Not-so-fun fact: When Rocky died after his private plane crashed, at the funeral Joe Louis walked up to his casket, kissed it and weeped. It shows the amount of love and respect they had for one another, even in death.
My dad still cried when he talked about Rocky getting killed my dad was friends with Rocky’s brother. A lot of guys never see their dad’s cry to give an idea of how much he love the rock
Joe Louis was 37, when they fought. Marciano liked Joe and didn't want the fight but Joe did. Also, Marciano's handlers thought it would be a good stepping stone to get where he wanted to be. Marciano visited Joe after the fight and told him he felt bad, Joe told him no hard feelings. Joe also told people that he'd never been hit by anyone as hard as what the Rock hit him! The two of them always remained friends.
My uncle has no choice to fight Joe..... he called Joe and said joe I don't want the fight..... joe said Rocky I need the fight to make some money......
Marciano was 185 lbs, Louis 215. 5'10 to 6'2. Not to mention Marciano had the shortest reach for a HW champion. Rocky had insane power and heart that was unmatched during his time.
Louis was way used up and tired to use those advantages. Joe was almost 38. It' the equilivent of Marciano staying around for Ali or Liston in earl y 1960's and someone bragging how Liston or Ali destroyed 38 year Marciano.
His power is overrated. near 60 loss ex middle journeyman Ted "The Tiger "Lowry went 20 rounds total with the Rock. Ted 5'10 175 vs 5'11 186 Marciano. Rock couldn't put dent in Lowry . Providence Journal had Lowry winning 6-4. Sports writer for Journal wrote "Wrong man got decision". The Tiger should of had his arms raised."
@@hollisray6212 Hey liar, Louis couldn't KO Ted either.Ted was just an elusive guy who cared only about surviving.That was early in Rockys career where he couldn't deal with boxers.Later on he would have finished him, he did way better in the second anyway
Rocky Marciano never gets the credit he deserves. Incredible heart, stamina and power. Not a great watch, not an elegant fighter but an absolute machine. Had a great chin, he was made of stone.
I LOVE Marciano's style. He threw all his punches with homicidal intent. And he was a legit tough guy. He doesn't get a lot of credit or at least the credit a lot of us think he deserves because he beat up a lot of tomato cans on the way to winning the belt and only had 6 fights after becoming champ. His competition wasn't as good. He beat former champ joe louis for example when louis was 37 and had retired after defending his belt 25 times. The Rock retired at 32 and said that the fight would have ended differently 10 years earlier. If he's not on your mt rushmore of fighters then you're not a real boxing enthusiast.
Old post but I disagree on the enjoyment watching him fight. The nonstop pressing forward and throwing hard punches is a great watch. I've never seen another fighter who was impressive in round 15 as he was in round 1. Most bigger guys run out of steam in 6 rounds or so and then it becomes a hug fest. Or take Merriweather, arguably the best boxer ever. His fights are always boring though.
The thing about Marciano was he wasn't genetically gifted, had small hands and a short reach and was clumsy on his feet but still overcame all this to beat the best with pure heart, guts and power 👍
@@mrtoad3582 Rocky's KO punch against Walcott in the 13th round in their 1st Title fight is the most clutch and the greatest. Walcott was out cold for 5 minutes.
"Oh yeah, Joshua has as much stamina as Marciano." Joshua get gassed a few rounds into every fight, has to take rounds off, long breathers during rounds, etc. Marciano went full bore for 15.
Counts of punches thrown also show that Marciano was throwing twice as many punches, around 80 per round, than modern fighters, and doing it from round 1 to 15. Joe often lets slip that he's just a spectator like the rest of us and has huge knowledge gaps, just cause he's on the TH-cam, doesn't mean he knows what the F he's talking about, but this clip was pretty embarrassing, even by the Rogan standard of gaff.
yeah IDK why Joe would say that but he does freely admit to being clueless at times and is happy to be corrected. HW back then was different than today, it was judged and the refs were different in the way the ran the fight. AJ doesn't have near the stamina to last 15 rounds let alone throw punches like that. HWs today are just too big to throw that much weight around for 12-15 rounds. Gotta remember Marciano was 180 which is a LHW today and not 230+
Modern heavyweights have a size advantage over champions from the past, but the old masters had stamina that was FAR superior to the fighters of today.
Ismail Ghani Prime Marciano beats Prime Patterson. However, Liston was one of the greatest heavyweights ever, if he hadn't been involved with the mob or Ali's Islamic backers. The Rock vs Liston is a dream fight
That's WHY they had more stamina..alot of heavyweights in those days were built like light heavyweights today. But they wouldnt take the power today..That's the difference.
Joe Rogan is incorrect when he says Joe Louis was "way over 40" when he lost to Rocky. He was 37 and Rocky was 28. Joe was 66-2 going into that fight and was favored to win it. Those are the kind of exaggerations that people always say about that fight to take away the credit Rocky deserves for that win. By the way Joe also didn't lose a bunch of fights late in his career like Rogan said in this clip. Louis ended his career 66-3. Only Max Schmeling, Ezzerd Charles and Rocky beat him (one time each). All 3 were world champions themselves and nobody ever beat Louis twice! Marciano was his very last fight at age 37. HE DID NOT Fight well into his 40's as stated, he never fought past age 37. Marciano was the hardest puncher in the history of the sport. He fought everybody on the scene and beat everybody, you can't ask more than that from a man. He does not get the credit he really deserves in my opinion.
He was a tough guys tough guy! No mercy in-between The Bell! But a genuine great guy! Not a hateful bone in his body; but what a crashing right hand taking you to the promiseland
@@weswahlig5908 people today don't seem to believe how hard he hit because he wasn't physically big but his right was lethal. Joe Louis and Ali did say those things about how hard Rocky hit them, even though some people in these comments don't seem to believe it. But it's all true. Also, he was a freak of nature for his time, in terms of training. He trained for a 20 round fight like a bare knuckle fighter. He was the real deal.
Marciano fought nobody he only beat lightheavy weight fighters and they were old 37yr old Louis only real heavyweight..charles ,moore, WALLCOT all smaller an old!!
No he couldnt marciano fight at 80 kg and Joshua is a steroid abuser 115 kg boxer there is no way of marciano winning also stop underastimating ruiz (soory for my bad grammar)
@@egontiedeman761 doest matter Muhammad Ali one of the greatest said Rocky Marciano punch harder and better than Joe Frazier..we know what Joe did to Ali 1st and 2nd fight..no one can defeat Marciano.., U see all time greats like Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles, and Archie Moore they were all destroyed by Marciano.., all u see today is a fat fellas who can box, a robotic muscleman, and a skinny one punch man ...all trashhhh
You can’t really compare the 2, boxing techniques have improved so much since then that the best boxer couldn’t beat a below average one today. Maybe if you take rocky out of the era and hypothetically train him with today’s knowledge he may be better but if you put those 2 in the ring with what they both knew Joshua would knock him out first round.
Boxers of the past had monstrous stamina. Ali and Joe fighting at max for 14-15 rounds, Marciano fighting like a monster for 15 rounds and also having severe cuts, Sugar Ray Robinson fighting so much that he reached 100+ fights. The guys of the past were stamina monsters
Uh, Marciano would jog 6-7 miles every morning including Christmas morning. After he signed for a fight, he increased it to 9-10 miles, and then the final week before the fight upped it to 12-15 miles a day. He was known to do 2 hours of calisthenics. No fucking boxer today runs anywhere close to that regiment of cardio. At best they can match his power, considering at 185 lbs, he was practicing on a 300lb heavy bag and had a steel chin. That's because it isn't a finesse sport anymore. It's a power sport now. People always say that Marciano was never given real fights. No. It's that he was so far ahead of the game with regard to training discipline that it's ridiculous.
@@Blank-km4qr even then, none of his opponents were a match for him. If he was born 5 years earlier he would've fought prime joe louis, ezzard Charles and Archie Moore 5 years later and he would've faced sonny liston or floyd Patterson.
@@rinzler9171 It's funny because boxing won't to get where its at now without all those boxers from way back then. People need to stop disrespecting legend like Rocky. He was one of the best in his era. Nothing could change that.
@@anz2441 People often use Marciano's weight as the main reason for him being unable to compete if he was around today. Honestly it's like they think he's physically incapable of gaining weight. If Marciano had modern training methods and diet, and he needed to be 215lbs to be competitive he would be.
@@johnpaulmcdonnell1188 yes Indeed, just look how big his legs were back then...he coulda fought at 220 easily imo. Folks love to discredit past achievements and do it frequently. Rocky was a Warrior...not a pretty boxer...a Fucken Warrior...when at all cost kinda Fighter. He was truly special.
@@H.K.5 Do you think Marciano wasnt capable of gaining weight. If he was fighting today and needed to be 215-220 to be competive he would be. If Ruiz could beat AJ believe me Marciano fighting with modern training and diet would destroy AJ. My point stands.
Marciano wouldn’t even make a dent in the elite heavyweights of today😂 you are deluded in thinking 5”10 62” reach and 184lbs is making a dent in 250” 6”9 Tyson fury
Felip Nazario True...... Joe seems like a stand up guy and he usually accounts himself well but it’s evident he’s out of his wheelhouse when it comes to back-n-the day boxing...
Joe Louis retired 58-1 with 25 title defenses. When he came back it was outta necessity because he gave all his winnings to the war effort and the government wanted to tax him into the grave. He wasn't the same fighter.
Rebecca Loughran Rocky Marciano would book Joe Louis for paid appearances....... when Rocky had appearance offers on the same night it was not in close enough proximity to make it he’d always give Joe Louis the first opportunity to take it..... Rocky would get frustrated because Joe wasn’t always in condition to take advantage of the opportunities....
Rebecca Loughran My grandfather sent Joe Louis a little bit of money every couple of months when he was in his financial troubles. He was so loved by so many
@Fredrick Frederickson The sh*t Ali pulled on Sonny Liston & Joe Frazier was beyond cruel and unlike Liston & Frazier who grew up in severe poverty, and were beaten as kids for not working hard enough on their family farms where they were too poor to eat more than 1- 2 meals/day, Ali had a loving mother & father and he ate 3 meals/day. Ali was very smart & he handled himself like a Pro during his speeches at colleges on civil rights & his anti-vietnam stance, during his 3.5 exile from Boxing. Nobody could trash-talk and create poems on the fly like Ali. He handled himself like a Pro when he was being interviewed all over the world between 1967-1970. Frazier & Liston were simple men who had no chance against Ali in a put-down match/ trash-talk war of words. Neither one of them could read or write or speak about current affairs like Ali could. They might as well have had down syndrome & tried to challenge someone as lightening quick with his barbs/jokes/ words like Robin Williams or George Carlin. Ali knew what he was doing and he was out of line. Ali never needed to promote fights against Liston or Frazier. Those fights were sold out in a matter of 2-3 hours. The most anticipated fights of all-time were Liston vs Ali & Frazier vs Ali. That's just a lame excuse that Ali fan-boys use, because they're afraid to admit that Ali was a flawed man who did a lot of good but also hurt a lot of people on his way to the top. Frazier was very good to Ali during his exile. The NOI was nowhere to be seen when Ali was down & out and it was wrong of Ali to stab Joe in the back like he did. Ali had more excuses for losing to Frazier in their 1st fight than one of Whitey Bulger's debtors trying to explain why he didn't pay off his loan on time. Ali lacked the decency, honor, & humbleness to apologize to Frazier in person, while both fighters were still active in their Boxing Careers. The O'Jays- Back Stabbers... th-cam.com/video/T6h1BV7FZqs/w-d-xo.html
The reason they were lighter wasn't food, a great example Joe Louis fought Primo Canera who was 263lbs all muscle same reach as Tyson Fury. The fact was back then if the fight was 15 rounds you had to have stamina for 3 minute 15 rounds, whereas now you have to have stamina for 2 minute 6/8 rounds. For example modern boxers in their training camp run 3 - 6 miles 3 - 4 times a week. Joe Louis ran 8 miles 5 - 6 times a week, Rocky Marciano would work up to running 15 miles so over a half marathan every single day that is why he was 185lbs because with the conditioning he did, it is actually amazing the weight he was. Rocky was the best conditioned heavyweight of all time.
Joe is wrong about the stamina, these guys would run circles around today's prizefighters. Some guys fought multiple times a month, today's fighters spend most their time training, yesterday's fighters spent most their time fighting. Not to mention they also fought a lot of 12-15 round fights. Marciano would have absolutely dominated light heavyweight-cruiserweight in today's era.
Anybody that judges talent based on current conditioning in todays world are idiots. You guys are underestimating the mental side of boxing. Marciano would run through todays competition at his weight.
@@andrhorvath7464 I said at his weight. he'd still beat fighters 180-210. There are giants today compared to yesteryear besides Primo who was more of an attraction than a world beater.
To be fair, if you looked at Louis's long run he was beating up 180-200 pound white guys. What do you think guys like Foreman and Tyson would have done to them? They would have smashed through them in a round. Its too bad we can't take all the greats from every era and have them go at it. A lot of people would be suprised.
@@andrhorvath7464 why couldn’t Marciano evolve along with the sport? He def had the heart, used to hang onto the breaks of trains to get to mining towns where he would fight people after 2 or 3 days of not eating for $2 so that he could eat. It’s said that the only time he was knocked out he didn’t eat for 4 days before the fight. Imagine someone like that with access to todays training techniques and nutrition. Even if he kept his form exactly the same he’d be an above average fighter, give him some proper training and a meal plan I think he could compete for the championship.
@@andrhorvath7464 I just feel like it’s a false comparison to keep him as a 60’s boxer while competing him to 2010’s boxers. If you brought Einstein or isaac Newton into today you could easily say they’re not as smart as modern scientists because they don’t even have a concept of what a black hole is. I feel like that’s putting artificial limits on the people of history without taking into account how Marcianos work ethic or their intelligence would be much further advanced with the tools and knowledge we have today. You could argue the Beatles wouldn’t be great musicians today because they don’t know the recording techniques artists use today. The biggest factor would’ve been his lack of competition. He never went against Liston, Ali or foreman and I think he that’s why we’ll never be able to really say for sure how he’d pan out in a more competitive era.
Joe Louis was 75 years old when they fought. Joe Louis always lied about his age. One time I talked to Frank Sinatra, and I asked him "how old is Joe Louis" you know what Frank said? He said Joe Louis was 137 years old.
Joe Louis was the best to ever lace em up. He was always humble, did great things for his community and country, but he was taken advantage of his whole career. He donated his purses to his country while he served in the military in the prime of his career. After which he was screwed by everyone around him including the IRS(some of the finance troubles he brought on himself, possibly from following bad advice). He died broke surviving on the handouts of the many friends (Most notably Frank Sinatra) and fans he accumulated throughout his life. Probably the best role model to ever come out of that sport. #legend #brownbomber
Chris Manager An undefeated doesn’t make you the best. And even if that were the case there plenty of fighters who had longer streaks then Floyd. Sugar Ray Robinson only lost once in 136 bouts, and dominated two divisions. Julio Caesar Chavez went 89 -0 and dominated his division. Harry Grab, Gene Tunney the list goes on and on.
Rocky comes from a time that people nowadays wouldnt survive, a real tough hard working man who let nothing come across his path, he went through the depression, war times, everything, a time when 16 year olds were hopping on the battle field, men were MEN back then, were all boys nowadays
One thing that made Rocky such a great fighter was his reach, he never fought somebody with a shorter reach than him. This meant he always had the reach "disadvantage", which he actually turned into his greatest advantage, it meant that he could engage more of his body in his punches as he had too close the distance, once he was in there his shorter arms meant he could pummel them with full punches. While their longer arms meant they couldn't.
Wow I like how you said that. It's exactly right. Same game plan every fight. No deviation no room for mental error. Do not get tired and refuse to be pushed backwards.
The only way Marciano could fight someone with a shorter reach is he scheduled a bout with the Venus de Milo. But seriously that short reach "advantage" only works if you can endure taking the first shot in any exchange. Marciano could, but the rest of us would rather not.
@@LLE08071635 its true but they became a big thing here in the US during the 70's and mainstream by the 80's before that even weightlifting was seen as a negative thing to boxers plus rocky was 100% legit his shoulders look normal his head remained the same size he was a different breed all natural now all the meat has roids preservatives and comes from genetically modified animals its not a bad thing but different
spactick Nothing about boxing? Mate, just because they get some things wrong dont mean you gotta be rude about it, if you know more then joe then good for you, dont gotta be a dickhead about it
If Marciano wasn't as good as you think, there would be many undefeated heavyweights. He went 49-0 with 43 knockouts. Only 6 guys went the distance with Rocky, and he was smaller and lighter than most of the heavyweights he fought.
@@ragasthegascap1 Had he not retired in 1956, he'd have to face Sonny Liston, who would've undoubtedly given him his first loss. Rocky was great, but the best fighters he beat were past their prime and they still went the distance with him.
Watch the Brawl in Montreal if you wanna see stamina. 15 rounds and still punching as hard as they were in the first round, that shit just isn't possible anymore. Maybe that is why fighters wanted to be a bit less bulky. For someone so open minded Joe sure has the blinders on sometimes.
The less bulky to have more stamina thing doesn't really hold any water. Jack Johnson, Joe Louis and Sonny Liston were incredibly well built and muscular for boxers and they could still go 15 rounds. Jack Johnson especially, he was the most muscular and he went 20+ rounds back then. Muscles dont kill your stamina, at least not for natural athletes like those guys.
Joe Rogan is so full of shit. The fighters today do NOT have the stamina compared to the past. Marciano averaged 80 punches a round and often times had 100. The average heavyweight today does 40. Marciano could go 15 rounds, and the heavyweights today are damn near dead in later rounds.
yep! If there were unlimited rounds it would be pretty tough for guys to beat Marciano. They could win on points in 12 round fights, and obviously Marciano is mortal and can be KO'd but damn he'd be a tough guy to beat even today.
You have to remember though , that during the war years (39-45) and a year or 2 after , most of the good heavyweights were either fighting in or got killed in the war. Joe Louis had special exemption being the champ and genuinely did defend his title at least 15 times against genuine no hopers. Plus the 2 Schmelling fights, the first on Max was already past his prime and still won , the second fight he was way past his prime but as usually American Journalists only focus on the 2nd one. Plus Louis also lost toe Farr and Walcott when awarded dodgy decisions and was losing to Billy Conn quite easily until Conn got careless. Louis himself said he would have had a nightmare with Marciano at any stage of his career
If you watch the fight and listen to the commentary, you can hear the commentators observe that Joe didn't look like the Joe that they were accustomed to. Let's face it, Rocky beat an old man who was way past his prime. Rocky was a great fighter but I doubt he would've beat the likes of Sonny Liston, Joe Frazier, Muhammad Ali or George Foreman. The left hook of Frazier would've done him in imo.
WILLRACE4FOOD I totally agree. Neither of them know shit and Rogan needs to shut the f up. He does not know his stuff. Max Shmare. Louis was 41. Etc. Oscar Bonavea. Jesus. Louis was 200 pounds. Brocktown. Yeah talk to your wife about boxing. She knows more.
Yup they don't know shit. No fuckin way in hell the pussy pretty boys of today come close to those old school guys. They walked around ready to go 15 rounds on a weeks notice. Fought in horrible heat mid summer in ny. Lol.
Hey Joe, as far as stamina goes, no one conditioned themselves more than Rocky Marciano in any era. Rocky Marciano loved to exercise. He trained using a custom made 300lb punching bag. He used a speed bag but not like you would expect, he would hit it with hooks and slow power shots to work on his accuracy. He would power clean a heavy stone and toss it forward with both hands. He did crunches that also combined kicking a heavy medicine ball out to the trainer. He liked to run uphill in training (full speed) and then run backwards back down. Did this over and over. He was known to do two hours of continuous calisthenics. Sometimes Rocky went shoulder deep in a swimming pool and threw hundreds of underwater punches for about 45 minutes. Jogged 6-7 miles every morning.( His uncle,Charlie Piccento, said he even did this on Christmas mornings as well.) Ben Bently, Rocky's press agent, said after signing for a fight he would increase to 9-10 miles. And then the last week before a fight he would increase 12-15 miles. And all this in hilly country! When training for a fight he was like a Monk - He secluded himself from wife and family sometimes up to 3 months before a fight, watched his diet, weight and muscle tone. A week before a fight he would see no mail, take no calls, meet no new acquaintances, not even shake hands (probably to avoid getting sick) or go for a car ride, and no new foods. Archie Moore - "...he just had more stamina than anyone else in those days. He was like a bull with gloves." Heavy weights today only need to go 12 rounds, Rocky could go 30 in his prime. If other fighters were in camp for two months, he would be in camp for four.
In support of what you stated about Rocky's stamina -- look at the fight with Jersey Joe Walcott when Rocky KO's Joe out in the 13th round. The ref signals Rocky to go to a neutral corner. What heavyweight fighter turns around in the 13th round after a KO of another man and RUNS to the neutral corner? I never saw that with any fighter. Ever. That means Rocky had that much energy left in the 13th round after dooking it out with a guy like Jersey Joe Walcott? That's impressive. Few people ever notice that little scene.
There is a rock dedicated to Rocky right across from the house he lived in at Edgar playground in Brockton. Cool to see. Awesome hear the stories about Rocky. I love Brockton.
I love how his guest seems to have no memory left since the 60's. Quote:"Oscar Bonavena, fought this guy, euhm, I don't know, did he change his name? Cassius Clay?"
I beg to differ. I believe that Rocky's "Will to Win," was 2nd to none. He was completely fearless in the ring and his confidence in himself, allowed him to snatch Victory everytime. 49-0.
Marciano was a tank, and he probably was the strongest guy that ever fought at HW, even Ali, says this. Iron chin and a will that can't be measured with a punch that really hurt some people.... and come on man, Marciano would've KILLED Anthony Joshua... muscled fighters don't always equal the hardest punchers or the best endurance fighters... I mean Foreman phase one was a hulking horror, but George 2.0 was a friendly Buddha... but in both versions he could punch through a wall... whereas a guy like Frank Bruno looked like Hercules but was a pretty soft touch for the real monsters of that HW division.
@@ronniep9272 Maybe you don't know how knockouts work but a 100lbs kid can knock out a 300lbs beast if the kid can generate enough lateral force. Being 300lbs of pure muscle doesn't give you an iron chin. All the pecs, abs, biceps and triceps growth in the world isn't going to make your chin any more resistant to twisting your brain stem.
@@ronniep9272 If Tyson Didn't fight back? Yeah, definitely. Klitschko is a big dude but he didn't have a strong jaw at all. Size doesn't magically give you an iron jaw. It's genetics. Maybe the point I was making went over your head?
@@MustardSkaven you're just full of nonsense. Fury has taken flush shots from Wilder and Klitschko without getting knocked out. Tell me, why are there weight classes in boxing?
Ares god of war yet never gets any respect or credit because he was a white man and none American Boxing is so racial white fighters never get any respect
Santino Rocco Exactly, that’s why Wladimir Klitschko & Vitali Klitschko Dominated for over 15 years & never had media coverage. I never saw ESPN even mention the Klitschko brothers 😂 until Wladimir was 41 years old & lost to 26 year old Joshua 😂 Joe Calzaghe (46-0) etc.
@@IblewuponyourfaceIII Tyson Fury destroys your nonsense "double standard". He's not American and he's white. Noone paid attention to the Klitskos because they had no personality in or out of the ring.
“ Marciano was a grim, wrecking ball of a fighter...He’d hit you anywhere. He would have even hit you on the soles of your feet if he could have....” Bert Sugar.
@@imdonearguing9389 Louis was 37,and had just won 8 fights in a row,all against younger competitors,including 3 knockouts.Joe was picked to win,and thought he was going to.Then he ran i to a rock.
@Cod Rez Wilder is fast as hell, he's just too wild for his own good and lacks fundamentals. AJ's cardio has improved greatly since the Klitschko fight and I haven't seen him gas out since. Plus his cardio has nothing to do with his speed.
TJ McGregor many coach’s like Freddie Roach and Teddy atlas have also commented on this..today’s Fighters rely much more on physicality than slick technique. Ofcourse there are still plenty of great technicians now a days but as a whole it’s way down... but everyone is entitled to there opinion
TJ McGregor agreed. Joshua and Wildsr and Fury all look sloppy to me in one way or another ..but I guess it’s unfair to compare them to guys like Holmes, Ali, Spinks etc etc
I asked Frank Sinatra. I said, "Frank, you hang out with Joe Lewis, just between me and you, how old is Joe Lewis?" You know what he told me? He said, "Hey, Joe Lewis is 137 years old." 137 years old!
This is one of the most, if not THE most epic knockout of all time! The staggering of Louis, the camera angle, the announcer, the timing of Marciano's left-right, and of course Louis being sent cleanly through the ropes. Like Bobby Orr's 'flying goal', or the photo of Marilyn Monroe with her dress blowing in the wind. Absolutely legendary. And for all the jokes about Louis being 'way too old', you know Foreman came back at 38 and fought until 48 or so, winning another title in the process right? At 45 he defeated a 26 year old Moorer. 37 is not old, and Louis would theoretically be stronger and have a much higher boxing IQ than Marciano here. Joe's failure to adjust his style (and training) for this fight, his possible financial troubles, and Marciano just being a complete physical beast (the likes of which haven't been seen before in the sport) were what did him in. His conditioning and discipline was on another level, even by today's standards.
I think the most "epic" knockout was Marciano knocking out Jersey Joe with that right hand. There is even a pic of the actually punch showing Walcott's facial contortion. Hardest punch I have ever seen, and I have seen a lot.
John Smith boxers like people age differently Joe Louis was an old 37 reflexes completely gone he didn't resemble the "The Brown Bomber" who absolutely destroyed Schmeling in their rematch and the Louis who finally caught up to and Koed Billy Conn in the slightest ! I say this but consider Marciano truly great I have him number three on my personal all time list of the greatest heavyweight champions behind only the Ali of the sixties and pre World War two Joe Louis ! Louis himself said he was never the same fighter after being in the Army stationed in Alabama for the four years of the war !
The IRS initially determined Louis owed more than 100,000 in back taxes that was the only reason Joe came out of his first retirement to fight the then heavyweight champion Charles !!! By May of 1950 the IRS determined that Louis owed more than 500,000 Louis through out his comeback was fighting only because he owed the IRS and immense amount of money !!! Fighter like people age differently especially boxers in the 1950's and before compared to fighter in the 1990's also Michael Moorer wasn't even close to being an all time great heavyweight champion I have Marciano at number 3 on my personal all time heavyweight champions list behind only number 1 the Ali of the sixties and number 2 pre World War 2 Louis !!! Louis himself said that he was never the same fighter after spending 4 years stationed at Alabama in the Army during World War 2 he said this in his great biography "Brown Bomber" was fight with Rocky was more than 6 years after the end of World War 2 !!!
Marciano ran 15 miles a day in combat boots. And that’s just his road work. He’s widely considered to have been the best-conditioned heavyweight. Look him up. And a brutal fighter, both in the punishment he dished out and the punishment he took.
Carl put down the crack pipe Lmao Tyson. Tyson was gassed before 6 rounds in 95% of his fights. Marciano would destroy Tyson and any of these wannabes today. Wilder would get that chin checked. Only guy with a chance would be George but he would lose too. Marciano was a machine. These guys didn’t have near the shape to me Rock
Rocky was a pioneer of fight preparation and training to correct. His power came from his hips as he stayed low, making him harder to hit as boxers don't usually punch down, this also was in combo of exploding up from the hips. That earned him the still only undefeated heavyweight champ of all time. Side note, Rocky was at current boxing retirement age when he turned pro. His training to defend against Liston didn't go well so he retired, his intelligence to retire is scrutinized but a fighter knows themselves more than an internet troll.
"Archaic" as methods may have been back then, Rocky Marciano's by any standards, THE greatest conditioned heavyweight (probably just boxer) there's ever been. That's not even an argument.
Every punch Rocky threw was a knockout punch, even if he was hitting the opponents arms that would eventually cause the opponents arms to weaken and get sore and drop, which opens them up. HE would shuffle in leading with his right foot and then lean in with his body weight when he would throw making his punch more devastating, it also gave him the ability to rock back on his hind leg to lessen the impact of a punch he couldn't avoid. Even if the opponent landed a punch Rocky would already be fading backwards with his stance and that would lessen the blow. He was an amazing fighter in many ways he knew how to beat a man's body to open his head and then knock them out. He knew that any one of the punches he threw could land a knockout if it were thrown hard enough and he knew how to move his head out of the way so that he wouldn't get knocked out. Amazing still the only heavyweight champion to never be defeated in the entire world.
Marciano started boxing when most would be getting ready to retire. Even Ali said he wasn’t sure he could’ve beaten him. All things considered we can speculate, but he is one of the all-time greats.
My grandad is 95 years old .. he always tell me the story of when he was young and in the army a man in the back of an army truck who waved at him as it was driving past , he suddenly realized it was Joe Louis , and waved back.
Fun fact about Schmeling ( mentioned in the beginning) after the war he tried to work as a contruction worker (ruins etc) but had no experience - he fought again and with the money he made he actually acquired a Coca Cola License and was the first partner of Coca Cola in Northern Germany(mb whole West Germany) kinda amazing
Primo carnera was world champion back then and was 6”5 and 260 lbs ( and on steroids etc ) and Louis absolutely decimated him like nothing . Louis would do the same to Joshua . Boxers were dragged up the hard way back then .
@Aaron Mills Yes and keep in mind the current champ Jersey Joe at the time was stacking younger ones like cord wood and Joe handed him his ass Lol Rocky was amazing by any time and any standard.And Joe was no has been, check his stats anytime. Jersey Joe was also late 30s- 37 also I think.
@Aaron Mills A true story, Rockies father was shot through the mouth as a Marine during WW1, he spit out his broken teeth and never missed a beat and kept on fighting- Years later somebody asked him that, he said my son was not the only tough one in this family. A quiet good man but lots smaller than Rocky.
props to the guest for remebering oscar bonavena "ringo" , he won ali in the shittalk before the fight , knock him down but loss to a KO , he is remember with love here in argentina , he was just a character!
The thing about Marciano, is, that he BEAT every challenger of his time. Every one. No if ands or buts. 49 and 0. Give him his props. Every challenger that offered, Rocky fought them, never backed down or hid!!! Just that facts, Mam!
Marciano started boxing 25. He was old when He started. Rocky was never happy to fight his Hero Joe Lewis. After the match He went to Lewis to respect him and He was in tears. Rocky was not happy to fight hs 38 years old Hero.
True I've read this also Joe only faught out of desperation. To pay his tax bill. Rocky knew this. Good to see respect between fighters. Sad to see great champions fight past thier prime.
After researching rocky for a week I officially know more about him than 99.99% of people who claim to know something about him, time to bring back the past with facts and stop the spread of misinformation
Simply put the “Greatest Fighter” 49 fights 43 knockouts!IMO ever in the history of boxing! Don Turner said “Rocky Marciano “ was the hardest hitter ever in the history of 🥊 boxing! My Dad always told me how great Marciano was but I never thought ever I would see footage like this! Amazing 49-0 ! Loved Jersey Joe as well, and The Cincinnati Cobra aka Ezard Charles and the great Joe Louis. Joe Rogan you must be high as always to say the fighters today are better in shape! No one today could stand up to The Great Rocky Marciano!
B.S he beat no great fighter IN THIER PRIME. He beat OLD former great fighters. Prime Ali, Tyson, Holyfield even Louis would have beaten him. He gets credits he doesnt deserve. Notice how he made sure HE RETIRED AT ONLY 32. Because he knows what would have happened had he fought on past 36. So learn this before you start talking about greatest EVER.
In Joe’s book he said he had underestimated Marciano. Marciano almost came out of retirement but his thoughts about how post-retirement had not worked for Joe Louis spoke loudly to him. So did Marciano’s back pain, so he stayed retired. Louis & Marciano became great friends.
@Fredrick Frederickson I read that it was around 1959-60, when Ingemar Johansson was champ, that Rocky started training. Apparently his back was still in pain when he boxed, just as it had been at the end of his career. Knowing how determined he was, my guess is that the pain factor was part of the reason to stay retired.
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Not-so-fun fact: When Rocky died after his private plane crashed, at the funeral Joe Louis walked up to his casket, kissed it and weeped. It shows the amount of love and respect they had for one another, even in death.
My dad still cried when he talked about Rocky getting killed my dad was friends with Rocky’s brother. A lot of guys never see their dad’s cry to give an idea of how much he love the rock
Truth....
He was crying cause he was thinking about how the IRS kept bending him over and going to town without lube.
Also when Joe Louis died, Max Schmeling who he destroyed in that rematch paid for Joe's funeral.
Larry Bird cried too when he heard about Magic having HIV. Back then it was a death sentence.
Joe Louis was 37, when they fought. Marciano liked Joe and didn't want the fight but Joe did. Also, Marciano's handlers thought it would be a good stepping stone to get where he wanted to be. Marciano visited Joe after the fight and told him he felt bad, Joe told him no hard feelings. Joe also told people that he'd never been hit by anyone as hard as what the Rock hit him! The two of them always remained friends.
My uncle has no choice to fight Joe..... he called Joe and said joe I don't want the fight..... joe said Rocky I need the fight to make some money......
I think Joe Louis was a pallbearer at the rocks funeral but I could be wrong
Thomas Lennon and you actually believed that?
Thomas Lennon it was 38 actually but 37 close enough
37 is like 50 in those days
Marciano wrote Joe a letter after the fight saying how much of a hero he was to him. Both are legends of Boxing 🥊
lol I thought you meant Joe Rogan
Both men had dignity and humility. Rare these days.
Marciano was 185 lbs, Louis 215. 5'10 to 6'2. Not to mention Marciano had the shortest reach for a HW champion. Rocky had insane power and heart that was unmatched during his time.
Very true statements about my fathers brother
Isent it physics tho? Short arms = more torque given same power?
Louis was way used up and tired to use those advantages. Joe was almost 38. It' the equilivent of Marciano staying around for Ali or Liston in earl y 1960's and someone bragging how Liston or Ali destroyed 38 year Marciano.
His power is overrated. near 60 loss ex middle journeyman Ted "The Tiger "Lowry went 20 rounds total with the Rock. Ted 5'10 175 vs 5'11 186 Marciano. Rock couldn't put dent in Lowry . Providence Journal had Lowry winning 6-4. Sports writer for Journal wrote "Wrong man got decision". The Tiger should of had his arms raised."
@@hollisray6212 Hey liar, Louis couldn't KO Ted either.Ted was just an elusive guy who cared only about surviving.That was early in Rockys career where he couldn't deal with boxers.Later on he would have finished him, he did way better in the second anyway
Rocky Marciano never gets the credit he deserves. Incredible heart, stamina and power. Not a great watch, not an elegant fighter but an absolute machine. Had a great chin, he was made of stone.
I LOVE Marciano's style. He threw all his punches with homicidal intent. And he was a legit tough guy. He doesn't get a lot of credit or at least the credit a lot of us think he deserves because he beat up a lot of tomato cans on the way to winning the belt and only had 6 fights after becoming champ. His competition wasn't as good. He beat former champ joe louis for example when louis was 37 and had retired after defending his belt 25 times. The Rock retired at 32 and said that the fight would have ended differently 10 years earlier. If he's not on your mt rushmore of fighters then you're not a real boxing enthusiast.
Old post but I disagree on the enjoyment watching him fight. The nonstop pressing forward and throwing hard punches is a great watch. I've never seen another fighter who was impressive in round 15 as he was in round 1. Most bigger guys run out of steam in 6 rounds or so and then it becomes a hug fest. Or take Merriweather, arguably the best boxer ever. His fights are always boring though.
The thing about Marciano was he wasn't genetically gifted, had small hands and a short reach and was clumsy on his feet but still overcame all this to beat the best with pure heart, guts and power 👍
@@mrtoad3582 Rocky's KO punch against Walcott in the 13th round in their 1st Title fight is the most clutch and the greatest. Walcott was out cold for 5 minutes.
@@richardmilliken8705 👍
"Oh yeah, Joshua has as much stamina as Marciano."
Joshua get gassed a few rounds into every fight, has to take rounds off, long breathers during rounds, etc. Marciano went full bore for 15.
Counts of punches thrown also show that Marciano was throwing twice as many punches, around 80 per round, than modern fighters, and doing it from round 1 to 15.
Joe often lets slip that he's just a spectator like the rest of us and has huge knowledge gaps, just cause he's on the TH-cam, doesn't mean he knows what the F he's talking about, but this clip was pretty embarrassing, even by the Rogan standard of gaff.
Rock would throw punches the entire time, but not just punches. Knockout haymaker combinations the entire time excluding the occasional jab
yeah IDK why Joe would say that but he does freely admit to being clueless at times and is happy to be corrected. HW back then was different than today, it was judged and the refs were different in the way the ran the fight. AJ doesn't have near the stamina to last 15 rounds let alone throw punches like that. HWs today are just too big to throw that much weight around for 12-15 rounds. Gotta remember Marciano was 180 which is a LHW today and not 230+
@@Jrock420blam joe smokes pot
Tyson Fury is the only current Heavyweight who can hold a candle to either of these two.
Hahah Marciano and Louis had 1000 times Joshua’s cardio. Unbelievable. Marciano would do 15 miles in the hills before a fight.
because steroids diddnt exist then
@@daddydaddy_c00l82 yes they did exist but marcianio and louis did not have access to them
Crazy
@@daddydaddy_c00l82 100% correct
Yea, gotta say I disagree wit joe rogan here, I think if AJ tried a 15 round bout with marciano he would probably end up with a cardiac arrest
"Rocky Marciano hit you so hard it will jar your kinfolk in Africa."- Muhammad Ali
Mike Honcho he did say that
Mike Honcho Ali didn't say anything like that
Bullshit
chris bennett he said exactly that. TH-cam Ali talks about Rocky Marciano. You should apologize now
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TstanDa'Man Don'tchanoo bullshit
Modern heavyweights have a size advantage over champions from the past, but the old masters had stamina that was FAR superior to the fighters of today.
I don't think Marciano could have beaten Floyd Patterson nor Sonny Liston.
Ismail Ghani Prime Marciano beats Prime Patterson.
However, Liston was one of the greatest heavyweights ever, if he hadn't been involved with the mob or Ali's Islamic backers.
The Rock vs Liston is a dream fight
@@ismailghani2078 Patterson had no chin even Cus knew it.
@@ismailghani2078 Marciano would've smashed them both.
That's WHY they had more stamina..alot of heavyweights in those days were built like light heavyweights today. But they wouldnt take the power today..That's the difference.
Joe Rogan is incorrect when he says Joe Louis was "way over 40" when he lost to Rocky.
He was 37 and Rocky was 28. Joe was 66-2 going into that fight and was favored to win it.
Those are the kind of exaggerations that people always say about that fight to take away the credit Rocky deserves for that win.
By the way Joe also didn't lose a bunch of fights late in his career like Rogan said in this clip.
Louis ended his career 66-3. Only Max Schmeling, Ezzerd Charles and Rocky beat him (one time each).
All 3 were world champions themselves and nobody ever beat Louis twice!
Marciano was his very last fight at age 37. HE DID NOT Fight well into his 40's as stated, he never fought past age 37.
Marciano was the hardest puncher in the history of the sport.
He fought everybody on the scene and beat everybody, you can't ask more than that from a man.
He does not get the credit he really deserves in my opinion.
He was a tough guys tough guy! No mercy in-between The Bell! But a genuine great guy! Not a hateful bone in his body; but what a crashing right hand taking you to the promiseland
He would put shit on you Oral Roberts couldn't heal!
@@weswahlig5908 people today don't seem to believe how hard he hit because he wasn't physically big but his right was lethal. Joe Louis and Ali did say those things about how hard Rocky hit them, even though some people in these comments don't seem to believe it. But it's all true. Also, he was a freak of nature for his time, in terms of training. He trained for a 20 round fight like a bare knuckle fighter. He was the real deal.
Agree with that.
Marciano fought nobody he only beat lightheavy weight fighters and they were old 37yr old Louis only real heavyweight..charles ,moore, WALLCOT all smaller an old!!
"Anthony Joshua is a tank!"
Dude, he got beat by Ruiz. If Ruiz could do it than marciano definitely would.
No he couldnt marciano fight at 80 kg and Joshua is a steroid abuser 115 kg boxer there is no way of marciano winning also stop underastimating ruiz (soory for my bad grammar)
@@egontiedeman761 doest matter Muhammad Ali one of the greatest said Rocky Marciano punch harder and better than Joe Frazier..we know what Joe did to Ali 1st and 2nd fight..no one can defeat Marciano.., U see all time greats like Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles, and Archie Moore they were all destroyed by Marciano.., all u see today is a fat fellas who can box, a robotic muscleman, and a skinny one punch man
...all trashhhh
@MANCHESTER UNITED F.C who fucking asked you?
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Mate i disagree with everything you just said
But skinny one punch man in a funny way sums up deontay wilder perfectly
You can’t really compare the 2, boxing techniques have improved so much since then that the best boxer couldn’t beat a below average one today.
Maybe if you take rocky out of the era and hypothetically train him with today’s knowledge he may be better but if you put those 2 in the ring with what they both knew Joshua would knock him out first round.
Marciano ran 15 miles everyday in combat boots. The man had insane conditioning, very few people today could match him.
His conditioning was 2nd to none.
He probably also had concrete bones
@@danialcourtney5969 That's for sure. His endurance under extreme pain was unbelievable.
@@richardmilliken8705 correct .in preparation he did spar 250 rounds total in his entire camp
Marciano spar total of 250 rounds during his fight camp
Boxers of the past had monstrous stamina. Ali and Joe fighting at max for 14-15 rounds, Marciano fighting like a monster for 15 rounds and also having severe cuts, Sugar Ray Robinson fighting so much that he reached 100+ fights.
The guys of the past were stamina monsters
Uh, Marciano would jog 6-7 miles every morning including Christmas morning. After he signed for a fight, he increased it to 9-10 miles, and then the final week before the fight upped it to 12-15 miles a day. He was known to do 2 hours of calisthenics. No fucking boxer today runs anywhere close to that regiment of cardio. At best they can match his power, considering at 185 lbs, he was practicing on a 300lb heavy bag and had a steel chin. That's because it isn't a finesse sport anymore. It's a power sport now.
People always say that Marciano was never given real fights. No. It's that he was so far ahead of the game with regard to training discipline that it's ridiculous.
very well said. He was simply in another league, even by today's standards.
If Marciano was to get into the heavyweight division he’d be killed. You can’t compare 50’s boxers to today.
@@Blank-km4qr even then, none of his opponents were a match for him. If he was born 5 years earlier he would've fought prime joe louis, ezzard Charles and Archie Moore 5 years later and he would've faced sonny liston or floyd Patterson.
@@jamie91995 Sonny Liston would tore his ass up ngl
@@skylerdickson1411 exactly haha
I really expected Joe Rogan to have more knowledge about Rocky's stamina, as opposed to Joshua
Rogan's biased.
His logic, people back then didn't know shit about "real fighting."
Joe has a thing for buff black dudes.
@@rinzler9171 It's funny because boxing won't to get where its at now without all those boxers from way back then. People need to stop disrespecting legend like Rocky. He was one of the best in his era. Nothing could change that.
Rocky Marciano and Joe Louis would both eat Anthony Joshua alive, he'd never cope with the pace both would set.
exactly, and Marciano could easily fight at Holyfields weight.
@@anz2441 People often use Marciano's weight as the main reason for him being unable to compete if he was around today. Honestly it's like they think he's physically incapable of gaining weight. If Marciano had modern training methods and diet, and he needed to be 215lbs to be competitive he would be.
@@johnpaulmcdonnell1188 yes Indeed, just look how big his legs were back then...he coulda fought at 220 easily imo. Folks love to discredit past achievements and do it frequently. Rocky was a Warrior...not a pretty boxer...a Fucken Warrior...when at all cost kinda Fighter. He was truly special.
You're a moron if you think Marciano can beat AJ. He was 185 pounds.
@@H.K.5 Do you think Marciano wasnt capable of gaining weight. If he was fighting today and needed to be 215-220 to be competive he would be.
If Ruiz could beat AJ believe me Marciano fighting with modern training and diet would destroy AJ.
My point stands.
RIP Rocky Marciano you are one of my favorite boxers.
He don't get respect he deserve
@@freddiereagan6705 lol how? you probably like shitty duckweather, marciano in and out of the ring was the most respectful man in boxing history
@@yes-qw6om he said Marciano doesn’t get the respect he deserves,not that he doesn’t deserve respect
@@chrisnga6910 why not?
no way any heavyweight from this era would be able to hang with marciano over 15 rounds. hes the most conditioned heavyweight in history
Him and Frazier for sure
Wilder
@@rivermoore6179 got his shit kicked in by Tyson fury
Marciano wouldn’t even make a dent in the elite heavyweights of today😂 you are deluded in thinking 5”10 62” reach and 184lbs is making a dent in 250” 6”9 Tyson fury
@@Blank-km4qr fury is an exception though. He's truly gifted. The only unique heavyweight in the division
none off these heavyweights have stamina like Marciano did. Joe Rogan don't know what he talking about..
Felip Nazario True...... Joe seems like a stand up guy and he usually accounts himself well but it’s evident he’s out of his wheelhouse when it comes to back-n-the day boxing...
Maybe because marciano fought 85 kg and todays heavyweights fight 110 115 kg on average?
MANCHESTER UNITED F.C nah
@what. nbba No one thing determines stamina but size does have an effect.
i think the same
Joe Louis retired 58-1 with 25 title defenses. When he came back it was outta necessity because he gave all his winnings to the war effort and the government wanted to tax him into the grave. He wasn't the same fighter.
G L O C K crap
G L O C K load of bullshit stop talking shit
You are mostly correct< Mr. Josh C.
When the Brown Bomber 1st retired, his record was actually 56 wins and 1 loss.
Max helped Joe financially for years as Joe was broke..great friends
Rebecca Loughran Rocky Marciano would book Joe Louis for paid appearances....... when Rocky had appearance offers on the same night it was not in close enough proximity to make it he’d always give Joe Louis the first opportunity to take it..... Rocky would get frustrated because Joe wasn’t always in condition to take advantage of the opportunities....
Rebecca Loughran My grandfather sent Joe Louis a little bit of money every couple of months when he was in his financial troubles. He was so loved by so many
Crazy really, even Joe Frazier helped Muhammed ali during his ban in boxing. Boxers now wouldn't even think to help one another.
@@bassinblue And it's mindblowing how cruel and mean Ali was towards Joe when he returned to Boxing.
@Fredrick Frederickson The sh*t Ali pulled on Sonny Liston & Joe Frazier was beyond cruel and unlike Liston & Frazier who grew up in severe poverty, and were beaten as kids for not working hard enough on their family farms where they were too poor to eat more than 1- 2 meals/day, Ali had a loving mother & father and he ate 3 meals/day. Ali was very smart & he handled himself like a Pro during his speeches at colleges on civil rights & his anti-vietnam stance, during his 3.5 exile from Boxing. Nobody could trash-talk and create poems on the fly like Ali. He handled himself like a Pro when he was being interviewed all over the world between 1967-1970. Frazier & Liston were simple men who had no chance against Ali in a put-down match/ trash-talk
war of words. Neither one of them could read or write or speak about current affairs like Ali could. They might as well have had down syndrome & tried to challenge someone as lightening quick with his barbs/jokes/ words like Robin Williams or George Carlin. Ali knew what he was doing and he was out of line. Ali never needed to promote fights against Liston or Frazier. Those fights were sold out in a matter of 2-3 hours. The most anticipated fights of all-time were Liston vs Ali & Frazier vs Ali.
That's just a lame excuse that Ali fan-boys use, because they're afraid to admit that Ali was a flawed man who did a lot of good but also hurt a lot of people on his way to the top. Frazier was very good to Ali during his exile. The NOI was nowhere to be seen when Ali was down & out and it was wrong of Ali to stab Joe in the back like he did. Ali had more excuses for losing to Frazier in their 1st fight than one of Whitey Bulger's debtors trying to explain why he didn't pay off his loan on time. Ali lacked the decency, honor, & humbleness to apologize to Frazier in person, while both fighters were still active in their Boxing Careers. The O'Jays- Back Stabbers...
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Boxers today do not have better stamina, the old Fighters back in the day went 15 rounds and 15 rounds hard! Probably do 20 no prob
Yes and not to mention the previous bare knuckle pugilism which would go on for hundreds of rounds...
@@Earljackson566 Who, me or Craig? You don't know us.
Sam MCvea vs. Joe Jennette went 49 rounds. It was brutal. The most brutal fight ever.
Exactly! 💯💯💯
Yeah they fought 15 rounders.
The reason they were lighter wasn't food, a great example Joe Louis fought Primo Canera who was 263lbs all muscle same reach as Tyson Fury. The fact was back then if the fight was 15 rounds you had to have stamina for 3 minute 15 rounds, whereas now you have to have stamina for 2 minute 6/8 rounds. For example modern boxers in their training camp run 3 - 6 miles 3 - 4 times a week. Joe Louis ran 8 miles 5 - 6 times a week, Rocky Marciano would work up to running 15 miles so over a half marathan every single day that is why he was 185lbs because with the conditioning he did, it is actually amazing the weight he was. Rocky was the best conditioned heavyweight of all time.
Tyson Fury is 280lbs. But if you take away the fat and shit he carries around then 195lbs is just about right.
Joe is wrong about the stamina, these guys would run circles around today's prizefighters. Some guys fought multiple times a month, today's fighters spend most their time training, yesterday's fighters spent most their time fighting. Not to mention they also fought a lot of 12-15 round fights.
Marciano would have absolutely dominated light heavyweight-cruiserweight in today's era.
Anybody that judges talent based on current conditioning in todays world are idiots. You guys are underestimating the mental side of boxing. Marciano would run through todays competition at his weight.
@@andrhorvath7464 I said at his weight. he'd still beat fighters 180-210. There are giants today compared to yesteryear besides Primo who was more of an attraction than a world beater.
To be fair, if you looked at Louis's long run he was beating up 180-200 pound white guys. What do you think guys like Foreman and Tyson would have done to them? They would have smashed through them in a round. Its too bad we can't take all the greats from every era and have them go at it. A lot of people would be suprised.
@@andrhorvath7464 why couldn’t Marciano evolve along with the sport? He def had the heart, used to hang onto the breaks of trains to get to mining towns where he would fight people after 2 or 3 days of not eating for $2 so that he could eat. It’s said that the only time he was knocked out he didn’t eat for 4 days before the fight. Imagine someone like that with access to todays training techniques and nutrition. Even if he kept his form exactly the same he’d be an above average fighter, give him some proper training and a meal plan I think he could compete for the championship.
@@andrhorvath7464 I just feel like it’s a false comparison to keep him as a 60’s boxer while competing him to 2010’s boxers. If you brought Einstein or isaac Newton into today you could easily say they’re not as smart as modern scientists because they don’t even have a concept of what a black hole is. I feel like that’s putting artificial limits on the people of history without taking into account how Marcianos work ethic or their intelligence would be much further advanced with the tools and knowledge we have today. You could argue the Beatles wouldn’t be great musicians today because they don’t know the recording techniques artists use today.
The biggest factor would’ve been his lack of competition. He never went against Liston, Ali or foreman and I think he that’s why we’ll never be able to really say for sure how he’d pan out in a more competitive era.
Joe Luis was grateful for the $ he made and he thanked Rocky after the fight.
Tim Jespersen yeah he had to because he was in deep shit with irs
Marciano retired undefeated Heavyweight Champion, nuff said.
Exactly!!!!!!!!!
Fought 4 all time greats past their prime
@@latinace1981 there's no one in their prime that he could have fought deal with it loser
@@theredninja2817 I'm a loser for stating facts? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@theredninja2817 he fought 50 opponents what do you want him to do fight tigers 🤣😂
Joe Louis was 75 years old when they fought. Joe Louis always lied about his age.
One time I talked to Frank Sinatra, and I asked him "how old is Joe Louis" you know what Frank said? He said Joe Louis was 137 years old.
Aw man, you ain't never met no Frank Sinatra.
@@peedfarded ya don’t say?
@@peedfarded Fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you. Who's next? :D
What? I don't think so.
that scene is funny as hell
Dude marciano never gassed out, his stamina was insane!!!
Well it should have been given he wasn't too active and was always smaller
"Joe Louis was 75 years old when they fought!"
Eddie Murphy, is that you?
His name was Muhammad Ali!
Really
One time Frank Sinatra stopped by and I've axed him how old Joe Louis was and he told me "Joe Louis was 137 years old! 137 years old!!"
jakep1979 nah really!?
Louis lost the first fight with Wallcott. The decision was so bad even Louis refused to acknowledge the win.
“The Rock” was a beast
MARCIANO 49 - 0 43 KOs NUFF SAID !
Joe Louis was the best to ever lace em up. He was always humble, did great things for his community and country, but he was taken advantage of his whole career. He donated his purses to his country while he served in the military in the prime of his career. After which he was screwed by everyone around him including the IRS(some of the finance troubles he brought on himself, possibly from following bad advice). He died broke surviving on the handouts of the many friends (Most notably Frank Sinatra) and fans he accumulated throughout his life. Probably the best role model to ever come out of that sport. #legend #brownbomber
66-3 with 52 KO's. Longest rein as heavy weight champ (12 years) in boxing history.
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I think someones undefeated record would disagree with that first statement.
+Chris Manager That someone is actually 49-1 as he lost to Castillo. And never once did he fight an all-time great like Rocky was, in their prime.
Chris Manager An undefeated doesn’t make you the best. And even if that were the case there plenty of fighters who had longer streaks then Floyd. Sugar Ray Robinson only lost once in 136 bouts, and dominated two divisions. Julio Caesar Chavez went 89 -0 and dominated his division. Harry Grab, Gene Tunney the list goes on and on.
Rocky comes from a time that people nowadays wouldnt survive, a real tough hard working man who let nothing come across his path, he went through the depression, war times, everything, a time when 16 year olds were hopping on the battle field, men were MEN back then, were all boys nowadays
I think that on the whole you're right, but there are still a lot of bad asses on the combat field. My late cousin Kyle Milliken was one of them.
One thing that made Rocky such a great fighter was his reach, he never fought somebody with a shorter reach than him. This meant he always had the reach "disadvantage", which he actually turned into his greatest advantage, it meant that he could engage more of his body in his punches as he had too close the distance, once he was in there his shorter arms meant he could pummel them with full punches. While their longer arms meant they couldn't.
Wow I like how you said that. It's exactly right. Same game plan every fight. No deviation no room for mental error. Do not get tired and refuse to be pushed backwards.
The only way Marciano could fight someone with a shorter reach is he scheduled a bout with the Venus de Milo. But seriously that short reach "advantage" only works if you can endure taking the first shot in any exchange. Marciano could, but the rest of us would rather not.
heavyweight's back in the 1950s and under. Never had formula enhancement drugs, to increase their strength and endurance.
Eastern Europe were making steroids and stimulants since the 30s for sports and military use
@@LLE08071635 yeah but it was a nazi experimental drug which the russians modified and used
Generic-O's exactly, I don’t know why people think performance enhancers are only a recent thing they’ve been about for almost 100 years
@@LLE08071635 its true but they became a big thing here in the US during the 70's and mainstream by the 80's before that even weightlifting was seen as a negative thing to boxers plus rocky was 100% legit his shoulders look normal his head remained the same size he was a different breed all natural now all the meat has roids preservatives and comes from genetically modified animals its not a bad thing but different
Incidentally, these clowns have no idea what they're talking about. They know nothing about boxing.
totally agree, i was rather surprised at Joe`s lack of knowledge as well as some of his assumptions.
Yeah, it was a case of send in the clowns.
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Nothing about boxing? Mate, just because they get some things wrong dont mean you gotta be rude about it, if you know more then joe then good for you, dont gotta be a dickhead about it
@@julianfalken8861 stop being a fucking Stan you sad prick
@@jordibrookman3609 get some friends u mong
If Marciano wasn't as good as you think, there would be many undefeated heavyweights. He went 49-0 with 43 knockouts. Only 6 guys went the distance with Rocky, and he was smaller and lighter than most of the heavyweights he fought.
He fought in an era of weak heavyweights
@@canismajoris6733 There have been many weak eras, but nobody has retired at 49-0, with 43 knockouts in those eras.
@@ragasthegascap1 Had he not retired in 1956, he'd have to face Sonny Liston, who would've undoubtedly given him his first loss.
Rocky was great, but the best fighters he beat were past their prime and they still went the distance with him.
@@Pedro_Le_Chef Coulda, shoulda, woulda.
Marciano is simply the goat. 49 wins 43 Knockouts zero loses
You r wrong, Louis was 89, Elvis told me personally.
@@redfanartist4393 cry
Watch the Brawl in Montreal if you wanna see stamina. 15 rounds and still punching as hard as they were in the first round, that shit just isn't possible anymore. Maybe that is why fighters wanted to be a bit less bulky. For someone so open minded Joe sure has the blinders on sometimes.
That's an awesome fight for sure.
Or RAY LEONARD VS TOMMY HEARNS 1
The less bulky to have more stamina thing doesn't really hold any water. Jack Johnson, Joe Louis and Sonny Liston were incredibly well built and muscular for boxers and they could still go 15 rounds.
Jack Johnson especially, he was the most muscular and he went 20+ rounds back then.
Muscles dont kill your stamina, at least not for natural athletes like those guys.
I love how knowledgeable Joe is on fight history and fighting.
Joe Rogan is so full of shit. The fighters today do NOT have the stamina compared to the past. Marciano averaged 80 punches a round and often times had 100. The average heavyweight today does 40. Marciano could go 15 rounds, and the heavyweights today are damn near dead in later rounds.
Max Power Boxers before then would even go 30+
yep! If there were unlimited rounds it would be pretty tough for guys to beat Marciano. They could win on points in 12 round fights, and obviously Marciano is mortal and can be KO'd but damn he'd be a tough guy to beat even today.
@Matthew Not for the reasons you think. Athletes aren't really getting bigger, faster, and stronger at the rate you think.
Rogan is clearly ignorant on the subject. Marciano ran 5-10 miles every single day of his career.
Troll Marciano trained. Eight months a year. No one trained as hard . He had a 300 lb heavy bag he would pulverize him
And still The Heavyweight Champion of the World Rocky Marcino 49n0. R.I.P Champ.
Marciano keep coming for 15 rounds, unbelievable stamina
Joe Louis was a badass for a really long time,still is honestly
You have to remember though , that during the war years (39-45) and a year or 2 after , most of the good heavyweights were either fighting in or got killed in the war. Joe Louis had special exemption being the champ and genuinely did defend his title at least 15 times against genuine no hopers. Plus the 2 Schmelling fights, the first on Max was already past his prime and still won , the second fight he was way past his prime but as usually American Journalists only focus on the 2nd one. Plus Louis also lost toe Farr and Walcott when awarded dodgy decisions and was losing to Billy Conn quite easily until Conn got careless. Louis himself said he would have had a nightmare with Marciano at any stage of his career
Never use a boxer’s quote to support your argument of “who would beat who “ because all of them lie to show respect to the others.
The truest statement.
Omg!!! Quit making this poor old man think you know the answers to everything!!! Rocky was 28 years old and Louis was 37!!!
Eddie pepitone great comic
Jmndmb32 Max Schemling at 31 beat (KO) Joe Louis at 22 years old
btw, Rocky started really late. 25 yrs old!
George foreman won heavyweight title at 49/50
If you watch the fight and listen to the commentary, you can hear the commentators observe that Joe didn't look like the Joe that they were accustomed to. Let's face it, Rocky beat an old man who was way past his prime. Rocky was a great fighter but I doubt he would've beat the likes of Sonny Liston, Joe Frazier, Muhammad Ali or George Foreman. The left hook of Frazier would've done him in imo.
these guys should do their homework before they talk boxing
WILLRACE4FOOD I totally agree. Neither of them know shit and Rogan needs to shut the f up. He does not know his stuff. Max Shmare. Louis was 41. Etc. Oscar Bonavea. Jesus. Louis was 200 pounds. Brocktown. Yeah talk to your wife about boxing. She knows more.
they should do their homework when they talk....period
Yup they don't know shit. No fuckin way in hell the pussy pretty boys of today come close to those old school guys. They walked around ready to go 15 rounds on a weeks notice. Fought in horrible heat mid summer in ny. Lol.
I know right . Dude said they have the same stamina that’s BS .. 🤦🏾♂️😂😂😂
@@IndianJS This joe rogan guy should stick to mma
Hey Joe, as far as stamina goes, no one conditioned themselves more than Rocky Marciano in any era. Rocky Marciano loved to exercise.
He trained using a custom made 300lb punching bag. He used a speed bag but not like you would expect, he would hit it with hooks and slow power shots to work on his accuracy. He would power clean a heavy stone and toss it forward with both hands.
He did crunches that also combined kicking a heavy medicine ball out to the trainer.
He liked to run uphill in training (full speed) and then run backwards back down. Did this over and over.
He was known to do two hours of continuous calisthenics.
Sometimes Rocky went shoulder deep in a swimming pool and threw hundreds of underwater punches for about 45 minutes.
Jogged 6-7 miles every morning.( His uncle,Charlie Piccento, said he even did this on Christmas mornings as well.) Ben Bently, Rocky's press agent, said after signing for a fight he would increase to 9-10 miles. And then the last week before a fight he would increase 12-15 miles. And all this in hilly country! When training for a fight he was like a Monk - He secluded himself from wife and family sometimes up to 3 months before a fight, watched his diet, weight and muscle tone. A week before a fight he would see no mail, take no calls, meet no new acquaintances, not even shake hands (probably to avoid getting sick) or go for a car ride, and no new foods. Archie Moore - "...he just had more stamina than anyone else in those days. He was like a bull with gloves." Heavy weights today only need to go 12 rounds, Rocky could go 30 in his prime. If other fighters were in camp for two months, he would be in camp for four.
In support of what you stated about Rocky's stamina -- look at the fight with Jersey Joe Walcott when Rocky KO's Joe out in the 13th round. The ref signals Rocky to go to a neutral corner. What heavyweight fighter turns around in the 13th round after a KO of another man and RUNS to the neutral corner?
I never saw that with any fighter. Ever. That means Rocky had that much energy left in the 13th round after dooking it out with a guy like Jersey Joe Walcott? That's impressive. Few people ever notice that little scene.
There is a rock dedicated to Rocky right across from the house he lived in at Edgar playground in Brockton. Cool to see. Awesome hear the stories about Rocky. I love Brockton.
I love how his guest seems to have no memory left since the 60's. Quote:"Oscar Bonavena, fought this guy, euhm, I don't know, did he change his name? Cassius Clay?"
Rock's motivation for his unparalleled training and fighting wasn't that he wanted to win, as much as he was more afraid to lose. Big difference.
I beg to differ. I believe that Rocky's "Will to Win," was 2nd to none. He was completely fearless in the ring and his confidence in himself, allowed him to snatch Victory everytime.
49-0.
love to see this entire episode
Joe Louis was born in May of 14, this fight was in october of 51. Louis was 37 years old. Marciano was 28.
Marciano was a tank, and he probably was the strongest guy that ever fought at HW, even Ali, says this. Iron chin and a will that can't be measured with a punch that really hurt some people.... and come on man, Marciano would've KILLED Anthony Joshua... muscled fighters don't always equal the hardest punchers or the best endurance fighters... I mean Foreman phase one was a hulking horror, but George 2.0 was a friendly Buddha... but in both versions he could punch through a wall... whereas a guy like Frank Bruno looked like Hercules but was a pretty soft touch for the real monsters of that HW division.
Look there's no way a 185lb fighter is knocking out today's giants. Usyk had to bulk up to 220lbs to beat Joshua.
@@ronniep9272 Maybe you don't know how knockouts work but a 100lbs kid can knock out a 300lbs beast if the kid can generate enough lateral force. Being 300lbs of pure muscle doesn't give you an iron chin. All the pecs, abs, biceps and triceps growth in the world isn't going to make your chin any more resistant to twisting your brain stem.
@@MustardSkaven are you seriously suggesting that Lomachenko could knockout Tyson Fury?
@@ronniep9272 If Tyson Didn't fight back? Yeah, definitely.
Klitschko is a big dude but he didn't have a strong jaw at all. Size doesn't magically give you an iron jaw. It's genetics.
Maybe the point I was making went over your head?
@@MustardSkaven you're just full of nonsense. Fury has taken flush shots from Wilder and Klitschko without getting knocked out. Tell me, why are there weight classes in boxing?
Max Schemling at 31 years old beat (KO) Joe Louis at 22 years old
Schemling was a savage tho
Ares god of war yet never gets any respect or credit because he was a white man and none American
Boxing is so racial white fighters never get any respect
Santino Rocco Exactly, that’s why Wladimir Klitschko & Vitali Klitschko Dominated for over 15 years & never had media coverage. I never saw ESPN even mention the Klitschko brothers 😂 until Wladimir was 41 years old & lost to 26 year old Joshua 😂 Joe Calzaghe (46-0) etc.
@@IblewuponyourfaceIII Tyson Fury destroys your nonsense "double standard". He's not American and he's white. Noone paid attention to the Klitskos because they had no personality in or out of the ring.
That' Max Schmaer
“ Marciano was a grim, wrecking ball of a fighter...He’d hit you anywhere. He would have even hit you on the soles of your feet if he could have....” Bert Sugar.
I ASK FRANK SINATRA “HOW OLD WAS JOE LOUIS WHEN HE FOUGHT ROCKY?” HE SAID “JOE LOUIS WAS A 125yrs OLD 125!!!!!!” Lmao
lwwarren9485 137*
you aint never meet no frank sinatra
@@imdonearguing9389 Louis was 37,and had just won 8 fights in a row,all against younger competitors,including 3 knockouts.Joe was picked to win,and thought he was going to.Then he ran i to a rock.
Coming to America ! How did no one else catch that lol
They don't have stamina !!! There slow as heavyweights and it's only 12 rounds !!! Watch how joe frazier fought for 15 rounds !!!
ecdctechmma ali said rocky was better than joe frazier, even better stamina
@@spidersmokingacig_1168 I dont know man i always looked at frazier and Marciano and frazier as bein pretty equal.
Bobby Addams fair, who knows, would hav been good if they could hav fought in both their prime, would of been amazing
Fury, Wilder, Joshua are slow? Lmao, shut up.
@Cod Rez Wilder is fast as hell, he's just too wild for his own good and lacks fundamentals. AJ's cardio has improved greatly since the Klitschko fight and I haven't seen him gas out since. Plus his cardio has nothing to do with his speed.
Good discussion - raised with these fights, both my father & grandfather talking about them & watching them.
Joe Lewis and rocky Marciano two legends and two great guy's along with two real fighters of old.
The heavy weights today are sloppy bums compared to the heavyweight of even the 1990s
TJ McGregor how so
TJ McGregor many coach’s like Freddie Roach and Teddy atlas have also commented on this..today’s Fighters rely much more on physicality than slick technique. Ofcourse there are still plenty of great technicians now a days but as a whole it’s way down... but everyone is entitled to there opinion
The 90s had pretty much the best heavyweights of all time, a lot of them were big almost as big as today's too
TJ McGregor agreed. Joshua and Wildsr and Fury all look sloppy to me in one way or another ..but I guess it’s unfair to compare them to guys like Holmes, Ali, Spinks etc etc
Because the heavy weights weighed 220 and not 250 - 260
“Joe Louis was 75yrs old when Marciano beat him” said a barber in queens in the 1980’s 😂
I asked Frank Sinatra. I said, "Frank, you hang out with Joe Lewis, just between me and you, how old is Joe Lewis?" You know what he told me? He said, "Hey, Joe Lewis is 137 years old." 137 years old!
Nice reference!
NBC and ABC fights on the weekend were what I grew up on and it brings back alot of nostalgia
This is one of the most, if not THE most epic knockout of all time! The staggering of Louis, the camera angle, the announcer, the timing of Marciano's left-right, and of course Louis being sent cleanly through the ropes. Like Bobby Orr's 'flying goal', or the photo of Marilyn Monroe with her dress blowing in the wind. Absolutely legendary.
And for all the jokes about Louis being 'way too old', you know Foreman came back at 38 and fought until 48 or so, winning another title in the process right? At 45 he defeated a 26 year old Moorer. 37 is not old, and Louis would theoretically be stronger and have a much higher boxing IQ than Marciano here. Joe's failure to adjust his style (and training) for this fight, his possible financial troubles, and Marciano just being a complete physical beast (the likes of which haven't been seen before in the sport) were what did him in. His conditioning and discipline was on another level, even by today's standards.
I think the most "epic" knockout was Marciano knocking out Jersey Joe with that right hand. There is even a pic of the actually punch showing Walcott's facial contortion. Hardest punch I have ever seen, and I have seen a lot.
John Smith boxers like people age differently Joe Louis was an old 37 reflexes completely gone he didn't resemble the "The Brown Bomber" who absolutely destroyed Schmeling in their rematch and the Louis who finally caught up to and Koed Billy Conn in the slightest ! I say this but consider Marciano truly great I have him number three on my personal all time list of the greatest heavyweight champions behind only the Ali of the sixties and pre World War two Joe Louis ! Louis himself said he was never the same fighter after being in the Army stationed in Alabama for the four years of the war !
Lennox Lewis at 37 when he beat Vitali Klitschko in 2003.
@@kcash6359 especially since he was as losing the fight on points
The IRS initially determined Louis owed more than 100,000 in back taxes that was the only reason Joe came out of his first retirement to fight the then heavyweight champion Charles !!! By May of 1950 the IRS determined that Louis owed more than 500,000 Louis through out his comeback was fighting only because he owed the IRS and immense amount of money !!! Fighter like people age differently especially boxers in the 1950's and before compared to fighter in the 1990's also Michael Moorer wasn't even close to being an all time great heavyweight champion I have Marciano at number 3 on my personal all time heavyweight champions list behind only number 1 the Ali of the sixties and number 2 pre World War 2 Louis !!! Louis himself said that he was never the same fighter after spending 4 years stationed at Alabama in the Army during World War 2 he said this in his great biography "Brown Bomber" was fight with Rocky was more than 6 years after the end of World War 2 !!!
Marciano ran 15 miles a day in combat boots. And that’s just his road work. He’s widely considered to have been the best-conditioned heavyweight. Look him up. And a brutal fighter, both in the punishment he dished out and the punishment he took.
Marciano could beat any HW in any era the dog in him is more dog than you simple as that.. Marciano would not be denied. The greatest ever 🇮🇹
Franco Falcone Ali Tyson Frazier foreman and wilder would finish him inside 7 rounds btw fury would beat him by UD easily
Carl put down the crack pipe Lmao Tyson. Tyson was gassed before 6 rounds in 95% of his fights. Marciano would destroy Tyson and any of these wannabes today. Wilder would get that chin checked. Only guy with a chance would be George but he would lose too. Marciano was a machine. These guys didn’t have near the shape to me Rock
Marciano vs Frazier is one of my fantasy matchups. Both men didn't know the meaning of the word 'quit'
@@TheCj5651 Wilder? Stfu you moron
Carl Jackson hahhhaha good one
Love this guest. Such excitement for the sport.
Rocky was a pioneer of fight preparation and training to correct. His power came from his hips as he stayed low, making him harder to hit as boxers don't usually punch down, this also was in combo of exploding up from the hips. That earned him the still only undefeated heavyweight champ of all time. Side note, Rocky was at current boxing retirement age when he turned pro. His training to defend against Liston didn't go well so he retired, his intelligence to retire is scrutinized but a fighter knows themselves more than an internet troll.
"Archaic" as methods may have been back then, Rocky Marciano's by any standards, THE greatest conditioned heavyweight (probably just boxer) there's ever been. That's not even an argument.
Joe Louis was Marciano's hero. Joe said 'God took the best when he took Rocky Marciano'.
Every punch Rocky threw was a knockout punch, even if he was hitting the opponents arms that would eventually cause the opponents arms to weaken and get sore and drop, which opens them up. HE would shuffle in leading with his right foot and then lean in with his body weight when he would throw making his punch more devastating, it also gave him the ability to rock back on his hind leg to lessen the impact of a punch he couldn't avoid. Even if the opponent landed a punch Rocky would already be fading backwards with his stance and that would lessen the blow. He was an amazing fighter in many ways he knew how to beat a man's body to open his head and then knock them out. He knew that any one of the punches he threw could land a knockout if it were thrown hard enough and he knew how to move his head out of the way so that he wouldn't get knocked out. Amazing still the only heavyweight champion to never be defeated in the entire world.
Marciano is the one of the grittiest boxer.
Man, I LIKE BOXING!!
Tueem Syhu me to buddy boxing is the shit
Boxing is awesome
Boxing is the greatest sport
Marciano started boxing when most would be getting ready to retire. Even Ali said he wasn’t sure he could’ve beaten him. All things considered we can speculate, but he is one of the all-time greats.
Marciano started boxing at 18 . Most people don't retire at 18.
It's nice watching the ones Joe is really into.
My grandad is 95 years old .. he always tell me the story of when he was young and in the army a man in the back of an army truck who waved at him as it was driving past , he suddenly realized it was Joe Louis , and waved back.
49:0 Numbers don't lie, greatest boxer of all time. Undefeated!
Rocky Marciano 49-0 43 KO Legendary 👑🐐
There is no way in hell boxers of today’s era could have the stamina that boxers has back then.
Joe needs some lessons in boxing history. Big time.
Fun fact about Schmeling ( mentioned in the beginning) after the war he tried to work as a contruction worker (ruins etc) but had no experience - he fought again and with the money he made he actually acquired a Coca Cola License and was the first partner of Coca Cola in Northern Germany(mb whole West Germany) kinda amazing
Primo carnera was world champion back then and was 6”5 and 260 lbs ( and on steroids etc ) and Louis absolutely decimated him like nothing . Louis would do the same to Joshua . Boxers were dragged up the hard way back then .
Wtf stereoids in 30 what a bullshit....read his story Dude....he suffered a gigantism disturb....steroids?! Ahahahahah
Louis was on a winning streak when Rocky knocked him out.. he was 37 I think.
@Aaron Mills Yes and keep in mind the current champ Jersey Joe at the time was stacking younger ones like cord wood and Joe handed him his ass Lol Rocky was amazing by any time and any standard.And Joe was no has been, check his stats anytime. Jersey Joe was also late 30s- 37 also I think.
@Aaron Mills A true story, Rockies father was shot through the mouth as a Marine during WW1, he spit out his broken teeth and never missed a beat and kept on fighting- Years later somebody asked him that, he said my son was not the only tough one in this family. A quiet good man but lots smaller than Rocky.
props to the guest for remebering oscar bonavena "ringo" , he won ali in the shittalk before the fight , knock him down but loss to a KO , he is remember with love here in argentina , he was just a character!
The thing about Marciano, is, that he BEAT every challenger of his time. Every one. No if ands or buts. 49 and 0. Give him his props. Every challenger that offered, Rocky fought them, never backed down or hid!!! Just that facts, Mam!
Condition methods today are so superior" what complete bollox
It may be true... but I think its the heart & fighters today aren’t mentally as tuff
its true look at marciano fight joe louise they just leep going like machines
rocky marciano has the best stamina he throw 100 punchs each round for 15 rounds
Cause he trained in the nature, no BS like today's boxers, steroids, weightlifting all day and no boxing skills, only Tyson Fury can match Rocky .
“He doesn’t fight by the book but tonight I got hit by an entire library” - Joe Louis’ comments after losing to Rocky Marciano
Joe was at the end of his career, Beyond end.
Marciano started boxing 25. He was old when He started. Rocky was never happy to fight his Hero Joe Lewis. After the match He went to Lewis to respect him and He was in tears. Rocky was not happy to fight hs 38 years old Hero.
True I've read this also Joe only faught out of desperation. To pay his tax bill. Rocky knew this. Good to see respect between fighters. Sad to see great champions fight past thier prime.
Jack Dempsey in his prime would smash Anthony Joshua.
Llib Derku Dempsey was a beast but he would get his head knocked off
Forman vs Joshua?
Campay’ne Dempsey too fast, too aggressive, he would beat him up like he did the giant Jess Willard. Whom was bigger than Joshua.
Llib Derku But Jess Willard wasn’t Joshua... that’s the thing
Llib Derku not comparable. Willard was no where near as explosive an athlete as today’s top heavyweights
I don’t think today’s fighters can hold a candle to the conditioning of the fighters back in the day...
I’m related to Rocky Marciano he is from Brockton Massachusetts and I’m from North Attleboro Massachusetts. He was my grandfather’s uncle.
Forgive me for not knowing/remembering, but who is Joe Rogan's guest please?? I just can't place him at all lol
After researching rocky for a week I officially know more about him than 99.99% of people who claim to know something about him, time to bring back the past with facts and stop the spread of misinformation
Simply put the “Greatest Fighter” 49 fights 43 knockouts!IMO ever in the history of boxing! Don Turner said “Rocky Marciano “ was the hardest hitter ever in the history of 🥊 boxing! My Dad always told me how great Marciano was but I never thought ever I would see footage like this!
Amazing 49-0 ! Loved Jersey Joe as well, and The Cincinnati Cobra aka Ezard Charles and the great Joe Louis. Joe Rogan you must be high as always to say the fighters today are better in shape! No one today could stand up to The Great Rocky Marciano!
B.S he beat no great fighter IN THIER PRIME. He beat OLD former great fighters. Prime Ali, Tyson, Holyfield even Louis would have beaten him.
He gets credits he doesnt deserve. Notice how he made sure HE RETIRED AT ONLY 32. Because he knows what would have happened had he fought on past 36. So learn this before you start talking about greatest EVER.
@@fender1000100 archie moore the ko artist , rocky beat him , moore's boxing rec is incredible !
@@STEVEREEVES4444 Archie Moore was 41 years old when they fought. He was still good but not the same guy as 31 year old Archie Moore
Rocky Marciano cried when he beat Joe Louis as they were such close friends away from the ring. Joe Louis sobbed uncontrollably at Rocky’s funeral.
In Joe’s book he said he had underestimated Marciano. Marciano almost came out of retirement but his thoughts about how post-retirement had not worked for Joe Louis spoke loudly to him. So did Marciano’s back pain, so he stayed retired. Louis & Marciano became great friends.
@Fredrick Frederickson I read that it was around 1959-60, when Ingemar Johansson was champ, that Rocky started training. Apparently his back was still in pain when he boxed, just as it had been at the end of his career. Knowing how determined he was, my guess is that the pain factor was part of the reason to stay retired.
Joe should invite lou dibella, that boxing promoter he agrue's with during a live new interview whether boxing is greater than MMA.
Légende that video was classic