Upgrade your Raspberry Pi to a Homelab (instead of a Raspberry Pi 5)
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- The Raspberry Pi 5 was recently announced. It is faster than the old one, and you can add an SSD with a special adapter. The price went up, and now it needs a beefy power supply. Is it worth ordering one for our home automation server? Maybe you watch this video before you order.
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I forgot to mention that you must pay attention to the keyboard (I use a Swiss-German one where the Y and Z are reversed). You should find the how-to on the internet
Hi @AndreasSpiess, I have now succesfully loaded your Proxmox image and can open everything except for Portainer which won't accept the admin/raspberry123 user/password combination. Are there any tips that you can offer please? I have noted the swap of the y & z but without any joy.
all obvious permutations, of the en_US keymap [a,b,...,x,y,z,...,0,1,2,3,...], of 'y123' in raspberry123 (e.g., perm y->z gives y123->z123, and yields PW=raspberrz123, User=admin ) also seem to fail; however, on my en_US keyboard, PW=raspberrz User=pi, allows me to login to VM (cf. ROOT User/PW: pi/raspberry)
@@patricknash9575 I couldn't log into the Portainer console but eventually backed up /home/pi/IOTstack/volumes/portainer-ce/data/portainer.db and then deleted the file and then retried logging into Portainer and at that point I was asked for a new admin password so now able to access Portainer completely.
@@Howie55Aus Thank you. I deleted this db, but still get "Log in to your account" when I access Portainer. I must have screwed something else up; I will probably just start over from scratch, and immediately delete the db after restoring AndreasSpiess' VM.
@@patricknash9575 although it looks like a log in at this point I had to input the password twice. I just created the password as raspberry123 which then worked. Fingers crossed it works for you eventually.
Your videos are so information dense, you do a great service to the community.
Glad you think so! Thanks
The Raspberry Pi 5 is almost getting to the point, with power consumption, where a lower power Intel based SFF PC is beginning to look more economical from a power usage perspective, and as you said, much more powerful / useful for a home lab.
The RPi 5 uses the same idle power as a RPi 4. Of course it uses more power during usage than a RPi 4 because it's a lot faster. But if you don't need anything faster than a RPi 3 or 4, they are still available to buy. If you need something faster than a RPi 5 then I agree that a low power PC will probably be the better choice.
I also think that the difference between a Raspberry Pi and a small X86 board becomes smaller (price, power consumption, and speed). We will see how good the Pis can compete with the Intel ecosystem. This is another market...
It is worse than Intel right now. Look up N100. Total different league. It might look expensive, but everything is included, decent RAM and SSD. Those machines have lower idle and lower peak power use, but are 4-5 times as fast, and 10 times as fast when it comes to the GPU.
I'm happy to hear something new from you again. I've taken a similar route (used mini PC and proxmox) and I'm enjoying it. I would also like to add that I use bookstack for my documentation and I also installed pihole on it. I have an NVEm with 2 TB and an additional 2 TB SSD for data backup.
So your installation is much bigger than mine. My documentation is only small. Thanks to the internet, I did not have to buy new disks for a long time...
Nice video as always! I run the same setup on a Lenovo machine. I run my docker containers in a Linux Container, so they will have bare metal performance.
@NoProblem76
so you're running a Linux vm in proxmox and docker containers on that vm? Pretty cool. I'm building a 1u firewall for my rack and I'm thinking proxmox with pfsense and then migrating my various hardware installs to that. Currently it's all running on an i7 thin client. Want to wipe that and proxmox it to experiment with the high availability function of proxmox.
@@schrodingersmechanic7622 not a Linux VM, it's a Linux Container, its more efficient than a VM, you will have close to bare metal performance as if you're directly running docker in proxmox, yet the container still provide you with a layer of separation
Thanks Andreas, you’re an excellent mentor to us Makers. Your videos are always a great resource. 😊
Thank you for your kind words!
Spot on with your main point! The last new Pi I used for this purpose was my first HA install on a Pi 2B. I've been using various alternatives from old laptops, SFF, Synology, and cheap server hardware. It makes very little sense to go with a Pi for a new build if you spend 10 minutes researching your options, but many just don't spend the time.
It would be nice to see a better description of your remote radio station including what hadware/software/connectivity you have there that's connecting back to your main system.
I have a second channel for those topics…
RPI5 power consumption is barely more than RPI4. Also I use a rechargeable lithium battery and a converter so that I can store cheap electricity in the battery overnight and use that power to run my RPI4 for up to five days without having to use expensive day rate electricity. That takes the sting out of any power consumption concerns.
Impressive build.
Thanks for sharing your experience with All of us 👍😀
You are welcome!
impressive and inspiring!
Hi Andreas, i confirm! The transition from rPi to used pc and server hardware was enlightening
Thank you for the confirmation!
For my Homelab, I started with an AMD E350 old computer that I had laying around.
Now a couple of years later, after diving into this magic world, I run a server with Dual Xeon 2690v2, 128GB RAM, 40TB drives, a couple of NVMe 980Pros, and a couple of GPUs. Never looked back. I'm running everything on UNRAID.
So you definitively can show your installation to your friends ;-)
I had a pretty similar journey. First I had a Synology 4 bay nas, which i loved, and became the main media hub of my home with Plex. Then I started fiddling with home automation, for this I re-purposed an old Zotac machine with E-350 I bought a long time ago to my parents. For a time it was great, but I wanted more.
I built a decent computer for it (AMD 5700g, 16 gigs of ram, Define 7 case with 12+ drive bay, 4x4TB hdd, unraid), for virtualization, data backup, home automation and media center. But when the electric bills started to rise (the server used 60/70W idle), I changed tactics.
I kept the NAS for plex only (4x4 TB is sufficient for now, especially since I have streaming services too), I purchased a fanless zotac CI331 with N5100 for home assistant and always on stuff (this uses only 10-15W), and the large server went to S3 sleep for the 95% of the time, so in just 3-5 second, it can be ready, but usually it sleeps. And this is used only for data backup, virtualization, if I need.
@@magnificat_orig I went full server rack in the shed. I bought a Rosewill 4u long on rails. I am running a AMD Ryzen™ 9 7900 12-Core, 24-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor with a full ATX MB. With the Synology 8 bay it pulls 110 watt.
With California electric prices that's around a dollar a day. I think for all the "entertainment" value that's not too bad since I don't pay for any streaming services. I love the Rosewill on rails because I can pull it out and change the motherboard and CPU without a bunch of hassle.
I may change to a mini motherboard and a less powerful CPU and see if there is much difference in power use.
I love having Home Assistant and getting real time power draw of both the NAS and the server.
About the 27w of the pi5. Explaining Computers tested the consumption under load and it seems to be 6-7W, 1-2W more than the pi4, so the beefy psu is realisticly needed for external disks and usb devices.
I know. Still it is quickly approaching the 10 watts or less of a modern Intel mini PC.
Personally, I always wonder why people care about a watt or two difference and use their car for a short trip to the next shop ;-) But I am just an engineer...
This video comes with a perfect timing because 3 days ago finally arrived my Odroid H3+! 🤩
Have fun!
Awesome video Andreas, one of your best... but I need lots of time now to digest it! Fantastic help thank you, Professor!
Glad you liked the video. I made it also as a reference to come back when you do the installation
Thanks for this video. I have a few RPi servers/monitors running, some for a long time - PiHoles, ISP availability/speed monitor, etc. . Will be replacing them with VMs on two Proxmox servers. During the Pi4 drought, I had already switched to LePotato SBCs. Now switching to Proxmox seems like the better plan compared to RPi5.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Thanks for sharing knowledge! Interesting combination of virtual machines, automation, databases and user interfaces.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you very much. Several years ago, I reduced my Pi fleet to kind of "static" applications. My home automation system runs for some years now on refurbished quality Laptops. Maybe a little bit more expensive, but a different world and way less maintenance effort. The power consumption is not that much higher than a pi and the solar delivers - at least in summer. A one way route.
If I really can get awya with "static" I would either uae an old laptop or an office desktop. Habing to pay 8-10 bucks in electircity per year doesn't bother me that much.
I am not (yet) static ;-) If you have a look at the list of my VMs, you see that I recently added AREDN VMs (for HAM radio). And experimented a lot with VLANs recently. I agree that the laptop is a good combination of a mini PC, terminal, and UPS.
@@AndreasSpiess My home automation system (ioBroker) is also not static. It grows. But the Pi applications such as NUT server, Victron OS, Homematic are kind of static. Running and serving, but not really growing.
One of my home servers is an Elitedesk 800 G2, got it for free as "broken", turns out it had a corrupt BIOS and reflashing it fixed all the weird problems it was having. Against a Raspberry Pi 3+, the most notable difference was that it performs a lot better as a Tor gateway. I recall the idle power draw was about 15W and full load about 50W. I calculated it out and it turns out to be cheaper to offset the power use with solar panels instead of paying a lot more for newer hardware that's more efficient, even if it's running near full load most of the time.
Yea, "broken" sometimes is relative ;-) I think you were happy and got a good deal!
Thanks for sharing. I made the move sometime ago as the costs started to blow out.
And I hope, you did not regret it ;-)
Interesting, but I think I'll stick with my existing RPi4 server, It's low power, works, and just needs minimal maintenance now and then.
Never change a winning team!
There are many fanless x86 systems based on Intel N5105, N6005 or the newer N100. you get a tdp of 10W (6W for N100), M.2 NVMe, serial console, multiple 2.5 NICs, etc, in a tiny package at around 200 to 250 dollars and you get a future proof, flexible and multi purpose home server that will cover you for years... The argument for using an RPI as a home server becomes difficult to justify... but that is just my opinion :)
Picked up an HP EliteDesk 800 w 16G RAM and 256G SSD for slightly over 100€ - relatively low power usage (more than a RPi of course, but still). Running natively though, got a "big" VM server running in our DC, so it's just for local use. Upgraded from a RPi4 w/ 128G USB SSD, which ran perfectly for 2+ years ...
Did the same.HP EliteDesk G2 Tower with an i7-6700 - my first desktop ever. Added some more ram and now it's at 64 gigs. All in under 250 euros.
Thank you for sharing your configurations! It is always interesting also for other viewers...
Get a UPS!! I stopped using RPi's for serious projects at the Pi2 due to the unreliability of the sdcards with the PiHole project. I acquired a retiring HP MicroServer (190w) and never looked back. I did purchase a Pi3 for Octoprint, and a Pi4 for RTL stuff, but everything else is a vm now. No need for the 5
You can use ssd instead of sd cards
@@Flamechr did you read.. "at the Pi2 due to the unreliability of the sdcards" he moved away from Pi's because at the time they only used SD cards, there is zero sense moving backwards now because you can hook up an SSD to a Pi4.
Similar here: A Pi3 for Octoprint and a Pi4 for a SDR receiver on the roof...
Something you might want to look at is the FT232H USB board with your Homelab. It is a breakout board with GPIO, I2C, SPI and UART as if it were a physical Raspberry Pi.
A good idea if you want to have GPIOs on your Homelab. As said in the video, my GPIOs are not needed where my server stands. This is why I use microcontrollers for sensors (and GPOIs) connected via Wi-Fi or Ethernet.
FT232H USB seems nice but in my country it costs around 1/3 of RPi itself which is quite high. However, it's again 1/3 of my local price when checking China famous shop so that's a good price point. Thanks for your comment, saving that board for later :)
I swapped from RaspberryPi to used ThinkCentre M700 couple years back and never looked back. I have couple of them running 24/7 with no issues for around 2 years now. I am measuring around 11W power usage for each. I swapped from RPi when my InfluxDB completely shredded my SD card.
Thank you for sharing your experience!
You're using a very similar setup to me on your homelab. I'm using an old i5-6600K and 32GB RAM. I do have the advantage though of also running a RPi3 and RPi4 from my solar shed electronics workshop that run all my DNS filtering for free. Its all great fun and I'd encourage anyone with a love of electronics and computing to get a solar shed set up!
I agree about solar. We have a bit a bigger setup for the whole house...
very cool , i like these ideas thx for the overview!
You are welcome!
Already preordered Pi5/8G 💪😎
Hopefully, you will get it soon!
For the "cheat sheet" i use my password manager. All necessary stuff in there, except for IP and MAC Addresses, which i store in a spread sheet.
And the speed is the fun part. My low end thin clients even need less power than a PI-4.
But the reason not to stay with the PIs for me is mainly the defect rate of the PI-3s and PI-4s.
I am looking forward to a not so thin client with an i-7 and trying proxmox as well in the future...
I agree with the quality issues. Currently, I have 2 Pi4 boards with defective PMIC chips. Not easy to change because of the double sided and crowded PCB.
For years, I was running my VM host on the skeleton of an old laptop, without screen, keyboard, harddisk, wifi-card. It booted from a USB stick and storage was on my NAS, via NFS. Now, I'm running the VMs on my new NAS. The only Raspberries I continuously use are: a USB-over-IP + 2nd pihole server, and one for utility metering and a few wired sensors and switches in that area. The 3rd Raspberry runs OctoPrint and is only powered when my 3D printer is on.
Broken laptops are also an excellent VM-host-hardware source. Usually the USBC-ports break. Or the screen. A VM host doesn't need a screen. We just connect a VGA or HDMI screen during setup. And without USBC, we can power the board by soldering wires to its main power rail and ground.
I agree, laptops are a good choice, too. Particularly, if the battery can be used as a "UPS"
Problem with old laptops is inability to upgrade ram, especially old macbooks. I guess the memory address bus is not wide enough.
I have a different point of view. I look at my home assistant as a production machine. It only runs home assistant and the related add-ons. It stays in my wiring closet and focuses on its one task. I have a home lab PC that I use for a great many things with docker, but I prefer to keep my home assistant clean and separate and plugging away without concern.
Also a good setup!
Great video as usual! Just wanted to note that someone on github made a UEFI boot loader for the Pi5. It’s still work in progress, but it’s getting there. It allows you to run Proxmox. The Pi5 CPU performance (Passmark ~8,000) is between an intel n100 & i3-n305, though you are limited to 8 GB of ram and a single PCIe3 lane for the SSD (~900MB/s read).
I saw it too. Interesting. But 8GB is extremely limiting. Even the 16GB I have are not too much…
The main selling point of the pi is it's versatility.
I use my pi as my portable retro-gaming powerhouse, before that was making cool time-lapses with some automatic video-processing and before that was running octopi.
You bring a fair point, some users might need something different, but having a simple, reliable and "cheap" machine that I can carry around, abuse, and eventually replace with the same familiarity and support I came to expect from them is something very valuable to me and many.
The last thing I want to do with my very little free time is think about virtualisation, I had enough during my IT days 😅 I want simple and physical.
nobody said you should run multiple VMs, you could always run a setup like on RPI.
The initial idea with rpi zero was good, a very small device capable of running linux, but it seems they slowly lose their direction by making devices that tend to compete with full-fledged desktops, while offering lower specs and versatility, higher prices and a business model where you cannot use the devices for anything useful if you don't buy them in big bulks.
I agree that the Pi is a versatile board (I use it in several projects). This video is focused on using it as a Home Automation Server (one of the clear focus areas of the faster Pi5)
The Pi 5 is the worst machine for retro-gaming. Only the Pi 2 was worth it when it came out, for a short time of maybe 3 years. The Pi 5 is seriously bad value for money, slow compared to the peers and way too hot with its old fab process. Intel is owning this retro gaming area in 2023 with their N100 line. If the N100 is too expensive, go for yesteryears thin clients for example by Fujitsu. Those 4 core i3 models are on 14nm with proper GPU, power supply built in, 2x as fast as a Pi5, same power use on average and only 60€. With 8GB and 256GB SSD! I seriously can't think of any reason to get a new Pi right now. Go ahead, and make good use of the ones you have lying around, but the new ones are very bad value/specs in the 2023 arena. Maybe for some the compute module/zero is useful for say robotics, but good luck finding those.
@@2kBofFun if the pi4 is good enough for me I’m sure the pi5 will be better when supported.
I use batocera with 8bitdo arcade sticks.
@@Adrian_Galilea We did not even talk software. RetroPie is a rabit hole.....
I have an N100 with two network ports. 8W power consumption. This can run all the above. I run lxd and only containers for mqtt, nodered, technitium (which can use the flakey php pihole blocklists), influx and caddy for full https.
All with the same power consumption as one raspi.
8G box cost me 260 AUD with 512G SSD. 4 cores. Blows a raspi away, but this is replacing 10 of them.
That is close to an ideal setup! It seems the N100 is a very good choice for this purpose!
Which board did you get, I'm a bit hesitant in getting a board from Ali express, as they are "work mostly but not always" ?
I know they do not exist, but it would be nice to get one with either vPro Enterprise or IPMI.
@@casperghst42 The N100 definitely does not have SMX. It does have VMX. It's not an enterprise CPU. I use non KVM LXD containers so I don't even use VMX. This is a replacement for a rack of raspberryPis only.
I got the 8G TEKXDD (that's since been repurposed as an ocotoprint/klipper server) and then a 16G T9 Mini.
The TEKDD does not have power on to S1, so it won't automatically start on a power up after a power failure. The T9 will. It's also 1/3 the size as well as having an nvme disk slot.
@@originalmianos I know that the N100 isn't an enterprise CPU, but as some of the i5's have vPro Enterprise (got an older NUC i5 with iKVM), then it would have been nice if they would have made a line of the N100, N200 and N305 with vPro Enterprise just to make people like me happy (I can always dream).
Thanks.
@@casperghst42I'd get a minisforum for a proper home vSphere server. They have i9 and high end Rizen CPUs in a similar form factor. They cost a lot more though.
Excellent. Just what I was looking for. Many thanks.
Glad it helped!
I really like your videos, Andreas, and they come at the right time for me :D. Fortunately, I got another new SFF PC "SER5 Rizen7 5800H + 32GB RAM" This is a beast PC, it's time to try all your VMs. I have migrated all my VMs from my old HP G3 SFF PC and they work fine.
BTW, @13:16 I noticed that you can add notes for each VM. Just go to your VM and open the summary page, then you will find the notes, you can add all the notes you want including the login credentials and the IPs :D.
Good idea with the credentials in the comments
Was considering switching from Rpi4 to a PC based system, but the Rpi5 got me confused. This video cleared it all up, and I am now sure the PC route is the right path.
Seems a lot has happened with the influx and I need to put some consideration into the naming of devices and measurements. Maybe you have done a video on that topic with mqtt and Influx 2 as the context, and I have missed out, if not then I would like to suggest such a video.
Questions like: should you focus on devices or locations. How to handle multiple devices with different sensors in the same location?
What if a device is changed in a location but most or all measurements are the same etc..
I am no Influx specialist. I use a bucket per "domain" (Huawei, Weather, etc). The rest does not seem too problematic as you can adjust your queries to how you recorded the data. Maybe there are performance considerations. But for IOT, I only have very small data volumes (comparted to other applications).
Don't be fooled by someone with a vested interest trying to put you off of someone else's product. Look at what the RPI5 is capable of already in it's Beta format. Mindblowing. You can barely get that kind of performance out of anything else at the same price. It's nearest SBC rivals are up to twice the price and very few platforms get the same level of support. And just like my old favourite the Commodore Amiga the RPI can run software from Mac and Windows so (depending on which software you favour) you don't even need to miss out on PC based programs. Even on my RPI4 I can run Steam games and software, so you don't miss out on that either.
Good morning. As always a great video; clear and exhaustive. I ordered the ZimaBoard 832 server these days. What do you think, can I do what you explained about this too?
I am not sure where these Zimaboards fit. Similar pricing than small PCs, but not enough space for the disk and slower CPUS. I prefer a "one box" solution...
Great video, thank you.
Glad you liked it!
Yeah, during the shortage I replaced pretty much all of my Pi's with two NUC-like boxes that run Proxmox. I use some VMs but a lot of what I run is in docker containers (always with docker-compose).
Also a good solution (as IOTstack shows)...
I always looked at the Pi and other SBC's for makers or hobbyists who like to experiment using the gpio pins.
Me too. But in the recent years, a new hobby evolved that includes one level higher with servers and networks. A perfect combination with the lower level GPIO stuff...
I had just finished watching your video using RemoteXY and I have to say that all of your videos are super helpful and informative. Your remotexy video helped a lot with my project. Since I am new to using arduino's and esp32's this was really helpful with unlocking the Bluetooth potential with my esp32. I tried using the remotexy app and it worked really easily with controlling led lights but I also included a circular bar and I can't figure out how to make it so that the bar updates its value based on RSSI readings from the phone to create a bar that can show me how far away my esp32 is. Could you help me with this? Also is it possible to make an led blink on and off a couple times when a push button is pressed because as of now, it just turns on and then off. Thanks so much.
Unfortunately, I aslo do not know how this is done :-(
It's a good idea.
I've been running a homelab on my previous desktop PC (motherboard repackaged into a smaller case) and it's great. Even runs my router. Started off with ESXi but eventually moved over to Proxmox because it's simpler, cheaper, and works just as well.
Thank you for sharing your experience. Moving the router is a very brave step ;-)
I will definitely buy one, it's a fast mini pc., i have 2 Gigabyte brix core i7 at home and could use one of them to do this , is now use ESXI but the machine takes 60 watts and i switch it off when not needed
This is why I separated all 24/7 tasks from my "video" machine. It consumes around 400 watts including all periphery and is switched off when not used, too.
Thanks a lot for this very interesting (as usual...) video. I have a question : i installed HA on a Proxmox machine. it works great. But i never used IOT Stack (i think that it is a very very good idea to separate HA from the IOT sensors) . Is it to late to install it in my actual configuration ? Thans a lot again for your nice work !!
You should be able to download and install my IOTstack VM on your Proxmox server to play around with it...
Also running an ever evolving homelab using Proxmox, HomeAssistantOS, various VMs, and docker on a small form factor PCs and Pis. Welcome to the ecosystem and can't wait to see what you find!
I thought, that "Homelab" is a new part of our hobby. So I wanted to make an introduction to may viewers...
Great video and great channel!
Thank you very much!
Thanks! That's what I did, bought small refurb i7 PC, 32GB ddr4 and I am using it as zfs based home server with intention to do exactly the way you did it with home assistant. So you simplified my next steps. Thank you. But in my home automation I stiil missing cameras to observe/record events at house surroundings. Do you have any intention to add video surveillance to the system?
Thank you for your support!
For the moment, cameras have no priority for me. But it should be possible to integrate them into HA (I saw a few examples on TH-cam)
Interesting approach. Have you considered using the pc’s lpt/parallel printer port for sensor input, many of the boards have the headers on the motherboard even if the pc doesn’t a physical port and there are Linux libraries for using them as signal inputs. Should be able to link specific pairs to specific VM’s in the same way you linked the usb port.
Excellent video, as you can see above I’ve been pondering such a use, have 100 or so ex rental small factor pc’s which I need to put to use!!
LPT/parallel ports (and even headers) are not terribly common these days. There are USB-GPIO adapters from Adafruit and others, if you really need direct attached GPIO to a PC. But imho Andreas's architecture is to have sensors run by microcontrollers with tasmota or whatever firmware, then send the data over a network to the home lab where there is the "brain" of the operation in a virtual machine.
As said in the video, I have no need for sensors connected to my Homelab. Using the LPT port as GPIOs should be possible. But I did not see one in a long time...
@@marcogenovesi8570 I still see serial headers commonly but LPT is effectively gone.
@@chaos.corner Yeah, that's because RS-232 serial ports are still very much alive for industry and automation, and motherboard developers need a serial console for debugging anyway so they might as well have that.
LPT is just dead, nothing using it has been produced in 20 years, it's only legacy hardware.
@@marcogenovesi8570 That was what I figured. Came in handy when I was installing Windows without usb3.0 drivers on a motherboard with no PS2 port. Had a serial mouse hanging around and that let me bring up a virtual keyboard which allowed me to get to the driver installation.
I fully agree with you! I initially tried running Home Assistant on a Pi 3 (the fastest available back in those days) and it was horribly slow. The only thing I'm wondering about is the power consumption, I've got no clue how they compare to raspberry pis in practice since power usage is highly variable depending on CPU load. An old laptop is a perfect solution for a low power server though, they use very little power, are generally quiet and take up very little space.
HomeAssistant is pretty awful even before docker eats all the resources on a pi3
I run HA in a Pi 2B and it's fine for controlling lights and switches and things like that. The UI is pretty snappy and my devices work without lag. Sure, it takes a while for EspHome to compile device firmwares but I can do that on my computer if I really need it to be fast, which I don't. So I'm assuming a Pi 3 would be even better as a HA server.
@@matt.604 I think it depends on what you're running on it. My zwave network was noticably slow with the Pi (i.e. taking multiple seconds to respond to a motion sensor). But I'm the first to admit that my home automation network is far too complex for a Pi to handle so I'm not the best example perhaps. I just did a quick count and I've got 26 integrations, 80 automations, 67 lights, 97 switches, 306 binary sensors, 5928 sensors... I might need to prune a bit
I've been running HA on a PI3 for years, not noticed any speed issues with my setup. I agree that using an old laptop makes sense for something more complex.
Why are people on here comparing performance with old Raspberry Pis? Each generation is significantly faster than the next. The RPI 4 is way more capable than the RPI3 and the RPI5 is way faster again. The power consumption hardly rises in normal use and the cost stays about the same too. I've owned RPI 2, 3, and 4 and the improvements are very notable. It is my main computer and does everything I want and need to do unless I have to run very OS specific software on a Windows machine. Most of the tasks that the RPIs were made famous for work very well on every model I've owned. You can upgrade if you absolutely need the extra power and/or memory or if you simply want to stick with RPI when you decide to branch out into new areas of computing. There is almost nothing beyond the capabilities of an RPI. I even run KdenLive, GIMP and Blender on my RPI 4. And programs like that will only be even more capable on RPI5.
I feel like Pis have for a long time only really filled a few small niches, mainly as an in between of PC and MCU. The cheap price is mainly what made it so good.
You have a project that needs more power than an MCU can handle but with MCU I/O or an easy direct connection to an MCU for PC, then the Pi worked well.
Otherwise, my personal favorite attempt was to try and use them for cheap media centers.
However, with the price going up it seems like it'd be better for other solutions to fill in for the I/O - USB device with fast GPIO would be great.
Also compared to other solutions for the media PC it seems better to just get an x86 miniPC like you suggested - x86 = more compatibility, more processing power, etc.
For me, Linux with all its possibilities was also a deciding factor. If I wanted a good user interface or a database, I went with a Pi. For the rest, ESP32 wirelessly connected to the Pi.
13:26 for passwords, even if it's home lab, and not accessible from outside, I would recommend using a password manager. Storing any password in plain text seems wrong to me.
Yeah, and don't use Lastpass, but own hosted truecrypt server ;)
Also the use of throwaway passwords like admin or 123456 is also a bad habit (and I'm also guilty of having used them in the past). The intention is always the same, to change them before a system goes live. But the reality is, they get forgotten. Just use good passwords from start and of course a different one for each system. It's no problem with a password manager (even a piece of paper in your pocket is better then a file on a computer or something well known as 123456).
@@harvaldi Truecrypt was discontinued in 2014
@@marcogenovesi8570 Sorry, I meant Keepass or it's clones.
I made a risk analysis and felt, that the home automation data are not security relevant for me. So I do not protect them the same way as the login to my bank account ;-)
But maybe I am wrong...
I agree with you that the RPi 5 is a disappointment. The Pi Foundation has left the education and maker communities in the dust, seeking instead to target Windows users. Just look at the number of RPi 5 reviews that talk about the desktop. No one seems interested in hooking up stuff to the GPIO or learning system internals. Now it's all about performance of graphics or if you can turn it into a NAS. (Sorry, Jeff Geerling.) I guess that it could be argued that the low cost, low-end space is occupied by the RPi Zero 2 and Pico, but the shift in the target audience for RPi 5 is noticeable. The fact that it requires more power and active cooling is awful. Fans that collect dust and have bearings that fail are so 1980s. So no RPi 5 for me for now
Geerling is an entertainer, not an engineer. I stopped subscribing to him a couple of years ago because I am interested in practical solutions to real world computing problems, not trying to add 100 hard drives to a Pi. But it's his channel, he can do what he likes and if shilling for views needs to create an income for him then so be it - I just don't have to be involved in that.
I don't necessarily agree that the Pi is a "disappointment" but, as an engineer and a maker, it is simply one more platform that I can think of using when building solutions. The fact is, there are also Banana / Orange / Nano Pi's out there too, plus with the Microsoft zombies rushing to upgrade to Windows 11 and dumping their old hardware on eBay, there's a huge number of cheap SFF PCs with 3rd or 4th generation Core i5 or i7 CPUs in them that can be bought for the same price as a Pi. (Yes, Jeff Geerling, you might want to check out something called a "PC" that already has a built in and powered PCI-E slot for that GPU of yours!)
The Raspberry Pi is an anomaly. It has a fantastic support community around it and has become almost a "consumer grade" device - anything you want to do with it, someone will have made a step-by-step video for it. But that's not the case for other SBCs where the real engineers live because we have to "tinker" with such boards and go much deeper into their architecture to get them to do what we need to - but that's part of the fun we get from doing it.
The opposite of "engineer" is "fanboy". Engineers choose the best hardware and software components for a solution from a wide range of options, but a "fanboy" is stuck to one brand of item, either because of some silly emotional attachment or because of lack of knowledge and experience.
The Raspberry Pi community has a huge number of fanboys, so when a new Pi comes out they have to rave about it because that is all they know how to use. For proper engineers like us, it's just another option to consider when we put together components to build something.
Excactly this. I've got every Pi in the house and feel no need to purchase a RPi5. I would rather have an updated Pi3 or Pi4. New lower power consumption, USB-C, Wifi 2.4 and 5.0GHz and BT5.x. It's trying to compete a market which has been there for a couple of years now and which is years ahead of it in performance. I've seen plenty of small Intel pc's with a nvme drive in them, full hdmi etc etc that fit in the palm of your hand that cost less than a 8GB Pi5 with a housing ..... that still has no drive or extension boards.
I too agree with you. I wanted more than 3 serial ports and I was waiting if RPI5 would change it's design but that didn't happen. Instead we are given some 💩
Geerling is not an engineer? That's not true. He's been an active open source contributor to the Drupal CMS software community. He's authored a book about using Ansible.
It all depends on the what the market demands. If most of their demand comes from users who use Raspberry Pi as mini PCs, NAS or Media Center PCs. Then they'll start catering towards improving that aspect of their product. When the first Raspberry Pi came out, I bought and used it with LibreElec. While it was slow but it was cheap and fulfilled my purpose.
Nicely Done ... Thank You for sharing .. Cheers :)
You are welcome!
Andreas - thanks for planting the idea in my head. Now i have to talk myself out of it again. ;-)
Not worth the effort to talk you out. Just go with it ;-)
it is nice if there is another 1 more mini pc and set up in proxmox as cluster mode and configure any important VM or CT into High Availability that replicate to the other node, in case one mini pc goes down, those vm and ct that you set up in high availability mode will auto migrate to the other node.
I still struggle with a cluster setup because I did not have hardware issues for years. But I had lots of issues when complexity got "over my head". So, in my case, a cluster most probable would create more outages ;-)
Excellent! Great, usefull and awesome. All at the same time!
Thank you for your continued support of the channel!
Of course! It's entertaining and quite often a recap of things that I (almost) forgot. Even the older videos are still inspiring and great for reviewing! Keep it coming.... ;-)@@AndreasSpiess
I agree 100%
:-)
Those all-in-one second- hand "PC's" are total win! I7, PCIe M.2, regular SATA and 64G ram max (ibm something in my case, vesa mount to put it behind the monitor was included;)
Maybe it has to do with the HW requirements of Windows 11...
@@AndreasSpiess
Possible, or rigid standard of big corporations for hardware renewal cycle. Mine came with win10 installed and updated automatically to win11 - only piece of hardware in my home that is capable. And i run linux server on it ..
Hi Andreas, did you upgrade proxmox to 8? May be a video on up keeping the proxmox version and your best practices
Yes, I upgraded. It was a non-event. So nothing for a video ;-)
I went with the original adapter, I'm watching this on a pi5 with Ubuntu, I love this thing. its my other daily driver now! Note: I overclocked it to 2800, GPU to 1000 and used active cooler. stable so far for a week!
Lets hope it will survive your overclocking!
I was sometimes thinking about to migrate my serval pis in promox and your video may be the trigger to saddle up, but I wonder if all Vms share the same IP of the host network interface and how I differ them later in the network?
Every VM gets one or more independent network adapters with a unique MAC address and therefore, also an IP.
You may want to swap Influxdb with postgres//timescaledb. Of course a running system is a running system. Postgres gives you standard sql, timescaledb the time series db functionality. InfluxData has again switched their query language and it is not clear to me what they will do with flux (no updates since long), influxdb3 is using something different, iox.
I am not happy with influxDB, I only started it because it was used by many others and I got instructional videos...
But their documentation is overly complex. So we will see what happens with the version 3 and if I have to change...
@@AndreasSpiess agreed. Since I switched to the Grafana/postgres/timescale combo, thanks to @volkovlabs at www.youtube.com/@volkovlabs/community
things got much easier for me. It's a great channel - content and presentation wise - around Grafana (and IOT). InfluxData have changed horses (query language and major architecture) for the third time. Now its simple SQL, standard tables - much simpler for my project.
Nice. I switched my setup half a year ago to 2 old refurbished laptops, installed proxmox as a cluster with an older raspi as a quorum device. I had to deal with a debian based docker installation in a vm, a Home assistant vm, a pihole and an openvpn. The HA and the docker environment are crucial, so I made them High available, which works quite nice even without having a central storage solution. The laptops are my first choice over old PCs, since they come with kind of in built-in "UPS". The pihole is now an LXC instead of a true VM, which has advantages in terms of resource consumption. And I share your opinion, I would not recommend to install many addons in HA, only those who are truly needed. This is why I have this second docker environment, where I run all the other stuff like grafana and co. This has advantages of something breaks, and makes my HA installation less "important" for my home network
Nice setup! I still hesitate to go for a cluster, because I had no hardware issues for years. But I had lots of what I call „ complexity issues“ ( mainly caused by me). So I fear the cluster would be a step back in my situation…
But maybe I will try it for fun.
Welcome to the exclusive homelab club :)
HA is great for being able to do certain maintenance tasks without downtime. It is the effort to get it to work properly that is usually causing more downtime than it will prevent in the future. For failures, I'm just taking care that I have replacement hardware on site and that I have good backups.
Thank you.
You're welcome!
I upgraded to a full home server running Proxmox. The compile times of Esphome was too long for even my HP Elitedesk mini. It would take 10 min. to compile now it's 30 seconds. I run Home Assistant, my webpage, and Jellyfin. Although I haven't been able to port metadata to Jellyfin.
It's burning 110 watts for the server and Synology 8 bay but I can run all the VMs I want. I need a lot more information about Proxmox. I have the manual but pass through, storage, mounting drives can get confusing.
I agree that Proxmox has a lot of capabilities. I only scratch at the surface for my purpose. Recently, I had to add two additional network adapters with different nets and VLANS. Fortunately, I had help. And now I know a bit more... A lot is try and error.
@@AndreasSpiess Me too. It's a rabbit hole but Home Assistant has been rock solid and Jellyfin is working well although It's not getting the metadata. I ping the Debian server and it connects but I am not getting it to Jellyfin.
I haven't even started in creating VLANS to separate the IOT, mostly the Alexa internet based stuff, from the other parts of the LAN.
It looks like we have both got suck more into the networking stuff! 😁
Never had much luck in installation of Proxmox, but I will give it another go, maybe it's an updated ISO
the Huawei solar thing, is that connected on USB on Proxmox to serial bus on the inverter.
I use the WLAN version for my SUN/LUNA2000 setup... I never used Serial, just USB.
A HP Thin Client + FreeBSD & Jails has been the 'lab' for quite a few years now.
Thank you for sharing your setup!
Just ordered a Ryzen 8 core mini pc for my development machine and the gigabyte brix pro core i7 i am going to use for proxmox and replacing my ESXI server
I separated the 24/7 stuff from my (powerful) development (and video) machine. Because my "real" machine consumes quite some electricity and goes dark whenever not used.
Hi @Andreas, at 11:06; you say you connect sensors and switches directly to homelab, but i was wondering how do you make the zerotier tunnel without a rasperby (or any other device) ? is you router there capable of doing it ? i have a similair use case (the house of my mom), i would like to add a few sensors there, use an old rapsberry 2 with only a tailscale subnet to all sensors to comunicate with my HA. So i was wondering how you could do that "without extra hardware" ?(i checked tailscale integration into esp32 but it does seem to be ok yet)
Yes, my router does the Zerotier connection. I showed it in a video on my second channel).
Used laptops. Most of them have a battery that can be used for safe shutdown, a gigabit Ethernet port and a screen that can be used for troubleshooting or as a live view for security cameras. Mini PCs limit you in the same aspects, laptop processor, poor expansion and limited storage IO.
Used PCs work best. No technical constraints. Just find corner in the home to put small rack and that's it.
I agree, laptops have the advantage of a built-in "UPS"
@@D9ID9I Used PCs usually require more power to run, a laptop is a good compromise, and it comes with a screen which can be good thing for beginners. Sure, if you need to raid disks for storage of something more compute intensive then grab a used PC, no question that that will be the best option. Andreas content is usually geared towards IoT, not video transcoding or compute heavy stuff, hence why I would recommend a used laptop instead of a desktop.
@@user-hk3ej4hk7m desktop and laptop pc's have same performance/watt ratio. laptops just limited in power but not more power efficient. and you can extend desktop pc with something like cheap 10Gbit card or gpu for some AI work. you can't do that to laptop. you don't need screen on a server most of the time because there is a remote access. only if you reinstall os once in a century or troubleshoot booting.
@@D9ID9I Not true, performance/watt depends a lot on the workload, it's not a constant factor for the same % of system utilization. A laptop is way more efficient for what would be considered a "light" workload compared to a desktop system. Even PSUs themselves have an efficiency curve that favors a high to mid level workload (% of rated output power). If you're going to be running esphome, homeassistant, node red and other lightweight vms or containers (again, based on the content of the channel), then your main concern is RAM, any other oversized components are going to increase power consumption for no reason. 10Gbps rarely makes sense for what would be considered an IoT hub, you weren't going to use a RPi for anything more than that realistically.
However if you want to do video transcoding and use the system as a file server then 100%, go for a desktop. You can always get another system down the road and have some segmentation for stuff that's critical and stuff that's a nice to have. I'd personally rather have my light switches and automations work when I have to do maintenance on my media server.
Hey Andreas! Should I propose a video related to casaos and or portainer?
Great content as always! Thank you
Portainer is already included in IOTstack (and I understand its value). But what is in for me in casaos?
@@AndreasSpiess Actually I wanted to say that you could make a dedicated video related to portainer or casaos. The second one is actually user friendly portainer application. I am Sorry but English is not my native language
With used mini-pc's readily available for the cost of a pi and the extreme performance disparity between the 2 it's silly to consider a pi unless physical size and/or gpio are limiting.
Well, power consumption is not the same. Considering the consumption of a PC, that even when in IDLE it consumes a minimum of 15W, but probably 20 or more, to a Pi that consumes less than 5W, it's significant. Considering the energy prices nowadays using a PC to do basic stuff (such as a NAS) that can be done with a Pi to me is a waste of money.
@@alerighi The new firewall mini-PCs consume 6-10 watts. I just bought one (Intel N100) for £110 shipped (about $135). If you still really, really want to go the SBC route, the Orange Pi 5 only costs about $20 more than the Raspberry Pi 5 but has 8 cores, an M.2 slot for NVME SSDs, and uses a more efficient 8 nm process, as opposed to the RPi 5's 16 nm process. The OPi 5 uses under 1 watt at idle -- which would be most of the time if used for Home Assistant, for example. At UK's current exorbitant electricity prices of 30p per kWh, the cost of running an Orange Pi 5 would be £2.63 a year (about $3.30). The cost of running a mini-PC would be about 6 times more, or $13.15 per year more expensive (that's at UK electricity prices; in other places, like the US or Iceland, the difference would be much less). If 13 dollars (or less) a year is important to you, go ahead and use an underpowered computer for which the software choices are extremely limited. I think I'll stick with the mini-PC. (By the way, I also own an Orange Pi 5, but now I don't know what the heck to do with it.)
@root683 if you live in a place with high energy prices then power usage is a valid consideration. For me, running a 5W pi for a year is less than $4. A 40W mini pc would cost about $30 for a year. My desktop I-7 mini pc with SSD and 32GB RAM could easily do the work of a dozen Pi's with room to spare. Fully utilized, I'd be willing to bet the mini is still more efficient. In my use case, I'm accustomed to seeing 2000kwh to 4000kwh monthly bills thanks to the hot climate so I wouldn't be able to see any appreciable difference on my monthly bill
@@alerighi I have a intel N5095 mini pc, 16G ram + nvme ssd I use as an everyday linux mint desktop. The whole machine idles at 5W, uses 20W at full speed. I have another, a celeron J4105 used as a kodi media player that idles at 4W...
Hoi Andreas. Nice video, thank you very much.
You are welcome!
@AndreasSpiess i always tended towards a not too old pc with unraid, proxmoxx, vms, as main server for home thin clients.
for me, I bought a second hand i5 quad core Intel in a cute formfactor with PSU included ... It was a ThinkStation M93... cost $50 with a 240Gb SSD and 16GB RAM.
Good catch!
Good morning and wishing you a pleasant fall season!
Thank you for your video once again !
Thank you! The weather is excellent for the moment :-)
For my needs a I7 3770 with 16Gb RAM is perfect. I will probably only run RPI where space or power is limited. For my 3D printer i use Orange Pi Zero LTS instead (USB-A + EThernet).
Perfect setup if you ask me...
Good Pi5 alternatives but we still love Pi5 🙂
No problem! This video is only about home automation servers.
Well done!
Thanks!
Good points but the lack of gpio , size factor and a supply voltage over 5 - 12v also if your going to go that far you might as well run something that has spare pci slots and room for drives. Nice Video 👍
I only recommend it for a homelab (no GPIOs needed here because sensors are not where the server stands). For the rest, the Raspberries are good.
Beautiful presentation. I was looking over the Pi5 yesterday, and considering pre-order, but what's the point? I have been running Proxmox on a $129 Lenovo mini that consumes 12 watts at idle, upgraded to 32GB, and runs HAssOS, TrueNAS (running Plex), Ubuntu, and Kasm. Why would I need a pi? The Pi5 is so complicated that it is now just another SBC, It is way past an elementary educational tool. Thanks and 73's.
What kind of Lenovo mini do you run? Mine says it only supports 16GB...
@@AndreasSpiess Lenovo ThinkCenter M910Q Tiny. Actually, it is running 64GB. 2x32GB DDR4 SO DIMM. I saw someone say on a forum that it would work, so I gave it a try. I don't think the 710 will go over 16G. These older minis are great. We have bought several more at the company to set up ad-hoc VPN gateways to outside clients using Tailscale.
Very interesting, but I have to stick to Windows 10/11 due to specific software. Any way to use Hyper-V instead of ProxMox?
I have no experience with Hyper-V :-(
Low power has become my focus point. With the Raspberry I can do home automation for an average of about 2-3W power draw all inclusive. How much does your used PC draw?
If I remember ca. 10-15 W (for 8 VMs).
that PC is around 6w idle and 15w max. It can run 4-5 times more stuff than a raspberry though so it can be more efficient than a bunch of raspberries depending on what you want to do.
If orange or raspberry pi 5 is sufficient you will still use 1/3 of the power of the PC
@@marcogenovesi8570I read a lot of useful comments from you. Thank you.
I have bought a new(er) mini PC and it runs cool at about 4 Watt average over a day with only HA.
(Which is relatively low compared to most other things we use during the day)
I found my floor fan uses almost 3W just in standby for example, and 12~15 when on
I too went with few Lenovo tiny PCs(Lenovo name for that farm factor) and proxmox. I still have fwo raspberry pis in my docker swarm, but I am not planning to add anymore. I rather find a newer tiny pc and upgrade that way.
Thank you for sharing your experience!
I have 5 Raspberry Pis gathering dust in my desk... 1B, 2B, 3B, 4B, and Zero W. On the one hand, I'd like to get the 5 just to complete the set 😉 but since it will probably just gather dust as well, not sure if I'll bother.
I have a couple of 3bs and 4s in use. I am not sure where the 5 fits. Maybe for a mobile SDR receiver...
I personally use HP Microserver Gen8 - they're quite cheap, have 4x 3.5" HDD bays, 2x 1Gbps LAN ports and iLO. Unfortunately RAM is limited to 16GB (but ECC) and CPUs to 3rd Gen with LGA1155 (I use E3-1220 v2)
Indeed, the RAM limitation exists for many older small PCs. Fortunately, Proxmox "deduplicates" RAM. So if you add a second Debian server, it usually does not consume too much RAM...
@@AndreasSpiess even HP Microserver hasn't any redundancy inside, it's still a server grade hardware with iLO and ECC memory support.
I ‘down-graded’ my outside lights automation server from a Pi4b to a Pi Zero 2W. Everything works as it should.
I now have an 8Gb Pi4b that I haven’t got an immediate use for. I’m sure I’ll think of something.
I won’t be buying a Pi5 just yet. Clearly my original use case doesn’t need more speed. My next project will need the flexibility a Pi provides with physical I/O.
My ten year old laptop is a perfectly acceptable slow PC, I don’t need another one.
Just got the message that I should get my 3 Zero2W ordered in summer 2022... I think they are a good compromise for many projects.
Mini PC prices skyrocket again in 3, 2, 😂
But more seriously, documentation definitely! BTW this is why automation software is nice. If the automation itself is well documented :)
there is a lot of corporate mini PC surplus in the market, like A LOT
For me, automation only makes sense if I do things many times. Very rare in my chaotic lab. So a documentation with copy-paste commands is a good compromise ;-)
Thanks for the video. Can you recommend a device to replace a Pi 4B/2GB for a minimal server setup (mostly idle music server) but with a bit more value? With the following features: 1) GPIO not needed, 2) passive cooling so 100% silent, 3) as low power consumption as the Pi4 so around 3W idle, 4) comparably as fast Ethernet and usb ports, 5) price point similar to the Pi, 6) more RAM. Since you mention there are better alternatives out there I want to find a replacement. Used is not a problem, I guess Ebay resales is a good option? I am in Europe (EU). But which model? Thanks.
I do not know if such a low power replacement exists (other than other SBCs like the "BananaPi etc)
@@AndreasSpiessOK thank you! For me that is the deciding factor. Low power consumption = low cost. So the Raspberry Pi 4 - or an equivalent as you mention - is still the king in that area I guess. I am surprised there is not more competition in the area of hyper low power servers since rising electricity costs and environmental impact are such important themes nowadays. At least it is clear that the Pi 5 is a bit of a mistake since they created a hungrier and hotter device instead of the other way around.
because of esphome always take 30 minute to compile on raspberry pi 4 i decided to switch to x86
i installed home assistant os directly on a old celeron n5100 laptop with 32g internal sd card(emmc)
now esphome can compile within abt 3 minute from scratch and i can install some plugin
although the laptop is old and only have 4g of ram soldered to motherboard but it only cost $10 and have a built in ups so i considder it a sucess
it draws 15w nominal when running ha btw but for mains powered electronic power consumption is not really relevant anyways
I agree: Laptops are a good solution because of the built-in "UPC"...
I bought a micro pc and installed proxmox it’s great but i am stuck with migration my influxdb from my raspberry pi with iot stack to the iot stack on the VM
Hopefully it's as simple as a table(s) export, copying the files and then importing them into the new DB.. good luck!
If you talk about V1 to V1: Phill is working on his writeup. If it es V1 to V2: I did it (but did not write it down because it was a one-time exercise). Influx has some documentation. It is a huge difference, BTW.
I‘m using HP ThinClient t630. Draws ~7-8W when idle. 256 SSD and 32 GB Ram upgraded.
Cool. Very close to a Pi5...
@@AndreasSpiess I got them in tons (~100-150/year) here at my company. Benefits when leading the IT-Department 😁
@@MatzeMaulwurf Very good. I hope the rest of your job is also as much fun (I implemented SAP for a living and know quite a few CIOs ;-) ) The 32MB memory is very interesting. Most of the ones I saw say they can only be upgraded to 16G
@@AndreasSpiess the accept 2x16 out of specs. Standard at our Institute is 1x8. 32 works flawlessly. The SSD needs to be a mSATA, they are only available in consumer quality but also work since over 2 years in my proxmox-HA-cluster made out of two ThinClients without any issue. But there is not that much traffic on them. Backup are written on magnetic disk NAS.
Nice video i tried your vm but i cant get into portainer with the prowided user/admin
Same here, help Andreas ! :-)
Did you see my pinned comment about the keyboard? Y and Z are flipped on the Swiss German keyboard.
Before I buy any new such hardware. Wait until AFTER the 1st update or patch is out.
Plus a s Pi5 goes, other such items, cases or other are not out even though Pi5 itself is not out - yet.
Yes I'm an interested possible buyer of Pi5.
Good decision not to go with the first batch, I think...
Proxmox now supports tje Raspberry Pi too.
I use one for the server I run 24/7, to save a lot of energy.
You are right. I am just preparing a video about it ;-)
Yes i also bought a Micro PC so.much more practical ...Thankyou for the video
How do you control your Micro PCs GPIO? Which Micro PC? I would like to abandon the RPi but have yet to find a viable solution. Thanks!
I use microcontrollers (mostly ESP32 with WiFi) for all sensors and GPIO-related things in home automation. If you need GPIOs on the board, the Pi is the better choice (I use them for quite a few applications in this field. This video is about home automation servers
I also was searching for alternatives and finished with Orange Pi 5. It's also more powerful than RPi 5.
I do not know the Orange Pi 5. It is for sure a good product if you are happy with it.
@@AndreasSpiess Performance wise, it's a very impressive, but software is a bit behind. It was a perfect replacement for RPi 2, no any wiring updates were required.
These old recycled computers are indeed very useful as a headless server. I will stick to the old Pi4 aa long it's resources are still enough for an IoT server
Good choice!
Depending on your setup I have 2 reccomendations, a daily snapshot and you delete the snapshots older than 7d. but don't mistake snapshots for backups, it's just a time rewind button.
And don't ever buy a 19 inch server/rack equipment without listening to it first. much of the 19 inch equipment is datacenter oriented where noise is irrelevant. I bought an awesome 10gbit arista switch which i can't use cos it's louder than a 747 and whinier than my 3 year old niece. It went from awesome switch to future project for noctua swap.
I agree with hte noise. I use a HP server power supply for my 12V radios and discovered, that, if you do not pay attention, you get one that sounds like a starting jet ;-)
Sir, I agree with your choice for consolidation. off-the-shelf second hand pc hardware is cost effective..the PI5 is “Not great, not terrible”.. It is nice it has usb pd now.. fastest everything but still a fricking sd-card as storoge that are unbeliable awful ..it requiring active cooling will also turn people off...
I do not know for whom the Pi5 is designed. As you write, Makers do not like active cooling. For a home server, we have better choices. Maybe for commercial displays? Eben Upton mentioned, that their biggest market now is commercial, no more Makers.
My whole home automation (Node-RED, influx, grafana, pi-hole but no Home Assistant) for years runs on RPi 1 B+ 512MB (yes, first Pi) but uses heavily GPIO so changing it to a small PC means I would have to create/buy some kind of fake interface and tinker with it. It also uses probably much more power. It's not a straightforward replacement/alternative as many suggest.
I would never change a winning team!
@@AndreasSpiess well, I wouldn't call them that. If someone is not using GPIO at all, the switch to PC sounds very reasonable and I would probably done that a long time ago. As engineers we should pick the best tool for the job and not stick to one team. I'm happy that RPi5 has been released as now the price for RPi4 might lower to a reasonable level to finally do the switch from RPi1 ;-) while still have silent small board doing its job.
My initial thoughts on the new Pi 5 were similar to yours. IMO if you want a cheap desktop, go buy a used mini PC. If, on the other hand, you're into embedded stuff using the GPIO the processing power seems like overkill for most applications and therefore not worth the higher price. I'm sad to see that the Pi Foundation seems to be stepping away from their heritage with each new generation now.
The GPIO is the main reason. However, the flexibility of the Pi makes it great for rapid development and prototyping for proof of concept. Once you have that, it makes sense to move to cheaper, more available options (though it's often fine to start there too).
We might be at the point where it'd make way more sense to split the GPIO off the Pi.
It'd be much more useful to have something like it's I/O chip split off that could be plugged in via USB to any computer so you can use the GPIO on anything.
@@LanceThumping No. Those kind of solutions exist already. The direct IO is a large part of the appeal of the Pi. USB puts too much in the way between the CPU and the IO itself. It's brought a resurgence in homebrew hardware since the ISA bus was obsoleted.
@LanceThumping: I often use a MCU like the ESP32 when I need GPIOs (Linus is not very good for real-time) and connect it via WiFi to my Homelab.
This is nothing to do with the “Pi Foundation “. Using that name demonstrates how ignorant people are about this stuff.
I picked up a used 16gb 500gb SSD with fan and psu mini pc for cheaper than a pi 5. I now have a box of unused pi's.
Only change in pi5 is a faster CPU - something I don't need.
Last year, you could have sold them for a lot of money ;-)
Are you going to sell the rpi's?