Update on Type 054B, the next Chinese super frigate
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- New evidence shows the Type 054B is under construction at China's Hudong-Zhonghua Shipyard. Relative to its predecessor the Type 054A, the 054B will have massively improved anti-submarine and air warfare capabilities.
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Keywords: PLAN, PLA Navy, Chinese Navy, modern warships, naval technology, Chinese military, FFG, Iver Huitfeldt class, Jiangkai II, Type 054, YJ-18, HHQ-16, HHQ-16F, surface combatants
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One thing people need to keep in mind is cost. The 054B does not need to be capable in every aspect of naval warfare. It has a specific role within a fleet, and that is anti-submarine warfare (ASW). For air defense, there are 052DL and 055 for that.
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So essentially a smaller version of the 52D with the same weapons and radar! Damnnnnn! Go PLA navy!
The UVLS does indeed seem like the best way to future-proof the 054B as well as the best justification for the jump in expected weight to 6000 tons.
The older cells would've likely kept the design to the older 5000 tons expected weight, depending on the weight of newer equipment and powerpack.
so the VLS expanded to 56 or 64 launchers??
According to some sources said 054B has 2 meter wider than its predessor and based on the Chinese 850mm width VLS so 2 meters width addition is enough for 16 more VLS at the front and 16 at the back compared to current 32 at the front.
@@miguellines5907 052d already have 64 uvls, why made another class with same armaments.
My take would be 32 hq16 vls cells, like the 054A. And 8 yj-18 like the 054A but in Uvls.
Then the engine would upgrade to gas plus diesel, the radar upgrade, the bigger navy gun and possibly two helicopter hangers since its primary role is anti sub.
The two meters wider is more likely to be able to have two helicopter hangers.
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And morethan 12 meter longer length also for 6 heli hangar at once??
I mean according to some sources said 054A is 134 meter length while 054B is 148 meter length.
Or maybe the hybrid engine that you mentioned needs to take/eat a lot of spaces??
Sorry, i'm really confused because i'm a former worker in shipyard before.
@@miguellines5907 nope, I said there won't be 64 uvls, as 052D already have 64 uvls. There is no need for two class with similar capabilities.
And also, I took work in Singapore keeper shipyard before the corruption and scandal and other shits happened there. (although we don't build ship there)
Ship building wasn't really profitable now, glad that I'm not in shipbuilding now.
Edit: reading though I get what you mean, now. The ship is 50% larger than 054A. But won't it still be better just build 052D😕
From what I heard the plan was unhappy about the speed of the 054A which make it unable too keep up with carrier groups, changing CODAD to CODLAG. And the z-20 is longer than ka28, with two hangers I thinks the displacement and hull size would be just right.
I still expect it to be armed with 32 hq-16 and 8 yj-18.
It's not a frigate, it's a super frigate! lol
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Your pronunciation of the Chinese shipbuilders is spot on.
If I remember correctly, he's Taiwanese or Taiwanese descent.
@@TL-fe9si Right.
because he is a chinese propaganga shill
@呱呱呱 😂😂😂他是台灣人。
It's because he's Chinese
excellent analysis.
another great video with deep dive analysis!
Great lines..and nice freetboard for a Frigate..👍
Another insightful, logical and educated analysis based on existing data and purposes of such ships. Thanks bro.
Much appreciated
@@EurasiaNaval I'm Chinese and just so sick and tired of channels trashing China with allegations without a single shred of verifiable evidence to back it up. I know China is not perfect but no one is. Not even in hindsight!
054B will be ocean-going with the 055 destroyer.And 054A will be matched with 052D.Play the role of goalkeeper in Xitaiping, Nanhai.
yes the biggest problem with the 054A is that its top speed can't keep up with the fleet.
great content! thanks
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This type 054B appears to be a good match, if not better, against the Japanese Mogami-class frigate and the South Korean Daegu-class frigate.
Great video, couldn’t agree more so on the Universal VLS, I believe the 054B will rival the Admiral Gorshkov, and that’s saying a lot! It’s also going to have two VLS areas, from my understanding, there’s no way there would be that much room fore without a VLS cell, and the area on the aft section appears to be a VLS. That said, there are several depictions showing it with one and others with two VLS cells, time will tell…
Thanks JD, and we shall see. I should have probably noted that the most recent Chinese weibo rumours called for the H/AJK-16 VLS for the 054B, but most of the prominent PLAN watchers (not me!) are holding their view at a UVLS, based on their views regarding capability requirements.
China have built a very impressive navy, and it continues to grow rapidly. I've heard the argument that they have no experience of navy on navy combat, but no country have actually had that experience since WW2 on a large scale!!
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In today's battlefields, weapons especially ships and planes need to be of acceptable quality and have an unholy quantity, quantity is the name of the game now, smaller more numerous ships and planes/drones as conventional warfare is a warfare of attrition.
perhaps this is actually a small destroyer designed to replace the 052
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Just this other one, friend: www.youtube.com/@NavalEnthusiast
How many Type 054 and Type 054A are currently in service with the PLA Navy?
I think that 2 x Type 054 and 32 x Type 054A plus at least 6 more 054A being built or on trials etc (I have also seen the figure of 44 x Type 054A will be eventually built for the PLA Navy, but different sources have different figures).
The Type 054A are already good vessels that any navy would be proud to operate, but the Type 054B will be a great addition to the PLA Navy, especially when they are likely to be built in large numbers.
According to wikipedia, 30 active with 50 planned 054A's.
There's probably more as wiki tends to be outdated with this type of info.
At least 40 54A were launched already
There in lies the problem what does china do with a bunch of still very new and capable warships that don't really have a role to serve anymore. I know they sent all the 056s to the coast guard but a 4000ish ton frigate, even if its been demilitarised is overkill for the coastguard
40 units are launched, and according to Chinese language wiki, 37 are commissioned (although my impression was that the active number is a little lower than that, with the last photo evidence I've seen showing no.34 Yixing being commissioned). I heard that the last 10 units or something of the originally planned 50 054A frigates have been cancelled, due to the construction of the 054B.
@@EurasiaNaval Once the 054B is mass-produced, assuming it's not an experimental type ship, PLAN can then transfer some older 054A to the coast guard or sell them to other countries in need of modern ships, at a reasonable price of course
The 54B is developing on the field tested 54A hull. The PLAN did not waste money like the now canceled and scrapped US Navy's Littoral Class ship or the Zimwalt programs wasting over two decades of time and money.
UVLS can also quad pack medium SAM to increase firepower...
Eurasia excelent tube
Cool accent! Is it simulated?
sir, please talk about ASROC missiles belonging to the USA Navy.... what are the advantages and how are they applied... thank you, sir
Where does this 054B sit in between 054A frigate from China and Tughril Class frigate from Pakistan? Also in comparison to the Western Frigates...which would be an equivalent of Tughril and 054B?
054B>Tughril>054A>054
054B is necessary to be fast enough to track and chase submarines that are getting faster with latest engines.
Moreover, a multi-purpose frigate is more effective to defend China huge coastal line.
Especially, the 2nd island chain in which most of the American fortified and militarized islands are located.
China needs at least 50 units 054B to defend the 2nd island chains.
It will free 052D to defend China further than the 2nd island chains such as the Lombok Straits and Straits of Malacca.
We will know soon which VLS, to me both seem right? I dont know the cost of the systems but the PLAN looks to me like the Frigates will continue to be built in large numbers...I mean Chinese large numbers. So cost effective would be number one. Rather thats the large VLS economy of scale or the smaller I cant say. IMHO While frigates may operate far from home I would think they would be with groups in any heightened security environment so they would have longer range heavier weapons on 052 and considering they will be making many more 052... I think it will come back to cost. HQ16f at 160km also helps out. Not sure there is a need to build a slightly smaller 052? However there is a need to build a better 054.... I will bet on hq16
Im really amazed at how quickly china is advancing in naval shipbuilding, in the span of 20 years china went from 70s soviet knockoffs to cutting edge. When the 054B launches it will likely be everything the Constellation class the US has planned wants to be, except on budget and several years earlier.
@@hughmungus2760 Yes they have come a long way and fast...very fast. I would also add to the list you made ...with many more built...By the Time the US has 10 frigates China will have 20 of the 052b, not to mention another dozen or so of the last batch A's
You make some fair points in support of the HQ-16F, and I discussed these arguments in the video, because there's real merits to them. Latest weibo rumours also lean towards the HQ-16 family, although most PLAN watchers are not yet convinced.
The 054B equip WZ-20 helicopter marine version in the future, the capability of anti-submarine will be max upgraded.
Most porbably she will have 1 large caliber main gun 100-130 mm and 2 UVLS areas, one in the bow and one mid ship for a total of at least 64 UVLS.
Sounds good, let's get 32 of this first.
*Another very informative video! Thanks!!*
So the 054B doesn't have ANY anti-ship missiles?!
It will carry the YJ-18 at minimum, IMO, it will definitely have SSM capabilities.
Unsure at this stage. I argue for the YJ-18, but we will have to see. Another possible loadout is deck-mounted YJ-12, although this could complicate coordination with the destroyers' anti-ship missiles, as alluded to in the video.
@@EurasiaNaval Type 051B has been revealed to carry 16 deck-mounted YJ-12A, with a range of 400-500Km, but it's only the third most powerful anti-ship missile in PLAN.
I should expect 054B to at least carry YJ-12A, if going with deck-mounted, if go with UVLS, then YJ-18
用途不一樣，054B護衛艦主要用來封鎖海峽和反潛，因為造價低廉，可以大量裝備中國海軍，而且退役後可以交給海岸警備隊繼續服役。而防空交給052DL和055型驅逐艦。
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nah, 海峽問題啥的054A 甚至coastguard都能用。 升級054B 主要目的是提速了之後可以隨航母出遠門， 因爲054A太慢 作爲航母外圍的船就算不能比30節快， 起碼也要有30節。 052 055 都是攻擊爲主的艦艇 而且由於船體太長，敏捷度不高 不可能放在外圍。 肯定是價格便宜的054B 主攻外圍索敵任務。
坤坤 054B应该是用于远洋和航母一起跑的 近海054a够用了
Wonder how long does it take China to build one? Or rather how many can China build in a year if desperately needed?
反正比美国快哦
How is china's anti close to surface missiles capability
Pakistan just bought 4 units of 054AP, are they going to order the 054BP in the near future ?
Personally, looking at the size, my guess would be, 32 cells of hq-16, and 8 uvls cells of yj-18. Same as 054A.
But 054B have better radar, bigger navy gun and possibly double helicopter hangers. And faster speed with gas and diesel engine.
having an integrated electric transmission would free up quite abit of space and weight so you might be able to fit 16 cells in the back
It's possible that a mix of H/AJK-16 VLS and UVLS would be used, with the latter primarily for YJ-18 capacity, as you say (although note this is not present on the 054A). I think it would be a disadvantage in terms of logistics, future-proofing, and system standardisation in general, however.
@@EurasiaNaval YJ-18 would be a great fit for 054B, as the YJ-83 on 054A is somewhat slow.
Do you think it's possible for future 054 class frigates to be even large, maybe 7000 tons, to have 48 all UVLS cells?
Where do you get such information may I ask?
Hmmmm its a good question 😂 almost like someone gives it to them to get them to talk up their tech...
#eurasia so more or less 54B is 54A/P.......The first video u made abt improvements on 54A are almost the same improvements Pakistan got for her 54A/P. Same improved radar, anti ship capability etc minus the extended hull for better helicopters and SAMs etc
maybe they'll have some kind of laser or missles, since it's likely that they'd focus on one of these two and a laser would be a reasonably strong air defence system to have only this as a main weapon. However it's unlikely they have a laser working so well that they can discard other system. So maybe missles or maybe a second system will be added somewhere. I seriously doubt only one system will be installed all of these speculation seems kind of fishy but might actually turn out true
There are no ship based lasers today that can work as air defence against missiles, the ones that exist are against asymmetric threats and drones, to build a laser against missiles you need to much power.
Wouldn't it be funny if its in prep for a rail gun?
damn i didnt know binkov battlefields had a secret channel
Interesting development. Any impact of this new development on the Pakistani Type 54 A/P project and its upcoming two remaining units?
probably not. The Pakistani project was set in stone years ago and the remaining units should be in production already. The 054B will probably have technology that is not ready for export.
054ap belongs to Pakistan's customized destroyer, and Pakistan customizes the ship type according to its needs in some equipment that can be selected.
Don't believe so - highly unlikely imho.
Just imagine china launching 50 of these war machines 🥺
So…. It’s basically just a slightly smaller and less capable Type 052d then.
Should be much capable than 052D based on its integrated electric propulsion system/IEPS (more speed and more electrical energy sources).
Make a video about nilgiri class frigate
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@EurasiaNaval: Sounds to me that the 054B becomes a large frigate/small destroyer. What do you think does this imply for the future of the 052? Will they become less important and frequent in the mix or will future subclasses of 052 and 055 become even larger? (e.g. more VLS for both and 2 helicopters for the 052).
Feels like 2nd series of 055 will have all electric propulsion and be slightly larger. 052 will either get a lot bigger to the common 8000~10000 range or be replaced by a new series with all electric propulsion in the 8000~10000 range. The hull shape of 052 is pretty old and originally for a much lighter ship so likely more efficiency gain to completely redesign the hall with all electric propulsion
@@Peizxcv 052D will terminate at 35 or 37 units (i dont remember exatly but around that number)
052D will likely remain the workhorse AA guided missile destroyer, with multiple secondary roles for the PLAN. 055 is great and all but likely too expensive to build in large numbers and probably only use in escorting PLAN's carrier fleets and in intense front line situations that demand the most powerful assets. So the 052D still has a role in being the "cruiser", independent, long range, multi-role warship that can patrol large areas and still able to exert China's presence. 054B is likely to serve more as an ASW within a squadron or in a carrier fleet, or if needed, hunt submarines independently near China's coastlines.
In my view, there will no doubt still be a an important role for the Type 052D and its subvariants. Even if the 054B can use the HQ-9B, the AAW destroyers still have key advantages over the smaller frigate in the AAW role. The 052D will have a much greater number of UVLS cells, and a more powerful suite of volume search radars. The 052D radars are much larger in terms of array size, provide near-instantaneous 360 degree coverage (as opposed to the fast rotating dual-faced AESA on the 054B), and from the 052DL onwards they purportedly have greater anti-stealth capability, albeit they are mounted lower. This may suggest that multiple 052Ds should have an easier time tracking stealth aircrafts at medium to long ranges than multiple 054Bs. Also, recall UVLS are not of the same size. The 052D will have more 9m cells that can accomodate the YJ-18 as well as the long-range SAMs, providing more flexibility in mission loadout.
Giving prevailing usage of UAV and
Loitering munition in Ukraine war. I would put more HQ-16 missles and better AA guns on my my frigate if I were PLAN.
VLS based missiles might not be very useful or cost effective against UAVs, the HQ10 would be better for those
Just aa good means the Chinese version is better. The Europeans navies
Went into the South China Sea to intimidate China and were themselves intimidated by the shear numbers and modernization of the Chinese navy. Keep trying, Russia isn’t buying either.
theres a strong reason why the US doesn't want to do a show of force in the taiwan straits these days. Not because they're worried china might actually open fire (china isn't that reckless), but because the image of the 7th fleet being flanked by a much larger and more modern PLAN would be PR suicide.
I think the PLA just wants to extend the hall about 6-10 meters for the medium helped Z-20
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It is looked paper mockup.
Honestly, I never like the descriptive "super" for anything, especially for military hardware. It's an emotive, and uninformative word that is typically used by media to "click bait" laypeople - SUPER FIGHTER, SUPER DESTROYER, SUPER NUKE, SUPERCOWABUNGASPACELASER. You get the idea. It's amateurish language. Nowadays, it is also used satirically or mockingly. Use better descriptions like "large", or "more advanced version" which are also more truthful and more professional and gets straight to the point.
I can't take it seriously when someone use SUPER something.
I thought I should respond, given you are one of the longtime viewer and patron. From the point of view of the creator, an effective video title needs to meet many criteria - it should be preferably short (as few words as possible), simple, and attention-grabbing. This means a lot of restrictions on the choice of words to use. I'm not saying 'super' is necessarily the most appropriate word, but the word does capture several concepts, like size, power, and advancement. Indeed, 'super' can be many things to many people - and not all positive, as you point out. Maybe there's a better word than super that achieves the same thing, but I hope it is a bit clearer why super is so often used, or overused if you will.
If I were to be honest, a title and thumbnail are intended to be 'clickbait', in the sense that it ideally should get as many clicks as possible. Click rate is one of the criteria for TH-cam to promote your video. Sometimes, 'clickbait' can backfire when the video does not deliver what the title promises to the viewer, and the viewer stops watching early as a result - that is bad. But, as long as the video delivers to some extent, having high click rate is obviously beneficial.
Again, I don't know if 'super' is the best word, but there's a reason why it is so often used. I don't think I use it that often, and it certainly is not one of my go-to words. Cheers
@@EurasiaNaval That's fair. Cheers.
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I look at the design of "modern warships," and I wonder. So much talk of various capabilities! I see a hull packed full of things that burn very well. Hits count! How many will it take? Before a "capable warship," is transformed into a burning hulk?
How exactly will the various missiles systems actually perform in battle? If everything works as intended? How long can battle last before stocks of missiles are expended? What then? Do the warships then retire to restock their missiles? I do get the perception that SAM, and Point defense capabilities will be quickly expended. Will these missiles used to shield the ships, actually work as intended?
So much pride, and boasting! So I wonder. Effective warship? Or a floating missile magnet? The world is waiting to see. One does get the perception that the Chinese government intends to put these ships to aggressive use. As a part of the new bid for empire building.
I think that ships hit with missiles in their magazines will tend to blow up, in spectacular fashion. Where as ships hit with empty magazines will tend to be salvageable. The last time a modern Chinese navy battled a modern Japanese Navy. The Chinese ships fired counterfeit shells! Before being sunk. The whole world laughed. So? We will see.
You know everything you said applies to every other modern warship on the planet right?
@@903IDFOLEY Did you think that I meant something else?
I have studied a lot of Naval history and warfare. I know that how a battleship actually performed in battle. Was not what people expected before WW-II. Everyone thinks they know how these new ships will perform in battle. Moskva is a great example. Her guns and missiles were supposed to shield the ship from being hit. They didn't. One hit, started a fire that doomed the entire ship. For a big expensive warship? That's not acceptable.
Battleship armor waa supposed to make battleships hard to sink. The armor offered some protection from gunfire. But it wasn't as good as expected. Armor was useless against a fire, or explosions that caused progressive flooding. Battleships got very big and very expensive to build. But, they caught fire and sank, much too easily. So no one builds battleships anymore.
In the Falklands war, the A-4 Skyhawk was supposed to be obsolete. Yet A-4 skyhawks got more hits on Royal Navy ships, than Exocet missiles. The only reason more Royal Navy ships weren't sunk. Was because Argentina was using bombs manufactured during WW-II! Harrier jump jets were not supposed to be able to shoot down supersonic fighters, but they did. The Exocet anti-ship missiles were supposed to dominate the battle. Atlantic Conveyer was sunk by a missile that was fired at HMS Invincible. HMS Sheffield wasn't ready for battle. When two Exocet missiles were fired. Hitting an undefended ship! Exocet missiles are supposed to be better than that. China's new navy LOOKS very impressive and capable. Yet, it's been more than eighty years since a truly major naval battle has been fought at sea. Testing modern weapons is expensive. USS America CV-66, was towed out for target practice. An old rusty, and obsolete carrier ready for scrapping. The ship was completely undefended. The weapons used to sink the America didn't. So USS America CV-66 was scuttled at sea. People think that they know how actual battles will be fought. We will see.
@@903IDFOLEY In 1941. The US Navy's Mk-14 torpedo was considered to be an effective and deadly weapon. Weapons testing was expensive, and people hadn't spent the money for proper testing. So hundreds of defective torpedoes were fired. By the end of 1943 most of the problems were fixed. By the end of 1944, the torpedo lived up to its pre-war reputation.
Also in 1944 Japanese kamikaze planes began inflicting heavy casualties on US Navy ships. Anti ship missiles were inspired by the Kamikaze planes. There have been a few and rare incidents involving their use.
At the end of WW-II, the Tarter, Terrier and Talos missile systems were developed. Too late for the war. The were used against Vietnamese and Korean aircraft. Talos was ended by the SALT treaty. Terrier and Tarter were updated and upgraded to SM-2 and SM-1 missiles, in the 1980s. Today's advanced versions of the standard missiles. Have a performance history going back more than 50 years. The Chinese have a similar missile. Some think is better. So? How many hostile aircraft has it shot down? How many hostile warships have Chinese missiles sunk? The last time a "modern" Chinese navy fought. They used counterfeit weapons in battle. That was more than 100 years ago.
I wonder how corrupt Chinese commanders are now.
@@PendKrMustar I recently saw a story about Chinese service men using solid rocket fuel. Stolen from Chinese missiles for a hot pot feast! Some things never change. One wonders when these formidable looking ships will find their way to the sea floor. After all, the ecology of the south China sea needs more reefs for fish to thrive.
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Type-054A isn't destroyer
I was watching Grim Reaper's simulation between US LRASM stealth anti-ship missiles against HHQ series, and these Chinese SAMS don't work very well against these stealth missiles.
It's a just DCS simulation with a tonne of user mods.
It's a fun channel, but no one actually knows for real how all this stuff willl work relative to each other.
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What’s the odds that the gun will be a railgun
Railgun will only on 055 and other larger warships.
But lasergun maybe
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They'll be fish food in 2075 when Australia finally gets it's new Submarines.
Let's just hope the Chinese don't retire them before then!
2075 !!!
2075, the ocean at south china sea are full of submarine drone that seek the invader subsmarines 😂😂😂
In 2075 US imperialism wouldn’t even think 🤔 of messing with the CPC!
Australia ?...the new superpower ?...good joke...
There might not be a Australia in 2075 🤣
Oh no! Anyway...
Usually substandard quality...it cannot compare with US or even Israel...
This guy has a difficulty differentiate the letter o from the number 0.
He keeps saying the number 0 as a letter o.
Watching too many Hollywood movies.
Now if you could just improve YOUR Grammar, your comment might be worth something.
Nothing wrong with that.
And your English is bad
A lot of money wasted on a green water navy. Taiwan is still out of reach. As are the world ambitions of the CCP. The days of double digit growth are over. Rust prevention is more costly than building.
U are contradicting yourself mate. Taiwan is green water unless someone moved that island into the Pacific Ocean. China’s world ambition can’t compare with US for sure
America is in debt and wasting money building carriers and can’t fight the Chinese navy.
CCP stop 🛑 reading at that point!
Taiwan has always been an internal issue of China, which can be resolved peacefully and politically, and is close to the mainland.. For a long time, Taiwan has only been a card for the United States to split China against China. There will be more competition between China and the United States... And China will be stronger, and American hegemony will decline. Time is on China's side.. So China will not take the initiative to solve the Taiwan issue militarily.... Development has always been the core issue of China, while war is the issue that the United States and the West are trying to create...
I like this ship , the secondary factor is that it is a very beautiful warship, and the main factor is that I can see the worsening hysteria of anti-China hateists~🤣
Gone case,u.s.a,U ASKED FOR IT.
It's not a Chinese super frigate it's an Amerikkkan world bully carriers sinking Frigate. 😂