Just understand that the splice is a larger diameter than the line, so if you have a furler that takes 1/4" line and no larger, don't use this splice to make it continuous using 1/4" line as it won't go through the furler drum. If you don't mind a bump and showing the core, you can do a continuous splice that is locked and you won't need stitching.
if you want to splice a loop for a continuous line furler, don't use this splice, use the equal thickness (less strength) splice. It's plenty strong enough for its application. This splice is for creating loops that need to maintain the full strength of the line.
Hi, thank you for the great informational video. As a newbie, I was wondering if you could efficiently make an endless rope on a much smaller diameter, something close to 35cm ?
It depends on the diameter of the rope as well. A Dyneema loop might be a better solution for smaller circumferences. th-cam.com/video/uzK0gApBrCg/w-d-xo.html
This would be more or less the same. The balance between core and cover can be different for HMPE ropes. This means you'll need some overlength in the beginning of the splice to cope with the thicker core of the part where it's spliced.
Thanks for a great video! I've watched several times but was hoping someone could help: At 5:22, from what line does he insert the d splicer? Does he go all the way to the black line? Or is he halfway between black and red, or some other location? It confuses me since he does one fid length for the left, and then what appears to be somewhere between 1 and 2 fid lengths on the right. My first splicing job was scrunched up, I think maybe because I assumed he went from the black line? Any help would be greatly appreciated 🙏
Clark you can do an end to end for the Dyneema core like this th-cam.com/video/Q6patBi3aEo/w-d-xo.html. But there probably isn't enough space to milk back the cover so taper the cover into the core on both sides before the end to end. This will leave a small part Dyneema core only. For a dinghy you can also splice without hte core like so th-cam.com/video/7YN9C7rm7qI/w-d-xo.html
Similar question as above, need to make a continuous sheet for a 5mm jib sheet on an F18 catamaran; I gave this method a try and the splice was too bulky to get back into the cover. Is the method shown in video 11.1.1 (second link) strong enough? @@Premiumropes
We advise to take a rope with a super fibre in the cover (instead of core only) to gain the needed strength. Our SSR light rope is the best choice and works really good for a jib sheet on a F18: www.premiumropes.com/ssr-light
Hola, se podría usar este empalme de forma segura para unir dos cabos de fondeo de 200m cada uno de poliéster de 10mm? Gracias. Hello, could this splice be used safely to join two mooring ropes of 200m each of 10mm polyester? Thanks
Is a minimum length fid needed for this? I want to make a small continuous loop, approx 10 cm long for a prussik. Got Excel Racing 3mm but I guess uncovered dyneema would also be good?
This splice would work great for a German-sheeting system, but is applicable in any system with an endless rope where the diameter is not critical (due to the thickness of the splice)
I have some dock lines a tad too short. Can this be applied to splicing two double braid ends together to use for dock lines? The lines will have like snubbers.
Eh, boat owning is a lot of work, haha. Thank you for your response and feedback. I think I may splice one set and go from there. I think I'd have three sets to splice. Thanks!
A rope with Dyneema core is fully dependent on the core for it's strength. The splicing technique is the same, but you need to pull back more Dyneema core (4 fid lengths instead of 3). We do not have a video of this, but check our Rope Splicing App number 7.3 for the instructions. Also in the book 'Splicing Modern Ropes, this splice is explained.
Hi! The splice wil be more stiff, but should still be able to run through your blocks. Just make sure that you've got enough room for the splice to fit, becaus the rope will be thicker on the location of the splice.
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Just understand that the splice is a larger diameter than the line, so if you have a furler that takes 1/4" line and no larger, don't use this splice to make it continuous using 1/4" line as it won't go through the furler drum. If you don't mind a bump and showing the core, you can do a continuous splice that is locked and you won't need stitching.
if you want to splice a loop for a continuous line furler, don't use this splice, use the equal thickness (less strength) splice. It's plenty strong enough for its application. This splice is for creating loops that need to maintain the full strength of the line.
beautifully done.
how much strength is retained/ lost by splicing in this way?
This method gives about 10% loss of the original breaking strength whereas a knot can give up to 40% loss.
Be sure to check that your splice will feed through the clutch once completed, it jammed on mine
Hi, thank you for the great informational video. As a newbie, I was wondering if you could efficiently make an endless rope on a much smaller diameter, something close to 35cm ?
It depends on the diameter of the rope as well. A Dyneema loop might be a better solution for smaller circumferences. th-cam.com/video/uzK0gApBrCg/w-d-xo.html
Hi, thanks for this. What, if anything would you do differently if the core was dyneema/UHMWPE?
This would be more or less the same. The balance between core and cover can be different for HMPE ropes. This means you'll need some overlength in the beginning of the splice to cope with the thicker core of the part where it's spliced.
Thanks for a great video! I've watched several times but was hoping someone could help: At 5:22, from what line does he insert the d splicer? Does he go all the way to the black line? Or is he halfway between black and red, or some other location? It confuses me since he does one fid length for the left, and then what appears to be somewhere between 1 and 2 fid lengths on the right. My first splicing job was scrunched up, I think maybe because I assumed he went from the black line? Any help would be greatly appreciated 🙏
It's indeed all the way up to the black marker
Does this work with dyneema lines that have a cover? I need to do this on a 4mm dingy line.
Clark you can do an end to end for the Dyneema core like this th-cam.com/video/Q6patBi3aEo/w-d-xo.html. But there probably isn't enough space to milk back the cover so taper the cover into the core on both sides before the end to end. This will leave a small part Dyneema core only.
For a dinghy you can also splice without hte core like so th-cam.com/video/7YN9C7rm7qI/w-d-xo.html
Similar question as above, need to make a continuous sheet for a 5mm jib sheet on an F18 catamaran; I gave this method a try and the splice was too bulky to get back into the cover. Is the method shown in video 11.1.1 (second link) strong enough? @@Premiumropes
We advise to take a rope with a super fibre in the cover (instead of core only) to gain the needed strength. Our SSR light rope is the best choice and works really good for a jib sheet on a F18: www.premiumropes.com/ssr-light
How much length does the splice cost? -i.e.: How much extra line, (expressed in diameters) do you need?
You need to add 2 fid-lengths to the total length. Take a fid with a similar thickness to the rope diameter!
Hola, se podría usar este empalme de forma segura para unir dos cabos de fondeo de 200m cada uno de poliéster de 10mm? Gracias.
Hello, could this splice be used safely to join two mooring ropes of 200m each of 10mm polyester? Thanks
Yes!
Excellent vids, would it not be better to use a darker background so that the rope is easier to see. Still good stuff though.
Is a minimum length fid needed for this? I want to make a small continuous loop, approx 10 cm long for a prussik. Got Excel Racing 3mm but I guess uncovered dyneema would also be good?
It would be better to use a different technique for this
th-cam.com/video/uzK0gApBrCg/w-d-xo.html
@@Premiumropes thanks for that - found this vid and followed it. Excellent, good results.
How much thickness does this add at the splice area?
Difficult to say exactly and depends of the rope construction. On average it would be around 20-25% extra
What size fid was used in this video?
Choose a fid size which is closest to the diameter of the rope
Neat, but what are some applications someone would use this endless rope for?
This splice would work great for a German-sheeting system, but is applicable in any system with an endless rope where the diameter is not critical (due to the thickness of the splice)
Slings @@Premiumropes
My mainsail furling line.
Endless control lines
What size is the rope and splicing needle?
Rope size is 10mm and the Selma fid size 7,5
@@Premiumropes 🙏
I need a loop length of 1.2m? 2.4m of rope in loop. How do u measure for this?
You need to add 2 fid-lengths to the total length. Take a fid with a similar thickness to the rope diameter!
I have some dock lines a tad too short. Can this be applied to splicing two double braid ends together to use for dock lines? The lines will have like snubbers.
Yes, it will be strong enough for sure. However it is quite a lot of work... we would advise a new set of dock lines.
Eh, boat owning is a lot of work, haha. Thank you for your response and feedback. I think I may splice one set and go from there. I think I'd have three sets to splice. Thanks!
What type of rope can be sutiable for this splicing technique? Pls.
This video explains how to splice an endless rope of double braid polyester.
can this be done with a dyneema core double braid rope?
A rope with Dyneema core is fully dependent on the core for it's strength. The splicing technique is the same, but you need to pull back more Dyneema core (4 fid lengths instead of 3). We do not have a video of this, but check our Rope Splicing App number 7.3 for the instructions. Also in the book 'Splicing Modern Ropes, this splice is explained.
Will this still fit through a block? or will it be too stiff?
Hi! The splice wil be more stiff, but should still be able to run through your blocks. Just make sure that you've got enough room for the splice to fit, becaus the rope will be thicker on the location of the splice.
that looks more like he cut 5 CM off the core ?