All The Hidden Book Clues Reveal The Rightful Heir For The Throne! A Song of Ice and Fire (Theory)
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- Welcome back for another Game of Thrones and A Song of Ice and Fire Theory video. Today I will be showing you all the hidden book clues that reveal who is next in line for the Iron Throne. As you all know, Daenerys Targaryen won the Iron Throne after defeating Cersei Lannister and her forces, however, she did not have the throne for very long. After Jon and Dany's final scene, Drogon melted the Iron Throne with his dragon flame. Afterwards, Bran Stark became the King of the Seven Kingdoms in Westeros. The books very well could end this same way... but that doesn't mean Bran Stark is next in line for the Iron Throne. I believe the rightful heir is foreshadowed throughout all 5 books in A Song of Ice and Fire. Now you will see just how many clues there are. Let me know what you think down below. Thanks for watching the video!
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N+A=J
Yeah N+A=J has its logic. But R+L=J will be a better story. And why would GRRM drop so many R+L=J clues if it is not the case ? Also, you have to remember, before any of these theories were made, N+A=J was the obvious one and R+L=J was the hidden one.
@@chad871127 He dropped those clues to fool you. It's what he does and why is him being a Targaryan a better story?
I know many people don't like it, but I am rooting for the N+A=J theory, even though it's a great chance it won't happen. I just never liked the idea of Jon not being Ned's son, I've hated it from the start..lol. But it is what it is🤷♀️
@@RewindThatwithMsKay wait who's n+a?
@@shawnd121 Ned + Ashara?
The most telling line was when Jon says why he wasn’t allowed in the yard with Rob n Joffrey n Jon says “ Bastards aren’t allowed to hit a prince/king”. The truth was Joffreys the bastard n Jons a king
Yes! This might be one of my favorite clues! Dramatic irony at its best!
Nice!
Awesome
As a son of Ashara Dayne and Brandon Stark he is no king.
Would this also apply Joffrey striking Arya?
Your videos are brilliant!! Thank you. I was so unhappy with so many unanswered questions left with the show and the crap last season being rushed and rubbish that only your video with ‘ how it should have ended “made me get any sense of relief and contented finale and end to the story!! Well thought our every time and detailed to a tea! Bloody awesome! Thank you
Also remember that at the point Bran saw Ned and Lyana in the tower, Bloodraven did say he wasn't ready yet. This is also an indicator Bran might have misinterpreted what he saw.
Indeed, I will stick around for as long as you make videos! You always bring up things I haven't thought of before. I'm new to the books, but watched the whole series. Guess I better read faster!
I think it would be the best, if bran becomes the king first, but gets corrupted by his abilities slowly, till he is not a bit human anymore.
Not just non human, but empathy and the sense of what's the right decision or what's the right thing to do for the best of all the people.
Corruption till he becomes as cold as a whitewalker, just with logic and a till there,, without the instinct or will to kill.
One day he's suddenly gone, on his way to find himself or whatever he has become and to realize, what he has to do next and what will make his existence important.
After that, his oldest sister would keep the throne for him, so that no one will see, that the king is really gone and not just overloaded with work.
Years will go by without bran ever showing up again. Just strange story's that could mean him, nothing more.
Suddenly more and more had things will start to happen in the north, the real north. Again there will be animals running away and humans looking for safety.
There will be a new army to fight and the kingdom needs a real king on the battlefield. That's the part where Jhon comes into play.
He will fight a few battles, will proof himself in front of all the soldiers.
More and more they will shout for him to become the king of the north and later, his true name will become revealed and so his unintentional journey to the throne will find its end.
Because of the overwhelmingly dangerous enemy coming from the deep north, he will left his place at the wall behind, to get his crown and take over his command at the wall again, but this time, he's commanding all forces of the 7 kingdoms against the new, uprising enemy.
After that, it would be the best to make bran something like the new nightking, but with more human abilities left behind.
This would bring a path to solve the secret around the nightwalkers and the King.
Maybe John will be able to communicate with bran through beans ability to skinshift and his own ability to do the same.
Maybe they meet each other at the battlefield and bran won't be able to kill John. Bit by bit the story will reveal all the secrets and answer every wuestion till the big showdown is coming, where bran has to decide if he follows his path of war or turns around with his army, back from wherever they came from.
In the end this would. Answer the question why the nightking did what he did and where his motives are coming from. Perfect end for such a long story!
Yes, I’ve ALWAYS believed Tyrion is a Targaryen. Tywin, I think knew it too. Not only did his wife die in labor with Tyrion, but Tywin suspected it wasn’t his and hated him all the more when he realized he was a dwarf. Not to mention that the dragons presented themselves to Tyrion when in the dungeon. He released their chains. No one can touch a dragon unless you are a Targaryen or one near by. There is a reason there were 3 dragons. Tyrion should have been a rider! And again……YES……..JON SNOW IS THE TRUE HEIR TO THE IRON THRONE.
It's a long shot, but I have a theory that Tyrion is riding Rhaegal when it gets shot out of the sky. Tyrion falls and crashes into the ground, dying on impact. Cersei gets a sick pleasure out of this when she hears about it and thinks the Maggy the Frog prophecy is finally broken. However, in her death throes when Jamie is hatefully choking her to death, she realizes that he could've also been the Valonqar.
Wouldn’t it be great if the book ended differently than the show
It Won't.GRRM said it won't be much different from the show.
@@apieceoflife2732
He said
Yes and no and yes and no and yes and no
He started with bran I’m sure that’s his choice
@@89medic
Yes, it was his Idea, according to Isaac. But this can happen but it will be much different in the books
@@apieceoflife2732 He also said he'd have the book done by July this year which passed. I dont trust anything that man says.
I am rereading the books again. In one of Jon’s chapters, he is sleeping after fighting on the wall with a hurt leg. He is given dream wine and falls asleep right away. He walks in the tombs at Winterfell and the statues are telling him he does not belong here BUT he does see a wolf, not Ghost, a gray wolf that juts so happens to be by his mothers tomb. This is something important I think as well. Just. A note.
I thought the same thing. The wolf is telling Jon this is your mother, and she is with you.
Tasha Crawford The grey wolf first reminded him of Ghost, but it was Gray like Summer. So this has to mean something.
@@sunteacup Bran's wolf. Or Bran warging into Summer. Letting Jon know who he really is.
That's weird cuz ashara isn't buried in winterfell
@@DeusRex02 R+L=J is pretty much proven as fact.
No one have got a great story than Podrick Payne 😂😂
Youre damn right
True.
I'm sorry? What about sir pounce? The greatest cat that ever lived! XD
Rose did 😭😭😭
Hot Pie
Didn't he say the books end up the same as the show anyway ? I cant even watch anything GOT anymore after the last season im actually STILL PISSED lol
Ideas for a writer are constantly changing as you're developing the story. The ending sometimes can be different from the one you originally had when you first started. But in this case, you're right. He's on record for saying the books and show will take different roads but arrive at the same place. So he's painted himself in a corner and committed to that shitty ending.
@@trustfund82, true. Besides, GRRM described himself as a gardener kind of writer. He doesn't really have a concrete plan for how his story ends. He simply plants the seeds and let them grow.
Nah none of the fanfiction from season 7 and 8 will be in the books
@@rupertgarcia Agreed. His take will definitely be a lot more detailed and make sense but I don't think he can back out of the major plot lines that the show revealed (maybe he can *shrug*) like Daenerys going psycho and Bran becoming king. Those look like early ideas he was tossing around in his head at the time David and Dan were quizzing him about how it ends. This's why it sucks when an adaption bypasses the source material - they wind up using an author's rough ideas. The Harry Potter movies almost had this problem because the young cast was growing up fast and JK Rowlings hadn't released the final books at the time. But I remember how crazy fast she wrote them and got them published....probably why I feel the quality of those last couple of books suffered a little imho.
GRRM said that some of his ending will be the same as the show and some will be different. And I think even those parts that end up the same will be better written and more convincing.
I’m an English major, so I get caught up on syntax. When you look at that quote from the exchange between John and Mormont, I read it as Mormont’s eyes never left John’s. Check out the placing of the comma.
“Mormont stroked their raven under the beak with a finger, but all the while his eyes never left John.”
Same
Indeed, that is the evident import of the sentence.
English Major who doesnt know the difference between a comma and an apostrophe :) ok then
@@winterman8248 And doesn't know how to spell Jon 😉
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I hope Tyrion isn’t a secret Targaryen. I also find it ironic how at the feast in Winterfell, the actual bastard (Joffrey) is at the feast and the real royalty (Jon Snow) is outside for being a “bastard.”
That punk Joffrey 😒
It would've make more sense if Jaime and Cersei were secret Targaryens instead of Tyrion!
"...this one-eared devil of a tomcat. That's the real king of this castle right here." Later, Ghost gets maimed fighting against the White Walkers and loses an ear.
Regardless of Jon's lineage, he has always been treated as an outsider and always will be. In fact, that is where he fits in most. King of the outsiders. He will not rule Westeros in the end but he will continue to be an advocate for all outsiders and free folk and offer them a safe haven.
Martin said repeatedly in interviews the reason he let D&D do the show was because he asked them flat out out who Jon’s mother was, and they’d guessed it. So… it’s clearly canon that Jon will be a Targaryen in the books as well.
I always took that interview to mean that D&D told him who they thought Jon's parents were, and it wasn't who he has planned for the book. So he let them proceed with the show because it wouldn't take away from the reveal that is going to happen in the books for the readers.
What I love about this channel is that whilst the show has ended, we keep getting small about the details in the books whilst we wait for the winds of winter.
haha you still think he's gonna love long enough to bring that out ? 😂😂😂
Thanks!
An Idiot Learns Winds of winter, Maybe. A dream of spring…no
Found another one.
In Dany's vision in the house of the undying there was a blue flower in a Ice wall. Later Theon reminds Lyanna with blue roses.
(That section also forshadowed the red wedding)
One thing that few noticed on that chapter where Theon dreams with dead people (Ned and Robert) and people who were going to die (Robb and Grey Wind), Catelyn and the rest of the Stark children don't appear which symbolizes:
1. Catelyn being ressurrected as LS
2. Jon, Sansa, Arya, Bran and Rickon will (probably) survive until the end of ADOS!
I agree with a good amount of the foreshadowing and allusions you're pointing out here, but I've always thought that the cat in the story is Balerion, Princess Rhaenys's cat. And the story hints that the cat - who would now be over 15 years old - causes havoc around the castle because he knows these usurpers are responsible for the death of his Person - Tywin especially.
I am still shell shocked from how ther show ended. I'm waiting for the release if the next book to start the series.
Just start it. It might be out before you make it through the first 5. Still another 20 years before we get the last one.
@@Nga_Babaye 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I thought the same thing, I finished the show a month ago for the first time and I just bought the Box set last week on Amazon, I figure the time it'll take me to read 4000+ pages WOW should be atleast be on preorder
Just start them. They are worth reading, and most likely George is never going to publish the last book in the series anyway. He says in Dream Songs II, that he never finishes series. He gets bored with them and loses interest. His behavior in the last several years has born that out.
I hope that Queen Daenerys stays away from Jon and if they do get together she better get pregnant and married in front of the Heart tree in the God's wood.
Jon was the worse thing ever to happen to dany
People might say this is Disney BUT every Disney movie has a better ending than GoT so I agree with you, both Jon and Dany deserve love and family.
Dany needs to stay away from that fool Jon, that guy destroys everything he touches, catelyn was right
@@salemmoon4022 Jon is better than Dany.
@@moneymayweathera Daenery is the queen I chose. Not that dull self righteous bastard.
I didn’t actually start watching GOT until after Season 7 had been released. Obviously, I had heard about the juggernaut it had quickly become. I didn’t have HBO so I didn’t even think much about watching it. That is, not until my mother had discovered it and began watching it and told me about it. I instantly became a huge fan. I became curious about the books bc anytime a movie or show is created from a book or book series, there are going to be some differences. I was stunned when I found out about just exactly how much different the tv show is from the books! It isn’t just little differences of minor details, D & D basically created a completely different story, so many events and storylines in the show are either not in the books or the storylines are happening to different characters. D & D had the opportunity to really do the book series justice by lengthening each season and extending the show series by several more seasons and the show would have stayed the biggest HBO hit series. I can’t wait to read the books
George is so detailed in his writing, it’s insane how talented he is. It really makes sense why he’s taking so long to come out with winds, on top of all the time he took off from writing to enjoy the life his talent rewarded him.
You raise a solid point. 👍
Ummmm, taking THIS long is ridiculous. He spent a long time working with HBO on the GoT series instead of writing the final books in the series. I really wish he had finished the books before the series was put to screen 😕. I suppose the positive spin on this for me is that I love most of the actors that put so many beloved characters to life 🙂
@@DSmith-tx5pz yes it’s true he’s taking way longer than he should be to come out with the next book, but you gotta think about all the factors into why it’s taking so long. This video alone shows how much work he puts into his writing and the detail to remain consistent with all of the plots he’s introduced.
You also gotta look at the success this series has brought him. The books were popular before the show and the show more than doubled his fame. He was already 60 when the show started so I really can’t blame him for wanting to reap the benefits of his work knowing that he’s already an old man. If Winds never come out we as a fan base gotta be happy to at least have the THOUSANDS of pages he’s already given us to enjoy so let him live his life k? :)
Didn't Aerys disinherit Rhaegar's children?
Yeah he did mostly because they were Dornish-looking.
@@jaehaerysitargaryen7923 baby Aegon had silver hair and purple eyes.
@@jaehaerysitargaryen7923 only Rhaenys was dornish looking
He said that Viserys was his heir while he has Aegon with him
Maybe. But what would that matter?
To me, the line "I'm no Aemon Targaryen" is proof that he IS an Aemon Targaryen.
But didn't Aerys change the line of succession to Visery???, this gives Dany more of a claim than Jon.
Correct me if i am wrong but i think Viserys' mother crowed Viserys king
@@vulcan387 Aerys disinherited Rheager children after Rheager was dead, making visery the new crown prince, he had every right to be crown king by Rhealla
I think Tyrion is the only child of Tywin (even Genna Lannister says so). I think Jaime and Cersei are the bastards of Joanna and Mad King Aerys. It would be so poetic and ironic, to have the mad king killed by his son and accursed as a kingslayer and a kinslayer, and his daughters (if daenerys is his daughter) complete his legacy by burning kings landing to the ground.
Also, wouldn't it be something if Tyrion - the child Tywin always denies - was really, truly Tywin's true son and heir.
Exactly and when the children he used to be so proud of weren't his. I like this theory better than Tyrion being a Targaryen. Maybe they got their incestuous behaviour from the Targaryen line?
@@jonathansc5112 Exactly, and for a father (Tywin) so obsesed with family legacy, to have his step-daughter to actually fulfil her father's legacy by blowing up Kings Landing with wildfire makes such a great story...
And for the twins, they actually have a good claim for the throne, as Aerys uninherited Rhaegar and made Vyseris his heir, but said nothing about Daenerys (she may actually not be his daughter), making Jaime and Cersei the oldest offspring, Daenarys the aleged trueborn daughter, Jon the heir to Rhaegar's line, or Faegon if he weren't a Blackfyre. That makes the waters murky and prepare the Targaryens for a civil war.
Also, i think there will be a moment when Jaime realises he has killed his father, and his darkest dreams point to this event: when he goes down the stairs, in darkness, and speaks with his mother.
@@iagocasabiellgonzalez7807 I tend to think that fAegon will be the descendent of a Targ, but not necessarily a Blackfyre. Maybe from Saera Targaryen's line? Or maybe from a different bastard of Aegon the Unworthy (he sure had a lot of them)?
I think theyre all his. Jaime and Cersei match the timeline for tywin and joanna. The thing is Tywin wasn't really proud of any of his kids. He thought Jaime would have been the golden child, but he gave up wedding someone and bearing children to be a kingsguard. To me its poetic justice that all three of his kids 'failed' him in some way because he valued superficial things concerning the legacy of his family name over the love of his children.
For one scary second, when you showed that image of Bran Stark, standing before the Winterfell Weirwood, and simultaneously said: "But we all know who the REAL heir to the throne is," I was dreading that you were going to say "Bran Stark." If you'd said that, you would have lost me right there. I would have immediately shut down the video, and went on with my life.
Thankfully, you're not crazy. And you're right about Jon Snow.
i love that part in season one when Ned says to Jon "we'll talk about your mother when i return."
only he doesnt return 😓
I believe Jon is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna but I don't believe he's the heir to the Targaryen line. When Rhaegar fell on the trident Aerys decided to make Viserys his heir while Rhaegar's son Aegon and Rhaeneys were still alive, Aerys basically ignored Rhaegar's line of succession. Also Rhaella crowned Viserys on Dragonstone when she got word that Aerys was dead. Viserys didn't have any children so that made Daenerys his heir. Also didn't Grrm say that Jon wasn't the heir to the Targaryen line? I can see Jon as King in the North for a bit but I still don't see him being the heir to the throne.
Love your content Talking Thrones, keep up the good work.
I think Dany will be the child of Rhaegar and lyanna in the books. Jon will be in the son of Ned and Ashara
@@moneymayweathera Seriously , I would rather R+L=D and N+A=J.
@@moneymayweathera There's a posibility. Rhaegar was obsessed with the Azor Ahai prophecy, which seems to involve the "Three Heads of the Dragon". He named his children, Aegon and Rhaenys, after two of the three conquerors, respresented in the three dragon heads of the Targaryen banner. Maybe Dany was supposed to be the Visenya of the trio.
And then there's the lemon tree in Dany's house of the red door. Dany said the house was in Braavos, but there are no lemon trees in Braavos. There are lemon trees in the lands of Dorne, ruled by the Martells, who are Targaryen loyalists. Probably Dany was born in the Tower of Joy in Dorne. We know from Edric Dayne that Jon did.
@@armandopena4929 Remember Ned before the fever dream, he wasn't thinking about Jon, he was obsessing over Robert killing Dany.
@@jimfox1477 Yeah, I noticed that Ned rarely thought about Jon in his chapters and more about Dany
I wish D&D actually read the books and was able to decode things the way you do. Then they should have consulted with the author on a heck of a lot more for the last two seasons. The show would have been so 🔥lit. It makes no sense that this treasure trove of material manifested into that dumpster fire AKA seasons 7 and 8. So many missed opportunities, so many screw ups, so many wasteful scenes, just pure hot garbage. D&D both need 2 stupidity trophies each, just in case they lose one.
Wow, I didn't see all those connections. I just considered Lyanna begging Ned to promise something as she lay dying in a "bed of blood" with Ned's refusal to have any gossip about Jon's real mother. There aren't many illnesses that would result in death by hemorrhage, but bleeding to death from childbirth is a common cause of death for women in Westeros. babies are a known hazard of sex, and there's no dispute that Lyanna and Rhaegar were sexually intimate; the only question was whether it was by rape or with full consent. You'd think that Robert should have realized that Lyanna being pregnant by Rhaegar when he "rescued" her was a distinct possibility, but Robert seems to have been unusually good at refusing to see what he didn't wish to see.
Plus, there's all the emphasis on Ned promising her something while she lay dying. Yes, it could have been to bring her body back to Winterfell, but that doesn't seem to have happened, or Ned would have said "It was what she wanted" during the crypt scene with Robert rather than "She was a Stark; her place was here."
Im sure Jon is Rhaegar and Lianas son, but also not the heir to the throne. I think in the books he will only be a bastard.
And Tyrion beeing a Targarien too, would really ruin the meaning of him, killing his father, so its probably not true.
@Jan Scherzer Tyrion's probably a chimera-child, fathered both by Aerys and Tywin so he's got more meaning than you'd think. :) Check out genetic chimerism and superfecundation - it's scientifically possible for that to happen in real life.
@@iwonalenik2547 The way you say that, this must be the case :D
Even if Jon is Rhaegar's son, Viserys was already crowned by Queen Rhaella Targaryen in Dragonstone as King after Aerys' death and Daenerys was proclaimed as his heir. If we are going to talk about legitimacy, Dany has a better claim because she's a daughter of a King and Queen while Jon is just a son of a dead Crown Prince to a 2nd (alleged) wife, and we cannot even justify their marriage because the royal family and the Martells were not informed of such documents and agreements. 🤷♂️
If we are talking about legit heirs then the targaryens are no longer in line since the baratheon took over by right of conquest. Yeah viserys and dany were only kids but why didnt anyone else try to help them reclaim thier birthright? Bc its nonexistent and they would have to reconquer
@@podpayne5897 let's say that is the situation. Even if the people argue over Jon's right to the throne, Daenerys has the means to conquer the Seven Kingdoms, and take the throne for herself, not Jon. We already know this with Queen Rhaenyra Targaryen's civil war with his brother. It didn't even matter who's the rightful one as long as you have the means to fight for it.
If Jon was legitm his claim would be greater than hers but once he's a bastard Dany has a greater claim. I don't believe Rhaegar and Lyanna got married on the books, they were just lovers.
Jon is before Dany. You can hate it but males always come before the females
@@meloderieugif2294 No it wouldn't be greater, Aerys disinherited Rheager line in favour for Visery, Daenery was Visery heir. It doesn't magically go back to Jon, because there only one line of succession.
If anyone still have any doubts then read this. This is Arya talking with Beric Dondarrions Square Ned (he is from Dorne) : How do you know about Jon?"
"He is my milk brother."
"Brother?" Arya did not understand . "But you're from Dorne. How could you and Jon be blood?"
"Milk brothers. Not blood. My lady mother had no milk when I was little, so Wylla had to nurse me." Now Ned found Lyana in Dorne, and Jon was nursed because his mother Lyana was dead
That doesn't prove R+L=J tho. Just proves Jon was in Dorne as a baby. Some people think Jon is actually the son of Ashara and Ned's older brother. Some people think Dani is their child. People have been debating this for decades.
@@kkcamp02 why would any mother commit suicide after giving birth a son? You are over thinking and it is something D&D did that's going to happen in the books too
RRRR
The wind stood still and the silenced roar. Rhaegar stood in
balance and grew once more. Preparing for the battle to come. Baratheon warg
and the earth shook. Battle arms ready my lords. Everyone in the halls stared
in awe. Both Rhaegar and Baratheon squaring off. Rhaegar swing his sword and
sang a song.-Danilo Antonio
I wished they made a sequel for GoT showing the Starks and the houses of Westeros years later. And for Jon to become the King of the 6 kingdoms
Oh wow that pick up about Kings hiding underneath the snow in the North was really good I have not thought about that before
I think the reason Ned put Lyanna & Brandon’s bones in the crypt is also within this secret. Brandon was technically Lord of Winterfell since his father died first. Lyanna was the mother of a prince/king and likely a princess.
Lyanna's child can't be a prince or princess. Rhaegar was already married and had two children
LORD SNOW ok
I don't think Lord Rickard died first; didn't King Aerys force Lord Rickard to watch Brandon strangle himself trying to reach the sword in order to save his father?
Edit: Nevermind I think you're right, I forgot that Lord Rickard was suspended above a flame and I do believe he technically died first.
That "2nd life worthy of a king" can have another meaning too
If he is king then it's Aegon Targaryen as the king and Jon Snow as the 2nd life. He's saying that about his wolf (dire wolf sigil of house stark) so his wolf/being a Stark named Jon Snow, IS the 2nd life.
Man, this was some excellent work and we are ALL thankful to you for it!
However, I find it bizarre that you did not mention the one from te Melisandre chapter in ADWD when Mel glimpses into her fires and exclaims:
"I pray to R'hlorr for a glimpse of Azor Ahai, yet all I see is Snow!"
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Even more bizarrely, this is actually THE ONLY "hint" that I've caught completely ON MY OWN, without anyone having to point it out to me.
It's just so obvious, I immediately got it. Yet, somehow YOU didn't, even with all the extra sources at your hand? :O
To be fair, it also needs to be pointed out that I was not familiar with the R+L=J theory until AFTER I had read the previous four books (aGoT up to and including aFfC).
So once aDwD rolled out, I was already prepared.
Well Bran Stark will be the King in book as well,but it will be awesome unlike the show.
Not necessarily. Martin says that the show is only AN ending, not THE ending. The ending of the show was the worst they could ever have as it only let their favorites win and tossed out those they didn't even want in the show to begin with.
I want to know why there was that strange stare down between Danny and John after her speech. Then later she is back to her lovey self talking to him. The whole thing seems so off and weird.
Aerys disinherited Rheager line in favour for Visery , making visery the new crown prince and Daenerys the heir. It makes no sense for Jon to be the rightful heir in the books.
Except males come before females
@@lordofcastamere9376 Not if your line is disinherited and thats what happened to Rheager line, disinheritance means no claim at all
@@salemmoon4022 he disinherited Rhaegar's child with Elia Martel. Not with Lyanna
@@lordofcastamere9376 He disinherited Rheagers whole line when he made Visery the new crown prince, that includes Jon snow too
It doesn't matter. The Baratheons are the rightful heirs. The mad king and his rapist son got destroyed by the Baratheons. The Targaryens are nothing without their pet dragons
The quote about the cat could also pertain to Bloodraven. *Older than sin* and Leaf acknowledges that he's well beyond his natural life span. It could also be that Bloodraven is effectually ruler of Westeros because of his current job as a greenseer.
As an avid reader of the ASOIF books, I am a believer in R + L = J. I've read and heard many examples backing this theory over time, with Jon being the rightful heir, but I must say you have given quite the exhaustive list of evidence! The Varamyr example blew my mind. I had not picked up on that one (silly me). Good sleuthing Thrones!!! 😉 Now who actually sits on the throne may be another story...
Me too ..... I just hate the Bran part
'King' The raven said it, so its the raven's word vs. Old Nan's word. I believe Jonh is more likely next in line for Night's King
Jon was a night watch deserter, his vows weren't just until death, They were "for all my nights to come". Jon had no claim and he broke his vows. Plus didn't Aerys make Visery he's new crown prince over Rheagers children.
Yes, it would have passed to Viserys because no one would know of Jon. I think Jon ends up being the final villain; king of the others. Bran is certainly their instrument.
"Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come."
It's a bit of a grey area. He is pledging his life and honor for all nights to come, not his watch. It could be argued that when he was killed by his men, his life ended, and should he be resurrected, a new life will begin. Perhaps he will still owe his honor to the night's watch. Regardless, he is still a confessed deserter. However, many suspect that his out of character call to action was due to a poisoning (see altshiftx).
@@estaban2527 His whole life was pledged to the night watch, for all his nights to come, the way I see death doesn't release Jon of his vows.
@@Nga_Babaye It wouldn't pass to Jon, because Aerys changed the line of succession to Visery.
As no one ever came back to life after death in the watch, it's a legal loophole for Jon. There is NOTHING in the vows that say it's for even if you die and come back to life. Martin killed Jon because he needed him elsewhere and had written himself in a corner by having him in the Night's Watch. I think the creator of the story knows more about his world than you.
i REALLY hope tyrion doesn't end up as a targaryen
My man!!!! I can see that you are a big Jon Snow fan, so am I. Please make a video on how Jon burnt his arm in the first book when he is a Targaryen, blood of the Dragon and can not be burnt.
...first off grrm said targaryens arent immune to being burned. Dany in the fire with the dragons was magic so obviously she wasnt gonna be burnt but burning the khals is nit canon so, ??? I mean if you wanna bring up burned targaryens then why did aegon die in summerhall if hes dany great grandpa?
@@podpayne5897 exactly
Aegon the egg , Ducan Targaryen were died by burnt
This is a big lie the show runners made up, the Targaryen's display a high resistance to fire but they get burnt, the egg, Maester Aemon mentioned in the books and show died in a fire with a lot of Targaryen's in it 🤣
Jon may be the only living person truly entitled to sit on the Iron Throne and wear the crown, but I believe he'll be the last king of Westeros. Kings haven't served the country well, and Jon knows that. He wasn't raised or trained to accept the title, so he won't be making a major sacrifice to refuse it -- or, possible, destroy the throne and end the Targaryen history of domination.
He may appoint a council of Wardens or "guardians" to make what had previously been considered royal decisions, but I don't see either "Aegon VI Targaryen" OR Jon Snow tolerating the game-playing and manipulation necessary for royalty to function.
It will be Jon who "breaks the wheel".
In Book One there was some mention of a dragon hidden at Winterfell. I thought this was a referene to some hot water or thermal spring that provided warm water for Winterfell. But maybe it was Jon.
I’ve watched the tv series about 4 times 😬 but just started reading the books, (only on 3rd) but it is easier to spot these clues I think, obviously because we do know some outcome. Dani has clues also in her chapters, especially when she visits the house of the undieing. I can see connection to JS. Love it!!!!!!!!!!
There was also a throw away clue early on, throw away because after Ned's death u would never get an explanation. It's when on the way down the king's rd Ned says to Jon next time I see u I will talk of your mother hinting that a destiny awaits for Jon but Ned wants to wait until Jon has taken his vows and is honour bound not to follow his destiny, this is also said at the junction in the rd one way to the wall the other king's landing.
wasn't that black cat arya chased also Balerion, Jon's half-sister's cat, or at least speculated to be
He's the right color and was just a kitten during the sack of KL, so it's definitely possible within the timeline. And that cat would have good reason to hate Tywin.
I think it is.
It's also Azor Ahai. And Bloodraven. And probably a secret Targaryen.
There's only one reliable leader left in Westeros: Stannis. He's got the birthright. He's in his prime. He's a tried and tested battle commander, and he doesn't just talk about paying people back, he does it!
Jon Snow as king would have been a much better ending. Bran would be useful as an advisor but some disabled kid who spends more time in the past then the present can’t be fit to rule.
Hot Pie for King!!
I always knew jon was the rightful heir to the iron throne its really too bad that the writers really fucked up the last season of that show.
I believe that R+L = Jon Snow
Nothing else makes sense.
When ask why Jon wasn't sword fighting with Joffrey. He said that prince doesn't sword fight with Prince. (Somethings like that)
We now know that Joffrey is a bastard , which seem to point to Jon being the true prince.
Joff is still a Prince.
I really hope GRRM finds this channel and gives you the credit you deserve
AFTER he finishes the books. Let's keep GRRM's potential distractions to a minimum right now. ;)
He doesn't look at fan theories, his writing computer isn't even connected to the internet. (could be not true but I read that somwhere)
@@oracle5872 I'd believe it, theres plenty of writing software's you don't need internet for, but the more likely thing was he turns the internet off when he writes
15:21 -- notice the alliteration -- the repeating "S"-s at the starts of consecutive words.
Thanks again for another great video I'm saving this one as I haven't read the books but was thinking of getting them on Audible an this video with all the hidden clues makes me think of the ending an how they ruined season 8 with Jon being sent to the wall 😥 so I really enjoyed this an I'm looking forward to seeing your next video
Thank you Chezz Stormborn 👑🐺❄👑🐲🔥
I think GRRM left so many crumbs for his favorite and most important characters. But it takes careful observation and insight like yours to find a lot of them.
Oh my god, George is a genius.
I like my wild drunken theory that Jamie and Cersei are the mad kings children.
it's likely Terion is
An Idiot Learns I’m behind that theory. It was something I thought of in one of the show episodes I saw. I couldn’t watch the whole series. Only snippets here and there.
I have my days where I buy into this theory. I commented above that there is evidence that can support this, and I think it would be wild if it's Tyrion, the child Tywin always denies, who is his true son and heir. Or if all of Tywin's "children" are really Aerys's?
Wow, you still don't point out that young Griff (the mummurs dragon) is in the seven kingdoms with Jon Connington in the books. Waiting to take westeros and Daenerys is nowhere to be found in the grass sea. Tyrion hasn't even met Daenerys yet and Mereen is still under attack. The secret pact of Dorne is about to be revealed, well, in a way it already has. I know there's so many details you can't cover them all but, kick back and go a little further in the bigger scope of things in the books.
Why should he mention any of that stuff? It's all entirely irrelevant to the topic in hand.
I remember reading that Arya looks less than her mother but more like her Aunt Lyanna. The books also say (if i remember correctly) that Jon and Arya look more like brother and sister than their other siblings
yeah Arya got Stark look, grey eye,long face, brown hair so does Jon. All other Ned kids got Tully looks Blue eye,red Hair ,etc
GRRM at dinner with D&D the showrunners only got GRRM on board BECAUSE they guessed correctly who Jon Snow's parents were= Lyanna and Rhaegar.
Mediocre Maiden true, that’s what GRRM said.
Dear me! Thank you for linking Jon to the Red Keep's Tomcat. I entirely missed the black bastard-link there. - And I just realized: Jon is the BROTHER of the black Tomcat Balerion in the Red Keep, since Balerion has been warged by his eldest sister Rhaenys at her death. - And the warging-magic makes Balerion, the black cat, and Ghost the white wolf... siblings! - O.o (Mindblown)
WHOA! How do you know Rhaenys warged Balerion?! Where’d you find that?
@@jamesalexander5025 She is of Blackwood blood and the cat was with her under the bed, when she was pulled out and killed. She warged into him and since then he fights all the people who occupied her castle. There happened some magical interaction when Arya picked her cousin up, GRRM has not yet explained. They probably mindlinked for a moment, afterwards Arya's first identity-changing starts: first she is not recocgnized as a girl and the next moment not as Arya Stark. Her little cousin was locked in a Tomcat for almost two deacades, Arya must have received very confused mindpictures.
@@MagnaMater2 I never picked up on that AT ALL and I've read all the books twice! That's amazing! Thanks for sharing. Also, since you seem to clearly be deep into reading the text of ASOIAF (and maybe additional sources GRRM has provided), how do you feel about the theory that Tyrion is a Targaryen?
In the chapters of Ned Stark whenever he mentioned Rheagar or Lyana he mentioned Jon too. It seemed like Ned Stark knew that Jon is their son... From the beginning so hell yeah its gonna happen in the books too
There's no doubt in my mind.
He will be a king. The question is "king of what?"
Bro, can I know what's your name?
That's a fantastic effort... Love your videos... I'm SOOO frustrated with GRRM... I'm not able to start reading the series because I don't wanna be left hanging without the last two books 😔
I’m there as well, I won’t really dive into it until he releases Winds of Winter at least.
Jon would have hated being king, but he would have been the greatest king.
cue: “I don’t want it!” 🤣⚔️🐺
Don't you mean the worst?
I don't think there will be a king, queen, or any kingdom at all after
the White Walkers' arrival. To me, is more likely that the realm will be dissolved, like the hundred kingdoms of the First Men did during the Long Night, and humanity would have to struggle to restore civilization.
Also, I have no problem with Jon Snow being a secret Targaryen, but
I don't like the idea of him being the "Rightful Heir". Jon Snow, in the books, had a lot of external and internal struggles beign a bastard in a society that despise people like him. In the Wall, they call him a turncloak and a murderous traitor (for Qhorin's death), which only adds up to the bastard stererotype (evil, treacherous, envious) that Westerosi society put on him. We see how he proves people's wrong views on him; how he proves that a bastard can be honorable, just and good as a trueborn lord or knight is (according to Westerosi stereoypes at least).
There's also Jon's resurrection. GRRM said that Beric Dondarrion
and Lady Stoneheart show how Jon will be when he revives. I can't see neither Beric or Stoneheart as examples of monarchs. So maybe Jon's posible Targaryen lineage might be of use for the "Three Heads of the Dragon" thing. Who knows?
I wouldn't mind seeing Jon end up king, but him being the rightful heir, having the lords acknowledge him as such, and just slide onto the throne all easy-peasy? Nah. Too pat. Too easy. Too cliched.
Him becoming king because he defeats the army of the dead, protecting all 7 kingdoms, the hill tribes, and the wildlings, demonstrating virtue and martial prowess, before being the one to face down Daenarys and end the reborn threat of dragons and dragon-riders? To face down fire and ice, and take the damned thing though he doesn't want it? That's the proper way a hero is enlarged to kingship.
I just reread got, and totally missed the hiding under snow.
George RR Martin should have Ayra kill Jaime and take his face. Then disguised as Jaime, have her kill Cersei. That would be great.
DNA TEST SHOULD BE THERE 😁😁😁🤣
bro, it'd be sick if Jon's parents were Ned and Ashara Dayne because then Jon could use dawn to bring the dawn during the long night. He would be a legendary sword of the morning.
That will happen in the books
When a questioner had proceeded to talk about R&L=J and how he believes it, hoping for tidbit, Martin's wife replied questioning: Do you really think George would do something as basic as Jon being the son of R&L?
George always writes his characters so to be multidimensional. We only have seen Ned acting honorably, an one dimensional character, so I believe that there is more to this seemingly honorable man, and that he indeed cheated on Catalyn with Ashara Dayne, and here is how Jon was born. I think Ned just never forgave himself for doing that, being the honorable man he was remaining silent ...no to mention that R+L=J is making A Song of Ice and Fire more of a bed time fairy tale, than a serious story. " Ohh the beautiful prince Rheagar secretly run away with the beautiful princess Lyanna and their passionate love brought the extremely handsome prince Aegon Targaryen..." I mean come on... The books are so dense that even if you read them a dozen times you miss important details.
GRR MARTIN ADMITTED WHO JON'S PARENTS ARE!!!!!! It's why he let the two morons do the show!
If Jon isn't Rhaegar and Lyanna's son what did Ned promise Lyanna on her death bed?
I think Jon's revival might have something to do with an (in)ability to become king. Are we getting a Beric revival or are we getting a Lady Stoneheart revival? Or does he even actually die?
My personal hope is a Lady Stoneheart revival where he slaughters the Bolton's and Frey's at Winterfell, although I know that would affect the rest of the story arc.
I know I saw an interview regarding why GRRM agreed to hire Dillhole&Dingleberry as showrunners. GRRM asked the guys after reading the books, who they thought Jon's parents were. They answered Rhaghar and Lyanna.
I love targariyan's
There is only one true heir to the iron throne. It is the prince that was promised, the bane of the night, King Stannis Baratheon.
Will Jon finally play the game of thrones. Or will he not want et.
"I don't wunt it."
Wasn’t there another male Targaryen in the last book that was on a boat waiting to meet with Varys. Varys had kept him in hiding since his birth if I remember correctly.
That’s right, Agon Targaryen, Rhegar’s and Elia’s little son, who actually was not killed. So if John Snow also is Agon Targaryen, the son of Rhegar and Lyanna Stark, then we have two Agon Targaryens. The more, the merrier 😁
Fascinating! Well done sir! Excellent detective work! I love all of your videos, but prefer when you focus on the books instead of the show.
I might be one of the few who have no preference when it comes to jon's lineage both theories are highly possible and have solid arguments
This has probably been said but when he caught gilly it said about kings protecting people , not my idea thank in deep geek
Awesome video have a good weekend 💓!
I personally hope Jon Snows Targaryen-name will be different in the books. Many Targaryen's was named Aegon before. I don't know if Rhaegar and Lyanna talked names over and decided it final, perhaps we'll never know, but we DO know that Rhaegar already had a son named Aegon. Rhaegar and Elia was married after all, and had two children together; Rhaenys and Aegon. it's just too much that his second son would have the same name...
I really can't shake my head from Dany saying "I will break the wheel". To me, this is foreshadowing that there will be no united kingdom in the end. I still think Drogon will torch King's Landing (although written much better by GRRM, may even involve Bran warging it for umm... reasons) and nobody wants to be ruler of the ashes. Then consider that there are major undercurrents in the story for the North to become an independent kingdom and that Dorne has no reason to swear fealty to whoever wants to clamor over the ashes. And possibly one of the most underrated players, the Iron Bank, may finally decide that Westeros is a failed investment and cut their losses. Also, Euron Greyjoy is trying to become a Lovecraftian god or whatever, so there's that.
I think George will not end the books like the show considering how awful the last 2 seasons were. John and danny will have different fates along with bran. The cripple king was a joke in the show,the mad dragon queen was a farse and john bowing out for the wall was weak plus John has NO targaryen attributes. The hair,the eyes?? Nope,sorry.
George will not disappoint his book fans. Euron has a dragon horn,stannis and mance are alive plus the question of littlefinger and sansa with arya still yet to come back. Nah,George wont disappoint the book readers.
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Alright let's face it, Jon will die. Everything foreshadows that Jon will be king but George kind of confirmed that the series will end with bran being the king. I don't think Jon will go like "oh, have enough of being king. Bran, you are king now", especially since he's the rightful heir and probably a good king.
Did little finger tell Joffrey about Roberts bastard's?
I dont understand people believing in N+A or some saying Jon is Rhaegars bastard..Its so obvious in these lines that he is Rhaegars true born son..Because none of the other theroies make Jon the reightful king..Also why would Ned keep it a secret if Jon was from Ashara and what impact would it do to the story..Jon being Rhaegars son makes him the rightful heir, the prince that was promised and probably Azor Ahai..
Uggghhhhhh!!!! I miss GAME OF THRONES!!! I also wish GRRM was able to finish the books in time for the show. Very disappointed at the ending of the show. It’s time to start reading the books!
I checked my family tree, and I believe I’m the rightful heir to the throne!!!! I’m 99.99% sure!!! 🤟😜