@@kevinzee9704 yeah well most modern navies ships aren’t combat tested. Unless counter pirate ops in the Persian gulf, Gulf of Oman, Red Sea, etc., count.
@@kevinzee9704 054A has not actually been involved in warfare, but he has been deployed overseas for over a decade without any reliability issues, and you can easily search TH-cam for videos of him visiting countries around the world and participating in an evacuation mission to Yemen in 2015.
The Type 054 family is a good tool for PLA maritime forces, hence becoming backbone for brown+green water tasks. Size, simplicity, availability, performance, all not outstanding, but decent. Actually, 4K ton to 5.5K ton displacement & 135 m to 150 m length, relatively multi-purpose warships seems to be ideal for current circumstances for most nations with coast lines. (Even newest surface warships, named FDI or FTI, for Marine National of France is in that category.)
054A series of ships are actually preparing him for use by the Coast Guard.I can tell you that the number of shipbuilding workers in China is as high as 5 million.If China is forced into wartime shipbuilding mode, it will have no problem launching 100 ships a year.
China systematically and methodically constructed a well purposed navy, the PLAN implores great versatility and IMO, the most potent surface to surface capability. Loved the discussion on the radar, the 054B will be integrated within the BG as you indicated, a support ship, the 052s and 55s will pickup the primary long range target search, acquisition, surveillance and fire control responsibilities, as will the carrier and aviation assets. I still believe they have substantial gaps in their naval based air defense and submarine force. The HQ 9/16 series just aren’t up to the task at hand, especially compared to the USN.
The PLAN is a collection of ships, inexperienced and untried, still in development. The PLAN won't be a world class Navy until it has extended "combat service" (i.e. extended operational experience far from China's shores). The Chinese lack developmental experience ( comparing equipment and personnel against actual real world experience, then tweaking gear and training), but if the CCP survives the current economic tsunami and they give themselves some time, they might be able to sail a true "Blue Water" Navy.
@@brianfoley4328 I love this koolaid. Please keep drinking it. I hope all the American leadership believe this too. This way they can stop annoying china and trying to stop China's rise.
There is a limit to how fast you can go when using a towed array.If you go too fast, you degrade the ability of the sonar to detect underwater threats and put huge amounts of strain on the ship.which may lead to cracking as on RN towed array vessels.
I don't understand why China still intends to build many more 054A while construction of 054B has already started. The late version of 054A with VDS and towed sonar array is a good ship for 1st island chain operation. Those YJ-83 may not be replaceable 1-for-1 with YJ-12 like in the DDG Shenzhen upgrade (16 x YJ-83 replaced by 16 x YJ-12) because the 054A displacement may only support 4 YJ-12.
I SUSPECT MANY GENERALS IN PLA NAVY ST!LL HAS 0LD CH!NA M!L!TARY D0CTR!NE, IT'S M0RE QUANT!TY THAN QUAL!TY, THAT'S WHY PLA NAVY ST!LL USES P00R PERF0RMANCE C0RVETTE TYPES 056!!!
Uncertain times we live in, war might break out any second, so its better to get more ships now to quickly up the numbers vs just waiting on the 054Bs to be completed.
If China would like the 54B to be true multipurpose ship, should use the 9 meters UVLS and carry also the anti ship missile. Should have enough space quad packing the medium range AA missile. Without the antiship missiles this fregate would only on the defensive side in certain scenarios.
The quadpack AA missiles are compatible with the shorter variant of the UVLS. The system was made public within a short version UVLS mock-up... The ship can have both installed. The 7 meter deep in the bow and the 9 meter deep midship inside a superstructure.
Most likely 2-4 Type 052D with 2 Type 055 to provide escort to carrier group outside China air coverage. Within China air coverage you would have less type 052D and have type 054A escort
@@MY-zj8pb He was asking 054B not 054A. With a hybrid engine and full electric integration system as similar with the type 003 surely 36 knots speed can be achieved by 054B.
@@miguellines5907 with the awful record full electric propulsions have it would be good if the ship made 32 knots real. But those 36 would be perfect as it would alow for them to move within the squadron while it sails at top speed.
It depends on what their final specification for 054B is. If 054B is another upgrade upgrade based on 054A, then it is about as good as 054A/P, maybe slightly better or worse. If it is a heavily modified 054A with a stretched hull and rearranged superstructure, then it can be moderately better than 054A/P. If it is an entirely new design, then it can be quite a bit better than 054A/P
It is a new design frigate based on the blueprint made in 2019. The blueprint once called 057 but don't know why changed to 054B. It will be an All-electric propulsion hybrid engine similar with type 003 as reported by famous chinese former military general who currently become a military expert.
the batch of 054A fleet is slated to cover the Taiwan strait and the provincial island of Taiwan and the surrounding waters.. including the eastern side.. post liberation of ROC and reunification circa or post the 2025 period... 🈶
@@cedriceric9730 lol taiwan will be blockaded from land based missiles alone and cut off from resupply. US subs operating that close to the mainland are just going to be expensive targets for MPAs
- Will thes steam turbine result in shorter range than a diesel engine? - I am a bit surprised that the Type 054B did not try to squeeze in a second helicopter to augment its anti-sub search capabilities. It would partially mitigate its lack of speed when escorting carriers. - It seems to me that this would be ideal to escort convoys, if it has the range. The PLA's greatest weakness (IMHO) has less to do with their equipment, but rather the Malacca Strait Dilemma.
I'm surprised the type 054A does not already have turbines. It should be standard to have at least a form of diesel and turbine combo in all modern warships frigate size and above.
basic design of 054 variants started in the 1990's. First 054 started construction at end of 1999. Back then, gas turbine engine wasn't something PLA could count on. Even now, I don't know if the marine gas turbine used by PLAN is compact enough for 054 sized ship.
All frigates have to slow down to use towed array sonars, this has nothing to do with diesels more to do with the drag of the array, frigates will sprint then cut power and drift when hunting subs if they want to minimise ship noise, gas turbines are better for this since they can get up to full power a lot quicker. The type 054A mounts its diesels on anti-vibration rafts which is how it achieves its noise reduction using diesels. Gas turbines are more energy dense but the ducting it needs to function eats into the above waterline space, so its swings and roundabouts wrt space efficiency. The main rationale for moving away from diesels is that they are limited in power output the 4 sets used in the 054A is what limits its size/displacement/speed and there aren't any medium speed diesels (low speed ones used on commercial shipping can be a lot more powerful but are inflexible when speed changes are required!) that are appreciably more powerful, i.e. to have a larger ship they need to move away from a diesel power plant. In short the conclusions may be correct but the rationale used to justify it is just hearsay!
this frigate will be perfect for ASEAN nations, S America and African nations with limited budgets but still want to obtain state of the art combat vessels without going to destroyer class ships
Very informative videos, and very thoughtful analysis. A lot of this is conjecture, but it would be nice to have links to the sources of the facts that are available.
@@EurasiaNaval Great, thanks! Edit: yeah, I see how compressing the points of 63 pages and 2 years of a forum thread into a single video saves a lot of time. Thanks for the effort (and the great analysis on top).
There is an article that said in the future there is plan to build ship with the designation of type 058 which many domestic experts guessing 20k+ ton and few even said 25k+ ton with 30k ton full load and nuclear powered.
@@miguellines5907 theres an upper practical limit you'd want to build your surface combatants. Thats why large warships like carriers and LHDs are central fleet assets and are extremely few in number. While it would be nice to have a superheavy flagship like the Kirov, its often not cost effective and a huge logistics/maintenance headache to have one unique ship that doesn't really offer that much more than 2-3 regular destroyers.
@@hughmungus2760 I know nothing about that theory because i just reply to comment according to what i read in Weibo account article. So don't blame me... Blame the Chinese military branch that gave the leakage.. 😁😁
Can we get a video on the Soviet/Russian Oscar-class submarine, as they were made to counter US carrier groups? Also, can we get a video on the Yasen class submarine as well?
Where did the info about the 100mm cannon came from? Is it logical to introduce a new caliber round in the fleet? All i have read about type 054B refer either the 76 or the 130mm cannon. Would make sense to make a compromise in the middle of both? Is the 100mm much more capable than the 76mm cannon? Is it much faster and cheaper than the 130mm?
I don't want to name the source, because it put the person under spotlight and could reduce the future supply of info to the community. I got criticized for naming someone in one of my previous videos, so hope you can understand that. But this claim does come from a fairly reputable source, and is not generally challenged by PLA watchers. It could still be wrong, of course.
@@EurasiaNaval Ok. I believe in you. You are always very well informed in China military matters. I found it odd because in various contents about the future ship I have never heard of the adoption of a 100 mm naval gun nor have came across any info regarding new development in that caliber. Great content, as always!
I think you could be right, it is too early to tell. I think personally a 130mm is a bit too big for the purpose of PLAN frigates, which is not anti-ship. The Type 054 already used a 100mm gun, so there is a precedent available relating to the same basic hull shape. But we don't know, and I probably should have been less definitive in what I said. Check out this thread www.sinodefenceforum.com/t/054b-next-generation-ffg-thread.8724/page-28#post-737198 for a discussion of the likely gun (and source of the claim) Anyway, thanks for the comments!
China builds 3 variants of naval guns which are 76,100 and 130mm , the 100mm is the most all rounder and the oldest type of caliber since the twin 100mm gun, in my view the 76mm is versatile but kind of bad for shore bombardment, 130mm is mounted on warships that will be used for frontline engagement(like the naruesuan class frigate which although small in frigate standards uses a 127mm gun due to its role) 100mm is kind of the middle of the two previously mentioned
Made from scrap metals that was once Americans old stoves, cars, refrigerators, Washing machines, meaning that the steel is weak,but the paint job looks good 👍, and the country of Taiwan doesn't want anything to do with becoming a communist country, and the South China sea will remain international waters, meaning all countries will and can send there shipping through the Taiwan straits, USA will make sure of it...along with those countries who know the CCP has zero rights to attack Taiwan , they promised to allow Hong Kong to remain free in 1997, when Britain gave it to the people of Hong Kong and the CCP then took over, in other words the CCP cannot be trusted.
At first it was planned a 2 model of smaller 055 on 052E and 054B. While 054B is under construction now there is no information about the realization of 052E.
1. Spain F110-class frigate (2020s; 2022-2027) 6100tons; 16 VLS 2. Europe FREMM (2010s; 2012-current) France 6000tons, Italy 6700tons; both 32 VLS 3. UK Type 26 frigate (2020s; 2022-2030) 6900tons; 48 VLS 4. U.S FFG(X) - Updated version of Italy's FREMM (2020s; 2022-2030) 7300tons; 32 VLS 1. Firstly for the flagship Europe's FREMM, the tonnage is slightly heavier due to the workload that France and Italy took on the Atlantic Sea and the Mediterranean Sea. 32 VLS are needed for grounded assault and anti-air needs in that settings. However, they don't need anything higher than that, because they are likely being covered by the fighter jets or the mission area has ground support. 2. Second, for the UK type 26 frigate, due to the financial crisis the Brits are having, the number of ships built won't be high. As a result, in order to max out the attack capability, the number of VLS is increased to 48. 3. Thirdly, for the U.S FFG(X), the force projection of the U.S fleets is still very huge, so the gross tonnage is the highest out of all frigates to fulfill the blue sea mission. However, the VLS won't be as high as the UK type because there is already enough fire support from other units in the fleet. 4. In the end, for the Spain F110-class frigate, due to the nature of the geopolitics around Europe, Spain doesn't need that high of attack capability. So they only got 16 VLS, but there would be enough of the frigate in the future to distribute firepower evenly in the late 2020s. However, you can see that France and Italy filter out Spain from the FREMM program, and the Brits won't be building ships with Spain too. The defense policy and the measurement of Spain's military are designated going to be more isolated from NATO. France and Italy are isolating themselves(and discriminating the Spain of course.) as a group while the UK is not even the core power of NATO. The EU's military forces are falling apart. So I understand the route and choice that Spain is making.
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This is wierd. How is it possible to conceive an anti sub ship with diesel engines only and using them during ASW op? Electric motors should be a must for ASW operations at low speed and an alternative engine should be used for speedy manuvers (eg. gas turbine engine). The best ASW ships combine at least 2 types of engines including a silent electric type (FREM). Well it looks like the 54B will fix this prob of the 54A.
To me it looks like the typical AESA radar spam and a missile and propulsion update. Unfortunately the current environment looks like China needs the numbers more than the quality so they are forced to mass produce current designs instead of developing next gen ones and we might not see it in a while, instead seeing more 054As and 052Ds. Whatever, at least we have a semi-insane simulator to have a feel of new ships! F94725D39299B5F0
It's because of the recent hybrid engine and Full electric propulsion integrated system installed on 003 to be tested on the sea before it can be implemented on other warships. After the 003 propulsion system tested on sea then the Chinese can be convince that the system can now to be installed on type 054B which later will be on 052E and 055A with the future plan of 058.
I consider this ship, like other chineese ships, is on the weak side as refer to the point of defense guns. For shore bombardment adopt a 100 mm that is weak for air defense, while the ideal for shore bombardmenter is the 127mm (eg. OTO MELARA w VOLCANO). For air defense the 76mm (eg. OTO MELARA RAPID) is better but it also should be used in combination with a certain amount of 30-35mm guns. This ship forgo the 76 for a 100 and has only one 30mm. The number of guns should be one 127 (for shore bombardment not for AA) a couple of 76 and two to four 30/35 (all specialized for AA and asimmetrical).
It has only a 30 mm gun but with a fire rate of 10000-11000 rounds per minute and a muzzle speed over 3000. The gun itself is more capable than anything else there is. By a lot... The radars and firing controls we Will hopefully never know.
Well ...if we look at Chinese today naval attitude I can say that is advancing in other words is catching up & slowly is closing the gab & of course the situation may get fairly worse in the near future !!! Because now china is organized & master strength & seriously attempting to become great , great power at least in the east !!! Have perhaps intensions in the future to conquered Asia !!! We can see of how quickly is building numerous naval war ships using workers fast by the hundreds enormous crowds compering as ants !!! Then what is the reason ??? Why she needs very many ??? Because she needs plenty of raw material & naval bases to guarantee her existence & of course AMERICA have to keep an eye of this development by staying constantly strong in the far east therefore to hold tight & check her advance !!!
I am Chinese, and I am very happy to participate in your discussion.I think the first thing you should be concerned about is our shipbuilding capacity.We have 3,200 shipyards, 19 of which are very large.The construction of the new generation of technology upgrades for each ship has slowed down.In fact, it doesn't take much. Ten large shipyards can build 50 large surface ships at one time if they only need ships and aircraft carriers without any problems.For example, 052 series ships and 055 large ships with mature technology levelOr is it not a problem to build three at the same time according to the technology of the third aircraft carrierAll mature weapon systems can be installed on it.
BS， china has sea battle experience since 1950s with chinese taiwan until 1970s, then china has sea battle with south vietnam, then 1988, china sunk 3 vietnamese ship, the US is the one has no much experience in real war, invading small country without navy or air force is not real experience
Thats only partial true, sure, no major naval wars involving China, on the other hand, have Japan, South Korea or USA more experiance? No, they do not...Sure, they have operated a Navy many years, on the other hand, sp have China, they have operated a Navy since the early 50s, dont know about Americans, Japanese or Europeans or werever ypu come from, but in China they learn to operate ships during that period of time...
@@tobiasbjurefjall6814 japan, south korea has no any sea battle experience in last 70 years at all, US has no much either, it invades all small nations without navy or air force, its not a experience
@@yunko9369 stop crying 😢 your doomed,your economy is poor your high speed trains are in debt to the tune of a Trillion $ & you bridge of death can only transport donkeys 😂
@@yunko9369 Yeah in the Korean war where so many Chinese got slaughtered, Against Vietnam where they got beaten send back home. I give you India tho but that is not an achievement
@@ulikemyname6744 You forgot the most important thing in a war is to achieve the objectives. US suffered many casualties taking all these islands from Japan in WWII too. But at the end, even with heavy casualties, the US was able to take control of these islands.
@@ulikemyname6744 Maybe you know more than US defense assessment. According to a report: Pentagon Assessment: China Now Has World’s Largest Navy Posted on September 1, 2020 by John M. Doyle, Seapower Correspondent ARLINGTON, Va. - The People’s Republic of China, increasing its two-decade military buildup, now has the world’s largest navy, according to the U.S. Defense Department’s latest annual assessment of China’s military capabilities.
If China was confident about it's military capabilities and the strength of it's economy it would have done something tangible about all the Western leaders visiting Taiwan. The fact that China has done basically nothing shows that the leaders in Beijing have little confidence in the Chinese nation.
This is called strategic determination in China. No matter what you think of it as cowardice or how it is, at least China has achieved the greatest results in the past conflicts at almost the best time. For example, in the border conflicts of 1962 and 1979, if Chinese policymakers really so-called 'lack of confidence in the Chinese nation', they can only say that you have completely equated China with Russia, This is the fundamental reason why countless Western viewpoints always backfire on China-related Affairs.
Typical barbarian view: "if you beleive in your military why don't you go kill people" ... I know this is what you do, sorry if you realized that makes you the bad guy 😅
The Chinese merchants know how much their customers can pay. That’s not they can’t make high quality products, simply they want maximise their profits.
It’s foolish to judge Chinese military hardware based on your experience with Chinese made consumer goods. The fact is that the quality of Chinese military weaponry is vastly superior to Chinese made consumer goods. You should keep that in mind the next time you make a foolish comment about Chinese military.
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I really love The Type 054A. It just looks good and seems to fit the FFGs role really well. I want to stress how good it looks.
It looks nice but quality controls are questionable also it never combat tested!
@@kevinzee9704 yeah well most modern navies ships aren’t combat tested. Unless counter pirate ops in the Persian gulf, Gulf of Oman, Red Sea, etc., count.
@@kevinzee9704 054A has not actually been involved in warfare, but he has been deployed overseas for over a decade without any reliability issues, and you can easily search TH-cam for videos of him visiting countries around the world and participating in an evacuation mission to Yemen in 2015.
Very carefully and hardworked video!
Keep it up.
The Type 054 family is a good tool for PLA maritime forces, hence becoming backbone for brown+green water tasks. Size, simplicity, availability, performance, all not outstanding, but decent.
Actually, 4K ton to 5.5K ton displacement & 135 m to 150 m length, relatively multi-purpose warships seems to be ideal for current circumstances for most nations with coast lines. (Even newest surface warships, named FDI or FTI, for Marine National of France is in that category.)
054A series of ships are actually preparing him for use by the Coast Guard.I can tell you that the number of shipbuilding workers in China is as high as 5 million.If China is forced into wartime shipbuilding mode, it will have no problem launching 100 ships a year.
Awesome update, love going through your content
Thanks man - please keep doing that!
YESS, PLEASE KEEPS W0RK!NG!!!
@@EurasiaNaval hey bro can I ask you something do you consider yourself a chinese or not? your from Taiwan right?
Another great video...you deserve more subs 👏
I appreciate that!
Good vid , future vid can be on new nilgiri class frigate ( project 17 a ) first ship to be commissioned this year
China systematically and methodically constructed a well purposed navy, the PLAN implores great versatility and IMO, the most potent surface to surface capability. Loved the discussion on the radar, the 054B will be integrated within the BG as you indicated, a support ship, the 052s and 55s will pickup the primary long range target search, acquisition, surveillance and fire control responsibilities, as will the carrier and aviation assets. I still believe they have substantial gaps in their naval based air defense and submarine force. The HQ 9/16 series just aren’t up to the task at hand, especially compared to the USN.
Thanks man - I forgot to mention CEC, which would complement working with the Type 055 and 052D, as you say.
The PLAN is a collection of ships, inexperienced and untried, still in development. The PLAN won't be a world class Navy until it has extended "combat service" (i.e. extended operational experience far from China's shores). The Chinese lack developmental experience ( comparing equipment and personnel against actual real world experience, then tweaking gear and training), but if the CCP survives the current economic tsunami and they give themselves some time, they might be able to sail a true "Blue Water" Navy.
@@brianfoley4328 I love this koolaid. Please keep drinking it. I hope all the American leadership believe this too. This way they can stop annoying china and trying to stop China's rise.
I agree with your views! Thumbs up!
Excellent video excellent well done
Thank you very much!
@@EurasiaNaval you are very welcome
@ENI: Could you cover the Type 075 landing helicopter dock ship (Yushen-class)?
Good journalism
There is a limit to how fast you can go when using a towed array.If you go too fast, you degrade the ability of the sonar to detect underwater threats and put huge amounts of strain on the ship.which may lead to cracking as on RN towed array vessels.
I don't understand why China still intends to build many more 054A while construction of 054B has already started. The late version of 054A with VDS and towed sonar array is a good ship for 1st island chain operation. Those YJ-83 may not be replaceable 1-for-1 with YJ-12 like in the DDG Shenzhen upgrade (16 x YJ-83 replaced by 16 x YJ-12) because the 054A displacement may only support 4 YJ-12.
I SUSPECT MANY GENERALS IN PLA NAVY ST!LL HAS 0LD CH!NA M!L!TARY D0CTR!NE, IT'S M0RE QUANT!TY THAN QUAL!TY, THAT'S WHY PLA NAVY ST!LL USES P00R PERF0RMANCE C0RVETTE TYPES 056!!!
Maybe their planned to be used in future long range carrier task forces with the type 004 carrier
Maybe China doesn't has much money anymore so cheaper option is the right choices. 😁😁
@@miguellines5907 China has more foreign reserve than India's entire GDP.
Uncertain times we live in, war might break out any second, so its better to get more ships now to quickly up the numbers vs just waiting on the 054Bs to be completed.
If China would like the 54B to be true multipurpose ship, should use the 9 meters UVLS and carry also the anti ship missile. Should have enough space quad packing the medium range AA missile. Without the antiship missiles this fregate would only on the defensive side in certain scenarios.
The quadpack AA missiles are compatible with the shorter variant of the UVLS.
The system was made public within a short version UVLS mock-up...
The ship can have both installed.
The 7 meter deep in the bow and the 9 meter deep midship inside a superstructure.
054B will escort the carrier fleet with the 055 right?
Most likely 2-4 Type 052D with 2 Type 055 to provide escort to carrier group outside China air coverage. Within China air coverage you would have less type 052D and have type 054A escort
@@MY-zj8pb I see
EVERY 1 UN!TS A!RCRAFT CARR!ER ESC0RT BY 1 UN!T TYPES 055, 2 UN!TS TYPES 052C, 2 - 3 UN!TS TYPES 052D, 2 - 3 UN!TS 054 FR!GATES, 1 NUCLEAR ATTACKS SUBMAR!NE 0R 2 C0NVENT!0NAL ATTACK SUBMAR!NE, 1 - 2 UN!TS SUPPLY SH!PS!!!
@@MY-zj8pb
He was asking 054B not 054A.
With a hybrid engine and full electric integration system as similar with the type 003 surely 36 knots speed can be achieved by 054B.
@@miguellines5907 with the awful record full electric propulsions have it would be good if the ship made 32 knots real.
But those 36 would be perfect as it would alow for them to move within the squadron while it sails at top speed.
How would 054B compare with the 054A/P??
Just another state of the Art Reefs for crabs 😂😂😄😄😅😅😃😃🤣🤣
It depends on what their final specification for 054B is. If 054B is another upgrade upgrade based on 054A, then it is about as good as 054A/P, maybe slightly better or worse.
If it is a heavily modified 054A with a stretched hull and rearranged superstructure, then it can be moderately better than 054A/P. If it is an entirely new design, then it can be quite a bit better than 054A/P
@@thomaszhang3101 CCP communist socialist pirates can only create covid or the CCP virus 🦠🦠🦠
It is a new design frigate based on the blueprint made in 2019. The blueprint once called 057 but don't know why changed to 054B.
It will be an All-electric propulsion hybrid engine similar with type 003 as reported by famous chinese former military general who currently become a military expert.
@@miguellines5907 just wondering how your under water high speed trains today 😂
Will you talk about the feasibility of naval rail gun usage?
Railgun on a frigate? Not likely
stop reading science fiction and return to reality
All ships slow down when using a towed array because of drag and ship noise
the batch of 054A fleet is slated to cover the Taiwan strait and the provincial island of Taiwan and the surrounding waters.. including the eastern side.. post liberation of ROC and reunification circa or post the 2025 period... 🈶
taiwan is well on its way to full independence .
China will never get past the silent service
@@cedriceric9730 lol taiwan will be blockaded from land based missiles alone and cut off from resupply. US subs operating that close to the mainland are just going to be expensive targets for MPAs
Does it have any anti-stealth capabilities?
Make comparisons video between neelgiri class frigate with type 54b
- Will thes steam turbine result in shorter range than a diesel engine?
- I am a bit surprised that the Type 054B did not try to squeeze in a second helicopter to augment its anti-sub search capabilities. It would partially mitigate its lack of speed when escorting carriers.
- It seems to me that this would be ideal to escort convoys, if it has the range. The PLA's greatest weakness (IMHO) has less to do with their equipment, but rather the Malacca Strait Dilemma.
Nah☝️
lol typical nonsense from western delusional mind. strait of malacca ? ASEAN are neutral and not US slaves
I'm surprised the type 054A does not already have turbines. It should be standard to have at least a form of diesel and turbine combo in all modern warships frigate size and above.
RN的下一代type31护卫舰还有法国海军下一代FDI护卫舰依然是柴油动力，而不是CODOG。
柴油动力在小吨位的舰船上并不是什么大问题。
basic design of 054 variants started in the 1990's. First 054 started construction at end of 1999. Back then, gas turbine engine wasn't something PLA could count on. Even now, I don't know if the marine gas turbine used by PLAN is compact enough for 054 sized ship.
All frigates have to slow down to use towed array sonars, this has nothing to do with diesels more to do with the drag of the array, frigates will sprint then cut power and drift when hunting subs if they want to minimise ship noise, gas turbines are better for this since they can get up to full power a lot quicker. The type 054A mounts its diesels on anti-vibration rafts which is how it achieves its noise reduction using diesels. Gas turbines are more energy dense but the ducting it needs to function eats into the above waterline space, so its swings and roundabouts wrt space efficiency. The main rationale for moving away from diesels is that they are limited in power output the 4 sets used in the 054A is what limits its size/displacement/speed and there aren't any medium speed diesels (low speed ones used on commercial shipping can be a lot more powerful but are inflexible when speed changes are required!) that are appreciably more powerful, i.e. to have a larger ship they need to move away from a diesel power plant. In short the conclusions may be correct but the rationale used to justify it is just hearsay!
There is ALOT of speculation being passed off as fact on this channel, if you haven't noticed already....
Interesting
this frigate will be perfect for ASEAN nations, S America and African nations with limited budgets but still want to obtain state of the art combat vessels without going to destroyer class ships
This design would be more powerful than most destroyers in the world. Maybe PLAN would start selling off the 054A hulls once these get into service.
@@xsu-is7vq think Pakistan are getting 4x 054A for their navy
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Very informative videos, and very thoughtful analysis.
A lot of this is conjecture, but it would be nice to have links to the sources of the facts that are available.
Thanks for that. See this discussion for underlying sources www.sinodefenceforum.com/t/054b-next-generation-ffg-thread.8724/
@@EurasiaNaval Great, thanks!
Edit: yeah, I see how compressing the points of 63 pages and 2 years of a forum thread into a single video saves a lot of time. Thanks for the effort (and the great analysis on top).
Want China to build a type 060 cruiser that’s over 20 000 t displacement
There is an article that said in the future there is plan to build ship with the designation of type 058 which many domestic experts guessing 20k+ ton and few even said 25k+ ton with 30k ton full load and nuclear powered.
@@miguellines5907 sheesh hope that article is right because I like big ships lmao. Hope it’s nuclear powered too.
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Article made by PLA Navy Northern Fleet Weibo account which 5 days or a week later removed/erased.
@@miguellines5907 theres an upper practical limit you'd want to build your surface combatants. Thats why large warships like carriers and LHDs are central fleet assets and are extremely few in number.
While it would be nice to have a superheavy flagship like the Kirov, its often not cost effective and a huge logistics/maintenance headache to have one unique ship that doesn't really offer that much more than 2-3 regular destroyers.
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I know nothing about that theory because i just reply to comment according to what i read in Weibo account article. So don't blame me... Blame the Chinese military branch that gave the leakage.. 😁😁
BRAVO CHINA !!!!!
Can we get a video on the Soviet/Russian Oscar-class submarine, as they were made to counter US carrier groups? Also, can we get a video on the Yasen class submarine as well?
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Where did the info about the 100mm cannon came from?
Is it logical to introduce a new caliber round in the fleet?
All i have read about type 054B refer either the 76 or the 130mm cannon.
Would make sense to make a compromise in the middle of both?
Is the 100mm much more capable than the 76mm cannon?
Is it much faster and cheaper than the 130mm?
I don't want to name the source, because it put the person under spotlight and could reduce the future supply of info to the community. I got criticized for naming someone in one of my previous videos, so hope you can understand that. But this claim does come from a fairly reputable source, and is not generally challenged by PLA watchers. It could still be wrong, of course.
@@EurasiaNaval Ok.
I believe in you.
You are always very well informed in China military matters.
I found it odd because in various contents about the future ship I have never heard of the adoption of a 100 mm naval gun nor have came across any info regarding new development in that caliber.
Great content, as always!
@@tiagogomes3807 100mm is from France, 76mm from Italy, 130mm redesign from Russia proto
I think you could be right, it is too early to tell. I think personally a 130mm is a bit too big for the purpose of PLAN frigates, which is not anti-ship. The Type 054 already used a 100mm gun, so there is a precedent available relating to the same basic hull shape. But we don't know, and I probably should have been less definitive in what I said.
Check out this thread www.sinodefenceforum.com/t/054b-next-generation-ffg-thread.8724/page-28#post-737198 for a discussion of the likely gun (and source of the claim)
Anyway, thanks for the comments!
China builds 3 variants of naval guns which are 76,100 and 130mm , the 100mm is the most all rounder and the oldest type of caliber since the twin 100mm gun, in my view the 76mm is versatile but kind of bad for shore bombardment, 130mm is mounted on warships that will be used for frontline engagement(like the naruesuan class frigate which although small in frigate standards uses a 127mm gun due to its role) 100mm is kind of the middle of the two previously mentioned
Well done China advanced powerful 054B and powerful weapons. Made in China. 💪💪👍👍👏👏❤❤💯💯
Made from scrap metals that was once Americans old stoves, cars, refrigerators, Washing machines, meaning that the steel is weak,but the paint job looks good 👍, and the country of Taiwan doesn't want anything to do with becoming a communist country, and the South China sea will remain international waters, meaning all countries will and can send there shipping through the Taiwan straits, USA will make sure of it...along with those countries who know the CCP has zero rights to attack Taiwan , they promised to allow Hong Kong to remain free in 1997, when Britain gave it to the people of Hong Kong and the CCP then took over, in other words the CCP cannot be trusted.
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It looks like a teenage 055
At first it was planned a 2 model of smaller 055 on 052E and 054B. While 054B is under construction now there is no information about the realization of 052E.
Subs will always be the best and then no innocent will die. A war at sea with subs.. This is the future eving little countries can join in..
1. Spain F110-class frigate (2020s; 2022-2027)
6100tons; 16 VLS
2. Europe FREMM (2010s; 2012-current)
France 6000tons, Italy 6700tons; both 32 VLS
3. UK Type 26 frigate (2020s; 2022-2030)
6900tons; 48 VLS
4. U.S FFG(X) - Updated version of Italy's FREMM (2020s; 2022-2030)
7300tons; 32 VLS
1. Firstly for the flagship Europe's FREMM, the tonnage is slightly heavier due to the workload that France and Italy took on the Atlantic Sea and the Mediterranean Sea. 32 VLS are needed for grounded assault and anti-air needs in that settings. However, they don't need anything higher than that, because they are likely being covered by the fighter jets or the mission area has ground support.
2. Second, for the UK type 26 frigate, due to the financial crisis the Brits are having, the number of ships built won't be high. As a result, in order to max out the attack capability, the number of VLS is increased to 48.
3. Thirdly, for the U.S FFG(X), the force projection of the U.S fleets is still very huge, so the gross tonnage is the highest out of all frigates to fulfill the blue sea mission. However, the VLS won't be as high as the UK type because there is already enough fire support from other units in the fleet.
4. In the end, for the Spain F110-class frigate, due to the nature of the geopolitics around Europe, Spain doesn't need that high of attack capability. So they only got 16 VLS, but there would be enough of the frigate in the future to distribute firepower evenly in the late 2020s. However, you can see that France and Italy filter out Spain from the FREMM program, and the Brits won't be building ships with Spain too. The defense policy and the measurement of Spain's military are designated going to be more isolated from NATO. France and Italy are isolating themselves(and discriminating the Spain of course.) as a group while the UK is not even the core power of NATO. The EU's military forces are falling apart. So I understand the route and choice that Spain is making.
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This video is actually genuinely underated and damm and this is actually the actual real China that the actual American and British BBC propaganda mainstream media actually don't show you is actually really like and actually capable of actually doing and damm and ❤😂🎉🇨🇳🇨🇳🗿🗿🗣️🗣️💯💯💯🪩🔥.
Remember the problem is the PLA navy never had a real battle yet.
@christyli8016 the what’s the problem
This is wierd. How is it possible to conceive an anti sub ship with diesel engines only and using them during ASW op? Electric motors should be a must for ASW operations at low speed and an alternative engine should be used for speedy manuvers (eg. gas turbine engine). The best ASW ships combine at least 2 types of engines including a silent electric type (FREM). Well it looks like the 54B will fix this prob of the 54A.
wow an expert commenters.. what is your youtube channel kid ? call of duty ?
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To me it looks like the typical AESA radar spam and a missile and propulsion update. Unfortunately the current environment looks like China needs the numbers more than the quality so they are forced to mass produce current designs instead of developing next gen ones and we might not see it in a while, instead seeing more 054As and 052Ds.
Whatever, at least we have a semi-insane simulator to have a feel of new ships! F94725D39299B5F0
It's because of the recent hybrid engine and Full electric propulsion integrated system installed on 003 to be tested on the sea before it can be implemented on other warships.
After the 003 propulsion system tested on sea then the Chinese can be convince that the system can now to be installed on type 054B which later will be on 052E and 055A with the future plan of 058.
I consider this ship, like other chineese ships, is on the weak side as refer to the point of defense guns. For shore bombardment adopt a 100 mm that is weak for air defense, while the ideal for shore bombardmenter is the 127mm (eg. OTO MELARA w VOLCANO). For air defense the 76mm (eg. OTO MELARA RAPID) is better but it also should be used in combination with a certain amount of 30-35mm guns. This ship forgo the 76 for a 100 and has only one 30mm. The number of guns should be one 127 (for shore bombardment not for AA) a couple of 76 and two to four 30/35 (all specialized for AA and asimmetrical).
It has only a 30 mm gun but with a fire rate of 10000-11000 rounds per minute and a muzzle speed over 3000.
The gun itself is more capable than anything else there is. By a lot...
The radars and firing controls we Will hopefully never know.
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“B” read like Chinese word “pussy”.
54 in Chinese means “youth”
so 054B means Young women
Well ...if we look at Chinese today naval attitude I can say that is advancing in other words is catching up & slowly is closing the gab & of course the situation may get fairly worse in the near future !!! Because now china is organized & master strength & seriously attempting to become great , great power at least in the east !!! Have perhaps intensions in the future to conquered Asia !!! We can see of how quickly is building numerous naval war ships using workers fast by the hundreds enormous crowds compering as ants !!! Then what is the reason ??? Why she needs very many ??? Because she needs plenty of raw material & naval bases to guarantee her existence & of course AMERICA have to keep an eye of this development by staying constantly strong in the far east therefore to hold tight & check her advance !!!
I am Chinese, and I am very happy to participate in your discussion.I think the first thing you should be concerned about is our shipbuilding capacity.We have 3,200 shipyards, 19 of which are very large.The construction of the new generation of technology upgrades for each ship has slowed down.In fact, it doesn't take much. Ten large shipyards can build 50 large surface ships at one time if they only need ships and aircraft carriers without any problems.For example, 052 series ships and 055 large ships with mature technology levelOr is it not a problem to build three at the same time according to the technology of the third aircraft carrierAll mature weapon systems can be installed on it.
Building a capable navy takes decades. It's not just about the ships. China lacks experienced generals and commanders to use their ships.
It is now only possible to replicate the U.S. experience and regulations, and it will take a long time to find what really fits
Nonsense, even saudi can win naval battles easily if they have a bunch of 055.
BS， china has sea battle experience since 1950s with chinese taiwan until 1970s, then china has sea battle with south vietnam, then 1988, china sunk 3 vietnamese ship, the US is the one has no much experience in real war, invading small country without navy or air force is not real experience
Thats only partial true, sure, no major naval wars involving China, on the other hand, have Japan, South Korea or USA more experiance? No, they do not...Sure, they have operated a Navy many years, on the other hand, sp have China, they have operated a Navy since the early 50s, dont know about Americans, Japanese or Europeans or werever ypu come from, but in China they learn to operate ships during that period of time...
@@tobiasbjurefjall6814 japan, south korea has no any sea battle experience in last 70 years at all, US has no much either, it invades all small nations without navy or air force, its not a experience
It is a 2nd rate trying hard copycat Ñot a mini Aegis
State of the Art Reef,just because they keep building ships mean nothing..
@@accountantthe3394 STOP CRYING 😢 😭😭🍼, YOU NEED SOME MILK
@@jackrabbit8303 yes. You need your bottle.
@@yunko9369 stop crying 😢 your doomed,your economy is poor your high speed trains are in debt to the tune of a Trillion $ & you bridge of death can only transport donkeys 😂
@@yunko9369 he is another lundian
@@accountantthe3394
Do you mean brahmanmos?? 🤣🤣
It sounds good on paper but as everything Chinese it is all overpromising and underdelivering.
You means like the Korean War, the war with India and Vietnam?
@@yunko9369 Yeah in the Korean war where so many Chinese got slaughtered, Against Vietnam where they got beaten send back home. I give you India tho but that is not an achievement
@@ulikemyname6744 then why Vietnam can’t take back the disputed lands that China took?
@@ulikemyname6744 You forgot the most important thing in a war is to achieve the objectives. US suffered many casualties taking all these islands from Japan in WWII too. But at the end, even with heavy casualties, the US was able to take control of these islands.
@@ulikemyname6744 Maybe you know more than US defense assessment.
According to a report:
Pentagon Assessment: China Now Has World’s Largest Navy
Posted on September 1, 2020 by John M. Doyle, Seapower Correspondent
ARLINGTON, Va. - The People’s Republic of China, increasing its two-decade military buildup, now has the world’s largest navy, according to the U.S. Defense Department’s latest annual assessment of China’s military capabilities.
If China was confident about it's military capabilities and the strength of it's economy it would have done something tangible about all the Western leaders visiting Taiwan.
The fact that China has done basically nothing shows that the leaders in Beijing have little confidence in the Chinese nation.
This is called strategic determination in China. No matter what you think of it as cowardice or how it is, at least China has achieved the greatest results in the past conflicts at almost the best time. For example, in the border conflicts of 1962 and 1979, if Chinese policymakers really so-called 'lack of confidence in the Chinese nation', they can only say that you have completely equated China with Russia, This is the fundamental reason why countless Western viewpoints always backfire on China-related Affairs.
The Chinese are 1st waiting for the 'Opium Dealers' considered a worthy opponent! So, R U up to it, me lad?
we r not Russians.
No need to nuke London just because Truss is unhinged. Everything has to be proportional.
Typical barbarian view: "if you beleive in your military why don't you go kill people" ... I know this is what you do, sorry if you realized that makes you the bad guy 😅
nice design but china made are substandard😂😂😂✌️
pathetic Dollar Store life， never seen a fine quality product？
The Chinese merchants know how much their customers can pay. That’s not they can’t make high quality products, simply they want maximise their profits.
It’s foolish to judge Chinese military hardware based on your experience with Chinese made consumer goods. The fact is that the quality of Chinese military weaponry is vastly superior to Chinese made consumer goods. You should keep that in mind the next time you make a foolish comment about Chinese military.
At least not as bad as F-35 which been swimming all over the sea.