2:34 "so if you hate the sound of your voice, this is what you need!" So you need Audimee, not practise? It saddens me that anyone who follows this route will miss out on the best part of becoming a great singer. They will miss out on the journey and the deep satisfaction that comes from growing as an artist through practise, passion and dedication to ones craft.
No amount of training can make your voice sound like someone that you're not. If I don't want to sound like myself, then I'm gonna use technology to get the sound that I want. If I want to sound like a Japanese girl, for example, this is currently my best bet -- and I'm not missing out on anything whatsoever by taking advantage of it.
@@HyperNova137 Sure mate, I can understand you using it for that reason. I have on occasion manipulated a guitar to the point where it no longer sounds like a guitar, so why not completely change a voice? I guess this is one of many paradigm shifts I will have to accept as this technology becomes commonplace. I also believe there is no right or wrong in music and I have no right to tell anyone how they should make their art. So I apologise if my comment came across that way. My comment was a reaction to some of the messages in this video which I do feel are different in essence to your idea of changing your nationality and possibly gender(?) through Audimee. Particularly when Bobby recommends this for those who hate the sound of their own voice I feel that is maybe not the best advice. Being an obsessive reader about my favourite musicians I’ve discovered it’s surprisingly very common for even the most incredible singers to hate the sound of their own voice. A prime example is Rob Halford, one of the most iconic, original and influential metal singers of all time. Thankfully his voice was never changed beyond recognition through AI because millions love and connect with it. Who knows, if someone hates their own voice maybe they are onto something very unique. It doesn't necessarily mean they are a bad singer. I think we are usually the worst judge of our own voice. And this product is being sold as a solution for those who “suck at harsh vocals”. This is a skill that can be improved through learning technique and practising. A singer still may never sound like Audimee or their favourite extreme vocalist but that could be the best thing they have going for them. I absolutely love the process of practising and growing as a musician and reaching my goals through hard work and dedication. Audimee gives the destination without the journey, so that naturally holds no appeal for me. But I do see it’s not right for me to suggest others are missing out if they don’t feel the same desire I do to take that journey. I think Bobby may well be right in saying the use of AI will become standard and if you don’t get on board you’ll be left behind. But then again, what a great opportunity to stand out from the crowd and be the one who doesn’t use it. All food for thought anyway. One thing’s for sure, we are about to see some massive changes in the music scene. An interesting time to be alive.
I agree in case you are a vocalist. If you're a songwriter and you wish to pitch your ideas, this technology well be indispensable. However, it's not without limitations. I heard people use Ariana Grande's model and it sucked! Because they fed melodies to it that didn't sound like her choices, neither did the rhythm fit her voice nor the emotional impact. But there's a teaching moment here: if you lack emotions, flow and interest in your voice AI can't produce it for you.
I will continue to do my own Metal vocals. It is more distinct and unique that way. It is amazing what AI can do but we might find everyone's metal vocals sounding the same when people start using AI.
I agree with you hundred percent. Plus I like doing extreme vocals in Person around ppl and getting the wow factor. You won't get that with ai. Ai is more about 💩 and giggles.
You know I love you Bobby but I’m planting my flag on the opposite side of the field on this one. Rather than trying to “adapt” or “not get left behind” I’m drawing a hard line in the sand. Absolutely under no circumstances will I be outsourcing creative decisions to AI, and I also will not knowingly permit any AI generated sounds to make its way into anything I release publicly. Other people may be fine with AI music but I’d rather not listen to it for a multitude of reasons, and it would be hypocritical of me to dislike it as a music fan but then turn around and use it in my own material. It’s an ethical stance for me. I’d rather die holding this flag than adapt to a world where I take shortcuts for things just to “keep up.” I understand the value of this technology in helping those who have no other options, but when I was coming up I just rolled up my sleeves and learned how to do things myself, because that’s kind of the point of art is the struggle through the birth of something new. It’s like saying, “look what I made.” Real art reinvigorates us humans, reminding us that we’re capable of more than just making problems for ourselves. AI “art” shouldn’t be anything more than a temporary crutch used to imitate art, unless you’re in the game for ulterior motives, like money, streams, followers, etc. Giving away the process to AI is like hiring a robot to f*ck your wife. I don’t really see the point. I have a video in the works about my thoughts on AI music, and it goes super deep so I won’t keep going here, but yeah man the more I learn about AI the higher I want to raise my middle finger, haha. I’m proud to be on the losing side on this, because I stand with all of the great artists who are getting left here in the past with me. You kids go enjoy yourselves.
100% with you on that, man. I truly hate where AI is headed. I get the feeling that it's going to cheapen every creative medium to the point of being pretty much meaningless.
@@devinjohnson2377 Well the positive side of this is that for those of us who have a preference for the traditional stuff, the value of human-made art will likely increase a fuck-ton, assuming we trust those who are telling us that they didn't use generative AI. We'll have kind of our own subculture full of tons of different genres and art mediums all united under authenticity and it might actually be a pretty rad place to be.
To me the cool point about music is….making music. Surely there is room for AI generates tracks just like drum libraries have been around since basically forever by now - but I‘d never replace my singer by an AI.
@@ErikAndersdon’t worry, there will be bands that are nothing more than models who perform live to backing tracks that AI wrote, played and sang in their entirety. People already pay big bucks to see pop stars dance to tracks without actually performing music. The bridge to human beings who pretend to perform to AI tracks isn’t that big. The future is bleak
They're not that great. You can see the real vibration in the growls when he's done. I sound like the original, but I cannot do the end product. It's a good tool for those of us who can scream mediocrely and just can't quite get there but still enjoy making music.
Pretty creepy actually, but the lid has been removed and there’s no way to get it back in the box. It will make you wonder if anything is being done by a human anymore.
The terms "copyright free" and "cover" used in the same sentence says a lot about AI. Maybe someone should hack Audimee and throw it on Napster or Pirate Bay.
5:00 your recording is clipped. Can't you hear that high end clipping going on? The AI version is NOT clipped. Actually, the AI version I like better. But godz, you love to hear yourself talk, man. Just play the damn files - THEN explain. Everyone who can't, thinks AI will save them. hah
The Audimee voice sounds like it's false fold, while the original vocalist sounds more like fry or fry dominant hybrid screams, especially in the "pitched scream singing" section
For me you can use this as a hack tips to put your vocals much bigger into the mix. For those who doesn't want layering vocals with every take and to save your time. But the results will be different. I already used this technique quite often but I still recommended you to take every possible vox you want to take, because there is a element that you need from the samples. Good luck! And good content! :D
I still think the original voice sounds better in this example but I do have to say that the AI did a pretty good job. I used one of their AI female vocals as a backing voice in one of my songs. I am not a singer so I just talked and I have to say it not only done a good job with the voice but it done well with Polish language as well. There were some frazes that didn't sound quite on point but overall it was acceptable. I'm yet to try it as a main vocal but like I said, I am not a vocalist so getting a good performance is a bit tricky. 😆
Warning: The Ragnar voice is NOT free to try. You tricked me into clicking your link and wasting my time. I might have actually liked the product and paid, but we will never know because I am not going to waste more time on this.....
The real problem is where our money will come from. Pressure needs to be put on governments to adapt; technological movement is inevitable and potentially good. Elon musk rightly Reframes the money issue in terms of Universal High (vs basic) Income. The real question for an artist is why do you do what you do. AI may, in regard to music, take away (or actually amplify, at least in the short term, if you know how to use it right) your: money, glory, attention, feeling needed by others. If you make music for your own personal sense/experience of achievement, growth, beauty or therapy, then relax and continue on!
Meh~ it has to start harsh to start with presumably. Lots of artifacts in some of it that sound like FFT phase weirdness. I suppose in some situations. Thing is as a music fan and a musician I end up battling people constantly who don't understand tools like this over things like the accusations about tracks live and "autotune" and this just makes the problem worse. Just like with autotune "hey do you suck at singing? You too can make a hit record!". Getting all excited about this just makes it worse for real harsh vocalists who can't get away from accusations that they aren't really doing it. Especially the women in metal. "No way does a woman sound like that". A few can and do. These techniques take years to learn and perfect so no it's not a good thing. If you suck at harsh vocals maybe you shouldn't do them because faking it is fake period and by using this you crap all over people you probably admire by promoting something that is fake just to push yourself into the business IMO. No you aren't the same as someone who has been doing it for real on stage for 15 years. People who don't know better may think so, but what are you going to do when you can't do it live? Pop singers have a really bad reputation at this point for faking it, lip syncing, doing everything with tracks, not being able to sing with out autotune. Great you made a metal record with AI now what? Metal fans aren't like pop fans. If they find out you're faking it they won't let it go so you shouldn't be glad that you started out in your home studio making fake voices because if it launches you into something else, you can't live up to what you created.
Old school early 90's production death metal trick . Pitch your full session up a couple have steps and sing your death metal vocal then when you pitch it down to its original key you have a nice natural warm and deep sounding vocal
I've heard the scream type of vocals done by AI a few months ago for the first time. And it did surprise me... so this is not new to me. But also what is the application of this really? How do we benefit? how do we apply this in a live setting? have a backing vocals for a live band? It's fun to mess about with this but ultimately I find it useless
I liked the original high vocal. From this video it seems like it's just eq, and not really A.I. I thought you were going to take a singing type vocals and turn it into metal. Additionally, most DAW's these days have ways to add distortion and bring vocals up and down octaves.
Sounds surreal! It seems like a perfect songwriting tool for conveying ideas to vocalists, saying 'My vision is to capture that performance and grit in this song.' On the other hand, it might discourage many vocalists who feel their vocals aren't at that level, leading songwriters and producers to keep searching and ultimately hiring a pro, which isn't cheap. Personally, I'm looking for AI singing and voice cloning plugins that effectively mimic characteristics, emotions, and human factors, and work seamlessly in a native DAW environment as third-party plugin.Any recommendations?
that's the correct use IMHO. get something to work with, then find a vocalist that can do a decent job (it's too hard to find perfect). wish I could still sing and do vocals similar alright Myself but after years of chain smoking...well...it sucks but I can't pull it off anymore 😕
I don’t agree that you’re making “your” music sound pro, unless you’re using it as a tool for writing, NOT a tool for doing vocals that you can’t pull off in real life (good luck performing it live which is where the money is) this only helps the people who want to make music but don’t have the skills. They still need to learn it to perform it. This was okay in the days of people composing things alone it’s okay to be a good composer and not be able to play anything. Maybe you just have golden ideas. But here, the ideas are not your own, so I personally don’t understand why you’d even want to use it. That being said, I’m not a drummer, and I’ve been using Logics AI drummer since it came out like 6-7 years ago I think, maybe longer. And suggesting settings in plug-ins and what not? We already have presets for that. Presets styled by professional humans. All the AI is going to do is tweet things to make sure that your inputs and outputs are set correctly. That way you don’t have too much gain reduction happening on a setting that is only supposed to be hitting at like four or 5 dB of gain reduction. I will speed up the process on mundane things and make it easier for single musicians to produce demos, but people will always like real music, no matter what I will always be looking for something that’s made by humans that comes with an aspect of human experience. People don’t latch on to bands & make them superstars because their music is good necessarily they do it because they relate to the story and relate to the image and message of the band. I cannot re-create that, nobody’s going to “worship” AI like they do pop stars. No one is going to aspire to want to be like AI or want to dress like AI in case you’re not aware for last 50 or so years or longer music has influenced every single cultural and fashion trend, and is a huge part of how people identify in their lives, what music they listen to and what artist they like.those, will never replace that. You want a good answer on how not to get replaced by AI as an artist, just ask AI ha ha it’ll give you a beautiful answer on exactly what it cannot re-create. And in short, human story and human experience popular artists have a way of tapping into the current subconscious of the public, I can’t do that because it first needs to study what’s going on and create models. And that’s an answer from ChatGPT itself.
If the choice actually does come down to getting on board with AI or getting left behind then I think I’d rather just be left behind then. Thats just me though.
ehm...I mean for your songwriting process or...private fantasies fine but what do you actually expect from this? 😀 Just learn singing and screaming, it's not that hard especially when you just focus on fry vocals.
Dude... voice modulators for screaming have been huge since 2008 and probably a few years before that. Still fly by TDWP (Big tymers cover) used voice modulation.
This is awesome for the solo producer or hobbyist. You can create background vocals done by five, six, or 6000 people. Unless you’re recording something with one microphone like Robert Johnson, you’re already partway down this path anyway. You might as well lean into AI it’s not going away.
This guy is way too excited and amazed by what he actually achieved! He turned a fine real performance into a decent AI performance... Uhh, sooo? NO ONE is gonna replace a GOOD REAL vocal with a passable AI performance! 😫 The only way this would have been cool is if u took a CLEAN vocal and turned it into an AI growl OR if u took a shitty growled vocal and turned it into decent AI vocal.
Honestly this entire AI push has made me go backwards. When i first started playing in the early 90s, it was about jamming along to my favorite records and then jamming with other people. This entire focus on literally everyone trying to mix/master at professional level with 90% VSTs instruments (and now AI voices) in aome desperate attempt to get aome attention in a Spotify playlist that no one will listen to just leaves me feeling hollow and empty. Yes, its cool to capture ideas, amd yes, we can do things now that we could never do without tens of thousands of dollars thirty years ago, but I'm not really aure its a good tradeoff to be honest. I don't want to hear a million besroom producers using "Ragnar", Superior Drummer 3, Eurobass 3, and Odin 3- I want to hear actual people making actual music. But maybe im just an old, bitter Gen Xer who is out of touch.
But now can it replicate?Something as beautiful as the high and vocalist of symphonic heavy metal with female front singers, Like Sharon den Adele and Charlotte Wessels.And Simone Simons and on and on?
🙋 hi! I already do all of that. I write my own lyrics and all that. Anyways when it comes to EDM and dubstep I have a little more freedom to remastering each song but it's all good. If AI music isn't your jam that's cool but it's what I do. It's like 1/10th of the total video creation. I don't do cheap prompting and uploads like lots of others so. 😂 I put a lot of work into my music.
So everybody should jump on board with the technology so we can completely eliminate any kind of unique musical talent? I don't know man, that sounds like everybody's trying to auto tune everything. I would much prefer to have AI handle all the necessary tasks in my life so that way I can actually enjoy my life doing the things I love doing like music. I don't want to allow AI to take over the things I like doing. Shit seems backwards. Plus, if you're always changing somebody's live production with AI, how are you going to generate that live when they're doing shows? Are all vocalists going to be singing through an AI vocal processor now? If that's the case, then that means my dog can be a great singer. 🤘🐶
I'm sorry, but this whole "screaming" death/speed metal thing sounds like it's made for 6th grade boys, who think it sounds scary, or macho, or something. Most of the time, like in this example, it doesn't even sound like screaming -- it sounds somebody doing a cartoon monster voice, or at best fake screaming. I recorded a band with a screamy vocalist, and what he was doing wasn't even loud. He just pressed right on the mic and made a scary monster voice. No emotion. No dynamics. The whole style is so rigid and formulaic, it might as well be the same song over and over, with different titles. Boring and silly. I don't understand the appeal of such non-musical "music."
I think thall should have different type of vocals than the ordeniry metal screaming (including animal, guttteral, tunel throath and so on). I mean new experimental technic.Maybe AI could be useful in that case. It's like got the metal sound of 21st century, but the vocals are stuck in the 20th century. Hope you get what i mean.
I can do better with Alterego honestly ,but this is not too bad! As for what this does for music...NO DEAL! maybe as a backing vocalist,NEVER main vocal
To everyone with the “AI IS BAD” mentality. It’s a tool. Like any tool. It’s not replacing anyone. A hammer cannot replace a carpenter. But you’d be hard pressed to find a carpenter who doesn’t own and use a hammer. Will some people use it irresponsibility? Absolutely, people will be people. Will it help people in streamlining certain process on the studio? Absolutely. You need to look at it in context of who is this tool for. If it doesn’t make sense to you, guess what… you’re not the intended audience.
It’s kind of like, if there was an AI that could play guitar for you because you suck, then you wouldn’t suck because the AI played it for you. Which would mean you still suck and have no integrity to boot
It already can replace some modern metal vocalist, cause they sound the same. But I highly doubt that it will replace someone like Corey Taylor, Winston McCall, Sully Erna and so on
Yeah get it to work on the Grimm vocals also.(Immortal, Dimmu) Not just brutal and deathcore. And for a true test, see if that thing could pull off Behemoth.
We got to stop calling that style “ screaming “. It’s growling and making voices. Try screaming to get someone’s attention far away. They won’t hear you. lol. It’s not screaming. It’s making demon voices and growling.
I'll take 3rd world genoc*de era John Connelly over any screamer anytime. Vocals are not a strength of modern metal. It's not always a bad thing, but it rarely gets any better than passable. At worst, it gets corny af.
It doesn't matter at all if the song was composed by a real band or a kid in his computer. The only thing that matter is if i like the song or not. And btw, already exist AI that compose full songs really well. I tested myself by prompt. So...... We are entering in a new era hard to read yet.
Honestly if not getting on board with AI means getting left behind then I'd rather be left behind. If you think this is a good thing then you're completely missing the point of music as an art form. AI and automation was meant to take over the menial repetitive jobs and tasks that nobody wants to do giving us all more time to explore art and creativity, it's really sad that the opposite seems to be happening and so many people seem to be okay with this. AI generated content isn't art, it's soulless and derivative. But I guess metal music has basically been that for about two decades now so maybe this is a natural evolution after all. Really sad tbh
Who cares. Real fans will pay for real vocals. For me even people who listen to metal with AutoTune engaged, are not worth it. So, bye bye. Listen to robots😅
We got a good decade or so before AI even approaches what a real musician does. It always lacks tonal dynamics in comparison to the real thing. Now that I think about it, that could be super useful in certain genres.
I can see that as a voice enhancer tool that is not as cheating as autotune stuff. It picks your actual singing performance and just change the voice to something more palatable to the ears. I bet that before AI there was tools to do some of those tricks with analog or maybe digital means. AI is just more powerful
Ha, music production got weird 20 years ago….thats why there hasn’t been a good song since then. Everything sounds the same ….auto tune no talent having screamers
Thanks mr brand ambassador, we all know how metalheads would love us some more fake in our lives. We will not need to bother to make music anymore, we will let AI entertain whilst we go get a real job as AI trainers.
If any vocalist sound like shit to where it would benefit them to use AI . Man, that seems fake. Wouldn't it be better to put the time in and practice and perfect your craft
Just let me know when humans are no longer needed. I mean what the point in doing anything. Artists no longer need to create anything since AI is doing everything and I’m pretty sure the industry leaders will just use AI to sell music and pocket all the profits.
This has honestly been going on for many years in the studio. Maybe it hasn't been AI but Auto tune is just as bad. No one is real anymore. My buddy had to go record an album for a band because they suck so bad. They hired my guitarist and other mates to record the album.
Not so free to check the ragnar voice)) I dont know will it works good for me. From your video I sow that you dont actually need to use AI couse your raw sound is nice enough to use it it self.
I see how this can be awesome for making demos. Does that mean you can record your screaming vocals in a normal speaking voice at say… 2:00 am and not freak out the neighbors and I can demo songs? And I did click on this because the title said “free”. Having something free for a limited time doesn’t make it free. I probably will try the app but won’t use your code for it.
I think it should be upto the artist if its used and always disclosed in some way if AI is used as its not entirely ethical to use it without the artists permission.
As an engineer/producer who works primarily with acoustic and electro-acoustic instruments and mostly with artists who want to maintain a significant level of realism in their recordings, I could see using this tech to layer in under the actual performed vocals, in the same way that drum samples and impulse responses have long since been commonly used. Also useful for live reinforcement of performances as a backing track. From a broader creative standpoint, it would be fun to hear how far some of the parameters can be pushed for fantastic effects. To note, these synthesized voices have the same tale tale sound that other AI vocals do: a particular ringing echo-like sound. It’s very subtle, but once I started noticing it, I can hear it on all the AI stuff. Especially higher voices. I know most people don’t hear it, so from an audience acceptance standpoint, it probably doesn’t matter. And it will probably be refined away as the tech improves. Very interesting…and challenging us to question what our role will be moving forward. Thanks for the look at this tech 🙏🏽
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I don't know man, I want AI to do the dishes and do my taxes while I make music and art, not the other way around...
There's a line from an old Flock of Seagullls song: "Man made machines make music for the man
Now machines make music while the man makes plans"
You can do that, indeed, people use AI for bussiness mostly, the artistic part is just for fun for now
Veeeerrrryyy nice idea👍👍👍
watch...there will be ai tax next🤦♂
💯% agree
I think it would be more impressive if the original track was not already a scream but a clean vocal and then Audime translated it to a scream vocal.
I would say thats pretty much impossible, but 😅 who tf knows at this point
for sure
Let me know when the Axl Rose or Sam Kinnison ai voice is ready.
@@NoiseFromTheAtticyou can make them yourself. Theres a free RVC software . Again it's not gonna be perfect but be good for fun cover versions.
@@armondtanzwhat is it called ?
2:34 "so if you hate the sound of your voice, this is what you need!" So you need Audimee, not practise? It saddens me that anyone who follows this route will miss out on the best part of becoming a great singer. They will miss out on the journey and the deep satisfaction that comes from growing as an artist through practise, passion and dedication to ones craft.
No amount of training can make your voice sound like someone that you're not. If I don't want to sound like myself, then I'm gonna use technology to get the sound that I want. If I want to sound like a Japanese girl, for example, this is currently my best bet -- and I'm not missing out on anything whatsoever by taking advantage of it.
@@HyperNova137 Sure mate, I can understand you using it for that reason. I have on occasion manipulated a guitar to the point where it no longer sounds like a guitar, so why not completely change a voice? I guess this is one of many paradigm shifts I will have to accept as this technology becomes commonplace. I also believe there is no right or wrong in music and I have no right to tell anyone how they should make their art. So I apologise if my comment came across that way.
My comment was a reaction to some of the messages in this video which I do feel are different in essence to your idea of changing your nationality and possibly gender(?) through Audimee. Particularly when Bobby recommends this for those who hate the sound of their own voice I feel that is maybe not the best advice. Being an obsessive reader about my favourite musicians I’ve discovered it’s surprisingly very common for even the most incredible singers to hate the sound of their own voice. A prime example is Rob Halford, one of the most iconic, original and influential metal singers of all time. Thankfully his voice was never changed beyond recognition through AI because millions love and connect with it. Who knows, if someone hates their own voice maybe they are onto something very unique. It doesn't necessarily mean they are a bad singer. I think we are usually the worst judge of our own voice.
And this product is being sold as a solution for those who “suck at harsh vocals”. This is a skill that can be improved through learning technique and practising. A singer still may never sound like Audimee or their favourite extreme vocalist but that could be the best thing they have going for them. I absolutely love the process of practising and growing as a musician and reaching my goals through hard work and dedication. Audimee gives the destination without the journey, so that naturally holds no appeal for me. But I do see it’s not right for me to suggest others are missing out if they don’t feel the same desire I do to take that journey.
I think Bobby may well be right in saying the use of AI will become standard and if you don’t get on board you’ll be left behind. But then again, what a great opportunity to stand out from the crowd and be the one who doesn’t use it. All food for thought anyway. One thing’s for sure, we are about to see some massive changes in the music scene. An interesting time to be alive.
I agree in case you are a vocalist. If you're a songwriter and you wish to pitch your ideas, this technology well be indispensable. However, it's not without limitations. I heard people use Ariana Grande's model and it sucked! Because they fed melodies to it that didn't sound like her choices, neither did the rhythm fit her voice nor the emotional impact. But there's a teaching moment here: if you lack emotions, flow and interest in your voice AI can't produce it for you.
@@drrodopszin A good point. Emotions, flow and interest are vital to a good vocal take.
@@HyperNova137 you're not even responding to what they're saying, they didn't say anything about sounding like someone else
To me, the joy of music is still in the actual playing and singing.
I agree with you.
Ok, but soon you'll easily be fooled thinking it's real while it's not.
@@ExiLeZH what does that have to do with what I wrote?
@@mrcoatsworth429 sorry, was not sure if you meant HEARING somebody actually play/sing, or doing it yourself. Nvm my comment if it’s the latter.
Totally agree, AI is cheating and has no soul
"oh boy... i don't know how i feel about that." pretty much sums it up for most of us. amazed and terrified all at once
I will continue to do my own Metal vocals. It is more distinct and unique that way. It is amazing what AI can do but we might find everyone's metal vocals sounding the same when people start using AI.
I agree with you hundred percent. Plus I like doing extreme vocals in Person around ppl and getting the wow factor. You won't get that with ai. Ai is more about 💩 and giggles.
You know I love you Bobby but I’m planting my flag on the opposite side of the field on this one. Rather than trying to “adapt” or “not get left behind” I’m drawing a hard line in the sand. Absolutely under no circumstances will I be outsourcing creative decisions to AI, and I also will not knowingly permit any AI generated sounds to make its way into anything I release publicly.
Other people may be fine with AI music but I’d rather not listen to it for a multitude of reasons, and it would be hypocritical of me to dislike it as a music fan but then turn around and use it in my own material. It’s an ethical stance for me. I’d rather die holding this flag than adapt to a world where I take shortcuts for things just to “keep up.”
I understand the value of this technology in helping those who have no other options, but when I was coming up I just rolled up my sleeves and learned how to do things myself, because that’s kind of the point of art is the struggle through the birth of something new. It’s like saying, “look what I made.”
Real art reinvigorates us humans, reminding us that we’re capable of more than just making problems for ourselves. AI “art” shouldn’t be anything more than a temporary crutch used to imitate art, unless you’re in the game for ulterior motives, like money, streams, followers, etc.
Giving away the process to AI is like hiring a robot to f*ck your wife. I don’t really see the point.
I have a video in the works about my thoughts on AI music, and it goes super deep so I won’t keep going here, but yeah man the more I learn about AI the higher I want to raise my middle finger, haha.
I’m proud to be on the losing side on this, because I stand with all of the great artists who are getting left here in the past with me. You kids go enjoy yourselves.
100% with you on that, man. I truly hate where AI is headed. I get the feeling that it's going to cheapen every creative medium to the point of being pretty much meaningless.
@@devinjohnson2377 Well the positive side of this is that for those of us who have a preference for the traditional stuff, the value of human-made art will likely increase a fuck-ton, assuming we trust those who are telling us that they didn't use generative AI. We'll have kind of our own subculture full of tons of different genres and art mediums all united under authenticity and it might actually be a pretty rad place to be.
OK Mr Blockbuster.
@@juleswinnfield9931that’s actually a really good analogy. Now that video rental stores are gone I realize how much they kicked ass.
@@gregfender well clearly you missed the point then and miss it now. GL fading away.
Just play it man holy hell all the yapping
To me the cool point about music is….making music. Surely there is room for AI generates tracks just like drum libraries have been around since basically forever by now - but I‘d never replace my singer by an AI.
Good for you. I have no singer in the first place, and that need brought me exactly here to this video.
@@andrew_kay well then - awesome that it helps you making music! Same with drums/ drum libraries for me.
@@andrew_kay become your own singer
Might as well generate the full track tbh
i wasnt scared until two days ago a punk track on udio i generated was.....shockingly good. the guitar had tasty bends. absolute facepalm. fuck.
I can’t wait to see AI live….. 😂
@@ErikAndersdon’t worry, there will be bands that are nothing more than models who perform live to backing tracks that AI wrote, played and sang in their entirety. People already pay big bucks to see pop stars dance to tracks without actually performing music. The bridge to human beings who pretend to perform to AI tracks isn’t that big. The future is bleak
Udio?
well some services does that
The original vocals are pretty good... probably not perfect, but I'm not sure I understand why someone would want to change them with A.I.?
They're not that great. You can see the real vibration in the growls when he's done. I sound like the original, but I cannot do the end product. It's a good tool for those of us who can scream mediocrely and just can't quite get there but still enjoy making music.
How do we know you're not AI Bobby ?
Pretty creepy actually, but the lid has been removed and there’s no way to get it back in the box. It will make you wonder if anything is being done by a human anymore.
Literally anything. You could be a bot for all I know, or myself...
@@toddhatfield5329 ha! very true but not a bot here, just a dude that likes riffing and recording!
Humans still have to interact. I used this to help with my album I just released yesterday so check it out.
Their website says "create copyright free cover vocals" ... Someone still owns the song guys
The terms "copyright free" and "cover" used in the same sentence says a lot about AI. Maybe someone should hack Audimee and throw it on Napster or Pirate Bay.
5:00 your recording is clipped. Can't you hear that high end clipping going on? The AI version is NOT clipped. Actually, the AI version I like better. But godz, you love to hear yourself talk, man. Just play the damn files - THEN explain. Everyone who can't, thinks AI will save them. hah
The Audimee voice sounds like it's false fold, while the original vocalist sounds more like fry or fry dominant hybrid screams, especially in the "pitched scream singing" section
"AI can't scream"
Neco-Arc model: Am I a joke to you?
For me you can use this as a hack tips to put your vocals much bigger into the mix.
For those who doesn't want layering vocals with every take and to save your time. But the results will be different. I already used this technique quite often but I still recommended you to take every possible vox you want to take, because there is a element that you need from the samples.
Good luck!
And good content! :D
I still think the original voice sounds better in this example but I do have to say that the AI did a pretty good job.
I used one of their AI female vocals as a backing voice in one of my songs. I am not a singer so I just talked and I have to say it not only done a good job with the voice but it done well with Polish language as well.
There were some frazes that didn't sound quite on point but overall it was acceptable.
I'm yet to try it as a main vocal but like I said, I am not a vocalist so getting a good performance is a bit tricky. 😆
Try the AI tool ACE and you can check out DR MIX video about it and he do show how tou use it and what is capable of.
Maybe you should try seeing converge or dillinger live. It’ll change your mind about screaming.
Warning: The Ragnar voice is NOT free to try. You tricked me into clicking your link and wasting my time. I might have actually liked the product and paid, but we will never know because I am not going to waste more time on this.....
The real problem is where our money will come from. Pressure needs to be put on governments to adapt; technological movement is inevitable and potentially good. Elon musk rightly Reframes the money issue in terms of Universal High (vs basic) Income.
The real question for an artist is why do you do what you do.
AI may, in regard to music, take away (or actually amplify, at least in the short term, if you know how to use it right) your: money, glory, attention, feeling needed by others.
If you make music for your own personal sense/experience of achievement, growth, beauty or therapy, then relax and continue on!
Thank you so much for using our song in this awesome video!
Meh~ it has to start harsh to start with presumably. Lots of artifacts in some of it that sound like FFT phase weirdness. I suppose in some situations.
Thing is as a music fan and a musician I end up battling people constantly who don't understand tools like this over things like the accusations about tracks live and "autotune" and this just makes the problem worse. Just like with autotune "hey do you suck at singing? You too can make a hit record!". Getting all excited about this just makes it worse for real harsh vocalists who can't get away from accusations that they aren't really doing it. Especially the women in metal. "No way does a woman sound like that". A few can and do. These techniques take years to learn and perfect so no it's not a good thing.
If you suck at harsh vocals maybe you shouldn't do them because faking it is fake period and by using this you crap all over people you probably admire by promoting something that is fake just to push yourself into the business IMO. No you aren't the same as someone who has been doing it for real on stage for 15 years. People who don't know better may think so, but what are you going to do when you can't do it live? Pop singers have a really bad reputation at this point for faking it, lip syncing, doing everything with tracks, not being able to sing with out autotune. Great you made a metal record with AI now what? Metal fans aren't like pop fans. If they find out you're faking it they won't let it go so you shouldn't be glad that you started out in your home studio making fake voices because if it launches you into something else, you can't live up to what you created.
Old school early 90's production death metal trick . Pitch your full session up a couple have steps and sing your death metal vocal then when you pitch it down to its original key you have a nice natural warm and deep sounding vocal
Yep. Especially on tape, it makes everything sound heavy af. It also emphasises the natural timing variations of real musicians.
Is there any tutorial showing that?
I've heard the scream type of vocals done by AI a few months ago for the first time. And it did surprise me... so this is not new to me. But also what is the application of this really? How do we benefit? how do we apply this in a live setting? have a backing vocals for a live band? It's fun to mess about with this but ultimately I find it useless
lame
How bout people learning how to train their voice? Maybe too much work involved, but it’s rewarding.
Wow this is insane!!!!🤯🤯
How bad can the original performance be? 😆
I liked the original high vocal. From this video it seems like it's just eq, and not really A.I. I thought you were going to take a singing type vocals and turn it into metal. Additionally, most DAW's these days have ways to add distortion and bring vocals up and down octaves.
I’d like this to work in real time while I’m singing in church like Voicelive touch 2 portable unit be cool
Sounds surreal! It seems like a perfect songwriting tool for conveying ideas to vocalists, saying 'My vision is to capture that performance and grit in this song.' On the other hand, it might discourage many vocalists who feel their vocals aren't at that level, leading songwriters and producers to keep searching and ultimately hiring a pro, which isn't cheap. Personally, I'm looking for AI singing and voice cloning plugins that effectively mimic characteristics, emotions, and human factors, and work seamlessly in a native DAW environment as third-party plugin.Any recommendations?
thanks for the info 😍😍😍
it feels wrong but would be cool to hear my potential vocal idea for demos only.
that's the correct use IMHO. get something to work with, then find a vocalist that can do a decent job (it's too hard to find perfect). wish I could still sing and do vocals similar alright Myself but after years of chain smoking...well...it sucks but I can't pull it off anymore 😕
I see it as being great for backing vocals. No matter how many takes, and how many harmonies I sing, it still sounds like a choir of Daves.
Any ideas afor generating classical heavy metal? (more like iron maiden, helloween)
I don’t agree that you’re making “your” music sound pro, unless you’re using it as a tool for writing, NOT a tool for doing vocals that you can’t pull off in real life (good luck performing it live which is where the money is) this only helps the people who want to make music but don’t have the skills. They still need to learn it to perform it. This was okay in the days of people composing things alone it’s okay to be a good composer and not be able to play anything. Maybe you just have golden ideas. But here, the ideas are not your own, so I personally don’t understand why you’d even want to use it. That being said, I’m not a drummer, and I’ve been using Logics AI drummer since it came out like 6-7 years ago I think, maybe longer. And suggesting settings in plug-ins and what not? We already have presets for that. Presets styled by professional humans. All the AI is going to do is tweet things to make sure that your inputs and outputs are set correctly. That way you don’t have too much gain reduction happening on a setting that is only supposed to be hitting at like four or 5 dB of gain reduction. I will speed up the process on mundane things and make it easier for single musicians to produce demos, but people will always like real music, no matter what I will always be looking for something that’s made by humans that comes with an aspect of human experience. People don’t latch on to bands & make them superstars because their music is good necessarily they do it because they relate to the story and relate to the image and message of the band. I cannot re-create that, nobody’s going to “worship” AI like they do pop stars. No one is going to aspire to want to be like AI or want to dress like AI in case you’re not aware for last 50 or so years or longer music has influenced every single cultural and fashion trend, and is a huge part of how people identify in their lives, what music they listen to and what artist they like.those, will never replace that. You want a good answer on how not to get replaced by AI as an artist, just ask AI ha ha it’ll give you a beautiful answer on exactly what it cannot re-create. And in short, human story and human experience popular artists have a way of tapping into the current subconscious of the public, I can’t do that because it first needs to study what’s going on and create models. And that’s an answer from ChatGPT itself.
If the choice actually does come down to getting on board with AI or getting left behind then I think I’d rather just be left behind then. Thats just me though.
You’re not alone, friend.
ehm...I mean for your songwriting process or...private fantasies fine but what do you actually expect from this? 😀 Just learn singing and screaming, it's not that hard especially when you just focus on fry vocals.
"WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY!" and "I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT BRUTAL!" are my favourite quotes so far 😂
Dude... voice modulators for screaming have been huge since 2008 and probably a few years before that. Still fly by TDWP (Big tymers cover) used voice modulation.
This is awesome for the solo producer or hobbyist. You can create background vocals done by five, six, or 6000 people. Unless you’re recording something with one microphone like Robert Johnson, you’re already partway down this path anyway. You might as well lean into AI it’s not going away.
This guy is way too excited and amazed by what he actually achieved! He turned a fine real performance into a decent AI performance... Uhh, sooo? NO ONE is gonna replace a GOOD REAL vocal with a passable AI performance! 😫 The only way this would have been cool is if u took a CLEAN vocal and turned it into an AI growl OR if u took a shitty growled vocal and turned it into decent AI vocal.
So many of you fake so called music producer's etc,etc,
What's your actual experience
What's your background
Do you still live with your parents
Honestly this entire AI push has made me go backwards. When i first started playing in the early 90s, it was about jamming along to my favorite records and then jamming with other people.
This entire focus on literally everyone trying to mix/master at professional level with 90% VSTs instruments (and now AI voices) in aome desperate attempt to get aome attention in a Spotify playlist that no one will listen to just leaves me feeling hollow and empty. Yes, its cool to capture ideas, amd yes, we can do things now that we could never do without tens of thousands of dollars thirty years ago, but I'm not really aure its a good tradeoff to be honest. I don't want to hear a million besroom producers using "Ragnar", Superior Drummer 3, Eurobass 3, and Odin 3- I want to hear actual people making actual music. But maybe im just an old, bitter Gen Xer who is out of touch.
But now can it replicate?Something as beautiful as the high and vocalist of symphonic heavy metal with female front singers, Like Sharon den Adele and Charlotte Wessels.And Simone Simons and on and on?
🙋 hi! I already do all of that. I write my own lyrics and all that. Anyways when it comes to EDM and dubstep I have a little more freedom to remastering each song but it's all good. If AI music isn't your jam that's cool but it's what I do. It's like 1/10th of the total video creation. I don't do cheap prompting and uploads like lots of others so. 😂 I put a lot of work into my music.
So everybody should jump on board with the technology so we can completely eliminate any kind of unique musical talent? I don't know man, that sounds like everybody's trying to auto tune everything. I would much prefer to have AI handle all the necessary tasks in my life so that way I can actually enjoy my life doing the things I love doing like music. I don't want to allow AI to take over the things I like doing. Shit seems backwards. Plus, if you're always changing somebody's live production with AI, how are you going to generate that live when they're doing shows? Are all vocalists going to be singing through an AI vocal processor now? If that's the case, then that means my dog can be a great singer. 🤘🐶
I'm sorry, but this whole "screaming" death/speed metal thing sounds like it's made for 6th grade boys, who think it sounds scary, or macho, or something. Most of the time, like in this example, it doesn't even sound like screaming -- it sounds somebody doing a cartoon monster voice, or at best fake screaming. I recorded a band with a screamy vocalist, and what he was doing wasn't even loud. He just pressed right on the mic and made a scary monster voice. No emotion. No dynamics. The whole style is so rigid and formulaic, it might as well be the same song over and over, with different titles. Boring and silly.
I don't understand the appeal of such non-musical "music."
I think thall should have different type of vocals than the ordeniry metal screaming (including animal, guttteral, tunel throath and so on). I mean new experimental technic.Maybe AI could be useful in that case. It's like got the metal sound of 21st century, but the vocals are stuck in the 20th century. Hope you get what i mean.
I can do better with Alterego honestly ,but this is not too bad! As for what this does for music...NO DEAL! maybe as a backing vocalist,NEVER main vocal
To everyone with the “AI IS BAD” mentality. It’s a tool. Like any tool. It’s not replacing anyone. A hammer cannot replace a carpenter. But you’d be hard pressed to find a carpenter who doesn’t own and use a hammer.
Will some people use it irresponsibility? Absolutely, people will be people. Will it help people in streamlining certain process on the studio? Absolutely.
You need to look at it in context of who is this tool for. If it doesn’t make sense to you, guess what… you’re not the intended audience.
It’s kind of like, if there was an AI that could play guitar for you because you suck, then you wouldn’t suck because the AI played it for you. Which would mean you still suck and have no integrity to boot
It already can replace some modern metal vocalist, cause they sound the same. But I highly doubt that it will replace someone like Corey Taylor, Winston McCall, Sully Erna and so on
Yeah get it to work on the Grimm vocals also.(Immortal, Dimmu)
Not just brutal and deathcore. And for a true test, see if that thing could pull off Behemoth.
We got to stop calling that style “ screaming “. It’s growling and making voices. Try screaming to get someone’s attention far away. They won’t hear you. lol. It’s not screaming. It’s making demon voices and growling.
I'll take 3rd world genoc*de era John Connelly over any screamer anytime. Vocals are not a strength of modern metal. It's not always a bad thing, but it rarely gets any better than passable. At worst, it gets corny af.
It doesn't matter at all if the song was composed by a real band or a kid in his computer. The only thing that matter is if i like the song or not. And btw, already exist AI that compose full songs really well. I tested myself by prompt. So...... We are entering in a new era hard to read yet.
Honestly if not getting on board with AI means getting left behind then I'd rather be left behind. If you think this is a good thing then you're completely missing the point of music as an art form. AI and automation was meant to take over the menial repetitive jobs and tasks that nobody wants to do giving us all more time to explore art and creativity, it's really sad that the opposite seems to be happening and so many people seem to be okay with this. AI generated content isn't art, it's soulless and derivative. But I guess metal music has basically been that for about two decades now so maybe this is a natural evolution after all. Really sad tbh
Who cares. Real fans will pay for real vocals. For me even people who listen to metal with AutoTune engaged, are not worth it. So, bye bye. Listen to robots😅
Well said. I've been getting given shit from my mates for using AI, but I've got some absolutely crazy stuff in the mix
We got a good decade or so before AI even approaches what a real musician does. It always lacks tonal dynamics in comparison to the real thing.
Now that I think about it, that could be super useful in certain genres.
I can see that as a voice enhancer tool that is not as cheating as autotune stuff. It picks your actual singing performance and just change the voice to something more palatable to the ears. I bet that before AI there was tools to do some of those tricks with analog or maybe digital means. AI is just more powerful
Ha, music production got weird 20 years ago….thats why there hasn’t been a good song since then. Everything sounds the same ….auto tune no talent having screamers
Thanks mr brand ambassador, we all know how metalheads would love us some more fake in our lives. We will not need to bother to make music anymore, we will let AI entertain whilst we go get a real job as AI trainers.
13:34 HELL YES!!!
If any vocalist sound like shit to where it would benefit them to use AI . Man, that seems fake. Wouldn't it be better to put the time in and practice and perfect your craft
Just let me know when humans are no longer needed. I mean what the point in doing anything. Artists no longer need to create anything since AI is doing everything and I’m pretty sure the industry leaders will just use AI to sell music and pocket all the profits.
The cold embrace of oblivion, my final breath
In the void of nothingness, I welcome death
A.I
That vocal sounds like what Meatcanyon thinks Jojo Siwa sounds like.
This has honestly been going on for many years in the studio. Maybe it hasn't been AI but Auto tune is just as bad. No one is real anymore. My buddy had to go record an album for a band because they suck so bad. They hired my guitarist and other mates to record the album.
The only people who use AI in "music" production are people who can't play an instrument or sing. So nothing changes.
No, No No!!! I refuse to change! This is not creativity!! I make music for the love of it, so to hell with AI! I don't care for this at all!
Yo Ragnar is totally NOT free and requires money to upgrade just to sample it... Way to lie to everyone
Not so free to check the ragnar voice)) I dont know will it works good for me. From your video I sow that you dont actually need to use AI couse your raw sound is nice enough to use it it self.
The good thing is that we already know what it does for pop music...we have been hearing it for years! ;)
That's was not rock, it was heavy Metal
I think this will result in the raw, unprocessed renaissance that I've been waiting for. I can't stand this stuff.
Rings of Saturn should use this in the future to make a comeback LOL
These tools are for bored producers and not for people accually listening to music. Fail.
We're cooked man goodbye my music career so much for all that hard work I put into guitar. AI is evil
so, making a decent take sound worse is the future? I d be way more impressed, if it made a really bad take into a really good one...
I see how this can be awesome for making demos. Does that mean you can record your screaming vocals in a normal speaking voice at say… 2:00 am and not freak out the neighbors and I can demo songs?
And I did click on this because the title said “free”. Having something free for a limited time doesn’t make it free. I probably will try the app but won’t use your code for it.
I appreciate what this is, but i prefer actual people with actual talent. Even if it’s not as polished as an AI at least it’s respect worthy.
It's not hard ,it takes alot of practice and testing what works for you and you'll get there.
I wonder how the artists would feel with there voice being on a track they didn't make 😅
Upside is that when this fake trash takes over, the reaction will be that people will start valuing real music again.
this is premium ai shill propaganda 😂 i wish youtube still displayed the downvotes
soon we will be buying tickets to watch robocop live 😂 or a computer play a show
I think it should be upto the artist if its used and always disclosed in some way if AI is used as its not entirely ethical to use it without the artists permission.
using the super metal vocal did not show a thing. Too much talk.
I want Jason Aldean to cover "Better Days" by Staind.
As an engineer/producer who works primarily with acoustic and electro-acoustic instruments and mostly with artists who want to maintain a significant level of realism in their recordings, I could see using this tech to layer in under the actual performed vocals, in the same way that drum samples and impulse responses have long since been commonly used. Also useful for live reinforcement of performances as a backing track.
From a broader creative standpoint, it would be fun to hear how far some of the parameters can be pushed for fantastic effects.
To note, these synthesized voices have the same tale tale sound that other AI vocals do: a particular ringing echo-like sound. It’s very subtle, but once I started noticing it, I can hear it on all the AI stuff. Especially higher voices. I know most people don’t hear it, so from an audience acceptance standpoint, it probably doesn’t matter. And it will probably be refined away as the tech improves.
Very interesting…and challenging us to question what our role will be moving forward. Thanks for the look at this tech 🙏🏽
Perhaps a DeReverb will do the trick.
Screams are technically pitchless octiving is hard
Haha then we gonna go to AI concerts, looking at a huge screen and listening to AI-generated songs
I just saw an AI version of Mayhems DeMysteriis but with Dead on vox.
What about blending the real vocals with ai vocals?
It's not free to use Ragnar anymore.