THE U.S. ARMY SHOULD CARRY THIS KNIFE! Extrema Ratio A.M.F.
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- Remember the Ka-Bar USMC we tested? Big fail... It bend and it broke... In our opinion a soldiers knife shouldn't just be for self protection. You need to be able to depend your life on it. So we tested the Extrema Ratio AMF and put it through hell.... Can you depend your life on this knife? Is this the Knife you should have gotten from your stingy country where you put your life for on the line? Find out in todays episode!
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Think they checked me out and thought '' Old git, not worth bothering with".
Yeah got one and changed their name. Reported them
Hey guys, this is a copy of Gerber BMF, a crappy knife I had in the 80's.😁😂
This Italian Gerber BMF is even crappier than the original. They hold the hammer head with a screw, hahaha!😁😂
I had the same spam message on another youtube channel.
"What a soldier does 99 percent of the time with his knife is not stabbing. It's actually using the knife as a tool." Can confirm.
opening mre's
Confirmed !
@@godigitalguy82 Right?!
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G'day Charles, how ya doin mate.
Yep fair enough. For that other 1 % though, I'd be wanting a good one, lol.
What do reckon about this knife for your climate and MO ? it is a stainless job, personally I've had very good experiences with N690 & 695. Cheers Duke.
Former U.S. Army 19K M1 Armor Crewman here. Whenever we'd get deployed to do infantry things, we were issued M9 bayonets.
No one in the U.S. Army is issued the Marine Ka-Bar knife for obvious reasons.
And every U.S. Army tanker has a Leatherman on them at all times or they're just not a real tanker.
thanks for the info! I had an m9 bayo once. I know they're build much more solidly. I do believe the steel was 420hc at least when they were made by buck. the steel wasn't great but the build quality was good as far as I saw
Also the Ka-bar is not a fighting knife, it was picked out of a hunting knife catalog, it was not designed for combat use.
@@DutchBushcraftKnives "The steel wasn't great...", because the Pentagon buys from the lowest bidder.
@@usernick8928 Actually, it was *specifically* designed *by the U.S. military,* and Ka-Bar was only _one_ of the multiple contracted companies that made them --Camillus was the first.
@@usernick8928 excellent point!!
Please youtube stop bullying the DBK boys with your algorithm🙏. They make awsome content.
bless your sharp looking soul my friend
Asking will accomplish nothing. TH-cam is not your friend.
Appealing to TH-cam's humanitarian sense?🤔
....good luck!😆
"Resistance is futile"
@@alphadawg81 First step is always to ask nicely😈. (for legal reasons that's a joke).
A thread lock compound would be a good idea for that tang screw. I am surprised they didn’t add it at the factory.
Or a spring washer could have worked
Stainless Nylon Insert Lock Nuts
Or they could have pinned it like a good knife maker.
@@camojoe83 it’s possible they wanted it to have the ability of disassembly.
Not sure why though.
They should have done something either way.
@@marine6680 maybe they wanted to be able to take it apart to clean off the MREs. Could be they figured military food might be corrosive.
Reminds me of my Gerber BMF I bought in the late 1980’s but with much better steel than the 440A in the BMF.
I be got 6years and counting in the infantry. Fallkniven f1x never leaves my side thanks to you guys 😍. I would definitely buy a bigger fallkniven x knife. Absolute units. It instilled confidence the moment I put my grubby hands on it.
Wow that really is good to hear!!! Hearing alot of military guys talking about light knives being the way to go!
bought the s1 pro. and i absolutely love it. best small chopper you can get your hands on. but i do what the f1 pro next. but i wonder if the grip still sucks vs the f1x?
@@gospelninja2.016 you think the f1x grips suck?? How come? Granted it’s not the most ergonomic and a little thin but it’s grippy. Real grippy. Fantastic grip with my combat gloves on. I have 100% confidence with the fallkniven f1x.
@@DutchBushcraftKnives did you guys comment on my comment to give away a prize, or do you have a scammer in the comments? Looks like more than a few people got the same message I did.
LEG
I spent 29 years and 10 months in the US Army. I never got issued anything but an M9 bayonet. They treated those like firearms and took them back and locked them in the arms room when we got back from the field. We were discouraged from carrying “Rambo” knives. I had Korean customs seize a Cold Steel Kobun I tried to bring into South Korea with my military equipment. Mostly we carried small folding knives. I knew of some people who actually got issued the Benchmade AFO automatic knife in Bosnia. I mostly carried cheap pocket knives I wasn’t afraid to lose, or a Spyderco Delica 4. I primarily used a knife for opening MREs, cutting 550 cord, and opening boxes and packages. I never had occasion to baton wood or stab anyone the whole time I was in the US Army. I did need to cut foliage to camouflage fighting positions and sometimes used a machete for that, but honestly the ideal tool for that task was small handheld pruning shears.
Aiii M9 brings memories back in the field. That knife will kill you for sure. It bents in the box
I have one of the Benchmade AFO knives. My friend worked in US military stores in Germany back in the day and liderated it for me. I wish it has US military markings but it's just standard.
@@EireGenX I think the Benchmade AFO had a National Stock Number, meaning it could be procured through the supply system. I have one I bought but I don’t like it because it’s too heavy and it’s half serrated. I hate serrated knives. Plus it cost $200 so if I lost it in the field I’d cry. A Dollar Tree pocket knife will open MREs and cut paracord just as well and if I lose it I’m only out $1.25. Seriously, Walmart was selling some excellent folding knives a few years ago (Ozark Trails) for $3.88. There are several TH-cam videos about them.
If I were packing my bags to go to war right now, I’d pack a Cold Steel Kobun or Tanto Lite, and a couple of Spyderco Delica 4s. I’d spray paint the blades flat olive drab to cut down on the reflection. Soldiers are already carrying 50 kg of body armor etc. The last thing I want is another kilo of knives.
Cheers mate!! Thanks for the info! It’s real good to know these things for us !!
What the US Marines actual use, is a Ontario OKC 3S Bajonet.
Try this next time.
The US marines are our only real fighting force and they are being replaced with social justice warriors. You'll all be defeated when the Chinese or Russian armies don't use your preferred pronouns. Lol
I would love to see a DBK review of that knife.
But it s not full tang ,good for stabing but it s all.its not a survival knife
@@didiergiraldo8606as far as ik the okc3 s is full tang or close to it
yeah i have never been issued a knife, pretty much everything that we have knife wise everyone just buys out of pocket but just bc people are in the military doesn’t mean they are knife guys and most have very shitty knives that would challenge a butter knife for sharpness
While attending Army Ranger school I learned that the most useful knife in the field was a Swiss Army knife! It has two blades , a useful saw, scissors, can opener ect. Even a toothpick! I still have one to this day!
Agreed. I got one as a birthday gift from my parents 35 years ago, carried it when I served, and still bring it with me when traveling. I also carried a tactical knife, but the Swiss Army Knife was more useful.
@@scepticalwalker3984 a swiss army knife has what 99% of the time you will use or what you can get around with. Instead of chopping you can use the saw etc.
@@Captain_Cinnamon agreed.
8:57 you’re reaction here made me smile 😊😂
Keep on Kickin A-- guys! I'm buying the Extreme Ratio Selvan because of your testing. Thank you for doing all the hard work for us as most of us don't have the time or money to test the varieties you guys do. I personally love the direct approach and look forward to seeing how future knifes are developed and tested here. Wishing you 2 would design knifes to suit! i would pay good money for that. Much Love From British Columbia CANADA!
Not everyone's favourite steel, but I've always rated N690.
Like all steels, everyone say it together "its all in the heat treat"!
Great design, modular replaceable handle on a full tang - very military.
Great review guys as usual.
I enjoyed and was intrigued by this week's video, another great job!
I'm a recently Retired, U.S. Marine, (A few years ago).
Marines are issued the, Ontario Knife Company, OKC3S, Bayonet. Not the K-BAR USMC Fighting knife any longer.
I would love to see a follow up video using the OKC3S,
Thanks guys!!
"The Old Gunny"...
Can you go back in just in case we actually go to a war? The LGBT people in there now can't fight.
Thanks for the vote of confidence. Fortunately I was out before so many big changes...
@@bobjohnson1633 Stop with that crappy take, have you served recently/ever or are you one of the “old corps” marines who thinks tossing boots off 4th deck is good training? Today’s marines are better trained and equipped than ever before and just as willing to fight as any of their predecessors, you’re buying into a pure Russian propaganda talking point, our lethality is still priority. I can’t speak for the POGs, but the infantry community right now is experiencing a bit of a renaissance of pride in MOS proficiency as well as tactical thinking and innovation, let me assure you that the cancer of political correctness can not and does not thrive in the infantry because infantry marines don’t tolerate it.
@@andresgamba1478 oh, are today's transgenders with 2 moms better trained than ever? That's so useful when they can't pass PT and are more worried about their make-up than a war to kill people for being brown and drone strike children.
A military that hasn't fought a just war in how many decades gets to complain to a tax payer for giving them everything they have while building an economy for them to thrive in
Oh wow homophobia? I'm shocked .
Most enjoyable, honest, and crazily entertaining channel on TH-cam
whenever you guys measure the sharpness with the sharpness measuring thingy, you should let a comparison chart pop up so peoples can understand better
Hey, fellas. UK DBK Knife customer here. I haven't heard anything since the kickstarter email on 13 July. I was supposed to get an email from PostNL, but I haven't received one yet.
Use Locktight on screws to avoid issues.
We got the m9 bayonet in light infantry. The scabbard interfaces with a notch in the blade that functions as a wire cutter-good for breaching concertina wire. A lot of guys carry leathermans. Probably number one use for a knife is opening mre’s
That wire cutter actually works.
In the Gulf War, my idiot driver ran over some concertina wire in the middle of the night and got it wrapped around underneath the vehicle. The rest of my team all had those Vietnam bayonets, so lucky me.
It worked though!👍🏻
Jw, can’t you use a low level lock tight on that Allen screw in the pommel? I do that to my big chopping knives to ensure the screws stay in place.
Exactly what I thought, I use the red thread lock.
I have a Ka-Bar and clones by Ontario Knife Company (who makes our bayonets and most of the issued Ka-Bars) and one by Case (a Surplus Marine Combat Knife) and none of them have failed like y'all's did. I've chopped hickory, oak, and Osage orange with them. Still amazed.
Yes, I agree. I have a Case XX USMC knife, and it´s a much better version of the Mark 2 Model, as the actual Ka-Bar USMC knife is.
Thanks for showing the Europeans how to properly use “y’all” in a sentence!
@@Maryland_Kulak spreading culture is the least I can do.
I love my Ka-bar knifes! None have ever failed me even chopping wood or digging. Infact the BK 2 comes with me evrytime I go on an adventure.
@@MilkBugs BK 2 is a different animal when compared to a USMC in fairness. BK 2 is a much better all round knife and a hell of a lot sturdier.
4:41 "I did not expect it to be that thick!"
I hear this all the time
Original desing Gerber BMF (Basic Multi Funtion) steel 440A. Serrated (8') and non-serrated (9') version.
Gerber LMF (Lightweight Multi Funtion) steel 420HC 56HRC ("soft" low retention but easy sharpen), serrated and non-serrated version.
420A and 420HC, selected for mass production process.
Gerber LMF II, steel Sandvik 12C27.
440A is not a bad stainless steel at all, it keeps an edge pretty good and can be field sharpened. It's just not the latest and greatest, that would be magnacut.
Please test the Extrema Ratio Silente, it’s the weird one with the clamp, I think you’ll have tons of fun, always beautiful content!
and one for you, guys! :D you do a great work! greetings from Hungary
Should probably test the CRKT KANGEE T-hawk(solid steel) if you want to see what special forces carry .
It isn't Atom splitting sharp but I can see a toothy edge being better at what Soldiers might cut like cordage, ropes, and other stuff
You act like factory edges last for any length of time.
You guys have more fun than anyone on TH-cam! Keep it up!
I have loved N690 Co! I had a Bark River Forester! I have a Spanish Miguel Nieto Chaman XXL. Now I want a short & wide knife from Dulo knives with N690 HRc 61-63.5
Add a little blue threadlocker to that screw and it should fix your problem.
At first, I thought Gerber brought back their 1980s Basic Multi-Function (BMF) knife model based on the knife image. Seems the Extreme AMF took a lot of queues from the BMF but made a better version.
You should do some videos on Randall made knives they actually have a rich history with American troops since World War II up until modern conflicts.
I really like the bit of fire safety in these vids.
As a former member of the U.S. Army (Wisconsin Army National Guard 99-06) being in pre threw and post 9/11 there was a lot of gear changes. As far as the knife goes my original issue was the M9 field knife (4 different manufactures). In the middle it changed there was a time where there was no real set issued knife, 04-05 deployment guys kind of carried whatever they wanted. (the SEALs were partial to the cold steel Recon 1) I carried a OKC SP3 and my Leatherman Supertool. by the end and as far as i know currently the issued knife is the Gerber LMF 2. I know it is what they issue you for SERE school.
NG is not US Army
Soldiers in the field get issued Meals Ready to Eat. Each meal has a pack of matches included in the accessory packet so a lighter or Ferro rod isn't needed. I have a few videos reviewing MREs posted.
great review guys.I love Extrema ratio there knives are all hard use.
(From the USA) Dude(s), I love your vids & been watching since your infancy. Thank you for making vids! I always look forward to Thursdays!
- From a knife lover, to a far land brother(s)! - (your English is top shelf! ; )
I was never issued a knife by the army. What they did issue were two different multitools; one from Leatherman and another from Gerber. What I did end up carrying was some sort of benchmade automatic folder and a benchmade nimravus that I bought myself.
I also got a Gerber.
Just want to say your testing methods are perfectly fair for real life use (over time). My current "work" knife is D2 tool steel and crappy for sharp edge but hacked through a piece of 3/8 re-bar saving me a trip to get the saw and still cut string.
Dutch bush craft knife dudes!
I absolutely enjoyed this video and the many others you have all been posting! I’ve now followed you both for a couple of years 😎 That being said, I’d like to make a request!
Please review the Extrema Ratio Operarive 39-09 and Nimbus for survival situations and see if they hold up. My colleagues and I are discussing the claim, “they’re made for extreme military survival situations.” Although they’re modified daggers designs, so we’re curious how they hold up to batoning etc.
Please do a video on those two knives and let us know how they handle please!!
- Army Vet here
Thanks for all you both do! Great reviews!
After Mikkie said it was the best survival knife in their collection I thought he was going to chop that barrel in half 😂
I think this is the knife that always portrayed in anime. Quite indestructible.
If the tang was long enough to taper down & tread it. Would make for a stronger join. And shape the finger stop at the back to fit more comfortable. Only things I'd change.
Hi. Do you think this knife is better or is fallkniven a1pro better? Which one should I choose as a survival knife?
As a survival knife id pick the fallkniven
What are they cutting on the edge tester? A hair? Or something more consistent?
I'd think as long as that tang fits snuggly in the handle, the pin breaking wouldn't be likely. And as far as survival knives go, I don't think it's ugly at all.
My mate over at 'Bush Camping Tools' is a big fan of Extrema Ratio. I wasn't, but he won me over. Sadly, can't afford one at the moment but it will happen.
I see in this knife the GERBER LMF from about 25 years ago. Twins??
Looks good. The only downfall of it for me is that bolt loosening. Ideally you don’t want bits of the knife to be able to come off at some point when you’re out in the field.
From Extrema Ration I like the tanto shaped knifes like the Selvans, Fulcrum, T4000. Those would be much better for the army I think.
First, the kabar is a Marine knife. American soldiers aren't issued Marine gear. Second, soldiers aren't issued a knife of any kind other than a bayonet. It's entirely up to the individual GIs to buy whatever knife they carry. Third, even the Marines haven't been issued kabars in decades.
I think it would be awesome to see you both test a Chris Reeve Knives Pacific. In my opinion, it falls under the same category as this Extrema Ratio. Love the channel!!
I have the original Pacific that has the gun coat and the serrations. I've seen it now without serrations and a different coating. I'm not sure I'd consider these to be genuine Chris Reeve knives though, being how he has left the company and has had no input into these models. I do know that he was often asked to produce the green beret and the Pacific without serrations but would always refuse for whatever reason. So to a hardcore collector I'm not sure these newer models have the same sort of prestige that the older ones have.
" complete straight, not inclusive" lololol, I laughed so hard!
As American I agree the k bar ,that k bar has extremely weak tang its way to thin ,if it had actual full size tang it would be a decent knife.
That would be a pretty fancy knife to open MREs with.
Whats better, this knife or the Gerber bmf ?
As for a "Soldier's knife" I don't think any Extrema Ratio come even close, to the TRC Mille Cuori. ( I guess you agree on that at least)
The mille cuori is the first choice for me if I was looking for a combat survival knife! 100%
I understand that PJOPEN made the song at 2:46-3:17, but could you please tell me the name of it? I find it incredible!
@Gruzum Roger that! We need the full song! Are you hearing this "Dutch Bushcraft Knives"?
Thank you I really appreciate the update! Keep on kicking A$$, my friend!
But the U.S Army doesn't issue knives typically. I always had to buy my own. Pilots may be different, but people on the ground usually only get a bayonet and then they take them away mid tour. I bought a Benchmade Nimravus tanto and it did good opening MRE's, scraping dirt out from under my fingernails, carving some stuff, cutting 550 cord, shaving some arm hair off to see if my sharpening skills were still good. My pocket knife got far more use and I didn't stab anyone with it either. Used a lighter to build fires. I did eventually learn that different blade steels work better or worse with fire starters. I had one on me, but the lighter was more convenient. Just kept extras in sandwich bags.
-Former Scout.
The fulcrum bayonet is the real beast!
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Nice one. It looks almost exaclty like the Gerber BMF from the 1980s 1990s. BLade shape, the pomel, even the holes in the blade guard. Also the sheath is similar.
I think the old Gerber BMF looks better with it´s black handle.
In case you like the Extrema Ratio AMF also take a look at the Gerber BMF.
I was going to say the same thing.
13:08 It just Blues it out of the water 😂😂😂
Wish u guys would test a handful of machetes. Iv been trying to find one to clear some trails when I'm exploring.
Looks like a great knife. Can you test the Extrema Ratio DMP? It’s a similar knife in terms of size and usage but at half the price.
For me, and i used it , i think this knife is fot combat porpouse, is to camping outdoor, but is more to combat, look more and dagger german than a survival knife
That's an updated version of the Gerber BMF by the looks of it.
Engineering with fasteners 101, the width of the hole your tapping should always have the equal amount of width on either side of the hole for strength.. those are some pretty thin edges on that tapped hole
Well done boys keep up the amazing work
Thank you for lighting the brick on fire.
always! fk bricks when they're not on fire
Would it be better with a sharpening choil? The absence of one always weirds me out with a knife
You should try the Medford USMC fighter. Very similar design as kabar but 3v full tang g 10 scales.
Great video bois!
Great video as usual!
Broke my Ka Bar prying open a window lol. Bought a Esee and it's never broken probably never will but it gets dull easy. Any recommendations for something similar price range that's strong but stays sharp?
Great video is always, guys. Keep up the good work
Also, you'll get better performance if you pitch the edge back to make it a real cutter. That edge you are polishing is just for shipping, it's beveled like an axe head, so it will only get somewhat sharp. File it back about 8-10mm, and it will be razor sharp. Very hard to do with softer stainless, because it deforms. Maybe that 58roc will take it.
Great knife. Shoot near the edge like other tests
Well….soldiers don’t use KaBars, Marines do. Even in the Marines the Kabar is no longer an issued knife. We usually brought our own knifes, I had a Gerber LMF. The best knife? A combo set…stainless steel leatherman or Gerber multipurpose pliers and tools!
Great review as always guys! But hey, will you also please do a review on the Extrema Ratio MK 2.1? I ask because that knife is actually based on the same design as the USMC Classic Kabar knife that failed your review miserably. The difference between the Classic Kabar and Extrema Ratio’s version is that the ER knife has multiple upgrades. If you do get the opportunity to do a review of that knife please jump on it. Once again, great review on the Extrema Ratio AMF!
The American Soldiers don't need a knife, because we have other thing to take out our enemy's, just because it's a issue knife, doesn't mean they carry that one, because the soldier can carry any knife he wants to in the field.
The clog smashing really sold me.
Ontario Knife Company makes the marine combat knife and has the DOD contract. I prefer Ontario, but they have gone down a bit in QC
I agree, n690 is fairly sharp and durable. But the problem about extrema ratio knives are price. How come 5mm of n690 prices as microtech luxury knives? Extrema ratio even gut rubber grip on it. Military is all about budget and basic requirement balance. Too pricy.
The ka-bar is more of a ceremonial knife nowadays given to Marines for various occasions.
Martin - “I did not expect it to be that thick” TWSS
Damn! I forgot that I wanted to send you guys some American white oak to see how it compares on wearing your blades. At the time I had shipping worked out and everything, and could totally afford it.
Unfortunately, I cannot even remotely afford it today. Bummer. Oh well.
I'm totally jealous of the knife, fwiw. Nice review ^_^
You need to get your hands on a wilkinson Sword MoD survival knife type D from the 50s & 60s that's a real knife
Well done, boys
great video guys, thanks and it going please!
Nice job on beating that one up....
Thank you for the videos....
Thanks for giving me another new annoying sharpening standard that I’m going to put on myself by saying, “It shaves but not comfortably.” Now I won’t be satisfied until my knives shave comfortably.
😂😂😂
My knives aren't sharp until they can dry shave my face.
That was awesome you guys are the greatest
You could use some Loctite on the screw to help stop it coming lose, just a thought.
I have a old Gerber BMF that looks alot like this one.
I’ve a couple of ER folders, one a micro knife, the other a real F off dagger with a 6” blade. Both great. I’ve always fancied a fixed blade or the Rao II. You’re convincing me I should!
Not received the stropping compounds I ordered last Thursday yet!
Micki, @ 2:25, what knife do you have on your belt?
its the Kellam wolverine
Marten didn't expect it to be that thick.
If I was still in service I would just go for something medium size. I would take either a Bark River Bravo 1 or a Fallkniven F1Xb. Usually a lot of things issued are crap and I had to buy everything myself. Even most of the firearms are not as good as civilian unless your are spec ops. Airborne Soldiers probably are still gonna use a smaller boot knife. And most soldiers and marines will more often use smaller knives from their own money instead of issue. I dont think any of my guys even took their KBAR with them to patrols unless they are fan boys of the product. Most actually had folding knives. Compared to what people say that use for prying or cans. No thats just the weirdos cause most of us have leathermans or gerbers for opening cans. And prying doors are for breacher kits like crowbars. Most knives are used for cutting 550 cord or tape, boxes and mres