All rain jackets are sweat boxes when backpacking difficult terrain . I most often use a water repellant wind jacket (:Patagonia Houdini) and a trekking umbrella. More breathable than the most expensive rain jackets at a fraction of the cost. An umbrella provides a dome of protection which is so convenient for looking at maps, etc. Bonus: These two combined are lighter than most rain jackets
@@valaiopwep7990 Nope never regretted it even in those areas. I simply angle the umbrella into the wind or to avoid a branch. Still much more comfortable than a rain jacket.
Rain jackets may be ok but the fact of having all the pitzips and vents demonstrates that it is not breathable. If you need a rain jacket, then you probably want rain pants as well. And, only in my opinion, that all is too much of a headache. Even with just the jacket, if the weather is unsettled. Stop Drop pack. Take out. Put on. Get all ready to go again. Or misting just enough that you will eventually get too wet. I use a poncho. I can flip it over my head so it lays over my pack. Pull it back if rain picks up. Or even take it off. I can still put it on with barely even a pause. It ventilates. On the bottom I wear shorts or light nylon pants. I buy Duluth light pants with lots of pockets.
Hey, thanks for watching! I explained all this in the video, but additionally mentioned that the pit zips serve a very specific purpose: dumping excess heat. They're not meant to stay open. When you're hiking, you're building up heat; having a way to release that without unzipping your core is essential for some folks. And sometimes rain pops up in areas that you absolutely cannot stop in, like exposed ridges, mountain terrain, etc. Having something to protect you from the elements, including wind, can help keep you safe until you get down to a good spot to hunker down. I don't even use rain pants because I find them too hot and overall not necessary for the areas I hike in, however that wouldn't be the case if I lived somewhere like the PNW. Appreciate you sharing your opinion :)
I just purchased the Patagonia Torrentshell 3L jacket as I live in an area of Appalachia that gets a lot of rain and a lot of unpredicted rain. I am not a super sports person so didn't need the best of the best but I wanted something waterproof. I just received it and believe it will be exactly what I'm looking for, especially at $120 & change on sale - albeit not a color I would have chosen but who cares. My compromises I was fully aware of: It's definitely noisy, good for keeping bears away. right?; the hood cinch cord is awkward, but I hope with practice will become easier; and lack of an inside chest pocket, but the 2 hand pockets are gracious sizes. Now I can't wait for it to rain!
Wait that is not how it works, that hydrostatic pressure and in what type of rain you can thus wear it doesn't correlate. Hydrostatic head is exactly what it says. A pressure. The mm is a column of water set on a fabric. Given that rain doesn't really increase above a certain pressure, and this is quite low. Like, can you imagine a column of 10000 mm on top of your jacket? A backpack is something that can make you consider a higher hydrastatic head because your backpack pushes the water through. Go check tent floors hydrastatic head and then think that your body weight pushes on it and there can be water underneath it.
This video: you need a bajillion mm hydrostatic head to survive the PNW! Spend $200 for your 1 pound jacket or you’ll die! Every PCT hiker: yeah this is my trusty Frogg Togg. Cost me $25 at Walmart and weighs 5 ounces.
@@groundupadventures 100% the breathability, it technically works as a fabric but it depends so much on interior conditions of the jacket, temperature you create and % moisture (relative humidity), exterior temperatures here are cool and can almost guarantee at any time of the year above 2000ft in Scotland you will not be much more than 10degC. So hot wet air hitting a cool surface (breath on window) it will coalesce to water droplets. My arms in any goretex are simply dripping as if I hadn't had any rain protection on. You need to couple this with the fact you need air circulation for it to work effectively and most jackets have velcro or elasticated cuffs which prevent air flow. Pit zips/vents work well for me. On shorter walks I wear a cheap 10000mm static head jacket which I know will allow some rain in but I can guarantee will allow moisture back out. So you may be damp below your jacket but never drenched. Works for me but others may disagree. And always remember no matter how fancy your jacket is, there's a great big hole at the top where yer head sticks out that will allow water in. 😀
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Add Bearskin to this list, Teeny tiny fits nothing pockets, bad stitching, walking sauna that does not breath, Good for sitting still and glamping with your car while you browse Facebook on your phone
Thank you for making this video. I purchased the REI Rainer last year and have used it a couple of times in brief rain, but I also avoid hiking in rain. As I get more into hiking, I have learned avoiding rain is difficult in the Northeast US. This video provided me some better options.
Its SO good haha I could probably make a whole separate video raving about that jacket. I also run hot when I'm adventuring especially anything uphill haha. Its been a great option over the years
hard disagree on the last ive used the torrent shell 3L and id have to wholeheartedly disagree. my brand new jacket wet out on a light rain in southern california, unbelievably disappointed. if i took it where i live in the tropics im sure it would be even worse. i bought an arcteryx beta ar after and have had 0 issues with it. so waterproof that i can stand under a waterfall and be dry.
I got 5 Patagonia Torrens 3L rain jackets for all members of my family and 2 friends. Gortex is only good in snowy areas, rain proof is a different story. Love Torrens 3L.
My greatest regret when I started to hike was to buy a rain jacket and waterproof trousers, never, never again! I bought an Altus full zip poncho from Spain, ideal for me, if condensation builds up I just open the full zip and the inside rapidly dries.
Yes, ponchos can flap about a bit when windy but not a problem, I just carry a length of elasticed cord (cut to my size) with two small plastic hooks attached. If it gets windy the cord just goes around my waist on the outside of my poncho, I can hook and unhook in a couple of seconds when I need too.
The Rab kinetic 2.0 is a great general purpose rain jacket, with enough breathability can be worn when not raining without building up a sweat. Montane and Mountain Equipment are two other UK brands worth a look.
Thank you for the video. Breathability can definitely be quantified, but only a handful of manufacturers provide the information in the form of g/m²/24hr. (JIS L1099 B-1). It makes a big difference to overall performance.
Outdoor Research Foray2 has the biggest pit zips as it allows you to unzip 3/4 of each side of the jacket for ultimate breathability and internal heat/moisture control like a poncho.
Please review some paramo jackets. They do not have a waterproof rating, but it is because the waterproof rating system doesn’t make sense for their method of keeping you dry. It is not a membrane style system and it is supposedly completely breathable and keeps you totally dry without trapping in heat and moisture like membranes do.
I wear Paramo. More so in the winter and early spring and late autumn. A bit warm in the summer but then what isn’t. The comfort is unparalleled: soft, supple and slip over or under any thing else you might wear really well. They dry very quickly too. Worn them in a variety of conditions bar multi day heavy rain. Never had any problems. I particularly like mine for winter cycling. Nothing beats them for that. However, without a laminate you cannot sit on them the pressure means water goes through.
A rain jacket with membrane backing & fully taped seams should do the jobs of most situations. I am selling proper rain jacket at Amazon and find people really like the cheap rain jackets. Those cheap rain jacket only have thin coating & without any seam taped outsell a lot than mine. They will be 100% leak even in light rains, but they could sell 10,000pcs per month! Seems the customers don't care or they don't know ? How could the jacket protect you in the rain if no seam taped! Many people consider DWR as waterproof, and don't know DWR will be faded and washed off!
Wow, that was clear and informative, well spoken and experience based. Loved it. Didn't know there were all these parameters. Live in the southwest where I get caught in the occasional downpour, but I don't hike, I carry a jacket on my motorcycle, and now I need to review what that REI jacket is and maybe look for something like your Patagonia jacket. Thanks so much for making so much more clarity, especially to us "newbies".......
Thank you so much for this feedback, I appreciate you! Wishing you the best of luck with your search and let me know if there's every anything else you want to see :)
This is a very informative video! Great job. A rain shell is a piece of survival gear, it must do its job 100% of the time. I use OR for years, its worked extremely well againt water pentration when cleaned and treated properly. But it sometimes not as breathable, but rarely a problem. I just purchased the EE Visp, bc of the pit zips, slightly longer for better coverage, it is ligsterkte than my OR, so we will see how durabke it will be. But, I hate the velcro type wrist cuffs, such a pain to deal with??? Plus we will see how well that works when the velcro get full of sand and dirt? Thanks for your good wirk.😅
I use Arcteryx Beta Ar jacket. That jacket is an absolute beast. Never got wet in it. Expensive but still going strong after 12 years :) Rab Kangri gtx is my 2. choice.
last year (after struggling with goretex, pertex shield, H2NO etc for years) I bought a Páramo waterproof jacket, and have fallen in love. It's the only thing I've ever used that's kept me *actually dry,* from both rain and sweat when active
@@groundupadventures I’m being a bit snarky here, but they fail outright the hydrostatic test so you might think them a safety issue… Seriously though an otherwise good video is a bit marred by the confirmation bias attributing HH to outright waterproofing in rain conditions. It’s marketing nonsense that everyone seems to buy into that shouldn’t be further promulgated. If Hilleberg fly sheets are “only” 2-3000 HH I think a jacket claiming 30,000 is technical nonsense.
THIS is the video of all videos for rain jackets and relevant information. I bought the Black Diamond Stormline Stretch which has all the features I was looking for and looks great as well. Thanks for this.
It's incredible people forget things they learned in school physics lessons. Breathable membranes only work in very specific conditions, cold dry climates. Gore-tex is the worst for propagating these marketing claims. It is DWR that makes a new waterproof item seem waterproof by making it runoff. The key to waterproof clothing is ventilation. A plastic mac is more waterproof than any breathable rain jacket; however, there needs to be adequate ventilation such as pit zips and side, arm and back vents. Anyone who wants waterproof clothing needs to accept that they may at times feel damp. This realisation has led to the growing popularity of non-waterproof waterproof clothing such as Ventile, Paramo and other similar softshell products, even hiking umbrellas! Finally, a waterproof should only be worn when it is raining (Precipitanumber of shocks me the number of people I hear complaining about their hardshell waterproofs while wearing them in conditions other than rain. A waterproof jacket is not the correct clothing to protect you from a cold wind. A cheep breathable windproof jacket is best to wear as an outer-shell garment. I would advise avoiding windproof fleeces and the like, they have all the problems associated with waterproof when it comes to breathability and comfort.
I took a risk on a Mountain Hardwear Stretch Ozonic Jacket - 2.5 membrane and was on sale for $75. I tried the Patagonia Torentshell and it was just too stiff and loud. And heavier/bulkier packed up. Kinda random reasons. But I wanted to make sure I actually take my rainjacket with me and since I tend to travel a lot, the versatility of something that I could wear as a regular jacket but also to hike in nudged me towards the MH. And the price.
All rain jackets are sweat boxes when backpacking difficult terrain . I most often use a water repellant wind jacket (:Patagonia Houdini) and a trekking umbrella. More breathable than the most expensive rain jackets at a fraction of the cost. An umbrella provides a dome of protection which is so convenient for looking at maps, etc. Bonus: These two combined are lighter than most rain jackets
Yeah you and your spider arms
@lt7388 The umbrella is hands free! Attached to my backpack shoulder strap
run into any wind or some terrain with trees around you and you're going to regret that
@@valaiopwep7990 Nope never regretted it even in those areas. I simply angle the umbrella into the wind or to avoid a branch. Still much more comfortable than a rain jacket.
the best video I saw...finally someone take time to explain in a "simple" way the technical specifications of the jackets...
This is HANDS DOWN the most informative video I've seen on Rain Jackets. THANK YOU!
Rain jackets may be ok but the fact of having all the pitzips and vents demonstrates that it is not breathable.
If you need a rain jacket, then you probably want rain pants as well. And, only in my opinion, that all is too much of a headache. Even with just the jacket, if the weather is unsettled. Stop
Drop pack. Take out. Put on. Get all ready to go again. Or misting just enough that you will eventually get too wet.
I use a poncho. I can flip it over my head so it lays over my pack. Pull it back if rain picks up. Or even take it off. I can still put it on with barely even a pause. It ventilates. On the bottom I wear shorts or light nylon pants. I buy Duluth light pants with lots of pockets.
Hey, thanks for watching! I explained all this in the video, but additionally mentioned that the pit zips serve a very specific purpose: dumping excess heat. They're not meant to stay open. When you're hiking, you're building up heat; having a way to release that without unzipping your core is essential for some folks.
And sometimes rain pops up in areas that you absolutely cannot stop in, like exposed ridges, mountain terrain, etc. Having something to protect you from the elements, including wind, can help keep you safe until you get down to a good spot to hunker down. I don't even use rain pants because I find them too hot and overall not necessary for the areas I hike in, however that wouldn't be the case if I lived somewhere like the PNW.
Appreciate you sharing your opinion :)
Umbrella + shitty rain jacket worked great for me on the pct
Love that! I know folks that swear by bringing an umbrella, I just can't get myself to carry something extra 😆
I just purchased the Patagonia Torrentshell 3L jacket as I live in an area of Appalachia that gets a lot of rain and a lot of unpredicted rain. I am not a super sports person so didn't need the best of the best but I wanted something waterproof. I just received it and believe it will be exactly what I'm looking for, especially at $120 & change on sale - albeit not a color I would have chosen but who cares. My compromises I was fully aware of: It's definitely noisy, good for keeping bears away. right?; the hood cinch cord is awkward, but I hope with practice will become easier; and lack of an inside chest pocket, but the 2 hand pockets are gracious sizes. Now I can't wait for it to rain!
Wait that is not how it works, that hydrostatic pressure and in what type of rain you can thus wear it doesn't correlate.
Hydrostatic head is exactly what it says. A pressure.
The mm is a column of water set on a fabric.
Given that rain doesn't really increase above a certain pressure, and this is quite low. Like, can you imagine a column of 10000 mm on top of your jacket?
A backpack is something that can make you consider a higher hydrastatic head because your backpack pushes the water through.
Go check tent floors hydrastatic head and then think that your body weight pushes on it and there can be water underneath it.
This video: you need a bajillion mm hydrostatic head to survive the PNW! Spend $200 for your 1 pound jacket or you’ll die!
Every PCT hiker: yeah this is my trusty Frogg Togg. Cost me $25 at Walmart and weighs 5 ounces.
But will last you like max 2 weeks on the trail haha I've had Frogg Toggs: they work alright, but they fall apart :/
@@groundupadventuresmust be pretty rough on equipment if you can kill a jacket in 2 weeks.
Anything with Goretex. Not for me. And living in Scotland I know about rain. 😂
Yes you do! Are you not a fan because of breathability, or what do you dislike about it?
@sco1ful I’m heading to Scotland for a hike in the fall. Do you have a recommendation for a rain jacket
@@groundupadventures 100% the breathability, it technically works as a fabric but it depends so much on interior conditions of the jacket, temperature you create and % moisture (relative humidity), exterior temperatures here are cool and can almost guarantee at any time of the year above 2000ft in Scotland you will not be much more than 10degC. So hot wet air hitting a cool surface (breath on window) it will coalesce to water droplets. My arms in any goretex are simply dripping as if I hadn't had any rain protection on. You need to couple this with the fact you need air circulation for it to work effectively and most jackets have velcro or elasticated cuffs which prevent air flow. Pit zips/vents work well for me. On shorter walks I wear a cheap 10000mm static head jacket which I know will allow some rain in but I can guarantee will allow moisture back out. So you may be damp below your jacket but never drenched. Works for me but others may disagree. And always remember no matter how fancy your jacket is, there's a great big hole at the top where yer head sticks out that will allow water in. 😀
@@tarab2745 read above reply 👍👍
Goretex is for winter conditions and low humidity. Scotland is high humidity year round no matter what the weather is.
Hydrostatic head is a nonsense metric. Rain isn't high pressure. Even here in Scotland.
Took some time to understand what you were saying since these jackets are actually called Hardshell jackets, not rain jackets
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Add Bearskin to this list,
Teeny tiny fits nothing pockets, bad stitching, walking sauna that does not breath,
Good for sitting still and glamping with your car while you browse Facebook on your phone
Thank you for making this video. I purchased the REI Rainer last year and have used it a couple of times in brief rain, but I also avoid hiking in rain. As I get more into hiking, I have learned avoiding rain is difficult in the Northeast US. This video provided me some better options.
Let me know if you end up checking out another option! NE definitely makes it hard to avoid rain haha 😄
You do what you do and keep doing it, stay happy
The Rab recommendation is really intriguing! I typically run hot when hiking, trail running, and fastpacking.
Its SO good haha I could probably make a whole separate video raving about that jacket. I also run hot when I'm adventuring especially anything uphill haha. Its been a great option over the years
@@groundupadventures Just got it a week ago for $170. Feels really nice. Thanks~
@@zhuochen8092 you found it on a good sale! Glad you're liking it :)
Happy to have a rainjacket discussion. Super confusing products out there. Why are so many rain jackets NOT waterproof?
hard disagree on the last ive used the torrent shell 3L and id have to wholeheartedly disagree. my brand new jacket wet out on a light rain in southern california, unbelievably disappointed. if i took it where i live in the tropics im sure it would be even worse. i bought an arcteryx beta ar after and have had 0 issues with it. so waterproof that i can stand under a waterfall and be dry.
I got 5 Patagonia Torrens 3L rain jackets for all members of my family and 2 friends. Gortex is only good in snowy areas, rain proof is a different story. Love Torrens 3L.
Wow, you are a great family member and friend!! That's such a kind gift :) truly can't go wrong with it!!
Patagonia made a deal with Gore years ago to use their fabric but not have to call it Gore-Tex.
thanks for the info. I am from Canada looking for a shell and I did not know that...
Gore (with a vested interest) is the company who makes the waterproof "standard" for rain jackets
My greatest regret when I started to hike was to buy a rain jacket and waterproof trousers, never, never again! I bought an Altus full zip poncho from Spain, ideal for me, if condensation builds up I just open the full zip and the inside rapidly dries.
You ever been in wind?
Yes, ponchos can flap about a bit when windy but not a problem, I just carry a length of elasticed cord (cut to my size) with two small plastic hooks attached. If it gets windy the cord just goes around my waist on the outside of my poncho, I can hook and unhook in a couple of seconds when I need too.
There's a reason why something as simple a design as a poncho has stuck around for so long.. it works, and it works well without being overly complex
@@Camelotsmoonand it is multipurpose. Shelter. Pack cover.
The Rab kinetic 2.0 is a great general purpose rain jacket, with enough breathability can be worn when not raining without building up a sweat. Montane and Mountain Equipment are two other UK brands worth a look.
I've heard great things about both of them! Just always been a Rab fan :) thank you for watching!
Thank you for the video. Breathability can definitely be quantified, but only a handful of manufacturers provide the information in the form of g/m²/24hr. (JIS L1099 B-1). It makes a big difference to overall performance.
Outdoor Research Foray2 has the biggest pit zips as it allows you to unzip 3/4 of each side of the jacket for ultimate breathability and internal heat/moisture control like a poncho.
Definitely the best shell that I have found.
When outer layer gets soaked, you get soaked too. Membrane is a big PoS...
Please review some paramo jackets. They do not have a waterproof rating, but it is because the waterproof rating system doesn’t make sense for their method of keeping you dry. It is not a membrane style system and it is supposedly completely breathable and keeps you totally dry without trapping in heat and moisture like membranes do.
Ben vallack has a few videos about it. It seems really viable but I am curious to hear more opinions
I wear Paramo. More so in the winter and early spring and late autumn. A bit warm in the summer but then what isn’t. The comfort is unparalleled: soft, supple and slip over or under any thing else you might wear really well. They dry very quickly too. Worn them in a variety of conditions bar multi day heavy rain. Never had any problems. I particularly like mine for winter cycling. Nothing beats them for that. However, without a laminate you cannot sit on them the pressure means water goes through.
Paramo are heavy, run warm and need constant reapplication of DWR coating. Great jackets otherwise.
@@grahamriley8124 then backpacking would cause leak at shoulders?
Please do another vid featuring all the hoods up of each of these jackets - would be super helpful
Best video on rain jackets Ive watched. Subbed.
Thanks for watching and for being here! If there's ever anything else you want to see, let me know!
A rain jacket with membrane backing & fully taped seams should do the jobs of most situations.
I am selling proper rain jacket at Amazon and find people really like the cheap rain jackets. Those cheap rain jacket only have thin coating & without any seam taped outsell a lot than mine. They will be 100% leak even in light rains, but they could sell 10,000pcs per month!
Seems the customers don't care or they don't know ? How could the jacket protect you in the rain if no seam taped!
Many people consider DWR as waterproof, and don't know DWR will be faded and washed off!
Extremely helpful
Thank you for watching friend, I appreciate you! Happy trails :)
Wow, that was clear and informative, well spoken and experience based. Loved it. Didn't know there were all these parameters. Live in the southwest where I get caught in the occasional downpour, but I don't hike, I carry a jacket on my motorcycle, and now I need to review what that REI jacket is and maybe look for something like your Patagonia jacket. Thanks so much for making so much more clarity, especially to us "newbies".......
Thank you so much for this feedback, I appreciate you! Wishing you the best of luck with your search and let me know if there's every anything else you want to see :)
This is a very informative video! Great job. A rain shell is a piece of survival gear, it must do its job 100% of the time. I use OR for years, its worked extremely well againt water pentration when cleaned and treated properly. But it sometimes not as breathable, but rarely a problem. I just purchased the EE Visp, bc of the pit zips, slightly longer for better coverage, it is ligsterkte than my OR, so we will see how durabke it will be. But, I hate the velcro type wrist cuffs, such a pain to deal with??? Plus we will see how well that works when the velcro get full of sand and dirt?
Thanks for your good wirk.😅
I use Arcteryx Beta Ar jacket. That jacket is an absolute beast. Never got wet in it. Expensive but still going strong after 12 years :) Rab Kangri gtx is my 2. choice.
Any views on the Rab phantom pull on? Specs looks crazy
Спасибо за исчерпывающий рассказ. Ну, прям сорока. Успехов!
Wow! I learned so much from watching this video! Thanks for sharing your wisdom with everyone!
last year (after struggling with goretex, pertex shield, H2NO etc for years) I bought a Páramo waterproof jacket, and have fallen in love. It's the only thing I've ever used that's kept me *actually dry,* from both rain and sweat when active
Totally looking into them! Thank you for the rec :)
@@groundupadventures I’m being a bit snarky here, but they fail outright the hydrostatic test so you might think them a safety issue…
Seriously though an otherwise good video is a bit marred by the confirmation bias attributing HH to outright waterproofing in rain conditions. It’s marketing nonsense that everyone seems to buy into that shouldn’t be further promulgated.
If Hilleberg fly sheets are “only” 2-3000 HH I think a jacket claiming 30,000 is technical nonsense.
@@leighrobinson That and pit zips are not needed on good items, arm bicep zips work better with a backpack.
THIS is the video of all videos for rain jackets and relevant information. I bought the Black Diamond Stormline Stretch which has all the features I was looking for and looks great as well. Thanks for this.
Thanks for the detailed review.
No Buffalo or Paramo systems?
What are your thoughts on Patagonia granite crest vs 3L torrent jacket?
Thanks
Granite crest feels lighter and softer compared to 3L.
What city are you in?
Really liked your video, thank-you. Question: would the Rab Kinetic 2.0 allow in rain via pressure from the back straps of a light day pack?
Not in my experience :) I've never had it fully saturated despite wearing it in some pretty gnarly storms
Nice video thanks! Consider adding metric system when showing weight
Something you might not know: you can convert units with Google.
@@zhuochen8092 why are you stating the obvious?
@@Braakorv So you do know how to do it.
Thanks for this! It took a lot of time to make this video and I was just trying to get the info out, but appreciate your input!
These videos are a lifesaver if your are trying to buy any outdoor gear!
I'm so glad they've been helpful! Let me know if theres anything specific you want to see in the future :)
Great, hard hitting video. Thank you.
Thanks for taking the time to watch! I'm glad it helped :)
It's incredible people forget things they learned in school physics lessons. Breathable membranes only work in very specific conditions, cold dry climates. Gore-tex is the worst for propagating these marketing claims. It is DWR that makes a new waterproof item seem waterproof by making it runoff. The key to waterproof clothing is ventilation. A plastic mac is more waterproof than any breathable rain jacket; however, there needs to be adequate ventilation such as pit zips and side, arm and back vents. Anyone who wants waterproof clothing needs to accept that they may at times feel damp. This realisation has led to the growing popularity of non-waterproof waterproof clothing such as Ventile, Paramo and other similar softshell products, even hiking umbrellas! Finally, a waterproof should only be worn when it is raining (Precipitanumber of shocks me the number of people I hear complaining about their hardshell waterproofs while wearing them in conditions other than rain. A waterproof jacket is not the correct clothing to protect you from a cold wind. A cheep breathable windproof jacket is best to wear as an outer-shell garment. I would advise avoiding windproof fleeces and the like, they have all the problems associated with waterproof when it comes to breathability and comfort.
Great video. Thanks
Thanks for watching :)
Thank you kindly.
Thank YOU! Happy trails :)
Good info!
Thanks for watching!
I took a risk on a Mountain Hardwear Stretch Ozonic Jacket - 2.5 membrane and was on sale for $75. I tried the Patagonia Torentshell and it was just too stiff and loud. And heavier/bulkier packed up. Kinda random reasons. But I wanted to make sure I actually take my rainjacket with me and since I tend to travel a lot, the versatility of something that I could wear as a regular jacket but also to hike in nudged me towards the MH. And the price.