$100 vs $500 puffy jacket
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Hey Dan, glad you're back reviewing gear. Could you do a video on the different hiking/trekking pants that you've used? Please and thank you, looking forward to future videos.
I bought the Decathlon jacket last winter for hiking, for all the reasons Dan mentioned. The first couple hikes I ended up pulling it off because I was too warm. I wear a base layer, light fleece under this jacket and if it is snowing or raining I put a shell over top. I live in Canada and hike the Rockies. At -10 to -14c I start my hikes with only the base and light or medium fleece (be bold, start cold). So far only add the jacket when stopped for a break. All four layers I mentioned are from Decathlon and I would not change a thing!
I hiked Yosemite in late October 2023, and had the Mt100 (same color). What can I say... AWESOME JACKET!
Fun fact on the zipper 02:22: In Europe, usually the zipper on men's clothes zips on the left while for the ladies they have the zipper on the right (same with shirt buttons). When I had my first Columbia jacket I was confused if I accidently got myself a women's jacket, but then I learned, Americans just do things the other way round
I like how you put it: You could take that leftover $400 and use it to layer-up
Get an extra decathlon fleece for 40 bucks and spend the rest on real turmat meals
I got that Jacket on clearance for $60. I was STOKED!!! Thanks Dan.
where? Link?
same here... thanks
I got the decathlon for Christmas as I gear up for my Pictured Rocks hike this fall.. not disappointed at all
The Decathlon jacket is fantastic, been using it for the past 2 winters here in Canada. Works well if you layer up properly.
Down jackets from MEC are legit too and can get them on sale for $60-100 and have multiple thruhikes on mine and still going strong.
Mine too @@ryanb3908
What province are ya in?
@@painshotnation Sask. and NS
What size did you choose . I’m 6 foot one 200 pounds I’d like to make sure that I order the right size
I have MH Ghost Whisperer - had it for at least 6 years. The zipper broke this fall and MH is fixing it free of charge -it has a lifetime warranty. Love the jacket but I might need to get one of these as a backup.
I’m curious why no one compares the other decathlon jackets. They have the 500 for $149 and the 900 for $199. Both look to be warmer. Would like to see how they compare. The 100 is nice, my wife has one, it’s not super warm though.
The 900 isn't really very good warmth to weight wise, but I love the MT500.
Yeah, I really want one of these outdoor gear review channels to do the MT500, because It would be a better comparison to the MontBell, IMO.
@@Sam-Icy@Sam-nz9yn The MT500 isn't in the same class as the Montbell Plasma 1000 Alpine parka. It's almost twice the weight. Substantially more fill weight too. Montbell's analogue to the Decathalon MT500 would be the Light Alpine Parka. If it helps I've used both and prefer the Montbell. It has much better construction, seemingly warmer and better features. The shell fabric on the Decathalon feels noticeably cheaper and the chest fitment is peculiar too, it's oddly tight there while loose elsewhere else. Which isn't a problem for me with other brands. The MT100 is the only stand out down jacket Decathalon offers other than their higher end Decathalon Simmond down jacket. As the MT900 uses that same crappy shell fabric as the MT500 and no longer has 800 fill down (like MT100 and MT500).
@@Ilost11The plasma with only 96g of 1000 won’t be warmer than the MT500
@@chefgav1 I own both, they're both good jackets in their own right. The Montbell is noticeably better in stitching, design, DWR coating, shell fabric, fitment/cut and general attention to detail. The Montbell Alpine Down Parka in US size mediun has a 1000 down fill weight of 96 grams while the MT500 is 140g of 800 fill down. All else being equal that 96g 1000 down fill weight is equal to 120g of 800 fill down. The Decathalon jacket is a bit warmer, but the Montbell is surprisingly close, in practice whether that is a function of their unique stitching pattern or whatever else I am not sure. It's also half the weight at 236g vs 430g. The jackets are in different price categories and weight categories. The Decathalon jacket is good for what it costs, but the Montbell Plasma 1000D Alpine Parka is in a different category all together. The Plasma 1000D Alpine Down Parka is more in the weight class of the MT100 or Mountain Hardware Ghost Whisperer.
I just used my Decathlon MT100 on a winter hike in the 20s and was so warm when at summit, but had to take off when hiking, really love it, packs down to nothing in my pack, best $60.00 ive ever spent on my gear, all the very best.
Such a great and helpful review. Love these little comparison videos. Really gives good perspective and always enjoy the touch of humor you bring to the table. I wonder if you might do another video on hiking pants at some point as well.
Dan, I know you’re looking forward to telling more stories (I am too!) and doing fewer reviews, but you’re darn good at it! I was so engaged, I had to come back to the video to like it because I forgot! I don’t even need a jacket! 😂
I've found the best way to compare puffer jackets is the create a little table that calculates the volume of lofted air that the fill can capture, as this equates to the warmth of the jacket. It's not an exact calculation of course because it assumes perfect theoretical maximum loft for a given fill weight and loft rating, and it doesn't factor in the jacket's ability to trap and maintain lofted warmed air versus leaking it, but it puts all jackets on a level playing ground so you can look at what you're dealing with. Combined with the total weight of the jacket you can also calculate a warmth to weight ratio.
The Decathlon has a loft volume of 40.23 liters and the Mont Bell has a loft volume of 55.49 liters so there's a significant difference in warmth there. When you factor in the warmth to weight ratio the Decathlon scores at 0.14 (liters of lofted air per gram) whereas the Mont Bell is 0.23, so you're talking about a jacket that is almost 50% warmer with close to double the warmth to weight ratio, that's why it's five times as expensive.
Thank you for this information.
There is an online calculator where you can input the amount of down & fill power and it tells you how much of down would be needed for same warmth with different FP’s. It works really well
Yes. People in the community consistently underestimate the importance of fill power. The popular opinion is “fill weight matters, fill power doesn’t” when in fact you need BOTH numbers to estimate/calculate the potential warmth factor.
I own the Decathlon Forclaz MT100, Arc'teryx Cerium SL, and Patagonia Micro Puff. If you have money to burn - like Dan said - you still might buy a Forclaz simply because... I don't care if it gets trashed on a winter over-night by the fire. 😉
I’m looking at purchasing the Montbell Apline Down Jacket in the next few days, this video couldn’t have come at a better time! thanks Dan!
Glad I could help!
@@DanBecker You sure did! keep doing what you’re doing! hope your recovery is going smoothly.
been using the decathlon jacket since 2019.. It has carried me through wintery Scotland and Sweden, amongst other north European destinations. Best quality / price outthere.
I have had the same forclaz also for 2-3 year. The price is great, very light and packable and is a fantastic fall jacket. However,found the outer shell fragile, I have several repairs to mine for tears on the trail. I live in Canada and have several puffy jackets. I don’t consider this a warm jacket. I wear it in the winter but only if it around 0C. I like it and wear it, but there are definitely cons. Depends what you want it for. Thx for the video
To be fair you're comparing a jacket specifically made to be a lightweight down jacket to a heavy winter down jacket. A fairer comparison to the $500 jacket would be decathlons MT500 jacket
Fluffier down = warmer down. That’s why fill power impacts the warmth of the garment.
I have montbell jackets down,synthetic,and rain I love all of them , and rarely do a trip without a montbell piece. I also love my mammut, and torrid jackets. I might have to try a Decathalon jacket for around town.
I love my decathlon jacket that I got, on sale, for 40 Canadian dollars about two years ago. I've worn it camping, hiking, underneath a parka on the really cold days, the dog has slept on it and it still is lofty and warm. No tears and has even withstood the washer and dryer. I'm sure I'll be wearing it for years to come. I ended up with a true bargain.
it is makes an amazing difference...great alone or in a layering set-up...
In europe its 65 euro the decathlon one, near 71dollars. its great mine its 2 years and i wear it everywhere... mountain streets, and its imaculate. For the Hood you dont really need the ajustement cords, it fits really well.. i might buy in another colour soon
I've lived in Italy for the past five years and we go to Decathlon probably too much lol! Their clothing sizes run just like all European sizes and are always smaller than what Americans are use to.
I got the jacket on sale for a little under €60 and have loved it. Just layer up properly for below 0° and no problem. Best in class for the money.
*Also they have the MT500 version which costs a bit more but is much warmer*
Can I do a quick shopping brag here with people who will get it? Went to an estate sale this summer and found a Montbelle Storm Cruiser and pants for $50 for the pair, a win. Thanks, Im done now.
For years i used and still use this decathlon jacket as my winter jacket in combination with a very cheap marmot rain jacket. It also my hicking combo since years i was very impressed by the decathlon jacket at all.
The decathlon didnt go up in price because of inflation, it went up because every youtuber recommended the jacket and the company saw that as an opportunity to jack the price up. Its greedflation, not inflation.
I’ve got the Mont Bell. It’s just so ridiculous good. I did bought the Plasma vest as well a month later. That combo is for sure expensive but I just wish I bought them in the first place.
Thanks Dan
Nice review. The Decathlon jacket looks nice if I was in the market. I was blessed to have gotten a Patagonia Micro Puff on clearance for $100 a year and a half ago and I still have my old Nano Puff I got as a factory second on Patagonia’s Worn Wear site for about the same price. Probably won’t need another jacket for a while.
A good European alternative to the montbell is the Rab mythic G.
4.5oz 1000 fill goose down with TILT in a 9.8oz jacket.
Just picked up a MH Ghost Whisperer 2 for $180 new but now debating on sending it back for the Decathlon
The Decathlon Jacket was really the Best 60 Bucks i ever spend. Seen them used for 30 Bucks aswell Perfect deal
I have always love your honest reviews! Thanks for helping the normies out here!
I got 55 US$ the Hardland Down Jacket and it is pretty good. It smells like duck at the beginning but it went away slowly or I got used to it. :D
My decathlon has been great. When i got it, i worried that the zipper would be the weak link but no issues after a year. I would like an interior or chest pocket
Thanks for the great review!
Have you ever looked at a Stone Glacier puffy? Best puffy I've ever owned
You buy the gear you want and that works for you and is within your budget. I never upsell myself. Absent empirically verifiable data from an object lab, most gear videos are not that all helpful. A $100 (US) jacket with proper layering works great, and I don't worry or think about it getting damaged.
This is like the third time you have done this same review/video just in the last year that I've followed you. In my neck of the woods, everything I buy absolutely must be waterproof and breathable since I live in a temporate, maritime rainforest. It's the #1 reason I won't buy either of these jackets. Bummed you didn't address that.
The best bargan is the 32 degrees brand puffy jacket. Removable hood, warm, compressable, $30 on sale now....
Been using the mt100 for over 7 years now.
It's awesome
How do you wash it? Do you use tennis ball in washer and dryer? Or hand wash?
The Forclaz Trek 100 jacket was my go to for a 2022 AT thru hike. I did a comparison video a few months before I left where I compared the stats to the Mountain Hardwear Ghost Whisperer II jacket. The only real difference was the Forclaz used thicker material that was 2 OZ heavier...but hundreds of dollars less.
When I ran into other people with the jacket, we were giving each other head nods because we knew the real deal about the jacket. Kind of like a secret club.
Personally, I use the Forclaz Trek synthetic version. When you have been hiking all day in cold weather, you'll need to throw on an insulating layer at the end of the day. Down jackets have a tendency to lose insulation as your under layers start drying and evaporating, dampening the feathers. The synthetic version eliminates that issue for a couple of more ounces of weight.
Also, the hood doesn't have a drawstring and you can get drafts. I found if you put up the hood and pull your buff over top, it will seal up the opening on the hood just fine.
I would really like to see that Plasma puffy up against the new Rab Mythic G.
Hi Dan.
Thanks for the video - I'm seriusly considering getting a hooded puffy jacket, and your video helped a lot.
I will be purchasing the MT100 soon.
Hoping the Lord richly blesses you and your family in 2024.
Honestly, we should all buy the cheaper jacket and leave these companies who charge ridiculous money for something that doesn't cost that much to make so that they HAVE to make it cheaper or go out of business.
Outdoor vitals Loftek is cheap and warm and has pit zips
I bought my Rab Cirrus Alpine from Enwild's eBay store for $70 and it was basically brand new. Also bought a brand new pair of Mountain Hardwear pants for $17. Shop smart at you can still have top of the line gear without going broke.
The cost difference is WAY greater in the U.K, The Montbell would cost £448, or $570! Whilst the Decathlon only costs the equivalent of $76, meaning that it's 7.6 times the price. So it is really a no-brainer over here!
I've got a Decathlon (under the older Trek moniker) and bought it on an older video Dan made comparing it to the MH Ghost Whisperer.
I *can* afford whatever I'd like (I'm blessed and deeply grateful for my good fortune) but have yet to feel any need to change. I'm generally a cold-natured guy for some reason and this jacket never fails to impress me. I'm always plenty warm.
Unlike Dan, I reserve mine for hiking, but like Dan, I haven't noticed any wear or degradation in the jacket.
The euro zip is weird for Americans for a bit, but a lot of my motorcycle gear is the same; you get used to it pretty quickly.
IMO this is the single best cost : $ piece of backpacking gear I have ever purchased.
Thanks, Dan!
Hey Dan, I work in a outdoor gear store in Australia and I have never seen you guys in America look at Rab products, i just purchased the Rab Mythic Alpine which is also an amazing jacket, but i think you would like the Rab Mythic G specifically for its TILT technology.
Could you also do a review on the Rab Mythic Alpine?? Been curious about that one too
I love my MT100!!! Would I rather have the Montbell? Yes, but not at 5X the cost.
The Forclaz MT500 Hooded down jacket would be more of a better comparison because of just the warmth factor in all this. Its a new product that was recently released and costs $149. Its just a beefier MT100, I think? So, far no one has reviews how for it yet. I'd love it if you guys could get your hands on one and test it out!
Realistically, it's actually a $80 vs $200 jacket
@DanBecker good review, thank you for that! Any experiences if the jacket looses down feather through the shell fabric? Other doubt that I have: the jacket seems a little bit thin, maybe warm enough during hiking, but is the jacket warm enough by -5°C/-10°C (23°F or 14°F) if you make a break?
Now this is a good video. Just talking about gear. That’s all I need to watch. Thank you.
Just bought the Forclaz MT100 from Decathlon online for £39.99 ($50] … seems like a great jacket,so let’s see if it lasts … bought two, delivery was £5.99 …
BOYCOT DOWN GO 🐐 how many ducks die for that coat?
@DanBecker, what puffy coats do your kids wear? Mine are upper elementary age & the women's decathlon xs is still just too big. Eddie Bauer made decent mid weight puffy coats but they stopped kids clothes this year. What else is out there?
I bought the Decathlon jacket for myself and my wife for our trip to Iceland based on a previous review. They were great! I wish we could post pics in the comments. I'd show you pics of us hiking on a glacier in them! We got the jackets without the hoods on sale for $60! We loved them so much each of our kids got one for Christmas.
and the syntetic fill from decathlon is almost half the price (at least in mexico)
Hi Dan. Can you do the comparison between Big Agnes rapid Sl sleeping pad and Zenbivy light mattress?
No such video on TH-cams🙏🏻
In the Netherlands 69,- euro. $75. Doesn’t get cheaper in comparison to quality
My MT100 has a weight of 310gr in size L and 325gr with stuff sack. The jacket without hood I measured ~ 290gr.
i think more reviews about cheap down products should specify weather or not the down is RDS certified and mention the importance of it. Live goose/duck feather plucking is a nasty practice. Fortunately Decathlon is RDS
👍 thanks Dan. This is why I appreciate your videos. 👊
Decathlon sells a warmer version of their jacket, the MT500 with a few extra features for not much added cost, I'm yet to see it mentioned in any viddeo, anywhere... Do you have any feedback on it?
Love my MT100. It cannot be beat for the price. I wore it to work today lol
Great comparison, with that said what are your thoughts on the Outdoor Research Helium Down Hoodie $300? Does it meet in the middle between these two…has great reviews. Again thanks for the video.
The Decathlon jacket is 70 euro in the Netherlands. I guess you pay for buying it outside of Europe...
Doesn't say that the jacket is RDS on their website as of now or the any time you've talked about this jacket, just fyi. Looks warm and cozy, just not RDS.
If I am correct, we in Europe have it this way: men jackets have zippers on the left side, women on the right side. Fix me if I am wrong :)
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it's funny how I get frustrated with American Jacket zippers.
I just received my decathlon jacket. I order extra large. It doesn’t fit at all. They won’t let me exchange it because it was on clearance. Boy is that great!
Suggest to buy the Montbell in Japan only when you visit it. it is like US$200 there tax included.
Make sure before you buy a down jacket that the feathers are humanly obtained from the bird. Live plucking is horrible.
Eddie Bauer has a 1000fp jacket that weighs 10oz. Its always on sale, and they make tall sizes.
how about abrasion/shinyness from carrying backpacks? All my jackets get a shiny color on the back.
Cumulus Inverse Jacket is 900FP and only $250
I’ve heard the Uniqlo light down parka is warmer than the decathlon for a lower price. Although stats are hard to find.
Full disclosure, I’m a bit of a jacket hoarder.😳 I have the Decarhlon MT 100 and it’s big brother the MT 500. They are both great I do a ton of hiking in the forests around here and spend a lot of time outdoors going to markets etc. I’m military stationed in Germany and bought them both at the local Decathlon store on the same day for €180. Great value.
Ktown?
Red jacket looks goofy. Like something a goofy rich person would wear.
Mt100 is 59 USD in my country. 100 USD costs the mt900 which is the one is rated for -18c. I suppose Decathlon prices are more expensive in the states.
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Yeah, Decathalon has raised prices for united states, but not other countries.
Save even more - $35 for an Eddie Bauer 12 ounce down jacket at Costco!
Or split the difference and get the Enlighten Torrid like every thru hikers have.
Cops will pull you over wearing that red jacket.
I have a few puffy jackets from various vendors and at various price points. I think the $30 amazon basics puffer is a total bargain.
That's what I have! Just posted another comment about it. $35 now. 15.7 oz. Synthetic, not down, but still warm. It's great!
I dislike down filling because it comes out of the jacket.
I wonder how mont Bell compares to phd
The Womens zipper in Europe is on the right side and the mens is on the left
Saludos. Podrías hablar de chalecos???? Un abrazo desde España
Can you compare the Montbell Plasma to the Crazy Idea Levity?
I want to see more with synthetic puffy jackets. Down is a no go for me.
On the Montbell, What size were you wearing?
The montbell is not RDS certified as you said in the video
I'd rather buy 5 decathlon jackets
Great video.
Best vs cost.
Excellent presentation
Thank you very much!
Love the MT100, wore it for ages. I now have a Fjern Arktis Stealth - warmer and has a proper drawstring hood - and was cheap in a Sportpursuit sale, only £30-40 more than the MT100. Would be interested in a heads-up between those, cos I think the loft is similar.
Totally agree about layering - I'd say get the MT100 and get a decent merino base layers, would make far more difference than a down jacket.
I just got the decathlon jacket and wiw its really nice.
I bought one. Hardly any down insulation in it, returning