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Here is my review and breakdown for the new Doctor Who episode: ROGUE, written by Kate Herron & Briony Redman.
Feel free to let me know your thoughts in the comments below! I'm sure a lot of people will disagree with me on this one so don't be afraid to put your viewpoints forward! Just remember to keep it friendly :)
As always, I hope you guys enjoy.
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I think the "flashback" to Ruby's Mom is there to set up the finale when something terrible does happen to Ruby next episode and we have that promise scene fresh in our minds.
I agree, I just wish it was a scene we’d seen earlier in the season - because in this episode, it just fuels a cheap fakeout.
@@MrGreaves id rather see ncuti face the daleks cybermen or the master
I'd like to know what the heck Ruby's plan was.
This is actually the best review of this episode I've run across. I feel pretty much the exact same way about romantic relationships for The Doctor, and the only other things I really had issues with were that The Doctor cried AGAIN! Enough crying, please. And OWLS?!?!? Owls are supposed to be scary? They couldn't have given us anything more frightening in appearance? Other than those issues, I mostly enjoyed this episode, and I loved the character of Rogue. The cosplay element was delightful. Still, it could have been a much better episode. And finally.......ENOUGH CRYING!
Thank you, I appreciate that a lot!
I didn’t so much mind the bird like appearance because they were kinda goofy villains… but the crying is a tad annoying. I really don’t mind the Doctor crying. It’s a good message to young boys that they’re allowed to cry and not feel ashamed by it. But doing it every episode does lessen the impact significantly. The only episode he hasn’t cried in was 73 Yards, and that’s only because he wasn’t in it…
The crying was appropriate in this situation but in some of the other ones not rlly that much in my opinion
I’m glad more and more people are seeing how flawed this episode is. After the episode came out and everyone was praising it I kinda felt like the odd one out and really hoped that the “anti-woke” group weren’t the only ones who disliked it. I didn’t buy for one moment that meeting rogue changed the doctor’s life forever, which RTD claim would happen. I do think it would’ve been interesting for him to be a companion, but yeh his sacrifice at the end fell flat and i didn’t care. Also I thought some of the dialogue was very iffy and I detected the psychic earrings saving ruby’s life from a mile away when they mentioned “battle mode” at the start. Also, IF ROGUE CAN PUSH RUBY OFF THE TRAP THEN WHY COULDNT THE DOCTOR PULL HER OFF IT OR SOMETHING. Anyway, despite how mid this was it certainly hasn’t killed my hype for the finale.
Also a 5/10 for me
Yeah, the overwhelming praise of this episode certainly surprised me. I’m glad everyone liked it, but I was very worried to be like the one person that didn’t… I know it’d be easy for people to make certain connotations. Glad I’m not the only person who wasn’t overly struck, because I’d rather not be grouped with the anti-woke.
And yeah, it’s definitely not killed my hype! I hope the finale sticks the landing. I’m looking forward to it for sure.
I'm so excited for the next episode!!!! I want to know what the heck is going on with Susan twist is supposed to be..
I am actually subscribing to your channel because of this review. I feel like people either go all in or all out on how they feel about episodes and I like your nuance.
This was my least favorite episode of the season. I don’t have a problem with earned romantic relationships but they rushed that quite a bit, and, at the cost of leaving Ruby alone with the baddies. I think though, it being rushed on every front is what made the attempt at emotion fall flat. I didn’t mind it in 73 yards, montages work for me. But I agree with you that a second fake out death🙄
I have loved this season, despite some flaws, and can’t wait to see how it ends. I’d also like to see the characters fleshed out more.
Thank you for a nice video and break down, I am following now.
Thank you so much! Glad to know my attempts to be nuanced pay off.
I agree with you here. I’d love to see the characters fleshed out and the stories too. The emotions just didn’t hit here for me because it’s all just speedrunning.
It’s definitely a programme that needs breathing room and I hope future seasons learn from this.
I understand what you're saying about the writers, but personally, I loved it being so called run in the mill DW. I mean, my first thought after watching it was finally, an episode that actually feels like good ol' NuWho! It wasn't anything groundbreaking, but it still had everything I could want from a good DW story - It was fun and camp, yet emotional at times; great setting, cool uncomplicated monsters, awesome character moments. I feel like I finally got a chance to actually get to know Ruby and 15 better as people, and see what they're actually like on a run-in-the-mill type of adventure. The Doctor felt more like the Doctor here than he did in many of the previous stories imo, and Ruby finally showed some real agency as a companion (she also did in 73 yards and Boom, but there she didn't really have a choice but to be separated from the Doctor; I liked that in this case, they just decided to split and she actually chose to do her own thing). I do wish it would have happened much earlier in the season, but better late then never I suppose lol :)
I actually disagree that she didn't get much to do, and def don't think it's right to say that she spent the episode "gossiping about men" when actually, she did the exact opposite - Yeah, there was the initial scene where she enjoyed watching the drama unfold, but otherwise, she ignored the lord's advances and put him in his place, and later spent a lot of the episode trying to convince what she thought was an 19th century young woman, that she deserved better than to be kept a secret and that she didn't need to settle for a lesser man and a simple life. I really liked her storyline, and of course, the fact that she also ended up saving herself in a way, fighting and buying time in a clever way until the Doctor could reach her, was just the cherry on top.
I also loved the chemistry between Ncuti and Jonathan Groff, and his character was actually really interesting imo (which yeah, was similar to Captain Jack in many aspects, but I personally didn't mind it at all), so I hope he does come back in the future! But even if we don't get to see him again, it was a great choice of guest star and a very cool dynamic to watch unfold. I especially loved the scene where they danced, and how they used the homophobia of the era in their favour (and the Doctor's reaction to the proposal was also very intriguing).
My only, very tiny gripe tbh, is how quickly the Doctor believed Ruby was actually gone. I mean, I liked Ruby's side of it, using the earring's previously established combat-mode and "cosplaying" was very clever on her part and I can totally believe it worked. It was also well established that the creatures don't identify each other very quickly so I can even buy them not clocking her. However, personally, since all the Chuldur were in bird-form, and she was the only one that wasn't, I immediately assumed it was actually the real Ruby. When the Doctor ran off, I expected him to go search for her body, to want to verify that she's actually dead before he rains down hell on them.. But instead he just went away to cry, which was a bit disappointing tbh. I'm not one of those people who has a problem with him crying in every episode, I think that's a nice character trait for 15; he's emotional and wears his heart(s) on his sleeve and that's cool. I just didn't like how quickly he accepted it without even checking - and even if he did believe it and just felt like crying, I don't get why he had to go off to the side to do so. I doubt he'd be the kind of character who cares about other people seeing him cry, that's such a human male-ego type of trait that doesn't fit the Doctor imo, but oh well. That being said, I did love the darker-Doctor moment where he asked about the Chuldur's lifespan. Loved how he got all Family-of-Blood-type of revengeful for a moment there, since it's def a very Doctory thing we hadn't seen much from 15 so far.
I respect your opinion, but I honestly think you're being a bit harsh.. This was a solid 7.5 or even 8/10 imo.
Bloody hell, you’ve done your own full review in a comment haha!
I see what you’re saying. I am glad we got a traditional Doctor Who story, but my issue comes from the limited season run. If there was an even split of experimental and traditional episodes, it might not be such an issue… but to have just ONE normal episode and the rest of the season be big-swingers doesn’t work for me. I just don’t think it meshes. We need longer seasons again - 12 or 13 episodes.
I agree that Ruby gets some chosen independence in this episode and that’s an aspect I didn’t highlight, you’re right to point it out. But I still do think her entire storyline being dependent on men is true. I’m not a fan of when women are degraded by media, making a point that women don’t need a man in their life etc. Like… yeah, obviously? I don’t think writers are even aware that this is a trope, but I’d like to start exploring femininity and female empowerment without the dependency of men as a crutch. She spends the whole episode convincing Emily that she doesn’t need Lord Barton, and her main impressive trait to the dutchess is turning down Barton.. just treaded that fine line for me. But again, just my take. Could be wrong. Which is why I love discussion so much!
Definitely think Rogue + the Doctor is the strongest aspect of the episode, even though I really don’t like romance from the Doctor in the show at all. And I did think the villains were nice, uncomplicated creatures that were desperately needed. Other than the aspects I didn’t like about them that I highlighted in the video, they were very fun!
And finally, thank you for valuing my opinion. Too many people just jump to hostility and say “you’re wrong” and I had a feeling this review might get a few of those. Perhaps I was too harsh, but unfortunately the issues listed above and just my general enjoyment of the episode detracted from it.
But hey! I enjoyed it more on a rewatch. It went from a 4 to a 5 for me, so potentially it’ll grow on me in the future?!
@@MrGreaves Yeah, I can agree with you about the overall season structure and length, I just don't hold that against this episode specifically.. But I definitely feel like this season was too short and too experimental for its own good a lot of the time.
I do also technically agree with your point about female empowerment without the dependency of men, but I do think the era they're in, plays an important factor here. You can say that it's "obvious", but to a 19th century woman, it really isn't.. Therefore why Ruby had to spend some time and effort to try and convince her as much. I didn't find it degrading, as it was just a reflection of actual opinions of the time, and I liked that Ruby provided a modern contra to that.
Also, her actual actions at the end of the episode, had nothing to do with men, as she mostly saved herself; and even though she did buy time for the Doctor to eventually get to her, I didn't personally see at as in issue since:
1. that's the established Doctor-companion dynamic at play, not really because she's a woman.
2. I don't think the Doctor is exactly a man regardless, so... Not sure if that even counts lol.
3. There's only so much she can do on her own against a family of aliens, even with the earrings fighting capabilities. She used it when she needed to, then knew when to step back and act like one of them, practically going undercover until she could either be saved by the Doctor, or maybe find some other way to escape or stop the Chuldur.
4. We technically don't know what her plan was after she began cosplaying, she might have had other ideas on how to escape or stop them, but her plan was actually derailed by the Doctor's trap lol.
I can understand and respect not liking romance in DW. I personally don't mind it, even tho I'm demi myself (an ace spectrum identity), I actually like the fact that some incarnations of the Doctor are Asexual, some are both Asexual and Aromantic, and some are neither (but still usually queer in other ways). Just like most other factors about the Doctor's body and personality, it just makes sense to me that their sexual preferences and gender identity/expression would be things that change with regeneration. That being said, I'm not a big fan of the Doctor developing a romantic relationship with their companions, mostly due to the insane gap in age and experience, and also, for how it effects their dynamic while traveling (I much prefer the BFF type of dynamic, e.g. 10&Donna are my all time fav TARDIS team). But, when it comes to one-time guest stars, or even recurring characters - especially when they're not young humans, such as River for example, I don't mind it and feel like it makes a lot more sense. If Rogue ends up being a River-type recurring character, I'd personally love that.
And yeah, of course! Thank you for listening to my opinion as well, and taking the time to comment. I know that I tend to ramble a lot lol.. But I do enjoy these discussions. I see no point in coming in with hostility and saying you're flat out wrong, as this is clearly all a matter of opinion at the end of the day haha. I was sorry to hear that you didn't like the episode as much as I did, but I still enjoyed your review :)
@@micron000Oh yeah, I had no issue with Ruby at the end of the episode (other than the cheap fakeout stuff) and it was a great instance of independence. The rest did just feel like the whole “women can’t standalone without standing away from men” trope, which bugs me. And I would argue that if the episode can’t do it well, then it shouldn’t at all. Which I know is a bold statement but…
Yeah, I don’t think Ruby has had great character work put into her this season - and this episode. And it’s a shame, because I want to love her character but I just find her incredibly underwritten and relying on various outdated tropes.
Could just be me though! Maybe other people love her, and that’s fine too.
Glad you highlighted this aspect about sexuality changing with regeneration. I’m not opposed to the idea, I think it mainly comes from - as you said - companions being the love interest. When it’s not a 900 year old paired with a 19 year old and it’s actually a compelling, complex relationship between two complicated beings (like River and 11) it works for me. I really did like River. So if Rogue is going in this direction then I’m probably not opposed to it. I just hope it’s written well.
And no worries! I love engaging with the community - especially because there’s always stuff to learn. Thank you for stopping by and sharing your thoughts! I really appreciate it ❤️
Ye this might be the worst episode of the season so far for me, I mean not enjoying something is 1 thing but this episode had me sighing and thinking to my self “wtf is going on.”
Not only is this another fake out death of ruby but it’s also another episode where she gets *absolutely nothing to doooo* it’s actually painful to know we are 2 episodes left and I couldn’t give 2 fs about her character at all.
The villains were also so awful, they were so flat. I think zygons would have worked better for 2 reasons:
1. Zygons are characters where the underlay of their characters is already established and written so not diving deep into 1 group of them wouldn’t hurt at all
2. The idea would be unique as hell for zygons, a group that actually want to use their powers for a kind of play or show to them
The villains we got where so flat and cause they are new I just didn’t care about them at all, their design was also goofy asf 😂😂
Rouge and the doctor……….no.
It just didn’t work, rouge like the villains is a flat character. I barely know anything about him other than he’s gay as hell and he’s hot, he felt like a b-tec captain jack (who btw is way hotter than rogue 😮💨🥱) but without anything even interesting about him. Him and the doctor felt like it was written by some horny teenagers, I don’t even think Moffat would write something so horny 💀💀 and that’s saying something. I mean I just don’t buy for a single second that the doctor would have *aaannnnyyyy* kind of feeling for someone just cause he’s hot and he hanged around him for a few hrs at the max. I just can’t get behind that, the doctor is a damn time Lord, a 5 dimensional being who has lived for thousands of years and been in scenarios like this before and has seen plenty of “hot” people. The ep didn’t convince me that rouge is anything special at all. It felt just forced for the sake of having something gay in the show.
(And no incase anyone replies to this comment about the last part, am not some homophone, am BI, am just stating something that was most likely the case of why the doctor and rogue where ever a thing in this ep, it was forced as hell)
Man am atheist but these bad eps we have had this season are getting me praying to some god that the next 2 eps are good 💀 I can’t handle another bad ep……..I just can’t.
Definitely agree about Ruby and I agree about Rogue x 15 too. I wonder how people who like romance in this show fair with this.. evidently pretty well from what I’ve seen online but. Yeah, I never liked romance in this show all that much and it definitely felt contrived in this episode. Not think the Doctor is the sort of person to match someone entirely based on looks anyway…
But hey, maybe every incarnation is different! So who knows?
@@MrGreaves ye ik every doctor is different but like the core of who they are shouldn’t change all that much, Even the romantic doctors like 8 still needed more than just looks to be interested in someone, even romance in new who I could somewhat get behind cause it wasn’t ever really based on just looks, it was based on longer relationships or historical value (which the doctor has said in comics that he is often attracted to valuable moments or people in history)
@@OnTheHorizon- That being said… the more we forget about 8 and Grace, the better 😂
@@MrGreaves in an alternate universe bro straight up decided to live with her on earth and give up being the doctor saving people, idk what writers saw in him and her 😂😂😂 then u compare that stuff to him in his later years where he was literally going crazy being stuck on earth as a landlord 💀 I wish it was paul mcgann that was the 14th doctor, I think out of any doctor he deserved to have la episodes, the amount he’s done for big finish is nuts. He’s so loyal to the show.......
@@OnTheHorizon- oh I can't wait to get to Stranded lmao. I'm currently making my way through Ravenous 3. I love Paul so much. I agree that he definitely deserves some episodes. My personal favourite Doctor. I hope the rumours about his spin-off are true - because it's gotta be done now or never.
I get everything you're saying, but juuust don't quite feel the same. Is the Doctor interesting enough to not need romance as a character? Sure, but not needing it doesn't make it realistic that they'd never experience it. Was one episode too short for us to really care about Rogue, or buy that the Doctor does? Should have been, but I was pleasantly surprised by how well it worked anyhow. Two fake-out deaths? I would say Ruby has had three fake-out deaths at this point, but each one has served a different purpose, and none of them were to actually make the audience fear she was really dead - this latest one explored the impact on the Doctor, and set up to show us how impossible it would be for them to allow her to really die, something I think we will be brought back to in the last two episodes. Overall, the criticism I most agree with was doing this in one episode, and that the season is too short. I'd love to have seen Rogue introduced over two or three episodes before this big moment. But at the same time, RTD has clearly stated that his goal is to get Doctor Who on a regular release schedule, no long dead periods, and these short seasons are a part of that, so it's a tradeoff I'm willing to accept.
Thanks for stopping by and commenting!
I personally think the Doctor can go without romance. He did from 1963-1989 and, in my opinion, the lack of melodrama there made the show more compelling. But I’m also aware it’s a change that probably had to happen for 21st century tv. So it’s just gonna be something I don’t like for personal reasons. Unable to critique it but it’s just not my cup of tea.
I think my issue with Ruby’s fakeout death is still there even if it was to explore the relationship with the Doctor. There should’ve been a clear bond established between them without the need of this. In my opinion, it adds nothing to their dynamic other than “the Doctor would be sad if she was gone” and again.. I just thought it was a lame way to pull on the heartstrings.
Glad you agree about the season length though. And yes, you’re right. I’d rather have consistently released Doctor Who than a big wait in between seasons. I just hope they nail the 8-episode formula next season if they’re going to continue with it. It feels like character work is being traded off for quick exposition and snappy stories and I’m not a fan of that decision. But again, here’s hoping it improves!
Pretty much agree with everyone you said really... Awesome review!!!
Mr personally. Don't need the negativity. Absolutely LOVED this episode. Easily one of my favorite in years.
Glad you enjoyed it! I hope you know that I’m not trying to be negative though…
The doctor and river worked because it was a weird timey whimey sci fi concept that wasnt a normal relationship. It was surreal and fun. I think they took it a bit far by the end with smith kissing her in the name of the doctor because it didnt seem like that was their relationship. It felt like more of a non sexual type of relationship until that point. All the other nonsense moffat and RTD wrote could have been scrapped for the better. This one in particular doesnt even come across as romance, it comes across as a guy trying to get his rocks off in 40 minutes and honestly was uncomfortable to watch in some places. I do not need or want to see the doctor gyrating his hips at someone while giving bed me eyes for example.
I understand this 100% and I’m kinda in the same boat. Though I must admit, Name of The Doctor does get me very emotional every time I watch it… but yeah, River and the Doc is my one exception to the “I don’t like romance in Dr Who” stance I have.
Didn’t really like this episode but I am exited about the next one, it seems they might tie together all the cameos of Susan twist. Can’t wait to see it but I give this one a 4/10
I initially gave this a 4 too, but had slightly more fun with it on a rewatch. Hopefully future visitations improve the episode for you!
I hope the finale will be good. I too am very excited for it. Looking forward to Susan Twist’s reveal!
I like the character ROGUE. But I don’t like how he developed, romantic feelings for The-Doctor, I think it would’ve been better if they became friends.
In addition I hate how the writers, had made The-Doctor become a homosexual.
It seems to me, that the writers, want the (DOCTOR WHO) show to get eliminated.
This is what I was afraid of. The Doctor is now not The Doctor. He's asexual, he's not queer. This was like a badly written fan fiction by a coupe of horny teenagers. Making him queer just alienates a vast swath of the audience, especially the young ones. The reason The Doctor works is because he's an ideal. He's brave, and clever, and inclusive by being alien. It's the companions who give us the connection. It was just garbage, wonderful production values, but everything else was too shite to get on with. I'm out. I'm unsubbing, not because I don't like your content, but just because it's no longer worth my time
Well, I have issues with the Doctor being romantic but at least mine are consistent. The Doctor being gay is not a problem to me, because the Doctor has also had straight relationships that prove he is a romantic character. It’s just a change I don’t like from the modern series.
Not watching the show anymore because of homosexuality is very childish in my opinion, and proves this was never a show to begin with. If you’re also so quick to unsubscribe because your conservative values weren’t met by the show, not even anything of my own fault, then I don’t want your subscription anyway. Goodbye!
@@MrGreaves You're making a lot of assumptions there, buddy boy. I'm not conservative, not even slightly, I'm a lefty socialist, and I'm gay, not just gay, but super gay, my nickname is Big Gay Al, and I'm camp as a row of tents, what I am, though, is a Doctor Who fan who has been his entire life and seeing something you love being shit on is painful and I no longer want to subject myself to that. If it finds a new audience, great, but I think we both know that's just not happening. As to unsubscribing, I'm unsubbing because your content no longer interests me, so why would I stay subbed when I'm done with Doctor Who? Your content is great, it's just no longer for me.
Here's an idea, don't project, don't assume and respect other people's right to think it's shit and check out.
@@aliservan7188 Forgive me for making assumptions, but your whole argument was quitting the show because the Doctor is now gay. Or at least bisexual. Which still irks me, with all you’ve confessed. But fair enough, apologies for assuming.
I also think it’s pretty hostile to drop a comment on someone’s video telling them that you’re unsubscribing for practically no reason. I’m open to criticism, in fact I encourage it, but just saying “this no longer interests me, I’m unsubscribing” is a little mean-spirited - in my opinion.
Sorry to hear that you’re unhappy with the direction of the show anyway. If you have no bigoted reasons to quit out and genuinely just don’t like the programme anymore, then fair enough. Hope you find something decent to fill the void. There’s a few great shows I can recommend if that’s what you’re looking for.
David Tennant and Matt Smith weren't portrayed as asexual either, so wdym this is what you were afraid of happening. This has been the case for all of nuwho. Nothing has really changed significantly. Personally I'd rather have the doctor be asexual, but that has absolutely not been the default so far.
@@MrGreaves Absolutely NO criticism of your content, I love your reviews, they're eloquent, well-thought-out and entertaining. I'm quitting because The Doctor being queer is the last straw. It's been years in the making. I suffered through the abortion that was the Chibnal era, with all the intelligence insulting, history destroying badly written crap, and genuinely hoped RDT would save it, but what we got is a Disney show that has little to do with the Doctor being the main character. The Doctor has certain character traits that should b set in stone. Clever, secular, asexual, alien but compassionate, never cruel, and Jodie Whittaker played it like she had autism, was frequently cruel and often dumb as a box of rocks, and Gatwa is a snivelling, emo queen which detracts from all his other great characteristics. I freaking love him, and he's a damned fine Doctor. If they had more episodes with the bravery of 73 Yards and the bollocks of Dot and Bubble, I'd be happy, but after Rogue, I've lost all hope for the character of The Doctor
The writing was just terrible.