How Mourinho FORCED A Team To Win Against Their Will
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How good was Mourinho's Manchester United actually? #GOAT
New video about one of the most talked about teams we've seen over the 2010's in football. In this episode we take on Mourinho's M;anchester United who won the Europa League, League Cup and Community Shield, with players like Pogba, Lukaku and Alexis Sanchez.
0:00 Please like the video, it helps TREMENDOUSLY
00:48 Why Did Mourinho Join A Club In Ruins
2:34 How Mourinho Was Sabotaged By The Board
5:05 How He INSTANTLY Became The Greatest Since Fergie
8:11 Why Did United Keep Signing AVERAGE Players?!
9:55 The Most UNDERRATED Achievement Of Mourinho's Career
13:18 When His OWN Players TURNED AGAINST HIM - กีฬา
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As time passes by, United keeps on proving that Mourinho and Cristiano were right all along
Cristiano? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Mourinho? Yes. CR7? No
If ten Hag really built the squad around Ronaldo, like Ronaldo really needs at this point in his carrer, I can't help but wonder how far they would have gone in that season.
@@d3w222Built the club around that old horse? No disrespect, but are you fucking kidding with me? How many games can he play anymore? He is not Messi, who can still perform at top level even without his pace.
@@d3w222I hope you’re being sarcastic. He’s absolutely done with modern football at the highest level. Amazing player but even the striker needs to be dynamic and press with the team now, as with the best teams in Europe now. He just doesn’t have the legs for it anymore. Not for 90 minutes. There might be one or two teams with tactics that suit him but none of the top clubs.
So what I’m saying is gtfo with your absolutely ridiculous and stupid comment that exposes that you don’t even watch matches. Maybe try watching the top teams play.
I'm a Man United fan, but damn!!! if Mourinho saying finishing 2nd place in the EPL with Man U was one of his best achievement. I believe him
OGS who will never win a champions league, managed the same result 2 years later with a worse squad. I think Mou is nuts if he doesn't think winning the UCL at Porto was a better accomplishment.
You got it wrong and did not understand. Mourinho meant: finishing 2nd with that "CRAPPY MANCHESTER UNITED SQUAD" was one of his best achievements. And he was right.
Since he left Man United in 2018, the club has spent 700MILLION on players, and they're even worse.
@@phightinphil25 Since leaving Man United, OGS can't even get hired.
@@BinkyTheGoddessDivine I am not convinced he wants to manage in Norway anymore and perhaps nobody else has called. Perhaps he viewed Manchester United as his perfect move and he doesn't want to manage anybody else again. I don't know I am not Ole. Either way it proves my point though if OGS can get 2nd too then Mou did well but hardly earth splitting compared to his catalog of all time great managerial seasons.
@phightinphil25 You have no clue what you're talking about. Stop using Google Translate and go brush up on your own English writing skills. It's never too late to get an education, and in most places, it's free. Buh bye...
Pure class manager. Hated when we had to play against him, being as a Liverpool fan, and love his winning mentality. Box office.
My problem with Mourinho is that the image of him is bigger than what he actually is. For eg. Every other manager is judged for what they do NOW and Mourinho is the only manager to be considered the best because of what he did many years ago
Morinho has 0 points in italy rn, that clasay he is
@@lucianradu6858
0 points eh?
@@lucianradu6858ur are not the brightest eh. He has 1 point. First game draw against Salernitan. Second game lost against Hellas Verona and third game lost against AC Milan
@@footballhipstertvwell now he took Roma to 2 european finals in a row even tho they are midtable quality team
Mourinho should have lead united to the title but the glazers just didn't want to back him
Also, he's not that good anymore.
@@brianduru3753 his squad was very very Underwhelming and lacked real quality
Didn't help he had playerd handed yp him he didn't want
Don't Mourinho wouldn't be the last. After such a great transfer window this season, ETH will soon follow. As he is also very dominating manager.
didn't back him? he spent almost 400 mill in 2 years there loool
@@JacePT_ He hand picked a lot of those players though. Lindelof, Bailly, Pogba etc....
And in any case, Pep got 100 points in 2018 and 98 points in 2019. Mourinho is a good manager, but he's not attacking enough to get his teams to get that many points.
And please do not reply with 2012. That was a lifetime ago. He was really goof then, now not so much.
It's incredible how so many people deem Mourinho's tenure at United a "failure" even though he won them a Euro cup (among other titles) and then call Ten Hag the saviour of United for winning an EFL cup
It's all about media manipulation. Mourinho is disliked by media just like cr7. So they smear their image anyway they can. And people just fall for this trap.
mou had 2 full seasons tho
ten hag has had only one till now
problem with united is post fergie they haven't had a proper "long term manager" which is killing the team, they need a good manager and back him for like 2-3 seasons even if they don't win anything but show promising results just like arsenal did with arteta or liverpool did with klopp
after united lost to arsenal there are already shouts of sacking ten hag, united's fanbase is impatient, ole had probably the best away record for united and finished 2nd with that team and took them to europa finals but he was sacked because of a rough stint around november 2021
united under ten hag till now hasn't seen a big rough patch (5-7 games winless), the longest united went winless is of 3 games which had a 7-0, loss to liverpool, 0-0 draw to southampton and 2-0 loss to newcastle
@@randomhooman3236Jose won more in his full season with less quality
@@randomhooman3236Oh yeah,and now look at what that bald head Ten Hag doing,what a joke
@@randomhooman3236Man UTD with that team was better
Mourinho did all that could be done; even Pep Guardiola would have failed with that board. Imagine if Mourinho was managing City and Pep was managing United that year. I would see City winning that title again
100%, pep is good but he needs super teams to be good, mourinho could literally take a bang average footballer and turn him into a star, thats the stark difference between them, both are great though
@@SidTheShid That bang average footballer must be willing to do the hard yards both offensively and defensively.
With ManUtd having had in the past and still has selfish players unwilling to track back CONSISTENTLY EVERY MATCH then there is little hope of winning MAJOR titles.
Listing some of the main offenders: Rashford, Greenwood, Sancho, Martial, POGBA, Antony, Ronaldo, Lingard, Shaw, Sanchez!
When you have several of these on the field AT THE SAME TIME then you have a glaring weakness that can be exploited with hard working defenders that run to create 2-1 situations thereby constantly overwhelming the midfielders!
Fred and McTominay in recent years have copped a heap of abuse at not being good enough but IS IT REALLY THEIR FAULT!!
I put the blame squarely on the LAZY forwards!
@@silvb4952 I 100% agree
Mourinho could have still done alot better with the squad he had at Man Utd, only if Pogba hadn't made the whole dressing room go against him and if the board and fans didn't back those clueless players.
@@silvb4952Ronaldo didn’t have the legs to track back tbf. Even so I saw Ronaldo pressing more than the other players you mentioned combined. When a forward compensates with goals out of nothing I have no issue. But now I still don’t see the attackers tracking back or pressing. Hell, I’m more pissed our midfielders can’t track runners. The goals we conceded against Brighton were all cuz the midfielders didn’t track the runners on the edge of the box. Don’t even get me started on Rashford not tracking back and selfish on the ball. You’re right when you have loads of players like this it destroys everything
Your video is spot on about what was happenning during Mourinho era at Manchester United. And sadly, IT IS STILL HAPPENNING NOW at Manchester United. The United board is a disgrace and they have no dignity.
United are a clown show at this point. The whole club is rotten.
#Glazersout
QATAR PLEASE SAVE US FROM THIS HELLLL
But now you have a bunch of fans that celebrate 1 carabao cup as if they won the UCL and you have ten hag blaming players and having the worst signing decisions
@@kensmnz3070and him kicking out cr7 and de gea when they had 2 more sessons in them
I know right ?? They always signing mid players with no creativity and bland playing
And now years later we see that mourinho was right…
United not listening to him when he said Pogba and Martial were toxic and needed to be shipped out has been pure karma.
With each new player drama and each embarrassing transfer window at United, Mourinho's words age like a fine wine 🤷♂
Mourinho is greater than Pep imo, even if Pep’s Barca was amazing, the fact Mourinho could win the UCL with Porto and an incredibly old Intermilan squad says just how good he is
edit: i stick to my point, mourinho is greater than pep, pep had super teams, mourinho had dirt, pep made super teams better, mourinho made teams like Porto into european champions, i say no more
Pep Is Clear
@@ASAPOSSApep a good manager but let’s be honest he lucky as fuck to get the teams he has gotten especially in man city
@@ASAPOSSApep is great, but did he win the champions league with underdogs? Or the treble? 👀
@@ASAPOSSA You are correct, Pep is clearly way below Mourinho. Give him a team like inter milan from 2010 or porto from 2004, he will get relegated.
He can only win with overpowered and talent stacked teams. The incredible barca team he managed and the current city squad, even gary neville as a coach could win league with them.
@@ASAPOSSA pep managed barca, bayern and city all of them had either amazing youth programs or infinite money compared to their competitors while mou managed chelsea which conceded only 15 goals a season, won the ucl with porto (the last time someone outside the top5 leagues did it) and won the treble with inter
managed the worst united squad and took roma to 2 consecutive european finals
he was the only manager who could have won a trophy with spurs but the board sacked him just days before the efl cup final
Mourinho wasn't the problem. The problem were the "viruses" in the team and he didn't get the players he wanted. He wanted Maguire but he didn't get him. But Ole (no disrespect to him) got him a year later. If you ask me why Jose didn't get him I can't ask why
We regret getting Maguire
The ones he wanted like pogba , matic , bailey were very inconsistent he wanted guys like milinkovic savic , griezzy but didnt get those
@@thedrinkinggamemaker9749Mourinho could have done wonders with Maguire who knows
@@thedrinkinggamemaker9749I think Maguire would have been better under Mourinho
@@traww275Matic in his first season was very good. Under Ole, he wasn't given a popular oppounity to play
Mourinho was United’s best chance of repeating the treble, only if he had Peps money
But United outspend City….. Still, Pep actually had the board on his side while it seemed like the board was against Mourinho.
mourinho's tactics were done, and the players he brought into the club were rubbish. perisic coming in wouldn't have been that great either considering rashford scored 20 odd goals the following season.
@@delmanpronto9374
Mourinho's tactics even won against Pep before Pep won the title.
The players that arrived were never Mourinho's choices. He asked for Morata, he was given Lukaku, he asked for a defender and he was given nothing... .
Meanwhile you had Manchester City whose owners never cared about money, they only care about success and the propaganda that came out of it.
@@delmanpronto9374 Mourinho is the best coach with the best tactics to win tournaments
@@yafaveleog8524 Pep's money means people behind the scenes like Man City.
Quick correction. David Moyes didn’t destroy everything Fergie built, it was already on the decline with an aging squad and a lack of investment from the Glazers. Sure he wasn’t good enough for Utd but he wasn’t supported and fergies last title was one of his most impressive!
Your on drugs.
What?? Moyes changed everything! You obviously don't follow Manchester United properly
Fergie never fixed that midfield after losing the 2011 UCL final to Barcelona.
Moyes did nothing positive upon arrival it's not fergies fault he was such a good coach who demanded respect and accountability from even trash or aging players. Only Fergie can win a league with bots
@@dondamon4669 Moyes’ biggest off field mistake was ignoring Fergie when he told him to keep his back room staff on, but instead Moyes brought his Everton back room staff and it ended up being a mid table/ top 6 club staff managing the biggest team in the world. Moyes was never good enough, but my point is Fergie was working miracles with what he had due to the lack of investment from the Glazers. How long have you been watching Utd for?
As somebody who is Portuguese, he deserves more talk than Ronaldo
Edit:Okay, I seemed to have steamed some in the comments, I would just like to say that this comment may have be pushed with it claims.BUT, lets just look at what the Special has down,
One the Champions League, with PORTO
Brought Europe to Roma
Brough Europe to Man U
Won the champions League with an old-age home.
Ended Arnse Wenger Premier League era
He is just badass, the media needs to share some of Ronaldo talk with this MAN
I still think that Ronaldo is great and posses more Prowess in his art then him, but this comment was merely made to showcase respect to Jose.
I don’t know what to say about this comment…
@@historicalized-edits9080 so why did you comment
Special one afterall
Stop the cap
Ronaldo is Portuguese history I am a fan of Mourinho but Ronaldo is greater
and now we all see that Mourinho was right about many things ,including Pogba
I always said Mourinho should have arrived at Manchester United after Ferguson retired. I knew it was going to end poorly at Manchester United due to player power and the Glazers not giving a shit about Manchester United. Mourinho won silverware and finished 2nd with one of the worst squad ever made and had the board and fans properly backed him then no question we would be challenging for the Premier League title by now. Too bad, we sided with the cancerous players and lived in fantasy of Ole being the man to win the Premier League title. My respect for Mourinho has gone up since then and he's the only manager post Ferguson I never called for the sack despite knowing the inevitable.
Completely agree that he should've replaced Ferguson. I don't think it would've prevented United's decline long term, but it would've slowed it down. The squad was better suited to him in 2013 & the league was weak, he'd of finished top 4 at least for a few years (until Pep took over City). Going from 1st to 7th created a panic chain reaction you never recovered from.
His drawing power was also the best way to capitalize on your appeal to players in the market that was only ever going to diminish after Ferguson, and Woodward hadn't been burnt yet (would've given Mourinho a lot more freedom to shape the squad). You'd have got the likes of Kroos, Fabregas, Di Maria would've been better, Matic when he could still move, Sneijder probably, etc... the squad his successor inherited by around 2016 would've been MUCH better, had at least a few players in it that any manager would like to build around.
As a Man United Fan, I don't like other fans saying mourinho wasn't a good manager at united. He was the best manager, better than Ten Hag or any other manager post fergie era. He wasn't given what he wanted but people only backed ole and ten hag for this and mourinho became the villain due to the fans considering pogba as a revelation for the club
Mourinho was actually good at Manchester United!
Was our most successful period after Fergie!
He could/should of won the Prem. But the squad was lacking and it just wasn't ment to be.
Still thankful for his time at United!
From mourinho to Ronaldo, man united really don't deserve anything good
agreed, Imagine if Mourinho was still the manager when they signed Ronaldo.. 🤯🥶
If the Special One couldn't save Man United, what hope does Erik Ten Hag have?
ten hag will get sacked within 2 years and every single manager after that. they will always be in shambles as long as the board doesnt keep things in check. the issue isnt the manager nor the players its the board/glazers. look what they have done to every player around them. looj what they did to ronaldo. it hurts but sadly united wont recover until glazers are out. can ten hag do a master class? its more possible that wrexham can win the ucl and luxemborg to win the wc than ten hag doing that.
None
Alot more chance as he's not really old! Jose was way to old to start at a club
Ten hag will get sacked a year max
@@dondamon4669lol Fergie was old too. 😅 Old Hag is just a fraud who wants money.
He would loved perisic, perisic plays all roles from left winger to left back. A fighter that is quite tall, very fast, good with header and shoots with right and left foot
Became a United fan in 2014, lived through all of this. Been nothing but pain lol
You must be a solid fan then because stuff is been hard since then
Don't worry mate been a United fan since 1974 been through it all , it will get better
Since Rooney left zlatan has been the only real leader we have had on the pinch, zlatan brought us a different type of energy and all the players looked up to him. Bruno is a great player but he is not the type of player you need leading a team on the pitch
He also had a really good season-51 goals in 50 games.That’s the type of Striker united needs now
@@Bandz2509 That stat seems false.
@@sitalsitoula6536 literally 85% of all his goals are penalties
I love your way of making video,please don't stop,this is amazingly well done internet journalism.
Mourinho's siege mentality approach works very well for self motivation. Operating from the assumption that the world is against you takes you to another level performance wise.
Losing Ibrahimovic was a massive blow to that team
Ryan Giggs was only brought in to see out the season - he didn't resign, he just fulfilled his contract.
Thanks, we needed this
Love these videos
The GOAT football TH-camr is back at it again ❤ Portugal🇵🇹 has great people
Very timely video that suits and serves as a lesson to Manchester United and fans to understand history!
Brilliant. As always.
Bro literally I was thinking about this topic today thank you for making my day
Me as a portugese i only can say that I live this guy no matter what, even tho im a Benficista and he won the CL with Porto I cant deny it i love everything what he does, sometimes i think tho what would he do with our Portugal squad, ofc we only newly got Martinez and so far he does a great job but sometimes i would love to see Mourinho on the Portugal side line for a WC or a EC. I would love to hear ur opinion on that, maybe a video where u would philosophy about how Mourinho could change our squad/the mentality/if he even could win a teophy with Portugal etc. I hope one day u would do a video like that
Definitely one of the goats . A top 3 manager of all time for sure
I think that's very debatable but he's definitely worthy of consideration
@bg22757 for me definitely a top 3 . All he touches turns to gold
Bro he is top 1. He win titles with bad teams and bad players.
I'm a Liverpool fan and I love Mourinho. Him and Klopp are my favorite managers.
Bro! Thanks for the vids they are great!
What Manchester United has become in just a decade is nothing short of embarrassing. I am a United fan and without the Qataris in charge, we simply will not dominate again..
Twerk for that Saudi money girl
Ratcliffe will deliver
lol he is himself a chelsea season pass holder@@thedrinkinggamemaker9749
@@thedrinkinggamemaker9749 but you still won't be able to compete city without money
Hey Daily Dose of Football,
Loved this video can you please make more videos on different managers too
Like Arsene Wenger's Invincibles
SAF's United
Bob Paisley, Klopp, Guardiola and Ancelotti
Jorge Mendez (Mourinho's agent at that
time) said that Mourinho never have authority or enough impact on Man utd transfers especially speakimg about pogba he said that he never asked for pogba the man utd board signed him and Mourinho asked for matuidi or sami khedira the pogba mega signing affected utd market for years later cause his wage was huge and at that time pogba was the most expensive player in history
Eeeeesh
I love this guy's delivery. It reminds me of that excited whisper guys had to use at the back of the class while discussing last night's football match so the teacher upfront wouldn't hear them.
The lack of self-control of Mourinho is his biggest rival, the second is always the board the teams he manage.
He has self respect that's his biggest strength and does not make him a two faced devil
he has self respect and pogba was just toxic. him and a few other players tried to take him down, then instant karma came for man utd (worst season, and being another team with a synonym of failure and embarassment)
Hey man keep up the good work! i was wondering, can you make a video about Fc porto SAD problem?
As a United fan this brings back memories 😫😫
Great recap with some great points..only critique is giggs didn't resign, he wanted the job but was only on a four game contract, united signed Dalot under mourinho also
Zlatan was a class signing on Mourinho’s end. Always looking for a class youngster 😂
This guy is a true tactician. I wonder how good he is at chess.
Probably not that good. Most of chess in the 2000s is memory
I truly and will always believe if the board had given the special one 100% control Man U would had been in their glory years again if they gave him charge like ETH he would had won us silverware
as united fan, he was the best manager since fergie
Mourinho is like no other manager. More than tactics, he understands people. Pogba turned out to be exactly what Mourinho said he was. Look at him now. Mourinho is an easy target for the media because of the way he speaks, but he speaks only facts. Its just like he said: "if i speak, i am in big trouble".
by far one of the best hires in existence
Never a manchester united fan However really respect mourinho because he respects the game and also trophies whether it is the most prestigious (champions league) or the so called not so prestigious (europa conference league) And you already know some will still try and paint him as a toxic manager
Good video. Player power is killing the club.
Cristiano and Jose were right all along and both are thriving whilst United who are one of the biggest clubs in England arent playing or acting like it they play like Luton a Luton side whom the struggled to get a win against and lost all but one of their Champions League games and are run like Everton, need i say anymore i rest my case things will only get worse over the years.
I still remember everyone criticised Mourinho for outing Pogba, including the fans. Look where pogba is now
Tbh you can't blame Mourinho, he did absolutely best with what he had. City were just a class above all.
Mourinho was right and Pogba went on to be a massive flop. Oh the irony.
This might be the most the most disrespectful title for a video. I love it 😂
Mourinho "THE BOSS" of Football!!!
Ok. Don't Talk about age when we talk about Zlatan. He have shown it time and time again how he can bounce back.
After Mourinho, he is the best
now I need a series about mourinho's life, and I want you to write the plot. the dialogs can be written by someone else, but the plot and commentary, you must write them
It truly was a shame the board and the glazers refused to back him in any way shape or form....
You should do a video on Enzo Francescoli. Zinadine Zidane said he is "like a god," and he named one of his sons after him.
81 points with manunited highest points achieved , since SAF era. Mourinho is great manager
One of the Greatest Manager ever. I love him so much
The best
How good would it have been to see Jose lift that 17/18 title ❤
I am a Chelsea fan but would love if that was the case...city were just unstoppable that season
@@truckingwithfauz7089100 freaking points is still crazy to me
I LOVED your video, but please find a better way to end it cause I was deadass stuck waiting for a final though. 😅😅😂😂😭
Players with more power then managers? Ridiculous
Turns out,he was right about Pogba. And the team(Man U) only went downhill from there..
Mourinho mentality,its like Ronaldo's .
Always to Win,never give up.
Mourinho is the most Successfull Coach for the last 23 years.
The Champions league with Inter was a Masterpiece.
The Best.
With 4 times CL champion striker Eto playing LB at times for Jose.
Benitez asked Eto to play same role for him but was told to
'fuxk off NO'
Can you make a video about the Polish national team? The results of this team and the players playing there are an abstraction.
Mourinho should own his own football team. I'm sure he's the kind of manager who's able to make some random discount local b-team rise through the leagues if he doesn't have to deal with a board.
they messed up big time with this one. its funny how nowadays people say "no player is bigger than the club" with the whole issue with Ten Hag and Sancho (even with Ronaldo last year) but when it was Mourinho no one was backing him up. If they gave him time and he wasnt too much of a fiery person maybe United would be contesting city for the titles now.
they should have kept him for 20 years and trusted him
Mourinho is many things. He is stubborn and egoistic and definitely is no soft spoken. But he's got a genius football brain. He's got that farsightedness and his assumptions rarely goes wrong
A top manager like him should have never tolerated the board locking horns with or openly ignoring him, paying a fortune for Pogba, Bailly and Lindelof (assuming it's true he didn't want them).
Managers do not have that much power anymore.
Klopp wanted Draxler.
To me the issue is something else : When Karius and Klavan flopped Klopp was allowed to get rid.
The same with Nolito, Danilo and Claudio Bravo at Man City.
Man United refuses to move on flops.
Look at how Phil Jones stayed until the end of his contract
Can you do Adrian Mutu , he was considered the next hagi until he got chought by Mourinho with some "powders"
There is so many incidents throughout Jose's life thus far for Netflix to do a film/series!
It would be a winner!
Q. who would play the lead role?
Script writers should start putting it together.
No one really talks about this but one of the best examples of how much LVG, Moyes and the Glazers ruined the squad is their mistreatment of Chicharito. There's an interview out there of Mourinho talking about how they have no striker with any type of end product and literally calling for Chicharito who wasn't at the club anymore.
Utd backed pogba over mourinho and secretly regretting it now
0:30 that's a classic brought to you by Mourinho hahaahahaha
The distance between United getting back to glory and where they are is the board. It's the board that has kept this club in the mad because of their mismanagement. Unless a new board is put in place, it will be hard for this club to get back. Because even during ETH's reign, the same board hasn't given him enough support but they expect him to compete with the likes of City, Arsenal and other big clubs in England.
I see a Mourinho video. I click
Pogba tasted karma after that, so much potencial wasted by himself
Mou was right. He was so so right about this club 😢
I like bad boy like Mourinho. EPL need people like him again.
04:42 Mourinho didn't buy Pogba , Ed did . He didn't want he at all .
Do a video about Thiago Alcantara
Again 😪
Plz do a video of victor osiehem ❤❤
We chose Pogba and other rebel players over Mourinho and we are still paying the price
I feel like Man United's board also tried to sabotage him because they realized they didnt liked him at all, his mentality was way too strong for them so they did everything they could to sack him early.
And some of Mourinho's words ended up being correct, such as Pogba being a Virus now that he is gone from football due to him being proven of doping after several seasons being gone for injuries and scandals.
This was the worst move of his career in my opinion. Almost like United broke him. Since then he's been more of an angry moaner than a serial winner
It deff feels like he’s lost his love of the game
Because he saw how modern football is run now
Honestly his next job should be to coach the Portuguese national team. Do something different and make the country proud
Sounds like a movie.
Exactly. The thing with Pogba is he thought he was a special player when playing at Italy. But he only just a good one ☝️.
It’s weird for me when owners would often side to their superstar player instead of the manager when it comes to sacking….mou was right. Pogba was a virus in united and im shocked why they let him stay there so long.
I’m happy for jose when he went to roma. At least he has to deal with less drama and divas in the locker room. I hope he’ll find great success there like what he accomplished in inter.
The title is too funny 😭😂
4:09 he also wanted Stones. He tried to get him while at Chelsea to.
I think hes been our best manager since SAF
FACTS