Russell Brand & Ben Shapiro "Respectfully Disagreeing"
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- I spoke with #BenShapiro on my weekly podcast Under the Skin from Luminary. Ben is a very popular US conservative political commentator - he presents a daily current affairs show called The Ben Shapiro show on TH-cam. His new book "The Authoritarian Moment” will be released on July 27. In this video you can watch the first half of our conversation - if you'd like to listen to the rest (another hour) of this audio podcast you can over on Apple Podcasts here: apple.co/russell
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Love your work big Homie🇺🇸
Russell, you are an inspiration and a constant help to me and you habe been since about 10 years ago. I really struggle with trusting people, I've never met you, but I know beyond doubt you are a good person. I suffer with paranoia and its very difficult to trust. But I'm so glad you are here to listen to and you really.do help me xx
Excellent man. I am a Shapiro viewer and also find your show just as valuable. Like you said, I don't want to just talk with people I agree with and that is fantastic. You've come a long way and glad you learned how to battle your inner demons. Keep up the good show. You've earned it.
Good on you man. Total respect for daring to be different and having shapiro on. Takes balls these days to give a platform to people like him. I don't always agree with him but he's got some bloody good points.
Damn it's still premiering, 1031am pacific,.. you fucking nailed it Russell! Wow.
Utopia is the only unattainable goal society can do worth suffering for. Struggle will have it's due, know the paths to heaven and hell.
I am most flabbergasted by the fact that Russell Brand is taking notes. Imagine meeting someone you disagree with - an athiest, a Christian, a conservative, a liberal - and instead of slinging criticisms, you write down interesting/unknown unknowns that they say to further look into while listening thoughtfully. A bloody rarity in this day and age.
Yes and it's sad that it's a rarity. A wise person takes in knowledge from others rather than believing he knows it all. Proverbs 27:17 - "As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens his friend."
RB said he believes in god- So not quite atheist. But he sees where politics and cultures have been twisted into religion to cause suffering and control.
Beautiful ❤️
Wow very well said sir....honestly who wants to have the same views as everyone else....isn't watching the superbowl more fun when your with friends who root for the other team? I mean cmon.....the party of peace and tolerance has turned into a discriminating intolerant machine....its so hypocritical...they begged us to except them....we did....now they are trying to shove all their disgusting views down our throats...and if we dont eat it up and say....thank u sir may I have another? We are targeted....Christianity is the new punk rock
Russell has really shown the way forward for everyone.
Are u sure he’s not writing quick responses?
Usual interviewer: “I want to trap you and make your views look stupid”
Russell: “I want to understand you because it’s interesting and we can learn something”
yea but you dont get anywhere respectfully disagreeing.
@@kaleb51 I respectfully disagree 😜
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@@kaleb51Finding common ground with someone who has an opposing viewpoint and actually listening to them, as Russell and Ben did here with one another, is getting somewhere though.
@@orangewedges
I agree, it takes the competitive nature and tribal instict away.
One of my best friends is pretty left leaning while I consider myself right leaning. We both watch Russel and we argue and discuss various topics alot but there is always a underlying respect and love for each other.
Having someone you can respectfully talk to about differing beliefs has kept me from villainizing all left leaners. But he is like Russel so he has a good heart to begin with.
Is it the 90's again? People with differing opinions tolerating each other. Fascinating.
lol yeah if only Shapiro was being honest
😂😂 right!?
@Manuel Mena i'm also curious about what he was dishonest about because i don't usually watch him
@Manuel Mena I watch him all the time. In what was he dishonest??? Your silence is deafening!! I'm not hearing you!!
Gone silent now that people have called ya out 😂
I really appreciate how each of them stopped talking and listened, before responding. It's so rare these days to actually have a conversation that doesn't have interruptions by someone who wants to ride vocally over another's point. I appreciate the class both these men showed through this conversation.
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Honestly, it's not rare. It's rare that you see it on this scale with this many people watching, but in the real world when 2 people are having a good faith conversation, and I CANNOT stress "Good Faith" enough here, it's how things should be. And frankly, how things used to be before everything was all about scoring political points for the onlookers all the time. When you have 2 people who are chiefly interested in communicating effectively with each other, this is what happens.
Why would sin separate you from god & how does it empower demons?
Do all sins separate you from god equal 😅 like murder & stealing a cookies? What level of sin causes what level of separation?
How can you be separated from god at all as well, how does that work?
What are demons ?
If Jesus was without sin why in Bible does devil & demons come to him to battle him the same as sinners? 😅
Answer questions like these could lead me to believe
@@skepticalthesensible I am not religious, but I have some possible answers for you. Obviously as flawed mortal beings we can't assume that we could fully and accurately articulate these answers.
Sin separates you from god because it takes you off the path of good, by what amount is often differing depending on the severity, but there are certain sins that everyone can easily point to as evil and people moving away from that and towards what is most commonly referred to as good, is in theory moving towards some higher power, both for yourself and the people around you. This has touched on the empowering demons thing but it will make more sense to address that with the what are demons question. Hopefully the above kind of explains the 2nd/3rd questions.
Demons are those things in you that are dark and evil. Some people like to think they don't exist in them, but anyone who's lived long enough will tell you that's naive. Everyone loses control sometimes, everyone looks back on some of their more questionable actions and think "who was that?" or "What was I thinking?" Everyone has the capacity to spiral with their personal demons and experiences with evil that can take them away from what could've been a much better path. So when we say someone is "influenced/possessed by demons" it's usually not indicating invisible creatures, but simplifying the complex influences that drive a person to do evil into one entity.
I don't know the Bible well enough to understand the last question fully, but I'm sure it is some metaphor, perhaps Jesus was battling both the sinners, and their inner demons, perhaps the inner demons of all people including in himself. What made people think Jesus was divine in nature was that he never heeded his demons and instead had the ability to fight them, and spent his life trying to teach that ability to others.
I don't know what belief you hope to have, but I hope this helps give you an additional lens to look at religion through that may open your mind up to it.
Russell Brand is a better interviewer than most professional journalists.
Wonder if it has to do anything with his genuine curiosity and interest in his guests’ ideas?
Because he listens.
We need a Russell and Joe Show
i think allowing eachother time to fully unpack and present their points of view is critical - journos always seem so rushed, its almost impossible to get any depth or respect for the exchange of ideas
I believe most of this is Mr. Brand's actual interest in his interview.
If the presidential debates sounded like this, I would actually want to listen. Imagine if congress had respectful conversations where they listened to opposing options and looked for common ground.
That’s how it was intended to be, and certainly how it used to be. But I feel those days are long gone as the democrats literally leave the floor when republicans speak.
That would be how an honest society functions, not the USA.
Agreed. Presidential debates are so cringe that I can't stand to watch.
@@73ns what country does then?
@@lindaover9764 I'm Norwegian, it's pretty good, parties working together instead of against each other isn't that much to ask as a civilized country in 2021.
This is an absolute and total joy to watch a rational, intellectual and interesting conversation between two individuals that share some commonalities and also differences. It’s refreshing and fills my heart with joy.
Discussions will change the world.
Loved it. Thank you.
The feeling behind this interview was so light and respectful. Ahhh.
Hear hear! 👍
Shapiro is not an intellectual. Thats honestly laughable
@@gunslingerSlade I agree.
@@gunslingerSlade strange username though
@Defenestrate and? He constantly gets destroyed by actual intellectuals and he only does well with unprepared college leftist....look how he handled the BBC interview
Two human beings. Listening to each other. Asking honest questions. Giving honest answers. Enormous respect to both. Sad it is so rare.
This is the weirdest time line. People we are told are irrational, unreasonable, evil, etc., spend their time engaging in attempts to resolve issues through discussion, logic, philosophy, references to scholarship both recent and ancient, and similar, on "new" media. People we are told are good, kind, and honorable spend their time screeching on legacy network television.
@@DanEvens-tb1tg Perhaps it’s time to reassess who you look to for direction, maybe to place higher value on your own instincts and conclusions, to allow yourself the freedom to disagree with policies of groups with which you have traditionally been aligned.
It’s not easy and it certainly takes courage, in less than tolerant circles it can even leave you isolated, but it is likely to lead to a greater feeling of honesty, integrity, enrichment and meaning in your life. Feelings of being at peace with yourself. Just my thoughts.
Why would sin separate you from god & how does it empower demons?
Do all sins separate you from god equal 😅 like murder & stealing a cookies? What level of sin causes what level of separation?
How can you be separated from god at all as well, how does that work?
What are demons ?
If Jesus was without sin why in Bible does devil & demons come to him to battle him the same as sinners? 😅
Answer questions like these could lead me to believe
@@skepticalthesensible Those are great questions. Most of which I am not able to offer a definitive answer, but I can definitely give a try!
Q1: "Why would sin separate you from god?" in Isaiah 59, it discusses this exact point. Roman 2 as well. Both good reading that can help you understand better. But here is my take: sin has a consequence not only to you, but also to those around you. True Christianism is about love and loving is how you show to others that you are a true christian (a reflexion of god from you), by sinning, your reflection is not one that is Godly (as God has no sin)
Q2: "how does it (sin) empower demons?" There are different approaches for this answer, here is one: after you sin, you often think about the consequences and often feel bad. That may sometimes create a cycle of bad/destructive behavior, which will often weaken you and makes demon's actions more effectively.
Q3: "Do all sins separate you from god equal like murder & stealing a cookies? What level of sin causes what level of separation?" This is a hard one to understand, but some passages from the Bible seem to suggest that both of your examples create the same level of separation. Read James 2:10. The one exception seems to be the sins that lead to death (though my interpretation is that it is speaking of absence of god, that leads to death in the sense of no eternal life). Repenting and fixing the consequences of murder vs the cooking robbery are often what causes one to probably cause a big separation though.
Q4: "What are demons ?" entities working on behalf of the enemy. these entities can be manifested in different way, but are often associated with a change in behavior of one individual or in increasing temptation towards sin for all of us.
Q5: "If Jesus was without sin why in Bible does devil & demons come to him to battle him the same as sinners?" The enemy and demons are not tempting and attacking as a consequence of sin. Jesus was 100% God and 100% human (I know the math does not add up) and, just like all other humans, he was attacked. The separation of God makes you more likely to succumb to temptations because you need your own strength to do, and sometimes that is not enough. Although Jesus was tempted and attacked, he was able to sustain and be without sin because his human side, was very close to his Godly side.
I have a very limited knowledge, but I still felt inclined to answer you. I'd be glad to continue the discussion in this or other forum if you'd like.
Word. I can barely get through a conversation with family members these days. I miss the times before the internet, when we walked outside to see and speak to our friends.
You guys are making mainstream media obsolete. This is so refreshing and gives me hope for humanity. Thank you!!!
Let's PRAY that they make MSM obsolete!! Who WATCHES THAT CRAP???
If you leave off the part where all these independent commentators rely on news they get from the mainstream media, sure. All they do is comment, not report news.
@@johnc3525 the live streamers like Andy Ngo post current news/happenings most msm doesn't cover. Channels like Project Veritas do investigative journalism. Channels like Russell's discuss current events. They all have a part to play.
@@timeforchange3786 Project Veritas is fake news. Like I said, Russel merely comments on news he obtained from the "mainstream media". Never heard of Andy Ngo. So Andy Ngo has reporters placed around the country and the globe? He has connections at the WH, wall street etc to report news?
@@johnc3525 Andy does have several streamers who work for him but you are missing the point. I said live streamers like him. Usually, streamers go where things are taking place. For example, right now there are streamers in Canada covering the truckers. Showing what msm will not show.
New title : Russell and Ben DESTROY being confrontational with respect and manners.
Ha. Nice. I'm getting so sick of everyone on TH-cam being DESTROYED and HUMILIATED and EVISCERATED...
@@jeffreytucker905 I know right?! This SHOCKED me…after this interview I was left SPEECHLESS!
New title.. Conversation goes nowhere and Mr Shapiro has learned what people say when he call people unfounded names.
Shapiro’s belief system and modus operandi are functionally disrespectful and demeaning to his own species. He is a charismatic and conniving bigot.
@@MegatronYES How? The only one throwing personal insults around is you in your comment?
I love how Russell does not pretend to know what Thomistic or Maimonides means, and asks Shapiro to explain. But also you can see he immediately starts to take note. This is a man of culture.
I agree 👍and I never much cared for Mr Brand as an actor. Listening to him now has been extremely helpful for me to understand some of the complex issues.
Russell is also highly diplomatic around the centrist comment by Ben at the top of the interview when he reveals that BBC is not a news source for him. Wow. That was revealing in a sad way.
@@morningglorify I can’t really see why you’d think it’s revealing in a sad way that Ben, an American, doesn’t listen to the BBC, the *British* broadcasting corporation. It’s a UK national broadcasting corporation, why would Ben listen to it for news specific to America and American politics? It’s good for getting the gist of other peoples opinions, but the stories they’re covering are almost certainly things Ben has already heard of/read up on, so I’m not sure why he would rely on a different countries national broadcasting corporation 🤷🏼♂️
Yes. I love people like that. I have become more so this way the older I get. You just of become okay with and aware of how much you don’t know. 😂
For sure,this is a great meeting,also a very good business strategy to meet.
Positive conversation...positive comment section...this needs to be mainstream. The tone, respect, and intellect here needs to be emulated by our media outlets. This is huge, this needs to spread.
It isn't possible if ppl only focus and categorize based on skin color
Amen
@@riobrasilsambashowssambist1453 what has that got to do with this comment?
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@@riobrasilsambashowssambist1453
Or any of the other pigeon-holes.
I love how Russell takes notes...he's always learning and evolving, even if he's not entirely in agreement, he has an open mind to everything. So much respect for this guy.
Yes. Very impressive guy.
Yes very impressive
@МrBеаst Ехtrа go away scammer. Get a job
I can’t believe he hosted a guy who’s a joke in his podcast.
@@YallaMiami what do you mean?? I found the interview very interesting
When Brand asked Shapiro for clarification and then took physical notes, my whole perception of Brand changed. I respect the hell out of this kind of honesty and humility.
I think that both men suffer from a media that endlessly parades small parts of their thoughts and utterances, seemingly in pursuit of forwarding one political aim or another. I think these two should make this a regular happening. We could all gain something from it.
It is a great tool for people with ADHD!
Oh I watched him fiddling around with his pain I don't think he was writing anything down he was struggling to keep up with what Ben Shapiro was saying
@@deathmetalrob5563 I believe he was taking notes of the philosophers Ben mentioned at that moment.
Perhaps to give their philosophies a read to better educate himself in something he realizes he lacks knowledge on.
Later he might just be crossing out points he wanted to bring up in their discussion.
The way they are completely silent and clearly listening to each other so they can both make their points and counterpoints at times is wonderfully refreshing.
I'm a conservative but over the last couple of months I've become a big fan of Russell Brand. I don't care how much I agree with him, he's intellectually honest, thoughtful, and considerate. I imagine the civil debates that Brand can engage in were what the founding fathers had in mind.
Good for you Mike. The most balanced people I’ve known explore the other side.
I’ve moved more center as a result of dialogues like this.
I enjoyed the conversation too, and I imagine a lot of the forefathers spoke this way. I'm also aware, though, that some of the forefathers used to beat the crud out of each other with canes too. (This is not to say I dislike the forefathers).
@@a.lynnferguson6089 the cane beating happened a couple of generations after the forefathers. The founders were more into dueling.
@@PsychoMike21000 ahh my mistake! Good to know
@@josephfinds Smart guy. Usually a sign of intelligence to not be so extreme imo. Intelligent people understand different perspectives and remain open minded.
Ben Shapiro admitting he was outclassed in an interview, Russell Brand asking pertinent and interesting questions, and both listening intently is absolutely amazing, and this should be used as a model for interviews and discussions!!
And as you watch the interview, when Ben is talking Russell is taking notes. When you talk about Russell asking pertinent questions it comes down to his process where he notes things down so he can refer to the notes when formulating questions. It's a highly professional and respectful way of interviewing because it means that he's paying attention.
This discussion was a very pleasant surprise.
Why would sin separate you from god & how does it empower demons?
Do all sins separate you from god equal 😅 like murder & stealing a cookies? What level of sin causes what level of separation?
How can you be separated from god at all as well, how does that work?
What are demons ?
If Jesus was without sin why in Bible does devil & demons come to him to battle him the same as sinners? 😅
Answer questions like these could lead me to believe
@@skepticalthesensible not religious but from my perspective, I've learned that Sin is just temptation.
The freedom of choice was given so that you can be tempted, tried, and walk thru the fire or succumb to it.
The 7 Sins work thru people, your best friend could be possessed by a sin and they may tempt you to follow them.
Jesus was special because no matter what temptations were given, he stayed true to himself.
I don't think you should follow anyone else's particular beliefs.
You should create your own beliefs and let the experience of life edit and revise your beliefs.
Don't let a mortal person or an invisible diety define you.
Just a perspective, not advice
Romans 8 says that nothing separates us from God. That includes sin. The saying of sin separating is from God is a buss statement that was null in void after the death of Jesus who covered all sin for those who believe on him. These are totally questions that Christian’s who have believed for years still ask. I think they are great questions.
Russell sir... As a conservative man, I can't explain how much I respect you for your approach to conversation. THIS is what is missing in our world right now. Real, and respectful debate. Thank you sir, and I appreciate you.
And as someone who is not particularly conservative, I completely agree. Everyone fights where there are conversations to be had and knowledge to be gained. Too much intolerance in the world.
real debate? tell that to shapiro
@@lewis0705 debate: a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward.
What am I missing? Or does Ben's intense nature come off attacking to you? That's how Ben is. He talks fast and speaks directly. Usually people are yelling at him and mad so this civil discourse was nice.
@@firemandadffd3217 you ended him with a simple definition lmfao!
I agree!
This right here. Even if we still end up disagreeing after a discussion, the moment you listen to my arguments, youve already earned my respect.
Few people are willing to do this often
Facts. I just want to hear and be heard with respect governing the whole conversation. This really is great to watch. I agree and disagree with both of them on different issues. They both make me use my critical thinking skills and I love listening to both their shows. Civil, respectful dialog is what will move us forward in the political realm.
Factss
When people get their "facts" from Twitter and TikTok, they're probably not going to listen to anything that doesn't line up 100% with their feelings.
Amen the ability to express our differences and then have open and honest debate and when the need or occasion arises a fair vote on how the majority views the issue and then make laws accordingly. It is government by the people and for the people. Special interest and lobbyist. Cause issues and force one opinion. Minority Idea over majority rule. It is creating our current climate.
I've gained deep respect for Russell Brand after this interview. He's subdued, respectful, intelligent, thoughtful, genuinely curious and likable.
but he sure didn't treat Candice Owens the same way.. this just proves that Russell is a liberal, sexist, misogynist, beta male.. he treated Candice with such disrespect but in Candice's defense, she kicked the crap out of Russell in their debate, it was the best bitch slapping I've ever seen in a debate..
He’s awesome
It's awesome to see. I'm never against any celebrity's expressing their opinions they just have to be open to discussion. Or have logic behind their opinions.
You waking up? 😊😁
What about respect for Ben Shapiro?
This is how a conversation should take place. Love the information , both views and respect. ❤
"Everyone will need a conscious plan around tech or risk having their consciousness blended with the dominant agenda". That's a great quote, Russell!
Smart phones are specifically created to addict people via platforms like social media by groups of people known as attention engineers, every time we log on, its like pulling the handle of a fruit machine looking for that win, the attention engineers call this a "dopamine feedback loop" the real evil is that the tech giants know the harm its causing society and they dont care, the biggest business is now your conscious attention, so they can sell ads harvest your data, shape political landscapes, also manipulate minds and views by pushing specific information and suppressing another,
Imo we are in a information revolution, and the fallout or acidity is now palpable for us all to recognize 🙏🏼
@@paulmuaddib3470nailed it.
meaningless technophobia and vague twaddle
@Jackson Lewis yup
@Jackson Lewis psst: idiocracy fronts eugenics. Nazis pushed eugenics. it was like they big thing. It's not that good a movie. the ouch my balls stuff is fun, but wake up, you aren't on the boss level yet.
“Russell Brand and Ben Shapiro respectfully disagree.”
Half of the world: “ is that a thing?”
The other half: that’s not real!
Two of my favorite people😉
People not on Twitter: nothing out of the ordinary here.
Far left cultist: It wasn’t reported on CNN, MSNBC or The Washington Post so it must be some stupid conspiracy theory
Russell is definitely not left. I'd call him more right of center. That's why they can have a reasonable conversation
Ben is at 1.25x speed while Russel is at 0.75x speed
Shapiro always sounding like he’s a auctioneer.
I wish I could slow Ben down
I find that very cute 😂
Russell usually speaks at 1.5x but I'm sure he consciously decided to slow down the conversation from his side as otherwise it would be a Formula 1 race.
@@olivarionline yes... oh my God. Such good race that would be.
This is what Russell is promoting! Two side debating and learning from each other and in the end both sides come out respecting each other and maybe changing their view of life. This is a master class of how a debate should be handled. Total respect to you both🙏🙏🙏
Thanks for viewing and contributing I'll share some beneficial knowledge let's converse right away with the above 📞
Or they’re just cowards
This is the only way we actually move forward. The thing is the two sides of the isle keep us looking at each other as the problems. Nobody wants to actually listen to the other side
I truly admire the way that Russell is able to treat people with respect.
@AmericanWorkers First Russel defended the dumpster fire which was CHAZ. Both have their flaws
Ben does not deserve respect
@AmericanWorkers First yeah as most people working in the media (even the subcultural one) gots to appease the extremely excepionalist tribe to have his cheques signed.
Get you, but I like to see it as normal
@AmericanWorkers First Ethnic cleansing? But that's literally, like, transferring. Omg.
Man, that was a dumb arguement.
What a well balanced model of the true fairness in conversation: seeking first to understand and second to be heard. Bravo to both of you.
It's where the mainstream media has gone wrong. They tell you what to think and agree with.
40:31 Russells mind had started to wander just for a moment though haha XD "Sexualisation" :)
Yes. I’m a fan of both. Conversation goes further than the yelling I hear on Shawn Hannity. And I’m conservative.
@@tomquagliata9381 their model is emotional investment. It's a demon's tactic. Divest in all of it.
BINGO ! No one agrees on everything. Thank God. How boring.
Russel Brand has really grown on me over the years. Found him very annoying at first and now I hold him in a high regard for his well spokenness and unique perspective.
It's his well spokeness really
Every single video has this same comment.
Facts
It's because he's sober
I agree
This was an absolutely fascinating listen. I have mad respect for Ben but after this I have also gained the same respect for Russell. Highly intellectual and loved how two grown men can sit and have a discussion without turning it into a bloodbath. This is what I do so desperately miss about today’s society.
What a breath of fresh air! Listening to 2 people who know their minds, are articulate, and respectful. No one talked over the top of the other, and they reflected on what was said. Well done, gentlemen!
Yes, well said with great points! Thank you for sharing
Impressed. Forgot what that looked like.
Both of them are serious about how to live a good life, and engage in actual intellectual work in that direction. This also makes this conversation interesting.
Well said.
Absolutely, this is how humans need to start talking to each other, now where's my magic wand, I'll just wave it a little. Nope didnt work, I guess it's up to you me and everyone else to realise talking not yelling is the only way we are gonna make this world a better place.
Respect to Russell for turning his life around, being very honest, engaging and funny. Very interesting topics.
Respect to Russell to living his life to the fullest and most of all love he shares with humanity ....if only they could hear
There is hearing and hearing the word ! And this is pribably his expertise everything leads to the yellow brick rd ! Always! Eventually ! Esp if you have strong "will"which im sure that is commendable! observing Russell expand and grow exponentionally is very motivating
@counterblow ofcourse, and it will happen. Never stop believing is what comes to mind. 👍🌝😃
Wait a minute. People can respectfully disagree with one another?
not and accomplish anything.
Media will hate that.
it's crazy, but the idea is a radical one in 2021
political parties should heed this delightful concept, on wait they are part of the problem that society / machine is in
just not if their name is Trump. Then you gotta ban them on all platforms because orange man bad and scary, and white people are teh evul
Ladies and gentlemen, this is how you have a conversation. We have become so disconnected to each other that we can't have conversations like this.
THIS is a conversation. All the other stuff I’m left to listen to is ultimately just junk reality TV entertainment.
There's a lot more out there than that hah
Junk reality……I like that.
If you think THIS is productive discourse, you should spend some time searching for more engaging thinkers.
@@jackallenproductions
I'm interested in your suggestion.
@@jackallenproductions first of all I do not think whether this is productive or not, I know. And your view is noted, but non of my business. If it agrees with mine, great, if it does not, fine to. After all we do not all think alike, be rather boring and monotonous if we did.
The fact that people love these guys because they are respectfully disagreeing with each other should be saddest thing about it.. it should be the normal way people talk to each other and not something special or novel..
Well intelligence is special and novel... megareetardism is all too common
It’s sad but very true!
@@Wildboy789789 come on, be civil now...
You’ll notice this if you ever argue politics in TH-cam comment threads. Everyone always tries to prove some malevolent intent in you even though you just have an opinion. Although, jokes on me for ever bothering engaging in politics in TH-cam comments lol.
My only advice for anyone fighting the culture war on the internet, no matter where you lie, be kind and assume good intent in those who disagree with you. Also understand that the intelligent people can always disagree and nobody’s stupid for not being just like me or anybody. If someone is unjust and malevolent they’ll expose themselves through dialogue eventually.
The AVERAGE person doesn’t agree with EVERYTHING other people believe. I don’t agree with Russell or Ben on everything, and I agree with both of them on other things. That’s just life.
Agreed.
I literally can’t imagine meeting someone with whom I agree on EVERYTHING. Do other people actually experience this..? The very concept seems terrifying.
@@taffysaur
but I can imagine NOT agreeing with someone on everything.
The media does an exceptional job at polarizing beliefs.
@@xh0rsex do you eat drink and sleep? You have something in common with everyone.
Can you imagine what a productive and accomplished society we would have if more people were able to have discussions like this? To me this is what progress looks like. Listening to this conversation has enlightened me and increased my vocabulary. I am glad I just subscribed to this channel and ended my night with this video. Such a great conversation.
Exactly. So many people want to disagree by hurling insults
From the UK, we learned about the amazing debates Abraham Lincoln had with Stephen Douglas, literally on a stage. I feel like this ^ is how they conducted those debates. Listening to one another, using patience and not agreeing on anything but giving each other the space to say their piece. So cool
Join the conversation. Just talk.
@@dominicgalloway4481 They literally are not SMART enough discern or think critically.
@@moniqueengleman873 Exactly. All they know how to do is escalate situations and throw temper tantrums. The ones who have any sense are brainwashed. It's like they're possessed.
I love how Russell asks a question, and then let's the person answer with no interruptions. And he takes notes to research later. He is actually having a conversation, realizing he may learn something from Ben. As well as asking Ben personally reflective questions.
A wonderful take, good sir.
I think the notes are to remember a question so he doesn't need to interrupt 🤔..but I could be wrong...✌🏼💚
@@urbanfarmerurbangenohunter477 that's exactly what they are for. And, when hears a concept, to research later.
It's what we use to call an interview.
Russell is great at having conversations as opposed to journalist who push a narrative and force the guest to follow suite.
This is a beautiful example of how to just talk to people even if you disagree. ❤️ Great work Russell and Ben.
I’m rapt. So civilised and of course these two do share important values and have the power of empathy…something truly lacking these days.
we live in fundamentally far right times and the far right controls all politival discourse. Its not some universal lack of civility, its literally just the state of rightwing discourse since Ferguson in 2014, when the right decided that BLM was literally satan, and launched a pro police culture war in opposition
@@naturesquad9174 BLM is a racist organisation. That’s it.
@@naturesquad9174 Wrong. Then how is Trump ban in many of this giant big Tech media like FB and Twitter. The majority of New media are negative towards Trump and his support. In a survey majority of university professor describe themselve as Democrats. If the right control the majority Trump would have win the election again.
Stop with the lies and stop trying to blame everything on the right when it's the Democrats that fail this country under Obama for 8 years of leadership
"Respectfully disagreeing" is an achievement already these days. Cheers.
@Zangief ☭ yesssss
🙏
What I love about Russel is he is an intellectual disguised as a messenger we can all understand and relate to.
@AmericanWorkers First truth
@AmericanWorkers First i was cheering the statement in general, as a good thing - *i did not even watch the video*, so i am sure you're points may be quite valid. Accuse me whatever you want, in regard to the content, my remark was "out of context". Me approving a general statement is still legit and no wrongdoing. ( i see your point of course)
Note to myself
Next time add disclaimer " this is a limited statement, as i hardly watched the video, it only applies to the afore mentioned statement"
p.s.
Actually i did watch like 3 minutes, but was bored. The way i use video is entirely my own, what i express myself about also.
I never knew before now that Russell Brand is an absolute GEM! Thank you for being a thoughtful, respectful human being who is willing to talk about hard issues in a respectful human way. We can disagree while still acknowledging each other’s humanity and while not assuming the worst in one another. Bravo!!
Amazing that two people with differing points of view can openly chat and have a discussion. It's so refreshing. Love Russell brand
He wasn`t always a gem . He and Johnathen Ross had a radio show and they called (on air) Andrew Sachs (from Faulty Towers) and took the piss about Andrew`s granddaughter who had a bad drug problem and had turned to prostitution . How heartless was that ! Nothing funny about that at all but went for cheap dirty humor . How hurt Andrew a the grandfather would have been . Now Russel seems a changed man and I do like him as he is today but that story always sticks in my mind .
Wow
Russell Brand has become one of my favourite persons. Funny and philosophical. Love you brother, make the world a better place.
Fully agree, amazing person helping people see the bigger picture
Ditto
Ditto
Gosh! Fantastic! I have never used fb, twitter etc thank goodness! And for the last 3 weeks, I have barley used my mobile phone nor looked on the internet and yes, it very liberating.
Much love, light and respect to you ❤
I really go back and fourth with Ben Shapiro and honestly, my first reaction before watching this was “why have this guy on”, but you know what, thank you, that was really enlightening. I really enjoyed that.
Thank you Russell, Thank you Ben, you both never fail to get me thinking.
Russell doesn’t know this but he makes everyone’s day better
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No it is SUAT who does that.
Most of the best teachers seem to be oblivious to their own teaching. They don’t want to be teachers, they simple are.
He does, actually
He definitely has gotten much better since he went sober.
If only our politicians were as professional, intelligent, passionate, and well versed.
I wish that too, Remington. I feel our current political system doesn't allow them to be, unfortunately. Which is why we are all watching youtube videos of thoughtful and respectful dialogue
We will never have people like this as our president. They are chosen by Illuminati and ivy league university years before a presidency every happens. Donald Trump appears to be the only one that manage to get the presidency without Illuminati approval...
That's the question I have: Why those human being dont become politicans? - buffles me every time instead we got those brainless corrupted puppets. This might some error in the matrix.
And Compassionate...
no shit huh?
I have new hope for this world after watching this. I wish everyone could speak with each other in this manner. Thank you both for proving that human beings CAN be respectful even when you don’t agree with each other!!
My thoughts exactly. I’m choked up even .💜
First time listening to Russell Brand interviewing someone. I like his style and the fact he respects his guests.
Agreed! He is one of the best interviewers in my opinion. I started listening to him after watching Rogan and Rogan drives me nuts with his interrupting its so dang rude!
Ikr - what a concept!
I found Russel because he interviewed Jordan Peterson. And I could tell that, at the beginning of the interview, he was prepared to deal with a truly awful person. And then, as he talked to Jordan, he came to the realization "He's a psychologist who wants to heal people." and his demeanor changed completely. The fact he was able to see that when everybody else just wanted to "gotcha" Jordan Peterson really struck me, and I've been interested in him ever since.
Isn't it refreshing to find a media company that has good ethics? Every other crap channel tells you what to think , OR ELSE!
Russle sounds like he’s speaking at .75x speed, and Ben sounds like he’s at 1.25x speed
“Mickey Mouse on laughing gas” is Michael Savage’s description lol
Its funny because if they were having a convo in person they would both be talking fast
They both talk fast… I still listen at 1.5x barley have the time for 50 min convos
@@Mattb81 Russel is stoned goofy
@@thenlnlkn hes talking about ben simpleton
Russell seeks to understand. No dogma, no posturing, no virtue-signaling and no "gotcha moments." A true discussion among thoughtful citizens.
Very well said 👏👏💯
No "gotcha moments," exactly - that's why I love him, he's so open and genuine... that is (sadly) So Rare!
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this conversations really shows there are good values and genuine intentions on both sides of political aisles. it is almost a shame they didn't try to disagree more / challenge each others on actual policies... but what a relief these days to see two guys not obsessed with demeaning the counterpart or polarizing everything.
It was very interesting to watch each of them actively listen to the other, and then actually address the points that the other made.
I honestly can't believe how much better I feel having seen these two fabulous men converse. I feel so reassured.
Thanks for watching 🙏 Hit me up 👆 let's converse ⬆️
Ben Shapiro -- fabulous? lol
In what way is squeaky little Ben fabulous?
@@qaipak1isn’t it crazy that people can have their own opinions ? Jeeze just let them be.
Ben claims he wants to live a life of being left alone. Then why don't Ben leave other people alone?
The worst part about this: not enough people will see it. And even fewer will follow its example.
400,000 views though 😊
@@RachelASmith1990 each one helps 👍
700K view on Ben's channel
The example starts with us :)
Over 400k views on Russell's channel and over 700 views on Ben's channel, not counting podcasts, in just over a week. I wouldn't call that 'just a few'
It’s sad when we’re in a world when we are happy to see two people actually have a a conversation and seem to respect each other if they don’t agree on certain topics
it's a sad world when we have to ''respectfully disagree'' with people who have genocidal ideologies. These white supremacists/colonizers literally out here killing CHILDREN, your generation who's afraid of confrontation are really just afraid of real solutions.
@@profaneinthemembrane6301 may I ask who your referring to as having genocidal ideologies
@@housebased7 Good question, Lord.
What? That's exactly the world we should be living in. That's not sad at all. It's sad when people aren't happy to see two people disagreeing respectfully.
@@danm2084 you took what he said and threw it out the window. The main point was just that there are some ideologies and shit that people are unable to “respectfully disagree” with because they’re something that should not be tolerated. I’m not sure if Shapiro is that ideology (even though he is an awful piece of grifting shit), but that’s the guys point
Russell's patience in allowing Ben to finish speaking is very admirable. Listening to the whole thought before spouting off your thoughts is very tough. Great conversation.
Yeah. Shows you he is actually listening
Shows that he's grown as a person, people never used to get a word in edgeways.
It’s nice. I love him for it. One thing is for sure though, Ben rarely does.
You kidding me? Maybe not when debating someone hostile but with Russell, both parties were respectful of their 3-5 minute responses and questions.
@@kay-collins I found them both to be extremely respectful. Brand has really grown as a person. I no longer think of him as a bafoon. Perhaps he never was. In either case, he’s thoughtful in his questions and responses.
It is refreshing to listen to 2 adults having a conversation without talking over each other and slagging each other off. I enjoyed this
Holy crap. This is the first example of a true respectful conversation between differing opinions I've seen in a long time. Love how you both started with finding common ground, acknowledging each others knowledge and bridges that unite...and then going into beliefs that have differences. You both respectfully listened and paid attention to each other, no interrupting each other, no mud slinging, no identity politics...just conversation.
This was fantastic. I learned from this from both sides.
John 15: 13
(no peace💘)
Totally agree.
Same first time I've heard someone debate Ben who managed to raise good points that i think should be delved into more.
So impressed with their ability to listen to each other without interupting.
I was impressed with this as well. Very rare to see this now days.
That’s bc they respect each other. People who constantly interrupt someone don’t respect the other person
Would never happen on JOB. Lol
@@BigGov74 Both Heavyweights?
@@thetruth9210 thats why he has the headphones on. With headphones on you can easily monitor speaking over the other person.
Calm, rational debates like this were the norm not that long ago.
And now they are almost illegal
Ohh the good old nostalgia
Exactly! I'm in my 60s and I can still remember when people spoke rationally and respectfully while still being in complete disagreement with each other.
maybe coercion and domination were more subtle. Nowadays every body screams at everybody on all platforms, back then it was comply or we wont let you on the TV anymore.
this is not a debate, this is dialogue and discussion
I absolutely love when two articulate geniuses get together for a respectful conversation or disagreement.
Why would sin separate you from god & how does it empower demons?
Do all sins separate you from god equal 😅 like murder & stealing a cookies? What level of sin causes what level of separation?
How can you be separated from god at all as well, how does that work?
What are demons ?
If Jesus was without sin why in Bible does devil & demons come to him to battle him the same as sinners? 😅
Answer questions like these could lead me to believe
@@skepticalthesensible - Believe blindly and God will answer your questions in ways you never imagined. God gave you life and free will, do with it as you wish.
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I'm glad you acknowledged that they are geniuses! I'm going to have to watch a 2nd time and look a lot of words up!! 😂 It is such a refreshing interview. I have some hope for the world now. Thank you and God Bless you both!🙏❤🙏
Russel is a good example why every human should study their language as deeply as possible, not to sound smart and pretentious but to be able to keep it civil and the conversation going, especially these days where people are so brainwashed and triggered by certain words.
Magnificent observation
its a good example too: BBC,CNN,MSNBC AND THE REST
Too many people buy into the sophistries of a casuist because they can't be bothered to think for themselves.
@@PEAKyBOB too easy of an answer
he's certainly very eloquent with an incredible vocabulary
I could see Russell actually becoming bigger than ever based on how this chanel is killing it everytime
@AmericanWorkers First I bet you're great at parties 🤣
Where? Not in the US. He uses words that are too big. :)
@AmericanWorkers First wars such as?
@AmericanWorkers First I BELIEVE you're spot on. I hope you're not though. I agree on Russell maybe just being a manover.
The topics he covers are highly dangerous & I think neither his managers or zionist TH-cam would allow that. I could be wrong, I hope I'm wrong, but this whole thing seems sus.
@AmericanWorkers First wtf even is this comment lmao
I’m a so called “conservative” even though I’m more of a libertarian but have come to find Russell brand a legend as of late. He can actually have a discussion with someone he disagrees with which is rare these days
He’s bloody brilliant.
@Texas Tom yeah I didn’t agree with him on Brexit and a few years ago he acted like an arrogant idiot but he’s obviously rethought the way he wants to conduct himself and now actually tries to understand other peoples point of view which is good. I also try to do the same but it’s rare on both sides tbh
Brand is a true scholar. Shapiro is also, tho slightly more biased, imo
I think this is just right at the beginning of Russel growing out of the teenage rebellion communist phase he - like so many 90's teenagers - fell into.
He is great now.
He was always smart, good hearted funny guy. He just used to be blinded by leftism and all the sanctimonious righteousness and idiocy that goes with it.
I forwarded this interview (both parts) to my mother and father, both of whom are in their 70's.
It was nice to see a couple of gentlemen who don't quite see eye-to-eye discuss things politely and with respect to each other.
I imagine these guys get along quite well outside of the scope of a debate.
An excellent example of how all discussions and debates should be conducted. Hats off Russell and Ben. Thank you.
Or they’re just cowards
@@ferise1 do you think they are being cowards in this conversation?
@ferise1 hahah, legend. Would refusing to agree on the things you have in common be brave then? I'm interested to know what you usually disagree with? Have you got into a fist fight over being called by your own name?
Disagreeing, debating and communicating respectfully is really healthy. Why hate people with different opinions 🤷🏼. I’ll really enjoy watching this , thank you guys
I guess there is an argument to hate people who have racist views and any extreme views whether they be left or right
@@Peace_and_love_24 the problem with that is that people who disagree with others and share different view points are labelled as racist even though they might not be. The word racist gets thrown around constantly when debating or talking to people. It's a dangerous game to label someone as something they might not be.
@@ZeekoRamen I know and completely agree I mean people who actually are racist
@@Peace_and_love_24 "actually racist " means different things to different people. The word is thrown like a brick at everyone they want to cut out of the conversation. And why should our goal be to change their minds?
@@morganghetti because to be genuinely racist is ignorant
I love how no matter how much Russell disagrees he tries to find something he can find common ground on with the person. Great human.
This is how we save the world.
Not debating.
Talking to one another.
Well, that AND shooting the people who refuse to do either ; )
@@constantlycorrect8550 Genociding whites? How exactly? Feel free to go into detail.
It is a debate/discussion
Well Russell wasn't really talking to him as in both putting across their feelings and thoughts, he was mostly just asking Ben what he thought
No, we don't save the world with talk. We realize that humans are destroying the world with industrialization and overpopulation. Had it been possible, my worldwide answer to Covid-19 would have been, "Let nature take her course."
Although, the shutdowns had some interesting results.
I feel like I've gained a few IQ points instead of lost a few IQ points like how I normally feel after watching two sides converse these days.
The world needs more people willing to engage in discussion like this.
Only through open and respectful dialogue will we be able to address issues of true importance.
And who is going to empty the bins and put food on the shelves I bet they have never ever did a days work in their life like most Treehuggers
There are millions of people like this. The problem is most of them already agree with each other, so they don't debate.
Wow. Just wow. Seeing this made me feel calm and hopeful. I wasn't fighting any anger back. It was respectful, informative and it shows that people with different views and feelings can be respectful and still differ without the toxic sludge that comes with sharing views with each other in a current "normal" conversation.
POTUS TRUMP WILL WIN AGAIN BECAUSE WE THE PEOPLE OF THE USA ARE WITH HIM 1000% BECAUSE HE IS THE ONLY PERSON WHO IS FIGHT FOR OUR FREEDOM FROM THE CORRUPT DEMOCRATS AND RINOS WHO HAVE PROVEN OVER AND OVER THEY ARE SELLING US OUT TO THE GLOBALIST CARTELS 🙏🇺🇸🙏
I keep liking Brand more and more. He's aging like a fine wine.
I agree me too
I used to say the same of Jennifer Aniston. But yes, I do see it. Russell you’re a fine wine indeed. 🍷
I dont dislike Russell brand but that was cringe
Do you know much about fine wine?
Really ?? He was waffling needlessly way to much in this interview.
As an atheist, I found that this observance of a Sabbath, to step off, reset and contemplate things...is a refreshing idea.
Russel is very impressive. I disagree with him on some of his views, but he is truly seeking knowledge and wisdom. It reminds me I should do that more. It's so easy to dig your heels in and think I've reached the truth. Total respect for him.
God told me He wants the whole world to know Jesus Christ...and that's the truth.
@Baby Barbie I saw Jesus in a dream as well and I think He did look a little bit like Russel. But if your heart really wants to know if Jesus is the Son of God, you can ask Him to show you; I asked many years ago and He let me know it's true, so I know He will keep His promise to show you if your sincere.
Too bad you can't say the same for the other guy.
Shapiro is an intolerant shill....
@@Mudflat_Man actually I can say that for Ben. Who's he shilling fir? Intolerant of who? I'm intolerant of liars. Does that make me intolerant?
@@marchebert938 don't expect a reply from him. He's regurgitated his boilerplate tribalistic talking point, and he likely hasn't thought for a second about the meaning of that statement, to say nothing of examples.
Russel’s ability to verbalize his thoughts through vocabulary is amazing
He talk good.
@@tomyoxon5901 word
Amazing as in tangent after tangent interrupted by incomplete thoughts? It’s like Ben is genius and Russell just rambled until a question appears. A lot of the time, it just was annoying. Ben’s responses were clear and concise even though he talks a million miles an hour.
"verbalise through vocabulary"
How profound.
@@BeforeThisNovember My bad, you’re saying the exact same thing. Verbalize: “speak, especially at excessive length and with little real content”
I literally clicked on this only to remember what "respectful disagreeing" actually looks like. Well done.
Me too sadly
Precisely, people need to learn from this.
Its very refreshing
It’s a lost art, having a conversation with someone who doesn’t hold ALL the same ideas with you without the insults and name calling like little kids. “You’re stupid”🙄. Very sad, because then you get division we’re seeing now.
@@mangot589 I wouldn’t say lost art. I’d say it’s still alive and well today. We’re all just tuned in to an old form of technology. That being television which unfortunately has some for influence in most debates and the rules in how they are performed. I think it’s up to us as the consumers to prove to everyone that civil discourse is still possible today. Have a good mango T.
I enjoyed this so much. It's so refreshing to see two intelligent men, discussing such pertinent current issues, without interruption and judgement. I've learnt so much from this, I'm going to watch it again lol. So clearly explained, even for those who haven't studied Philosophy and Religion. When I watch it again, I'll be taking notes. In fact, the more I think about it, this should be shown in schools before the future of our children is damaged beyond repair. This is the best discussion I have ever watched !!! Very impressive rhetoric Russell and Ben!!! I actually feel lighter and more focused in the present, and dare I say it slightly more optimistic about the future.
I agree with you completely. I too feel more positive about our future.
Can't get over how well Russel words his questions, always so respectful. Great interaction, great interview.
Russell is incredibly calm and articulate, but there is room for more reading, he doesn't usually source his views.
Love how he's writing down things to look at in the future... Care where this is going.❤️
Never would of guessed him to be so well spoken.
I can't believe Mr. Brand has come from a "Hollywood" entertainer background! Mr. Brand ALONE is restoring my faith (well erasing some my cynicism anyway) of entertainers being just that...Entertainers. Especially today when its been practically mandatory for so many entertainers to hop on what I personally call the "Ivory-Tower-Limousine-Commie-
Train", and spout off Marxist/Pinko/hyper-politically correct rhetoric like Jane Fonda in Hanoi on steroids.
Despite Mr. Brands casual attire and appearance to the point of almost looking like a used record store punk, he is someone to take seriously as an intellect. I currently take it as a source of pride being one of his subscribers. (And of course, Mr. Shapiro....JESUS! What a "UFC fighter/Navy Seal" of the intellect HE is!)
Russel and Ben would make a heck of a cool team :)
27 minutes in. The way they each admitted flaws in their own ideological “groups”. Respectable. The pinnacle of constructive conversation.
I dont buy Shapiros admission though. Hes playing a role here.
@@hutchison3379 what role
@@michaeldehoyos6185 The agreeable conservative. Despite what hes said here, he's made it clear in his career that he's not actually interested in genuine discussions with those he opposes. He's playing here for ratings.
@@hutchison3379 hmm 🤔
@@hutchison3379 Why? Ben has gotten people on the opposing side on his podcast and he's a very quiet interviewer. He has also changed his mind in regards to the war on drugs. Just because he doesn't fit into an echo chamber doesn't mean he's incapable of changing. Maybe you should change?
I like how Russel shows real interest in Ben’s religion and what it means to him, you can see from his body language the he genuinely wants to just hear Ben talk about it and how it shapes his life. He doesn’t come at him hot about issues they would disagree on or his hot take on current events, he wants to understand him and his point of view better before they get into the heavy issues they might disagree on. I think this is what sets Russel apart from anyone in the media; understanding people, events and political structures seems to be his passion project not his mortgage payment project.
Exactly, this is how people with differences can find solid ground ad respect each others opinions and agree to disagree on some issues but come together on common ground.
I don't understand why not more people are like that.
Yeah but he trolled him big time when he said that they have that in common 😁
@@spyretto No, he did not?
John 15: 13
(no peace💘)
What a great way to start a conversation by discussing you’re shared beliefs and thoughts. I very much enjoy both these men’s minds. I disagree with Ben on a lot of topics but listen to him through the week. Russel keeps me sane in this world of gas lighting behind everything. Thanks gents. Great talk.
An actual conversation. I thought those didn't exist anymore. Brilliant. Applause to you both.
POTUS TRUMP WILL WIN AGAIN BECAUSE WE THE PEOPLE OF THE USA ARE WITH HIM 1000% BECAUSE HE IS THE ONLY PERSON WHO IS FIGHT FOR OUR FREEDOM FROM THE CORRUPT DEMOCRATS AND RINOS WHO HAVE PROVEN OVER AND OVER THEY ARE SELLING US OUT TO THE GLOBALIST CARTELS 🙏🇺🇸🙏
Good thing about Russell is it never sounds like he's disagreeing with anyone, he's so well spoken in his opposite view its almost tough to identify when he's disagreeing. Good on ya Rus keep up the good work.
is that the mark of a good conversation? snowflakes.
@@yossarrian ?? Stay mad lmao
@@yossarrian amazing to see u see a negative in daniels comment. Must be rough
@@yossarrian Debate and conversation are 2 different things brother
@@richiem7716 "negative" is the product of bias mind. i see their comment as a waste of time, congratulating priveleged boys for talking in circles and resolving nothing.. yas, more of that please.. it's valuable as fertilizer, on the green side of things :) bootlickers need not express themselves
I remember as a Christian through the 90's I was always able to have polite and respectful conversations with people who were diametrically opposed to my view. This interview reminds me of those times
Things were nice before 9/11
Their viewpoint being diametric means it's opposed. You don't have to say it twice. ;) If you're going to use fancy words may as well use them correctly.
@@durden91tyler Diametrically opposed is a phrase that has been in use since at least the mid-1600s, and is still is common use today. We will examine the meaning of the term diametrically opposed, where it came from and some examples of its use in sentences.
The phrase diametrically opposed means to be completely and directly in opposition to something. The reference is to the two opposing points on either end of a diameter line drawn across a circle. The word diametrically is derived from the word diametrical, which is the adjective form of the word diameter. The word diameter is derived from the Greek word diametros, which means measuring across or the diagonal of a circle. Though the word diametrically may be used in reference to the diameter of an object or theoretical figure, it is most often used in the phrase diametrically opposed. The noun form is expressed as in diametrical opposition.
@@durden91tyler Maybe you need to learn how to use them correctly
@@durden91tyler....boorishness....
I admire both of these men -- Shapiro because he lives according to his values and because when he debates people, he always relies on facts. And I admire Brand because he's thoughtful and a great listener. I admit to having a mistaken impression of him before, thinking he was a crazy leftist. He's really quite rational and bright.
Look at that! Two people disagreeing without attacking each other’s character or motives or running away from the conversation. Didn’t know that was possible anymore.
yeah no. it was a hilarious discussion, because if russel had really pushed any point ben shapiro would run away like a little child like he had done several times already.
@@klauskinski5969 Thank you for taking something nice that we were all enjoying and trying to destroy it with your delusions
@@klauskinski5969 ... and the negativity, attacks and name calling are alive and well.
@@klauskinski5969 here comes the brain-dead lefty
@@darwinnunez5793 Ben Shapiro the type of guy to ban his wife from watching Sex Life on Netflix because he thinks it encourages women to cheat
The sign of a good debate is when it is hard to tell that the participants are disagreeing...and they are in fact discussing ideas honestly and with authenticity.
You’re right on the money with that.
This is more of an interview and conversation of brand wanting to know what’s going on in Bens world. The people who are lost in this world are the ones who are picking a winner when there’s no game
It was a blast to watch/listen to
Or just scream Russia Russia Russia instead!
Yeah, no.
By virtue it should be very obvious who is on what side of a debate between two people.
This is just a sycophantic chat carried out by two pseudo intellectual bullshiters.
Russell has matured into one of the world's wise adults.
viewed as such by immature kidults?
@@boliusabol822 Especially those
He has grown beautifully, indeed.
Wise? Yikes. He's open minded, and not as naive as he used to be, but I think that's as far as I'd go. I loved seeing him take notes though. And I love that he doesn't pretend to know everything. Very rare these days.
I agree .. this was a fascinating discussion
I'm a year late to watching this. I enjoy both Russell Brand and Ben Shapiro, but I admit I tend to find myself more in agreement with Ben than Russell. But as other commenters have shared, two clearly intelligent people who don't agree entirely, having a great conversation, challenging each other, and listening to each other without calling the other a Bad Man for having a contrary opinions. I remember more of these conversations when people were able to disagree without hatred. I wish we could get back to that.
One thing that struck me in this conversation was Russell's dislike of GDP as a marker of success in a part of the conversation where Ben had just separated Economic Fulfillment from Emotional/Spiritual/Moral Fulfillment. It felt like, and I'm prepared to be wrong, Russel's dislike of GDP as a measure was leaving the less economically successful behind and focused on those that were more economically successful rather than those that still needed some sort of assistance.
I think, however, this position fails to recognize that the GDP and similar economic gauges don't just recognize the success of people with wealth. The more people that move out of poverty, the more people that are able to build wealth and own their own home for example, the higher that GDP will be. Further as people develop their skills and their income potential rises, so will the GDP. That doesn't just mean people going to work at jobs and accepting a minimum wage paycheck, but also includes people starting their own businesses and generated wealth for themselves and others around them.
Indeed, I see absolutely no conflict between the kind of Spiritualism Russell talks about and Free Market Principals. I believe that lightly regulated free markets on the economic live of mankind, combined with charity, compassions and love supported by the spiritual side will always produce better results for more people than any kind of Government driven wealth redistribution or social support.
We don't need to choose between Economics and Spirituality. Rather, we must recognize that each is important, and each is made better with the other.
I'm listening to the full-length version of the interview as I write this, and I want to thank Russell for bringing Ben on and having this conversation. Although my own politics lean heavily to the left, my family has wildly different political views and I was raised to separate someone's political views from their inherent value as a human being. It's been really disheartening to see so many of my peers wholly refuse to recognize the humanity in people they disagree with, and to be criticized by these peers for not doing the same. I fully admit that I had a moment of hesitation before clicking this podcast, as I arrogantly assumed that it might leave me feeling frustrated. I was so unbelievably wrong.
This conversation really illustrates just how beneficial it is to approach all discussions with an open mind and an open heart. It's so refreshing to hear these two men speak about their beliefs, expounding upon those that align and respectfully listening to another perspective on those which differ. I really hope we can work towards a place where these conversations are the norm, and not a noteworthy exception. Thank you for sharing.
intelligence plays a big part in them being able to converse against one another so well. nice brains! refreshing
I think it's important to point out that the EQ here is more important than IQ here. We can obviously compromise 🙌🙌🙌
@@sndennison I would say they are equally important...always
Almost an hour but seemed like 5 minutes so interesting.. I miss intelligent debates like this!
I applaud Russell for this interview and others like it. The ability to disagree but still hold a respectful dialogue is a dying art.
Why are you lot so sure he disagrees?
@@Heopful because he says it no?
@@Heopful in the title
if it is dying then we need to find a way to heal it back to health
It’s not a art. It’s what the government is supposed to be doing… it’s a way of living it’s THE way of living
Bravo!! Words escape me to express my amazement, gratitude and just plain awe for these 2 men who navigated political mine fields with the respect and grace that is extinct in this time but so very necessary!! To be able to listen actively and not just wait to speak or berate or pound ideals into each other is so beautiful. It makes me so very sad that this is literally unheard of rather than the norm, because we as a human race COULD be in such a better space in all aspects of our lives (all of our lives) if we would just take note (as you see Mr. Brand doing) and realize how much we have in common rather than looking for reasons to continue on in this hate culture. To see how effortless having a respectful discussion on differing opinions in order to understand one another better can be. Should give us all a wage up call and force us to take a long hard look at the planks in our own eyes. To put in check the way we expect others to agree with us or be prepared for the wrath of our tongues unleashed from behind a computer or phone screen. To literally have the nasty conversation internally and come out as a much better society in the end.
Thank you both from the bottom of my heart.
Imagine having a respectful conversation with someone on the "other side" and actually finding common ground with both trying to show each other in a positive and empathetic light? WTF WORLD DO THESE TWO THINK WE ALL LIVE IN???? ;) Nicely done Gents.
Russell isn't on any side aprt from his own, he's an egoist, he doesn't give any policy perscriptions.
I've never met a Russel Brand fan who actually gets out and organizes politically to try and improve things.
There is no other side.
@@azuresage1067 What does that even mean,?there are many sides and contradictions.
@@sjewitt22 there are not many sides, there's only 2. And even that doesn't matter when you reflect on your personal worth compared to everything within the known universe.
People should really stop being narrow-minded, think big or go home.
I am frankly amazed at how much I enjoy Russell's interviews. He asks thoughtful questions, listens carefully to the answers, follows up, lets his guests speak without contrarian interruption. So here I am, day after day, checking out what he has to say. Thankful.
Good to see! He's a good lad is Russell.
Agreed 100%. I thought Russell was a narcissistic SOB, just a year ago. I was so wrong. One of my favorite public figures to listen to now. He’s very soothing for the soul when he’s speaking. His ability to show interest and ask pertinent questions, is just delightful. Even greater, is that it doesn’t feel like it’s fake.
Oh and I’m also very conservative. So this crossover has me almost giddy with excitement.
Did anybody see Ben Shapiro eyes change from 6:35 - 6:46. Put it in slow motion 0.25. They seem to change shape and color. I never thought reptile humans were real until I saw this into the video. Tell me what you guys think
@@thefreshjc1286 Reptilians hate TV. Must make them nervous 😁
Russell happy being himself, a gifted interviewer who makes the interviewee feel so at ease you get to know and understand them a bit better.
Trust me, he knows.
Always expecting to learn new vocabulary from Russell 😂 dude had rich vocabulary!!!!
Let’s talk😊
Slowing down and active listening has greatly improved Russell’s conversations and content. Inspiring, keep up the great work.
Unfortunately that cannot be said of Shapiro
It's also improved mine, what a wonderful thing it is when you learn to actively listen to someone. It's a game changer.
@@nad1ax2 Did you watch ? Or is this just the triggered response that all of us are so nauseated with ? Predetermined views of someone who you don't share the same opinion with is not a healthy approach in my view.
AGREE 💯💯
@@nad1ax2 huh? i don’t even like this man Ben and u r just talking bs
So nice to not have an anxiety attack or secondhand embarrassment during a simple dialog. Way to go, team.
Russell’s genuine curiosity of other people’s ideas is so amazing. It’s how I feel as a human. Sometimes when I question things and am curious about stuff people try to stuff you in a box to either hate you or like you. For example when I tried to figure out why people liked Trump and could understand those points of view, people then assumed I was a Trump supporter. No I am just curious because I live with the assumption that people are generally intelligent and good. I don’t like the idea of US vs. Them.
I liked trump for quite a few reasons, for one, he was the most pro-LGBTQ+ president in history. I loved his work primarily for the Hispanic and black communities through prison reforms. In comparison to opposing democratic candidates, Trump seemed a lot more pro-constitution; specially when discussing the first and second amendment. I also liked the idea that he ran off of, putting America first wether it’s through foreign trade with china, becoming oil and energy independent, or securing our southern
Border which is an absolute disaster. There’s also a lot of things I don’t like about Trump, but Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden are not better options in any way, shape or form.
@@Kaptiv239 didn’t Trump rollback Obama-era policies, non discrimination acts and appointed many anti-lgbt judges?
@@westoni3365 I’m pretty sure every President In history has continued at least one thing from the administration before them, I’m not sure about the judges. I don’t remember any judges signing any anti-lgbtq+ laws, rules or regulations. LGBTQ+ also
Haven’t lost any rights under the Trump administration, so I’m not sure what exactly
You’re talking about to be honest.
@@westoni3365 stop spouting random nonsense that you don't even understand. Blows my mind people who just make up happenings to support their views.
@@westoni3365 NO he didn't , he did NONE of that, WHY are you asking questions you already know are LIES? stop being disingenuous.
loved this one the best of Ben i've heard...loved his 'natural law' Aquinas blending with Jewish philosophy...(conservative=want the status quo for continued wholeness change isn't needed...liberal=let status quo go for change because good for the whole...does 'this or that' increase wholeness and holiness or destroy it...the idea that a person can 'pick' whether they can be a 'male' or 'female' is nuts etc.)...OMski
I’ve been reading the comments and I feel, now more than ever, we need smart, open-minded folks from multiple view points, like Ben and Russell, on our airwaves and not just as hidden gems left for finding on the vast universe of TH-cam. These 50 minutes went bye so fast and I left feeling hopeful. Thanks for being open to discourse and open exchange of ideas.
I think as society is increasingly moving away from these monolithic broadcasting companies, more conversations like these will appear. Society itself is becoming more and more decentralized, which is both good and bad. Good because the abuse of power by large institutions becomes less and less frequent, bad because I fear we are seeing, as a result, the death of community.
We need Jesus. Thanks though!
@@Minotaur-ey2lg you can see lack of community with all the homeless even since victorian era real communities would be like native tribes and the amish and some orthodox jewish groups
Excuse me?
"now more than ever, we need smart, open-minded folks from multiple view points, like Ben and Russell."
This comment literally reminds me of people who don't know someone, yet call them "nice" and "pleasant" b/c they smile and tell you "hi." Just because someone comes off as pleasant, friendly, and nice doesn't imply that they are a good/decent person.
Ben Shapiro is as polarizing as Donald Trump. Have you ever been to his TH-cam channel? He may talk fast and with confidence, but it doesn't make him correct - on the contrary, Shapiro is distorted and his motives are fueled by religious authoritavism. There is nothing open minded about him. He is severely biased in his assertions; he is a cancer to society. I am happy there are more people like me in this country than someone like Shapiro.
@@AlexM-ht9ff Try not to wrench your arm out of it’s socket patting yourself on the back.
wow, I mean wow. This is how civilized people should dialouge.
Russell is great. Probably the best TH-cam channel going IMO.
This conversation is productive because of Russell. Shapiro isn't usually this way.
@@ChrisAlbertH47 yes he is
Watch talk shows from the 80's and back. Kicking and screaming is a new phenomenon. It's pretty annoying.
@@ChrisAlbertH47 100% agree. Shapiro makes it incredibly difficult to respectfully disagree considering his overt opinion of people who disagree with him is that they're just stupid. Very rarely does he express his opinion without the snide or directly insulting comment at the end.
13:20 - “I’m not very good at prayer, I tend to be impatient.”
I’m imagining God trying to get a word in edgewise as Ben Shapiro prays like an auctioneer, haha
God knows all
And proceeds to tell God exactly how He should do His job.
That is absolutely hilarious. Thank you for that mental image!
lmao
Actually killed me with this comment 🤣