No, it is not unfair, different Match, nothing to do one with the other. Both Sindhu and Marin should be penalyse. I do think that badmiton umpire are to soft. I do not a shit of badmiton, but I think the refereces should learn a bit from rugby refereces (not only badmiton but a lot of sport).
Giving umpire absolute authority is completely and utterly stupid. Umpires are not there to display power over players, they are there to ensure fainess. If players can challenge a line call, they should be able to challenge an umpire's decision too. The idea of not allowing players to challege umpire's decision makes umpires become arrogant, because they think they can play god. The tournament referee should be allowed to review slo-mo replay or hawkeye of ANY situation to judge the umpire's decision once per match.
@@AI-37 Better than umpires who do not/never have played at a somewhat competitive level - they have no real understanding of the game and may also be bad at judging if a line call is correct.
Another example why tournament referees are useless. What's surprising is this thing has been going on for too long. A lot of bad umpiring and poor decisions made worse when umpire calls cannot be reversed (even when there's a clear error). I'm also surprised this matter is not looked into and not improved by BWF, instead BWF is only interested in unnecessary changes like the point system.. Smh.
Tournament referees are managing the tournament, starting with 4-5 courts. They can't look at all courts, and may be too far away or otherwise occupied. It's not their job to oversee rallies. The service judge can support the umpire by indicating a fault or whatever, but the umpire may not see this, may decide differently, or the service judge might not indicate anything.
@@pauldodd2120 in case of the Japanese doubles team, the refree could have just asked for the replay and then see that they challenged straight away . Like the same replay of shown in the broadcast a thousand times, the fans,commentator could watch it , so why doesn't the refresh watch it. Sindhu's fault is z different thing which would be hard to judge for the referee , but this was just plain stupidity
I think that in these cases, when it is clear that there is a wrong decision by the umpire, the opponent in badminton who won the point should have the integrity to admit and tell the umpire that they should not get the point, and if that doesn't work have the respect to give the next point to the opponent. Similiar to how viktor axelsen gave that point to chou tien chen in a match. There is no honour in winning if you do not deserve it, and it is no victory either
You are right . Players are often told to display sportsmanship but a lot of players will not, not because they lack integrity but are fearful that their national associations will penalize them . You can see this in a lot of sports , esp. team sports . Coaches and managers are pressured to perform and they in turn pressure the players to win at all cost . The days of true sportsmanship is a rare sight and probably will disappear altogether when prize money and national pride are the priority .
Exactly, because they are playing the same game, n who knows what kind of refree comes and disturbs them in between afterwards, but returning the point is one of the respected thing an opponent should do
@@Purvil077 in a match between axelson and ctc, umpire gave point to axelson eventhough his racket touched the net while returning the shot against ctc. So for the next point axelson deliberately didnt return the shot to give point to ctc.
The Umpire was blind in Sindhu's case. Yamaguchi was not ready; she was delaying purposely to regain her breath. Sindhu was leading three points. The Umpire has gifted the match to Yamaguchi.
Just see match between Carolina Marin ( the worst mannered player) and Sindhu & even other players where refree didn't warn carolina for delay & screaming
I do wonder why bother having a tournament referee when all they do are just convincing the players and coaches to accept whatever decision the umpire made, even when it is clearly a misjudgement or not within the bounds of the rulebook. I love this sport but seeing moments like these are just... come on BWF.
How unfair to Sindhu, that point that the referee stole away from her could've meant that she advances to the next game, someone needs to have a talk with the umpire about doing his job correctly
That's what u get for delaying the game, even though the procedures are wrong(didn't show cards), the 1pt penalty she received is still justifiable imo
@@dx5784 No its not justifiable, the video clearly explains this. The umpire should have given a yellow card first before being able to give a red card for delaying. Delaying can't immediately become a point penalty. His only foreword was the verbal warning. In any case Yamaguchi wasn't getting ready and the umpire should have told both players to hurry.
I think Tournament reffere plays an important role during this situation, but they didn't do anything just came to court then they convince the player to play and this thing should be change in this sport (It's better reffere to see the replay of particular situation)
Why there is referre post if there is no power or importance in the match why don't badminton introduce a call like third umpire like in cricket or hockey
Bwf should really look on this matter, Sindhu's incident being the recent one makes us feel that there will always be monopoly amongst who the umpire wants, but the chief refree should have atleast gone through the replay or have seen in reverse the entire incident, but the bald old men came and said that the decision is already made, if so then what's the need of him, he could have guided whomsoever was wrong and if so then have corrected, but that hopeless creature did nothing and was of no use, similar like the umpire sir, bwf should really interfere and should take action.
Nah, I think Sindhu is indeed taking a long time to serve, even Yamaguchi look bored lol 😂 Also the Sindhu's case in the most not fatal in these video, her probability to win still much bigger than Yamaguchi at that time, but clearly Yamaguchi is better or Sindhu can't control her emotion
@@anthoniusbudkay8538 Ya ya our little Japanese princess Yamaguchi is feeling uncomfortable so that bald @sshole awarded one whole hard-earned point to her. Anyway, Sindhu won Singapore open the very next month🤣
First 2 cases seems to be influennced by personal grudge or external political. Most important question is whether WTF took any action against these dirty umpires, if not, then it is a bad message to everyone. I personally feel that the japanese girls shouldn't have shaken hands with the umpire after the match, they should have shown their displeasure where ever possible.
I see the majority of comments talking about the mistake made against Sindhu, which I completely agree with but I think the umpire denying Hawks Eye is far more serious
Normally the server get ready first, that's why especially in doubles you can see the receiver with their non racket hand up(indicating that they are not yet ready) the server is already in the serving position at this time.
They did, I dont know where your anger coming from without knowing facts. But the tournament apologized for the wrong decision and PV Sindhu accepted as incidents happen, even if it might have cost her the match.
@@sarveshkumar2683 hey man who is talking about this after 2 months.. I commented just after the match while the tournament authority apologized to Sindhu after 3 or 4 weeks... Don't talk like shit..
this is what you called rigged! especially sindhu vs akane. and for kevin’s match, I think the umpire needs another pair of glass. Apparently, 4 eyes isnt enough! Hope they lose their job!
Come on IBF, please provide very qualified umpires instead of half past six ones. How can Sindhu serve when her opponent was still walking about. She did not receive any yellow card earlier but was given a straight red. It just kills the moral of a player.
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in case of the Japanese doubles team, the refree could have just asked for the replay and then see that they challenged straight away . Like the same replay of shown in the broadcast a thousand times, the fans,commentator could watch it , so why doesn't the refresh watch it. Sindhu's fault is a different thing which would be hard to judge for the referee , but this was just plain stupidity
The points have given unfairly by the umpire..but to keep the sportsmanship the opponent could just hit the shuttle out after she got the points unfairly ....what a show of sportmenship ....gg
WBF allows China Umpires to umpire games where China players are playing . Question is ; who is going to watch the watchdogs ? The referees are and yes, they are just watching like all the other spectators but on free tickets .
You are right about the Kevin decision , maybe this will be a lesson for him to respect his opponents instead of treating the tournament as a platform for his training as a court jester after he retires from the game .
Well it's the most 'wrong' decision of that even makes sense. Umpire clearly knows he didn't hit anything and from the Rule's point of view it's still 100% bad umpiring
In the 1st case the umpire was clearly wrong. Akane Yamaguchi was not ready. OK, Sindhu should have served anyway, then it would be clear. It's possible to give a red card directly, e.g. when not ready to play after an interval and the umpire has called play.
sindhu serving before yamaguchi was ready would have only delayed the game as it would have been a let...Marin and Nadal are known to do that and it's not very sportsman like
@@harshpalani True, but it serves as a message to the umpire that Sindhu is ready but Yamaguchi is not. Sometimes that's needed. Anyway, Sindhu came to my club to train one evening before the year she played the Swiss International when she was 15 I think. She was really good natured. Sadly that was not the year that I umpires the women's singles final.
Actually, errors from chair umpire is happen in many sports. Rare to see this happen in Badminton, but in tennis I watched so many bad calls from both chair umpire and line judge. Badminton umpires are so lucky, the players are polite and submissive. While in tennis, angry moment can be brutal and destroyin.
@@GaryM67-71 Sometimes its about showing respect instead of throwing rackets and try to beat umpires with them. Marin have won a lot of titles but she doesnt have a class when it comes to playing badminton . Asian players know how to keep it classy. Asian players entertain you with their game and nor with their mouth . I am glad to be an asian.
@@AmanSingh-lw1ne You're just ignoring Kevin's antics, Lin Dan when he was young, the Chinese match fixing, the new Lee guy's behaviour. You hate Marin because she is the best of all time. Go away.
I think referees also need to be fined if caught misusing their powers knowing or unknowingly because... It's their job and they need to properly read the rules before coming. This need to be done because it is happening since long time.... Many players getting unfair calls because of such umpires
Loved the way the Japanese female doubles players handled the injustice. They didn't get angry, nor did they make a scene. They just laughed at the stupidity of the situation.
They actually should have done the opposite, that may have changed if they had just refused to play then and there and protested enough in social media and in interviews
It is hoped that the referee will no longer be applicable to other tournaments for taking a very unreasonable decision. His actions weakened the morale of the players especially Sindhu in this case. Using the wrong assertiveness on time. In this case he should have been more considerate and warned only.
What? A warning has already been given. Is that warning not "considerate" and not "only"? What's the point of a "warning" if no enforcement would follow?
@@GatorWinup ever heard of yellow cards? How can an umpire give penalty point without showing the red card? Even the badminton association of Asia apologised to Sindhu for this and you are still justifying it? Penalty points are given for bad behaviour and not 5 second delays
In case of pv Sindhu the umpire was totally wrong he want show the power or umpiring only he didn't see akane that she is not ready to play and he give the point penalty only showing the power of them self only that's not na good sigh for bwf the world is tacking so much interest in Badminton now but umpire like this show the totally unprofessionalism to world I hope bwf gonna tack some penalty action on that umpire a and masutomo umpire also
The referee is responsible for the overall management of the tournament, ensuring that the conditions conform to the rules, seeding, draws and matches schedules. Obviously a referee cannot overule an umpire except for a misinterpretation of a rule. The referee does not pay attention to each rally, especially if there are several courts in action.
@@pauldodd2120 Interesting then that the referee didn't tell the umpire he had misinterpreted the rules wrongly and was thus wrong to deny the japanese pair a hawkeye challenge. Just quickly watching a replay would have shown the pair had challenged immediately
@@TheDreamLeaf The referee and umpire are not allowed to decide from replays, unlike in football. So if the umpire makes a wrong decision based on what he/she saw, then the call stands.
@@pauldodd2120 If that's true, then all the hate against competition staff not reversing obviously wrong decisions needs to be redirected to the people who made this rule. I think it's unreasonable to expect humans to make correct first judgement calls 100% of the time. As this video clearly demonstrates
@@TheDreamLeaf Rules have to apply to all matches, including the majority without attended video. It's reasonable to say that umpires will make mistakes, just like players and spectators. Easy to be harsh when watching a collated collection of errors. Some umpires are better than others, and we also learn from our mistakes. Let the person who has never made a mistake complain.
Bwf gives umpire too much power to control the match. They thought in this way the match could process faster and it's better for broadcast. More sponsors may be got as a result. Not sure how it worked anyway, but umpires start to become the match god and the badminton Bible can't restrain them
Is there post-match review on umpires' decision quality? Even though it won't change preceding matches' outcome. It's for the sake of future matches and crowd's confidence on the sport's fairness.
Don't forget that BAC 2022 final XD repeatedly mistaking Zheng/Huang and Wang/Huang at the beginning of the match. I wonder where Badmintonasia found this guy who doesn't recognize #2 and #4 world best mix double. It's painful to watch that moment
Injustice done to PVS. Yamagucci was looking elsewhere when sindu was about release shuttle. Umpire and the Tournament judge were both wrong. Always Indians suffer.
I've heard about the rampant umpiring issues and rightfully so. The governing body need to do much better is controlling or dismissing renegade umpires as well as some of the players who have disciplinary problems, or the sport will never grow beyond what it is and will never grow in the other markets where they want growth. With regards to the umpiring and other ethics problems with badminton... there is an "elephant in the room" that needs to be recognized but I am not gonna be the one to raise it ;)
match sindhu ni sy ada tgk.. slalu rubber set permainan mmg suda slow,but this umpire kurg matang menentukn masa.. klau baru set 1 bolehla kata memperlambatkan permainan
International Badminton Body must study such issues and if the umpire/ referee is wrong he must not given that responsibility in future....Otherwise reputation of the body will get spoiled
In Sindhu's case, it was not a "point penalty," it's like calling losing a point due to an under-net service a "point penalty." No. That's simply a call of fault. Previously the news I read did not mention the warning. Here, it's clear, Sindhu has been warned. She was moving a lot before serving, attempting to show that she's not ready. Had she been still and waited for Yamaguchi to stand still, then there would be no delay on her part.
The umpire has to give Sindhu a yellow card first and only then can he deduct a point . A verbal warning , then a yellow card and then the point deduction , that's what I always thought, I could be wrong or the rules are made arbitrarily bu the umpires .
@@TheDreamLeaf Really? The comment started with "has to" -- I simply explained why the "has to" is not true. And that is an "aggressive response"? Dude, you are not qualified to be anyone's father or the seniority that you claimed to have. Baby.
@@GatorWinup "You shouldn't speak without references" (seeming air of condescension). "You are not qualified to be a dad." "You are not qualified to be a senior." "You are a baby". "I am not verbally aggressive at all" Ok buddy. I accept you believe that. I think otherwise 😊
@@TheDreamLeaf I think the video has been edited since I first watched it. 1. The umpire can give that point, there is the rule for delay the serve. However, in this instance he perhaps should have enforced it with a yellow/red card as the players had not taken up their serving/receiving positions. 2. Yes this scenario is a problem. It was a long time ago and has been corrected by bwf to not happen again. 3. The umpire genuinely thought a fault was made by Kevin. But had just made a mistake.
@@obi2213 I thought if a video is edited, it has to be taken down then re-uploaded, which removes all comments? Thanks for the info! Genuinely funny judge actually thought Kevin touched after such a massive delay 🤣🤣🤣 Any idea if judge took back the fault? Or was this another case of an obviously wrong decision not being reversed?
@@TheDreamLeaf Yeah I thought that was the case too, but I'm sure the video was much longer with a lot more text when I saw it first... 🤔 🤷♂ Yeah, but got to remember, the umpire has to make a split decision and he quite a few people at the time heard a 'flick on' but it must have come from somewhere else. Unfortunately the rules don't allow the umpire to take back a fault. Happy to help 😊
@@obi2213 Shame they can't take back a fault. I'm genuinely curious why this rule hasn't been addressed or removed considering situations like these occur. It would really suck for a world class badminton player to train so damn hard for years and years, only to lose a match purely due to obviously wrong calls like these
First one was rubbish. The opponent was also catching breath and was not ready, let em play dude and keep your ego out of the game. I guess he resided in that Indian girl's brain and she lost the game she was comfortably winning. NBA referees do the same at times and takes the fun from game away :(
Yes he forgot to put the cards in his pocket n lost his head in giving a point to Akane .however AY should have shown sportsmsn spirit to say she was not ready to receive the serve .but yes the Umpires wrongly erred n should be devarred from few matches
Unfair by the umpire but I don't understand why Sindu lost her momentum, she is world class badminton player and she should ready to handle any unusual situations... We have seen same situation many times in Tennis with game champions but they never lost their momentum...
its obvious you dont know shit about momentum, when you are on a winning streak its harder for the opponent to comeback as it adds pressure to the opponent thus breaking that winning streak or 'the momentum' is crucial to comeback also, you shouldn't blame her or any athelete in cases like these, you are not even a fraction of them and you dont know what its like to be in their shoes and saying shit like why wasnt she able to come back shes a world class badminton player is just dumb its the same as saying how did juventus lose they had ronaldo on their team
You are sitting and typing on a screen, making judgements on a situation you’re never going to experience. That’s the least impressive thing a person could do. Stop embarrassing yourself.
Apart from the Chair Umpire or Refree taking a review or call , off late the Umpires are biased on Indian players as seen and evident in the Asia Bad Tournament where PVS lost against AY .Further this is not the first , earlier PVS in a critical match / or stage if point was shown a yellow card , which made her loose her concentration to loose the match ...
Forget the rules for a moment... 😵 More time was lost when the controversial decision was made (Sindhu's case) 😒 😫 May be 😌 applying the rule he should have removed *all the points* earned in the set 😏 Nothing was lost by delayed serves (assuming she did it) (of course she had a valid reason - opponent player was not ready and moving) 😒 but more time was lost due to the Umpire... 😵 So his earnings should be deducted as penalty 😜😂
I’m an Indian and I agree with the umpire. She was simply taking too long to serve. If she showed intention to serve and the opponent was not ready, that’s different but there was no intention to serve. She was simply wasting time, maybe trying to catch her breath
its unfair how marin hardly ever got point penalty for delaying serves and multiple warnings , but sindhu got right after one warning
Oh my god seriously! This is all so unfair to Sindhu 😢
Some of these umpires are perfect assh.oles. They don't umpire the game but are there to show their authority at their whim and fancy.
jajaj another cryer detected...
Looks like PVS learnt some tactics from her Spanish friend. She not only delayed but also complained after being penalised. 😅😂
No, it is not unfair, different Match, nothing to do one with the other. Both Sindhu and Marin should be penalyse. I do think that badmiton umpire are to soft. I do not a shit of badmiton, but I think the refereces should learn a bit from rugby refereces (not only badmiton but a lot of sport).
Giving umpire absolute authority is completely and utterly stupid. Umpires are not there to display power over players, they are there to ensure fainess. If players can challenge a line call, they should be able to challenge an umpire's decision too. The idea of not allowing players to challege umpire's decision makes umpires become arrogant, because they think they can play god. The tournament referee should be allowed to review slo-mo replay or hawkeye of ANY situation to judge the umpire's decision once per match.
Most umpires are failed badminton players.
Should have filed a review to reprimand or suspend erring umpires and ban them permanently in joining tournaments such as this.
Umpair = under arm repair...
China vs Japan with China umpire in China open....so what do you expect...
@@AI-37 Better than umpires who do not/never have played at a somewhat competitive level - they have no real understanding of the game and may also be bad at judging if a line call is correct.
Sindhu is never known to play unfair. Even Yamaguchi was not ready. That umpire should have been banned for a year at least.
Not just for a year, for a lifetime
Another example why tournament referees are useless. What's surprising is this thing has been going on for too long. A lot of bad umpiring and poor decisions made worse when umpire calls cannot be reversed (even when there's a clear error). I'm also surprised this matter is not looked into and not improved by BWF, instead BWF is only interested in unnecessary changes like the point system.. Smh.
Tournament referees are managing the tournament, starting with 4-5 courts. They can't look at all courts, and may be too far away or otherwise occupied. It's not their job to oversee rallies. The service judge can support the umpire by indicating a fault or whatever, but the umpire may not see this, may decide differently, or the service judge might not indicate anything.
@@pauldodd2120 in case of the Japanese doubles team, the refree could have just asked for the replay and then see that they challenged straight away . Like the same replay of shown in the broadcast a thousand times, the fans,commentator could watch it , so why doesn't the refresh watch it. Sindhu's fault is z different thing which would be hard to judge for the referee , but this was just plain stupidity
There can be many like many improvement made in terms of decision making abilitites taken by the umpire
I think that in these cases, when it is clear that there is a wrong decision by the umpire, the opponent in badminton who won the point should have the integrity to admit and tell the umpire that they should not get the point, and if that doesn't work have the respect to give the next point to the opponent. Similiar to how viktor axelsen gave that point to chou tien chen in a match. There is no honour in winning if you do not deserve it, and it is no victory either
You are right . Players are often told to display sportsmanship but a lot of players will not, not because they lack integrity but are fearful that their national associations will penalize them .
You can see this in a lot of sports , esp. team sports .
Coaches and managers are pressured to perform and they in turn pressure the players to win at all cost .
The days of true sportsmanship is a rare sight and probably will disappear altogether when prize money and national pride are the priority .
Yes, can you share axelsen vs ctc you are talking about?
Exactly, because they are playing the same game, n who knows what kind of refree comes and disturbs them in between afterwards, but returning the point is one of the respected thing an opponent should do
@@Purvil077 in a match between axelson and ctc, umpire gave point to axelson eventhough his racket touched the net while returning the shot against ctc. So for the next point axelson deliberately didnt return the shot to give point to ctc.
Chinese? Na never. They want everything in their own way. They are the only ppl who fears losing.
The Umpire was blind in Sindhu's case. Yamaguchi was not ready; she was delaying purposely to regain her breath. Sindhu was leading three points. The Umpire has gifted the match to Yamaguchi.
Just see match between Carolina Marin ( the worst mannered player) and Sindhu & even other players where refree didn't warn carolina for delay & screaming
umpire’s decision against the sindhu literally boiled my blood.,. umpire’s should be held responsible for unfair play in both the cases
Seems like That umpire is a sick mentaled person
I do wonder why bother having a tournament referee when all they do are just convincing the players and coaches to accept whatever decision the umpire made, even when it is clearly a misjudgement or not within the bounds of the rulebook. I love this sport but seeing moments like these are just... come on BWF.
True...
I am sure the Ref has access to the broadcast feed...
Dude the match was in China, and japan was asking hawkeye against China in China...DO you really think they will provide it?
@@sanskritir.r.1354 What???.. Kehna kya chahte ho?
@@jidneshmadhavi7533 sorry typing mistake ho gyi...Chhod rehne do...
I was just saying that it's their right to ask for Hawkeye...
@@sanskritir.r.1354 Yes I know th rule mate, that's what they did, but the tournament is heavily corrupted and that's what I said
How unfair to Sindhu, that point that the referee stole away from her could've meant that she advances to the next game, someone needs to have a talk with the umpire about doing his job correctly
That's what u get for delaying the game, even though the procedures are wrong(didn't show cards), the 1pt penalty she received is still justifiable imo
@@dx5784 yamaguchi isn't ready clearly, she was just standing relaxedly
@@dx5784 No its not justifiable, the video clearly explains this. The umpire should have given a yellow card first before being able to give a red card for delaying. Delaying can't immediately become a point penalty. His only foreword was the verbal warning. In any case Yamaguchi wasn't getting ready and the umpire should have told both players to hurry.
@@dx5784 a penalty for delaying the game when yamaguchi clearly wasn't ready and the umpire should've shown a yellow card first? no
@@dx5784 are you the same umpire in the match 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think Tournament reffere plays an important role during this situation, but they didn't do anything just came to court then they convince the player to play and this thing should be change in this sport (It's better reffere to see the replay of particular situation)
Totally agreed..
Agreed!
they cannot override umpire calls
Why there is referre post if there is no power or importance in the match why don't badminton introduce a call like third umpire like in cricket or hockey
@@unexpectediteminbaggingare8074 they actually can. But choose not to
Bwf should really look on this matter, Sindhu's incident being the recent one makes us feel that there will always be monopoly amongst who the umpire wants, but the chief refree should have atleast gone through the replay or have seen in reverse the entire incident, but the bald old men came and said that the decision is already made, if so then what's the need of him, he could have guided whomsoever was wrong and if so then have corrected, but that hopeless creature did nothing and was of no use, similar like the umpire sir, bwf should really interfere and should take action.
Yeah, if can do nothing ,then what's the point of having a chief referee. Just to show off??
Nah, I think Sindhu is indeed taking a long time to serve, even Yamaguchi look bored lol 😂
Also the Sindhu's case in the most not fatal in these video, her probability to win still much bigger than Yamaguchi at that time, but clearly Yamaguchi is better or Sindhu can't control her emotion
@@anthoniusbudkay8538 can you play?
@@anthoniusbudkay8538 Ya ya our little Japanese princess Yamaguchi is feeling uncomfortable so that bald @sshole awarded one whole hard-earned point to her. Anyway, Sindhu won Singapore open the very next month🤣
@@ZuzuChannel nahh clearly partial.. 😁
It's not just about unjust umpairing, it's a matter of medal 🥇 to the nation and proud moment for the player too to bag the bigger medal.
Thanks to the team who put this video together. Learned a lot
Imagine beating HE BING JIAO and then losing to akane due to the umpire, PV looked like she would have won the whole thing
also pv sindhu has defeated Wang ZY in their previous meeting
@@srajansuvarna164 in two straight sets
Just because of arguing for one point she lost the match.
@@dharmendraverma6233 that broke her momentum totally and spoiled her playing mood
Probably Racist umpire
First 2 cases seems to be influennced by personal grudge or external political. Most important question is whether WTF took any action against these dirty umpires, if not, then it is a bad message to everyone. I personally feel that the japanese girls shouldn't have shaken hands with the umpire after the match, they should have shown their displeasure where ever possible.
The irony is they penalised her to make game faster but due to argument that player and umpire engaged int it went on for way longer.
Exactly 😎 👏
in this case we can see the need of the rule remedied to give the empire to penalize a whole game for a player to argue against empire decision
@@casecase6246u mean empire that means kingdom?😂
I see the majority of comments talking about the mistake made against Sindhu, which I completely agree with but I think the umpire denying Hawks Eye is far more serious
yeah bcuz indians cry about everything if its against them, be it right or wrong 😂
We can see yamaguchi is still shadow playing the racquet when the refree called a fault, how can sindhu serve at that time.
she is shadow playing cuz she knows sindhu takes forever to get ready.
Normally the server get ready first, that's why especially in doubles you can see the receiver with their non racket hand up(indicating that they are not yet ready) the server is already in the serving position at this time.
@@victor6489 yea.. that's what I've seen so far ..
@@melonusk6120 are you fucked up
you can clearly see that yamaguchi is annoyed at waiting so long for her to serve
crazy things is that 2nd game for sindhu was so close that the point she lost was so crucial
thats the reason sindhu argued in the first place...only athletes know how important one point can be
I don't like your point wimpymike. And I don't like you. And you ask why?
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I don't know why no Actions are still taken against these foolish umpires.. The tournament authority should apologize to Sindhu for that..
They did, I dont know where your anger coming from without knowing facts. But the tournament apologized for the wrong decision and PV Sindhu accepted as incidents happen, even if it might have cost her the match.
@@sarveshkumar2683 hey man who is talking about this after 2 months.. I commented just after the match while the tournament authority apologized to Sindhu after 3 or 4 weeks... Don't talk like shit..
Because Indian always have lots of drama. They think it's always bollywood
@@catcath56 yeah like it's the Indian who is causing the drama there..... don't talk if you don't know what happened there and whose mistake was there
@@Midn391 lolz freaking stupidity only Indian knows best when it comes to Drama lolz bollywood your ass
This video explains clearly why Sindhu was annoyed to the umpire during the match vs Akane in Asian Championship 2022.
this is what you called rigged! especially sindhu vs akane. and for kevin’s match, I think the umpire needs another pair of glass. Apparently, 4 eyes isnt enough! Hope they lose their job!
Come on IBF, please provide very qualified umpires instead of half past six ones. How can Sindhu serve when her opponent was still walking about. She did not receive any yellow card earlier but was given a straight red. It just kills the moral of a player.
That was the idea 😒kill morale
Badminton is still way behind than other games, when using modern technology. We can say that umpires are still technically illeterate.
So sad to see this much umpires are judje the win and in Sindhu's match it totally collapsed The umpire steals the gold medal for India🇮🇳
Was there ever any repercussions from these poor umpire calls? Did any of them lose their credibility / jobs as an umpire?
Thanks for the text and explanation of the situation, this way I can understand what the problem is.
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These type of referees should be fired immediately, they do not deserve the post and they must bear the cost of their misconduct.
in case of the Japanese doubles team, the refree could have just asked for the replay and then see that they challenged straight away . Like the same replay of shown in the broadcast a thousand times, the fans,commentator could watch it , so why doesn't the refresh watch it. Sindhu's fault is a different thing which would be hard to judge for the referee , but this was just plain stupidity
The points have given unfairly by the umpire..but to keep the sportsmanship the opponent could just hit the shuttle out after she got the points unfairly ....what a show of sportmenship ....gg
WBF allows China Umpires to umpire games where China players are playing .
Question is ; who is going to watch the watchdogs ? The referees are and yes, they are just watching like all the other spectators but on free tickets .
Akane Yamaguchi is from Japan. Referees are not allowed to override umpire calls.
@@pauldodd2120 the op was talking about 2nd part of video
@@lalithrockz The umpire was just not looking. I suspect inexperience. Note that HK and Macao are considered "not China".
Yeah, the chicoms are cheats and liars, and they effectively control the BWF now. Sad to see.
@@pauldodd2120 I am talking about this particular video . There has been such a case just recently .
Then why have a referee at all .
She was certainly disturbed after that Decision...and decently impacted 8n the further game
These is all wrong....
Due to such things ...players lose their momentum and focus amd it affects the whole match.
Mentally Disturbing
That's very true. Sad to see it, when the authority in a game makes itself look stupid and biased.
@@GaryM67-71 The Umpire should take a revision of BWF Match Rules....before going to match..
The kevin one is the least controversial or shouldn't be in this video because it doesn't do the other two incidents justice.
You are right about the Kevin decision , maybe this will be a lesson for him to respect his opponents instead of treating the tournament as a platform for his training as a court jester after he retires from the game .
Well it's the most 'wrong' decision of that even makes sense. Umpire clearly knows he didn't hit anything and from the Rule's point of view it's still 100% bad umpiring
In the 1st case the umpire was clearly wrong. Akane Yamaguchi was not ready. OK, Sindhu should have served anyway, then it would be clear.
It's possible to give a red card directly, e.g. when not ready to play after an interval and the umpire has called play.
sindhu serving before yamaguchi was ready would have only delayed the game as it would have been a let...Marin and Nadal are known to do that and it's not very sportsman like
@@harshpalani True, but it serves as a message to the umpire that Sindhu is ready but Yamaguchi is not. Sometimes that's needed. Anyway, Sindhu came to my club to train one evening before the year she played the Swiss International when she was 15 I think. She was really good natured. Sadly that was not the year that I umpires the women's singles final.
Actually, errors from chair umpire is happen in many sports. Rare to see this happen in Badminton, but in tennis I watched so many bad calls from both chair umpire and line judge. Badminton umpires are so lucky, the players are polite and submissive. While in tennis, angry moment can be brutal and destroyin.
Yes thats right , european players are generally aggressive if you compare them with asian players . In tennis majority of the players are european
There is more money to lose in tennis
@@AmanSingh-lw1ne Submissive and weak, versus aggressive and strong. Glad I am European.
@@GaryM67-71 Sometimes its about showing respect instead of throwing rackets and try to beat umpires with them. Marin have won a lot of titles but she doesnt have a class when it comes to playing badminton . Asian players know how to keep it classy. Asian players entertain you with their game and nor with their mouth . I am glad to be an asian.
@@AmanSingh-lw1ne You're just ignoring Kevin's antics, Lin Dan when he was young, the Chinese match fixing, the new Lee guy's behaviour. You hate Marin because she is the best of all time. Go away.
I think referees also need to be fined if caught misusing their powers knowing or unknowingly because... It's their job and they need to properly read the rules before coming.
This need to be done because it is happening since long time.... Many players getting unfair calls because of such umpires
Agree
Yup.. let the truth prevail and stop abuse of power.
Precisely....
umpire fault videos are always so annoying
Loved the way the Japanese female doubles players handled the injustice. They didn't get angry, nor did they make a scene. They just laughed at the stupidity of the situation.
This screwed-up umpire denied the Japanese pair victory.
It's in Japanese culture. Japanese women smile when frustrated but they are actually internalizing their frustration. It was sad to see
They actually should have done the opposite, that may have changed if they had just refused to play then and there and protested enough in social media and in interviews
If you ignore today the same thing may happens with other so take a strong stand so that umpire think twice before giving the unfair judgement
2:42 The umpire must have some reason given? Because it is absolutely crazy why he's just not allowing a challenge even though they have 2 remaining.
Don't use stupid referees, it will damage badminton's image and weaken players' mentality!!
Lol Yamaguchi herself posted on twitter that on 14-11 she was busy staring at the cat!
It is hoped that the referee will no longer be applicable to other tournaments for taking a very unreasonable decision. His actions weakened the morale of the players especially Sindhu in this case. Using the wrong assertiveness on time. In this case he should have been more considerate and warned only.
What? A warning has already been given. Is that warning not "considerate" and not "only"? What's the point of a "warning" if no enforcement would follow?
@@GatorWinup 💯 agreed
@@GatorWinup ever heard of yellow cards? How can an umpire give penalty point without showing the red card? Even the badminton association of Asia apologised to Sindhu for this and you are still justifying it? Penalty points are given for bad behaviour and not 5 second delays
@@harshpalani read the international rules first, please. Cite the section that supports your understanding or impression.
@@GatorWinup the federation apologised to Sindhu. That clearly shows it was NOT her fault. Go argue with yo mama.
In case of pv Sindhu the umpire was totally wrong he want show the power or umpiring only he didn't see akane that she is not ready to play and he give the point penalty only showing the power of them self only that's not na good sigh for bwf the world is tacking so much interest in Badminton now but umpire like this show the totally unprofessionalism to world I hope bwf gonna tack some penalty action on that umpire a and masutomo umpire also
U know what the BAC gave a written apology to Sindhu, it's a tight slap for those who are mocking her
Why are there referees at all. I have never seen any incident where the rule by the judge has been overturned
The referee is responsible for the overall management of the tournament, ensuring that the conditions conform to the rules, seeding, draws and matches schedules. Obviously a referee cannot overule an umpire except for a misinterpretation of a rule. The referee does not pay attention to each rally, especially if there are several courts in action.
@@pauldodd2120 Interesting then that the referee didn't tell the umpire he had misinterpreted the rules wrongly and was thus wrong to deny the japanese pair a hawkeye challenge. Just quickly watching a replay would have shown the pair had challenged immediately
@@TheDreamLeaf The referee and umpire are not allowed to decide from replays, unlike in football. So if the umpire makes a wrong decision based on what he/she saw, then the call stands.
@@pauldodd2120 If that's true, then all the hate against competition staff not reversing obviously wrong decisions needs to be redirected to the people who made this rule. I think it's unreasonable to expect humans to make correct first judgement calls 100% of the time. As this video clearly demonstrates
@@TheDreamLeaf Rules have to apply to all matches, including the majority without attended video. It's reasonable to say that umpires will make mistakes, just like players and spectators. Easy to be harsh when watching a collated collection of errors. Some umpires are better than others, and we also learn from our mistakes. Let the person who has never made a mistake complain.
Was waiting for this one !!
very good video to show how BWF let these umpires be umpires
Definitely when pusarla was penalized she was absolutely not at fault.
The opponent was not ready , how come pusarla would serve?
Sindhu shows her aggression about faulty decision of umpire after losing 🤐🤐 she is so humble 😍😍🤗🤗
BWF apologized to Sindhu recently for this stupid behaviour of umpire
Bwf gives umpire too much power to control the match. They thought in this way the match could process faster and it's better for broadcast. More sponsors may be got as a result. Not sure how it worked anyway, but umpires start to become the match god and the badminton Bible can't restrain them
Very unfair…this is sport racism against Indian player…
Is there post-match review on umpires' decision quality? Even though it won't change preceding matches' outcome. It's for the sake of future matches and crowd's confidence on the sport's fairness.
Don't forget that BAC 2022 final XD repeatedly mistaking Zheng/Huang and Wang/Huang at the beginning of the match. I wonder where Badmintonasia found this guy who doesn't recognize #2 and #4 world best mix double. It's painful to watch that moment
always the best content here
Injustice done to PVS. Yamagucci was looking elsewhere when sindu was about release shuttle. Umpire and the Tournament judge were both wrong. Always Indians suffer.
this may add to the sports attraction. keep after it!!
I've heard about the rampant umpiring issues and rightfully so. The governing body need to do much better is controlling or dismissing renegade umpires as well as some of the players who have disciplinary problems, or the sport will never grow beyond what it is and will never grow in the other markets where they want growth. With regards to the umpiring and other ethics problems with badminton... there is an "elephant in the room" that needs to be recognized but I am not gonna be the one to raise it ;)
Thank u for sharing ❤️
Super analysis sir.
Umpire in Sindhu's match and all others should be fired
Looks like umpire was bribed, all it needs one unjustified umpire decision to ratle the player, to lose their focus and consequently lose their game
She refused the handshake with the umpire
It is okay pv sindhu u r the best love u
Thanks you bro love from India 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
I still remember that game after that unfair decision Sidhu completely lost her rhythm it's so unfair for the player.
match sindhu ni sy ada tgk.. slalu rubber set permainan mmg suda slow,but this umpire kurg matang menentukn masa.. klau baru set 1 bolehla kata memperlambatkan permainan
yesterday, they opplozises to Sindhu in a official letter.....
What's the point of having a tournment referee? :p
They apologize to sindhu 2 weeks before
and the lee cheuk yiu against vittinghus game, vittinghus clearly touched the net, but the point was given to vittinghus
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Why is there not just a "must serve before 30 seconds after the previous point ends" rule so it's clear if a player is delaying
International Badminton Body must study such issues and if the umpire/ referee is wrong he must not given that responsibility in future....Otherwise reputation of the body will get spoiled
Complete injustice to Sindhu
Sad for her
In Sindhu's case, it was not a "point penalty," it's like calling losing a point due to an under-net service a "point penalty." No. That's simply a call of fault. Previously the news I read did not mention the warning. Here, it's clear, Sindhu has been warned. She was moving a lot before serving, attempting to show that she's not ready. Had she been still and waited for Yamaguchi to stand still, then there would be no delay on her part.
The umpire has to give Sindhu a yellow card first and only then can he deduct a point . A verbal warning , then a yellow card and then the point deduction , that's what I always thought, I could be wrong or the rules are made arbitrarily bu the umpires .
@@karunanithin.ramachandran6482 dude, look up international badminton rules section 9.1.1. don't speak without references.
@@GatorWinup Damn son. Pretty aggressive response against a guy who was humble enough to straight up admit he/she could be wrong lol
@@TheDreamLeaf Really? The comment started with "has to" -- I simply explained why the "has to" is not true. And that is an "aggressive response"? Dude, you are not qualified to be anyone's father or the seniority that you claimed to have. Baby.
@@GatorWinup "You shouldn't speak without references" (seeming air of condescension). "You are not qualified to be a dad." "You are not qualified to be a senior." "You are a baby". "I am not verbally aggressive at all"
Ok buddy. I accept you believe that. I think otherwise 😊
Please check your understanding of the rules. Some of these intereptations of the rules are incorrect and could spread misinformation.
which interpretations are incorrect?
@@TheDreamLeaf I think the video has been edited since I first watched it.
1. The umpire can give that point, there is the rule for delay the serve. However, in this instance he perhaps should have enforced it with a yellow/red card as the players had not taken up their serving/receiving positions.
2. Yes this scenario is a problem. It was a long time ago and has been corrected by bwf to not happen again.
3. The umpire genuinely thought a fault was made by Kevin. But had just made a mistake.
@@obi2213 I thought if a video is edited, it has to be taken down then re-uploaded, which removes all comments?
Thanks for the info! Genuinely funny judge actually thought Kevin touched after such a massive delay 🤣🤣🤣 Any idea if judge took back the fault? Or was this another case of an obviously wrong decision not being reversed?
@@TheDreamLeaf Yeah I thought that was the case too, but I'm sure the video was much longer with a lot more text when I saw it first... 🤔 🤷♂
Yeah, but got to remember, the umpire has to make a split decision and he quite a few people at the time heard a 'flick on' but it must have come from somewhere else. Unfortunately the rules don't allow the umpire to take back a fault. Happy to help 😊
@@obi2213 Shame they can't take back a fault. I'm genuinely curious why this rule hasn't been addressed or removed considering situations like these occur. It would really suck for a world class badminton player to train so damn hard for years and years, only to lose a match purely due to obviously wrong calls like these
I too was the victim of a poor lbw decision while playing in a 5th division league match. I missed the century by 99 runs as a result.
Har chez m cricket ghusedna jaruri h ?
If TRUE, Good catch much appreciated DESERVING sports person will get the GOLDEN opportunity to prove and make money etc etc, so happy, thanks
First one was rubbish. The opponent was also catching breath and was not ready, let em play dude and keep your ego out of the game. I guess he resided in that Indian girl's brain and she lost the game she was comfortably winning. NBA referees do the same at times and takes the fun from game away :(
The umpire was truly unfair. He should not have made like this if the umpire were fair sindhu would have definitely won the match.
That is some real bad umpire calls.... the third one was a bit embarrassing but the first two were simply outrageous calls
Felt sorry for sindhu…that referee is bullfrog.
I'm curious which rule the judge based on rejecting the challenge from the Japanese players?
Maybe he forgot to bring his cards 😂
Yes he forgot to put the cards in his pocket n lost his head in giving a point to Akane .however AY should have shown sportsmsn spirit to say she was not ready to receive the serve .but yes the Umpires wrongly erred n should be devarred from few matches
Badminton umpires should get treatment that Football and tennis referees get. Some hits coming their way would pull them down
Unfair by the umpire but I don't understand why Sindu lost her momentum, she is world class badminton player and she should ready to handle any unusual situations... We have seen same situation many times in Tennis with game champions but they never lost their momentum...
its obvious you dont know shit about momentum, when you are on a winning streak its harder for the opponent to comeback as it adds pressure to the opponent thus breaking that winning streak or 'the momentum' is crucial to comeback
also, you shouldn't blame her or any athelete in cases like these, you are not even a fraction of them and you dont know what its like to be in their shoes and saying shit like why wasnt she able to come back shes a world class badminton player is just dumb
its the same as saying how did juventus lose they had ronaldo on their team
You are sitting and typing on a screen, making judgements on a situation you’re never going to experience. That’s the least impressive thing a person could do. Stop embarrassing yourself.
EQ is very important. No matter it is fair or not. Just one point loss, she should control her emotions to continue the game.
Apart from the Chair Umpire or Refree taking a review or call , off late the Umpires are biased on Indian players as seen and evident in the Asia Bad Tournament where PVS lost against AY .Further this is not the first , earlier PVS in a critical match / or stage if point was shown a yellow card , which made her loose her concentration to loose the match ...
2nd one was the worst. empire is a waste use computers
5:48
after that, sukamujo did it again in front of umpire
Thanks for the support and those others who were barking in the comment section might have got a reply
One thing in common. And that is the winners are from China. So we all know the fault play they do,
The 2nd video is clearly playing favorites.
If the decision taken by Umpire is wrong then there should be some procedure to punish them. Was any of the umpire penalized after wrong decision?
The referees will also not choose umpires who make such mistakes for the finals.
Ofcourse...but by then, the game was impacted
@@palhabs2241 Demanding that umpires make no mistakes would mean no umpires. Players usually make more than 10 mistakes per match.
@@pauldodd2120 in the above instance, it's don't appear to be a mistake, rather a blunder and intentional/ego satisfying
Forget the rules for a moment... 😵 More time was lost when the controversial decision was made (Sindhu's case) 😒 😫
May be 😌 applying the rule he should have removed *all the points* earned in the set 😏
Nothing was lost by delayed serves (assuming she did it) (of course she had a valid reason - opponent player was not ready and moving) 😒 but more time was lost due to the Umpire... 😵 So his earnings should be deducted as penalty 😜😂
Hawkeye - another side fact, it's a Chinese man where Chinese team is playing. Is that correct. 😵
I’m an Indian and I agree with the umpire. She was simply taking too long to serve. If she showed intention to serve and the opponent was not ready, that’s different but there was no intention to serve. She was simply wasting time, maybe trying to catch her breath
Lol 😝🤣😂😁😀