My 2020 350 Dually has up fitter wires (didn’t know initially) inside below the glove box behind the kick panel. If you haven’t highly encourage you check.
Wire gauge is too thin. I plan on running 12 and 14 gauge wires into the cab as a bundle. I found a couple routing options. With a factory wires, I'd have to add additional relays, which really don't make sense considering all the upfitters have relayed connections. 25-40amp
JD thanks for clarifying the factory upfitter wiring at the fuse box. Have a 24 Lariat and need to install my trailer camera monitor. Still don’t understand why ford uses such small wires for the pass through harness
I'm installing some Firestone airbags on my 2023 f-350. The installation manual calls for direct connection of the compressor to the battery. Which is fine as I don't have a problem with that. Should I go ahead and use one of those lifter switches instead? Is it worth the hassle to go through that? And I think I will always want to have power to it since I do want to always have the compressor putting in at least 5 lb of PSI. Your thoughts?
I'm genuinely curious since you've been flooding your page with videos about your new truck. How many views /videos does it take to pay off that new truck? I'm not familiar with TH-cam's payout
Thanks for the video. It answered several questions I had about the upfitter wires and switches. But what you didn't show, or explain, was where you routed the wire from your newly installed 12 outlet to your backup camera monitor. Did you remove more interior trim to hide the wire going up to the rear view mirror monitor ? And, a little off topic, was that monitor for a trailer rear view camera ? If so, when you aren't using the camera do you just remove the monitor from your rear view mirror ? What brand camera and monitor are you using ?
I understand the desire to try and route that wire in a clean way in the engine compartment, but all I could think about was what happens the first time the truck needs any work that involves removing the fenders, grill, radiator, etc. The service techs will cut that wire in about two seconds flat and if you're lucky they'll "kinda" put it back together when they are done.
I think you might have that backwards.. from what I've researched, most marine grade wire might be tinned on the outside but is solid copper on the inside. Having copper clad wiring in a marine environment is a recipe for disaster.
JD I enjoy your videos and what you doing to your truck. I also enjoyed you talk about safety when it comes to safe towing with right vehicle. I can tell you that you are part of safety team at your job.
That was painful to watch. You realize that you can buy an adapter that fits into your review mirror wiring that puts out 5v and 12v for these rearview mirrors, radar detectors etc? No unnecessary tie ins to your upfitters no need to run extra outlets.
I totally understand that I can run an additional relay using the small gauge pass through wires. The entire point of having outfitter switches is to use the included relays that are already wired and ran. It's just passing those wires through the cab of the vehicle that becomes an issue.
So not clear how you got the power to the rear view mirror. Does the wire you ran from the upfitter wire under the hood power the multi plug 12V/USB and the mirror plugs into it?
Love the install. Wish GM would get off their duff and finish the upfitter package for the AT4 and Denali 2024 trucks. They have it for the non AT4/Denali trims. Also slightly disappointed (wasn't a deal breaker) that an $88K HD truck doesn't come with upfitters from the factory.
I have 2020 F450 SD and I paid shop to extend wires from box through firewall into the passenger kick panel. Do you plan to run a 12ga wire for all 6 switches? Also, starting to hook up dash cam, TST700 and backup camera. Are you saying I should wire everything for 12v cig lighter instead of direct with wire fuse?
I’ve done much the same running a wire through that driver’s side grommet (on a few trucks). But in this case using the existing pass-through wires would have been much easier (and still allowed for enough power/current). Those ground wires are suppose to go through the Hall Effect current sensor for the BMS to know what current the devices in those accessories draw. A ground connection to the chassis would have been a better choice.
Take the trim piece off the side of the console, should give you more access to hide the wire. On the Pass through wires. If you connect a heavy gauge wire to it and another heavy gage on the interior, would the voltage drop for such a short run be that bad?
You should look into bulkhead and interior grommets. It might be worth adding an interior grommet in the drivers right knee area into that voided area.
Aux 1-4 should be rated at 25A, 5&6 are rated at 40A. Even though 1-4 are “switched” 12V there are aftermarket adapters that can make them “constant” if you wish. Just an FYI. 👍🏽
I agree. I just put in an order for a 2024 F450 high output Platinum and will upgrade to the DCR fuel pump when the truck comes in. We're going to go full time RVing so if the Bosch pump let's go I can't afford to have the truck down for weeks while the dealership repairs the entire fuel system under warranty. I'd rather pay the price of getting a more reliable pump than worry that the Bosch one will go bye bye and take my fuel system with it.
@@stevenjefferys10 Smart. Very Smart! I had an RV with the reliable Ford 7.3l PowerStroke E450. At 14,000 lbs still 14mpg. I should have never sold it!
@stevenjefferys10 the Bosch pump is top notch, just not designed for US diesel fuel. Also, in case u didn't know, the DCR pump WILL void your engine warranty. The disaster prevention kit will not. The cp4 is fine as long as you change fuel filters often and use additives.
Hey JD. Watching you look for the right wire reminds me of the scene from the movie Down Periscope. Thank you for the great video.
It makes you wonder why Ford gives you the up fitter option then makes it all most impossible for average person to use them 😡
So they can advertise the feature and make it like more "truck"
My 2020 350 Dually has up fitter wires (didn’t know initially) inside below the glove box behind the kick panel. If you haven’t highly encourage you check.
Why didn't you use the factory Pass-thru wires that are in the factory harness inside the cab?
Wire gauge is too thin. I plan on running 12 and 14 gauge wires into the cab as a bundle. I found a couple routing options. With a factory wires, I'd have to add additional relays, which really don't make sense considering all the upfitters have relayed connections. 25-40amp
@@BigTruckBigRV what was the Amp draw of that mirror? A 14ga wire can handle 15amp.
I use the pre-existing hole under the passenger seat.
I saw that! Great job. I may have to rethink my routing after watching your video brother.
@@BigTruckBigRV there's something cool I will show u. I know u will like...
@@DS-TRUCKSplease do!
Nice and clean. Next time you are in Rhode Island, you can look at mine. 😂
At what point do you risk voiding warranties? Always one of my main concerns. It seems like dealerships will use any excuse to get money from owners.
JD thanks for clarifying the factory upfitter wiring at the fuse box. Have a 24 Lariat and need to install my trailer camera monitor. Still don’t understand why ford uses such small wires for the pass through harness
I'm installing some Firestone airbags on my 2023 f-350. The installation manual calls for direct connection of the compressor to the battery. Which is fine as I don't have a problem with that. Should I go ahead and use one of those lifter switches instead? Is it worth the hassle to go through that? And I think I will always want to have power to it since I do want to always have the compressor putting in at least 5 lb of PSI. Your thoughts?
There are prewired circuits under the glove box, passenger kick panel area…
might have saved some time ;)
I'm genuinely curious since you've been flooding your page with videos about your new truck. How many views /videos does it take to pay off that new truck? I'm not familiar with TH-cam's payout
Thanks for the video. It answered several questions I had about the upfitter wires and switches. But what you didn't show, or explain, was where you routed the wire from your newly installed 12 outlet to your backup camera monitor. Did you remove more interior trim to hide the wire going up to the rear view mirror monitor ? And, a little off topic, was that monitor for a trailer rear view camera ? If so, when you aren't using the camera do you just remove the monitor from your rear view mirror ? What brand camera and monitor are you using ?
They do give a color code to identify the wires.
I understand the desire to try and route that wire in a clean way in the engine compartment, but all I could think about was what happens the first time the truck needs any work that involves removing the fenders, grill, radiator, etc. The service techs will cut that wire in about two seconds flat and if you're lucky they'll "kinda" put it back together when they are done.
Excellent video. Thanks very much.
Marine grade is typically tinned aluminum.
I think you might have that backwards.. from what I've researched, most marine grade wire might be tinned on the outside but is solid copper on the inside. Having copper clad wiring in a marine environment is a recipe for disaster.
That's is intact not true at all knukonceptz has tinned ofc wire rated for marine use
JD I enjoy your videos and what you doing to your truck. I also enjoyed you talk about safety when it comes to safe towing with right vehicle. I can tell you that you are part of safety team at your job.
That was painful to watch. You realize that you can buy an adapter that fits into your review mirror wiring that puts out 5v and 12v for these rearview mirrors, radar detectors etc? No unnecessary tie ins to your upfitters no need to run extra outlets.
Do you have a link handy, that you can post, to purchase the adapters?
There is the option of using the light gauge wires. You need them to control a relay to operate or provide power to accessory.
I totally understand that I can run an additional relay using the small gauge pass through wires. The entire point of having outfitter switches is to use the included relays that are already wired and ran. It's just passing those wires through the cab of the vehicle that becomes an issue.
If you look in that upfitter fuse box, pull out one of those fuses there is a switch which allows switch 5 and 6 to be hot all the time! FYI
So not clear how you got the power to the rear view mirror. Does the wire you ran from the upfitter wire under the hood power the multi plug 12V/USB and the mirror plugs into it?
I'm using it as an additional 12 volt outlet for the plug that's already attached to the mirror power wire.
Can you use the pass thru wires to pull your own heavier gauge wires through ?
I don't want to risk that, for all I know those wires are connected to a plug behind the dash
Love the install. Wish GM would get off their duff and finish the upfitter package for the AT4 and Denali 2024 trucks. They have it for the non AT4/Denali trims. Also slightly disappointed (wasn't a deal breaker) that an $88K HD truck doesn't come with upfitters from the factory.
I have 2020 F450 SD and I paid shop to extend wires from box through firewall into the passenger kick panel. Do you plan to run a 12ga wire for all 6 switches? Also, starting to hook up dash cam, TST700 and backup camera. Are you saying I should wire everything for 12v cig lighter instead of direct with wire fuse?
I’ve done much the same running a wire through that driver’s side grommet (on a few trucks). But in this case using the existing pass-through wires would have been much easier (and still allowed for enough power/current). Those ground wires are suppose to go through the Hall Effect current sensor for the BMS to know what current the devices in those accessories draw. A ground connection to the chassis would have been a better choice.
Take the trim piece off the side of the console, should give you more access to hide the wire.
On the Pass through wires. If you connect a heavy gauge wire to it and another heavy gage on the interior, would the voltage drop for such a short run be that bad?
The white label told you what wires are powered by each switch. They're color coded.
You should look into bulkhead and interior grommets. It might be worth adding an interior grommet in the drivers right knee area into that voided area.
Max current on my 23 is 20a not 40
Aux 1-4 should be rated at 25A, 5&6 are rated at 40A. Even though 1-4 are “switched” 12V there are aftermarket adapters that can make them “constant” if you wish. Just an FYI. 👍🏽
Yep limitless autoworks makes one. Great little mod.
Next, please upgrade the BOSCH fuel pump and all filter systems.
I agree. I just put in an order for a 2024 F450 high output Platinum and will upgrade to the DCR fuel pump when the truck comes in. We're going to go full time RVing so if the Bosch pump let's go I can't afford to have the truck down for weeks while the dealership repairs the entire fuel system under warranty. I'd rather pay the price of getting a more reliable pump than worry that the Bosch one will go bye bye and take my fuel system with it.
@@stevenjefferys10 Smart. Very Smart!
I had an RV with the reliable Ford 7.3l PowerStroke E450. At 14,000 lbs still 14mpg. I should have never sold it!
@stevenjefferys10 the Bosch pump is top notch, just not designed for US diesel fuel. Also, in case u didn't know, the DCR pump WILL void your engine warranty. The disaster prevention kit will not.
The cp4 is fine as long as you change fuel filters often and use additives.
@@AmJaxineerthe DCR pump will not void your warranty. That have to prove that the DCR pump caused the problem.
@@djweaver30125 Why they still using that pump when they known for years it a problem?
Better you than me. Wiring to me is a nightmare !!!!
Very satisfying install!
What is a PTO wire?
Power Take Off. It's The ability for the engine to provide power to auxiliary components.
owners manual has a chart with wire color codes for upfitter switches
The Ford owner's manuals are notorious for having mistakes. Always trust the wiring diagram that comes on the bundle over the manual.