TREMEC T56 MAGNUM-F vs LS T56 vs TR6060 vs MAGNUM XL
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In this video I am comparing the new Tremec Magnum-F (F for Fbody) 6-speed transmission. This transmission is a direct replacement for the LS T56 guys without the cost of machining and modifying an existing magnum. Now you can order one direct from Tremec setup as a direct swap.
In the video I compare the transmission to the regular T56 Magnum, along with the Magnum XL, the LS T56 also known as the Borg Warner T56 (F-body Camaro), the Tremec TR6060 (Camaro), and I threw in a T5 and TKO for fun as well.
If you are looking for anything Tremec related or looking to purchase a new transmission please visit my site www.grannasrac... - I have Magnum-F's IN STOCK! Along with everything else Tremec, as well as McLeod clutches, the full line of Driveshaft Shop products, as well as the complete line of Holley products.
Thanks so much for making this video! I'm not a supra guy. I have an all stock 06 Pontiac GTO that needs a transmission. Doing some research, and seeing that places like Tick want 4200 bucks for a bolt in magnum with a modified Fbody/GTO tailhousing. Then i find your blog on your website and realized Tremec is cutting out the middle man for us guys with OEM applications and selling it direct for essentially the same price as a box stock magnum. This is big news and nobody is talking about it!
Is the GTO one of those rebadged Holden Monaco's they have in the states?
@@jordanbowey4175 yeah basically a left hand drive holden monaro with pontiac stickers on it
Love my TR6060 not the slickest gear shift action but a lovely spread of six gears with immense strength and a reasonable weight.
Man i appreciate all of the info you’ve provided in this video. I’m building an ls3 Miata and been trying to figure out the better transmission. C5 t56 sounds like my best bet. Appreciate you sharing your knowledge.
I've been waiting for these for a long time. for my 92 Camaro. i didn't want to cut up my car and install an expensive sifter to move it back 5in.
I have them in stock! Let me know info@grannasracing.com if you’d like a quote on one
I have a stroker 383 with an LT1 based T56 in my 89 formula firebird. My car was a factory 305tpi / 700r4 car but I didnt have to cut my tunnel farther back. I attempted a lt1 center console and it all fit perfectly fine. The console was junked and I made a custom metal one to hold my switches in something stronger than plastic. This was back in 2001 or so when I built that car. I still have it. The biggest problem back then was getting a clutch to hold and actually last because the engine was a bit over built for driving on the street but I did it anyway. You dont need to cut up your tunnel to run a T56 unless you moved the engine back, as far as I know. I think I remember something about t5 cars that went to a T56 would have to cut about an inch off the back of their tunnel's shifter hole. I don't know your build though. The T56 conversion was rather easy with a car that started off as an auto
@@jonathanhudson4623 I had a buddy swap a normal t56 Mag and 6.0L in a 87 IROC and he had to extend is shifter 3in+cut the tunnel to reach the stock location.
Great Job Joel. This is what I’ve wanted since I did this swap.
Been waiting for them to release these trans since I started doing these swaps
I really appreciate the great details in this video, Thank you!
Well done! About time someone made a vid like this. Order to New Zealand coming up soon!
Thanks, been so busy but this just needed to be done... been wanting to make this video for over 2 years
Wow, lots of great technical info on the different types. Thank you, I’ll be in touch soon.
A very good breakdown of the Tremec line.
Damn it ! Only if I waited till that f body version cam out. Would have saved so much time with my Firebird
RIP headphone users....
Sorry ☺️☺️
@@GrannasRacing wondering is it posible to use a core shifter 1993-02 Camaro Z28 Firebird Trans Am t56 on a 2010 camaro tr6060 with the shifter relocated forward modd??
I found a cheap shifter relocator from a 99-02 n already removed the oem tr6060 n need a shifter upfront now for the tr6060 so wondering if it was possible pretty much what im askin
@@joserodriguez-of7sr great video thanks
What t56 transmission would you use in a 72 Chevelle 4 speed so the shifter and hole on in the floor not changed there is a factory console?
Joel. You are my hero.
have to crank up the volume so high to hear you speaking dude that when the quarter mile runs cut in, my ears bleed.
IT just happened to me, had to scroll down and look for this comment, I find solace in the fact that im not alone
I had a TKO 500 for my mustang and it didn’t want to shift past 6k so I sold it. If you want a strong T5 you have to go with the Astro A5 from Astro performance. Stock case rated at 585 ft/lbs. shifts like a stock T5 past 6700 plus it’s still light. Major upgrades to all internals and both shafts.
Those rear housings have been used in Australia since 1999. They were the only ones we could use to fit the T56 into the Commodore/Monaro (GTO).
These rear housings were also used here in the USA on the Fbody 99+ camaro, and GTO here as well.
Grannas Racing that’s because the GTO was built here in Australia, same floor pan as 1997-2006 Commodore. 😂😂
Really good video on the Tremec T-56 Magnum and LS style transmission. Great detail amd application knowledge as well. I like how you even showed some love for the 5spd too. Is the Magnum XL available for the 351W motors? I'm currently running a TKO 600 behind a mid 500 hp/tq 408. I'm currently having a Dart Iron Eagle block 434w being built: will be 700 plus on motor with a 200 shot of NOS. Thinking about selling my TKO and upgrading.
If it were me... I’d send the TKO600 out for upgrades. Cryo treat gears/shafts. Face plate the syncro’s ect.
@@matthewnosal6893 I'm considering that too. I've heard some say the TKO 600 is actually stronger than the 6 speeds and break less at thr track. Obviously I can't substantiate that claim but I do know a lot of drag racers who say the same.
Rdubfalco ....and if you’re already set up for it. Clutch, bell housing, shifter ect... miles ahead in the money part. Starting from the ground up. Yeah a T56 sounds enticing but damn it’s big buck$$$.
For those of you who’ve run the stock T56 and switched over to the newer F-Body magnum, how was the difference? I know power wise it can hold more, but how did it feel as far as engagement, power you threw at it etc? I know a good T56 in good shape can take a beating but the newer looks and sounds like a beast.
Lastly is it worth the price?
Thank you for yalls input.
Very nice comparison however would have liked a few minutes on what synchros came in what transmissions. I have T56 in 98 LS Camaro, and 96 Viper GTS and you need a crowbar to shift them. *Are any made triple cone for all forward gears?*
That’s insane that it went a 7 I’d love one of these
Interesting.
I have a 2nd gen Camaro with a 383 LT motor. Was wondering if i could fit a 5 speed in it but if this works might as well go for a six speed.
As far as i seen the tr6060 in Australia have removable bell housing like the magnum but the same flange output and remote shifter with the 2.66 ratio. I have one sitting in my shed and it took me ages to figure out wtf it was.
Yep, but i am 99% sure the falcon/Aussie tr6060 also has the issue with the input shaft not being right length for the 2jz bell. Basically gotta swap the input for a GM version. And it’s not super easy on these trans, gotta tear down the entire gearset
@@GrannasRacing Yeah we use the GM/Holden one not the ford as it has the correct length input shaft and it is more common then the ford ones. Also can be had for less than 700usd used. Pretty cool to see how different it is across the ditch.
TheKozary if they could be found here for $700 would make it worth it for sure
Great video. That literally looks like my LS-1 FD in the background.
Thanks so much for this breakdown. It helped me a lot. Is the TR6060 larger/taller in size than the T56 Magnum from Tremec? I bought a TR from a 2010 Camaro for my S13 240SX and it’s looking like the top of the trans tunnel will need to be cut for the TR to even fit.
How did this work out for you?
which magnum is direct bolt on for 03 cobra?
Thank you and I really appreciate the time you took to explain the different versions of transmissions . By the way the audio was perfect.
I'm running a coyote in a 1995 ford thunderbird which magnum would pair up to a coyote in that body good ? Or tremec 5 or 6 speed that will handle 700-750 horpower? Keeping it low on power !
Great video.. I’m more knowledgeable about this trans now
Hi can anyone tell me at what sort of power level you need to consider going to a steel bell housing. I have an LS 427 and t56 going in an AC (Shelby) Cobra. Not intending to do any drag racing or super hard launches however you never know what could happen if I get challenged at the lights haha. Engine is NA making around 680 hp. Clutch is rated to 950 lb ft which is well above where the engine should be at so not really expecting a clutch failure I dont think...Should I be worried?
Audio when talking is way too low(not wearing headphones).
I need to get a better setup than iPhone audio, in my shop the sound doesn’t cooperate
@@GrannasRacing sounds alright on my phone lol
Question,can you power shift a t56 magnum reliably???
Cant wait for the s2000 kit
I bought my tr6060 off a challenger for 500(steal) i bought an aluminium plate to make an adapter for about 180. Im going to use stock bellhousing off my rx7 and just swap out the center on the clutch plate itself maybe 50-100 bucks. So round it up to 800 max for a tr6060 swap into a rx7 not bad at all. Thats 2 turbo 2 fc transmissions 😬
Is the input shaft length the same on the LS T56 and the Magnum XL? Could I mate the Magnum XL to an LS motor with the LS bell housing? What slave cylinder would I use in that application? Sorry for all the questions. Getting ready to bite the bullet and not sure if it’ll work out.
...and I can't even get my Dodge TR6060 out of 1st to N during start up. 🙄 Factory shifter Sucks and the shifts are notchy. Nothing like the T5's I rowed years ago.
*WHAT FLUID DO YOU RECOMMEND?
*The only Aftmkt. shifters I've found are Hurst or Barton remotes ('19 Challenger)
Any recommendations?
Oh, man. I might be back on the fence about getting one of your kits instead of the HGT dog box....
How do you like it compared to the CD009? Which would you recommend for the 2JZ to G35 Coupe Conversion?
well the T56 Magnum is rated for higher TQ, has way more aftermarket support, and a wide selection of gear ratios to match up to diff ratrios, however the cd009 was designed to fit in G's and 350's so it would probably be a relatively easy swap into ur car.
I talked to you on the phone about an rx7 fc kit ,I hope you don’t forget the Fc people.we are waiting!
After race season!
Can we get a measurement from the front of the quicktime 2jz bell housing to the shifter for the Magnum-F?
Thanks man, I learnt some good stuff.
Thanks for the clarification. Been wondering what's the difference between all models.
Anyone put a Tremec Magnum 6 speed behind an LT5 in a C4 ZR1 ?
When I saw these back in May, I figured this was the direction you’d take so I waited. Having a tax sale in april?
Yep! I usually do a tax sale and a Black Friday sale
I just checked your site. How do I choose the option for the magnum F transmission for an FD RX-7 with a 13b?
Does the F change anything for auto Supra owners wanting to do the swap? (Ex your tunnel adapter etc. Do you still recommend your smaller piece rather than drilling out and switching tunnel to the oem Toyota manual tunnel?)
If you're going for a lower horsepower application in a Supra (I know, that combo shouldn't exist haha), using a LS T56...could you modify the front plate to allow for the hydraulic lines to run out the bottom...cut the material to make the "window"? All other adaptors/bellhousing/etc. that you sell for the Mag F kit should bolt up and allow it to work, yes?
Yea, you can run the LS T56 with it, it has two notches in the bell at the top where you could get the lines out, its just kinda tight with the tunnel there. The LS synchros don't like the RPM's as much tho
Is there a good reason to put the low speed reverse near the high speed gears on the far side? What is the problem with putting all the low speed gears on the same side?
Super informative video. I learned a ton from it. A question, What transmission would fit best in a 2nd Gen Camaro in your opinion for the best shifter location? I expect to have to do modifications to the tunnel as needed. The plan is to connect it to a LSX block and Quicktime bell housing. Thanks a bunch!
You’d want the “regular” magnum. I have them in stock. If you want a quote send me a message. Grannasracing.com/quote
@@GrannasRacing Will definitely be calling you because of you knowledge and support. Getting close now for that on my 70. Finished both quarters, tail panel, DSE mini tubs, new firewall and raising the floor under the back seat for dual exhaust. I want to prep the tunnel work but need the tranny, bell housing and block. I have a Art Morrison front subframe now.
The shifters for the direct mount (forward location under the plate) is it the same shifter for the CTS-V T56, the regular T56 and the 6060?
The 6060 uses a shift rod that comes out of the tailcase. If you mean “LS t56” when you say “regular t56” then the magnum-F is exactly the same dimensionally. Not sure on the ctsv… but I think it’s the same as the camaro 6060 just with different shifter
Several questions: Is there any reasonable dog-ring upgrade for any of these? Would you rec the long ratio for a street car? Which one do you pick for/how do you set up a Corvette-style transaxle in a custom application? I'm trying to decide between a 6-speed manual vs a ZF8-speed auto for my "dream" project car. Goal is to not have a ridiculous cruise RPM, still have a good holeshot, and no "the split between these gears is too long" like with my current trans (though that can also be attributed to not enough power and RPM since I'm stock RN, lol), and be enjoyable and daily-able.
reach out to Liberty's Gears in michigan if you need your TR6060 or transaxle transmission upgraded. they make the parts and will rebuild your transmission with them.
How easy would it be to put one of these in a truck with the NV3500?
Hi, is it possible to fit this gearbox in the Mazda RX-7 FC 1990 Turbo II?
I want to do a 1jz swap and wanted to k ow which t56 would be the best for my setup....im plan on daily and track racing this car from time to time maybe take the car out to some drift events
Hi mate do u do a steel bellhousing for borgwarner 6 speed, bellhousing depth 5 inches
que transmision es mejor poner en mi dodge magnum 2005 r/t
Joel, going to do LS3 swap 84 Z28 which trans is best.maybe LS7.thanks
I realize it's been two years since this was posted, but is there room to push the engine and tranny back, say, one inch? That may be enough to negate needing the shifter adapter... Regardless, thanks for sharing. Hard to believe that it shifts THAT smooth!
not if you ever want to service the transmission or change a clutch or do anything like that. You need that space to allow the engine to lean back so you can tilt the trans down and get to all the top bolts
Hey, Great video. I was hoping you could help me decide which 6 speed would work best with my application. I've got a 1970 Chevelle SS with coilover Suspension and a 454 Super t10 4 speed. My buddy has 6.2 out of a wrecked 2010 Escalade for sale. Which 6 speed manual would work best with that motor and be easiest to line up the shifter and linkage with my bucket seat floor console setup. Thanks for any help you can give me.
Steve, shoot me an email and we can discuss this, I’ll need some dimensions and I can get you setup. GrannasRacing.com/contact
I've been waiting for this F style for my Supra swap! I will be buying a full swap. Do you have a time frame in mind for when everything will be a go for the MKIV kit?
Thanks for all you do for the community!
I just gotta get the offset shifter handles made, other than that I have everything ready to rock!
Hi I'm interested in buying one of these and a clutch setup for a lsa for my Camaro.do you ship overseas? And what's the best way to get in contact with you guys?
I am guessing that the T56 f tail should line up with the 2jzgte mk3 install kit easier.
Ok I saw your answer in another post.
Is the speed sensor in both or just the F body T56
Mk3 uses regular magnum. Lines up near perfect, check out my website for the mk3 kit pictures www.grannasracing.com/products/mk3-supra-t56-magnum-swap-kit-2jz-mkiii-jza70
Also the magnum-f does NOT have the mech speed output which the mk3 needs.
One thing I may have missed is this, Is the shifter location on the 56magnum the same (Or can be made the same) as an f body oem t56? thanks!
Found it... thanks
Magnum F is same as Ls fbody, I have 100+ magnumF in stock if you are looking for one. Email me grannasracing.com/contact
Are the midplates or bellhousings interchangeable from a borgwarner to a magnum. Wondering how hard it would be to bolt one of these to my 96 viper.
Front plate patterns are all the same, yes.
Does the t56 magnum can fit a challenger rt ?
I guess the tko 600 would be great for my 69 c20. Will it fit behind a 6.0ls ?
Can you build a regular 90's T56 into a T56 Magnum/Magnum F? Does Tremec sell a kit?
Very, very informative!
thanks, very informative.
Can you post up the information/part number for the magnum tail housing
My 2006 Gto T56 blew up. Will the T56 Magnum fit?!
Which one would be best for a t56 swap into a 95 m3 coupe?
Any chance you can fix the sound on this and re-upload it? Have to crank the volume up to 100 to hear anything and then O O O REILLYS comes in with a commercial that wakes up my neighbors
I have an LS swapped FC rx7, would the new magnum F be a good choice or should I be running the regular magnum
Also this is a street car, what gear ratios should I shoot for 2.66 first gear magnum F? Or the 2.97
would this new F body trans alleviate the need to massage the tunnel on the FD rx7? if so then it is a really attractive option for those who want an upgrade without making permanent modifications to their car.
My rotary magnum kits require almost no modification to the tunnel other than light tapping right at the front of the tunnel hole. Check out this video, I talk about it here th-cam.com/video/efii5xAZx_8/w-d-xo.html
Which one would be the best option for me . On a 5.3 gen 1 motor . 2002 Chevy Silverado single cab . I appreciate the help in advance . God bless !
Prob best to shoot me an email and we can discuss the length to your shifter hole so I can make a recommendation. Grannasracing.com/contact
Grannas Racing okay i emailed you and texted the toll free number
Will t56 magnum bolt up on 4.8 ls engine?
Grannas Facing.i have a t56 out of a 2002 camaro.it looks like the bellhousing will bolt to the engine in my 77 vette.will it work?
Would need measurements to your shifter hole location. Email me if you want to discuss further info@grannasracing.com
Curious if you have any plans on developing/offering a S2000 kit with scatter shield to mate up to a S2000 F22 engine?
Yes, developing this winter
Do you make this set up for a rb30
I have an ls 2 in my 69 f body Camaro with a t56. The donor was Pontiac gto . It is a teut2066. What replaces that one In your line? Can you rebuild mine?
We are a two person operation so I really don’t have the time to rebuild yours. I can sell you the magnum-F that replaces yours. It is tuet16363 “wide” ratio. If you google that part # my site should pop up
@Joel, is there any chanse to fit this Mag on a VR6 engine or on a Volvo White block?
you would have to do some sort of custom block adapter or bell adapter. I don't have access to anything for VW/Volvo
@@GrannasRacing Yep. I know about the adapter. Thank you. Love your work and end results! Cheers from Bulgaria!
how will the fitment for the tranny and shifter be for the rx7/2jz?
This would be great if it could be used for the r32 r33 gtr skylines
my question is this, with 6th gear at 0.50 ratio, standard diff ratio is 3.266. whats the rpm at 70mph?
Prob 1500 rpm if that lol. Wouldn't be surprised if its lower.
*edit*
1700 rpm at 70 with 28 inch tall tire and ablit 1900 same speed with a 26.
I was surprised to see that the GTO (04-06) was not listed or mentioned. What does it have for a transmission? And which one do I need for my GTO for street racing/ drag racing? (800-1000 hp)
The GTO T56 is the same as the Fbody/LS/Camaro/Firebird T56, the only difference is the shifter is slightly different, and the "lever cup" for the shift rail is a bit different. You would need a Magnum-F
@@GrannasRacing thank you for the info and for the reply.
@@GrannasRacing so if I get the Magnum- F I can use the lever cup from my original transmission on to the Magnum-F?
@@GrannasRacing and obviously just use my GTO shifter?
Baby-Shark GTO yep
great video
Consider audio leveling your videos. Almost can't hear you speak, and then the car audio ends up very loud.
What modifications have you made, if any, to the Magnum F? What clutch?
For my racecar? It’s faceplated, I talk about it at @3:40
3 cones in syncros is why!
How much for T56 tranmission?
Do you guys have a payment plan? I need the full kit for an sc300 factory manual car Max power my car is gonna make is 700hp and 600ish torque
Email me through my website and we can talk options
How can I tell the difference between gto t56 vs f body
They are the same, only the “extension” shifter on the gto is different. But you can put the gto shifter on the magnum-F to make it work just the same
Can I use my magnum driveshaft with the magnum-F? Unchanged length?
The Fbody tailcase output is about 2" further forward, so you would need a longer driveshaft
Do those transmissions use computers
I would absolutely love like I would do one speakable things
so would a 06 gto t56 f body fit in a 2000 silverado ls?
Probably. I’d say the regular magnum (non-F) would probably put the shifter in the best location though
Do you prefer the wide or close ratio?
I sell 99 close ratios to only 1 wide. The wide has bigger gaps between 1-4 gears which causes a bigger drop in rpm on shifts, which causes a turbo application to fall out of power more on shifts.
I’m debating doing an LS swap on my 69 GTO, but I’m curious if a T56 magnum would work with the Pontiac 400?
I can set you up with a bellhousing to make the t56 magnum a bolt in swap. If you email me we can discuss, cause you might not need the magnum-f shifter location you might just need the regular magnum. Info@grannasracing.com
Grannas Racing thanks a million, I’ll email you shortly
Get an ls3
My tr6060 sucks in my viper, synchros stay bad, bought extended warrantee bc of it
Im getting a tr6060 swap in my 2012 Mustang Gt and what I’m hearing is it’s ass and I should have gotten a t56
Get some BMW E36 swap parts please. There’s no reliable sources within reason for much of the items.