Hey everyone! I wanted to let you know that together with my wife, we make these minimalistic hiking posters for various thru-hiking trails. You can check them out over here ➜ trailgoals.com/ (10% discount code: oscarhikes)
I just wear a fleece jacket I got from goodwill then add a wind/water resistant soft shell on top. I honestly feel like no matter what type of gear you have, mindful layering is really what will keep you warm.
Yes, down jackets are too hot for me to hike in. I wear a wool base layer, a fleece jacket, and a wind/water-resistant soft shell. However, I wear a down vest for descending.
Was actually thinking the same! It's just about 30/40 bucks more, but it's also rated for lower temps compared to the one he's reviewing. Been using both, the mt500 for winter and the 100 for spring/fall mainly. They're both quite nice, especially considering you'd spend 150 more for something with roughly the same lifespan😂
Love that you make the point that you don't often need a jacket that warm - more isn't always more!. Don't forget the importance of fit - a thinner jacket that fits you better may keep you warmer!
Sam’s lunch has a 650 loft Eddie Bauer down jackets for males and females for only $35! While we both have more expensive puffy jackets my wife and I love the Eddie Bauers for running around town and outdoors in slightly milder weather. We don’t get much weather below freezing where we live.
I've been comfortable in -10 Fahrenheit with the outdoor vitals nova pro. I own both too. It's a beast of a jacket. The decathlon is amazing for the price too. The stichless nova pro really blocks the wind
You kinda need a canvas outer protection layer to help maintain the feathers in the rain. I have a really good quality down jacket without a canvas outer layer and one that has the canvas outer layer. The one without canvas couldn't retain its warmth for more than 10 years. I'm on year 14 with the one with the canvas outer layer. In good quality down jackets, the thing that wears out most often is the zipper, which can be easily replaced. I still use my over 20yr old jacket, just in higher temperatures. Also, Sir Terry Pratchet have a great quote about the economics of buying good quality vs. Cheap things in his book Men at Arms.
Feathered Friends - Made in Vancouver, Canada and Seattle, USA of imported materials. Repatriating textile manufacturing is never going to happen, but textile finishing can still be found locally.
what I've done in the past is to treat my puffy down jacket with Nikwax wash-in waterproofing, made especially for down. I think it's a pretty good hack, but, honestly haven't actually done a field test, as I've never soaked my down jacket before. but buying the nikwax double pack (cleaner and waterproofer) costs probably only at 20-25 USD, so it's a considerably cheaper than buying a more expensive jacket.
Yes, that's a very cheap and effective way to do it! :) I'll probably do a field test like that someday on my channel when I throw out my current Deccathlon Jacket and buy a new one. How long it's able to keep me warm when damp and not waterproofed vs waterproofed and damp. The difference should be huge I imagine!
@mrridikilis it might be inexpensive now, but we'll pay a much bigger price later. Those chemicals are as dense as air. As it floats into the atmosphere, it will eventually accumulate in the arctic and antarctic, making those regions THE most polluted areas on the planet. I have a post grad in environmental sciences, and I avoid anything that can be sprayed.
the women's mt500 uses 850fp down ich makes it extremely competitive with the most expensive jackets out there. the main difference is the more robust fabric, which adds weight
You can make any down jacket you have the best by just using it as a layer under a super thin wind & rain shell. I would never spend the money of a down jacket that is meant to be the exterior layer. They are not what I would or many others would call back country durable.
I just bought an LL Bean Wind Challenger down ski parka for $340. It is almost identical in baffle construction pattern to the Outdoor Vitals Nova Pro jacket shown here with many features like a helmet compatible hood, front and rear hood drawstrings, pit zips, 2 inside pockets and 4 outside pockets if you count the little ski pass pocket on the left arm. Yeah, a bit pricey, especially for a 650 fill goose down p[arka but it has DownTec DWR treated down and very high build quality. Ll Bean always gives you good quality garments. As got he 650 down fill for me this is a SKI parka, not intended for winter backpacking. 650 fill down compresses less than say 800 fill down which I like when sitting in a chair lift or wearing a day pack. That better "loft under compression" is what I want.
I just got a MT 500 just the other day. 1. I was completely blown away how light it was but 2. after testing in well below 32f degrees with my normal layering I was most impressed with how warm it was. It was so light I was afraid it wouldn’t work. But my old school monster down north face is always there for when it truly get polar.
Hey, great video. Enjoyed it. Ive owned two of the MT100 jackets, one with a hood and another without. I found the hoodless version a better option for me as I felt it provided better coverage around the neck/ chin area. Maybe it ws just my body shape, but i found the hooded version to be really loose around the same area so the cold air got in! Wearing a snood fixed this but I still think drawstrings etc would have been good. The hoodless version I found was better utilised as a layer underneath a soft or hard shell jacket, as opposed to being the main outer layer. I now wear a Montane Featherlight down jacket and the improvement is quite a bit. It feels much warmer, more durable and has way more features. Plus I got it for £80 second hand. The upshot for me was that the Decathlon jacket was a good buy, considering the price. But no one should expect a top drawer jacket, because it isnt a top drawer price! For me personally, I'd rather spend more and ultimately get better quality.
The only thing I don't like about the decathlon jacket is the size/fit. I normally wear medium but because how short the torso is, I almost feel like I have to wear XL. I really don't like it whenever I lift up my arms, my stomach is exposed or even leaning over my back becomes exposed to the cold. I'm always fighting with it. You can see how the outdoor vitals has more coverage and room to move around in. Like how it should be! Especially when you're hiking.
Footwear is the only matter worth spending top dollar on for back country work *(and socks)* as everything else is still a guessing game #hunting_and_trapping most of this outerwear simply is not rugged enough but yes true to say "crazy high performance" as basically doesn't weigh anything and still gets the job done on the glacier. What might help your viewer is if you were to explain the difference between *"The Approach"* and *"Summiting"* meaning the hike *TO* the Mountain where the temperature outside might be 60 degrees and warm versus the hike *UP* the mountain where at peak i experienced 60 miles an hour wind combined with well below freezing temperatures so quite the extremes is an understatement although one common denominator was sweating profusely until the summit actually so #wicking is what always mattered most for me anyways just a thought 😊😊
As a bike packer ive been using the 100 for theee years now. Its still going strong. I wear a rain shell over it in wet weather. Would never waste money on the expensive one.
I feel like this wasn't a great idea for a comparison. He's comparing a down jacket that has twice the amount of insulation weight, and one that is waterproof, and one that is not. It's not really fair to the Decathlon because they're 2 different jackets for 2 different uses. I use my super light weight down jacket for weather between 40-55 °F, or 4-13 °C. I don't want it to have twice the insulation, although I wouldn't complain if it was waterproof. They're just 2 different products even if they are both jackets. With that being said, the video was great. Super well done, and I think you did a great job covering all the important topics for comparison. 😊
Is there a medium range price point jacket because I'm poor and I love to hike I've been backpacking with a huge snowboarding jacket for years and it is bulky
Most hiking gear is ridiculously over designed and overpriced for what it actually gets used for; which is to walk from the parking lot to the visitor centre gift shop. But hey, marketing.
I'm a tool guy. My outdoor equipment from the trail to the kitchen to the shelter is a tool that magnifies the experiences. A long way to say. Buy the tool that is best for the job at hand. I bought at Costco a 16 oz hooded down jacket that does the job I bought it for. Why buy more tool than you need?
If been using a $799NZD Macpac Phoenix Waterproof down jacket for a couple of months now, anddddd it’s one of my biggest regrets, at a certain point, your just paying extra for a tiny boost in quality. Would recommend paying anywhere from $200NZD TO $350NZD..
Always good. Thanks. How do you think it would work if you were to buy the Decathlon, a size that fits you, such as a large, and an extra large to go over the large? You'd be able to layer very well.
I looked into it and yes, that indeed would be a more fair comparison. The specs are really similar to the OV down jacket. It's just that I didn't have it on hand and I haven't used the MT500 before.
@patrickbedruz6475 I've always had down jackets. My experience is that moisture is the worst thing for those jackets. The shell is absolutely necessary to keep it functional. I've had jackets with and without a shell. The one with the shell lasted much longer than the one without. Even though the one without was much better quality and more expensive. It was much lighter, but when new could withstand up to -25C. But the feathers lost their heat trapping capacity after only 10 years while I'm on year 15 with my lower quality shelled jacket.
Have you tried any clothing items from 4F? I find many of them to be pretty nice quality. A bit more expensive than Decathlon, but much higher quality (haven't tried down jackets yet though)
I have 50$ synthetic down jacket from them, one of the best items in arsenal. Unfortunately they don't produce/sell same model anymore, otherwise I would buy lifetime supply.
Water repelent and free enviroment pollution. The down jackets are insulation layer. If caught in rain or snow, repelent or not you will get soaked anyway.
TNF makes trash products for people who don’t actually use them for outdoor sports, happened about 10 years ago
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@@Jordan__Sloan They make clothes. How and when one uses them is up to people who buy them. For me Thermoball has worked better that Micro Puff in DESERT MOUNTAINS. Very happy with Nuptse in the CITY. Planning to take it with me to Nepal. So there.
Down is not feathers... Your jacket has a mix, should be listed somewhere. %feathers compared to down. Loft in cuin should be listed somewhere. You only mentioned filweight. Warmth is fillweight multiplied by Cuin, the number doesn't mean anything but it works to compare the warmth of down jackets. High loft, or high cuin is usually more down and less feathers but a higher percentage of feathers means a more durable product as the feathers somewhat protect the down.
does anyone else get this effect where the decathlon keeps making a circular looking dent when it bends, looking like you have a gigantic belly button?
No clothes, down jacket or not, is worth what they think you should pay at places like REI. Buy off brands direct and spend your money on more important things. Leave the money wasting to urbanites who don’t even need down jackets.
Sorry, but the OV jacket fit is just atrocious 😂 Looks very similar to Patagonia down sweater. MT100 is the winner for my hiking needs. Slimmer fit, higher neck collar, better shaped minimal hood and tbh I really don't think I need anything more warm than that.
Not at all. Good down are really good. There is a massive difference, if you are able to understand things and do not care just of brands and fashion. No way very cheap thing are equal to expensive ones, if the factory knows where to put money.
I think: * there are good 🪶 🪶 cleaning, proofing and maintenance products on the market * a waterproof layer worn on top, helps any down jacket to perform better and last longer
Hey everyone! I wanted to let you know that together with my wife, we make these minimalistic hiking posters for various thru-hiking trails. You can check them out over here ➜ trailgoals.com/ (10% discount code: oscarhikes)
thankx!
Sunday, February 11th: There are times when you pay for quality and times when you pay for the name. We don't always know. Happy Trails! Ross08
I just wear a fleece jacket I got from goodwill then add a wind/water resistant soft shell on top. I honestly feel like no matter what type of gear you have, mindful layering is really what will keep you warm.
So you paid full-price for a used item?
@@aaronstestlabkinda missed the point there bucko
Yes, down jackets are too hot for me to hike in. I wear a wool base layer, a fleece jacket, and a wind/water-resistant soft shell. However, I wear a down vest for descending.
you have to compare the mt500 instead of the mt100.
you can also treat your mtX00 with nik wax and it also gets a compared water repellant down.
Was actually thinking the same! It's just about 30/40 bucks more, but it's also rated for lower temps compared to the one he's reviewing. Been using both, the mt500 for winter and the 100 for spring/fall mainly. They're both quite nice, especially considering you'd spend 150 more for something with roughly the same lifespan😂
Just received my Decathlon puffy jacket for prepping my 2025 PCT thru hike!
it's an amazing jacket, unbeatable for the price + it goes on sale
@@precambrian_rabbitYes I did get it on sale which is even better!
U gonna die when it gets wet.😢
Love that you make the point that you don't often need a jacket that warm - more isn't always more!. Don't forget the importance of fit - a thinner jacket that fits you better may keep you warmer!
Sam’s lunch has a 650 loft Eddie Bauer down jackets for males and females for only $35! While we both have more expensive puffy jackets my wife and I love the Eddie Bauers for running around town and outdoors in slightly milder weather. We don’t get much weather below freezing where we live.
I've used the decathlon for years, with a wool base layer and a fleece under and toggs rain jacket over, it can handle 10° F like a beast.
Yeah, with enough layering I've been out in -10C and below temps with it as well!
I've been comfortable in -10 Fahrenheit with the outdoor vitals nova pro. I own both too. It's a beast of a jacket. The decathlon is amazing for the price too. The stichless nova pro really blocks the wind
You kinda need a canvas outer protection layer to help maintain the feathers in the rain. I have a really good quality down jacket without a canvas outer layer and one that has the canvas outer layer. The one without canvas couldn't retain its warmth for more than 10 years. I'm on year 14 with the one with the canvas outer layer. In good quality down jackets, the thing that wears out most often is the zipper, which can be easily replaced. I still use my over 20yr old jacket, just in higher temperatures. Also, Sir Terry Pratchet have a great quote about the economics of buying good quality vs. Cheap things in his book Men at Arms.
Will a quality shell outerlayer do the job?
@patrickbedruz6475 absolutely. You just need something to protect the inner layer where the feathers are.
@@ToudaHell Awesomee thank youu!
Feathered Friends - Made in Vancouver, Canada and Seattle, USA of imported materials. Repatriating textile manufacturing is never going to happen, but textile finishing can still be found locally.
Bought too many cheap down jackets even some are not so cheap in Germany but doesn’t work at all 😩 at the end have to buy a good one
What a great vid!!! Very useful, straight to the point! Thanks a bunch!! Best!
(I wish there was a video like this for EVERY product on the market...)
what I've done in the past is to treat my puffy down jacket with Nikwax wash-in waterproofing, made especially for down. I think it's a pretty good hack, but, honestly haven't actually done a field test, as I've never soaked my down jacket before. but buying the nikwax double pack (cleaner and waterproofer) costs probably only at 20-25 USD, so it's a considerably cheaper than buying a more expensive jacket.
Yes, that's a very cheap and effective way to do it! :) I'll probably do a field test like that someday on my channel when I throw out my current Deccathlon Jacket and buy a new one. How long it's able to keep me warm when damp and not waterproofed vs waterproofed and damp. The difference should be huge I imagine!
@mrridikilis it might be inexpensive now, but we'll pay a much bigger price later. Those chemicals are as dense as air. As it floats into the atmosphere, it will eventually accumulate in the arctic and antarctic, making those regions THE most polluted areas on the planet. I have a post grad in environmental sciences, and I avoid anything that can be sprayed.
@@ToudaHellNikWax down cleaner & proofer are wash-in, not sprays.
the women's mt500 uses 850fp down ich makes it extremely competitive with the most expensive jackets out there. the main difference is the more robust fabric, which adds weight
the smartphone down jacket really got me, great content man
You can make any down jacket you have the best by just using it as a layer under a super thin wind & rain shell.
I would never spend the money of a down jacket that is meant to be the exterior layer. They are not what I would or many others would call back country durable.
I just bought an LL Bean Wind Challenger down ski parka for $340. It is almost identical in baffle construction pattern to the Outdoor Vitals Nova Pro jacket shown here with many features like a helmet compatible hood, front and rear hood drawstrings, pit zips, 2 inside pockets and 4 outside pockets if you count the little ski pass pocket on the left arm. Yeah, a bit pricey, especially for a 650 fill goose down p[arka but it has DownTec DWR treated down and very high build quality. Ll Bean always gives you good quality garments. As got he 650 down fill for me this is a SKI parka, not intended for winter backpacking. 650 fill down compresses less than say 800 fill down which I like when sitting in a chair lift or wearing a day pack. That better "loft under compression" is what I want.
I just got a MT 500 just the other day. 1. I was completely blown away how light it was but 2. after testing in well below 32f degrees with my normal layering I was most impressed with how warm it was. It was so light I was afraid it wouldn’t work. But my old school monster down north face is always there for when it truly get polar.
Just found your channel toda., great advice, obviously experienced and actually testing gear normal people can afford. 10/10 keep it up :) 👍
I’d wear two of the cheaper one and still be cheaper than the expensive one
Hey, great video. Enjoyed it.
Ive owned two of the MT100 jackets, one with a hood and another without.
I found the hoodless version a better option for me as I felt it provided better coverage around the neck/ chin area. Maybe it ws just my body shape, but i found the hooded version to be really loose around the same area so the cold air got in! Wearing a snood fixed this but I still think drawstrings etc would have been good.
The hoodless version I found was better utilised as a layer underneath a soft or hard shell jacket, as opposed to being the main outer layer.
I now wear a Montane Featherlight down jacket and the improvement is quite a bit. It feels much warmer, more durable and has way more features. Plus I got it for £80 second hand.
The upshot for me was that the Decathlon jacket was a good buy, considering the price. But no one should expect a top drawer jacket, because it isnt a top drawer price! For me personally, I'd rather spend more and ultimately get better quality.
Nylon is a trade name and the actual material is the polyamide. The same material used in both jackets.
I have a $25 gap synthetic down jacket and it keeps me warm in nyc winter
I have 4 down jackets - Peak Performance . The down never comes out - even after many years of use! Еxcellent quality !
The only thing I don't like about the decathlon jacket is the size/fit. I normally wear medium but because how short the torso is, I almost feel like I have to wear XL. I really don't like it whenever I lift up my arms, my stomach is exposed or even leaning over my back becomes exposed to the cold. I'm always fighting with it.
You can see how the outdoor vitals has more coverage and room to move around in. Like how it should be! Especially when you're hiking.
Footwear is the only matter worth spending top dollar on for back country work *(and socks)* as everything else is still a guessing game #hunting_and_trapping most of this outerwear simply is not rugged enough but yes true to say "crazy high performance" as basically doesn't weigh anything and still gets the job done on the glacier. What might help your viewer is if you were to explain the difference between *"The Approach"* and *"Summiting"* meaning the hike *TO* the Mountain where the temperature outside might be 60 degrees and warm versus the hike *UP* the mountain where at peak i experienced 60 miles an hour wind combined with well below freezing temperatures so quite the extremes is an understatement although one common denominator was sweating profusely until the summit actually so #wicking is what always mattered most for me anyways just a thought 😊😊
As a bike packer ive been using the 100 for theee years now. Its still going strong. I wear a rain shell over it in wet weather. Would never waste money on the expensive one.
I feel like this wasn't a great idea for a comparison. He's comparing a down jacket that has twice the amount of insulation weight, and one that is waterproof, and one that is not. It's not really fair to the Decathlon because they're 2 different jackets for 2 different uses. I use my super light weight down jacket for weather between 40-55 °F, or 4-13 °C. I don't want it to have twice the insulation, although I wouldn't complain if it was waterproof. They're just 2 different products even if they are both jackets. With that being said, the video was great. Super well done, and I think you did a great job covering all the important topics for comparison. 😊
Hey, can i use decathlon for 3/4 years.
Is there a medium range price point jacket because I'm poor and I love to hike I've been backpacking with a huge snowboarding jacket for years and it is bulky
Most hiking gear is ridiculously over designed and overpriced for what it actually gets used for; which is to walk from the parking lot to the visitor centre gift shop. But hey, marketing.
you would have to compare it to the mt500 or above, for 50bucks more you get much lower temps and better insulation.
How well and unbiased Explanation given superb
Uniqlo has a nice 750 down jacket for 80€
Is that the monutain Saentis trail in Switzerland?
I would recommend to buy value for money items first. Than upgrade gradually to upper shelf where you find cheaper options lacking.
where did you get the MT100 for only $50?
Hey Oscar,
I'm looking to buy a Novapro here in Europe. Where did you get yours?
They resist some damage? Like falls, branches?
FYI Polyamide is nylon. Nylon is basically a trademark name that eventually just got generalized. Like how all facial tissues are Kleenex now.
$$ usually means better quality down, and $$ means more warmth.
I'm a tool guy. My outdoor equipment from the trail to the kitchen to the shelter is a tool that magnifies the experiences. A long way to say. Buy the tool that is best for the job at hand. I bought at Costco a 16 oz hooded down jacket that does the job I bought it for. Why buy more tool than you need?
you said similar warmth, but one has twice as much down of a slightly higher loft quality.
That's a misunderstandable statement from him. He said it about comparing the 800 and the 850 cubic inch fill power down fills, not about the jackets.
If been using a $799NZD Macpac Phoenix Waterproof down jacket for a couple of months now, anddddd it’s one of my biggest regrets, at a certain point, your just paying extra for a tiny boost in quality. Would recommend paying anywhere from $200NZD TO $350NZD..
Can you also talk about pants you use in your hiking in the mountains?
Nice video though 🙏🏽
Thanks
Mammut has never let me down
Always good. Thanks. How do you think it would work if you were to buy the Decathlon, a size that fits you, such as a large, and an extra large to go over the large? You'd be able to layer very well.
Bit unfair. The MT500 is a closer comparison.
I looked into it and yes, that indeed would be a more fair comparison. The specs are really similar to the OV down jacket. It's just that I didn't have it on hand and I haven't used the MT500 before.
Great comparison points
Will these down jackets be ok in the pacific northwest where its wet a lot if you put a quality shell over it?
@patrickbedruz6475 I've always had down jackets. My experience is that moisture is the worst thing for those jackets. The shell is absolutely necessary to keep it functional. I've had jackets with and without a shell. The one with the shell lasted much longer than the one without. Even though the one without was much better quality and more expensive. It was much lighter, but when new could withstand up to -25C. But the feathers lost their heat trapping capacity after only 10 years while I'm on year 15 with my lower quality shelled jacket.
@ToudaHell wicked thats nice to know, I'd be happy with that performance.
Couldn't you just treat your jacket with a product like Nikwax? That's whatI do with my Decathlon jacket.
Have you tried any clothing items from 4F? I find many of them to be pretty nice quality. A bit more expensive than Decathlon, but much higher quality (haven't tried down jackets yet though)
Nope, not yet.
I have 50$ synthetic down jacket from them, one of the best items in arsenal.
Unfortunately they don't produce/sell same model anymore, otherwise I would buy lifetime supply.
Water repelent and free enviroment pollution. The down jackets are insulation layer. If caught in rain or snow, repelent or not you will get soaked anyway.
polyamide is commonly known as nylon
Nylon was just the name patented by DuPont long ago in galaxy far far away
Just bought it, £60 here in the UK, love it, packs up so small and weighs very little. Cheers
They are top 10 jackets very light too very well made
The blue one is much better fitting.
TNF Thermoball is on discount rn 🏷️
TNF makes trash products for people who don’t actually use them for outdoor sports, happened about 10 years ago
@@Jordan__Sloan They make clothes. How and when one uses them is up to people who buy them. For me Thermoball has worked better that Micro Puff in DESERT MOUNTAINS. Very happy with Nuptse in the CITY. Planning to take it with me to Nepal. So there.
Rule for me: Keep down equipment in a dry bag, and go for wool if it's raining or you're sweaty.
Down is not feathers... Your jacket has a mix, should be listed somewhere. %feathers compared to down. Loft in cuin should be listed somewhere. You only mentioned filweight. Warmth is fillweight multiplied by Cuin, the number doesn't mean anything but it works to compare the warmth of down jackets. High loft, or high cuin is usually more down and less feathers but a higher percentage of feathers means a more durable product as the feathers somewhat protect the down.
Spray with water proofing spray
If I spend that much money I’ll use it until the jacket breaks!
does anyone else get this effect where the decathlon keeps making a circular looking dent when it bends, looking like you have a gigantic belly button?
Buen vídeo! Muy instructivo!!! Los que vivimos en la España mediterránea y sólo nos acercamos al Pirineo en verano, lo tenemos claro: la de decathlon!
Or use 2 cheap down jackets?
Montura italien jacket.and direct jacket brend italien.
It looks like the MT100 is going for $99 US now.
i want the blue one… 😉
10 month later the Decathlon went from $49 to $99 (double in price in less than a year) Yikes
No clothes, down jacket or not, is worth what they think you should pay at places like REI. Buy off brands direct and spend your money on more important things. Leave the money wasting to urbanites who don’t even need down jackets.
Sorry, but the OV jacket fit is just atrocious 😂 Looks very similar to Patagonia down sweater. MT100 is the winner for my hiking needs. Slimmer fit, higher neck collar, better shaped minimal hood and tbh I really don't think I need anything more warm than that.
I like a Buffalo Belay jacket.
I never use down. Useless when damp.
Wear 2 cheap ones problem solved, walk to mcdonalds
Yes they are. Just like the most of the overpriced stuff today.
Got it. So you're saying to buy two of the cheaper jackets and nicwash, then layer them.
Expensive jackets are really a waste of money. We just pay for the brand name
It is not $50. Your own link brings up $99.99. Which is twice of what you claimed it to be
In conclusion, buy both. OK, lol.
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Wow, your buying a thing to not use it, it's worthless. Buy the cheapper one and use it till the end 😅
your expensive jacket is cheaper than Arc'teryx
Decathlon
Poor birds
Not at all. Good down are really good. There is a massive difference, if you are able to understand things and do not care just of brands and fashion. No way very cheap thing are equal to expensive ones, if the factory knows where to put money.
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$48 my butt. Its $99
Mt500 costs 99, this one is the mt100
@@TrackAndrea90nope. Just checked the mt100 is $99 but black friday is $70. Still not $50 bucks
It is in europe
When are the best sales on this jacket typically? Spring?
@@TrackAndrea90mt500 is now $150. 😢
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Outdoor vitals loftek is the warmest jacket I've ever survived in
I think:
* there are good 🪶 🪶 cleaning, proofing and maintenance products on the market
* a waterproof layer worn on top, helps any down jacket to perform better and last longer
Expensive jackets are really a waste of money. We just pay for the brand name