-level camera shots are not useful, in most cases.
Yes he did, but he hadn't taken the shot yet. He stood up after touching the 6 ball. The opposing player then has the option of leaving the 6 ball where it is, or moving it back to where it was before it was touched. It didn't move when touched, and SVB was okay with leaving it where it lay, so Archer continued on with his shot. There is no foul. At 1:08:24, while Archer was getting ready to shoot the 4 ball, his shirt sleeve touched the 7 ball, and remained touching it when the cueball was launched. That is a foul. It's ball in hand for SVB. If I were Archer I would have given SVB ball in hand, but I wouldn't have conceded the match. I would have let it play out.
yeah just a slower rolled, rolling forward shot, with some inside English, and that why that cue ball from this angle appears to pop off the rail as it did. Soft shot, no skid or nothing, let along draw or even stun to get it to drag a moment before it pick up forward. it all feel, just mess with you draw shots and what not.
Yeah on that shot with a weak draw shot/stun shot, that drags into rolling forward (also slowing the cue ball down) I feel it would be hard to not get a lot of pop off the 1 ball, because there aint as much forward on it. He don't want to come up table, so he need a lot of forward to ball speed ratio, so minimal pop off the side of the 1, and as much roll forward as possible, so a soft shot, that is geared to the table as soon as possible, rolling nice and smooth, and that roll is the best forward for that type of shot. Harder shot it's gonna pop off the 1 ball and come higher up towards side pockets. May have been strait forward no inside English too. Too hard to tell from cameras some stuff like that, only the shooter really knows what they got on it. But you can guess from the cue ball action, what it had to have been, but if you aren't very good with cue ball, then likewise you prob guessing wronger then others, but that's pool.
I watched and rewatched the alleged foul from Archer on the 7 ball. I can't see it move. Terrible camera angle to see IF the shirt dangles and touches the ball, though. The worst thing, IMO, is a hall of fame guy (Archer) conceding the rest of the match. That just seems like he is a poor sport. I get being mad about the foul call, but at that level he should have sucked it up and finished the match. I'm not in his shoes but that is what I think - I may be wrong.
He'd be too pissed off to concentrate on the rest of the match. I watched it numerous times at the highest definition and can say with certainty that it did NOT move. But as you said we can't tell if his sleeve feathered the ball(probably did, and rules are rules especially in tournaments like this). EDIT: where's the freaking ref when you need it anyway lol
@@somethingtrulyhorrifying isn't the rules in pro events though the any touch is a foul? Like the 2019 U.S. Open, where Wu Qia Qin (hope I'm spelling it right) tapped I think the 4 ball with his cue in the last rack, even though it didn't move it still was a foul? (Please correct me if I'm wrong, this is a genuine question)
Their talking, per se, doesn't bother me as much as their talking without watching the match. Seems like there's always something that happens in a game (like Archer's fouls) that we need some insight on and the commentators are all asking themselves what happened, because they didn't see as much as we did.
Shane is already leading, the ball has not moved from where we can see. Referee should have been present.. but give the hall of famer the benefit of the doubt! Poor sportsmanship, uncharacteristic of Shane
Shane could've stopped him &told him he was touching the 7-ball before he shot..that's the proper/respectful/non-tickytack thing to do in this case I think...&Archer should've pulled up his sleeve to avoid the potential foul.
@@ethanletzer3507 That's right..they play it that way at this venue..but if you tell him he's touching the ball before he shoots then he wouldn't foul and you wouldn't be winning on a technicality.
Once again, commentators enthusiastically talk about everything other than the actual pool game in front of them. Should get Danny D. back, or Jeremy Jones, or other quality commentators.
I think Jeremy was one of the commentators. It sure sounded like him. Of course the other commentators just trampled over anything he said with their BS rhetoric, so that made watching the match not as enjoyable. Love JJ.
That 7 didnt move and eff svb for saying it did...but they couldve had a side bet we dont know about. Either way i wouldve loved to see this play out legit...they both shoot great.
2010 the census says just over 6,000 inhabit the town of Verona, NY. No wonder nobody is watching this game. Empty seats everywhere. I wonder how it makes sense to play a professional tournament in a town that small. And the table directly behind Johnny and Shane has a couple of players that, let's just say play on a level substantially lower than any professional player I've ever seen. I played on the APA league from year 1 to year 4 of its existence, a LONG time ago and from what I've seen those two players would have been rated anywhere from a 4 to a 5 and perhaps a very weak 6 if they are having an off day here.
It was supposed to be a race to 9 but Johnny got so upset at SVB that he just conceded the match. Wether he touched the ball or isn't important. We all know the significance that millimeter would have mattered here and these players play the same circuits so I'm really disappointed that SVB even called it but again I don't know the whole history.
So you want SVB to pass on a foul out of respect but Johnny should call the foul on himself out of respect...oh he didn't feel his shirt toughing the ball. SVB was correct and professional
Shane's body language spoke loud and clear after that foul call; he just wanted the win regardless of how. I have never watched either of these gentlemen play the game but after this show of BS I can confidently say I'm not a fan of his.
@@hooty8612 You need better glasses. He didn't _clearly_ touch it, but I can tell you he *clearly* didn't move it. If anything his sleeve touched it which is BS to call a foul when the ball didn't even move.
@@somethingtrulyhorrifying Since this wasn't Archer's first touch in this match, and he didn't call himself on the first one, i'd almost bet that influenced SVB's decision to make the call. (Hey, i didn't know that rich text -- italics, bold, etc. -- was available in TH-cam comments. Could you tell me how you did it please?)
@@TheCulturedCapy If you DON'T make contact with a ball you don't intend to hit, it's NOT a foul!!! Archer made the 4-ball, which he intended to hit WITHOUT making contact with any other ball, INCLUDING the 7-ball. I'm not sure what match you were watching!!!🤔
Chris Michaels I’m talking about his sleeve. If any part of anything on your person touches a ball unintentionally, it’s a foul. I’m not saying SVB was right, but if that’s what did happen, then it is a foul
@@TheCulturedCapy There wasn't ANY foul!!! Archer's sleeve NEVER came in contact with the 7-ball!!! B.S. call by "Shame" You can't call that a foul!!! RIDICULOUS!!!
@@TheCulturedCapy And even if it was a foul...YOU DON'T CALL A FOUL AGAINST JOHNNY ARCHER unless he "intentionally" touched the 7-ball in order to "better his advantage". Although...there was NO foul!!! I lost a bunch of respect for VanBoening for this B.S. call!!! Heck...he was up 2 games and was probably gonna win the match anyway!!! Eat crap, VanBoening!!!💩 drop mic...
I've seen Shane do the same thing. A referee in the Philippines made a call that Shane didn't call the 10 in a Ten Ball match. Shane got mad and quit. Everybody was saying that because he's a pro, it should have been ok not to call the 10 straight in. I guess Shane only believes in that when HE is the pro in question. Lost respect...used to be a fan.
I have no favorites here, but I do have a couple of observations that make me tend to favor SVB on this one. It's a tough situation for both without a ref to make a decision. At 1:08:26 you can see on the video that Johnny's sleeve is hanging down extremely close to the seven ball as he shoots. I can't tell definitively whether he touches the seven or not. However, afterwards when they are discussing it, Johnny gets down and simulates how he made the shot with his elbow and shirt sleeve way clear of the 7 seven ball (kind of fishy to me). SVB then pushes his arm and bridge hand to a closer position that really aligned with where he made the shot. I don't think we can argue whether he truly fouled. However, I kind of wonder why he was wearing a jacket with the loose sleeves that hung down a little past his arm and wasn't cognizant of that during his shot. It's comparable to someone with long hair letting it hang down on the table or someone wearing a shirt that hangs down in the front. I've seen Johnny in the past very careful about not letting his shirt touch balls he's bridging over, why didn't he do the same here (pull up his sleeve or something like it) so SVB or anyone else was not in question. Just my two cents.
Archer has a 'win-at-any-cost' mentality, and i've seen him (and Mike Dechaine) pull plenty of crap on others. Unsportsmanlike conduct is his stock in trade. So, i'm glad any time he gets caught and legitimately called when he's wrong. The fact that the call is made by one of the more upstanding players in the game is just icing on the cake, for me.
@@marginality270 just curious, is the foul because of Archers sleeve touching the ball, or does the ball need to move? Because to me it looked like Archers sleeve may have touched the ball but not move the ball.
@@bgjb-r1499 Generally, touching is all that's necessary for a foul. (If it's not a WPA-sanctioned event, the tournament director can modify the rules and tell everyone beforehand what different rules they're playing by.) If there's no dedicated referee working their table, as in this case, the players can agree to play "Cue ball fouls only", if they want to. Especially since Archer lied so badly about where his hands were during the shot after he was called out, i'm glad that SVB didn't want to.
Ok
Sleeve definitely could have touched it but didn't move it...
Like your interesting commentary
People in here are angry at SVB for this, but at their level, 6-4 is nothing, winner break format, Archer is world class, he can easily run 5 racks for the win. He is also world class enough to know to check your shot before our play. If you watch ANY professional shoot over a ball, they first get down, look down, check the space, get up, step back, realign and get down again. Archer did not do this time, maybe he is just getting old, but he skipped his shot routine. You can not hate SVB for calling a foul. This is his job and if he loses he doesn't get paid. SVB also knows how good Archer is, seeing him make that 2 ball in the side with good draw and shape on the 3 was a big confidence booster that would have lead to him running 5 racks and taking the win, which is also why I think he skipped his routine on the 7 and why SVB called him out on it.
there needs to be a ref involved in all ball fouls especially in this event.
I think you're right. The tournament director seems to be relying too much on players' integrity. That actually works for most players. But, then you have players like Archer and Dechaine,, who obviously don't have any integrity.
If the rule is "touching the ball", Archer clearly fouled, and his sleeve was touching after the cue ball was launched. Van Boening was within his rights to call the foul. Since the ball didn't move, I would have given Archer a warning and let it go, but the rules are the rules. Archer should have called for a referee. He was shooting well; the match was far from over. It seems he let his emotions take charge, but I guess, who _can't_ relate to that lol. He should have finished the match though, out of respect for the fans if nothing else.
Johnny didn't foul, otherwise, the Ref would have called a foul the first time Johnny touched a ball, which he ruled that it was not.
I would never conceed a match.. unless I felt like I was cheated and I'm sure that's how Johnny feels... If you need to win that badly, there you go.. much respect Johnny!
If his shirt was touching the ball and he shot that is a foul. Undoubtedly.
I'm pretty confused on why people are mad at Shane. If a ref was sitting there the same thing would have happened. The foul would have been called and Shane would have ran out regardless. Johnny has played long enough that he should be capable of paying attention to his sleeves. I've watched numerous matches of his over the last few years where he's been called for his sleeves or shirt hitting a ball. He's a pro. He shouldn't still have the problem if he gives a shit
Rules are made to clarify the game. Be of help in avoiding disputes. Not letting an unfair advantage to occur or to correct it if it happens by. intent or accident. Sportsmanship the way all games should be played. Rules are made to help achieve harmony and friendly relations not to interfere and cause disharmony. I believe Johnny never felt the touch of it did happen! The ball never moved! I agree with Johnny I would also would have conceded. I have done so I the past. Said I miscued intentionally under different rules.
So can someone link me to this new 45 game they are talking about? I love trying out new games in pool.
his sleeve touched the 7 but it didnt move I'm a svb fan but really
it's not as cool to win a match calling a foul on someone for that, but it really should be enforced.
i hate to admit that i've avoided calling a foul on myself in an "important" match, but one of the comments points out at 9:11, johnny fully aware of himself touching the ball and did not hold himself accountable.
no hate against johnny, but shane was right to call a foul when he saw it. that's just the rules. and if johnny could have been accountable for himself, he would have called the foul on himself at 9:11. so if someone fouls, it's not like there's no recourse. players either have to call foul on themselves, or they're opponent is allowed to call it like they see it.
no its not a shitty move.. the reason johnny conceded its cuz he doesn't think he hit the ball if he had access to the replay then he wouldn't act like a cry baby about it. its all ball foul and your fault for wearing a baggy sleeve
This is why a ref is needed....
I don't know how Johnny got his nickname but if I had to guess I'd say it was from his break. It looked like a scorpion tail lashing out lol
How do you set that 45 game up? Where do the balls go?
They spent too much time on those diagonal camera angles in this match. I hope it doesn't become a habit. One of the things that TSC has over other presentations is the good camera work (when they're paying attention), without needlessly switching angles too much. Diagonal and table-level camera shots are not useful, in most cases.
9:11, look closely. Johnny clearly touch the 6 ball.
9:10 cuz I needed a better look
9:09 lemme see again
Yes he did, but he hadn't taken the shot yet. He stood up after touching the 6 ball. The opposing player then has the option of leaving the 6 ball where it is, or moving it back to where it was before it was touched. It didn't move when touched, and SVB was okay with leaving it where it lay, so Archer continued on with his shot. There is no foul.
At 1:08:24, while Archer was getting ready to shoot the 4 ball, his shirt sleeve touched the 7 ball, and remained touching it when the cueball was launched. That is a foul. It's ball in hand for SVB. If I were Archer I would have given SVB ball in hand, but I wouldn't have conceded the match. I would have let it play out.
@@madhatter2012 SvB would have run out, he had an easy layout, that's why the snail Archer conceded.
@@michaeltrumph121 Well I guess if I were shooting against SVB, I'd probably concede after the first break! Lol
used to be a SVB fan before this...
Where abouts is this I see turning stone is this in upstate ny?
Yes
@@BaconFrisbee Syracuse ny turning stone casino?
Verona, NY
Around 2:45 did he use drag or follow?? It looked like his cue
was high but what does everyone else think?
I don't think there no draw on that, at any time so just rolling forward shot maybe what ever English he though was necessary to go where he wanted?
yeah just a slower rolled, rolling forward shot, with some inside English, and that why that cue ball from this angle appears to pop off the rail as it did. Soft shot, no skid or nothing, let along draw or even stun to get it to drag a moment before it pick up forward. it all feel, just mess with you draw shots and what not.
Yeah on that shot with a weak draw shot/stun shot, that drags into rolling forward (also slowing the cue ball down) I feel it would be hard to not get a lot of pop off the 1 ball, because there aint as much forward on it. He don't want to come up table, so he need a lot of forward to ball speed ratio, so minimal pop off the side of the 1, and as much roll forward as possible, so a soft shot, that is geared to the table as soon as possible, rolling nice and smooth, and that roll is the best forward for that type of shot. Harder shot it's gonna pop off the 1 ball and come higher up towards side pockets. May have been strait forward no inside English too. Too hard to tell from cameras some stuff like that, only the shooter really knows what they got on it. But you can guess from the cue ball action, what it had to have been, but if you aren't very good with cue ball, then likewise you prob guessing wronger then others, but that's pool.
@@marshalcraft that's exactly what I thought!!! Nice to get one right every once in a while lol. I'm very new to pool and I'm just trying to learn
It’s center ball it a touch of inside English so that it will check off the rail and shorten the outgoing angle.
3rd rack was a “superb out” by Shane
Archer takes so long .
I watched and rewatched the alleged foul from Archer on the 7 ball. I can't see it move. Terrible camera angle to see IF the shirt dangles and touches the ball, though. The worst thing, IMO, is a hall of fame guy (Archer) conceding the rest of the match. That just seems like he is a poor sport. I get being mad about the foul call, but at that level he should have sucked it up and finished the match. I'm not in his shoes but that is what I think - I may be wrong.
He'd be too pissed off to concentrate on the rest of the match. I watched it numerous times at the highest definition and can say with certainty that it did NOT move. But as you said we can't tell if his sleeve feathered the ball(probably did, and rules are rules especially in tournaments like this).
EDIT: where's the freaking ref when you need it anyway lol
Archer IS a poor sport.
When a ref is called into a situation like that. the ruling goes in favor of the player at the table. So, frankly, i'm glad Archer conceded.
@@somethingtrulyhorrifying isn't the rules in pro events though the any touch is a foul? Like the 2019 U.S. Open, where Wu Qia Qin (hope I'm spelling it right) tapped I think the 4 ball with his cue in the last rack, even though it didn't move it still was a foul? (Please correct me if I'm wrong, this is a genuine question)
Yea I think it's the fact that his sleeve touched the ball after the shot, doesn't matter if it moved the ball or not.
Still waiting for the tables with no side pockets, especially for 9 ball.
You tube darren Appleton vs Earl Strickland
There was ABSOLUTELY NO FOUL THERE!!!
Come on, Shane!!!😣
Do these announcers ever shut the hell up? I felt like I’m in line waiting for something while two guys are talking about pool.
With the music playing someone needs to talk or copyright people mute everything.
Their talking, per se, doesn't bother me as much as their talking without watching the match. Seems like there's always something that happens in a game (like Archer's fouls) that we need some insight on and the commentators are all asking themselves what happened, because they didn't see as much as we did.
Shane is already leading, the ball has not moved from where we can see. Referee should have been present.. but give the hall of famer the benefit of the doubt! Poor sportsmanship, uncharacteristic of Shane
Poor sportsmanship because he called a foul on a foul... They're playing all ball fouls. If he fouled he's not gonna get away with it lol
@James Tyler
Pool ain't dead cause of SVB, it's dead cause of BORING slow players like Souquet and Archer.
Please tell us who the commentators are.
Not sure about 2 of the 3... but I'm pretty sure the one who identifies himself as a trick-shot player (around 70 years old) is Mike Massey.
I saw the foul
I'm mad, you touched my toys. I don't want to play with you anymore.
Shane could've stopped him &told him he was touching the 7-ball before he shot..that's the proper/respectful/non-tickytack thing to do in this case I think...&Archer should've pulled up his sleeve to avoid the potential foul.
It's not a foul untill the balls are in motion
@@ethanletzer3507 That's right..they play it that way at this venue..but if you tell him he's touching the ball before he shoots then he wouldn't foul and you wouldn't be winning on a technicality.
@@allpurposehelper do you think a ref would have let him know he was touching a ball?
@@ethanletzer3507 good question..possibly.. they seem to do things differently at this venue (I've never been there) so maybe/maybe not
@@ethanletzer3507 There is no "ref" for the match, the only reason they got a person at the beginning was to clarify the rules of the match.
seven ball did not move for sure.
Once again, commentators enthusiastically talk about everything other than the actual pool game in front of them. Should get Danny D. back, or Jeremy Jones, or other quality commentators.
I think Jeremy was one of the commentators. It sure sounded like him. Of course the other commentators just trampled over anything he said with their BS rhetoric, so that made watching the match not as enjoyable. Love JJ.
That 7 didnt move and eff svb for saying it did...but they couldve had a side bet we dont know about. Either way i wouldve loved to see this play out legit...they both shoot great.
2010 the census says just over 6,000 inhabit the town of Verona, NY. No wonder nobody is watching this game. Empty seats everywhere. I wonder how it makes sense to play a professional tournament in a town that small. And the table directly behind Johnny and Shane has a couple of players that, let's just say play on a level substantially lower than any professional player I've ever seen. I played on the APA league from year 1 to year 4 of its existence, a LONG time ago and from what I've seen those two players would have been rated anywhere from a 4 to a 5 and perhaps a very weak 6 if they are having an off day here.
It was supposed to be a race to 9 but Johnny got so upset at SVB that he just conceded the match. Wether he touched the ball or isn't important. We all know the significance that millimeter would have mattered here and these players play the same circuits so I'm really disappointed that SVB even called it but again I don't know the whole history.
So you want SVB to pass on a foul out of respect but Johnny should call the foul on himself out of respect...oh he didn't feel his shirt toughing the ball. SVB was correct and professional
Shane......wtf dude 😑
James Tyler nope and nope
That was a weak move on Shane's part
Rules are rules
Shane's body language spoke loud and clear after that foul call; he just wanted the win regardless of how. I have never watched either of these gentlemen play the game but after this show of BS I can confidently say I'm not a fan of his.
Wow that was lame. Johnny archer is going to play Shane shirtless next time. “Your chest hair is touching the balls!”
Wow, I have lost a lot of respect for SVB...what a punk move. Jonny didn't even touch the 7. F'n SVB is a punk ass cheater.
@Shane Van Boening,,,shame on you...!!!
For what? Calling a foul where there was one? If a ref was there the same thing would happen
Johnny did NOT touch the 7-ball.
He most definitely did touch the 7 ball...twice...I wear glasses and have seen it about 100 times...clearly touched it... And I'm a Johnny fan
1:08:26 watch it again.
@@hooty8612 You need better glasses. He didn't _clearly_ touch it, but I can tell you he *clearly* didn't move it. If anything his sleeve touched it which is BS to call a foul when the ball didn't even move.
@@somethingtrulyhorrifying Since this wasn't Archer's first touch in this match, and he didn't call himself on the first one, i'd almost bet that influenced SVB's decision to make the call.
(Hey, i didn't know that rich text -- italics, bold, etc. -- was available in TH-cam comments. Could you tell me how you did it please?)
HORRIBLE CALL, Shane!!!!!!!!
There was ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY NO FOUL ON THE 7-BALL!!!
RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!😠
Chris Michaels if you make contact with a ball that you’re not intending to hit, that’s a foul.
@@TheCulturedCapy If you DON'T make contact with a ball you don't intend to hit, it's NOT a foul!!!
Archer made the 4-ball, which he intended to hit WITHOUT making contact with any other ball, INCLUDING the 7-ball.
I'm not sure what match you were watching!!!🤔
Chris Michaels I’m talking about his sleeve. If any part of anything on your person touches a ball unintentionally, it’s a foul. I’m not saying SVB was right, but if that’s what did happen, then it is a foul
@@TheCulturedCapy There wasn't ANY foul!!!
Archer's sleeve NEVER came in contact with the 7-ball!!!
B.S. call by "Shame"
You can't call that a foul!!!
RIDICULOUS!!!
@@TheCulturedCapy And even if it was a foul...YOU DON'T CALL A FOUL AGAINST JOHNNY ARCHER unless he "intentionally" touched the 7-ball in order to "better his advantage".
Although...there was NO foul!!!
I lost a bunch of respect for VanBoening for this B.S. call!!!
Heck...he was up 2 games and was probably gonna win the match anyway!!!
Eat crap, VanBoening!!!💩
drop mic...
I've seen Shane do the same thing. A referee in the Philippines made a call that Shane didn't call the 10 in a Ten Ball match. Shane got mad and quit. Everybody was saying that because he's a pro, it should have been ok not to call the 10 straight in. I guess Shane only believes in that when HE is the pro in question. Lost respect...used to be a fan.
Shane is out of control...
Shane was my favorite until watched this video.. Sorry for you man ... grow up
Shane is getting desperate!!
Please, show more respect for the game.