I got a 72 gto with a blown muncie in it. When you started rattling off your expenses for the swap my eyes started rolling in back in my head. Thank you for making this realistic for all of us as I almost made a big mistake. You saved me a divorce.
@@danhoyland142 muncies are cheap and easy to rebuild. But a tkx swap doesnt require any major surgery and is several thousand dollars cheaper. I got quotes for the t56 and tkx swap from tremec and the cost is quite a bit cheaper.
Most people like to deny the truth about the real costs, even to themselves. Obviously the installation could be done for far less than $10k, depending on what you already have and what parts may not be required.
Thank you for listing everything that it took to get this job done. I have a '70 Nova SS with a 4 speed borg Warner. I was debating on either a built Muncie with a gear vendor's overdrive unit, or the T56 Magnum. I don't race but I like my car to be fast from light to light. I would also like to lower engine RPM while on the highway. After your video I'm thinking the Muncie and gear vendor's may be the way to go.
Interesting video man..... I'm on the home stretch of installing a T-56 in my 74 Roadrunner and i wish i only had what you have into yours..... I had a TKO 600 in it before and i couldn't make it last. With over 700hp, shift points at 7200 rpm, and a car they weights over 4000lbs, the TKO 600 couldn't handle it..... I got my T-56 from Silver Sport and also had the "Extreme Performance" upgrade done to it. They say it's good for 9000rpm shifts and over 900 ft/lbs..... Guess we'll see.....I live in ND so i too am a prisoner of winter!!!! Good luck and thanks again!
@@SS454LS6 I'll put together something once it's finished... Just a quick recap.... Other than the obvious tunnel mods, i had to delete the bolt in torsion bar crossmember then modify and reinforce the chassis so the torsion bars could be mounted direct and remove the center section of the transmission crossmember which is a structural part of the chassis, so that too required extra reinforcements welded in. It's by the time it's finished it'll have taken 10 months to complete.
Hi, @SS454LS6. Thank you SOOO much for this video. There was a reason why I waited. I was going to purchase the T56 kit about 8 months ago.. My 69 Chevelle is having body work done as we speak so, I'll wait until that's done.. I was a bit hesitant to purchase the hydraulic kit.. from what you said and from what others said. I'll stick to manual linkage and I will use the factory crossmember as well. I'll just fabricate as necessary. Thank you VERY much again for this video. Great work btw. I am a subscriber to your channel. God bless!
I recently got an install kit from American Powertrain for my duster and to be honest I wish I would have just sourced all the parts myself. Their customer service is trash, they sold me parts I didn’t need and wouldn’t take back, and the “bolt in” cross member wasn’t even close to fitting. The transmission is cool though
I just bought a FTI th400 street/strip plus I'm adding a gear vendors drive. Transmission swaps can be very expensive but as long as you're satisfied. It doesn't matter
I mentioned in the video they are Canadian Prices. Factor roughly 25-30% less to convert to USD. $2000 for everything but the transmission, I wish. Clutch, Bellhousing, and Driveshaft will get you to $2k USD alone.
Didn't you install the american powertrain hydramax hydraulic clutch but you didn't use the hydraulic throw out bearing that was supplied? May I ask why?
I wanted a higher quality release bearing so I went with a Tilton. I liked that it doesnt use shims to set the spacing. I used the hydramax mount and master cylinder, I never had their TO bearing.
@@SS454LS6 damn that sucks... I been putting it off but after seeing this I feel like selling my trans..I have the gm super magnum... Maybe i will just go with the tkx...
@@mikegomez5796 I certainly don't regret the T56 Magnum at all. I love the 6 speed. A TKX is a great alternative, but the 2 OD gears gives additional benefits. Clutch and throwout bearing selection will still be the same issue for either transmission.
The T56 Swap was honestly one of the best decisions I’ve made on my build. So much better than the T5! Sub’d for new content! I’m going to need to binge your other vids quick
It's been awhile, but if I recall at speeds around 60 mph, I was below 1500 rpm. I really loved the 3.31s for highway cruising. By my 454 was happy at those low rpms. I once cruised as low as 1200 rpm on a flat road, sustained speeds.
@SS454LS6 i believe mine are 3.73. Im still trying to decide if i got with the tkx or the t56. I like the idea of going t56 for when i swap the 396 to and lt4 or lt5. Then i already got the proper transmission
@SS454LS6 i have access to a 4 post lift and a full welding shop at my brothers. So thats a non issue. Just turns a 2 day project into a 7 day project. The qa1 suspension needs to go in first cause my suspension is shot. I bottom out on every lil bump.
Quick question! I just installed the same transmission in my 70 chevelle. Was your clutch pedal pretty solid and then adjust later on? Self adjusting clutch kit from mcleods along with the clutch pedal kit.
Hey, quick question: If the TKX was out when you did your swap, would you have chosen that? Or do you like the extra overdrive gear? I have a 72 Cutlass with a 455 Olds and I am trying to choose. Thanks!
@@SS454LS6 thanks for the quick reply. I’ve heard under 2000 rpm or not enough throttle and these dual disc clutches can have floater plate chatter. Perhaps the RST would be quieter for the street.
@@onsturn That does exist. For me it was right around 1800-2000 rpm. It's because the clutch discs do not have any springs to dampen the harmonics. RXT or RST, both will have same condition.
What gears are you running in the rear? Rear Gears will make the biggest improvement, it will feel like a different car but for the street, I wouldn't go over a 4.10 gear. You'll be glad you have a 6 speed. I just started watching your channel / New Sub. I'm looking to put a Vortec L29 454 in a 69 Chevelle and trying to find the best manual trans for the swap. That is how I found your channel.
I have a 71 Chevelle as well and have a very similar setup. Just purchased a FITech System. Having some struggle with getting performance back. Wondering if you could send me your setups for FiTech as a start point. I have a 496 CI with T56 6 Speed. No ignition control. Your videos are very helpful
Unfortunately it's very unlikely one FiTech setup will work on another engine and be good. Have you tried looking at the pro-tuning video? A lot of my values can be seen in those videos.
@@SS454LS6 wondering if I could send you my log file from a couple of runs. Feel like I'm chasing my tail on tune. Have a 1800 rpm bog and 3900-4850 rpm power drop. Numbers don't look bad from a AFR TRIM side but still can't get it solid on a run. Also on soft role in runs it has solid power just not wot.
@@michaeljohnston8046 do you have a distrubter like the holly hyper spark that talks to the fuel injection? if you are running factory or something like an msd. you might not have enough timing. or the springs in your distruster might be to strong. so the weights don't flip out fast enough to advance your timing at the bottom end, i have a 396 that has 500hp to the tires and it did the same thing. buddy and i changes some springs and weights. its much better now.
If I was willing to spend more money, I'd go with maybe a Liberty built T56. I am not sure what the diff is between a T56 Mag and Super Mag are. Shows same torque rating, gear set, and physical dimensions.
Nope. I changed to a 3/4 bore MC, got perfect alignment, switched to -4AN hoses, rebled the system. Still stiff. I will have to pull the transmission out to check anything further.
@@SS454LS6 I found you about 1 week ago, and have seen some of your videos, I can say it will be perfect before to long that car is your Pride and Joy, it will be perfect Brother keep up the good work and the videos.
I can see spending this kind of money if you think you're going to win a lot of races at the track. Thankfully just a guy that wants to drive my blazer, LOL and it didn't cost me anywhere that much. Nonetheless thank you for taking us through all the parts you needed.
Just fast forwarded through you’re yammering ... You showed me nothing .. yada yada .. Nothing but dribble .. Thanks, oh Wise One .. “Not” ............
I got a 72 gto with a blown muncie in it. When you started rattling off your expenses for the swap my eyes started rolling in back in my head. Thank you for making this realistic for all of us as I almost made a big mistake. You saved me a divorce.
Simp
@@danhoyland142 muncies are cheap and easy to rebuild. But a tkx swap doesnt require any major surgery and is several thousand dollars cheaper. I got quotes for the t56 and tkx swap from tremec and the cost is quite a bit cheaper.
Thank you! No one ever wants to talk about it. For $10k I would rather just get 2 or 3 cars that are already manual.
Most people like to deny the truth about the real costs, even to themselves. Obviously the installation could be done for far less than $10k, depending on what you already have and what parts may not be required.
Thanks for the real world cost and we can minus the few things we don’t need. Make sure you update us with any problems.
I don’t have any idea how I am going to convince my wife I need to make this purchase
Thank you for listing everything that it took to get this job done.
I have a '70 Nova SS with a 4 speed borg Warner. I was debating on either a built Muncie with a gear vendor's overdrive unit, or the T56 Magnum.
I don't race but I like my car to be fast from light to light. I would also like to lower engine RPM while on the highway.
After your video I'm thinking the Muncie and gear vendor's may be the way to go.
Interesting video man..... I'm on the home stretch of installing a T-56 in my 74 Roadrunner and i wish i only had what you have into yours..... I had a TKO 600 in it before and i couldn't make it last. With over 700hp, shift points at 7200 rpm, and a car they weights over 4000lbs, the TKO 600 couldn't handle it..... I got my T-56 from Silver Sport and also had the "Extreme Performance" upgrade done to it. They say it's good for 9000rpm shifts and over 900 ft/lbs..... Guess we'll see.....I live in ND so i too am a prisoner of winter!!!! Good luck and thanks again!
You have got to get some vids of your road runner up. Would love to see how the install went in a Mopar too.
@@SS454LS6 I'll put together something once it's finished... Just a quick recap.... Other than the obvious tunnel mods, i had to delete the bolt in torsion bar crossmember then modify and reinforce the chassis so the torsion bars could be mounted direct and remove the center section of the transmission crossmember which is a structural part of the chassis, so that too required extra reinforcements welded in. It's by the time it's finished it'll have taken 10 months to complete.
@@74beeper97 and the tv shows and magazines make it seem like a weekend installation.
Hi, @SS454LS6. Thank you SOOO much for this video. There was a reason why I waited. I was going to purchase the T56 kit about 8 months ago.. My 69 Chevelle is having body work done as we speak so, I'll wait until that's done.. I was a bit hesitant to purchase the hydraulic kit.. from what you said and from what others said. I'll stick to manual linkage and I will use the factory crossmember as well. I'll just fabricate as necessary. Thank you VERY much again for this video. Great work btw. I am a subscriber to your channel. God bless!
Great to hear, and thank you for subscribing. Hope your Chevelle comes out awesome!
Thank you!
I recently got an install kit from American Powertrain for my duster and to be honest I wish I would have just sourced all the parts myself. Their customer service is trash, they sold me parts I didn’t need and wouldn’t take back, and the “bolt in” cross member wasn’t even close to fitting. The transmission is cool though
Damn I did a nv5600 4x4 swap in my 08 mega cab dually 6.7 cummins from a 01 cab and chassis truck for 2500$ and bunch of fluid
Thanks for sharing. I got a shop to do a swap for my Chevy for $7k
American? Cus his in CAD
I just bought a FTI th400 street/strip plus I'm adding a gear vendors drive. Transmission swaps can be very expensive but as long as you're satisfied. It doesn't matter
i picked up a z32 300zx 5 speed for $200 and a g force adapter for $600. total swap about $1200 for my 72 chevelle w/5.3 .
These are canadian prices, you can get a brandnew T-56 magnum f right now for about $3300
Another couple of grand for everything else
I mentioned in the video they are Canadian Prices. Factor roughly 25-30% less to convert to USD. $2000 for everything but the transmission, I wish. Clutch, Bellhousing, and Driveshaft will get you to $2k USD alone.
Factor in Harris Bidenomics?
Didn't you install the american powertrain hydramax hydraulic clutch but you didn't use the hydraulic throw out bearing that was supplied? May I ask why?
I wanted a higher quality release bearing so I went with a Tilton. I liked that it doesnt use shims to set the spacing. I used the hydramax mount and master cylinder, I never had their TO bearing.
Did u ever find out what the problem is with your stiff throw out bearing?
Nope. I looked at or changed everything but the throw out bearing itself, nothing really made a big difference.
@@SS454LS6 damn that sucks... I been putting it off but after seeing this I feel like selling my trans..I have the gm super magnum... Maybe i will just go with the tkx...
@@mikegomez5796 I certainly don't regret the T56 Magnum at all. I love the 6 speed. A TKX is a great alternative, but the 2 OD gears gives additional benefits. Clutch and throwout bearing selection will still be the same issue for either transmission.
The T56 Swap was honestly one of the best decisions I’ve made on my build. So much better than the T5!
Sub’d for new content! I’m going to need to binge your other vids quick
with your 3.31 gearing what rpm do you get on the hwy in 6th gear?
It's been awhile, but if I recall at speeds around 60 mph, I was below 1500 rpm. I really loved the 3.31s for highway cruising. By my 454 was happy at those low rpms. I once cruised as low as 1200 rpm on a flat road, sustained speeds.
@SS454LS6 i believe mine are 3.73. Im still trying to decide if i got with the tkx or the t56. I like the idea of going t56 for when i swap the 396 to and lt4 or lt5. Then i already got the proper transmission
@@tylermccoy5517 Can't go wrong with a T56 Magnum. But it may require major surgery as seen with mine.
@SS454LS6 i have access to a 4 post lift and a full welding shop at my brothers. So thats a non issue. Just turns a 2 day project into a 7 day project. The qa1 suspension needs to go in first cause my suspension is shot. I bottom out on every lil bump.
Quick question! I just installed the same transmission in my 70 chevelle. Was your clutch pedal pretty solid and then adjust later on? Self adjusting clutch kit from mcleods along with the clutch pedal kit.
My clutch pedal has always been stiff as f--k. I went through so many different things, and nothing really made a significant difference.
Holy shit I have 780 bucks in my swap
did you swap a t56 tho?
I did mine in 1999 s10 for about 5500$ did all my work myself except my driveshaft, nice vid
I budget build only problem is it takes way more time. But it’s worth it to me.
Feel this. Spent 2,000 to make 530 na from a sbc 355😂😂😂 took a month and a half of on and off and looking but did it lmao
Is that in Canadian money?
yes
Hey, quick question: If the TKX was out when you did your swap, would you have chosen that? Or do you like the extra overdrive gear? I have a 72 Cutlass with a 455 Olds and I am trying to choose. Thanks!
I would still go with the T56. The 2 overdrives is really nice.
Do you still have the RXT clutch? Did the chatter ever get any better? I’m considering the RST but heard they chatter also.
Yes I still have the RXT. It really only chatters if I don't have enough RPM or slip on the launch.
@@SS454LS6 thanks for the quick reply. I’ve heard under 2000 rpm or not enough throttle and these dual disc clutches can have floater plate chatter. Perhaps the RST would be quieter for the street.
@@onsturn That does exist. For me it was right around 1800-2000 rpm. It's because the clutch discs do not have any springs to dampen the harmonics. RXT or RST, both will have same condition.
What gears are you running in the rear? Rear Gears will make the biggest improvement, it will feel like a different car but for the street, I wouldn't go over a 4.10 gear. You'll be glad you have a 6 speed.
I just started watching your channel / New Sub.
I'm looking to put a Vortec L29 454 in a 69 Chevelle and trying to find the best manual trans for the swap.
That is how I found your channel.
What trans did u end up doing?
I have a 71 Chevelle as well and have a very similar setup. Just purchased a FITech System. Having some struggle with getting performance back. Wondering if you could send me your setups for FiTech as a start point. I have a 496 CI with T56 6 Speed. No ignition control. Your videos are very helpful
Unfortunately it's very unlikely one FiTech setup will work on another engine and be good. Have you tried looking at the pro-tuning video? A lot of my values can be seen in those videos.
@@SS454LS6 wondering if I could send you my log file from a couple of runs. Feel like I'm chasing my tail on tune. Have a 1800 rpm bog and 3900-4850 rpm power drop. Numbers don't look bad from a AFR TRIM side but still can't get it solid on a run.
Also on soft role in runs it has solid power just not wot.
@@michaeljohnston8046 do you have a distrubter like the holly hyper spark that talks to the fuel injection? if you are running factory or something like an msd. you might not have enough timing. or the springs in your distruster might be to strong. so the weights don't flip out fast enough to advance your timing at the bottom end, i have a 396 that has 500hp to the tires and it did the same thing. buddy and i changes some springs and weights. its much better now.
"better than drugs!" thank you for sharing
I hate to say it, but what other trans mission would you run..... T56 Super Mag are just awesome.
If I was willing to spend more money, I'd go with maybe a Liberty built T56. I am not sure what the diff is between a T56 Mag and Super Mag are. Shows same torque rating, gear set, and physical dimensions.
What seats are those?
Procar Rally
@@SS454LS6 do you like those seats?
@@charlesgreathouse7376 I do
would the master cylinder bore size be a issue? It came with a 3/4 , did you go with the 13/16?
Had a 13/16 M/C, switched to 3/4... no major diff.
Did you ever resolve the stiff pedal issue?
Nope. I changed to a 3/4 bore MC, got perfect alignment, switched to -4AN hoses, rebled the system. Still stiff. I will have to pull the transmission out to check anything further.
Nice video
Thanks
Yeah but are you Happy Brother? I'll bet you are. Thanks for the reality my Canadian frei
I'm happy with the transmission... not 100% satisfied with the clutch.
@@SS454LS6 I found you about 1 week ago, and have seen some of your videos, I can say it will be perfect before to long that car is your Pride and Joy, it will be perfect Brother keep up the good work and the videos.
@@martysheets6882 Thanks! Anyone that owns these cars will feel defeated once in awhile, so it's nice to hear the encouragement from time to time.
Canada?
Yes
Good move. I am pretty sure your will get your gas money back on this swap, depending how much you drive.
Hi sir how are you
What’s the best t56 or tko 600 for 67 camaro?
TKO will require less cutting, so maybe slightly easier to install. T56 is stronger and the 2 overdrives are preferable.
Can I fallow you on instagram or Facebook?
@@ayadabdulrazzaq1158 instagram.com/ss454_ls6/
Some of that stuff is “Overkill” 😂
Shit man overkill is the only way! 🤘
Racing isn’t for the faint hearted and wallet shy! LOL!! probably add another $1000.00 to $1500.00 in labor 😜 Thanks for sharing 👍🏻👍🏻
So true! At say a pretty common $110/hr shop rate, I'd say I saved an easy $2500 in labor. It took 2 hrs just to weld the tunnel.
Not even close to 1k lol. Its a $3500 job if all goes smooth, if not and custom fab work has to be done its even more. Completely depends on the car.
Some one tell me how that makes sense
Ill keep my th350.
This car is better than drugs, I guess......WELL SAID MY MAN, WELL SAID........
OK, I'll stick with my TH400!!!
I can see spending this kind of money if you think you're going to win a lot of races at the track.
Thankfully just a guy that wants to drive my blazer, LOL and it didn't cost me anywhere that much.
Nonetheless thank you for taking us through all the parts you needed.
Oops, Friend.
😮😮😮
Bro, ditch the rug.
Just fast forwarded through you’re yammering ... You showed me nothing .. yada yada .. Nothing but dribble .. Thanks, oh Wise One .. “Not” ............
what did you expect? it a was a cost break down. it was literally in the title?