When they redid they made the Cloud City look a little more open because in the original version, it looked like an underground tunnel as if they were back on Hoth.
I think the Special Edition of Empire is actually not that bad. I feel it's changes are justified, such as having Ian McDiarmid as the Emperor, and CGI-ing some of Cloud City to make it look.cooler, especially changing some of the backgrounds in Cloud City to look much more Star Warsy.
Originally there was no shuttle at all. The tri-winged shuttle didn't show up in the movies until Return of the Jedi. It was better originally, since the SE chopped up William's incredible music (the chase scene in the Falcon).
Hamish Gilmore If I remember correctly, with the recent Blu-ray Release of the Special Editions they removed his scream when falling down the reactor shaft.
@@merlinthegray This is a false equivalence, he said that you shouldn't go back and recolour black-and-white movies in respect to the original creators, if the original creators asked for it then it would be fine.
I do really like the addition of the windows to help Cloud City feel less enclosed. In fact, I think they could have added more. That said, I do think the colour correction on the Despecialised Edition is the best of the 4, though the Blu Ray edition isn't bad either.
Really don't mind the Special Edition changes in Empire. They're comparatively restrained and beneficial. There's nothing horrible, like the Greedo-shooting alteration in Ep.4 or the Jabba's palace band / "Noooo!" alterations in Ep.6., so ... thumbs up. Mind you, if I had my way, you'd be able to customize the viewing experience to your liking with an advanced form of "seamless branching" - tick the changes you like, cross the changes you don't, and store my preferences for this film. Maybe on some future format, eh? :)
This is EXACTLY what I was thinking That way purists can have it their way and others who like the updated visuals but hate stuff like Greedo shooting and Jabba's palace etc. can have it their way
@@Zartemis343 Yeah Ultimately the problem is that many of the small subtle changes were good, overall. It's just George couldn't help himself but to inject zany characters, painful scenes, plot changes, and I'd prefer just the original theatricals in HD over any other official version... but the good edits without the embarrassing stuff would be ideal.
Got lost in it again. Leia's heartbroken look as Boba Fett takes off with her lover. This is Star Wars. Emotion and characters climbing an arc and setting up for the next chapter. Also like how the 2011 version has opened balconies and such. Makes it feel like a big city. A few extra shots are nice too, as long as you're not tampering with the story and the tone. Such as Luke screaming when he chooses to jump and die rather than join Vader. That kind of thing is awful.
@@darth_crumbo I guess instead of music I should have said lack of music. Yes, the roar of the engines is what makes it so emotional for me. Sort of reality kicking in. The newer edition loops the same music over again and ruins the emotion for me. I should have been more clear.
I love the addition of cloud city Windows it makes it more alive to me and one of the few changes that were needed and harmy did a great job reconstructing it
@@pferreira1983 Or as Chuiquito de la Calzada said at the time "Lo eta disiendo mar. Put Captain Solo in the cargo hold, pecator. No puedorg no puedorg." Ahahahahaha!
0:04 One Jeremy Bulloch captured... 1:06 ...while the other prepares to escape in Slave I with Han Solo frozen in carbonite. (Jeremy Bulloch plays Boba Fett and also that Imperial officer at the start of the video)
After quickly scrolling through the comments, I feel like I am the only one who likes Harmy’s restored version the best. Now dont get me wrong- The first Star Wars movie I’ve ever watched was A New Hope special edition in theatres. But there is something magical about the original prints that made me a lifelong Star Wars Fan
Nah, I'd still go for for Harmy's, too. I do like the warmth in TN1's, though. People are loving the 'new windows' on the 2011 SE, but to me they look quite hokey. Plus the grade is the least appealing. Harmy all the way, baby!
That's only the case for Empire. People are far less forgiving for Star Wars and Jedi (especially the former), but Empire's changes are rather benign and can often be seen as improvements. I still prefer the original (Harmy's in this case, 4K77/83 for the other two films) simply because they're the originals, but I don't necessarily see other people's preference for the Special Edition in this case to be unjustified.
One of the special edition edits nobody else seems to point out. At 0:27 Chewbacca's growl starts sooner so you can't hear the end of Leia's line, in both 1997 and 2004. Pretty stupid to remix audio to drown out a line of dialog. Anyways, you can hear Leia fine in whatever audio source this is as well as the 1993 audio mix found on the 2006 bonus dvd.
Another one nobody mentions that infuriates me: at 1:52 they change the timing of the music as Slave 1 takes off. Leia's heartbroken stare would always make me tear up. The silence was golden, with just the ship sounds and the laser blasts.
When I was a kid I was kind of wowed by the changes that were made to Cloud City, but now I realize that these changes really change the whole tone and the feel of the place in a way that might not benefit the story. In the story, Cloud City functions as a false refuge that is really a tempting trap. The old designs where you rarely see the outsides makes it feel more like a trap. It was still way more polished and nice looking than most Original Trilogy Star Wars locations. It made you feel finally safe. But once you learn the truth, not seeing the outside can make you feel more trapped.
Honestly if it weren’t for the changes in dialogue in the emperor scene and as Vader leaves bespin “bring my shuttle” sounds so much cooler. And the unnecessary shot taken from ROTJ at the end, empire’s special edition would actually be my preferred version.
I like the grindhouse colors better anytime they are indoors. The cleanup that has went into Harmy's edition is flawless. As most commenters have said, the added windows in the special edition cut are a welcome addition.
I like the added shot of the people outside Cloud City listening to Lando's broadcast. It makes it seem less like an actor just talking into a fake metal handle
The Empire Strikes Back is the only movie not to be completely done wrong with the Special Edition changes. I think it adds to how much bigger Bespin is supposed to be. It feels smaller without the changes.
schnubbel76 yeah, alongside removing the changes made from ‘81 and ‘97 onwards, he also fixed the colour timing to match how the films would have looked in theatres. Notice in the Blu-Ray version the awful magenta tone (particularly with laser blasts and explosions) is present, he restored the colour timing to get rid of that.
yheah because otherwise the wole saga could have ended at episode 4. what am i saying, if droid could aim, palp would have been kill in the phantom menace and the star wars would have never existed
@@countryboyblue21 2:54 the guy running down the hallway is holding an electric ice cream maker that you use to make homemade ice cream with. Apparently they just wanted him to be holding something that looked like luggage and picked that. lol
One thing I dont understadnnd is around 1:11 when they're loading up solo in the slave 1. The orange hew imo actually looks goods since cloud city had an orange sunset around that time, and the cleaner look in the bluray edition doesn't seem right
1:45 One thing about the special edition I actually dislike is they keep the music running there. I think it's a lot more impactful when it suddenly stops. Like "nope they didn't save Han".
i prefer the special edition for it's windows and how it made cloud city feel like it wasn't just another coridor on the tantive that we didn't see. The grindhouse editoin is my next prefered because it has a crisper image and personally i prefer that. the other two are on par with one another in my opinion.. and yes i'm watching this nearly four years later but you can never predict the algorithm
So I was watching this clip on a TH-cam video and when the Slave 1 blasts off (at the 1:50 mark in this video). The music was different than what I remembered. I thought, "Is this a fanedit, or what is this?" I sought out another special edition clip(from the blu-ray I think) and I realized it was so. I absolutely love in the original version, as Han is being flown away, Leia is just staring, knowing everything they worked for was for nothing, Han was gone. That silence was golden. That was a scene I always got misty-eyed over. Not in this version. I've definitely watched the special edition version, but not in the last couple years so I didn't remember that. Does anyone know when it was changed?
I’m sure there’s a way to write the line that doesn’t make it seem like he’s directly comparing his city to Alderaan, but that Leia implicitly empathizes due to that similarity.
I was disappointed with it more than I thought I would be, after seeing the making of the Ep4 video. Here, it sticks too close to the Blu-ray special edition in most places, which is unnecessarily green. In others, it's weirdly over-saturated. I actually like the GOUT the best.
I don't mind ANY of the special editions. Not horribly animated Jabba, not the Solo/Greedo shootout, not the full blown musical number in ROTJ, or even the Hayden clip art work at the very end of the trilogy. BUT.... What I do mind, and I really can't stress this enough, is the fact that the Special Editions aren't placed ALONGSIDE the originals, but rather we're meant to accept them as being INSTEAD OF the originals. That I DO mind!
Should be warmer, more desaturated. Maybe turn down the contrast and un-crush the blacks. Then again, with Poita's new scans, Harmy probably has a better color reference by now.
I kind of like the claustrophobic feeling of the city in the original cut of the film. As a kid, that's what I thought the inside of a cloud looked like.
Literally everyone: *windows* Still gotta laugh at the ice-cream machine guy everytime. Man, if i make a movie im gonna have some guy haul a round dolce gusto around for laughs. Harmy's is so good!
ESB is the only Special Edition I like. None of the changes ruin or disrespect the original and they make the movie even more Star Warsy and organic. They are true enhancements. Episode 4 and 6's changes, however, are not good.
Its wild how in different scenes different versions look better or worse. At 1:10 the blu ray one is the only one that looks the least bit realistic like they're actually there loading him onto a ship.
TN1 clearly added a film damage filter to make it look more like a grindhouse picture. It's supposed to be random, but it looks like a piece of dirt kept generating in the same place.
TN1's version is a fan produced scan of a 35mm print. A "film damage filter" was not "clearly added". It ain't gonna be perfect like an expensive pro scan would be but it's better than the nothing Lucasfilm have so far released.
The quality is so good in the Blu ray. Look at when Leia rushes out to Bobas ship. You can make out her fair skin, her blush and lipstick. You can't see any of that in the DVD. 1:53
1:55 Theory: R2’s ptsd gets triggered after seeing Slave I, bringing back memories of when he was nearly destroyed by it after escaping the Venator wreckage during the clone wars. And also when Hondo saved him and Ahsoka’s group of padawans from Grievous, just before R2 not seeing Slave I again until 24 years later.
Blue Ray's are the best version, from boba sounding like a clone, to the city looking and feeling like a city, to landos message going out to an entire city and being able to see the reaction to the empires presence. Fleshed out the world and made the whole movie better for it. People hate to hate
Or they just genuinely prefer the original version like me. Boba Fett’s original voice is way better, new Emperor still looks goofy and way different from the ROTJ version, and the cgi is incredibly distracting from the rest of the film, especially the Cloud City sequences. Too bad there’s no official release of the pre special editions anymore so everyone can have their version.
For the most part I like the Special Edition beter for ESB except for one change. I HATE the dialog change between Vader and Palpatine. Like not even dislike, I straight up hate the change. So much so I hunted down Harmy's edition just for that alone
I don't know what everyone else is smoking. The windows and open pathways added by the Special Edition detract from scene's claustrophobic atmosphere. It feels significantly less tense with their addition. Lando's announcement being broadcast over the city is a fine touch though. Not entirely necessary, but it helps Bespin as a whole feel much bigger.
This movie is so good I would be happy watching any of these versions. And since there seems to be some debate in the comments, I just checked my rip of the 2004 dvd and the windows are there. They were not additions to the blu-ray. To my knowledge, the 97' special editions, and the 2004 dvd release are identical (save for the resolution)
I actually think it's oddly over-saturated in places and sticks too close to the Blu-ray white balance on others, when that one was often too green. For this most part, I preferred the GOUT.
tbh Empire's special edition is actually extremely well done and I think the sort of changes it made should've been what the other two were like, just improving the matte paintings, subtly improving vfx and colour correcting
The only change in Empire Strikes Back that seems to have upset anyone was changing the Boba Fett voice. I'm fine if they want to make multiple versions, but please just include the original version too in maximum quality. Thankfully we have countless versions now.
I like how it actually looks like a city in the special edition instead of just another ship with all the indoor shots.
The original Cloud City always made me feel claustrophobic, it feels like spending a sunday on a boring hospital.
Bless windows and airspace
That makes it feel like the trap it was right after they landed. The windows removes that feeling.
the addition of windows was one of the few changes i really liked. cloud city felt really small and bland in the original.
i wouldnt say bland or small but lacking in atmosphere of showing the clouds.
while i like the idea it kind of lacks in excecution, it doesn't feel quite right.
Maybe limited budget.
@@ginogatash4030 how so i tought its good rotoscoping job
@@blopp6240 yeah but not a 100% Real, it sort of feels Phantom-menace-ish
The extra windows in the Blu-Ray version are a nice addition
Those are from 1997.
P Ferreira incorrect
to my collection.
@@pferreira1983 2011*
@@ChickenMcBerger I was under the impression Cloud City interiors were expanded in 1997?
How many others have noticed C-3P0's head hitting the light on the door at 3:56 and it going out?
*... thoughtless*
When they redid they made the Cloud City look a little more open because in the original version, it looked like an underground tunnel as if they were back on Hoth.
Which is on purpose but I also really like the additions in this case.
I think the Special Edition of Empire is actually not that bad. I feel it's changes are justified, such as having Ian McDiarmid as the Emperor, and CGI-ing some of Cloud City to make it look.cooler, especially changing some of the backgrounds in Cloud City to look much more Star Warsy.
I mostly agree with this, with the exception (very strong exception) of the Wampa. Additional Wampa scenes ruin the anticipation IMO.
i agree apart from the removal of "bring my shuttle" totally ruined a great scene that conveyed Vader's frustration at Luke's escape.
But bring my shuttle also makes no sense whatsoever because the next shot after that line, which is literally seconds later, the shuttle is there
Originally there was no shuttle at all. The tri-winged shuttle didn't show up in the movies until Return of the Jedi. It was better originally, since the SE chopped up William's incredible music (the chase scene in the Falcon).
I loved them adding McDiarmid, though I wish they'd left the dialogue alone. The new lines created a plot hole.
Empire strikes back had the best special edition
thats because there wasnt any much to do in a movie where it felt way ahead of its time.
The only problem was when Luke Skywalker screamed down the reactor shaft, but apart from that it was amazing.
Hamish Gilmore If I remember correctly, with the recent Blu-ray Release of the Special Editions they removed his scream when falling down the reactor shaft.
@@DaveDynamite1 not surprised people hatted it
@@hamgil They removed that in the later releases
the blu ray was amazing with the windows, added cloud city crowd shots and music when the slave 1 flies off
That was part of the 1997 special edition
@@theajayyy oh ya forget. i meant the special edition of ESB makes the movie more better
@@merlinthegray updating stuff is totally great. It is just that all the different versions should be released.
@@merlinthegray This is a false equivalence, he said that you shouldn't go back and recolour black-and-white movies in respect to the original creators, if the original creators asked for it then it would be fine.
@@VinVonVoom What lol
C3PO can bring the comedy to any situation.
I always found him annoying kinda like jar jar binks
Oscar : Well Leia did turn him off in ESB when he was going out of control.
@@faisalmemon285 Hes been annoying from the beginning.
I’m quite beside myself.
I do really like the addition of the windows to help Cloud City feel less enclosed. In fact, I think they could have added more. That said, I do think the colour correction on the Despecialised Edition is the best of the 4, though the Blu Ray edition isn't bad either.
Really don't mind the Special Edition changes in Empire. They're comparatively restrained and beneficial. There's nothing horrible, like the Greedo-shooting alteration in Ep.4 or the Jabba's palace band / "Noooo!" alterations in Ep.6., so ... thumbs up.
Mind you, if I had my way, you'd be able to customize the viewing experience to your liking with an advanced form of "seamless branching" - tick the changes you like, cross the changes you don't, and store my preferences for this film. Maybe on some future format, eh? :)
This is EXACTLY what I was thinking
That way purists can have it their way and others who like the updated visuals but hate stuff like Greedo shooting and Jabba's palace etc. can have it their way
Haha that would be crazy mate
MaClunkey
@@Zartemis343 Yeah Ultimately the problem is that many of the small subtle changes were good, overall. It's just George couldn't help himself but to inject zany characters, painful scenes, plot changes, and I'd prefer just the original theatricals in HD over any other official version... but the good edits without the embarrassing stuff would be ideal.
Embarrasing is exactly the right word: Han v Greedo and CGI Jabba in Ep 4 and Jedi Rocks in Ep 6 are painful to watch
Got lost in it again. Leia's heartbroken look as Boba Fett takes off with her lover. This is Star Wars. Emotion and characters climbing an arc and setting up for the next chapter.
Also like how the 2011 version has opened balconies and such. Makes it feel like a big city. A few extra shots are nice too, as long as you're not tampering with the story and the tone. Such as Luke screaming when he chooses to jump and die rather than join Vader. That kind of thing is awful.
You can't tell here, because it uses original audio only, but I noticed that they ruined the music when Leia gives her heartbroken look.
@@wonderfulwookiee6443 what music? That’s the sound of Slave 1’s engines
@@darth_crumbo I guess instead of music I should have said lack of music. Yes, the roar of the engines is what makes it so emotional for me. Sort of reality kicking in. The newer edition loops the same music over again and ruins the emotion for me. I should have been more clear.
Anyone else really like this music?
Be a more meaningful question to ask who doesn't :P
It's Star Wars music. Who doesn't like it?
Nah, the music is some of the worst parts of the whole Star Wars series...
Everyone likes it. What a silly question.
@@LayneBenofsky I was about to start ranting, but I didn't expect a sarcasm thing all the way over on the end of the column!
0:14 "Keep it quiet." What are you smoking, Lando? That headgear guy never says a thing anyway.
He's a deaf mute, lol.
It's Lando's personal Android
@@nickm5419 Landroid
Unless you count his Side Job as a DJ.
And then Leia starts shouting.
I love the addition of cloud city Windows it makes it more alive to me and one of the few changes that were needed and harmy did a great job reconstructing it
"Put Captain Solo in the cargo hold."
Or as Jeremy Bulloch said at the time "Put Captain Cargo in the solo hold." Ahahahahaha!
@@pferreira1983 Or as Chuiquito de la Calzada said at the time "Lo eta disiendo mar. Put Captain Solo in the cargo hold, pecator. No puedorg no puedorg." Ahahahahaha!
@@emilio2537 No idea who that is.
@@pferreira1983 The best humorist in the world
@@emilio2537 Okay I was talking about Jeremy Bulloch, not some random comedian.
Dont know why this is in my recommended, but I wont argue, favorite Star Wars movie of all time
Londo - "Everyone leave the city before more emperial troops arrive!.."
Everyone - "WTF, dude, we kinda LIVE here?"
Yeah, so, a hostile army is invading your town and you're just gonna stay there because you pay rent ?
The 2011 Special edition sorta has the edge on the others with the windows and Lando’s announcement being shown across the city.
That was part of the 1997 special edition
0:04 One Jeremy Bulloch captured...
1:06 ...while the other prepares to escape in Slave I with Han Solo frozen in carbonite.
(Jeremy Bulloch plays Boba Fett and also that Imperial officer at the start of the video)
What a load of Bullochs.
@@Acrocanthosaurus Ikr, and there's another one in Revenge of the Sith as one of the Tantive IV pilots.
A Bulloch?
@@Acrocanthosaurus Yep
TN1's r2 has a lovely rugged tone and chewey feels more realistic having red mahogany hair when lit from behind. Thanks for the comparison.
After quickly scrolling through the comments, I feel like I am the only one who likes Harmy’s restored version the best.
Now dont get me wrong- The first Star Wars movie I’ve ever watched was A New Hope special edition in theatres. But there is something magical about the original prints that made me a lifelong Star Wars Fan
Nah, I'd still go for for Harmy's, too. I do like the warmth in TN1's, though. People are loving the 'new windows' on the 2011 SE, but to me they look quite hokey. Plus the grade is the least appealing. Harmy all the way, baby!
That's only the case for Empire. People are far less forgiving for Star Wars and Jedi (especially the former), but Empire's changes are rather benign and can often be seen as improvements. I still prefer the original (Harmy's in this case, 4K77/83 for the other two films) simply because they're the originals, but I don't necessarily see other people's preference for the Special Edition in this case to be unjustified.
@@danielc7773 Gay.
I love how the storm troopers just completely gave up when they got trapped. They didnt even flinch
They're not being PAID to flinch!
0:04 the sound effect here sounds like General Grevious pulling out his lightsabers
People harp on a lot of the changes in the special editions and what came after but personally love everything they did with expanding Cloud City.
One of the special edition edits nobody else seems to point out. At 0:27 Chewbacca's growl starts sooner so you can't hear the end of Leia's line, in both 1997 and 2004. Pretty stupid to remix audio to drown out a line of dialog.
Anyways, you can hear Leia fine in whatever audio source this is as well as the 1993 audio mix found on the 2006 bonus dvd.
It makes Chewie's attack more jarring and comedic
Another one nobody mentions that infuriates me: at 1:52 they change the timing of the music as Slave 1 takes off. Leia's heartbroken stare would always make me tear up. The silence was golden, with just the ship sounds and the laser blasts.
the color grading for the grind house version is GORGEOUS, but the 2011 blue ray has way better clarity
The ice cream man is strong
Showta Ito no more!
I love the brown tinge of the original
TN1 is my favourite, all the good effects without some of the more extreme and sometimes regrettable changes.
The way C-3P0 says wonderful always made me giggle
When I was a kid I was kind of wowed by the changes that were made to Cloud City, but now I realize that these changes really change the whole tone and the feel of the place in a way that might not benefit the story. In the story, Cloud City functions as a false refuge that is really a tempting trap. The old designs where you rarely see the outsides makes it feel more like a trap. It was still way more polished and nice looking than most Original Trilogy Star Wars locations. It made you feel finally safe. But once you learn the truth, not seeing the outside can make you feel more trapped.
Honestly if it weren’t for the changes in dialogue in the emperor scene and as Vader leaves bespin “bring my shuttle” sounds so much cooler. And the unnecessary shot taken from ROTJ at the end, empire’s special edition would actually be my preferred version.
And the alteration of Boba Fett's voice.
I like the grindhouse colors better anytime they are indoors. The cleanup that has went into Harmy's edition is flawless. As most commenters have said, the added windows in the special edition cut are a welcome addition.
I like the added shot of the people outside Cloud City listening to Lando's broadcast. It makes it seem less like an actor just talking into a fake metal handle
Harmy has done such amazing work.
In like TN1 edition, that cream filter looks best especially gives that warned used look to it, especially when R2 was hauling C3PO into the Falcon.
Never noticed the alternate take of Lando at 2:33. Subtle changes no one would notice until comparing shots like this.
The Empire Strikes Back is the only movie not to be completely done wrong with the Special Edition changes. I think it adds to how much bigger Bespin is supposed to be. It feels smaller without the changes.
The Empire Strikes Back...What a film...
Harmys Despecialized Edition is the best looking version
How so?
@@georgeofhamilton Sharpness and color balancing i guess
schnubbel76 yeah, alongside removing the changes made from ‘81 and ‘97 onwards, he also fixed the colour timing to match how the films would have looked in theatres. Notice in the Blu-Ray version the awful magenta tone (particularly with laser blasts and explosions) is present, he restored the colour timing to get rid of that.
I think R2-D2 is become the protagonist of this movie.
I love how Boba Fett just commands Imperials to put Han’s body inside the ship like he can’t do it bye himself😂
Yes! But he was on the lookout for Luke just in case because he just encountered him in the hallway
Stormtroopers can aim
They just can’t aim at main characters
Oh thanks guys I didn’t think I would get these amount of likes
they have plot armer
Yes they can but when they see Lucas filming they just lose ability to aim
they can aim but they have too much bloom
yheah because otherwise the wole saga could have ended at episode 4. what am i saying, if droid could aim, palp would have been kill in the phantom menace and the star wars would have never existed
@@mehdisol7094 Or you could cook up your own alternate Star Wars stories if that was the case.
This scene is too epic
Man i was just getting into that when it ended.
I think we can all agree the scenery in the special addition was amazing
I think there needs to be a dramatic close up of ice cream man and call it "Ice Cream Man Edition". Also, have him run by windows. LOTS of windows.
What is Ice Cream Man on here? Can some one please explain that?
@@countryboyblue21 2:54 the guy running down the hallway is holding an electric ice cream maker that you use to make homemade ice cream with. Apparently they just wanted him to be holding something that looked like luggage and picked that. lol
One thing I dont understadnnd is around 1:11 when they're loading up solo in the slave 1. The orange hew imo actually looks goods since cloud city had an orange sunset around that time, and the cleaner look in the bluray edition doesn't seem right
I had the 2011 special edition of all 3 of the og movies, I probably watched each like 20 times, not kidding, I love them so much
They ought to have called it 'Special Windows Edition'
Windows Millennium Edition 😂
1:45 One thing about the special edition I actually dislike is they keep the music running there. I think it's a lot more impactful when it suddenly stops. Like "nope they didn't save Han".
I disagree, I think it adds far more impact to when it cuts to Luke and Vader underneath when the music keeps playing until that moment.
@@VinVonVoom Solid point. It's a good place to cut the music too.
4:22 Isn't it weird how the light on the back of the millennium falcon is orange instead of blue?
i prefer the special edition for it's windows and how it made cloud city feel like it wasn't just another coridor on the tantive that we didn't see. The grindhouse editoin is my next prefered because it has a crisper image and personally i prefer that. the other two are on par with one another in my opinion.. and yes i'm watching this nearly four years later but you can never predict the algorithm
So I was watching this clip on a TH-cam video and when the Slave 1 blasts off (at the 1:50 mark in this video). The music was different than what I remembered. I thought, "Is this a fanedit, or what is this?" I sought out another special edition clip(from the blu-ray I think) and I realized it was so. I absolutely love in the original version, as Han is being flown away, Leia is just staring, knowing everything they worked for was for nothing, Han was gone. That silence was golden. That was a scene I always got misty-eyed over. Not in this version. I've definitely watched the special edition version, but not in the last couple years so I didn't remember that. Does anyone know when it was changed?
They've created an uncertainty field.
“I had no choice, I ain’t letting my whole planet blow up....princess.” - what he shoulda said
That would be way out of character. That is cruel as hell.
I’m sure there’s a way to write the line that doesn’t make it seem like he’s directly comparing his city to Alderaan, but that Leia implicitly empathizes due to that similarity.
The Despecialised Edition looks incredible.
The colour looks way off in some parts of that one and the windows in the special edition make the city seem less monotonous.
It is the best, as the original does not need to be "improved".
They are better off improving the new movies that suck right from the start.
@Submotion
It's nice to have a choice, when there is one.
I was disappointed with it more than I thought I would be, after seeing the making of the Ep4 video. Here, it sticks too close to the Blu-ray special edition in most places, which is unnecessarily green. In others, it's weirdly over-saturated. I actually like the GOUT the best.
I don't mind ANY of the special editions. Not horribly animated Jabba, not the Solo/Greedo shootout, not the full blown musical number in ROTJ, or even the Hayden clip art work at the very end of the trilogy. BUT....
What I do mind, and I really can't stress this enough, is the fact that the Special Editions aren't placed ALONGSIDE the originals, but rather we're meant to accept them as being INSTEAD OF the originals.
That I DO mind!
2:53 for the most important character in Star Wars
@Hermann Goering Willrow Hood. Look up "The Running of the Hoods"
harmys looked really good. i did notice people like to hip fire a lot in the star wars universe. makes sense most everyone seems to be a bad shot.
Should be warmer, more desaturated. Maybe turn down the contrast and un-crush the blacks.
Then again, with Poita's new scans, Harmy probably has a better color reference by now.
I legit don’t know why but I get chilly vibes from simply hearing Fett’s ship take off.
I kind of like the claustrophobic feeling of the city in the original cut of the film. As a kid, that's what I thought the inside of a cloud looked like.
+Philip Zamora 3:47 It was never really mean to feel claustrophobic.
Literally everyone: *windows*
Still gotta laugh at the ice-cream machine guy everytime. Man, if i make a movie im gonna have some guy haul a round dolce gusto around for laughs.
Harmy's is so good!
ESB is the only Special Edition I like. None of the changes ruin or disrespect the original and they make the movie even more Star Warsy and organic. They are true enhancements. Episode 4 and 6's changes, however, are not good.
I will agree, with the exception of Boba Fett’s voice change.
Yah, the original voice is better, although the Jango guy was great in The Mandalorian
Lando is looking into the walls as if they planned to open them up all along.
Its wild how in different scenes different versions look better or worse. At 1:10 the blu ray one is the only one that looks the least bit realistic like they're actually there loading him onto a ship.
God, I love this f**king movie...
Amazing that HARMY'S Edition still looks the BEST in terms of COLOR and detail. The 2011 isn't even close !
Rather odd, the flashing dot in the center of TN1's version...
TN1 clearly added a film damage filter to make it look more like a grindhouse picture. It's supposed to be random, but it looks like a piece of dirt kept generating in the same place.
Well that was a terribly grave mistake lol.
TN1's version is a fan produced scan of a 35mm print. A "film damage filter" was not "clearly added". It ain't gonna be perfect like an expensive pro scan would be but it's better than the nothing Lucasfilm have so far released.
the grindhouse version is so nice
The quality is so good in the Blu ray. Look at when Leia rushes out to Bobas ship. You can make out her fair skin, her blush and lipstick. You can't see any of that in the DVD.
1:53
The 2004 DVD OF Empire is the only one I kept. I sold the other 2004 DVDs for a buck a piece at a garage sale.
This is probably the best special edition change.
Extra windows are a good change. Cloud city could have been an underground bunker but the windows make it feel like it's in the sky
While I like the changes made I still think the originals should be obtainable still
1:55 Theory: R2’s ptsd gets triggered after seeing Slave I, bringing back memories of when he was nearly destroyed by it after escaping the Venator wreckage during the clone wars. And also when Hondo saved him and Ahsoka’s group of padawans from Grievous, just before R2 not seeing Slave I again until 24 years later.
That's so cute
I’m really liking the warmer colors of TN1’s version.
I prefer this one too.
I don´t like the off white look. And R2 looks colourless.
While so far, I've enjoyed the Despecialized Edition with the majority of comparisons. Although this scene, the 2011 BluRay is seriously impressive.
The Cloud City windows are seriously hands down the best change the Special Editions made.
@@pokepal148 It's probably the least annoying change ever made, aside from making lightsabers look better. It doesn't slow the pace or anything.
This is a change that actually looks quite good
Blue Ray's are the best version, from boba sounding like a clone, to the city looking and feeling like a city, to landos message going out to an entire city and being able to see the reaction to the empires presence. Fleshed out the world and made the whole movie better for it.
People hate to hate
Or they just genuinely prefer the original version like me. Boba Fett’s original voice is way better, new Emperor still looks goofy and way different from the ROTJ version, and the cgi is incredibly distracting from the rest of the film, especially the Cloud City sequences. Too bad there’s no official release of the pre special editions anymore so everyone can have their version.
For the most part I like the Special Edition beter for ESB except for one change. I HATE the dialog change between Vader and Palpatine. Like not even dislike, I straight up hate the change. So much so I hunted down Harmy's edition just for that alone
WOW! I've been comparing the Laserdisc Versions - but Dang !
Grindhouse Edition is the best. As close as you can get to what we actually saw back in 1980.
My thoughts exactly
3: 57 c3po have sensor that lett him fill pain?
4:00 LOL!
I MAY HAVE GONE TOO FAR IN FEW PLACES
EPISODE 46: BESPIN
2:54 The legendary Willrow Hood
Probably my favorite sequence in all of Star Wars
I don't know what everyone else is smoking. The windows and open pathways added by the Special Edition detract from scene's claustrophobic atmosphere. It feels significantly less tense with their addition.
Lando's announcement being broadcast over the city is a fine touch though. Not entirely necessary, but it helps Bespin as a whole feel much bigger.
This is actually one moment where the special edition wins me
Just made me want to watch it again, any version ;)
This movie is so good I would be happy watching any of these versions. And since there seems to be some debate in the comments, I just checked my rip of the 2004 dvd and the windows are there.
They were not additions to the blu-ray.
To my knowledge, the 97' special editions, and the 2004 dvd release are identical (save for the resolution)
In the 2004 dvd they changed Boba Fett's voice and changed the Emperor to Ian McDiarmid. Also the snow on Hoth looks way too blue imo.
I like the look in the grindhouse version but those added windows really works well
Still better than the last 3 movies.
Other than the Cutout job at 1:21 the exterior additions are a nice touch imo
Hot Take: The Special Edition of Empire is the definitive version of that film.
almost. i'm almost with you, and i agree, except for one tiny but critical thing. luke screams as he falls.
@@IIIDemon That was only in the DVD, and removed for the Blu-ray. Thank God
IIIDemon Yes, I think that’s only on the 2004 dvd but I could be wrong. I don’t remember it on the 2011 blu ray
they removed it again in later special editions.
@@magicalmusic416 no only on the 1997 VHS tapes
Harmy did a great job, so glad the theatrical editions live on
I actually think it's oddly over-saturated in places and sticks too close to the Blu-ray white balance on others, when that one was often too green. For this most part, I preferred the GOUT.
tbh Empire's special edition is actually extremely well done and I think the sort of changes it made should've been what the other two were like, just improving the matte paintings, subtly improving vfx and colour correcting
The only change in Empire Strikes Back that seems to have upset anyone was changing the Boba Fett voice. I'm fine if they want to make multiple versions, but please just include the original version too in maximum quality. Thankfully we have countless versions now.