Ride or die I feel like that makes so much sense. I feel bad because she’s such an important character in lore but then she’s just like I don’t know. I love her and I love you and I love them both.
I didnt know he learned English to do this character. Thats dope af, i really loved his voice in the show just how heavy his accent was but i assumed he had been speaking English for a long time. Thats incredibly impressive
@@kdusel1991 yeah it really was, i assumed he was speaking English for most of his life just with a strong accent. I really enjoyed his accent too just the little ways he pronounced certain words was super awesome
I appreciate how both Sol and Vernestra both have a sense of self-righteousness about them. Both have good intentions, but are willing to go to extreme lengths to pursue those intentions. Many critics of this portrayal have an unrealistic idea that all Jedi should be pure good.
"It matters which side we choose. Even if there will never be more light than darkness. Even if there can be no more joy in the galaxy than there is pain. For every action we undertake, for every word we speak, for every life we touch-it matters. I don’t turn toward the light because it means someday I’ll ‘win’ some sort of cosmic game. I turn toward it because it is the light." That is just great line from Master and Apprentice, and it sums up Qui Gon very neatly.
@@alejandromolina7270 Oh, you said that in the original comment. I thought that was referring to who said it. As in "great line from Master to/and Apprentice." I could have noticed that.. Doesn't matter. Thanks anyway
I think one could argue that Qui Gon did succeed.(from a certain point of view) He discovered how to "Force Ghost," passed that knowledge on to Obi-Wan, who used it to help Luke destroy the Deathstar, then he was able to tell Luke about Vader and Leia, which lead to Anakin's redemption and the end of the Empire.
Man, I always appreciate your videos. You offer thoughtful discussion on Star Wars, and bring up valid criticism where you see fit without relying on the all too easy outrage clickbait stuff. Just talkin Star Wars. Fuck yeah. And this video doesn’t disappoint. Great examination of these two Jedi. Keep em coming 🙌🏻
10:57 I think it’s worth distinguishing between the desire to help and the desire to train, Qui Gon wanted to help Anakin, but he was capable of letting go. He felt that Anakin needed to be trained because of the prophecy, but I don’t think he would have been insistent that HE had to be the one to do so.
This show did an excellent job of depicting how even the best of intentions from an altruistic character can be misled and how the unchecked power of the Jedi led to their undoing.
Not something relevant at the moment. but i just realized that the vergence in the force was around Anakin, while the twins were just made from one. Remembering Empire strikes back and last Jedi (both the middle films interestingly enough) the dark hole we see the witch around is probably the real vergence on Brendock.
I think one of the most interesting things is that it wasn't until post Russan that the jedi stopped taking older Padawans to train. They still had an age limit to a point, but they went more off of feeling than they did a stricture of rules that they put on themselves. Much like how earlier on in the history of the jedi the path to the dark side wasn't so... Simplistic and direct. They still had the code but they used it as a guiding factor, not a set of rules. It's only as the dark side became to them what felt like was far too powerful after the history of on and off conflicts of greater or lesser sizes with the sith or large cults that they started to clamp down. Revan for instance was not an anomaly or full problem for turning to the dark side as it stood. It was the number of Jedi that followed Them down the path that ultimately made Them such a massive threat. And at the same time he also had a strategy for what he was doing. Yes it was decimating the republic in the process, but it was an attempt at consolidating a power against a greater threat that the Jedi and Republic would not be able to handle. Neither would work with Revan after their fall however. Emotions weren't seen as a negative for the vast majority of the Jedi's history. Keeping them in check from going to extremes was, being able to balance ones self. While using anger as a tool frowned upon greatly, and fear being something to be kept in check. Passion, love and so on were cherished. Luke's New Jedi Order in legends was much more akin to the jedi of the Old Republic. Age wasn't a factor, background wasn't a major factor, having a romantic partner wasn't frowned upon. Qui-Gon would have fit quite well into the old ways. Sol would have as well, but he would have been noticed as a Jedi that is unbalanced and likely kept at a temple to continue learning. Whether he was granted his knighthood or not. He had good instincts, he just let them cloud his mind too much along with the inner turmoil he faced. It's interesting how the Jedi grew more rigid, their ability to see the issues within themselves became more and more difficult.
Your take on The Acolyte has made me rethink my viewing of the series. I would even go as far as to say Star Wars as a whole. Thank you for standing for The Republic. For democracy.
Sol may be based on Qui Gon, but he’s more like Anakin in personality. The way he gets attached to Osha makes me think of Anakin and Ahsoka. He very much feels like an older Anakin. One who’s better learned to control his emotions, but he still doesn’t have the perfect Jedi calm and can make some selfish decisions and still justify them to himself. I even think Anakin would try and emulate Qui Gon as an older man
Early on while watching I said the whole story is riding on Sol, and I was elated to find that was exactly the case. He did a wonderful job as Master Sol.
I love how you point out that had their position been switched, Masters Sol and Qui-Gon wouls not have failed the kids. They're both tragic flawed heroes.
Dude, outstanding analytical comparison between Sol and Qui-Gon. As you said, each was better suited for the other's situation. Sol went to Bynrdok (sp?) with the mindset of so many 18th and 19th century explorers who saw the normal customs of foreign cultures as barbaric and dangerous. He judged them by Republic Space laws and values. This is a curious oversight and might be added to the mountain of writing sins attributed to this show. Qui-Gon recognized that Republic values did not apply outside the core systems and did not try to enforce those values even though as a Jedi he'd feel that slavery was an immoral institution.
lmao “so I’m just gonna say that you know Padmes a ride or die kinda chick”. you’re doing great with these videos. appreciate you sharing your real thoughts.
7:44 I'm reading up on the Prequel Books, and am reading Master and Apprentice by Claudia Gray. What's interesting with what you said here is that Yoda actually doesn't want Qui-Gon on the Council. Of the Masters who voted to put Qui Gon in the Council Seat, Yoda tells Jinn blatantly that he did not vote for him.
Bro, I started subscribing a year ago.. I totally appreciate your content... and have totally been checking out your early videos!! Keep up the great work Alan!!
What?? He didn't even know English?! Wow, what determination and intelligence to go through all that effort! But also...how does that even work? I wouldn't have thought it possible to try out for a role outside the role's language...like, he must have been even BETTER in his native language than we see him for anyone to consider taking the risk that their new star might not do a good job with a different language. That's just wild!
The creator of the comic itself had to post a statement about saying it was just a dark vision a fear of Anakin itself because if he has been manipulating him all his life, could he have been since yhe begining? So it was not real
And both Osha and Anakin stopped someone from killing the bad guy, which would have solved everything. They both had some kind of weird "light side thoughts" at the exact wrong moment, before turning to the dark side.
Lee Jung Jae and Liam Neeson should team up for a buddy-cop movie. They can call it "Spaceballs Three, Rob Roy And Liu Bei In Space". It'll be a direct sidequel to "Spaceballs Two, The Search For More Money."
I'd imagine that had Sol lived, he'd definitely be very good friends with Qui Gon since they both seem to have the same views on the force. Also Lee Jung Jae was inspired by Qui Gon when he came up with Sol
@@kdusel1991 yeah they were both amazing in that show, for all the flaws in the show as a whole they actually made me really enjoy the show and want more. I cant wait for a season two, Hopefully they make it
The one thing that hit me is why didn’t Padme freed Shmi? She was a queen after all and Anakin’s mom would’ve had a comfortable life on Naboo. Of course there wouldn’t been an aunt and uncle for Luke
@@kdusel1991A Disney executive was the one that claimed Kenobi was some of Georges favorite star wars or whatever.. not a trustworthy source at all. And I highly highly doubt he likes the acolyte, he didn't like force awakens cause it was a copy and paste of his previous work, acolyte s a lazy copy and paste of his previous work but done in a way that also kind of craps on his work and adds in a bunch of illogical nonsensical stuff. The twins are basically Anakin before Anakin and exist essentially to say females were first, and George has talked about the whole girl boss trope and definitely didn't come across like a fan of it, The Jedi don't act like the Jedi George talks about, the constant switching sides from characters.. George spent multiple movies to show Anakins fall to the dark, Mae switches sides like every episode and OSHA saw Darth wang after he killed her friends and kidnapped her yesterday and she starts getting literally seduced to the darkside.. could go on and on and on.
@@shizachan8421 I wasn't arguing I was making points and they were clear so I don't see how u missed em and changed it to "I hate women" how did what I say translate to that? Way to respond without actually responding or acknowledging facts stated..
@@jacobjackson2787 Didn't saw any convincing points, it just came off as you being mad. Try harder, reach for the stars and if things don't work out immediately, just try again and see herself becoming better every attempt.
I don't think Qui-Gon was after "power" for the Jedi. I got the sense that he saw the prophecy and training Anakin as the will of the force and was following that path on a deeper spiritual level than the Jedi order typically operated under in that time.
Episode 7 titled, Choice, is what broke The Acolyte’s season the same way The Bells broke Game of Thrones once Daenerys went mad. Or you can argue when Arya killed the Night King or when Season 7 came out. Choice was supposed to be the big reveal and it left more people confused. How could the other side of a flashback episode from a flashback episode make things more confusing and that’s what Ep. 7 did. It was so bad, Grace Randolph hated it and she’s known to praise bad content and trash good ones. Sean Chandler did a ranking of every Star Wars series on Disney+ with The Mandalorian seasons being separated. His ranking is pretty close to mines. Sean Chandler’s SW on Disney+ Rankings 1. Andor Season 1 2. The Mandalorian Season 1 3. The Mandalorian Season 2 4. Ahsoka Season 1 5. Obi-Wan Kenobi 6. The Mandalorian Season 3 7. The Acolyte 8. The Book of Boba Fett Mines would be the same exact top 4, then maybe Mando S3 at 5th, Kenobi at 6th, Fett at 7th, and Acolyte at 8th. I can flip flop Mando S1 and S2. The S2 finale was incredible but I probably have rewatched S1 more. I didn’t hate Mando S3 that much to put it below Kenobi. General consensus is take the first two seasons of Mando and Andor S1, and throw the rest in the trash. The last 5 days, I’ve been pretty busy. Saw Twisters and Fly Me to the Moon last Thursday. Saw The Boys S4 finale right before Twisters played. Already seen Fly Me to the Moon four times. Such a cute movie. ScarJo has so much charisma. Then I saw the first episode of Cobra Kai S6 that same Thursday night and then I binged watched the rest of the four from 12 AM - 2 AM the other night. Wrote two long messages today about the disappointment I’m feeling with House of the Dragon S2 and how HBO is f*cking up Daemon Targaryen. I didn’t have time to check out Star Wars Meg or Generation Tech this morning. The Acolyte ended 6 days ago and it’s interesting to see so many TH-camrs still talking about it. Not from SW channels as they’re supposed to talk SW but The Fandom Menace ones. So I looked up when The Acolyte was first announced. It was actually announced from Kathleen on December 10, 2020 (Disney Investor Day). But I think the concept was already there by May 4, 2020 (SW Day). Let’s just say it’s Dec 2020 or right before that whole controversy between Pablo Hidalgo mocking SW Theory for crying when Luke showed up at the end of Mando S2. So The Acolyte has been in people’s consciousness for at least 3.5-4 years before it officially came out. From Wookieepedia - Official Description The Acolyte is a mystery-thriller that will take viewers into a galaxy of shadowy secrets and emerging dark-side powers in the final days of the High Republic era. A former Padawan reunites with her Jedi Master to investigate a series of crimes, but the forces they confront are more sinister than they ever anticipated. “I think you see more morally ambiguous characters than you've seen in other Star Wars content. And I think I can say this pretty confidently: I don't think you're going to see action in other shows the way that you see it used and utilized in our show. *I* *just* *thought* *it* *was* *very* *interesting* *to* *do* *a* *show* *about* *the* *bad* *guys* and to set that during that period made the most sense, so I think that's what sets it apart. It's kind of almost flipped. We have more Jedi than you've seen in any other of the Star Wars content. I can say this pretty confidently, I don't think you're going to see action in other shows the way that you see it utilized in our show.” - LESLYE HEADLAND That was the original concept. Leslye is even stating it. It was supposed to be a Star Wars show about the BAD GUYS. I wanted to see how the Sith operates. We’ve never seen that side before done in live action. Maybe in animated stuff. Perhaps Disney rejected that idea making the Sith the protagonists. Didn’t want to make the Jedis look evil. But then what we got, the Jedis still don’t look that evil. That Episode 7 remains so confusing to me. We’re supposed to think the Jedis are bad but they aren’t. It was supposed to clarify Episode 3 but made us more confused! Star Wars Meg with some hilarious cutaways in this video. First half feels very lighthearted. That meme with Kylo Ren and Qimir/The Stranger is hilarious! 🤣 Emo Ren is where TV Daemon Targaryen is headed. Another white male being emasculated like they did to Luke and Indiana Jones. Can’t wait to see more of Daemon’s visions while never improving his character. Men are bad! Toxic masculinity! Women are good and the righteous! Yet, two Asians guys carried The Acolyte and one of them was a murderer. The other makes one mistake and Vernestra pinned everything on him. If we got more Trinity, she would’ve helped carried the load too considering Amandla and Rebecca were not the best choices for their roles. I do respect The Acolyte for at least offering us something that’s not part of the Skywalker timeline. And the wuxia fights were pretty cool. You can only do so much with a lightsaber duel. We’ve seen them done so many times and they all will start looking the same. But with The Acolyte, they did some pretty creative stuff with the fights we’ve never seen before in Star Wars. Now I grew up on martial art movies from Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, and Jet Li, so it’s not technically new to me. But it’s new for Star Wars. The Acolyte is not the worst show ever. I’ve seen worse. And I think it remains overHATED. But it had so much potential to be awesome and it didn’t quite land right. Manny has a point. All of us do grow up and we won’t enjoy the same things as kids or maybe nostalgia holds onto us too tightly that we can’t accept change. But even if you remove the review bombing by the hate watchers, The Acolyte still wasn’t a well structured show. I do miss it a little. I miss at least talking about it. When it’s bad, the TH-camrs becomes funnier. The Acolyte’s good points - + Creative lightsaber fights + Qimir, Sol, and Indara stood out + Dafne Keen (X-23) was cool as Jecki + First to give us live action Plagueis + First live action outside the Skywalker timeline ^ Then maybe 2-3x more of bad points. Imagine if they showed Plagueis earlier? I wonder if that changes anything. Props to Dafne Keen. That little girl in Logan witnessing Logan finally die in front of her has become a hottie! I like her more than Millie Bobby Brown. A Season 2 of The Acolyte is probably unlikely but I would love to see a Qimir origin story. Star Wars series with multiple seasons - The Mandalorian Andor Ahsoka For MCU, only Loki got a second season. Everything else was a one-off and I expect The Acolyte to be the same. Lots of content this week. We got the Summer Olympics, Deadpool & Wolverine, and Comic-Con in San Diego all this week. Already read Mando & Grogu filmed a few scenes and principal photography starts in a few weeks. Cross fingers 🤞🏻for an Andor teaser to drop on SDCC this weekend.
To be fair Qui-Gon did initially try to free them both, but Watto said no. Which led to the chance cube scene. That being said, letting her out to dry afterward was a wtf decision.
I always wonder, when Oui-Gone mentions twice in the movie, "he will be balanced in the force", why didn't Yoda and Mace say, "Why do we need balance - we rule the universe already".
i thought the same by the time the season ended; i said he was quigon before there was a quigon. that's why i found it messed up they torn his legacy up making him the scapegoat.
At some point they'll need to delve into Sol's history. There needs to be an explanation of his near uncontrolable emaotions. He's more mushy than a normal adult should be.
The other part of it is that Qui-gon was a diplomatic, consular Jedi. He knew how to assess and potentially reach mutual agreement among parties, the customer service department. Meanwhile Sol was portrayed more as an investigator/explorer-type, the acquisitions department. Their core Jedi skill-sets may have been all they had in common, their personalities and motivations were clearly different.
He is also really more stereotypical Jedi Guardian. He was clearly much more skilled in lightsaber combat than the Jedi who accompanied him and also had quite a knack for martial arts. It even shows with Jecki as his Padawan, who held herself much better against the Stranger than fully trained Knights. Which was also one of the things I really liked, it makes sense why she as a Padawan was a better combatant than the older Jedi, due to her master she had good foundation and her youth allowed her to fight more unhinged and unrestrained.
@@shizachan8421 Note that both Jecki and Sol had a bit of a scream as they attacked Qimir. Just like that youngling who saw fire in her meditation, Sol certainly influenced Jecki with his underlying darkness.
@@orokusaki1243 Oh yeah, thats true as well. Didn't Dafne Keen, Jeckis actress, also confirm that Jecki did develope a crush on Osha? I don't know if this was deliberately in the script or something Keen personally decided to portray, but I think it is actually a really interesting choice. It shows how much she absorbed from Sol and how similar she is to him, developing quick and deep attachments. I also wonder if it has something to do with Oshas nature, being very powerful in the force while also being only half of a person, one that rejects her other half, that she unconsciously draws those sensitive in the force who seek connections. Like, thats totally just a headcanon of mine, but it would somewhat fit.
@@shizachan8421 No idea about celeb crushing, sounds like something Tarkin would gleefully do. But I will say that crushing on someone is more likely platonic love first and foremost. In that capacity, perhaps yes Jecki was Crushing on Osha. She looked up to her in some way and cared a lot for her. They both shared a common master, so they could just as well have been loving siblings. The Force guides, and works, in mysterious ways. Osha is a full person. Mae is a full person. The original consciousness was split to create each, and each has grown apart from that original in their own ways. They're an artificial dyad, but a dyad nonetheless, and will always attract one another through The Force.
In a way I feel like we've come full circle. Sol is warm and empathetic, but what are Obi Wan's first line in ANH? "Hello, there. Don't worry. He'll be alright." Said to a droid, no less. I feel like an ideal Jedi is someone benevolent and empathetic, in touch with their emotions but not ruled by them.
I love the parallels between the two because there is a chance that if Qui-Gon didn't die he's kind of ends up being similar to Sol while training Anakin and protecting him at all costs. On the other hand I believe he ended up dying because the jedi 100 years earlier lied about Sol and the events of the Acolyte and therefore Qui-Gon didn't have that history to learn from and know he could possibly be making a mistake and making Anakin's turn to the darkside inevitable.
It's not like Qui-Gon could predict that he will die in the end he believed in Obi-Wan Kenobi and that he could train Anakin I mean maybe in an alternate universe Qui-Gon survives his battle with dark mole and goes on the train Anakin..
13:16 - "The biggest mistake that Qui-Gon made in my opinion was just not saving Shmi not taking Anakin's mother along with them" I expect we'll see a Star Wars "What If...?" episode address this. If Shmi is rescued along with Anakin, however, that doesn't divert Palpatine from seeking to steer Anakin to the dark side. If she's not killed to create a parental void for Palpatine to fill, I think it's likely she'll still be 'fridged', just by elements of the Coruscant criminal underworld instead of Tatooine Tuskens.
Doyle, I see that how they're better suited to the other scenario is the point. It's to give us the story contrast. Watson, I see it as the Force ensuring balance by leading the galaxy to shun the Jedi who are getting too controlling.
5:00 I have a stupid question. He says Anakin has the highest Midi-Chlorian count he has seen in a life form. Does that mean inanimate objects can have an obscenely high Midi-Chlorian count as well? I guess it makes sense, but higher than Yoda and Anakin even?
I think if Qui Gon lived, he would have very quickly gone back and free'd Anakin's mother. Probably just sending a middle-man to pay whatever Watto wanted to avoid any incidents.
I'm sorry that right wing extremists are giving you death threats because of you being an inclusive and reasonable Star Wars commentator. I'm glad you have the resolve to carry on and continue your great commentary.
I do hope that after a few months the hate-bait against the Acolyte will run out of steam and people will actually give the show a fair chance. It's not perfect, there were some moments of clunky dialogue and tone whiplash that I found a bit distracting but the over-arching story was really compelling and so were the characters. Even if it might be a bit cheesy and raise a whole bunch more questions regarding canon...I really want to see Sol cameo as a Force Ghost at some point in another show. Just so we can see him give that warm smile again but with the calming ethereal blue glow that all Force ghosts have.
"...it wasn't just about the power and safety she could bring to the workplace." 🤣🤣 Oh man, I love how you just casually breeze through these jokes with no inflection--just to see if we're paying attention, I bet. 😉
It is brought to my mind that George Lucas had offered the role of Obi Wan to famed Japanese actor Toshiro Mifune. Try listening to Obi wan’s dialogue in ANH and not to hear it with iMifune’s delivery and cadence.
I thought about this in watching your last video.I think the long term vision in this (I shit you not) is that Osha and Mei die and come back as one and also a new vergeance in the forcce. Anakin Skywalker.I also think the writers are trying to write that the stranger is some Early version or prior life of Palpatine and Sol... well you know...
@15:45 OMG the subtitles changed "vergence" to "virgins" (Even if Sol was drawn towards Osha because she's a virgin, or part of a virgin, or made by a virgin) Subtitle had something unfortunate going on there
Whats interesting is that, Sol's actor's favorite starwars character is qui gon so its hardly no surprise that he would act in his likeness
Ride or die I feel like that makes so much sense. I feel bad because she’s such an important character in lore but then she’s just like I don’t know. I love her and I love you and I love them both.
@@zoebrennan799 Wait, whos she?
Qui Gon, Rael Averros, Baylan Skoll, Sol, Luthen Rael... Star Wars is creating some interesting variations around the same archetype
yeah all really strong and interesting characters, i love the new dooku stuff as well
That is simply the archetype of a proper Jedi Knight.
@@Byronic19134 More Master than Knight, aren't they?
@@GenerationTech all the new Dooku stuff is great!
@@DanielDaniel-wk1upBaylan Skoll seems much more like a traditional knight. Especially with how he uses his saber like a longsword.
I didnt know he learned English to do this character. Thats dope af, i really loved his voice in the show just how heavy his accent was but i assumed he had been speaking English for a long time. Thats incredibly impressive
His English was pretty good!
@@kdusel1991 yeah it really was, i assumed he was speaking English for most of his life just with a strong accent. I really enjoyed his accent too just the little ways he pronounced certain words was super awesome
I feel like Sol is the first Jedi to scratch the Qui Gon itch
Qui gon jitch?
@@AlechiaTheWitch Who gon jitch?
Qui Gon Itch sounds like something you need to see a gynecologist about
2:52 Side-note, but the way Sol’s yell echoes through the forest is such a nice touch. 👌 It gets me every time. So cool.
I appreciate how both Sol and Vernestra both have a sense of self-righteousness about them. Both have good intentions, but are willing to go to extreme lengths to pursue those intentions. Many critics of this portrayal have an unrealistic idea that all Jedi should be pure good.
"It matters which side we choose. Even if there will never be more light than darkness. Even if there can be no more joy in the galaxy than there is pain. For every action we undertake, for every word we speak, for every life we touch-it matters. I don’t turn toward the light because it means someday I’ll ‘win’ some sort of cosmic game. I turn toward it because it is the light."
That is just great line from Master and Apprentice, and it sums up Qui Gon very neatly.
Damn, that's a great line.
Mind if I ask who said that?
Cause i can't exactly recall knowing it.
@@Ilyena It's from Master and Apprentice by Claudia Gray
@@alejandromolina7270 Oh, you said that in the original comment. I thought that was referring to who said it. As in "great line from Master to/and Apprentice." I could have noticed that.. Doesn't matter. Thanks anyway
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
Did he actually learn or was it a throw away line to appease an apprentice
No dude this is called plagiarism.
Does it even count as plagiarism if it’s the same product? I’m defending it, I’m just actually wondering.
@@Byronic19134’s brain worms are talking for him
Amen, Praise JESUS.🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
I think one could argue that Qui Gon did succeed.(from a certain point of view) He discovered how to "Force Ghost," passed that knowledge on to Obi-Wan, who used it to help Luke destroy the Deathstar, then he was able to tell Luke about Vader and Leia, which lead to Anakin's redemption and the end of the Empire.
He learned to become a force ghost through the force priestesses. That's how Yoda learned how to do it.
One of them listened to the will of the Force. The other to his own emotions.
I bet had Sol lived, he would be very good friends with Qui Gon.
@@kdusel1991Well, Sol lived about a hundred years before Qui-Gon did, so they probably wouldn’t meet.
12:41 omg... that glass tink as Qui Gon hits the floor... 🤣
yeah, I replayed it to make sure I heard it right, lol. great comedic editing, huh?
Qui Gon was a master to us all
Man, I always appreciate your videos. You offer thoughtful discussion on Star Wars, and bring up valid criticism where you see fit without relying on the all too easy outrage clickbait stuff. Just talkin Star Wars. Fuck yeah.
And this video doesn’t disappoint. Great examination of these two Jedi. Keep em coming 🙌🏻
10:57 I think it’s worth distinguishing between the desire to help and the desire to train, Qui Gon wanted to help Anakin, but he was capable of letting go. He felt that Anakin needed to be trained because of the prophecy, but I don’t think he would have been insistent that HE had to be the one to do so.
Osha going to the dark side is why theirs no railings on the death-star.
I see what you did there, LOL
that was way funnier than it should have been
You, are a comedic genius
@@redjaypictures4528really. Comedic genius???
This show did an excellent job of depicting how even the best of intentions from an altruistic character can be misled and how the unchecked power of the Jedi led to their undoing.
Not something relevant at the moment. but i just realized that the vergence in the force was around Anakin, while the twins were just made from one. Remembering Empire strikes back and last Jedi (both the middle films interestingly enough) the dark hole we see the witch around is probably the real vergence on Brendock.
I think one of the most interesting things is that it wasn't until post Russan that the jedi stopped taking older Padawans to train. They still had an age limit to a point, but they went more off of feeling than they did a stricture of rules that they put on themselves. Much like how earlier on in the history of the jedi the path to the dark side wasn't so... Simplistic and direct. They still had the code but they used it as a guiding factor, not a set of rules.
It's only as the dark side became to them what felt like was far too powerful after the history of on and off conflicts of greater or lesser sizes with the sith or large cults that they started to clamp down. Revan for instance was not an anomaly or full problem for turning to the dark side as it stood. It was the number of Jedi that followed Them down the path that ultimately made Them such a massive threat. And at the same time he also had a strategy for what he was doing. Yes it was decimating the republic in the process, but it was an attempt at consolidating a power against a greater threat that the Jedi and Republic would not be able to handle. Neither would work with Revan after their fall however.
Emotions weren't seen as a negative for the vast majority of the Jedi's history. Keeping them in check from going to extremes was, being able to balance ones self. While using anger as a tool frowned upon greatly, and fear being something to be kept in check. Passion, love and so on were cherished. Luke's New Jedi Order in legends was much more akin to the jedi of the Old Republic. Age wasn't a factor, background wasn't a major factor, having a romantic partner wasn't frowned upon.
Qui-Gon would have fit quite well into the old ways. Sol would have as well, but he would have been noticed as a Jedi that is unbalanced and likely kept at a temple to continue learning. Whether he was granted his knighthood or not. He had good instincts, he just let them cloud his mind too much along with the inner turmoil he faced. It's interesting how the Jedi grew more rigid, their ability to see the issues within themselves became more and more difficult.
Your take on The Acolyte has made me rethink my viewing of the series. I would even go as far as to say Star Wars as a whole. Thank you for standing for The Republic. For democracy.
He learned English just to play Sol. Respect!
He did a great job with his English
Alan…. I can listen to you chat about Star Wars all night long. Thank you for posting such amazing content.
I just wanted to say thank you so much Allen!!! You do a phenomenal job AND keep it entertaining! Keep up the hard work! I always enjoy your content.
Sol may be based on Qui Gon, but he’s more like Anakin in personality. The way he gets attached to Osha makes me think of Anakin and Ahsoka. He very much feels like an older Anakin. One who’s better learned to control his emotions, but he still doesn’t have the perfect Jedi calm and can make some selfish decisions and still justify them to himself. I even think Anakin would try and emulate Qui Gon as an older man
This is one of your best videos so far. Excellent comparisons and contrasts.
Early on while watching I said the whole story is riding on Sol, and I was elated to find that was exactly the case.
He did a wonderful job as Master Sol.
Can you do the next video sitting on the roof? Or slowly spinning in the swing outside? Lol I love the changing setting and interactive environment
I love how you point out that had their position been switched, Masters Sol and Qui-Gon wouls not have failed the kids. They're both tragic flawed heroes.
Dude, outstanding analytical comparison between Sol and Qui-Gon. As you said, each was better suited for the other's situation. Sol went to Bynrdok (sp?) with the mindset of so many 18th and 19th century explorers who saw the normal customs of foreign cultures as barbaric and dangerous. He judged them by Republic Space laws and values. This is a curious oversight and might be added to the mountain of writing sins attributed to this show. Qui-Gon recognized that Republic values did not apply outside the core systems and did not try to enforce those values even though as a Jedi he'd feel that slavery was an immoral institution.
Alan, I look forward to your backgrounds in your recent videos. Thank-you for upping your game. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙋🏻♂️
lmao “so I’m just gonna say that you know Padmes a ride or die kinda chick”. you’re doing great with these videos. appreciate you sharing your real thoughts.
7:44 I'm reading up on the Prequel Books, and am reading Master and Apprentice by Claudia Gray. What's interesting with what you said here is that Yoda actually doesn't want Qui-Gon on the Council. Of the Masters who voted to put Qui Gon in the Council Seat, Yoda tells Jinn blatantly that he did not vote for him.
Bro, I started subscribing a year ago.. I totally appreciate your content... and have totally been checking out your early videos!! Keep up the great work Alan!!
Great mix at the beginning!
I rewound it 3 times!
Love this channel
What?? He didn't even know English?! Wow, what determination and intelligence to go through all that effort! But also...how does that even work? I wouldn't have thought it possible to try out for a role outside the role's language...like, he must have been even BETTER in his native language than we see him for anyone to consider taking the risk that their new star might not do a good job with a different language. That's just wild!
In one of the Dartb Vader Comics they actually show Darth Sidious manipulating Middechlorines in Shmi
yeah that comic frame is so creepy
The creator of the comic itself had to post a statement about saying it was just a dark vision a fear of Anakin itself because if he has been manipulating him all his life, could he have been since yhe begining? So it was not real
@@GenerationTech I DON'T EVEN WANT TO KNOW.
From my understanding that was a vision and Anakin was the result of the force backfiring on the attempt to create life.
@@chocomalk Yep is totally that
And both Osha and Anakin stopped someone from killing the bad guy, which would have solved everything. They both had some kind of weird "light side thoughts" at the exact wrong moment, before turning to the dark side.
Lee Jung Jae and Liam Neeson should team up for a buddy-cop movie. They can call it "Spaceballs Three, Rob Roy And Liu Bei In Space". It'll be a direct sidequel to "Spaceballs Two, The Search For More Money."
I'd imagine that had Sol lived, he'd definitely be very good friends with Qui Gon since they both seem to have the same views on the force. Also Lee Jung Jae was inspired by Qui Gon when he came up with Sol
Padme's like a bull....she sees a red flag and charges straight towards it!
"It's like poetry... it rhymes."
Workers MUST own and control the means of production.
It starts to look all the more bizarre that, knowing these stories, Yoda chose to train Luke.
He was definitely my favorite character, kimer was a close second but this dude crushed his role
Qimir and Sol carried this show on their backs.
@@kdusel1991 yeah they were both amazing in that show, for all the flaws in the show as a whole they actually made me really enjoy the show and want more. I cant wait for a season two, Hopefully they make it
#1 Generation Tech
I really enjoy your take on things here, Alan!
The one thing that hit me is why didn’t Padme freed Shmi? She was a queen after all and Anakin’s mom would’ve had a comfortable life on Naboo. Of course there wouldn’t been an aunt and uncle for Luke
In the Darth vader comics it was reveal Padme sent two people to free Shmi of slavery but she was already picked up for Cliegg
She was back on the Lars farm with Owen and Beru. If she went with Anakin she might've gotten captured by the tuskens too
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
I bet Lucas would like this show. Hell he liked the Kenobi show. I'm assuming he likes the mandalorian cuz he met Grogu
@@kdusel1991A Disney executive was the one that claimed Kenobi was some of Georges favorite star wars or whatever.. not a trustworthy source at all. And I highly highly doubt he likes the acolyte, he didn't like force awakens cause it was a copy and paste of his previous work, acolyte s a lazy copy and paste of his previous work but done in a way that also kind of craps on his work and adds in a bunch of illogical nonsensical stuff. The twins are basically Anakin before Anakin and exist essentially to say females were first, and George has talked about the whole girl boss trope and definitely didn't come across like a fan of it, The Jedi don't act like the Jedi George talks about, the constant switching sides from characters.. George spent multiple movies to show Anakins fall to the dark, Mae switches sides like every episode and OSHA saw Darth wang after he killed her friends and kidnapped her yesterday and she starts getting literally seduced to the darkside.. could go on and on and on.
@@jacobjackson2787 Ok, do you also have any argument or are you just angry at women?
@@shizachan8421 I wasn't arguing I was making points and they were clear so I don't see how u missed em and changed it to "I hate women" how did what I say translate to that? Way to respond without actually responding or acknowledging facts stated..
@@jacobjackson2787 Didn't saw any convincing points, it just came off as you being mad. Try harder, reach for the stars and if things don't work out immediately, just try again and see herself becoming better every attempt.
Sol, rest in peace and rest in peace, qui-gon.
"It's like poetry... It rhymes."
I think unlike the sequels, at least this series has a reasonably good storyline to rhyme with.
I don't think Qui-Gon was after "power" for the Jedi. I got the sense that he saw the prophecy and training Anakin as the will of the force and was following that path on a deeper spiritual level than the Jedi order typically operated under in that time.
These essays are Jedi lore & philosophy fan crack.
Honestly makes sense. Still very much love his performance c:
Bro... I love these videos! I am a deep thinker aswell, bit can't articulate my words well. Glad you can!!! 🎉
Episode 7 titled, Choice, is what broke The Acolyte’s season the same way The Bells broke Game of Thrones once Daenerys went mad. Or you can argue when Arya killed the Night King or when Season 7 came out. Choice was supposed to be the big reveal and it left more people confused. How could the other side of a flashback episode from a flashback episode make things more confusing and that’s what Ep. 7 did. It was so bad, Grace Randolph hated it and she’s known to praise bad content and trash good ones.
Sean Chandler did a ranking of every Star Wars series on Disney+ with The Mandalorian seasons being separated. His ranking is pretty close to mines.
Sean Chandler’s SW on Disney+ Rankings
1. Andor Season 1
2. The Mandalorian Season 1
3. The Mandalorian Season 2
4. Ahsoka Season 1
5. Obi-Wan Kenobi
6. The Mandalorian Season 3
7. The Acolyte
8. The Book of Boba Fett
Mines would be the same exact top 4, then maybe Mando S3 at 5th, Kenobi at 6th, Fett at 7th, and Acolyte at 8th. I can flip flop Mando S1 and S2. The S2 finale was incredible but I probably have rewatched S1 more. I didn’t hate Mando S3 that much to put it below Kenobi. General consensus is take the first two seasons of Mando and Andor S1, and throw the rest in the trash.
The last 5 days, I’ve been pretty busy. Saw Twisters and Fly Me to the Moon last Thursday. Saw The Boys S4 finale right before Twisters played. Already seen Fly Me to the Moon four times. Such a cute movie. ScarJo has so much charisma. Then I saw the first episode of Cobra Kai S6 that same Thursday night and then I binged watched the rest of the four from 12 AM - 2 AM the other night.
Wrote two long messages today about the disappointment I’m feeling with House of the Dragon S2 and how HBO is f*cking up Daemon Targaryen. I didn’t have time to check out Star Wars Meg or Generation Tech this morning. The Acolyte ended 6 days ago and it’s interesting to see so many TH-camrs still talking about it. Not from SW channels as they’re supposed to talk SW but The Fandom Menace ones.
So I looked up when The Acolyte was first announced. It was actually announced from Kathleen on December 10, 2020 (Disney Investor Day). But I think the concept was already there by May 4, 2020 (SW Day). Let’s just say it’s Dec 2020 or right before that whole controversy between Pablo Hidalgo mocking SW Theory for crying when Luke showed up at the end of Mando S2.
So The Acolyte has been in people’s consciousness for at least 3.5-4 years before it officially came out.
From Wookieepedia -
Official Description
The Acolyte is a mystery-thriller that will take viewers into a galaxy of shadowy secrets and emerging dark-side powers in the final days of the High Republic era. A former Padawan reunites with her Jedi Master to investigate a series of crimes, but the forces they confront are more sinister than they ever anticipated.
“I think you see more morally ambiguous characters than you've seen in other Star Wars content. And I think I can say this pretty confidently: I don't think you're going to see action in other shows the way that you see it used and utilized in our show. *I* *just* *thought* *it* *was* *very* *interesting* *to* *do* *a* *show* *about* *the* *bad* *guys* and to set that during that period made the most sense, so I think that's what sets it apart. It's kind of almost flipped. We have more Jedi than you've seen in any other of the Star Wars content. I can say this pretty confidently, I don't think you're going to see action in other shows the way that you see it utilized in our show.”
- LESLYE HEADLAND
That was the original concept. Leslye is even stating it. It was supposed to be a Star Wars show about the BAD GUYS. I wanted to see how the Sith operates. We’ve never seen that side before done in live action. Maybe in animated stuff.
Perhaps Disney rejected that idea making the Sith the protagonists. Didn’t want to make the Jedis look evil. But then what we got, the Jedis still don’t look that evil. That Episode 7 remains so confusing to me. We’re supposed to think the Jedis are bad but they aren’t. It was supposed to clarify Episode 3 but made us more confused!
Star Wars Meg with some hilarious cutaways in this video. First half feels very lighthearted. That meme with Kylo Ren and Qimir/The Stranger is hilarious! 🤣 Emo Ren is where TV Daemon Targaryen is headed. Another white male being emasculated like they did to Luke and Indiana Jones. Can’t wait to see more of Daemon’s visions while never improving his character.
Men are bad! Toxic masculinity! Women are good and the righteous! Yet, two Asians guys carried The Acolyte and one of them was a murderer. The other makes one mistake and Vernestra pinned everything on him. If we got more Trinity, she would’ve helped carried the load too considering Amandla and Rebecca were not the best choices for their roles.
I do respect The Acolyte for at least offering us something that’s not part of the Skywalker timeline. And the wuxia fights were pretty cool. You can only do so much with a lightsaber duel. We’ve seen them done so many times and they all will start looking the same. But with The Acolyte, they did some pretty creative stuff with the fights we’ve never seen before in Star Wars. Now I grew up on martial art movies from Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, and Jet Li, so it’s not technically new to me. But it’s new for Star Wars.
The Acolyte is not the worst show ever. I’ve seen worse. And I think it remains overHATED. But it had so much potential to be awesome and it didn’t quite land right. Manny has a point. All of us do grow up and we won’t enjoy the same things as kids or maybe nostalgia holds onto us too tightly that we can’t accept change. But even if you remove the review bombing by the hate watchers, The Acolyte still wasn’t a well structured show. I do miss it a little. I miss at least talking about it. When it’s bad, the TH-camrs becomes funnier.
The Acolyte’s good points -
+ Creative lightsaber fights
+ Qimir, Sol, and Indara stood out
+ Dafne Keen (X-23) was cool as Jecki
+ First to give us live action Plagueis
+ First live action outside the Skywalker timeline
^ Then maybe 2-3x more of bad points. Imagine if they showed Plagueis earlier? I wonder if that changes anything.
Props to Dafne Keen. That little girl in Logan witnessing Logan finally die in front of her has become a hottie! I like her more than Millie Bobby Brown. A Season 2 of The Acolyte is probably unlikely but I would love to see a Qimir origin story.
Star Wars series with multiple seasons -
The Mandalorian
Andor
Ahsoka
For MCU, only Loki got a second season. Everything else was a one-off and I expect The Acolyte to be the same.
Lots of content this week. We got the Summer Olympics, Deadpool & Wolverine, and Comic-Con in San Diego all this week. Already read Mando & Grogu filmed a few scenes and principal photography starts in a few weeks. Cross fingers 🤞🏻for an Andor teaser to drop on SDCC this weekend.
...plus the sandpeople shot at him during that Boonta Eve pod race...
To be fair Qui-Gon did initially try to free them both, but Watto said no. Which led to the chance cube scene.
That being said, letting her out to dry afterward was a wtf decision.
From the very first episode noticed the similarities between Master Sol and Qui-Gon
I'm sorry but he just quote Harry Potter there for a second? LOL XD
Great video.
I always wonder, when Oui-Gone mentions twice in the movie, "he will be balanced in the force", why didn't Yoda and Mace say, "Why do we need balance - we rule the universe already".
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
Amazing video
I never knew that prophecy seeking thing about Dooku. Thank you.🙂
i thought the same by the time the season ended; i said he was quigon before there was a quigon. that's why i found it messed up they torn his legacy up making him the scapegoat.
Now you're definitely on Nar Shaddaa. That's a nice view from your hotel room 🙂
Nice 🎶 you chose here 🧘♂
0:47 not "Stan" playing in the background😩😂 made that clip so much more sad😂
2 of my favorite Jedi. If I could pick a team the 2 of them, Plo, Snips and Anakin
At some point they'll need to delve into Sol's history. There needs to be an explanation of his near uncontrolable emaotions. He's more mushy than a normal adult should be.
The other part of it is that Qui-gon was a diplomatic, consular Jedi. He knew how to assess and potentially reach mutual agreement among parties, the customer service department. Meanwhile Sol was portrayed more as an investigator/explorer-type, the acquisitions department.
Their core Jedi skill-sets may have been all they had in common, their personalities and motivations were clearly different.
He is also really more stereotypical Jedi Guardian. He was clearly much more skilled in lightsaber combat than the Jedi who accompanied him and also had quite a knack for martial arts. It even shows with Jecki as his Padawan, who held herself much better against the Stranger than fully trained Knights. Which was also one of the things I really liked, it makes sense why she as a Padawan was a better combatant than the older Jedi, due to her master she had good foundation and her youth allowed her to fight more unhinged and unrestrained.
@@shizachan8421 Note that both Jecki and Sol had a bit of a scream as they attacked Qimir. Just like that youngling who saw fire in her meditation, Sol certainly influenced Jecki with his underlying darkness.
@@orokusaki1243 Oh yeah, thats true as well. Didn't Dafne Keen, Jeckis actress, also confirm that Jecki did develope a crush on Osha? I don't know if this was deliberately in the script or something Keen personally decided to portray, but I think it is actually a really interesting choice. It shows how much she absorbed from Sol and how similar she is to him, developing quick and deep attachments.
I also wonder if it has something to do with Oshas nature, being very powerful in the force while also being only half of a person, one that rejects her other half, that she unconsciously draws those sensitive in the force who seek connections. Like, thats totally just a headcanon of mine, but it would somewhat fit.
@@shizachan8421 No idea about celeb crushing, sounds like something Tarkin would gleefully do.
But I will say that crushing on someone is more likely platonic love first and foremost. In that capacity, perhaps yes Jecki was Crushing on Osha. She looked up to her in some way and cared a lot for her. They both shared a common master, so they could just as well have been loving siblings.
The Force guides, and works, in mysterious ways.
Osha is a full person. Mae is a full person. The original consciousness was split to create each, and each has grown apart from that original in their own ways. They're an artificial dyad, but a dyad nonetheless, and will always attract one another through The Force.
Thanks Alan👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
In a way I feel like we've come full circle. Sol is warm and empathetic, but what are Obi Wan's first line in ANH? "Hello, there. Don't worry. He'll be alright." Said to a droid, no less. I feel like an ideal Jedi is someone benevolent and empathetic, in touch with their emotions but not ruled by them.
15:48 the tie in of Star Wars and World of Warcraft. Wait for it...
A fresh video!
Been some interesting characters in Star Wars lately, though.
The last words that man ever heard was "Stop Talking."
Oof.
I love the parallels between the two because there is a chance that if Qui-Gon didn't die he's kind of ends up being similar to Sol while training Anakin and protecting him at all costs. On the other hand I believe he ended up dying because the jedi 100 years earlier lied about Sol and the events of the Acolyte and therefore Qui-Gon didn't have that history to learn from and know he could possibly be making a mistake and making Anakin's turn to the darkside inevitable.
I would have been honored to be Master Sol's padawan
I honestly think if Sol came clean to Osha, he wouldn't have died and Osha would have become a Jedi
It's not like Qui-Gon could predict that he will die in the end he believed in Obi-Wan Kenobi and that he could train Anakin I mean maybe in an alternate universe Qui-Gon survives his battle with dark mole and goes on the train Anakin..
13:16 - "The biggest mistake that Qui-Gon made in my opinion was just not saving Shmi not taking Anakin's mother along with them"
I expect we'll see a Star Wars "What If...?" episode address this. If Shmi is rescued along with Anakin, however, that doesn't divert Palpatine from seeking to steer Anakin to the dark side. If she's not killed to create a parental void for Palpatine to fill, I think it's likely she'll still be 'fridged', just by elements of the Coruscant criminal underworld instead of Tatooine Tuskens.
Doyle, I see that how they're better suited to the other scenario is the point. It's to give us the story contrast.
Watson, I see it as the Force ensuring balance by leading the galaxy to shun the Jedi who are getting too controlling.
That thumbnail is so accurate lol
Were the Jedi ever noble, detached, honorable warriors?
Sol would likely have been the kind farther, Anakin never had and never would get but it sounds like a nice "what if" thought experiment.
5:00 I have a stupid question. He says Anakin has the highest Midi-Chlorian count he has seen in a life form. Does that mean inanimate objects can have an obscenely high Midi-Chlorian count as well? I guess it makes sense, but higher than Yoda and Anakin even?
I think if Qui Gon lived, he would have very quickly gone back and free'd Anakin's mother. Probably just sending a middle-man to pay whatever Watto wanted to avoid any incidents.
I'm sorry that right wing extremists are giving you death threats because of you being an inclusive and reasonable Star Wars commentator.
I'm glad you have the resolve to carry on and continue your great commentary.
I do hope that after a few months the hate-bait against the Acolyte will run out of steam and people will actually give the show a fair chance. It's not perfect, there were some moments of clunky dialogue and tone whiplash that I found a bit distracting but the over-arching story was really compelling and so were the characters.
Even if it might be a bit cheesy and raise a whole bunch more questions regarding canon...I really want to see Sol cameo as a Force Ghost at some point in another show. Just so we can see him give that warm smile again but with the calming ethereal blue glow that all Force ghosts have.
"...it wasn't just about the power and safety she could bring to the workplace." 🤣🤣 Oh man, I love how you just casually breeze through these jokes with no inflection--just to see if we're paying attention, I bet. 😉
I watched Squid game in English dub so I totally forgot he speaks Korean in real life
I think you inadvertently showed how much was "borrowed" from the phantom menace. The parallels are stinking.
When it comes to the tuskens I think everyone is prejudiced against them until BoBF
Qui-Gon -Jinn- Jae
It is brought to my mind that George Lucas had offered the role of Obi Wan to famed Japanese actor Toshiro Mifune.
Try listening to Obi wan’s dialogue in ANH and not to hear it with iMifune’s delivery and cadence.
I wonder if a vergence in the Force is the same as the tears in the Force portrayed in Jedi: Survivor.
I thought about this in watching your last video.I think the long term vision in this (I shit you not) is that Osha and Mei die and come back as one and also a new vergeance in the forcce. Anakin Skywalker.I also think the writers are trying to write that the stranger is some Early version or prior life of Palpatine and Sol... well you know...
@15:45 OMG the subtitles changed "vergence" to "virgins" (Even if Sol was drawn towards Osha because she's a virgin, or part of a virgin, or made by a virgin) Subtitle had something unfortunate going on there
When it came to the head chip blowing up part, I thought you would use Mark Hamill...🤯
Oh right I forgot he had a scene