Dodge Viper | Super Car or Garbage Truck?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ก.ค. 2024
- We review and discuss the 2009 Gen 4 Dodge Viper with 600HP and 560TQ V10. We talked about the evolution, development, and all of the technical details on why you would want to buy one of the few modern American Super Cars. We don't hold back and show the good and bad of this generation.
With Hellcats and now the Ram TRX roaming the street, the Viper is still the FCA king.
Index:
00:00 - 1:02 Intro - Grilled
1:02 - 4:08 Interior Impressions
4:08 - 8:33 Mechanical Discussion, Development Story and Suspension
8:33 - 10:26 Rear Suspension and Differential
10:26 - 14:01 Engine Discussion
14:01 - 20:19 Driving Impressions
20:19 Final Thoughts - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
The only safety feature it has is FEAR OF DYING
Solid motivator
My car on the other hand doesn't need traction control because it can't spin the tires in first gear on gravel!
@@juanordonezgalban2278 bruh what kind of car lmao
Okay I snorted with that comment. Well done.
I read that in Mr. Regulars voice 😁😂
My wife walked by during the hot dog opening and said, "what the hell are you watching?!"
"Car review, honey."
My girlfriend and I were still half awake and I am watching the video and wanted her to see the car so I said hey look at this and of course that was when the hotdog cooking stuff came on and she was confused.. its raining at 8 am and you want hot dogs ?
Lol
sounds like some mom talking to her kid. eaaah
Wow lol.
Yeah I had to fast forward that part. :(
It’s like an A10 warthog. They built the gun first, then the plane around it. The Viper is primarily an engine with a car attached to it.
For as much as that interior sucks, I kind of admire the simplicity.
I just bought a 2000 Viper GTS. I love the interior, my GTR interior is trash lol
The interior is supposed to be simple, race car like nothing special, the first Viper had no CD player
@@fucuszullanti7877 I had a 2000 GTS for 7 years. Absolutely loved it ... and the interior matched the car and what it’s all about. I thought it was great as well. Have fun in that super special car!!
There is a reason why used Vipers are 35000$ to 50000$. Its not some bloated luxo barge. From what I have seen and heard its a brutal and unforgiving beast. Not meant for the weak of heart or timid.
@@fadedjate7230 exactly. It’s a driver’s car for sure. And not as dangerous as many think - as long as you take the time first to learn how it behaves. I thought it was a thrill to drive ... loved every minute.
1:22 LOL at the "snek" license plate. That got me good.
that got me too. I was expecting the first comment to be about that but I was disappointed that no one caught it.
haha me too love it!
Missing a "no step on snek" sticker.
Don't tread on me
saw this when window xp still new...
The phrase "I need more HEAT!" has now been fully integrated into the local lexicon. Thanks.
One of the most memorable cars I've driven. 100% visceral hammer. Only drove it on street. Everyone should at least experience driving this car once.
saw this when window xp still new...
When did Toyota stop making those? I can’t find one
The only excuse I can make for the the interior is that the performance and exterior were punching so far above it’s weight for the price point that concessions had to be made somewhere.
It's interior is very much standard for an American car in the 90s. As he notes, the parts are right out of a Breeze or Neon. That's what Dodge had available. They simply lacked the resources to give this its own switchgear, door hardware, etc.
Also being old and remembering ..no one gave a shit about interiors in the 90s even some of the German stuff was questionable.
Only corvette can make that excuse. Thats the biggest bang for the buck.
It’s a race car... who’s looking at the interior when you’re focused on the tarmac?
@@brodiwheeler7583 as the owner of a terminator, I agree with this lol.
9:07 omg it comes with twinkies? 🥵
It was a factory option
Raitis rides would love that option lol
Need some dessert after a hot dog dinner.
Viper had a Twinkie Service Bulletin some time back.
That final shot looks insane. It looks like he's standing in front of a picture, it's so well framed.
Thanks :)
I heard it goes from 0-60 in 4ish seconds... in the dirt.
@@KevinSmith-qi5yn at extreme altitude we got 5.1 so I believe it.
If theres one thing savagegeese gonna do is make it look beautiful, they can probably make a aztec desirable aesthetically
The only time a trx has looked good
Unsubscribed, disliked and reported for showing porn. Next time you better blur the hotdog scenes.
Lmao
saw this when window xp still new...
It’s a kluge!
Hotdogs need love too
The Viper engine is not based on the truck V10; it's the other way around. Viper came out in 1992, first V10 truck was 1994. Both started as an extra cylinder on the LA-block V8 with a longer stroke, but beyond this concept, the two diverge. The Viper V10 really torched a lot of its V8 roots in the aluminum conversion, whereas the Magnum tried to use 5.9/5.2 parts wherever possible. In the end, basically nothing can be swapped between the two. But still, the Viper did it first.
I am so glad the TH-cam algos lead me to your channel earlier in the pandemic.
You guys are the best (and the most under-rated) car review channel out there.
It's like a well kept secret of the automotive world.
If the phrase “Hold my beer” was a car, it would be a Dodge Viper. Makes me happy to see you guys reviewing my kindergarten dream car (and still my dream car). Fantastic video as always.
nobody talk about how sexy the exterior design is,its beautiful in the way that its simple yet so sexy and exotic
The 1st gen GTS is much nicer.
1 sided review. Didn’t hit any of the high points... just bashed it for 20 minutes LOL
@@brianl505 they just didn't want to feed any more "WOW VIPER BIG ENGINE GUD" porno to the tweezer-wielding jerk-offs that already made their mind up about this car being the best thing to come along since Viagra.
@@ktakashismith see also, RCR's review of the gen 1 Viper
And yet somehow, despite this basically being a lowered supertruck.. It managed to capture the much sought after Nürburgring Nordschleife production car laptime record for a brief period of time... Very impressive.
Not to mention it holds the most track records of any production vehicle
ever
@@THESLlCK Thing is a beast!
it also literally had the biggest stock tires ever on a production car...
@@veryrare7647 355's baby!
@@THESLlCK yea my point was that most of those records are largely due to having bigger tires than anything else. when other cars got big tires as well, they reclaimed the records.
"...we just did another video... ...LFA..."
Seriously? You will be reviewing the LFA? :D
They should just play engine audio for the entire video.
@ki0ng Where? I don't see it
@@NeutralGenericUser it'll probably be released later like most theirvideos.
th-cam.com/video/odYWAETCwNk/w-d-xo.html
That's exactly what I thought too lol! Can't wait for that. Ultimate dream car for me.
please do a 2013+ G5 Viper review. Dramatically better interior than in the past. Pretty much all the negatives you have in the video get addressed in the G5, far more refined
Yup I owned a 2013 viper gts sold it this year. Timeless design when I would stop pretty much anywhere everybody thought it was new. Best budget supercar you can get I’ve hit 203 mph it took about 3miles to achieve🏁🏁
Loved the video. When you get a Gen V, there's a huge breadth in spring rates and daily livability from model to model. I prefer the dual mode Bilsteins, the Laguna interior is nicer than a Hellcat and actually feels special, the 18 speaker stereo is decent. Dodge finally made it a complete experience and you don't have to make excuses for the inside.
something about the phrase "18 speaker stereo" makes me giggle
@@JamesFuston 18 speaker is already silly, but 18 in a VIPER cabin...just excessive.
@Nissan370Z Glass Is it OEM?
@@nicholasdean3869 obviously not
until the motor grenades, yes
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a two person in car review of the viper where the passenger is comfortable with what’s going on.
Lmao!
I'm not a Mopar guy at all but there's nothing garbage about the Viper. Such a magnificent, deadly beast
it's the only mopar car I really like, the first gen is the best though, body wise, perfect lines.
You should have cooked those sausages on the side sills! Everyone knows that's the hottest part of the car! 🙄😂
Beat me to it 😂
Should baked them in the drivers footwell
No no no, the hottest part is the driver 🥵
These cars are raw,exciting and unapologetic for what they are. They are hammers not a fly swatter. Dodge did an exceptional job with this super car. The modern ACR is insane.
The perfect track car. Naturally aspirated V10 that won’t overheat.
Finally! A family car I can afford
The dynamic between you guy have in your discussion is really really well thought out. Neither of you seem particularly in one way or the other, and if you are, you take time to justify your point.
Also like how you're making effort to do goofy shit. definitely keeps videos entertaining.
You should have cooked those sausages on the side sills! Everyone knows that's the hottest part of the car! 🙄😂
The Interior: "i don't even wanna talk about it' LOL Awesome
I'm one of those "don't need the fancy schmancy interior" dudes. I'm looking at the gauges, mirrors or out the window. I don't need a fancy bedroom either, I spend my time there with my eyes closed.
These things (ACR, especially) were competing with cars 2-3x the price on the track. And it crushed most of them. Ditching luxuries for average Chrysler interior quality of the time was perfectly excusable.
There is a reason the gen 5 was so much more expensive (gen 4s also had decent discounts off sticker when new).
Ok, but Corvettes and Vipers are not bargains, it's just German and Italian sport cars are overpriced by design for "exclusivity" which is very important for the douchebags who buy them and drive then 500 miles a year.
@@truantray 100% true. Though Vipers and, to a lesser degree, Vettes are engineered by people with extensive racing experience. You can build some pretty damn wild home made autocross rides but FCA and GM are so far the only ones offering you that experience, with a warranty at a comparably affordable price. If track days are your reason to get a high performance car, skip the poser stuff like the Huracan or McLaren and grow a pair and drive an ACR. There's a reason every time a former race car driver drives a gen 5 ACR they gush about them unlike any other production car out there. They were designed by pro racers to tick all the boxes a pro racer would want in a street legal car.
If you compare the gen 5, even the ACR, to what they've beaten on tracks, its incredible. Sure, the Viper ACR 5th gen is in the 6 figures, but its near the bottom of the barrel levels of cost. Vettes are a close second, but remember... the ACR is beating the shit out of what the Vettes can barely compete against... which is not to say anything against the Vettes, in fact, it just proves Vettes are insane value for performance and arguably better in terms of interiors and drivability. If anything, the ACR is what a Vette would be if Dodge's tunnel-vision was the mindset behind the engineering of a car for the purpose. Think about it, the Challenger is the last true Muscle Car standing, where it does not give a fuck about corners, while the Vipers of any generation, trim, what have you, are meant to be driven seriously around corners and does not give a damn about the driver's comfort, let alone safety (in fact, sitting in one is so unbearable as it forces you to sit in an awkward fashion).
Doesn't the ACR still hold a few world records? I know it still holds the title for biggest v10.
@@chancehupp3142This is late but if you’re talking track records, yes the Gen 5 ACR still holds 10 lap records last I checked, and I’m pretty sure the viper held the record for largest displacement when it was in production. I think Bugatti holds the record now.
Hear me out: Remember how Toyota/ BMW brought back the Supra? Imagine that, but for the Viper.
"SwEeT FiAt ViPeR!"
I'm calling it now, regardless of if the car is ever made
What do you mean? A Viper with an interior and an engine from BMW? 😂
@@edmaluf Will that improve the reliability or worsen it?
pass
Electric viper? 1000hp rwd twin electric motor?
I think Jack has evolved into King Kong after driving this car.
You have to man handle that shifter to get this car moving. Truly a beast machine.
The Gen IV Viper is one of the best looking perf cars ever made...this car stands out no matter what you park it next to and for all it's short comings it works...IMO this is one of the best raw performance cars ever and it's looks still to this day very sexy...another thing I like about the Gen IV Viper is that you have to know how to drive.. there's nothing to save you but you!!
Until you see the interior...
@@nezabytes The interior is just fine...ever drive one ??...I did used to own one and nothing is more functional than the Viper seat steering wheel pedals and shifter set up it all just works.
@@nezabyteswho gives a shit. It’s not meant to be a daily. Car was meant to be driven and it drives like no other car out there that’s what makes it special.
Thanks for doing a review on the Viper. I have owned a 2006 Viper for 14 years. Yes, you pointed out every problem with the car and the positives. I just can't seem to want to get rid of this car, because it does something for me that no other car has done, the experience is so different than anything else. It makes you glad to be alive. The sounds and actions of the car are delicious. By the way, I do own a 2019 Dodge Hellcat Redeye, a 2018 Porsche Panamera Turbo, a 2016 BMW M4, a 2018 Porsche GT3 amongst a few others. They each have pro's and cons, and I love them all.
Amazing fleet! It must be a never ending job just to keep up with the maintenance.
I got to ask. What did you do to achieve that kind of wealth?
@markm0000 Work, and you can achieve these things as well. Investing, buy stocks, housing developments, heck, go have a garage sale every weekend. There is a bunch of money to be made.
None of those cars are extremely expensive. If he would of said Rolls Royce, Bugatti, McClaren or LA Ferraris, than sure, ge had a fat bank note.
Is jack ok? He sounds a bit under the weather.
I lost my voice for the screaming bits of this video 😅
@@jackholmes8105 It's also getting to that season too.
-A former Wisconsinite
@@jackholmes8105 Worth it!
Holmes wishing fast recovery, I was worried it could be covid hearing your voice.
He has the Corona.
Guys, don't ever change. A good, serious, high quality review always needs some serious Shenanigans.
THIS is a proper supercar......RIP, Viper
I think it is important to remember that in this Era, dodge seemed to have this philosophy to get the most power to the consumer for the lowest price. They tried to fix the interior with the Gen 5 and the price tag skyrocketed. The Gen 4 is my favorite and the most sophisticated Viper I might have a chance to afford one day. I have loved the Viper and everything it stands for since I was a little kid. I used to draw pictures of vipers and I loved driving this car in gran turismo 2! Love this car! Merica!
I was expecting Toddd. Is he too busy doing distressed business deals?
LOL! "Distressed business deals"
Business deals with other women ;)
I miss Toddd. Where is the crazy coot?
RIP turbowski, another victim of the opioid epidemic.
@@mooncookie3688 fr I miss scott :-(
Every part of your videos is enjoyable. The information, insight, cinematography, music, and jokes.
I DD my Viper during the summer... Roughly 20k miles every summer. I love every minute of it.
You will never see a car like this again. That’s what makes it so valuable and will be a classic car someday. The faults make it special in a world of perfection.
That's the comment I was looking for - because it's what I wanted to write but couldn't think of while watching.
what camera are they using to film the inside car shots?
I know, right
Handheld 👍
Samsung s8
iPhone SE
I'd love to see this compared against the gen V that fixes almost all of your issues with this.
And when does the GT3 review go up? Been waiting forever!
They probably chose this one on purpose so they could complain. He doesn't want to compliment a viper
It's not supposed too be a super car; it's a track car, and it has a fantastic, 30+ year pedigree of track domination too prove it; the shining example here, is it's records on the Nurburgring. It took the competition a LONG time to surpass the Vipers lap times.
As Car and Driver said of the original - it really only needs 3 gears because there is enough torque to live in that one.
Of course they also said: Enough torque to leave burnouts the length of the Hardee's drive-thru.
0:13 Jesus man it’s too early for this
that intro 😂
I love the Viper. It's raw, real and straight forward. You get behind the wheel and you know exactly what to get. Yes, the interior is spartan...because that's not what this car is about. Yes, it's loud and uncomfortable, because it's not supposed to be some pony to parade around the strip of Las Vegas. I had the pleasure of driving it once...I was terrified but appreciative of just how unapologetic it is. It doesn't baby you, hold your hand, or tell you everything is gonna be ok. From the moment you get it and start it up, it tells you 'Don't underestimate me, I will bite your head off if you get overconfident'
I love how connected you are. It's just you, a stick shift, no traction control and a big-ass V10 up front. Good luck, try not to die.
just re-watched this now that im Driving an ACR on track, pretty dang accurate. but the on track, the experience is MAGIC.
They are spot on with their comments. I had a gen 2 viper for 3 years and once I sold it I got a 2018 Hellcat. The Hellcat is my daily driver and after 33k miles still a nice place to be. Just a fun to beat the shit out of as the viper but much better to live with. That being said the viper is one of the best looking cars ever made.
Awesome video guys! I remember meeting Jack at a gas station when he was in possession of the new BMW Supra, I subscribed shortly after this. Thanks to my gear head buddy Matthew for letting me about this channel, which was prior to meeting Mark. Keep up the good work guys.
You’re welcome! Mark/Jack, this was a great video. I was dying from laughter but also appreciate all the hard facts.
Perfect review of an epic, unparalleled car! I've driven a Gen 3 and it's fantastic, for those like me who are into that kind of raw, brutal, exciting experience with a proper manual. Keep up the good work!
I feel like the only appropriate music playlist for this car is "Don't Fear The Reaper" on loop.
I wonder what the dB level in the cabin was, I couldn't hear the voices over the engine that well.
Imagine everytime you floor the pedal, that guy from "300" starts shouting in the passenger seat. It's about like that.
Rode in a Gen V GTS and it was deafening.
This interior makes any FIAT look like S class level
Rock solid review. Your sense of fairness and balance when you review a car is impressive.
EXCELLENT review. You guys are just steadily getting better. You've earned every subscription, view and deserve far more.
I love how they casually mentioned that they did an LFA video😂😂
I guess I'm an odd duck because I love the simplicity of the interior on the viper
Can't believe how glad I am to come across this video. Owned this exact car, same color and all for three years and it is to this day one of the 'funnest' cars I've ever owned. Yes it's crude and rough but nothing brings a smile to your face like this. Miss it so much!
🧢🧢🧢
@@box6982 Holy fuck , bet you are a supra fan
Another just incredible video by some of the best in the business, Mark and Jack! The Savage Geese!
The editing and personality Mark and Jack bring to the automotive world is amazing 😂
*accelerates*. Yeaahhh! *Shifts into second*. Yeaahhh! *Shifts into third*. Yeaahhh!!*. 😄
I love my Viper Coupe AND i Dailydrive it since 5 years from March to September/Oct. For me there is nothing that would fit my taste,the rawness,unfiltered and no nannys,perfect. For interioir reasons i covered all in finest italian leather from dashboard to headliner. And for the heat from exhausts i installed headers,no precats and racecats afterwards. Day and night difference.....also from sound :)
I have driven now somewhere 70k miles on my Vipers over last few years ans i still enjoy it every single time (except for rain lol) cant say that about that boring R8 and G`s that i tried out
The intro with the sausage, "OHHHhhhh", then, "I NEED MORE HEAT!" I was literally laughing out loud. Hilarious.
Second to none this is the best car review/overview channel out there. There’s no better way to learn all the details about a specific car.
so many awesome scenes--Jack's driving, the grilling on the engine (especially the Hebrew National apron!), and just the full review
Love that you found a coupe to review, as well as your comparison to a Lotus Elise/Exige, my other top 10 car.
IMO the gen IV viper coupe is the best version of that car. assembled like a kit car but they're rad.
Keep up the great work. Your work does not go unnoticed
Cool! They plopped a racetrack in the middle of a cornfield!
I’ve always been amazed how quiet the Viper V10 is, especially compared to a Corvette V8. It’s like the “imbalanced” firing order of the V10 is inherently smoother than a small block V8. It doesn’t scream, hardly even shouts.
I've never heard somebody complain so much about riding in a record-setting monster car
Yeah…. Bunch of whining…. As if this is someone’s daily driver..
Fantastic review. Keep up the quality work! Real inspiration.
You and Jack are knocking these out of the park.
A. The Viper is the most super car out of all the super cars.
B. Your chimpanzee noises made me laugh so much so I just keep rewinding it and ignoring the review.
I love mine. Its an all thrills no frills experience. Theres no other car that drives like it, its awesome.
This channel always cracks me up. Most car channels just gush about how much they love the cars. These guys seem like they sincerely dislike most cars that they review.
Outstanding videos. I always look forward to a new one.
"homologation" - Jack going for the good-word Olympics on that one!
I just wanted to say that videos like these are just so cool and the review on the super high performance older cars that I can potentially actually own at some point is exactly the kind of stuff I want to watch. Loved the 09 CTSV review and you guys are spot on with what it is and also how absolutely atrocious the automatic transmission is but I still enjoy it thanks guys!
You guys are having fun. Which makes this awesome.
You guys are great team...really enjoy these videos
In this episode: Small man gripes about everything.
If you get a chance, could you do a Factory Five Cobra? Would love to see one
My favorite car since my childhood, it's so nineties and it's gorgeous. My dad even gave me a 1:18 scale model, that blue one with the white stripes on the top.
Thanks a lot for the video Geese.
That's my daily dose of cars and comedy ticked off in under 30 minutes! loved it boys
Can't wait for the video on the LFA.
cant wait for the video on that TRX in the background at the end too. Looks like we have some good content to come!
Dodge and their Fischer Price interiors.
Toddlers have higher standards.
3gen interior 100 time better than this crap!
Dodge is the same company that put power windows and crank windows in the same car. GM cheaps out on a lot of things but never to that extent
If people are complaining about the interior, that's not the purpose for the Dodge Viper. Porsche 911 Carrera, Mercedes Benz AMG GT, even the 2020 Corvette C8 have stunning interiors and modern tech. The Viper was made to be an old school sports car. Jay Leno reviewed the 1st gen GTS and RT-10 and he didn't buy the two Vipers for modern tech. His Porsche has modern tech, the Viper doesn't need it. Fisker made a Viper kit car VLF Force that has nice interior, Automatic Transmission, and modern tech.
Fantastic video as always guys. Loved watching this. Never knew about the pedal box arrangement. I think I could forgive its one dimension approach if the engine sounded better. Easily the most interesting suspension up on the rack to not see subframes.
The best weeener reviews on ever n stuff.
“The big change to the back... it came with a Twinkie” 9:09
I don’t know where you get the music for the background shots, but it is Phenomenal each time!
This one's excited me particularly much. I wish he'd post the title.
As someone who grew up exclusively in Chrysler products of the 80s and 90s, I find nothing offensive with the interior.
I legit lolled when I saw the SNEK license plate.
Great review as usual Mr. Geese, but two things, please bring back Turbowski and when are you going to review the new bronco?
Turboski's busy doing turbo tuning dog 🐕 👌.
This was a masterfully done video
🤣😂 I love the Honesty!! 👏👏
That's why I love this channel!!
Epic intro! 😂
you said LFA and i dont even care about this video anymore.
same
The LFA is a true masterpiece
True that
@Nathan P. Cuckerston lmao what? It has a fantastic gearbox for its time. Sure it's clunky, but most single clutch automated manuals are. Just look at the Aventador which still sells with it to this day. As for no one wanting to buy one; that's a blatant lie. The car was a masterpiece, and anyone who cares for cars loves it.
@@ArtVandelayOfficial yea this is cap. the single clutch is not good by ANY standards but its visceral and just as good the f430 single clutch which is when that part of the car was developed. as for no one wanting to buy it is simply false. there’s a reason the prices haven’t depreciated at all. its because people want them.
Less than 30 seconds into the video and I'm hooked. I don't know how you do it.
I just bought a 2001 Viper GTS and drove it 425 miles home from where I picked it up. So, I have some saddle time. I appreciate what these guys are saying about the Viper with respect to the interior and what have you. Offset pedals? Try driving a Pantera or 1960s Lamborghini. Objectionable interior? Same with many performance cars, like an F40. You just accept or forgive those omissions for what the car delivers. So, I do not share the overly harsh criticism, but understand where it comes from. Want cup holders, blah, blah, blah... buy a Corvette. Hey, nothing wrong with Corvettes!