Why The UCI Weight Limit Is Unfair | GCN Tech Show 323
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 พ.ค. 2024
- We discuss why the UCI weight limit isn’t fair on smaller riders and how to possibly fix it. We also have ridiculous socks, affordable shoes, bling jockey wheels, the bike vault, and comments of the week. Plus, for one week only, Jon Cannings is BACK!
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Should the weight limit be changed for pro bikes? 🪶
Track bikes' limit could be reduced to half the 6.8kg with modern technology, but it would make it more expensive to get a competitive bike
No. Its great that pro bikes, or near pro bikes remain accessible to amateur riders. Reducing the limit would rekindle the weight-weeny development process and encourage the use of ever more expensive materials and components….putting them way out of reach of the average Joe.
Yes, 7.5 kg should be the minimum so bikes are more robust and so safer also because some of them are already 7.5 kg and this rule hasn't been updated since the introduction of disk brakes
It should stay the same. The price it would cost to have the lightest bikes would be immense and so the poorer pro teams wouldn't be able to afford them. There was a time in the 90s that those time trial machines could cost up to 50-100 grand and so the rider would already benefit from a better bike. Which would be almost like doping by just having the money.
So just try to build better bikes while staying in this weight limit, though I do get the argument that for some riders the percentage canget wuite high. Then again I have never seen a 90kgrider see win the tour de France, so the handicap of Viingegard with his 58kg can't be that troublesome.
10 kg could be a good weight..
Bicycles could be made more aerodynamic and thus faster..
Manufacturers could use cheaper materials and make more profit..
People's condition would improve..😁
Jon is back and I am so happy :)
Early christmas gift for you!
Me too 😁
hello! Thanks, it was fun to come in and help out Ollie!
Great! Send Axel for a longer holiday, he deservs that 😉
I love jon❤❤❤
How could we have forgotten Jon’s enthusiasm for “RINGING THE BELL”?
My shoulder is very sore!
We can't forget it... carries the bell around the office. Do a good job, Jon rings the bell... do a bad job, Jon rings the bell 🤣
@@JonCanningsYou might want to post a note to yourself to warm up with some arm swings or gentle massage if you’re ever again asked to ….Ring the Bell!
@@JonCannings Your sacrifice is appreciated, especially after Alex and Ollie's pathetic rattle substitution last week.
I think he’s going to need some PT for that shoulder
Jon Cannings is the GCN tech OG. Ollie & Jon are the GOAT GCN tech duo IMO (no offense Humphry/Terrance/Alex). Please bring Cannings back in future videos!
Ha! Just as the Comment of the Week section began, I turned to my husband and said, “Jon pops up in the various comment sections and has conversations.” Yes that was me. I was viscerally against cycling for myself, but my husband is an avid cyclist and he was watching a GCN video on his phone. The snark and sass caused me to ask what he was watching and since I am full of snark and sass, he thought I’d like it. I did. I’m also a photographer and love to travel and GCN offers all that too. Watching GCN is what we do whilst having dinner. Fast forward a couple of years and now I want to explore by bike too. Ollie is kind of responsible for me having the bike I have. She just went out on her very first outdoor ride and I submitted her to the Bike Vault. So thanks GCN, you’ve brought me around and hopefully will have many years and miles riding with my husband
So I wasn't wrong!
I loved it, I was talking with a colleague yesterday and I explained how our audience is so varied. From people who live and breathe cycling, to others who watch for entertainment.
I pop up in the comments as myself or any of the channel names too. Thanks for the support and it's great how you've fallen into watching GCN!
JON!!!!!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 GREAT TO SEE YOU MATE!!!!!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
hi, thanks for the 🎉 it was a good laugh to be in the workshop again!
@@JonCanningshope your shoulder recovers from ringing that bell 😂
Yes! Jon is back! He has been missed, and I hope to see more of him in the future!
We'll see what we can do, Alex will be back soon and order shall be restored
@@gcntech @FKnoph Alex is doing a brilliant job with Ollie. Love seeing these guys!
No lie - I really missed seeing Jon on the channel as a regular presenter. The whole team is great.
Once a triathlete, always a triathlete. We see you, Dr Oliver 👀
You'll never convince him 🤣
😂🤦♂️
@@gcntecheven the pope has to take off his socks😂
"Once a triathlete, always a triathlete" - eeemmmmm, NO.
So fun to see Jon back in the saddle again! Thanks for making a personal appearance, Jon, and I enjoyed your chat with Ollie about UCI pro-bike weights and it does seem that UCI-okay frames and wheels could be a good basis for it all. But then some crafty teams could run cardboard bars and what not and who knows. And I'm sort of digging the weirdness of the Bike Vault with Jon and Ollie as super judgmental judges who give a lot of super nices. 😀.
I've got saddle sore after that epic tech show!
putting cannings on and saying "campagnolo delta brakes" has busted my bottle of whisky, caused by my tech show drinking game bingo
Hahaha glad you enjoyed it!
This shows energy was fantastic! Jon's vibrating with enthusiasm and passion supercharging every segment. More Jon! Well good Oli. Cheers boys - M
I toyed with the idea of submitting my bike to the Bike Vault (the blue Roubaix in the snow), but boy am I pleased that I did……Cannings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a delight to not only review my bike, but just to be there!!! Miss you John!
Thanks for the comment and love But we have a question, is it or is it not photoshopped?! It's unbelievably clean and crisp! Alex and Ollie may have to redact the supernice if it is a Photoshop, or maybe give bonus points for fooling us 😂
❤️
I propped the bike up with screwdriver, which in itself was quite challenging on the icy snow. I did indeed remove the screwdriver in Photoshop. No other editing, just the screwdriver. I photographed it using an EF 85mm f/1.4 lens, hence the awesome DoF. The real trick was to shoot it in the shadows and use fill flash, which made the bike and the gold chain pop. The color of the bike and the snow just worked. And as an FYI, on the chimney, the bike has not been ridden yet and I figured I would be making some adjustments then. (I have set it up exactly as my other road bike but I am sure there will be some refinement.) Really great to see you, sir! @@JonCannings
Great to have Jon back! My favourite video of "all time" is the one where he applied the jelly bean wrap to some forks! Absolute gem, LMAO!
Remember that!!! gcn.eu/aAI 😂
Well, I’d join a chain wax party with Warhammer afterwards… that honestly sounds like the most fun Friday night ever 😮😊
Week 51 of asking for a “The UCI has no jurisdiction here” T-shirt
Can you not be happy with the return of Jon? 👀
@@gcntechit's not "either-or". It's "yes, and".
Keep on asking, create a meme
@tertiaryeel2066 I gave you a shout out!
Um, GCN, didn't you ask him to keep asking until he got a shirt? 😂
Jon!!!! Jon it is great to have you back even if only for bit. Please don't make it so long next time!
Haha! Maybe again! Ollie and Alex are doing a fine job!
Cannings with the cowbell was hilarious! I needed that.😂
It's all fun and games until someone pulls a muscle in their shoulder 👀
thanks! It was good fun!
Missed Jon so much!!!
Probably the best gcn tech presenter ever!
If only I can Superlike this video, because of OG Jon! Before I was subscribed to GCN and was fumbling with bike maintence, it was Jon's video which I binged on.
Awesome to see an adaptive bike in the bike vault especially when it gets a SUPER NICE OG bell ring. Legend making dreams come true
I got a fever...and the only cure is more Jon Cannings!
haha! I'm not sure about that! Alex and Ollie are a bloody good cure too!
Missed Jon. Double fist bump for the Specalized gold chain just shows the enthusiasm the man has for tech! Legend!!!
Many thanks. The tech show is in great hands of Alex and Ollie though. They are kicking arse!
JON CANNINGS! So excited about this show!
haha, thanks for the comment, it was a fun one!
28:15 when Angus returns to the show I fully expect him to ring the bell with this degree of vigor and intensity. Anything less would be a self betrayal. Jon has upped the ante!
Great to see Jon and his enthusiasm!
Lets take a second to feel for the bell 🔔
many thanks! It was really nice of Ollie to give me a call and say "Cuthbert is on holiday, do you fancy being on the show?". It was a pleasure. I love watching Alex and Ollie and maybe I can give them a hand in the future, but they are doing a bloody good job without me!
The Cannings Cameo has made my day. Good to see you again, Jon!
Great to see the legend return
"I'm not monochromatic" ... I laughed so hard.
So did i
Jon is back! I was wondering why I saw the letters JC on my toast this morning :)
haha! Hopefully it wasn't burnt!
In the tea too?
Glad to see you again, Jon! You were my favourite tech presenter by far! Ollie is wrong about dissing that bikepacking setup. It's not precarious at all. If you lean a loaded bike to a tree or a wall by the saddlebag, it's very stable and is in no risk of falling at all.
Ollie lured me into the precarious situation and my hands were tied... He does that to people! 😂
JON!!! Great too see you again!!! Miss ya mate! PLEASE COME BACK IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA!!!
Cannings being back makes me unbelievably happy.
What a great presenter Jon is, he should be in front of the camera much more often😊
🤗 those days are behind me! besides, Ollie & Alex are doing a much better job! 🫶
Nonsense, you are a legend!😊
getting rid of the weight limit would make bikes even more expensive, for consumers and pro teams.
Great point! Maybe that's the rule we have to look at? Should the pro kit be out of reach form the general public, like in F1 👀
Was looking for this comment. Totally agree!
Great to see Mr Jon C back presenting again!!
Great move ... one of the best presenters ever ... A connoisseur .... There are some good presenters .. but for the Tech Show this is the best one.
I think that now you have a great team presenters ... Thanks ...
So GREAT to see Jon again!!!
Thank you so much for being on the show this week, Jon. We all have missed you. ❤❤❤
Jon! So happy to see you on the Tech Show!!!
Thanks. It was amazing and it was Ollie's idea. So I booked some time out from fixing the uploader and being a GCN MegaBase tour guide to help out.
Back to business as usual next week for the dynamic duo!
Jon bringing some true 'big bell energy' to the bike vault this week.
Great to see him on the show as well, we love you Jon!!
Thanks! Although, I fear my old shoulder injury has resurrected itself! Ollie and Alex can get those work places injuries from now on! 😂
@@JonCannings Let Ollie ring the bell then. We love your enthusiasm on the show. Your emotional investment into the sport is very obvious and lovely to see.
"Friday chain waxing party, and a bit of Warhammer after". Yup...you hit PEAK nerd, Ollie. 😆
Sustaining road bike passion AND Warhammer ?? No way this can be done financially
Great to see Mr. Cannings back for a cameo!
Jon is back and that makes me happy!!!
Best episode in the recent years!
I like Ollie and Alex, but no one can replace Jon.
Thanks for the special appearance, Jon!
I dunno about that. Alex and Ollie are brilliant!
nice to have jon back, and all of the car nerdery - he mentioned 'R53' and when you mention chassis codes, that is proper nerdery. love it.
Haha! Yep, love a bit of car chat!
Ollie if GCN gave you and Arthur more annual leave we could get to see more of Jon on the tech show, great to see him back
haha! Crikey, what a show. It was really nice of Ollie to check if I wanted to come on and help him. It's a tough act to follow, Ollie and Alex are an ace pairing! 🫶
Great to see you back, JC!
So great and ironic to see Jon back. I needed to bleed my sram brakes, watched his guide and missed the good old days.
I miss how John talks about the bikes and tech in the bike vault and not just weather they have been photographed correctly, more of this please!!
I always looked forward to Jon's maintenance videos. I'm glad to see him back. I hope he does more cameos.
28:18 - JON’S “I RING THE BELL!!” IS THE BEST GCN MOMENT EVER.
Nah, surely not?!
Newest bell clip: John screams "RING THE BELLLLLLL!" With maniac eyes
👀🔔🔉
Great to see Jon back!!! He's well within the top 3 all-time best presenters list. Bring back Matt (#1 in the humour category), pair them up with Si and you have the all-star team. Ollie, you're a close 4th with competition from Emma and Chris.
As for the issue of UCI weight limit, I have a different opinion. Set a min system weight, similar to F1, where riders and machine must comply with regulations. This would promote healthier fitness and be more representative of society as a whole. My suggestion would be 90 or even 100 kg total systems min. weight. This would level the field. What do you think??!
Thanks for your kind words, honestly, all the presenters are doing amazing! 🫶
Yes, I agree, I've argued this for years......
Good to see Jon again and that he's been reading the comments.
I love the comments! Always interesting to read the views of our amazing viewers!
Really happy to see Jon back on the channel. I learned so much about maintenance from him. Great times.
Aww thanks! The guys are doing an amazing job with the channel 👍👍❤️❤️👋👋
re: horse racing... (I'm no expert, but...) the jockeys are weighed, then weights (lead shot) are added to the lighter jockeys' saddle to match the heaviest jockey's weight. That's the way I understand it, anyway.
edit: the jockeys are weighed together with their saddles and it's the combination weight that is to be matched
Yes, that's it more or less; if the minimum weight for the horse to carry is 58k, and the jockey is 55kg, then he'll add 3kg of lead; whereas if the jockey is 58kg, he won't carry anything......
The problem I have with the horse racing thing is that the more a horse wins, the more weight they make him carry. It’s cruel torture to the horses. Imagine if they did that in cycling Pogacar and Vingegaard would have to race wearing loaded weight vests! It does no good for the sport, only to the mob bookies.
Brilliant to see John back his passion is infectious. 😊
Smaller riders suffer from the weight limit however they benefit from being more aero. It's give and take
I think they argue that because of 700c they don't benefit as much as they should.
Smaller riders being ‘more aero’ is an interesting point. Overall yes, they are more aero in terms of CdA, however in relative terms smaller riders are less aero that bigger riders. A rider that is twice as large is not twice as aerodynamically inefficient. Assuming the relative position remains the same, bigger riders are at a relative advantage - probably explains the w/CdA of hour time triallists meaning they’re generally taller, stronger riders
The bike is a higher % of their system weight, which is an arbitrary imposition, as they could be riding a lighter bike. They might be more aero, but they're still disadvantaged on the flat because strength is proportional to the cube of rider's height, whereas air resistance is proportional to the square of that, (all other things being equal). To be fair, I think smaller riders should be allowed lighter bikes, but I'm biased.
And yet, smaller riders have to put out more watts to keep the same speed on flats as bigger riders...so....it's hardly give and take. It's basic common sense...the only reason the rule exists is because of safety...and yet it fails to acknowledge that lighter riders don't need as much reenforcement as bigger riders. % of rider. Simple. If anything it might stop eating disorders because the w/kg helps smaller riders who likely suffer from eating disorders and not the big diesels that tend to carry more weight.
Loved seeing Jon again. Come back Jon!!
In 2000, a pro level frame set was around 1.7kg, but it's not uncommon for them to be half that weight these days, so there's definitely scope for lowering the uci limit by at least a kilo and keeping the same "safety standards" brought about by weight limits...
Love the show! As an ex-pro swimmer that got into biking, totally agree with you, most swimmers suck at anything else but swimming...
Thank you for AWESOME content.
We're sure you don't suck at cycling 😊 Thanks for watching the show!
Ow wow. Jon is back i surely miss him. So nice to see him again. Hopefully i can see a video of gcn reunion. It would be 🔥🔥🔥
i missed thourough tech advise by Jon 😥...take his own time & never felt rushed
Having seen Ollie run in the past, the thought of him doing a Tri is frankly hilarious 😂😂 Great show guys. Awesome to see Jon again👍👍
Ollie's running is categorically one of the worlds funniest things
From that classic cyclocross episode in which Ollie was so obviously heartbroken to find himself in Belgium during the winter with No Waffles to be found. The horror of it!
He was pretty quick, and a much better swimmer than most triathletes.
Awesome to see Jon back!
Thanks, for one week only!
He'll do anything for a free lunch 🥪
Great to see the weasel Jon Cannings back. He'll know what I'm talking about
Haha. WEASEL
John definitely needs to be a regular feature ✊🏾✊🏾
Fun to have Jon back for a bit. Enjoyed this one!
About the stem on the Specialized: it could be the rider is trying a shorter reach without lowering the stack. I’ve done it this way in the past, before buying a new stem.
What would really improve coverage is a Global Network for Cycling + Racing. Maybe it would be a reasonably priced annual subscription or something...
On the subject of the weight limit, while ofc components have evolved to be strong enough and UCI legal, making it possible to build a sub-6.8kg bike, the limit is still a (relatively) good thing for bike prices. Even on world tour teams, some bikes would be immensely more expensive between the lightest UCI legal, and a more "traditional" bike. There is already around a 10 000€/$/£ difference between the cheapest and most expensive bike on world tour events. Without a weight limit, it would almost certainly be way higher than that.
Mr Cannings, welcome back to the hot seat sir. Outstanding, proper pro! Great to see you back for a short swansong!
Many thanks!
I like the Spinal Tap grading on the sole stiffness of those Van Rysel shoes!
yeah, but it’s two stiffer! 😂
@@oliverbridgewood3929I wonder if Stiffler from American Pie likes a stiffer shoe?!
6:46 "Time has moved on. It's the year 2000" (Jon Cannings, 29 feb 2024)
Gelled hair, bootcut jeans, stinking of CKone and probably finished off with a white belt. I was a catch!
the way i cheered when Jon came out
😂😂
I love seeing Jon back on the Tech Show!
Thanks ❤
Jon is totally right! The faster a horse is the more weight he must carry! This is totally unfair! "In horse racing, each race specifies a set weight that all participating horses must carry. This weight is determined by the Jockey Club, which sets a ‘scale of weights’ typically ranging from 113 to 118 pounds."
Phew! I knew that there was something to do with weights and horses. My partner told me all about it when I mentioned it yesterday evening off the back of filming the show!
I think the idea is to make the races harder to predict & hence more interesting to bet on. Actually that could be fun for the TDF. Give Tadej & Jonas an extra 10 lbs to carry
I enjoyed having Jon as a guest! Hopefully it’s not just a one time only event
Hi! I quite fancy a 24hr live bikevault broadcast with Alex and Ollie
John Canning - always the best Tewch presenter very knowledgeable
Great to see that Jon is alive and kickin, he's very good at that presenting thingy. Now all you guys have to do to make life even greater is resurrect GCN+ and the world of cycling will be even better. So more Jon and Cillian, bring GCN+ back and start up Stop riding upgrades, Buy upgrades again. That's something else i miss.
Crikey! You don't ask for much do you?!
Bring back John :) we've missed him. There was always something very believable about the things he said on tech. Please don't make it a for 1 week only" thing
RING THE BELLLL!!!! :D Dude! John has me laughing so hard! Glad y'all have fun with this segment.
Rumour has it the ringing of that bell is still filling the rooms of GCN HQ 🔔
It was always one of the funniest things to present. I'd love to do a 24hr BikeVault Special, LIVE on TH-cam!
@@JonCannings I'm demented enough to watch that. It seems to be most people's favourite segment anyway.
As you can tell from all the comments, we'd also love to see you back on here more often.
But we'd settle for once or twice a year as a surprise guest, like this episode.
@@hes_no_rocketsurgeon surrrrrrrrrrprise!
Loved watching Jon Canning plural again!
@joncannings - those Delta brakes were a challenge to set up...I used to solder the cable before final setting of the clamp screw to keep it from fraying
Tell me about it. The beauty hidden away inside of the brakes. I love them
Well that was a nice surprise and blast from the past! So nice to see you, even if it was for this one episode,Jon! That epic bell ringing has been missed! Hope you can make more surprise appearances in the future!
Hi! Thanks for the comment we thought it would be a nice surprise whilst Alex was away on holiday - besides, I couldn't leave Ollie all alone! Maybe every now and then I can come along and help out Alex and Ollie, who knows!
Great Tech Show today. I've never seen such enthusiastic bell ringing in my life. Great job John..👍
Thanks Peter ❤️
So great to see Jon back in front of the camera - that gets a SuperNice from me! Pity he couldn't do the tech show more often.
JC rises again, and it's not even Easter. Welcome back Jon, brilliant to see you.
👋
I see what you did there with JC and Easter. Very good!
My ears still haven't recovered
what about my bloody shoulder!
You two have never sounded older 🧓 We will run you both a bath now and get you tucked in nice and early 😉
I think this guy with the bell should definitely be part of the team!
28:38 Photo Bomb: Look closely, the Bianchi, there appears to be 'something' growing out of the top of the right shifter's head, reminiscent of vintage non-aero shifters! Of course it's only part of the tree!
I think the formula 1 comparison is quite à propos here. If they were to get rid of the 6,8 kg rule, and replace it with more stringent rigidity and resilience tests (not dissimilar to preseason crash tests in F1), they would both 1) insure a high level of safety for riders (higher actually than with a simple minimum weight limit…) and 2) they would allow for a totally new dimension of mechanical sports that is missing from road cycling, but is very important in Motorsports, which is the importance of engineering and technology development in the overall performance of the team. That would make cycling even more interesting to watch, increasing competition amongst top bike manufacturers, and to be honest, it wouldn’t even necessarily go the way of lighter and lighter and lighter bikes, it could take a totally different path ! But even if it does go the lightweight way, well it would be quite alright, thanks to the severe rigidity tests. So yeah, I’m all for it.
The truebike is something I have been considering. Have a elite Drivo 2, which doesn't have that motor assist which makes going downhill a pain 😉
Jon is great, super to see him again!
Ringing the bell with true purpose. Oh, how I've missed that. Music to my ears, Jon!!
34:10 is the funniest GCN Tech moment I've ever seen.
Great to see Jon back on the show 👍
"I never did get [those coins] back off him either. Yeah, he's from up your neck of the woods, init he?" Was that a subtle dig at the... uh ... *frugal* nature of folks from Yorkshire, Jon? 😉
It's great to see you back in front of the camera again. Still waiting for that Cannings all-vintage Bike Vault episode.
Haha. You guessed right! 😂😂 He had about £20 worth of 🪙 in a sock in the seat tube 😂
Come on now, Jon deserves some stint back into the GCN Tech channel - not necessarily the weekly Tech show but probably some old school tech shenanigans!
Great to see Jon back next to tri oly 😁