Is Absolute Batman ACTUALLY Batman?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video, we dig into Scott Snyder's Absolute Batman and question what truly defines the Dark Knight.
0:42 Writers are always changing up our favorite characters
0:47 Sometimes we like it
1:20 Sometimes we hate it
1:29 Absolute Batman is not canon, a retcon, a reboot, or part of the main continuity
1:56 What is the essence of Bruce Wayne and Batman?
2:21 Batman’s essential attributes
2:35 Batman vs. The Punisher
3:45 Where Absolute Batman misses the mark
4:06 Is Batman still Batman if he’s broke?
4:39 Is Batman still Batman if he’s not an orphan?
5:38 Is Batman still Batman if he’s an “agent of chaos”?
6:14 “One big lie”
7:11 Why change Batman’s orphan status?
7:55 The good news
8:22 What Scott Snyder should have done
8:46 Don’t give up hope!
10:00 Where do you draw the line? When does Batman stop being Batman?
By reimagining Bruce Wayne without his billionaire status and altering his family background, does Absolute Batman preserve the essence of the character we all know and love?
We'll explore the core attributes that make Bruce Wayne Batman, the significance of his tragic past, and discuss whether these fundamental changes transform him into someone entirely different.
Join the conversation as we analyze where Absolute Batman might miss the mark and ponder the question: When does Batman stop being Batman?
They already sort of did the whole "not a billionaire" story with Joker War.
Granted he didn't grow up working class, but you get to see the fun elements with him having to do things on a budget.
The reason him not being a billionaire makes for good story is because it makes him more of an underdog. In the context of DC at large, he's still an underdog even with his money. He's a normal human going up against things that can bench press planets, they money just lets him slightly level the playing field.
I the context of just a self contained Batman story, the money can be a bit much. It becomes a very powerful tool that he can use to leverage pretty much anything to suit him. He's always got a solution for any problem because he can brute force it with money.
The best elements of Batman imo are his strategising, detective work and his obsessiveness. Which is why the absolute best live action version we've had was Reeves. it's the only film version that put the detective element above the punching bad guys element.
A good version of Batman will accentuate all these elements above just the standard fighting, because they're equal parts virtue and fault. His obsessive need to have a contingency for every eventuality was core to one of the best Batman stories in Tower of Babel, but counter to that, it's a character trait a lot of his friends and teammates rely on in other stories. Exploring the downsides of the elements that make him remarkable are some of the best stories for characters like this.
Well said! I think losing his money is interesting, but never having it in the first place is even better from a storytelling standpoint (in my opinion). And I’m with you on The Batman. It really gets to the core of the character.
I mean you can say the same about Spiderman and uncle Ben's death. And Ultimate spiderman is working well for all I know
@@Silas_Kow I think it’s a little different because getting bitten by a respective spider is what leads Peter Parker to become Spider-Man. Uncle Ben just influences the kind of hero he becomes. And he can do that whether he lives or dies. Maybe even better if he lives and Peter becomes Spider-Man later in life when he’s not an immature teenager.
Batman vision from tim Burton, is Batman.
"The Batman" from Robert Pattinson movie is! Batman! Those, they kept the original raise from character.
Out of THIS. There's not batman.
@@desantotony77 yea, those are in my top three or four. This one might not even make the list if it’s not actually Batman
Don't forget the NOLAN Batman!
@@matthewschwartz6607 1000% sure!
I agree with this a lot. Especially about how Batman doesn't need to be rich at all, going forward after the Pattinson Batman movies that really explore the economic complexity of Batman. After that has concluded I think going forward making Batman someone who is not rich would be very interesting. Like imagine that Alfred adopts him after his parents are killed because he was like the Wayne's neighbour in crime alley or something, that's more of the approach I'd have preferred over this, but it will be interesting to see Batman with a mother alive.
@@AsgersWeb yea, see that Alfred angle would have been a really interesting and perfect way to do it!
I’ve been thinking it basically doesn’t sound like Batman ever since they announced what absolute Batman would be. If somebody word to describe the character to me without telling me his name I would’ve never thought that’s Batman 🤣
@@JoshuaR9763 exactly! And I’m not one of those people who just automatically assumes every new thing is going to ruin a character, but it seems like they went a little overboard here. Might be a good story, just not a Batman story (other than the name)
Yes
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Tbh I haven't read Absolute Batman, but if Bruce in the Absolute Universe is just a poor kid growing up and the Wayne's are just some destitute family struggling to get by with Batman no longer being an orphan with him struggling on the streets to support his family with Batman's first traumatizing memory being his poor family getting beat up by cops and his mother OD'ing AND rides motogp motorcycle AND IS AN ENGINEER, THAT AIN'T BATMAN THAT'S JASON TODD.
Supposedly his traumatic memory is a shooting at the zoo… 🤷 and his mom works for mayor (instead of commissioner) Gordon.
It does seem like all these things they want to explore could have been better explored with a new superhero but people are just lazy and/or want the built in popularity of the Batman IP (even if they change him to the point where the whole Batman thing about him is the bat ears on the cowl)
I'm actually looking forward to this one (And Absolute Superman, too.). I think that Snyder should have left Batman after Endgame (Where he killed off both Batman and The Joker.), and that his writing lost its luster after that. But it sounds like he's reinvigorated now and he seems really excited with this project. Hopefully he's as good as he was when he first started writing Batman. I can see where you're coming from. I think that this is going to be interesting, though. Fingers crossed.
I’m definitely giving it a chance and I hope my optimism is rewarded!
The parents are probably gonna die later
Everyone does eventually 🪦💀
I agree with you, Batman can still be Batman without being rich. An excellent example of this is in an episode of Justice League where the team accidentally create an alternate reality. They soon Discover that Bruce/Batman still exists. However, he’s not rich and is blind. He was still able to become Batman. All be it with different difficulties and more of them. his core character was still there, so it was still Batman. An important note to make is that he still became a child orphan.
@@dewshbag16 yea, I think he’s lost it a few different times. I really like the idea of him not having it to lose in the first place. But having him not be an orphan? that seems like a weird choice.
@@WhatsUpWOLF agreed.
Wait what. I'm pretty sure they said he's still an orphan
@@AsgersWeb nope, his mom works for Jim Gordon who’s the mayor instead of the police commissioner and his dad is a teacher
@@WhatsUpWOLF interesting. She probably is going to die then 😭
@@AsgersWeb 😂😂😂
You are so right, I agree with everything said 💯
@@frankfilippelli you gonna read it?
@@WhatsUpWOLF I guess I’ll just watch a recap of it on TH-cam. I don’t believe I’ll buy it.
@@frankfilippelli I got you, I’ll let you know how terrible it is (or isn’t, I hope)
@@WhatsUpWOLF I’m looking forward to your honest review of the story. I just subscribed to the channel 👍 keep up the good work
@@frankfilippelli thank you!
"I'll interpret the hell out of that thing, I'll make it mean what I wanted to mean!" My Fuckin G! 🤘🏾 Keep up the great work my brother 🫡🫡🫡
Haha thanks man 💪💪