Fred's character was such a stick-in-the-mud all the time, and it was only natural that a free spirit like Jackie would get bored with him after a while. She had just come out of an abusive relationship and probably needed the safety that someone like Fred could give her, but he always stifled her fun-loving nature by being such a wet blanket.
I agree. He was a good guy But not for Jackie They were so different They only got married because they had a kid. I dont think there was alot of love there
@@songriver1232 A man like Fred would have been a good provider and would never have touched her in anger, but once Jackie put the abusive relationship with Fisher behind her and the son got older, she realized that she and Fred were two different people and neither was terribly happy. In one episode, she’s disappointed because Fred doesn’t want to have sex in the car with her, haha.
Before you all blame Fred, keep in mind that Dan got into his head before dinner and kept making comments how about sexually active Jackie was in the past.
The difference between the way Laurie Metcalf played Jackie on the original show vs. the reboot is very jarring. She now plays her like a shrieking, hysterical cartoon character.
For a very brief period of time, when Fred was first friends with Dan, but before Fred started dating Jackie, I liked him and thought he was going to be a fun addition to the show. When Jackie first asked him out, I was hopeful they might be a good couple, but I was disappointed by what the writers did to his character starting immediately after that date. Fred had pretty good comedic chemistry with Dan and I'd hoped that would translate to his relationship with Jackie, but as others have pointed out, Fred became dull and boring and passive-aggressive and just really unappealing, in my opinion. On the other hand, Jackie was so free-spirited, maybe settling down just wasn't for her.
Jackie had her mean moments too. She originally was planning on keeping him from his baby like he didn't have a say until Dan, Mark, even David talked sense into her on how wrong she was for that.
People say Jackie was free spirited and perhaps she was it is hard to tell when she is usually uptight, moody and mean to Fred most of the time. Fred was dull but he was a decent ok guy.
I love and hate Jackie. She had a perfectly good man back in the early seasons (Gary). But her ridiculous ego destroyed the relationship. Fred was also a wonderful man who was funny and loving. The only hangup these two had was that he was vanilla in bed, and suddenly Jackie feels like she's too good for him (though that didn't stop her from throwing herself at him when they barely knew each other). I get people have preferences but when you have a baby it's not about you anymore, it's about what's best for the kid. She should've stayed with Fred, but again her ridiculous ego destroyed a perfectly good marriage. If anything Fred was too good for *her* . Now I'm glad she's growing old alone. Funny character, but such an idiot.
Yeah, I have a similar opinion. Thanks for reminding me the name of the other good guy, who did not want for her to become a cop. Sure, we knew Gary less than Fred, but he seemed fine. Good, stable, and loving guy. I remember that I first saw Roseanne as a kid when it aired in my country in the 90's, and even then was baffled what Jackie problem with Fred was. Not to mention that stupid plot, when Fred literally did everything right, and she wanted to cut him off from the life of his kid. He was a parent too, had rights, yet the show was pushing Jackie point of view, with Roseanne all indignant when Fred wanted to take Jackie to court. I mean the guy literally tried everything before to be a part of his future child life, so what was left for him? Do not get me wrong. I like Jackie, she is very funny and likebale (not in the renewal, but I do not care about that show anyway), but just so, so stupid and selfish. Yes, selfish, becausehe had a good man, and should also cosider what kind of a father he would be for their kid. Not just looking at herself, and me, me , me all the time. How many attempts did she have for relationships, and how many times she failed? These failures should make her to appreciate good thing.
@@Sig509 Yep. Gary wanted Jackie to quit the force and she didn't like it. But what makes it even MORE ridiculous is that Jackie had gotten injured and already wasn't allowed to continue her career as a cop. So there was literally no point in the big argument they had. She just wanted to be "right" and feel "strong & independent" and look where that got her. She sabotaged her own life sadly.
"well, I didn't know all of them". LOL This is funny, but it also is one of the moments that makes Jackie so unlikable. "See, this is how your mess of a life is all your fault, Jackie."
Agreed. Not to sound redpilled, but she's the poster child of a woman who's given herself away so many times that she struggles to connect with a genuinely good man. Then she puts the blame on him while still wailing, "Where's all the good men gone??" I love and hate her so much.
@@BleedingGrafitti My sentiments exactly. Early in the show, I rooted for Jackie. Especially after how horribly Fisher treated her. But then she seemed to get much worse after that, and I went from cheering her on to facepalming.
@@ZetaReticuli_ For me the breaking point was her wanting to cut Fred off their child life. I mean how mean, and selfish do you have to be? She was an interesting character, but as the seasons followed she went downhill like the whole show. She might have been quirky, and stupid, but later on became like a cartoon character. Roseanne lost her funny bits with the lost of her weight. The "better" looking she was, the meaner the charcter became, and the whole show in general. I like it (not the stupid renewal), but you can't be blind to the slide in quality as the season go on.
@@Sig509 I totally agree with you. I used to kind of cheer for the Jackie character in the beginning. And like you said, after the way she treated Fred, I was done with her. And like you pointed out, she wasn't the only character like that, that took a turn for the worse. Take Darlene for example. She was the smartest one on the house, and if anyone that family was going to make something of themselves, it would have been her. But nope.
The best scene, she kills it 😂
She is a phenomenal actress
One of my favorite scenes ever
“3 a year for 20 years is 60...god!...I don’t even know 60 people”
Well she didn’t KNOW all of them lol
@@BrandyTexas214 lmao ✔😂🤣
"Oh look they've got dancing on Fridays."
Man 20th Century America was a different place.
"No, I haven't had him."
"Oh WELL..Slept with.".. 🤔.. "That's not what you ask me." 😂🤣😂🤣🤣
Fred’s face after she said that 😂😂
I wish they would have stayed together. I loved Fred, especially before he cut his hair and shaved his beard.
One of my all time favorite moments!
I didn't know all of them!
Great scene. "WOW! I don't even KNOW 60 people." 😂🤣🤣
well I didn't KNOW all of them!
I feel like when they were casting for this role this guy walked in and they were like, hired!!
Fred's character was such a stick-in-the-mud all the time, and it was only natural that a free spirit like Jackie would get bored with him after a while. She had just come out of an abusive relationship and probably needed the safety that someone like Fred could give her, but he always stifled her fun-loving nature by being such a wet blanket.
Fred was awesome 👌
I agree.
He was a good guy
But not for Jackie
They were so different
They only got married because they had a kid.
I dont think there was alot of love there
@@songriver1232 A man like Fred would have been a good provider and would never have touched her in anger, but once Jackie put the abusive relationship with Fisher behind her and the son got older, she realized that she and Fred were two different people and neither was terribly happy. In one episode, she’s disappointed because Fred doesn’t want to have sex in the car with her, haha.
Love how people call it free spirited and not just a slut 😆
It’s true. Good guy though.
I see that golf scholarship didn't work out for old Fred...
Laurie has the most extraordinary acting range. Her role in Lady Bird, and her appearances on Broadway, where she’s won TWO Tony Awards.
I loved the old Jackie. But honest to God some of her hair cuts were 🥺🤭😂
O'Keefe can kill it everytime.
Loooool oh god this is literally me and my ex boyfriend's conversation when we started seeing each other 😂😂😂
Jackie really slept around 😄
That's nothing compared to women younger than her with a body count 100+ lol
@@Bella-Mae0422 I know those kinds of numbers exist in TV shows and stuff but even the easiest of girls I've met didn't have body counts like that....
Those are tbe women you don't wife up.....
Reminds me of my X Lizann. She started @ age 12, and is now 58. 6 marriages, and you do the math.
Man I guess Danny Noonan didn't go to law school after all
“Since you were what, 18?”
“… okay, we’ll go with that…”
Lmao
😂 im Jackie, except for having a child 😅
Before you all blame Fred, keep in mind that Dan got into his head before dinner and kept making comments how about sexually active Jackie was in the past.
He's better than Booker
Which episode was this?
Season 6 Episode 20 "Past Imperfect"
Round down
I wonder why Jackie's son didn't come out on their new series "Conners"
The difference between the way Laurie Metcalf played Jackie on the original show vs. the reboot is very jarring. She now plays her like a shrieking, hysterical cartoon character.
That was Jackie on the original. Did you not watch Roseanne?
@@notthefather3919 I'm aware this was the original. You don't need to spend any more time correcting strangers on the internet.
That's pretty much what they did to her the last couple seasons of the original show. They turned her into a cartoon character.
@@christopherhughes9787 Agreed. She was hamming up every scene in the last two seasons.
For a very brief period of time, when Fred was first friends with Dan, but before Fred started dating Jackie, I liked him and thought he was going to be a fun addition to the show. When Jackie first asked him out, I was hopeful they might be a good couple, but I was disappointed by what the writers did to his character starting immediately after that date. Fred had pretty good comedic chemistry with Dan and I'd hoped that would translate to his relationship with Jackie, but as others have pointed out, Fred became dull and boring and passive-aggressive and just really unappealing, in my opinion. On the other hand, Jackie was so free-spirited, maybe settling down just wasn't for her.
I think he was supposed to be the straight man to Jackie’s absurdity
She had his baby. She has no choice but to settle down, since "free spirit time is over.
36?! What do you mean 36? Does that include me?!
37! My girlfriend sucked 37 dicks.”
@@HorrorGod920 in a row!?
Why couldn't you just sleep with em like any other decent person
I didn't care for the Fred character, he was often mean to Jackie 😥 and they had no chemistry
Fred was just a rebound after Fisher, but she got pregnant so she stayed with him.
Jackie had her mean moments too. She originally was planning on keeping him from his baby like he didn't have a say until Dan, Mark, even David talked sense into her on how wrong she was for that.
People say Jackie was free spirited and perhaps she was it is hard to tell when she is usually uptight, moody and mean to Fred most of the time. Fred was dull but he was a decent ok guy.
I love and hate Jackie. She had a perfectly good man back in the early seasons (Gary). But her ridiculous ego destroyed the relationship. Fred was also a wonderful man who was funny and loving. The only hangup these two had was that he was vanilla in bed, and suddenly Jackie feels like she's too good for him (though that didn't stop her from throwing herself at him when they barely knew each other). I get people have preferences but when you have a baby it's not about you anymore, it's about what's best for the kid.
She should've stayed with Fred, but again her ridiculous ego destroyed a perfectly good marriage. If anything Fred was too good for *her* . Now I'm glad she's growing old alone. Funny character, but such an idiot.
Yeah, I have a similar opinion. Thanks for reminding me the name of the other good guy, who did not want for her to become a cop. Sure, we knew Gary less than Fred, but he seemed fine. Good, stable, and loving guy.
I remember that I first saw Roseanne as a kid when it aired in my country in the 90's, and even then was baffled what Jackie problem with Fred was. Not to mention that stupid plot, when Fred literally did everything right, and she wanted to cut him off from the life of his kid. He was a parent too, had rights, yet the show was pushing Jackie point of view, with Roseanne all indignant when Fred wanted to take Jackie to court. I mean the guy literally tried everything before to be a part of his future child life, so what was left for him?
Do not get me wrong. I like Jackie, she is very funny and likebale (not in the renewal, but I do not care about that show anyway), but just so, so stupid and selfish. Yes, selfish, becausehe had a good man, and should also cosider what kind of a father he would be for their kid. Not just looking at herself, and me, me , me all the time. How many attempts did she have for relationships, and how many times she failed? These failures should make her to appreciate good thing.
@@Sig509 Yep. Gary wanted Jackie to quit the force and she didn't like it. But what makes it even MORE ridiculous is that Jackie had gotten injured and already wasn't allowed to continue her career as a cop. So there was literally no point in the big argument they had. She just wanted to be "right" and feel "strong & independent" and look where that got her. She sabotaged her own life sadly.
How is she gonna get mad am him not being a big of rostitute lol
Wasn’t the waiter who said Hi that Tax Guy Roseanne tried to get Jackie to date ?
No. The guy you're talking about was named Art, and it's not the same guy.
That guy turned out to be Bulldog from Frasier.
"well, I didn't know all of them". LOL
This is funny, but it also is one of the moments that makes Jackie so unlikable.
"See, this is how your mess of a life is all your fault, Jackie."
Agreed. Not to sound redpilled, but she's the poster child of a woman who's given herself away so many times that she struggles to connect with a genuinely good man. Then she puts the blame on him while still wailing, "Where's all the good men gone??" I love and hate her so much.
@@BleedingGrafitti My sentiments exactly. Early in the show, I rooted for Jackie. Especially after how horribly Fisher treated her. But then she seemed to get much worse after that, and I went from cheering her on to facepalming.
@@ZetaReticuli_ For me the breaking point was her wanting to cut Fred off their child life. I mean how mean, and selfish do you have to be? She was an interesting character, but as the seasons followed she went downhill like the whole show. She might have been quirky, and stupid, but later on became like a cartoon character.
Roseanne lost her funny bits with the lost of her weight. The "better" looking she was, the meaner the charcter became, and the whole show in general. I like it (not the stupid renewal), but you can't be blind to the slide in quality as the season go on.
@@Sig509 I totally agree with you. I used to kind of cheer for the Jackie character in the beginning. And like you said, after the way she treated Fred, I was done with her.
And like you pointed out, she wasn't the only character like that, that took a turn for the worse. Take Darlene for example. She was the smartest one on the house, and if anyone that family was going to make something of themselves, it would have been her. But nope.
Yeah I'm Jackie except for a child 😂