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- Testing 22 games on the MSI Katana 15 with RTX 4050 and an intel i7 12650H.
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1080P vs 1440P for the RTX 4050 of this video:
• 1080P vs. 1440P on a R...
Comparing laptops is complex as cpu turbo, power delivery and such are not always optimal.
System:
MSI Katana 15 B12V
RTX 4050 6GB VRAM (105W)
Intel i7 12650H
16GB DDR5 Ram 4800 Mhz
SSD - เกม
0:45 concern the 1% low is very low. is it driver related? or laptop related?
1:20 is this related to low 96 bit memory bus, lower than RTX 3050?
2:28 A Plague Tale Requiem high FG on 84 fps average, 25 1% low
3:09 Apex Legends high 144 fps avg, 63 1% low
3:49 assassin's creed valhalla high 92 fps avg, 46 1% low
4:29 atomic heart ultra FG off 110 fps avg, 42 1% low; FG on 172 fps avg, 52 1% low
4:58 COD warzone ultra DLSS Quality 111 fps avg, 47 fps 1% low
5:24 cs:go high 250fps average, 70 1% low
5:46 cyberpunk 2077 ultra FG on 84 fps avg, 33 1% low
6:19 elden ring max 59 fps avg, 41 1% low
6:44 far cry 6 max 106 fps avg, 70 1% low
7:00 fortnite high DLSS quality 156 fps avg, 48 1% low
7:24 forza horizon 5 high DLSS off 132 fps avg, 37 1% low; all OP's MSI laptops are stuttering hard
8:05 god of war high DLSS quality 93 fps avg, 38 1% low
8:30 half life alyx low 70% resolution 71 fps avg, 36 1% low
9:17 half life alyx without lowering resolution is very choppy
9:23 hogwarts legacy medium FG on 117 fps avg, 30 1% low
9:55 microsoft flight simulator high FG on DLSS on 92 fps avg, 43 1% low
10:35 minecraft RTX ON high DLSS on 65 fps avg, 30 1% low
11:00 overwatch 2 high 100% resolution 200 fps avg, 76 1% low
11:19 PUBG ultra 93 fps avg, 46 1% low; high 117 fps avg, 50 1% low
11:44 portal RTX on ultra DLSS U-Perf 106 fps avg, 40 1% low
12:22 red dead redemption 2 high DLSS quality 83 fps avg, 46 1% low
12:56 the witcher 3 next gen ultra DLSS on FG on 81 fps avg, 46 1% low
13:28 valorant high 331 fps avg, 152 1% low
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P. S. It has a Mux switch which was activated!
Hey Hubwood. what do you think of MSI Bravo 15 RTX 4050? It also have 105w version and much better price than the katana one.
I brought this laptop after watching your video. Its been put so well.
I wanted to stream games and this laptop had perfectly fit in the space.
Thanks a lot.
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I want to buy it. But I am confused. Are satisfied with that?
3:44 lmaooo lol, i like your humor man keep up the great work!! u deserve a million subscribers
Thanks a lot for so early review hubwood. I m also planning to buy a 4050 laptop, hopefully nvidia fixes these lags n stuttering soon
How about rtx 3060 140w mobile...is it better??
@@harir6181 yes
@@harir6181 noh
The memory bus still has me in doubt!, nice video and relevant as usual , your review choices are 100% real and useful!
The memorybus is actively slowing down the card. In none of the games could the RTX 4050 be utilized to 99%. this is super odd.
The wattage is actually more important that the last 3 digits of the GPU type.
Sadly not as much as you think, depending on the series, 40 series laptop cards mainly cap out at 100ish watts, so getting all excited over 140w+ TDPs is mostly useless.
So it 8s 5 months later and there are bios updates available... the description of them is rather limited. Do they have an impact?
Nice gameplay test!
Most just show the GPU temp.
But u show both the CPU and GPU temp.
Thank you!
The only reasons i would go for the 40 series is frame generation and for future proof. Wonderful video, thank you.
I feel 30 series is just as future proof as the 40 series. The 3080 is such a good card and won’t be going away for a long time
@@cyathoris7530 True, mostly cards starting from the 3060 and above.
but be ready to pay as much money as a 70 series laptop for 4050 since the rtx 4090 laptops are almost 4000 bucks, i feel like 4050 laptops would be already 1500 bucks inly for 6gb vram and 4060 laptops for 2000 bucks
@@3ADITYA8F 4090 are in the $4000-6000 range at the time
4060 IS obsolete on launch due to less memory bandwidth. RDR2 and Witcher3 says it loud, also 3d rendering apps will be slow in Vport and in rendering.
Thx for the video. You play so much game, that give use so much information about rtx 4050 laptop in game😊
Glad it helped :)
Do you know if the stuttering problem has been fixed?
My Msi katana b13v rtx 4050(105w) is on the way coming 😊 thanks for this video.
how did you maintain the cpu and gpu below 70-75 degrees Celsius? I'm using the same laptop like in the video
not bad for the lowest 40 series gpu Nvidia is offering. it can touch most games on max settings
BUT, the big advantage is the DLSS3 with frame generation that can
more than double FPS as Jarrod has shown.
Hey Hubwood. what do you think of MSI Bravo 15 RTX 4050? It also have 105w version and much better price than the katana one.
I have written many messages for you, but you didn't answer. see that please, Which one is better? Legion 5 i۷ 12700H 16GB ۱TB SSD RTX3070 8GB(140 w) or this laptop?
what do you think of this laptop with exact same gpu ram etc but the cpu is ryzen 7 8845HS? will the performance much different?
Do you know the stuttering problem has been fixed
Imagine this is the lowest-end GPU in the 4000 series 😲... Great performance.
Actually and specifically, this is the 2ND among 4050s, we also have the 45W version of this GPU, which by far the lowest lvl of 4050
another good test! Still waiting for 4050 60w
Any idea if the problem has been found and fixed?
should i go for acer predator helios neo 16 i5 13th gen 16 cores 20 threads and rtx 4050 or lenovo legion 5 with ryzen 7 5800h and rtx 3060 please tell
I have a doubt in msi cyborg 15 vs msi katana 15 any recommendations
Hub, please do one just like this in 4060, 4070 an 4080, my targets to buy, this performance is actually really good.
they all suck price wise, but if you care abt efficiency 4k rtx worth more money spent
@@iikatinggangsengii2471 4060 - 1570$
I am impressed of laptop cooling, around 70C and 50W on CPU is amazing. I thought cooling was bad.
I have a MSI GE 65 but my temp is not that good
Yeah the Katanas cooling system is pretty neat!
The non thin chassis made improvements last year with an added copper pipe. This year, I think it went with less but larger copper pipes
@@randomesteven3935 Cooling looks less impressive than mine but have better result. What is their secret?
@@iraklimgeladze5223 probably down to more efficient GPU. Less heat from GPU means the shared heat pipe is not so overwhelmed.
It could also be that the heat pipes are just arranged more efficiently
@@randomesteven3935 I have same 80w GPU and CPU even limited to 45w. On GE65 is more complicate cooling
I have the exact same laptop but on call of duty warzone I’m only getting 60 fps on low settings how do I fix this?
Lenovo legión Slim 5 with AMD ryzen 5 7640HS and RTX 4050 100W and 16 GB Ram is very good?
Does capping the fps to 60 help with frametime?
Hi, very good review, can you compare with Gf66 3060?
Nice video, im currently waiting on the rog flow x16 with the 4050 125w, hoping it will be better than this msi you reviewed, so i can grasp the perf
Thx! And enjoy!
Dude bought rog laptop rip 🙏 I got 2 days ago katana 17 bv12 with 4070 but eh u should play black desert online
can you compare 060 140w with 4050 85w?
Can you please make a video of the rtx 4050 140W tested in 20 games? I want to see if the machine is capable of running Cyberpunk at Ultra settings with FG and RT on. 🙏
The difference between 105W and 140W is insignificant, the gain will be at most 2-3 fps/.
I think it may be a ram memory problem, since in another case with another asus laptop with an i5 and an rtx 3050 TI I have several stutter problems and it was only solved by changing the memories for others from another brand other than the standard ones . In any case, your stutter is too serious compared to mine and it may be an nvdia or msi problem, however it is worth trying what I tell you. Greetings and great video.
Did you try ray tracing and dlss frame generation in cyberpunk? I'm qurious to know if that has a playable framerate on the 4050 laptop
Would absolutely work if you tweak the settings so that 6gb vram are big enough. So no max settings. But defenitely doable with dlss and FG
@@Hubwood Thank you, I want a 4050 laptop. I like lower powered GPU's for laptops. Gaming in silence is better than the best visuals and a jet engine under my fingers lol.
@@CuttinInIdaho Low Powered GPU doesn't mean less noise. Becuase the cooling system is usually weaker.
What you could do is get a "regular" powered Laptop and heavily undervolt it. THEN it will stay silent and still provide some performance!
@@Hubwood that's a better idea for sure, thanks dude
This or a Mac book 16gb ram m2 2022 pro mac book ??
U got a solid subs froom us man, thank you so much! Btw can i ask how many fans this laptop has?? And the total wattage of its charger/power brick?? Do you have any review for this laptop's internals? Thank you man i need these infos!
Coz the i512450h rtx rtx 4050 45w of this version only has 1 single fan and with a 120W charger
How do you keep your cpu temp so low? I got the same laptop , but my cpu always hits the 90s celcius with some games, it camt be dust or dried up thermal paste cause i bought mine a week ago
1. Room temperature was 20 degrees back then (German winter).
2. Used a laptop stand. If you don't have one, try to lift the end of the laptop 2-4 cm up with a book or something similar, to enable some air under the laptop.
When you did this test did you do any laptop optimisation out of the game such as putting it as high performance and stuff like that.
Yeah. Updated Bios and Drivers. Used Performance Mode and ramped up the fans to 100%.
@@Hubwood thanks
can u test the aorus 17h with rtx4080 plz?
Thank you, please am confused right now, should I buy Asus f15 with same specs or Msi ?
Me personally would get the ASUS
Tems are si good, Thanks for they vídeo.
I will soon have a Msi Katana 15 B12VEK-445US,I have 2 questions for you,please tell me if it does not make noise in games,and is 6 gb of video memory enough?
It does make noise in games. Like almost every gaming laptop. It's hearable.
6gb is enough for lighter games and newer games on medium settings and lower resolutions. It will be an issue in new games on high settings and more and more upcoming games.
@@HubwoodThat is,it will not be possible to play Cyberpunk,Microsoft flight simulator 2020 ,Rdr 2 on high settings,but you can play older games on high settings,for example Cs-go,Dota and other old games?Can you play Cyber Punk,Rdr 2,MFS 2020 and other new games only on medium?
@@user-fv5tk8jr7g some will work on high as well. For some 6GB vram might not be enough. DLSS can help a bit though.
@@Hubwood So this laptop will download all new games at medium settings,some at high settings,but for some new games at high settings,6 GB will not be enough,but Dlss will help,and it will be possible to play old GTA 5,Dota 2 and other old games at high settings,Yes?
@@user-fv5tk8jr7g yes absolutely, many new ones as well.
3:43 speechless...
what you guys think the gigabyte 4060 is only 99 more isn't that worth it for 10-20 more frames each game?
Testing that one soon 😬
👀 You didn't enable Ray tracing on those test right ? Cause 4070 msi katana 15 hasn't as much fps average but with ray traving and ultra setting
Correct, I did not.
Can we get a similar detailed video for the rtx 4060?
I'm trying. Don't know for sure. It is very time demanding to make these videos and I have a lot of videos on my to do list ;)
@@Hubwood keep up the good work buddy🫶
Seems like a laptop with rtx3050 will perform better? If you ignore the frame generation of course
Uhm nope. I have comparison videos online. Check them out. The 4050 is MUCH faster than the 3050.
How aboit this laptop to use for editing softwares like premier pro and after effects
Perfectly fine!
That 1% low is definitely a concern. Can anyone confirm this
This is the video I've been looking for. Do you think it would run Diablo IV?
Yes absolutely fine
@@Hubwood Confirmed it absolutely does with raytracing on also
could you share the vbios of this laptop?
Wow, altho lower bus but +2vram than the rtx 3050, also the performance to run on high settings, impressive, the 50xx series gonna be much better then
yeah but if you play on it while having it plugged in , the fps increase , right ?
No. These benchmarks are all while plugged in.
Maybe if u try limit fps then u can fix stuttering.. right?
That would help. Yes.
Did you use the standar ram? If so, the ram might be the x16 variant so that's why there's quite a noticeable stutter.
edit: does this laptop has advance optimus as well? maybe turning off hybrid mode of some sort would get better experience.
It has a Mux switch. It was turned on. Forgot to mention that 🙄
I had a chance to test a ASUS ROG Strix G16 Intel Core i5 16GB DDR5 RAM 512GB SSD NVIDIA RTX 4060 at my local retailer and there is a similar stutter problem not just a MSI issue it could be a Nvidia driver problem or it is the small memory bus issues. If you are a 4K gamer don`t use a new RTX 4000`s lower then the 4080 there is just to much of a memory bandwidth problem and it looks like Nvidia are trying to disguise the fact that the Generational Performance increase with the RTX 4000`s series is very low compared to last gen by using dlss 3 frame generation in it`s marketing. That said dlss 3 frame generation is a good way to get extra fps on low end GPU`s but do not expect Miracles and don`t over pay for it money wise.
valuable information, thank you!!!!!!!
Gutes Video! Hab überall nach sowas gesucht. Du bist Deutscher gell? LG aus🇨🇭
Ach ja. Eine Frage noch: Würdest du mier lieber die RTX 3060 oder lieber die RTX 4050 empfehlen?
Richtig geraten.
Gute Frage... Die 3060 falls der Laptop wesentlich günstiger ist. Prinzipiell aber eher die 4050 da Frame Generation und DLSS schon fein ist...
Gibt derzeit auch wohl nen günstigen rtx 4060! Laptop (gigabyte)
Vielen Dank für deine Antwort. Ich habe einen Laptop mit RTX 4050 gefunden für 1'679 Franken/Euro (Euro und Franken haben mittlerweile ungefähr den gleichen Wert) mit WQHD Display und 240 HZ. Ausserdem hat er eine 1 TB SSD, 16 GB RAM und einen Intel Core i7 13650HX. Es ist der Asus ROG Strix G16. Meinst du das Preis/Leistungs Verhältnis stimmt?
this is actually a nice bump from 3050 laptops
How is the fan sound while gaming ?
Actually okay when you're not using full power on the fans. With some tweaking in the msi center you can surely get it even lower.
please compare rtx 4050 wiwt85w with 115w
MSI Katana 15 B12VFK-083XPL i7-12650H / 16GB / 1TB / RTX 4060 / 144Hz
Is it a good price for $1,570?
In my opinion? No.
i hate this frame generation thing because you basically pay for the same performance as previous gen and pay to get feature that they allow only on those new GPUs
What is your ambient temperature and did you lift the laptop up in the gaming test?
Thank you.
21 degrees. And it was on a laptop stand without activated Fans.
can u take away the stats tab on the top right?
You mean you would like it better if it was on the top right?
Thank you. Hope the same performance and fps will be on Loq 12450, 4050. I'm pretty shocked about temperatures less 80 in AAA games. 4050 shows really amazing performance. Why do we need to pay more for 4060 ? On the one hand I'm asking myself do I need to overpay +100 euro for the same LOQ but with the 4060 ? 4050 is really good even in AAA games. On the other hand need to be a dambass to save 100€ and not to buy more powerful 4060 when you have already pay 1100€ for laptop with 4050. what do you think?
Hm ID say it's worth the extra 100 actually. 2GB more and around 15-25% faster... For only 10% more...
@@Hubwood thank you.
You make a really great videos.
I'm a little worried that the powerful 4060 might cause high temperatures in the laptop. Do I need to change the thermal interface to honeywell?
Greetings from Ukraine
Is the stuttering for all games or only some?
Only for some! And it can be fixed with an fps cap...
What is the battery life of this laptop?
Uh it's bad unfortunately... Will talk about it in the full review
WTF....WHY 96bit memory bus? WHYYYYYYY???
My msi kata15 with 4070 can’t play Hogwart Legacy😢 it keep crashing
That's the game. It's currently broken since the last update. Not the laptops fault.
So, there is stutters in RDR2 in a 4000 series card. I was planning to buy it but now seems itll also be a waste.
Nono no. That was THIS MSI Katanas problem. Other laptops did NOT have that issue.
@@Hubwood oh I see. Thanks. Much appreciated !
is the 4050 on this laptop performs better than 3060 with 140w power? nice video btw
See for yourself ;)
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Why half life doesnt use %100 of gpu?
x16 RAMs btw?
Well you could still tighten the timings via MSI advanced bios for that, right?
Also stutters, big chance could be due to low bus width (96).
Hopefully that's not the case and only due to slow RAM or not fully optimized drivers.
Nope. You can't tighten the timings Ina laptop usually. And you can't in the MSI Katana...
i think the poor 1% lows and stutters are due to frame generation??
No, they also appear in games without FG (Forza, RDR2 etc.) actually frame generation helps avoiding them. The frametimes graph gets smoother)
Сan someone who has had experience with this laptop tell about its heating and battery capacity?
Check out my full review of the laptop ;)
Great video. Hope this 1% is patchable fix.
Any chance of testing the 115w 4050?
Don't know yet. I'll try to get a higher 4050 though. Might take a while. No guarantees 😬
Best advice good bto
Rtx3050 play valhalla in 4.1gb vram in high-ultra setting but why 4050 taking 6gb????
RTX 3050 would also take 6GB if it could. But it only has 4GB of VRAM. So it has to use parts of your "regular" system ram aswell.
Hence it's alot slower FPS wise.
@@Hubwood oo
why always 85w? what is your problem that u never test another tdp?
You've got one guess!
frame time is higher with frame generation on, im not sure why because i dont really understand how frame generation works, but having it on increase frametime, and in this video on apex legend frametime isn't that bad since the doenst have frame generation, but its 2 months old video, i think you figure it out by now
Frame TIME is consistently higher as the input lag increases by around 10ms. BUT the frametimes graph and the smoothness is better.
guys my laptop is the same but in valorant have only 120 -160 fps usage is 20% and wats on 20 i already tried everything but no works
other games is good but in valorant still bugged
I have no idea. I actually often had that issue with valornt aswell. On some systems, it just won't use the full Power of the System.
Nvidia is just keeping frame generation for 40 series as a excuse for people to buy them. People on the internet modded the inf files and got frame generation working on rtx 20 series GPUs if nvidia could just unlock it for all GPUs with tensor cores it would be great
They defenitely should do that. But despite that the 4050 is actually alot faster than it's predecessor the rtx 3050. Even without FG.
Should i buy fhd laptop or spend more money for qhd?
That's up to you. Me personally I don't think on a 15 inch screen more Pixel make thatuch sense... 17 inch screen... Maybe... But still. A matter of personal taste. I don't really need it...
How 75w Gigabyte g5 vs 85w?
About the same. 10 Watt won't make much of a difference.
Bus width isn't the issue here
3050 is 128 bit using 12 gbps G6 resulting in 192 GB/s bandwidth
4050 is 96 bit but using 16 gbps G6 resulting in the same 192 GB/s bandwidth.
The 3050 also had only 2 mb L2 cache. The 4050 has 12 MB.
I recommend a fresh windows install as MSI has a lot of bloatware.
It is performing better than my nitro 5 ryzen9 rtx3070 100 watt😭😭
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If you ever figure out a solution to the frame time plz post I got the 4070 version of this same computer and Frametime is the same with just more fps
:( I haven't... I guess we'll have to wait for MSI updates
@@Hubwood could it possibly be due to having it installed on the ssd that the os is on?
You didn't try GTA V in online mode and in a full server
is this 16gb ram laptop?
Yes
@@Hubwoodalso , how did you make ypur GPU run at 105W
@@CollapseWithin I did not.
It's the 105w version. But the 105w version won't run higher than around 85-100w
Been looking to upgrade my older 1060 6gb dell g3, looked into 3060 but they draw so much more power and the lower class 3050 hardly better than 1060.
Hopefully the 4050-60 is the upgrade I waiting for, if not the 5050 is the time I do it, if they won't be overpriced.
4050 and 4060 would give you noticable upgrade that would make sense. BUT you might want to consider waiting a few weeks until prices drop or deals appear ;)
they have better dlss and fsr also possibly better rt which is important if your gaming recents smtms look awful wo it even 20yrs before game look better
fg takes a lot of vram maybe thats why
I wish they would stop with the low resolution unicorn vomit RGB and make a pleasant keyboard backlight.
Does it have a bad backlight?
Good laptop
It says 85 watts? Not 105watt?
That's an issue of the 4050,4060 and 4070. In games they mostly don't boost above 90-100w.
This Gpu in this laptop is a 85w - 20w dynamic boost Gpu. But even the 140w version won't be faster really...
I also have a video in which I talk about the issue with the 4050/4060/4070. Check it out
@@Hubwood got it So how can we increase this computer to 105watt?
@@wesleysniper10000 we can't.
@@Hubwood then i don't understand why this laptop writes 105watt ,can't it be 105watts by overclocking?
@@wesleysniper10000 that's how Nvidia decided to handle these cards this year. It's stupid.
Watch my video, I explain this ;)
It's called "the issue with the rtx 4050 mobile"
Yeh the criminally bad memory bit bus is certainly causing problems and will only continue to cause problems going forward. All of these 4050/4060/4070 options are crippled by their constrained vram and abominable memory bit bus (my 3070 has DOUBLE the memory bit bus of the 4070, 256 vs 128). For most people they will be better off going for 3060/3070/3070ti instead, especially if the prices/deals are better.
It is weird, the 3070 still seems to be the sweet spot
Nvidia seems to have bet on “more efficiency & newer tech” rather than respecting core physics like the bus length 😮
still 3050 is a joke on a laptop 4050 is already an improvement that skipping 3050 is a good idea
96bit -33% = 🤢🤮
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