Why 'Strange World' Wasn't Strange Enough
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ธ.ค. 2022
- 'Strange World' just wasn't strange enough...
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At least Treasure Planet and Atlantis The Lost Empire had characters feels believable.
Meh... The family felt believable, especially during the early parts of the film when they were establishing the family dynamic. Some of the dialogue can be a bit stilted or awkward, and stereotypical... but the emotions were real enough that I figured, while it may not be particularly *moving* it was still good enough to put a little smile on my face when they behaved in ways I specifically related too. I very clearly have a bias, though... I fell in love with that family when they danced together while making dinner, since my family would do that from time to time as I grew up. Nostalgia lenses kicked in *hard* for that scene. XD
Not to mention people loved them over time. I doubt people will love this movie.
Strange World is a great film with a strong Christian premise. The only "problem" is that it is against all the sins of society in favor of the strength of the Christian family dynamic.
I know, even now, I still remember most of the names of the characters or how they look and role in the movie, and these entretained the audience, Strange World...not really.
If I get one more generational trauma movie that has the character forgive the parent/person who raised them, I'm gonna rip my hair out. Have them give there tragic back story then have the character say sympathize but they don't forgive them for their crappy actions.
Over the new years weekend, I learned just how crappy my mom's home life was for her and how it effected the person she is today. It helped my understand why she is the way she is. However I will not forgive her for the way she has been acting. It sucks that she went through, that all my aunts and uncles and grandma had to go through that, but that doesn't give my mom an excuse. I don't forgive her for how she's been acting because she hasn't apologized. She thinks she can do no wrong which was strengthen when my dad called her out for saying my new haircut made me look weird and she "apologized" to me after I said it didn't sound like a joke.
I want the movies to show that you don't have to forgive the parent because, so far, that's how all the movies have come across. Red panda, Encanto, and now this one have the characters forgive the parent despite their horrible actions and it makes me feel super uncomfortable. It don't like the message "man it sucks they your parents are toxic but they're hurting to so forgive them". I know it's not as simple as that but it stills gives of those kind of messages. Also, it doesn't have to be a movie, it could honestly be a short film. Heck, there is already a short film called bao. Yes, he does forgive is mom, but that's after, presumably, some time has passed and after the mother realized what she had done(its pretty good). I mean, I JUST WANT SOMETHING GOOD!
SORRY FOR THE RANT. Some of the feelings are raw and I might delete this later.
I realize you don't want to hear this, but the simple truth is that the only thing that can well and truly halt generational trauma in its tracks is forgiveness. Holding onto that bitterness turns you into what you're bitter against. It did that to your mom. Don't let it happen to you.
Honestly I think it's OK for one of the crew to be killed and there still being no bad guys, since they're basically explorers messing with uncharted nature. Animals don't give a frick what mission you are on.
Like, if anything I think that aspect should have been taken further, so the mutinying made more sense as well as a lessons for the kids about how wild animals are dangerous even when their pretty.
He’s never mentioned or memorialized again, unlike in Atlantis.
Ethan: There are no bad guys.
Me: I already hate this prick.
I feel like that "joke" about the family criticizing the game for not having bad guys was Disney's way for saying "screw you" to people who say Disney doesn't have good villains anymore or hardly any villains at all.
Also Jeager is the worst Disney dad since Buck Cluck. The guy left his son out of pettiness. Maybe he should have been the main villain, and have Ethan learn that yes there are bad guys. And sadly, they can not be redeemed. Can we please have a generational trauma movie where the parent is the main villain, and doesn't get redeemed or forgiven? Please?
Like in Avatar, Zuko had one terrible father and a psycopath for a sister and so he learnt to not be like them, no anymore and that they were wrong! So yeah, that story was so well done, here...naw.
Personally, I say this as someone who enjoyed Strange World (I wouldn't call it my favorite Disney animated film of 2022, since Turning Red already claimed that title. But I liked it nonetheless for what it is.) I think the film would've been better off if it was primarily focused on Ethan rather than his father. Mainly because I honestly felt he had more material to work with as a protagonist.
ironic how good films like Treasure Planet blame the flop for their 2D but films like Strange World don't blame 3D
Disney has its hands in too much. Representation matters, but if it isn't done well, then it won't matter to anyone. I am tired of the gen-trauma trope. I go to the movies for escapism, not time on the couch with my shrink. Disney doesn't have any great ideas for animation movies, and they are tearing Pixar in the process.
I went into Strange World, last night hoping to have an open mind... I was bored to tears, the whole time. Like there were well animated segments (I loved the scene with the entire family cooking together) but even when we got to the actual Strange World, I was BORED, nothing about the dialogue intrigued me, I wasn't interested or really given a reason to care about Searcher - if anything, I was given a reason to DISLIKE him for that whole fantasy of imagining his son saying his insecurities and wanting to keep him there forever. I get it, he's traumatized, but I'm getting really sick of "What if the real villain was the generational trauma?"
I didn't like that Ethan also got no penalties for sneaking aboard the venture and putting himself, Legend and Meridian in danger. I hated that.
I actually couldn't make it to the end of the movie, I was so bored and irritated. The score was great, the animation is beautiful but the writing is SO BLAND and dull. I was so bored, I turned off Disney+ and went and watched an anime film I'd been saving to watch on Netflix since I wanted to still watch a movie just NOT THAT. I dunno if I wanna finish it either. If I had paid money to see this, I'd have been really disappointed. I saw one of the animators posting concept art and it made me want to give the film a chance...
I regretted it. That is 50 minutes of my life I won't get back. I also thought Duffel's death was stupid, because NO ONE REACTED TO IT. It was like "Welp, he's gone."
I also felt like I had seen this movie already. I grew up on a LOT of variations of Journey to the Center of the Earth, I grew up watching speculative evolution mockumentaries like The Future is Wild, Journey to Darwin IV/Alien Planet, Alien Worlds on Netflix is one of my favorite series and I hope they make a second version. I LOVE "After Man: A Zoology of the Future", I loved the Future is Wild cartoon but this movie just... couldn't get me to believe any of it's creatures could exist. They're fantastical I get it, not supposed to make sense, but from a speculative evolution fan... I'm genuinely disappointed, because a movie that relies on it's literal title being Strange World, I would HOPE the main focus would be the creatures and the wonderous adventure. Not just the characters looking around going "Wow" for a few seconds and then ignoring it in favor of family drama.
I KNOWINGLY fell asleep in the theater at the end because I wanted to time travel to the end of the movie.
I was appreciative that they didn't fall into the same pitfalls of most woke movies (both the mom and the dad are pretty much equally useful but in different ways which gives both of their characters time to shine), but most everything else in the movie was either boring, cliche, preachy, lacking in crucial character flaws, or just fucking DUMB. I never really bought the interactions between Jaeger and his grandson for instance because they didn't feel like a man multiple generations removed from modern society interacting with a nerdy zoomer. They felt like what a diversity hire 25 year old who has been complaining about politics on Twitter for the past decade would say if they were suddenly transferred into the body of a wildman who hasn't seen another human being for 30 years after having skimmed Jaeger's backstory once. He doesn't need to have a crazy homophobic arc with his grandson necessarily but I doubt someone like Jaeger would sit down and let you explain your fucking pokemon card collection to him without rolling his eyes back into his skull in protest if you get me.
And all of the conflict in the movie is so tired and predictable that the characters just feel like they're going through the motions. The double cross at the end was like baby's first fanfiction stuff, but then the family escaped and I guess everyone just kinda forgot about it and decided to start working together again? The antagonist was a perfectly rational Mary Sue who was really only doing what she was doing to save her people, but at this point in our history who do we really think is going to be convinced to believe in global warming by a one-dimensional environmentalism plot in a fucking children's movie? Kids already get bombarded with that stuff and most youths today fortunately seem to be a lot more aware of the problem than we give them credit for. I really feel like the whole movie is just the writers patting themselves on the back for being progressive and helping humanity while collecting their million dollar paychecks.
Yager might be the worst dad in any Disney movie
Still Buck Cluck
Thats Disney for you
@Mad Munchkin LOVE THIS! Luv your vids, Maddie!
I like how Mars Needs Moms is SO FORGETTABLE it wasn’t brought up even tho it’s classified as sci fi lol 💀
I watched it the day it was on Disney +
I personally enjoyed this movie. It wasn’t horrible, but it wasn’t a Disney modern classic like Encanto. The story had interesting ideas, but a fine execution. Not great, but not terrible. The animation was gorgeous tho.
It's basically Disney bad writing.
@Mad Munchkin Keep up the good work!
So the real thing that made me interested in this movie was the world, especially sense as more trailers for it came out I started to get the idea that "What if this world was a creature?" All the creature looked like microscopic organisms that would live inside your body. And the fact that they had the shot of the ship going down the hole made me think more of it. If anything the title should of been called "Fantastic World" or something in reference to the movie "Fantastic Voyage".
Does Lilo & Stitch count as a sci fi adventure? 🤔
Kinda makes you wonder why Disney barely did any marketing for it
Honestly, I had a hard time connecting the title "Strange World" to the movie at first... I also expected a world that was more "strange"... but there is one thing I DID rather like once I thought about it for a few extra minutes... I *don't* actually think this is a sci-fi film... I mean... it uses sci-fi elements... but calling it sci-fi built up this expectation in my mind that the world would be more fantastical and alien, and that's not where the focus was...
SPOILER ALERT
The world IS strange... but not because of the weird creatures. At the start of the movie they paint a picture of this small and undeveloped world, closed off by those mountains, and the belief that greener pastures await if they could just find their way beyond, as their civilization was struggling... Upon finding the pando and bringing it back to Avalonia, we see that the world quickly adapted to the power source. Within 25 years, the pando and the ways in which it powers objects has permeated every aspect of that society... The world of Avalonia is completely unrecognizable compared to how it functioned 25 years prior. By the end of the movie, now the pando is gone, but the society is moving forward, still transforming, still changing, and it's very plainly stated that they don't know what's gonna come next, but Ethan, in particular, is excited to take the next steps into this unfamiliar territory of their existence...
I think the "Strange World" was never the place they fell into during the bulk of the movie, but Avalonia itself... I initially took "strange" to mean "surprising and unusual" and expected more fantastical elements... but "strange" can also simply mean "unfamiliar, and not seen before" That sense of unfamiliarity... That idea of not really knowing what the future holds... The way the world of Avalonia changes and the people adapt, transform and adjust with it... That new and unfamiliar ground they metaphorically stand on from each generation to the next... That is also "strange"... So I honestly think Avalonia is the actual "strange world" of the film... I kinda like that idea...
That said It feels like rather than hammering in those points about how the civilization changes adjusts and moves forward from one generation to the next, something they TRY to showcase to some degree through the relationships of the two pairs of father-son dynamics, it really feels like someone looked at the original script that probably *was* a bit deeper and possibly better focused, and likely too dry for family entertainment, and said "Cool... Cool... but, like... What if you just add in more alien creatures, and make one of them a cute squishy thing we can use to sell toys? K thanks!" The fact that I had to sit and think about it for 10 minutes to make the connection means they either needed a better, more fitting title, or the story needed more tweaking... probably both...
I agree about the title. Strange World isn't that descirptive and not that memorable either. I enjoyed it and the "twist' was predicted but it didn't take much away. The creatures attacking the ship makes sense given what they are revealed to be and doesn't make them "bad guys," it makes them antagonists but not "bad guys." You pretty much pointed out why Jeager walked off, he was blinded by his obsession with getting to the other side of the mountain. That's sparked again when Searcher tells him about the ship, Jeager again is blinded by his obession and wants to continue his quest. He has a goal in mind and is ignoring everything else.
This film doesn't have generational trauma as the problem because, unlike Encanto and Coco, it's not the source of the problem. The source is the Pando. The main conflict is with the environment itself. The plot revolves around the Pando. Jeager is a stubborn old man and that's his fault. Searcher was trying so hard not be his father that he circled back to being his father. Avalonia praising Jeager makes sense as he's seen as a hero even before the Pando discovery.
I'm gonna have to say it maddie, the issue simply is the writers were more concerned with identity politics then they were delivering a good story. That's why the newest Witcher series has tanked already. I know your trying to avoid bringing up controversy, but it just has to be said, so many shows, movies, games and comics are failing to pull in audiences, because they simply aren't not appealing to a majority of the demographic.
And no it's not bigoted to say that, I'm gay myself, but I would far sooner have a well written story then one that prioritised a modern agenda.
Being gay doesn't exempt you from bigotry my guy. Just saying.
@@T-mack56 While I hold true to Terry Pratchett's maxim “Just because someone's a member of an ethnic minority doesn't mean they're not a nasty small-minded little jerk.” - Feet of Clay;
Pointing out that Disney can't seem to pull a good story out of their collective behinds is not bigoted. OP has a point, rather than good story, character development, ADVERTISING. Most of Hollywood projects today would rather focus..."Look! Look! We made a (Thing) with the "First" (fill in your favorite blank descriptor) Ever, ever! We Promise! Notice me Senpai!" None of their things are a true first...and even if they were, nobody would care because the movie still doesn't have a good story or character development.
@@spacedinosaur8733 I wasn't just talking about the media though. I was just speaking in general. Personally, I could care less about these "Woke Hollywood" arguments. Because nine times out of ten, the biggest pushers of these talking points always end up being reactionaries who thinks any sort of modern media representing marginalized groups has some kind of agenda behind it, even if the work turns out to be actually good. So I have longed since stopped taking any argument of that nature seriously.
But hey, that's probably just me.
@@T-mack56 probably 😉
It doesn't push being gay that much?? Oh booo A gay character is in the movie,THATS AN AGENDA NOW?? Lgbtq people fully just apparently cant have mediocre media now ig ::/
The concept of such an ethnically diverse culture that only existed in one isolated city for centuries confused me a lot. I know it's just a movie about a world that's a living turtle, but that's the weirdest part to me. My favorite hobby growing up was studying archeology and paleontology so the only way a biologically diverse city like that would only exist with external immigration or a lot of racism.
Also Ron’s gone wrong ending made me cry
This is basically "Checkbox" the Movie. The only thing I've heard about it was people bragging about "diversity and inclusion" in it.
Ah yes, Journey to the Center of the Earth meets Discworld meets Osmosis Jones. The premise is certainly strange. It left me with a LOT more questions than answers. The worldbuilding kind of sucked, tbh. But the worst part of all? They killed Wash. Again! In the same way! Just because he didn't marry or birth either of the main characters!
Atlantis and Treasure Planet are both solid films and this one is as well i think
Honestly the biggest complaint I had with the film was just how bored I was of it.
Same issue with Lightyear where its more of “I just don’t care” and you keep zoning out more than anything. There wasn’t anything of actual intrigue, not even the animation. Its just like eating toast for me.
That’s it. I know people will complain about other aspects like the marketing or generational trauma or even the whole LGBT part but I genuinely dont remember anything after watching the film. Just bland and I know Ill forget about the film in about a week
@Mad Munchkin Good morning Maddie
I thought you said that Treasure Planet wasn’t steampunk?
My bad.
3:34 uh bad news that's cell shading
...it's still 2d.
No they animated it in 3d and trace it over (ps dont put this conversation in any video, my mom will kill me)
@@carlosvenegas9309 It's a merge of 2d and 3d like Paperman was. Compared to the CGI of the movie, this section is 2D. Paperman merges both 3D animation and 2D animation, creating a visual style that is reminiscent of the aesthetic appeal of traditional hand-‐drawn animation.
The lion king 2019 has realistic animation, are you gonna call that live action?
@@carlosvenegas9309 um...obviously not... since its photo realistic CGI, not live action, inspite if it being marketed as live action.
The names in "Strange World" aren't really creative.😕
Abalonia = Just a fancy version of "abalone" (a musslock that looks like a woman's lower body part).
Pando = It's just one letter off from "panda"
Searcher = Who names their kid that name!?
*Also, real "subtle" making Ethan's boyfriend wear a skirt & the color pink.😒 (Guess we know which one literally wears the pants in that relationship).
The place is named Avalonia, presumably a reference to the mystical floating island of Avalon from Arthurian folklore. Pando is a reference to the real-world Pando tree in Utah. The Pando tree is a forest of aspen trees that are really all one tree via a massive, interconnected root system. I thought the naming references were actually pretty clever.
Its funny too that Disney films are connectet too
I'm happy it failed
Sadly they did that disney thing where they advertise it to the west as "LOOK, LGBT!" but they purposely put all of the LGBT parts in a nice little isolated section that would be easy to cut out of the entire movie without hurting the runtime, so they can release it in countries that don't allow such things. That's why it could never be a major plot in the movie.
Disney themselves knew that the movie was lacking, that's why they advertised it the way they did.
they didn't advertise the queer content. they advertised the jokes
@@EpicMuttonChops Did they? I hadn't seen a single joke advertised.
There were advertisements? Lol
All seriousness though. Aside from one article released by whatever paper/site that was, that mentioned Ethan being gay, and likely some blogs responding to that and whatever fallout to follow, I saw nothing talking about the LGBT rep in this movie being officially presented... Hell I didn't even see any advertisements at ALL until less than a month before release and the only things shown in that were a few picturesque shots of creatures and the supposed "strange world" the mom piloting and the 3 generations of men running... A small joke here, light banter there... And Legend... because dogs are adorable.
Only reason I even heard there was LGBT rep at all was because people were complaining "Why does it feel like Disney was almost trying to hide this movie from us?" And considering how Disney had been treating their LGBT materials, especially since Chapek was put in charge... It wasn't a very big leap to make when people assumed someone took issue with the gay character not just being in the background and thus not as easily edited out for localization purposes in countries where that representation would get the movie banned... I saw a video talking about that idea on TH-cam weeks before I actually even saw an advertisement for the movie properly. That bit of drama and complaints was how I learned the movie was being made.
@@Mai57 That's exactly the same experience with me. I only heard about this film through trailers that I only saw in my theater during other films I wanted to watch. And I didn't see any inch of LGBT content in it. If anything, I only heard about it AFTER the film had already came out. And it was through articles that were talking about the film flopping at the box office.
Yup,not strange enough
I watched going in with a open mind. Eh it was ok. I think things are forced now a days and was forced in this film.
Disney stop trying to do action-adventure movies. You are bad at it.
even if it was 2d it would still be a boring movie
Strange World failed for the same reason most current movies or series fail; they focus entirely on the political messaging (poorly handled at that) and put no stock on the actual story and setting because "writing is hard". This notion Disney has embraced that there are no bad guys is ludicrous. And the reason they made Jaeger an idiot? Well it's because "toxic masculinity", so therefore all masculine men are all bad and stupid, gotta hate your own father for daring to exist, yada-yada, even if without said fathers none of us would exist. And since, you know; Disney is an arsehole corporation that wants to claim they're so moral but then kowtow to the basic common denominator: The Almighty Dollar.
Huh... I didn't think Jaeger came off as an idiot... shortsighted, bullheaded, and narrow visioned... and also vain...but not an idiot... They even make a point of showing that his son, despite being seemingly the opposite in so many other aspects, is exactly the same... Searcher very much has the same shortsighted, bullheaded, narrow visioned tendencies... so focused on saving his "legacy" for his son that he ended up ignoring his son's feelings and desires, much like his father had done to him...
And I don't get your point about hating fathers for "daring to exist"... I must have missed that part of the film because that never came up for me.
Atlantis and Treasure Planet. *ding*
Yippee! Okay, never mind, take the sin off *reverse noise*
And the mandatory "It's only three movies, each different and unique from each other" *ding*
Which A Goofy Movie is incredible, even though I haven't watched it yet.
You are really a mainstream Disney critique *ding*. I disagree with you in the absolute, and I feel like you are missing the point of the film.
Congratulations, you've got a point of the film. The grandfather is blind to the obvious benefits. His son becomes a "stuck in the mud farmer," and then his grandson becomes the 3rd generation to slap them out of this reality. He gave him the compass to make sure he could find his way back, at the cost of him becoming lost continuing what he wanted to do. *ding*
You do realize who gets better credit in real life? Who do you think gets less praise, the man who solves a problem with intelligence, the man who sells people that he's a hero, or the man who acts like a hero? *ding*
I mean, this isn't the Backrooms. This is an inside Wonderland. *ding*
The rock is enough for me, I mean what? Do you want the film to spend 10 minutes of screen time discussing his already deteriorated mental health and self-inflated ego and joyfulness? Do you want him to be a depressed alcoholic or do you want to retread the same ground as before with the father who turned crazy? I mean, you wouldn't criticise Donald Duck's brief Island desertion with "Micky Mouse" (why doesn't Disney make another modern film with that mouse?). What are the rules, darn it! *ding*
Bait. Huh, well... that's honestly kind of hilarious. I mean, some casual explicit representation is better than saying it in an article, or referencing it in other media retroactively just to get people interested. *ding*
And make him an object of affection, an "award" to win in the end. Or make one or both fathers antagonists by accident *ding*. I mean, I could write a love story, a parent problems story, and a human body weird adventure and tie them all together, heck, let Disney hire me after college to rewrite all of their movies and have the live-action Disney movies turn into a Marvel Avengers crossover with all of the iconic Disney characters, I would know what I am doing better than anyone else, that's for sure.
Total sin count: 8
Sentence: You're a mainstream critic, aren't you.