@@jgpastorabecause some of these fool TH-camrs didn't break it in before they reviewed it. You never take a gun out the box and go shoot it without cleaning and lubing, breaking in the magazines, etc...
Yeah, if he gets a BG 2.0 and compares them side-by-side and shoots them (especially if he puts a hogue grip on the BG), I think he'll change his mind. I do love my MAX ELITE, but it's rickety and janky compared to the BG2.
@@jedcoupland8587 have the Max Elite as well and just got the BG 2.0 and you’re 💯 correct - The new BG 2.0 is leaps and bounds better than the Max Elite.
The cost of a new LCP Max, a higher capacity extended magazine, upgraded trigger shoe w/springs, upgraded take-down pin, aftermarket sights, and a better recoil spring and guide rod adds up to well over $500. I'm a 15 year gunsmith and a 23 year design engineer. I had the opportunity to put my hands on a brand new LCP Max and evaluate it in great detail. The recoil spring seat is in fact made of aluminum. This is a big NO NO. It's also a way to cut down on material cost. I venture to say they went cheap on this particular component due to the lower pressures produced by the .380 cartridge. The factory sights that come on a LCP Max are not regulated. This is why MANY owners complain of shots hitting low. The LCP Max has a black oxide finish because it's a very cost effective (cheap) finishing process. Black oxide treatments require an after-finish treatment of oil, wax, or paint in order to be effective. This is why many LCP Max owners complain of rust quickly forming on their pistols. It's a cheaply made pocket gun that relies on quantity rather than quality. The S&W Bodyguard 2.0 is superior in many ways. The Armornite finish is both internal and external. It changes (for the better) the metal's properties and is MUCH MUCH more durable than black oxide treatments. The striker fire mechanism is a very well proven system. The grip angle and rear tang allow for the hand to get high and tight up into the pistol. S&W actually designed the sights to be fast acquisition with combat accuracy and they're properly regulated. The brand new facility in which the Bodyguard 2.0 is made has all brand new machinery and tooling with impressive quality control protocols. S&W put in a very significant investment to bring their new .380 to market and they'll probably sell a ton of them. I am not brand loyal. If it's good, it's good. If it's bad, it's bad. The Bodyguard 2.0 is vastly superior to the LCP Max in all facets.
Yeah, I love my LCP MAX ELITE, but it comes with one mag, and I bought a Galloway recoil spring, then an MCarbo recoil rod, Spring Kit, Trigger...it's great, but the mag-bases rattle, and I have friends whose guns drop mags while shooting (my first one did, but not the Elite). But mine has been reliable. That said, I don't like anything about it better than the BG 2.0 except maybe the mag-release doesn't stick out as much, and the rear sight notch isn't too wide (but the front sight is a little wide for the size of the rear). The BG 2.0 is just comically thin and shoots so flat and soft.
@@JustinD-n5k ah yes, I always take my manufacturing advice from random guys on TH-cam. Maybe you should see if Ruger will hire you since you seem to know more than their engineers? LoL Thanks for your comment. I’m sure the S&W is a great gun. The point of this video was to highlight that if you already have an LCP (which a ton of people do), there’s no need to run straight out and upgrade. Thanks for watching :-)
I have the Max and shot my new 2.0 today. The 2.0 is superior in everyway to the Max. My Max will now sit in the safe. You're doing nothing but rambling on when you havent even shot the 2.0.
@@OOnti-dz4jd i saw $399 retail when they first came out. i saw some for sale online for $350 but are now sold out. ill probably wait a year and try to get one around $300 or less.
I think you proved the point that the LCP Max is jank. I carried one for a year or so, and you better believe i picked up the first Bodyguard 2.0 that I could find.
So I have the Ruger Max with all the MCarbo springs and trigger, and it shoots fantastic. I also bought the Bodyguard 2,0 and took both to the range for comparison. After firing only 54 rounds through the Bodyguard 2.0, I had 4 light strikes, where it left a dimple on the primer, and never fired. The first time this happened, I placed the round back in the mag and it fired. The second time this happened, it took 3 tries to cook it off. I let my friend try it, and on his eighth round, it didn't fire. I placed the unfired round in the Ruger Max, and it fired. Taking the gun home, I cleaned it and placed a .380 laser training cartridge in the Bodyguard 2.0 and it never activated the laser cartridge. Thinking maybe the batteries were dead, I placed it in the Max and it worked as it should. I then extended the firing pin out of the slide of the 2.0, then out of the Max, and it appeared to me there was more firing pin showing out of the Max than the 2.0. The Bodyguard is now in Springfield Mass with a 6-8 week turn around for my failure to fire/light strike issues. The Ruger Max with the MCarbo upgrades eats everything that goes through it. I'll have to see how SW deals with my issue.
I’ll have to agree with the other comments. I purchased the bodyguard couple days ago and was able to go out and shoot it today. It is by far a superior weapon to the LCP max. The trigger is better. It shoots much flatter and it has much less recoil. All the things that they are saying about is completely true. One more thing is you don’t need to buy a bunch of accessories to make the new bodyguard shoot better. The grip is already amazing. It comes with two magazines one 10 and one 12 round and a really good trigger. So you don’t need to modify it to make it a better shooting gun. Just pay your 400 bananas and move on.
I've have been on the fence about the Ruger LCP Max for over a year now, hold onto it every time I am at the tool store, it just always felt off to me. The other day, I picked up the S&W Bodyguard 2.0.... No comparision, I ordered the Bodyguard.👍
got an early max kept it completely stock, most carried gun, recoil is very manageable, dependable totally reliable no need to replace it with the newest greatest whatever .
Love my LCP MAX!! This has been my edc for the most part since i purchased it over a year ago. It shot great out of the box nice and smooth and for me very accurate, and I love how small it is. I put 200 rounds thru my LCP Max right out of the box at my first range day and now I have approx 400 rounds or so thru it with no issues at all w/various types of ammo and I just love this gun!!!!!!!!, I don't carry guns on me unless I put 200 rounds thru them. It came with the Hogue grip already on it except my Hogue grip is different from yours my has the nub in the center and it fits my hand like a glove. I put Galloway Precisions $30 flat trigger on it and their outer recoil spring for $10 and now it shoots even more smoother. I like the bigger trigger guard on the LCP Max, makes it very easy to get my fingers in there w/o any issues when wearing gloves, especially my thick motorcycle gloves. I saw the comparison between the SW BG 2.0 and the LCP Max and the SW is significantly larger in size and the SW BG trigger guard is smaller then the LCP Max which makes a big difference for me when it comes to concealed carry. The Ruger LCP Max is a terrific choice plus its alot less expensive you can pick one up for in the mid $200 range. I'll stick with my LCP Max, if I do choose to buy the SW BG 2.0 380 it'll be to have another pocket rocket gun or another placement gun in 380. U can't go wrong with either the LCP Max or the SW BG 2.0. Hell buy them both if u have the cash, carry one in the pocket and one on your side. Thanks for clarifying and giving some love to a great gun my friend stay safe out there and ignore all the haters.
I have both. One thing I hear a lot of people saying is that the MAX feels cheap. That's nonsense. The one thing that makes it feel cheap is that twang you get when you dry fire it. I think the stock LCP Max sights are better than the BG 2.0 sights. Also, the trigger safety on the BG 2.0 seems flimsy. Hopefully, there will be a 3rd party solution. Where the BG 2.0 shines is how it fits in your hand. You get a better grip and the gun is more controllable. Honestly, the BG 2.0 does feel slightly better made, but only marginally. Oh, I do have the Galloway Precision short stroke trigger, Talon grips, and MCarbo stainless steel guide rod on my LCP Max. Those upgrades cost around $50, so the prices are really close. But, you have to buy a 12 round mag for the MAX. The BG 2.0 comes with one. The main reason I bought the BG 2.0 is that it you can get it with a thumb safety. I have a tough time pocket carrying with a round chambered when there is no thumb safety. All said though, my MAX is sweet. Love it.
I bought a bodyguard 2.0 today and it was well worth it. The ergonomics are so much better for controlling recoil. You are able to hold it up higher and you have a longer grip for larger hands. Small guns in general are snappy and the bodyguard 2.0 is a gamechanger. On the other hand, the Ruger LCP max has a bulky slide that keep your grip hold lower which makes the pivot point lower, hence more recoil.
I’m trading mine in because I’ve had three LCP Max’s experience catastrophic failure below 1000 rounds. The problem is inherent in the design - the recoil spring seat is (poorly, inconsistently) machined out of aluminum, and at high round counts it will cave in, leading to the recoil spring sitting inside the trigger mechanism. This is an extremely dangerous firearm and I’m surprised a recall hasn’t been issued. And to clarify, I’ve had this exact failure three times, each time has required a complete replacement, so another transfer fee, waiting period, etc. I’ve had it happen on bone stock, and fully Mcarbo’d out ones - no matter what, they’re ticking time bombs and cannot match the longevity of a pistol like the Bodyguard 2.0 simply because it has a steel takedown lever, which is where the recoil spring seats.
@@HibsLX for sure! I really wanted to like mine, I have tons of holsters, magazines, I’ve installed every upgrade they make - I’ve shot classes and competitions with them, and they just can’t handle the abuse that I think is necessary to vet a carry gun and train with it. Also, the final replacement they sent me has a recoil lug seat at least 2mm thicker than the previous two guns, so they’re either aware of it or their QC and milling is just all over the place. It’s really unfortunate because I love the damn thing, and I do agree with you that there’s minimal return in upgrading if you already have one, but that’s argument is made assuming that the guns themselves are safe.
@@HibsLX Not a lot of people, but it's somewhat common in CCW matches because it's got decent enough capacity compared to G43s, P365s, etc. Definitely not in sanctioned matches, that's for sure lol
Hibs, I do have ALL THE MCARBO UPGRADES AVAILABLE FOR THE MAX, and it shoots fantastic. Can’t wait to test the Bodyguard to compare. Will let you know.
I'll stick with my MAX, thank you. Sure, the Bodyguard might shoot a bit better and might also be more comfortable (unmodified) to shoot, but I pocket-carry my MAX. I can see where the extended beaver tail on the Bodyguard might cause hang ups. I prefer the smooth and curvy profile of the MAX. What do you think.
I sold my LCP Max the day the BG2 was released and thankfully found a BG2 a couple days later. Zero regrets. I hated shooting the LCP Max, the BG2 is a dream to shoot (right out of the box) and carry. This isn’t just needing to have the latest and greatest, the BG2 is a significant upgrade over the LCP Max.
You do a disservice to people by swaying them away from purchasing this gun. I carried the original Ruger LCP for a while and then upgraded to the LCP II and then the LCP Max. I really like the Max, but I've always had a problem with the snap and the short grip. I got a Bodyguard 2.0 last week, and saw the light. It feels absolutely perfect in my hand, something no LCP could ever claim to do. Also, it is quite shootable. Very comfortable and accurate with low recoil and muzzle rise. I've gone from 10" groups at 7yds with my LCP Max to 4" groups with my Bodyguard 2.0. It's like comparing Porsche and Pontiac. One thing I do like better about the LCP Max is the ease of loading the magazines. The Bodyguard's are tough to top off, even with a loader. Supposedly that abates with use, but we'll see.
These two don't compare.. Unless you just love your LCP Max, I say get the new Bodyguard 2.0. If I could get one, I would have done it yesterday! Problem is, being in MD, I have to wait till the new gun gets listed on MD's handgun roster. Until then, no one in MD will be able to purchase one.
I would actually agree with this, if not for my LCP Max having a failure to fire on the first round in a simulated defensive use scenario (straight out of my pocket at the range). The Bodyguard is simply a much higher quality tool. I loved the Max and probably shot it better than the Bodyguard tbh, but I trust the S&W way more than the Ruger (lots of dust collects in that internal hammer area on the Ruger). Fit and finish is far and away superior on the S&W. The Max honestly just feels like a cheap toy compared to the S&W. I encourage anyone who regularly pocket carries the Max to upgrade.
How much did you spend on your Frankenstein LCP max? You’re going on and on about all the changes you made to make the max, a better max; but is it better than the BG2? I had the original BG (6+1), then I bought the max because of the 12+1 capacity. They both shot like shit, but the max allowed me 6 xtra chances to hit my target. Yesterday I picked up my BG2, haven’t shot it yet; but it feels great in my hand compared to the other two. My hand guns are for my protection, and I upgrade when I find something that will possibly increase my chances of survival against a threat and decrease the chances of shooting an innocent bystander. The original BG and LCP max are better than nothing. I’m a 62 yr old retired veteran with above average accuracy. This is your life we’re talking about, and you’re willing to carry a subpar pistol when there maybe something better; ?. I’m taking my BG2 to the range this weekend, will give you an honest comparison review of the two. I paid $425 for my BG2 and they gave me 20 rounds of defense ammo. I’m really curious as to the price total of your upgrades.
Issues with mine thus far. Racking 12 round into chamber, it doesn't feed into chamber. Gets stuck. Lock slide back. Pull out magazine. Bullet flies out of ejection port across the room. Racking into chamber manually doesn't work with 12 round mag. Have to rack fast and hard with 10 round to avoid this problem. Also dry firing, sometimes trigger pull hits sticky point. Going to copy paste this in other 2.0 videos
The 12 round mags work for me but I agree I have to rack fast and hard. I did polish the feed ramp. I had to do that to get defensive rounds to load reliably.
Had the Max for 3yrs now. Completely reliable stock. Got a 2.0 coming in Mon. I like the lower bore axis compared to the Max and fit s my hand better though both feel good. Based on my research on the 2.0 vs the max cant go wrong with either. Will put the 2.0 in rotation after breaking her in at the range. Both will be my New York reloads to my G48 with the S15 mag upgrade.
When the Bodyguard 2.0 came out I was contemplating getting one, even though I have an LCP2. It did inspire me to go buy a case of now much cheaper 380 ammo for it. But I feel more confident carrying my more reliable & powerful P365, so I mostly carry that. And it's a good shooter.
I have both now. The bodyguard 2.0 is so much better than the Ruger that the Ruger should not exist anymore other than for those on a tight budget because it’s cheaper. The 2.0 is wildly more ergonomic and more pleasant to shoot.
I have the 75th anniv LCP Max. The 75th anniv model typically sells for around $100 less than the standard LCP Max. The slide is polished stainless steel (not aluminum) and has sharper slide serrations allowing a much better purchase on the slide when racking. The trigger is silver aluminum similar to the red aluminum trigger found on the LCP Max Elite. I upgraded to the Galloway Precision 13lb recoil spring and the MCarbo heavy duty take down pin and stainless recoil spring guide. That said, I'll still be buying a new S&W Bodyguard 2.0.
I have been EDC the LCP Max but had to upgrade it with the Sigurd trigger, a 13-pound spring, and a steel guide rod to make shooting comfortable. The upgrades added $130 to the original cost. I will check out the BG 2.0.
I own the LCPmax in the beginning I had some hollowpoint issues, I sent it back to Ruger they replaced the barrel and it’s been working excellent since, so far about 900plus rounds, now for the upgrades I replaced the front sight, and the takedown pin. Not speaking for anyone else, but my experience with it has been great. Guys social media will try to sell over priced ice cubes to an Eskimo if there is nothing wrong with your firearm then don’t replace parts. Trust me once all the hype on the BG 2.0 is done these same YTbers that are telling it’s great next week will tell you it sucks and you need money for upgrades.
@dominysynclair yep, I own one. Academy has them in stock now as well. Not sure why people are buying a pocket carry gun with less than a 5lb trigger without a safety but I made sure to get mine with thumb safety
my cousin bought the new ford ranger when it came out the damn thing caught fire in the first few months of having it....almost caught the house on fire melted the siding...dont buy brand new cars or guns its your life and family at risk
Do you have a S&W bodyguard 2.0? What kind of recommendation is this. You are plugging the Ruger LCP max that is heavily modified. I have a Keltec PMR-30. When I bought it was a jammo matic. I did all the M-Carbo upgrades and it shoots great, like concealed great. If I want another winter time project gun, I will buy a LCP.
@@baseball373 you clearly didn’t listen to the first minute of my video. I’m sure the S&W is a great pistol. But for something designed to shoot a target at 3 yards, there is no need to drop $400-500 to upgrade over your current pocket pistol.
I have Ruger Max 9 and LCP Max, and both had springs dislodge and failed to fire?????? I think the springs should be captured better after looking at them.
While I love my lcp max got my new bodygaurd yesterday and let me tell you from my experience.....my lcp max has Santiago short stroke trigger and hammer spring kit and upgraded recoil spring now that made the lcp fantastic.....and then I shot the bodygaurd 2.0 and now I'll be at gun show those weekend selling my lcp .....it's that much better imo
For people with arthritis. Bodyguard 2 is very tough to rack. It has a very stiff recoil spring. It feels good in the hand though. I already have the Glock 42 and Sig 365 .380 so no real reason to buy this one as speaker said.
Imma have to say negative on this. Bought the max yesterday, not knowing the bodyguard 2.0 was a thing, I watched at least 5 videos on pocket pistols and LCP max was the only one that had a 10rd mag (let alone a 12). (Side note, when I loaded the mags they were very stiff, expected, but when I put them in and racked the slide, it was catching the barrel, when releasing the slide I’d have to give it a push forward to be able to shoot) Now these videos must have been 3+ months old because after I bought it and was otw to my range I happen to find 2 videos within this month (end of August 24’) stating the new bodyguard 2.0 is the cremè de le cremè of pocket pistols. Same capacity (10+1 making it second of the pocket pistols apparently) but comes w a secondary 12rd. So they don’t make you buy a $30+ 12rd. after. Videos also stated less recoil felt, better ergonomics and not a hammer fired. Needless to say I was debating my purchase already. To make matters worse I got to the range and saw they have both the Max and the BG 2.0 for rental. I walked into the range a loaded 5rd mags until I put 100 through the LCP Max. Even w the 5 the slide would catch if I was racking by hand. If I hit the slide release it was fine. I then decided to rent the BG 2.0 put 5 shots through that and immediately regretted my purchase. Looking to sell my LCP Max. But after I send this I’m putting in a buy order for the 2.0, it’s just that much better all around.
I have the $400 blue titanium LCP MAX with $100 springs and trigger, $100 if 12rd mags, and Hogue grip. Tuned LCP MAX is over $600!!! and I still have to change front sight 😮 that's what I paid for p365-380. Picked up BG 2.0 last night for $399.... Counting 80x, I've got all 4 to joust
My main question is have you shot the bodyguard 2.0. The next question is why would you carry a Ruger max as your ccw. I get if you have one to upgrade did that with mcarbo and Galloway precision still not that good. If you would like a better alternative for Ruger and stay in 380 go with security 380. As far as the bodyguard vs the max that’s not even in the same category. The max is just one step above a sccy on a good day.
I held a Max yesterday for the first time and though I prefer a 3 finger grip liked the way it fit my hand...If your a new buyer the bodyguard may have the features that avoid the upgrade cost
At the time I bought my LCP Max it was about 350+, Just bought the S&W 2.0 for 429. So, that said if I was to add the upgrades price would be about the same. Have you tried the Bodyguard??????. Shoots much flatter. Fits my hand much better and does not hurt my finger. Ruger put out a great little gun But Smith and Wesson did it better. Don't know how many times I have had to deal with the rust issue on my Max. Never had an Issue with my Bodyguard 9mm 2.0. I only have about 150 rounds through the S&W so far and I was shooting it along side the Max. Seen a lot of issues on various guns when people start adding after market parts. LCP Max is very good for it's price range but for 100 extra the Bodyguard 380 2.0 is better. And by the way I do consistently shoot at much more than 3 yards... neither gun is a 3 yard gun
Got the max not long ago....wish I knew the BG was coming out, especially as a shield owner. ahhhh. Max gets the job done so not going to run out to upgrade but when the BG 2.0 gets cheap and there is a rebate sure I won't be able to resist. My Max also shoots low so thanks for the sight info! cheers!
I did the same thing about 8 months ago to my lcp max, they now have model specific hogue grip , I used the 18400 model before it was avail and it has the extra girth and padding at the dovetail ( I boiled some water in microwave and then let the grip sit in for few minutes then just worked it on) , it was my first attempt at gun smiting and took a bit but was successful wiht help of the videos stopped and starting. I also added the Pearce pinky extensor on my 10 round mags ( zero change to concealability ) but that plus the hogue my hand fits perfectly .. I also added the galloway mag realize spring to decrease the chance of mag releasing during shooting ( happened initially more from lack of experience as new shooter) bit now the mag is secure and really snaps in . th rocket locker from vedder is my go to and now it has adjustable retention and worth the thumb ext and curved bottom it is perfect and disengages in pocket by just pushing off not having to pull out with tongue thing against pocket . I think all in on the mods less then 150 all in . was able to shoot my buddies lcp max all orig back to back after I did the changes and it was a world of diff and so much so that my buddy said I don't want to shoot mine again until you do the same to mine ... done in half the time as learning curve lol .. I am sure the new bodyguard is a major step forward as all new firearms are , but with what I have invested and the 8 extra mags I have for the range days to shoot more rounds in less time so I can concentrate on technique more than reloading . plus I am in a 10 round state so they are not avail yet , I also only carry my 380 in the rare days of the summer when it is hot and humid otherwise I carry AIWB micro 9's . with all that said if I were to start out and purchase it would prob be the newest and shiny bodyguard but since im invested and love my ruger now like you do, I will keep for a bit as there are other minor 9 im trying to secure and one im waiting for to come out.. great review and glad im not alone with my positive impressions of the mcarbo and other goodies
What do you have to buy to stop? The l c p max from blowing back pressure in your eyes every time it ejects the round i had an lcp max and i sold it because it killed my eyes with blow back pressure
I have the LCPMax and the Mcarbo upgrades also. No way am I Not getting the 2.0 M&P. I carry the P365 and Shield plus. Looks like the 2.0 is a great addition.
This guy is giving a review on a gun he has not shot. The SW Body guard 2.0 will get upgrades sooner or later also. Talk is the Bodyguard is a better gun. Dont listen to what this guy is saying. The upgrades for the LCP Max are expensive. Guys and gals check out the new Smith and Wesson Bodyguard, and make your own decision.
You did so many upgrades to make this better it is not apples to apples. I have had the max a while. Removed rust off it several time. it requires a daily wipe down. Also have the bodyguard 2.0 and had the original. The fit and finish is 100% better. Bore axis allows a much better grip. Advising people to add aftermarket parts to improve this and possibly cause issues is bad info. With upgrades this is still a loose pistol with a poor finish and tolerances. It filled a niche. Ruger will drop the price to keep them selling. It is not on the same level. I am not a S&W fanboi. They destroyed a revolver I sent in for repair by cracking the frame. I just call it as I see it from experience. Ruger also replaces my magazines and slide and barrel on the max because of issues. I have had issues with both companies. QC is at a all time low with everything.
i bought two the LCP2 when they first came out and two LCP MAX when it came out. I picked up two Bodyguards 2.0. one with the safety and one without. The Bodyguard 2.0 blows the others away. While I do not sell guns after I buy them, I can't see myself carrying the others any longer. the Ruger's have always shot great but the BG 2.0 shoots just as good but the carryability is so much better imho.
Its new, looks good, and costs $100 more today...If looking for a pocket carry its a matter of cost and vanity...if you plan a trigger or sight replacement then the cost is equal
I have an LCP II and just got the BG 2.0 a couple of days ago. Whole other level. Doesn't rattle, ergos are excellent, comes with 2 mags. I actually can't believe its basically the exact same size as the LCP because it feels so much better in the hand. Can get all 3 fingers on the grip with 10 round mag. I actually didn't realize how bad the LCP ergos were till I held theBG 2.0. I only have a few mags through mine but no malfunctions so far. Sorry bro but BG 2.0 is the new king. LCP has been dethroned. Its enough difference that I'd recommend selling/trading an LCP for a BG 2.0.
I had an LCP Max and I have a Boyguard 1.0 and 2.0 amongst several other 380 pocket pistols. Objectively the Bodyguard is vastly superior to the Rugers. Better in every way, especially reliability, trigger, grip size, and accuracy.
Have the LCP Max, Glock 42 and now the 2.0... The 42 was my fav pocket carry but the 2.0 is by far one of the best 380 I have shot, which is saying a lot considering I couldn't stand the MP shield 9MM or the bodyguard. So I wasn't a fan of SW for sometime!
The grip on the LCP Max is terrible and the gun itself looks /feels clunky. Just bought the new Smith & Wesson 2.0 bodyguard it's a very functional right out of the box. Great little 380!
I don’t wanna understand how people buy guns as soon as they get released. I like to wait a little bit just to see what’s the feedback and if any issues come up! Look at the sig that was going off on its own! I’ll wait a year or so. I got my hellcat 2 years after it got released.
Whole point is missed. 2.0 has a maual safety option and the'll sell 80% with that option.I have the 2.0 and the Max but my wife wouldn't carry without a safety. The 2.0 Is better quality, shoots more accurate, less recoil and feels better in hand and the trigger is better. Before telling people to replce sights,trigger,springs exc. Go shoot a bodyguard so you can make an actual judgement before telling them to replace half the junk parts on the ruger. Wife loves her new MS 2.0 . Bad advice to pan a product you have no real knowledge of.
Based on specs and usability I'd take the BG 2.0 for sure as long as it is reliable....oh wait I just ordered one last night! lol SW has been knocking it out of the park with there recent releases! I have also had great customer service with SW in the past.
Confused is there gonna be a second video on what’s wrong with the Bodyguard and why we shouldn’t buy the bodyguard? I mean at the shop I work at the Max is $40 less than the Bosyguard so with your $100 of upgrades I’d pay $60 more for the Max. I really would suggest if your gonna title something DON’T BUY then have the item whatever it is in question and explain its flaws that make it a DON’T BUY.
His upgrades cost much more than $100. It is $97 for the internal upgrades that may do anything to affect the felt recoil. The grip sleeve helps too for about $15. The other parts are not needed and the firearm will likely wear out before the other original parts he installed would wear out.
The slide to frame fit on the LCP Max is horrendous. Mine rattles worse than a baby rattle. It’s the most loosey goosey gun I’ve ever seen. I’m very afraid that the base plate on my ten round mag is going to fall apart. It just feels like a cheaply made gun. I’m still carrying my G42
Aww. It'll be ok. Save up your change and join the rest of us when you can. But dont lie to ppl, like the ruger is in any way on the level of the bodyguard 2.0
So the purpose of this video is, "You don't need to buy a 2.0 if you already have a MAX." That is like saying that someone doesn't need to upgrade to a 1911 if they already have a Highpoint .45. Son, it's the Bill of Rights, not the Bill of Needs. Why are you making it out like it's an either/or situation? It's not like they're big investments. They're both relatively cheap. Do they accomplish the same task? Of course. But that doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't have both. Personally, I wouldn't waste my money on a Ruger. I would get something higher quality like a Taurus, SCCY, or a Bersa if I could only have 1.
After reading the comments, this video seems to be aging like warm milk. Especially after the OP responds in one of the comments that he is probably going to buy a BG2.0
@@wittech6116 if you listened in the first minute I said this video wasn’t about the Bodyguard. It’s about not going out and buying the newest shiny object. You realize the manufactures do this on purpose right? Strategically stage new models with small variances to get you to constantly spend your dime to upgrade. Just wait, 6 months from now there will be a bodyguard in FDE, then one factory ported, then one with a red dot, etc
@@HibsLX except the bodyguard 2.0 is not an incremental step forward. This is a complete redesign of the bodyguard. Will the release incremental “upgrades” to the 2.0 like you suggest, of course. But your premise is predicated by your title of “DON’T BUY!!” You are creating this idea based on a complete lack of information. How can you tell people not to buy something when you apparently don’t own or haven’t even shot the product to which you are claiming people shouldn’t buy?
@@wittech6116 the point of the video is there is no need to buy a BG2.0 if you already own a LCP MAX. Everyone talking about “it’s so much better” doesn’t even own one yet either, they just eat all the sponsored videos online. Go to Reddit and see the numerous posts of BG2.0s choking already. And really… “so much better” for a 3 yard point shooting gun? If I want better, I’ll carry an actual 9mm.
The LCP MAX is a great little pistol. The MCARBO parts truly are high quality and I always say MCARBO makes good guns better. I think people that buy the S&W Bodyguard 2.0 will be purchasing it for a couple different reasons such as ergos (everyone's hands are different) Looks (It looks like a S&W Shield/M&P), the standard grip gives just a little more front strap length than the LCP MAX and the length of the trigger stroke appears to be shorter on the S&W. All of that being said if you already have and shoot the LCP MAX well there's probably not a reason to buy the S&W. I've never liked the look or feel of the LCP MAX and I have the old LCPII so I'm going to look at the S&W and see how it fits me
LCP max is not even close to being the same gun. You shouldn’t have to upgrade a gun to match another. Also shoot ability is much better with Bodyguard 2.0. Overall the BG 2.0 is a much better firearm. Also you have spent around 600 bucks on a crap gun. By the way I own both and the 2.0 is night and day. No upgrading needed. 80x Cheetah is also a much better option.
meh, I have both and the S&W 2.0 is thiner, has a better trigger, better texture and fits nicely in my hand. It is $399 (higher some places) I also own the OG 380 Bodyguard…super small and super shitty trigger and safety…so worth the upgrade there. I have the Hogue on my BG1, Ruger but not my BG2… there are also no (few) holsters for the BG2….no holster thing sucks but they will come. I do not pocket carry without a holster…not looking to blow my pee pee off.
I can appreciate you liking the Max, but the new BG 2.0 is on a whole new level.
@@jsimpson4 it looks good!
Looks good feels good but I saw it jamming and the mag not sliding out on its own when ejected
@@jgpastorabecause some of these fool TH-camrs didn't break it in before they reviewed it.
You never take a gun out the box and go shoot it without cleaning and lubing, breaking in the magazines, etc...
Yeah, if he gets a BG 2.0 and compares them side-by-side and shoots them (especially if he puts a hogue grip on the BG), I think he'll change his mind. I do love my MAX ELITE, but it's rickety and janky compared to the BG2.
@@jedcoupland8587 have the Max Elite as well and just got the BG 2.0 and you’re 💯 correct - The new BG 2.0 is leaps and bounds better than the Max Elite.
The cost of a new LCP Max, a higher capacity extended magazine, upgraded trigger shoe w/springs, upgraded take-down pin, aftermarket sights, and a better recoil spring and guide rod adds up to well over $500. I'm a 15 year gunsmith and a 23 year design engineer. I had the opportunity to put my hands on a brand new LCP Max and evaluate it in great detail.
The recoil spring seat is in fact made of aluminum. This is a big NO NO. It's also a way to cut down on material cost. I venture to say they went cheap on this particular component due to the lower pressures produced by the .380 cartridge. The factory sights that come on a LCP Max are not regulated. This is why MANY owners complain of shots hitting low. The LCP Max has a black oxide finish because it's a very cost effective (cheap) finishing process. Black oxide treatments require an after-finish treatment of oil, wax, or paint in order to be effective. This is why many LCP Max owners complain of rust quickly forming on their pistols.
It's a cheaply made pocket gun that relies on quantity rather than quality. The S&W Bodyguard 2.0 is superior in many ways. The Armornite finish is both internal and external. It changes (for the better) the metal's properties and is MUCH MUCH more durable than black oxide treatments. The striker fire mechanism is a very well proven system. The grip angle and rear tang allow for the hand to get high and tight up into the pistol. S&W actually designed the sights to be fast acquisition with combat accuracy and they're properly regulated. The brand new facility in which the Bodyguard 2.0 is made has all brand new machinery and tooling with impressive quality control protocols. S&W put in a very significant investment to bring their new .380 to market and they'll probably sell a ton of them. I am not brand loyal. If it's good, it's good. If it's bad, it's bad. The Bodyguard 2.0 is vastly superior to the LCP Max in all facets.
Thank you for that insight. I like your facts over other people's feelings.
Well said!!
Yeah, I love my LCP MAX ELITE, but it comes with one mag, and I bought a Galloway recoil spring, then an MCarbo recoil rod, Spring Kit, Trigger...it's great, but the mag-bases rattle, and I have friends whose guns drop mags while shooting (my first one did, but not the Elite). But mine has been reliable.
That said, I don't like anything about it better than the BG 2.0 except maybe the mag-release doesn't stick out as much, and the rear sight notch isn't too wide (but the front sight is a little wide for the size of the rear). The BG 2.0 is just comically thin and shoots so flat and soft.
This is a review itself. Great summary!
The Bodyguard 2.0 is vastly superior
@@JustinD-n5k ah yes, I always take my manufacturing advice from random guys on TH-cam. Maybe you should see if Ruger will hire you since you seem to know more than their engineers? LoL Thanks for your comment. I’m sure the S&W is a great gun. The point of this video was to highlight that if you already have an LCP (which a ton of people do), there’s no need to run straight out and upgrade. Thanks for watching :-)
I have the Max and shot my new 2.0 today. The 2.0 is superior in everyway to the Max. My Max will now sit in the safe. You're doing nothing but rambling on when you havent even shot the 2.0.
Exactly! All these "experts" who haven't even touched the gun they are dissing!
amen
Yep. The BG2 is better in literally every way.
💯💯💯
Bought one on Friday. 🤣. The Bodyguard 2.0 is a game changer.
@@matthewbaker5359 ya ima probably buy one
I just held one for the first time yesterday. Game changer is an accurate description. The guy that made this vid is 𝘸𝘳𝘰𝘯𝘨.
How much are they ? I can’t find any anywhere
@@OOnti-dz4jd 1000
@@OOnti-dz4jd i saw $399 retail when they first came out. i saw some for sale online for $350 but are now sold out. ill probably wait a year and try to get one around $300 or less.
I think you proved the point that the LCP Max is jank. I carried one for a year or so, and you better believe i picked up the first Bodyguard 2.0 that I could find.
I have both. I like both Ruger and Smith & Wesson. However, the S&W Bodyguard 2.0 iS LIGHT YEARS AHEAD of the Ruger Max. Light years.
So I have the Ruger Max with all the MCarbo springs and trigger, and it shoots fantastic. I also bought the Bodyguard 2,0 and took both to the range for comparison. After firing only 54 rounds through the Bodyguard 2.0, I had 4 light strikes, where it left a dimple on the primer, and never fired. The first time this happened, I placed the round back in the mag and it fired. The second time this happened, it took 3 tries to cook it off. I let my friend try it, and on his eighth round, it didn't fire. I placed the unfired round in the Ruger Max, and it fired. Taking the gun home, I cleaned it and placed a .380 laser training cartridge in the Bodyguard 2.0 and it never activated the laser cartridge. Thinking maybe the batteries were dead, I placed it in the Max and it worked as it should. I then extended the firing pin out of the slide of the 2.0, then out of the Max, and it appeared to me there was more firing pin showing out of the Max than the 2.0. The Bodyguard is now in Springfield Mass with a 6-8 week turn around for my failure to fire/light strike issues. The Ruger Max with the MCarbo upgrades eats everything that goes through it. I'll have to see how SW deals with my issue.
Hibs you recommend we dont buy one but dont own one and havent tried it?
Rather invalidating, eh
Smith and Wesson is better in every way. Fits better in hand than the ruger LCP max . It’s striker fire pistol, straight up sexy pocket pistol.
I’ll have to agree with the other comments. I purchased the bodyguard couple days ago and was able to go out and shoot it today. It is by far a superior weapon to the LCP max. The trigger is better. It shoots much flatter and it has much less recoil. All the things that they are saying about is completely true. One more thing is you don’t need to buy a bunch of accessories to make the new bodyguard shoot better. The grip is already amazing. It comes with two magazines one 10 and one 12 round and a really good trigger. So you don’t need to modify it to make it a better shooting gun. Just pay your 400 bananas and move on.
I've have been on the fence about the Ruger LCP Max for over a year now, hold onto it every time I am at the tool store, it just always felt off to me. The other day, I picked up the S&W Bodyguard 2.0.... No comparision, I ordered the Bodyguard.👍
got an early max kept it completely stock, most carried gun, recoil is very manageable, dependable totally reliable no need to replace it with the newest greatest whatever .
So you need Smith parts to make a Ruger run right 😳🤣✌️🍺🇺🇸
@@G1FREAKZ LoL yep
Love my LCP MAX!! This has been my edc for the most part since i purchased it over a year ago. It shot great out of the box nice and smooth and for me very accurate, and I love how small it is. I put 200 rounds thru my LCP Max right out of the box at my first range day and now I have approx 400 rounds or so thru it with no issues at all w/various types of ammo and I just love this gun!!!!!!!!, I don't carry guns on me unless I put 200 rounds thru them. It came with the Hogue grip already on it except my Hogue grip is different from yours my has the nub in the center and it fits my hand like a glove. I put Galloway Precisions $30 flat trigger on it and their outer recoil spring for $10 and now it shoots even more smoother. I like the bigger trigger guard on the LCP Max, makes it very easy to get my fingers in there w/o any issues when wearing gloves, especially my thick motorcycle gloves. I saw the comparison between the SW BG 2.0 and the LCP Max and the SW is significantly larger in size and the SW BG trigger guard is smaller then the LCP Max which makes a big difference for me when it comes to concealed carry. The Ruger LCP Max is a terrific choice plus its alot less expensive you can pick one up for in the mid $200 range. I'll stick with my LCP Max, if I do choose to buy the SW BG 2.0 380 it'll be to have another pocket rocket gun or another placement gun in 380. U can't go wrong with either the LCP Max or the SW BG 2.0. Hell buy them both if u have the cash, carry one in the pocket and one on your side. Thanks for clarifying and giving some love to a great gun my friend stay safe out there and ignore all the haters.
I have both. One thing I hear a lot of people saying is that the MAX feels cheap. That's nonsense. The one thing that makes it feel cheap is that twang you get when you dry fire it. I think the stock LCP Max sights are better than the BG 2.0 sights. Also, the trigger safety on the BG 2.0 seems flimsy. Hopefully, there will be a 3rd party solution. Where the BG 2.0 shines is how it fits in your hand. You get a better grip and the gun is more controllable. Honestly, the BG 2.0 does feel slightly better made, but only marginally. Oh, I do have the Galloway Precision short stroke trigger, Talon grips, and MCarbo stainless steel guide rod on my LCP Max. Those upgrades cost around $50, so the prices are really close. But, you have to buy a 12 round mag for the MAX. The BG 2.0 comes with one. The main reason I bought the BG 2.0 is that it you can get it with a thumb safety. I have a tough time pocket carrying with a round chambered when there is no thumb safety. All said though, my MAX is sweet. Love it.
I bought a bodyguard 2.0 today and it was well worth it. The ergonomics are so much better for controlling recoil. You are able to hold it up higher and you have a longer grip for larger hands. Small guns in general are snappy and the bodyguard 2.0 is a gamechanger. On the other hand, the Ruger LCP max has a bulky slide that keep your grip hold lower which makes the pivot point lower, hence more recoil.
I’m trading mine in because I’ve had three LCP Max’s experience catastrophic failure below 1000 rounds. The problem is inherent in the design - the recoil spring seat is (poorly, inconsistently) machined out of aluminum, and at high round counts it will cave in, leading to the recoil spring sitting inside the trigger mechanism. This is an extremely dangerous firearm and I’m surprised a recall hasn’t been issued. And to clarify, I’ve had this exact failure three times, each time has required a complete replacement, so another transfer fee, waiting period, etc. I’ve had it happen on bone stock, and fully Mcarbo’d out ones - no matter what, they’re ticking time bombs and cannot match the longevity of a pistol like the Bodyguard 2.0 simply because it has a steel takedown lever, which is where the recoil spring seats.
@@jscampz interesting, never heard of this. Thanks for the comment, and I’ll keep a close eye on mine!
@@HibsLX for sure! I really wanted to like mine, I have tons of holsters, magazines, I’ve installed every upgrade they make - I’ve shot classes and competitions with them, and they just can’t handle the abuse that I think is necessary to vet a carry gun and train with it. Also, the final replacement they sent me has a recoil lug seat at least 2mm thicker than the previous two guns, so they’re either aware of it or their QC and milling is just all over the place. It’s really unfortunate because I love the damn thing, and I do agree with you that there’s minimal return in upgrading if you already have one, but that’s argument is made assuming that the guns themselves are safe.
@@jscampz ok holdup, who's shooting competition with an LCP??
@@HibsLX Not a lot of people, but it's somewhat common in CCW matches because it's got decent enough capacity compared to G43s, P365s, etc. Definitely not in sanctioned matches, that's for sure lol
@@jscampz ah never heard of CCW matches. Nice
Hibs, I do have ALL THE MCARBO UPGRADES AVAILABLE FOR THE MAX, and it shoots fantastic. Can’t wait to test the Bodyguard to compare. Will let you know.
I'll stick with my MAX, thank you. Sure, the Bodyguard might shoot a bit better and might also be more comfortable (unmodified) to shoot, but I pocket-carry my MAX. I can see where the extended beaver tail on the Bodyguard might cause hang ups. I prefer the smooth and curvy profile of the MAX. What do you think.
I sold my LCP Max the day the BG2 was released and thankfully found a BG2 a couple days later. Zero regrets. I hated shooting the LCP Max, the BG2 is a dream to shoot (right out of the box) and carry. This isn’t just needing to have the latest and greatest, the BG2 is a significant upgrade over the LCP Max.
You do a disservice to people by swaying them away from purchasing this gun. I carried the original Ruger LCP for a while and then upgraded to the LCP II and then the LCP Max. I really like the Max, but I've always had a problem with the snap and the short grip. I got a Bodyguard 2.0 last week, and saw the light. It feels absolutely perfect in my hand, something no LCP could ever claim to do. Also, it is quite shootable. Very comfortable and accurate with low recoil and muzzle rise. I've gone from 10" groups at 7yds with my LCP Max to 4" groups with my Bodyguard 2.0. It's like comparing Porsche and Pontiac. One thing I do like better about the LCP Max is the ease of loading the magazines. The Bodyguard's are tough to top off, even with a loader. Supposedly that abates with use, but we'll see.
I doubt he's swaying many people.
These two don't compare.. Unless you just love your LCP Max, I say get the new Bodyguard 2.0. If I could get one, I would have done it yesterday! Problem is, being in MD, I have to wait till the new gun gets listed on MD's handgun roster. Until then, no one in MD will be able to purchase one.
Hell, I am still using a Keltec P3AT with 9+1 mag. it is smaller and thinner than anything. The P3AT is ugly and crude but has never failed me.
I would actually agree with this, if not for my LCP Max having a failure to fire on the first round in a simulated defensive use scenario (straight out of my pocket at the range). The Bodyguard is simply a much higher quality tool. I loved the Max and probably shot it better than the Bodyguard tbh, but I trust the S&W way more than the Ruger (lots of dust collects in that internal hammer area on the Ruger). Fit and finish is far and away superior on the S&W. The Max honestly just feels like a cheap toy compared to the S&W. I encourage anyone who regularly pocket carries the Max to upgrade.
How much did you spend on your Frankenstein LCP max? You’re going on and on about all the changes you made to make the max, a better max; but is it better than the BG2? I had the original BG (6+1), then I bought the max because of the 12+1 capacity. They both shot like shit, but the max allowed me 6 xtra chances to hit my target. Yesterday I picked up my BG2, haven’t shot it yet; but it feels great in my hand compared to the other two. My hand guns are for my protection, and I upgrade when I find something that will possibly increase my chances of survival against a threat and decrease the chances of shooting an innocent bystander. The original BG and LCP max are better than nothing. I’m a 62 yr old retired veteran with above average accuracy. This is your life we’re talking about, and you’re willing to carry a subpar pistol when there maybe something better; ?. I’m taking my BG2 to the range this weekend, will give you an honest comparison review of the two. I paid $425 for my BG2 and they gave me 20 rounds of defense ammo. I’m really curious as to the price total of your upgrades.
Issues with mine thus far. Racking 12 round into chamber, it doesn't feed into chamber. Gets stuck. Lock slide back. Pull out magazine. Bullet flies out of ejection port across the room. Racking into chamber manually doesn't work with 12 round mag. Have to rack fast and hard with 10 round to avoid this problem. Also dry firing, sometimes trigger pull hits sticky point. Going to copy paste this in other 2.0 videos
The 12 round mags work for me but I agree I have to rack fast and hard. I did polish the feed ramp. I had to do that to get defensive rounds to load reliably.
I'm not unhappy with my Stainless Slide 75th anniversary edition I bought a few months ago for $269.
Had the Max for 3yrs now. Completely reliable stock. Got a 2.0 coming in Mon. I like the lower bore axis compared to the Max and fit s my hand better though both feel good. Based on my research on the 2.0 vs the max cant go wrong with either. Will put the 2.0 in rotation after breaking her in at the range. Both will be my New York reloads to my G48 with the S15 mag upgrade.
When the Bodyguard 2.0 came out I was contemplating getting one, even though I have an LCP2. It did inspire me to go buy a case of now much cheaper 380 ammo for it. But I feel more confident carrying my more reliable & powerful P365, so I mostly carry that. And it's a good shooter.
Just bought the BG2.0. Amazing pistol. Points really well for me. My brother couldn't believe how small it was.
I have both now. The bodyguard 2.0 is so much better than the Ruger that the Ruger should not exist anymore other than for those on a tight budget because it’s cheaper. The 2.0 is wildly more ergonomic and more pleasant to shoot.
I have the 75th anniv LCP Max. The 75th anniv model typically sells for around $100 less than the standard LCP Max. The slide is polished stainless steel (not aluminum) and has sharper slide serrations allowing a much better purchase on the slide when racking. The trigger is silver aluminum similar to the red aluminum trigger found on the LCP Max Elite. I upgraded to the Galloway Precision 13lb recoil spring and the MCarbo heavy duty take down pin and stainless recoil spring guide. That said, I'll still be buying a new S&W Bodyguard 2.0.
I just got a new lcp II in 380 for 180. Never fired in box with all the original stuff, except no stickers lol.
I have been EDC the LCP Max but had to upgrade it with the Sigurd trigger, a 13-pound spring, and a steel guide rod to make shooting comfortable. The upgrades added $130 to the original cost. I will check out the BG 2.0.
Everyone says the max is hot trash. What is the point of this take? Have you even shot the smith?
Who’s everyone? For every one person online who doesn’t like the MAX, is twenty people not online, who carry it every day.
@HibsLX Everyone is people who shoot guns and know what garbage is.
@@HibsLX have you shot the 2.0?
@@HibsLX That may have been true until the BG 2.0 arrived.
I own the LCPmax in the beginning I had some hollowpoint issues, I sent it back to Ruger they replaced the barrel and it’s been working excellent since, so far about 900plus rounds, now for the upgrades I replaced the front sight, and the takedown pin. Not speaking for anyone else, but my experience with it has been great. Guys social media will try to sell over priced ice cubes to an Eskimo if there is nothing wrong with your firearm then don’t replace parts. Trust me once all the hype on the BG 2.0 is done these same YTbers that are telling it’s great next week will tell you it sucks and you need money for upgrades.
Ruger doesn't have a thumb safety. That's important for certain people who pocket carry
Neither does the Bodyguard 2.0.
@@dominysynclair the bodyguard 2.0 comes with or without a thumb safety
@@chucknoris406 Are you sure? I was just at a show and every table that had them they didn't have a safety.
@dominysynclair yep, I own one. Academy has them in stock now as well. Not sure why people are buying a pocket carry gun with less than a 5lb trigger without a safety but I made sure to get mine with thumb safety
@@dominysynclair Looking at one right now, because I just picked it up today.
Bought a Ruger max couldn’t wait to get rid of it
my cousin bought the new ford ranger when it came out the damn thing caught fire in the first few months of having it....almost caught the house on fire melted the siding...dont buy brand new cars or guns its your life and family at risk
Do you have a S&W bodyguard 2.0? What kind of recommendation is this. You are plugging the Ruger LCP max that is heavily modified. I have a Keltec PMR-30. When I bought it was a jammo matic. I did all the M-Carbo upgrades and it shoots great, like concealed great. If I want another winter time project gun, I will buy a LCP.
This guy has no clue what he is talking about..
The S&W Bodyguard 2.0 is a far superior shooter
than my LCP Max.
I switched and won't go back.
@@baseball373 you clearly didn’t listen to the first minute of my video. I’m sure the S&W is a great pistol. But for something designed to shoot a target at 3 yards, there is no need to drop $400-500 to upgrade over your current pocket pistol.
I have Ruger Max 9 and LCP Max, and both had springs dislodge and failed to fire?????? I think the springs should be captured better after looking at them.
While I love my lcp max got my new bodygaurd yesterday and let me tell you from my experience.....my lcp max has Santiago short stroke trigger and hammer spring kit and upgraded recoil spring now that made the lcp fantastic.....and then I shot the bodygaurd 2.0 and now I'll be at gun show those weekend selling my lcp .....it's that much better imo
I have a LCP Max .380. The only thing I don't like is it shoots to low. What did you do to correct that??? Thanks for the video review. From Roger.
I picked up an LCP Max 75th anniversary edition for $269 from PSA. While the BG 2.0 looks solid, I see no need to rush out and get one.
For people with arthritis. Bodyguard 2 is very tough to rack. It has a very stiff recoil spring. It feels good in the hand though. I already have the Glock 42 and Sig 365 .380 so no real reason to buy this one as speaker said.
The Bodyguard 2.0 is probably more expensive, but would be a better pistol out of the box.
I can't believe I wasted 2:09 of my life watching part of this video...
@@petervoyt24 Use your aggressive feelings boy, let the hate flow through you!
@@HibsLX son, you need to understand that you need a minimum intelligence level to make videos that people will watch. you obviously don't have it.
@@HibsLX Follow your example, eh?
Imma have to say negative on this.
Bought the max yesterday, not knowing the bodyguard 2.0 was a thing, I watched at least 5 videos on pocket pistols and LCP max was the only one that had a 10rd mag (let alone a 12). (Side note, when I loaded the mags they were very stiff, expected, but when I put them in and racked the slide, it was catching the barrel, when releasing the slide I’d have to give it a push forward to be able to shoot) Now these videos must have been 3+ months old because after I bought it and was otw to my range I happen to find 2 videos within this month (end of August 24’) stating the new bodyguard 2.0 is the cremè de le cremè of pocket pistols. Same capacity (10+1 making it second of the pocket pistols apparently) but comes w a secondary 12rd. So they don’t make you buy a $30+ 12rd. after. Videos also stated less recoil felt, better ergonomics and not a hammer fired. Needless to say I was debating my purchase already. To make matters worse I got to the range and saw they have both the Max and the BG 2.0 for rental.
I walked into the range a loaded 5rd mags until I put 100 through the LCP Max. Even w the 5 the slide would catch if I was racking by hand. If I hit the slide release it was fine. I then decided to rent the BG 2.0 put 5 shots through that and immediately regretted my purchase.
Looking to sell my LCP Max. But after I send this I’m putting in a buy order for the 2.0, it’s just that much better all around.
I have the $400 blue titanium LCP MAX with $100 springs and trigger, $100 if 12rd mags, and Hogue grip. Tuned LCP MAX is over $600!!! and I still have to change front sight 😮 that's what I paid for p365-380.
Picked up BG 2.0 last night for $399....
Counting 80x, I've got all 4 to joust
The S&W seems like a better buy for sure, IF you don't have a pocket pistol. But if you have a LCP MAX, why spend another $400?
My main question is have you shot the bodyguard 2.0.
The next question is why would you carry a Ruger max as your ccw.
I get if you have one to upgrade did that with mcarbo and Galloway precision still not that good. If you would like a better alternative for Ruger and stay in 380 go with security 380. As far as the bodyguard vs the max that’s not even in the same category. The max is just one step above a sccy on a good day.
I held a Max yesterday for the first time and though I prefer a 3 finger grip liked the way it fit my hand...If your a new buyer the bodyguard may have the features that avoid the upgrade cost
What brand is your pocket holster?
I have both and I like both. The S&W 2.0 is definitely superior in my opinion.
Nobody really needs the new Bodyguard pistol.
But people will but it anyway.
product diversification is how companies stay in business. I resolved you dilemma buy buying both the LCP MAX and the Body 2.0
I have both and the bodyguard 2.0 is way better than lcp max.
At the time I bought my LCP Max it was about 350+, Just bought the S&W 2.0 for 429. So, that said if I was to add the upgrades price would be about the same. Have you tried the Bodyguard??????. Shoots much flatter. Fits my hand much better and does not hurt my finger. Ruger put out a great little gun But Smith and Wesson did it better. Don't know how many times I have had to deal with the rust issue on my Max. Never had an Issue with my Bodyguard 9mm 2.0. I only have about 150 rounds through the S&W so far and I was shooting it along side the Max. Seen a lot of issues on various guns when people start adding after market parts. LCP Max is very good for it's price range but for 100 extra the Bodyguard 380 2.0 is better. And by the way I do consistently shoot at much more than 3 yards... neither gun is a 3 yard gun
@@1dgabel all points understood. From what I hear, the S&W sounds like an excellent gun.
Sounds like LCP Max is riddled with problems. Thanks for the info so I'll make sure to stay from this mess. Glad for your honest breakdown. 👍
Got the max not long ago....wish I knew the BG was coming out, especially as a shield owner. ahhhh. Max gets the job done so not going to run out to upgrade but when the BG 2.0 gets cheap and there is a rebate sure I won't be able to resist. My Max also shoots low so thanks for the sight info! cheers!
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I did the same thing about 8 months ago to my lcp max, they now have model specific hogue grip , I used the 18400 model before it was avail and it has the extra girth and padding at the dovetail ( I boiled some water in microwave and then let the grip sit in for few minutes then just worked it on) , it was my first attempt at gun smiting and took a bit but was successful wiht help of the videos stopped and starting. I also added the Pearce pinky extensor on my 10 round mags ( zero change to concealability ) but that plus the hogue my hand fits perfectly .. I also added the galloway mag realize spring to decrease the chance of mag releasing during shooting ( happened initially more from lack of experience as new shooter) bit now the mag is secure and really snaps in . th rocket locker from vedder is my go to and now it has adjustable retention and worth the thumb ext and curved bottom it is perfect and disengages in pocket by just pushing off not having to pull out with tongue thing against pocket . I think all in on the mods less then 150 all in . was able to shoot my buddies lcp max all orig back to back after I did the changes and it was a world of diff and so much so that my buddy said I don't want to shoot mine again until you do the same to mine ... done in half the time as learning curve lol ..
I am sure the new bodyguard is a major step forward as all new firearms are , but with what I have invested and the 8 extra mags I have for the range days to shoot more rounds in less time so I can concentrate on technique more than reloading . plus I am in a 10 round state so they are not avail yet , I also only carry my 380 in the rare days of the summer when it is hot and humid otherwise I carry AIWB micro 9's .
with all that said if I were to start out and purchase it would prob be the newest and shiny bodyguard but since im invested and love my ruger now like you do, I will keep for a bit as there are other minor 9 im trying to secure and one im waiting for to come out..
great review and glad im not alone with my positive impressions of the mcarbo and other goodies
How does it compare to my micro Taurus Gx4?
The Max needs too many upgrades. I bought one last year. Will be selling it, and my OG Bodyguard. Buying the new Bodyguard 2.0 soon.
All the upgrades do nothing to reduce the muzzle snap. The grip sleeve makes it less dreadful for me but it still spins up in my grip.
What do you have to buy to stop? The l c p max from blowing back pressure in your eyes every time it ejects the round i had an lcp max and i sold it because it killed my eyes with blow back pressure
@@sammyprestwood3182 never had that problem, and I’m at over 1k rounds in my LCP MAX
I have the LCPMax and the Mcarbo upgrades also. No way am I Not getting the 2.0 M&P. I carry the P365 and Shield plus. Looks like the 2.0 is a great addition.
@@fpav4049 yep S&W is a good buy if you don’t already have an LCP max
@@HibsLXsell your max and get the bg 2.0 .
This guy is giving a review on a gun he has not shot. The SW Body guard 2.0 will get upgrades sooner or later also. Talk is the Bodyguard is a better gun. Dont listen to what this guy is saying. The upgrades for the LCP Max are expensive. Guys and gals check out the new Smith and Wesson Bodyguard, and make your own decision.
You did so many upgrades to make this better it is not apples to apples. I have had the max a while. Removed rust off it several time. it requires a daily wipe down. Also have the bodyguard 2.0 and had the original. The fit and finish is 100% better. Bore axis allows a much better grip. Advising people to add aftermarket parts to improve this and possibly cause issues is bad info. With upgrades this is still a loose pistol with a poor finish and tolerances. It filled a niche. Ruger will drop the price to keep them selling. It is not on the same level. I am not a S&W fanboi. They destroyed a revolver I sent in for repair by cracking the frame. I just call it as I see it from experience. Ruger also replaces my magazines and slide and barrel on the max because of issues. I have had issues with both companies. QC is at a all time low with everything.
i bought two the LCP2 when they first came out and two LCP MAX when it came out. I picked up two Bodyguards 2.0. one with the safety and one without. The Bodyguard 2.0 blows the others away. While I do not sell guns after I buy them, I can't see myself carrying the others any longer. the Ruger's have always shot great but the BG 2.0 shoots just as good but the carryability is so much better imho.
Its new, looks good, and costs $100 more today...If looking for a pocket carry its a matter of cost and vanity...if you plan a trigger or sight replacement then the cost is equal
dont buy bodyguard 2.0
heres why lcpmax is better after 300 upgrades.
got it
I have an LCP II and just got the BG 2.0 a couple of days ago. Whole other level. Doesn't rattle, ergos are excellent, comes with 2 mags. I actually can't believe its basically the exact same size as the LCP because it feels so much better in the hand. Can get all 3 fingers on the grip with 10 round mag. I actually didn't realize how bad the LCP ergos were till I held theBG 2.0. I only have a few mags through mine but no malfunctions so far. Sorry bro but BG 2.0 is the new king. LCP has been dethroned. Its enough difference that I'd recommend selling/trading an LCP for a BG 2.0.
It's amazing right. S&W killed it with this one.
I had an LCP Max and I have a Boyguard 1.0 and 2.0 amongst several other 380 pocket pistols. Objectively the Bodyguard is vastly superior to the Rugers. Better in every way, especially reliability, trigger, grip size, and accuracy.
Have the LCP Max, Glock 42 and now the 2.0... The 42 was my fav pocket carry but the 2.0 is by far one of the best 380 I have shot, which is saying a lot considering I couldn't stand the MP shield 9MM or the bodyguard. So I wasn't a fan of SW for sometime!
The grip on the LCP Max is terrible and the gun itself looks /feels clunky. Just bought the new Smith & Wesson 2.0 bodyguard it's a very functional right out of the box. Great little 380!
Bodyguard 2.0 is the best 380 on the market hands down. Max doesn’t even get close to it.
I have both and I like the BG2 more. But love both in general
I don’t wanna understand how people buy guns as soon as they get released. I like to wait a little bit just to see what’s the feedback and if any issues come up! Look at the sig that was going off on its own! I’ll wait a year or so. I got my hellcat 2 years after it got released.
Whole point is missed. 2.0 has a maual safety option and the'll sell 80% with that option.I have the 2.0 and the Max but my wife wouldn't carry without a safety. The 2.0 Is better quality, shoots more accurate, less recoil and feels better in hand and the trigger is better. Before telling people to replce sights,trigger,springs exc. Go shoot a bodyguard so you can make an actual judgement before telling them to replace half the junk parts on the ruger. Wife loves her new MS 2.0 . Bad advice to pan a product you have no real knowledge of.
Swing and a miss the bodyguard shoots flatter, more reliable, more durable, better looking, and higher quality
Based on specs and usability I'd take the BG 2.0 for sure as long as it is reliable....oh wait I just ordered one last night! lol SW has been knocking it out of the park with there recent releases! I have also had great customer service with SW in the past.
Confused is there gonna be a second video on what’s wrong with the Bodyguard and why we shouldn’t buy the bodyguard? I mean at the shop I work at the Max is $40 less than the Bosyguard so with your $100 of upgrades I’d pay $60 more for the Max. I really would suggest if your gonna title something DON’T BUY then have the item whatever it is in question and explain its flaws that make it a DON’T BUY.
His upgrades cost much more than $100. It is $97 for the internal upgrades that may do anything to affect the felt recoil. The grip sleeve helps too for about $15. The other parts are not needed and the firearm will likely wear out before the other original parts he installed would wear out.
The S&W BG 2.0 doesn't need $100 worth of aftermarket parts, or a soft rubber grip sleeve, or new (S&W) sights.
I would buy one. The Bodyguard 2.0 is better than the Ruger LCP. You can grip higher on the Bodyguard 2.0.
I simply will never pocket carry a striker fired pistol with that light of a trigger. That's why I won't get the 2.0
The slide to frame fit on the LCP Max is horrendous. Mine rattles worse than a baby rattle. It’s the most loosey goosey gun I’ve ever seen. I’m very afraid that the base plate on my ten round mag is going to fall apart. It just feels like a cheaply made gun. I’m still carrying my G42
You really should shoot the BG2 first, dont ya think?
Ruger is a joke compared to Bodyguard 2.0
Have 2 of the
BG 1. I like the da trigger since it goes in the pocket.
Love mine, i traded my G42 for it. Dont like Rugers
Aww. It'll be ok. Save up your change and join the rest of us when you can. But dont lie to ppl, like the ruger is in any way on the level of the bodyguard 2.0
Bought one at Tallahassee gun show yesterday!!!!
So the purpose of this video is, "You don't need to buy a 2.0 if you already have a MAX." That is like saying that someone doesn't need to upgrade to a 1911 if they already have a Highpoint .45. Son, it's the Bill of Rights, not the Bill of Needs. Why are you making it out like it's an either/or situation? It's not like they're big investments. They're both relatively cheap. Do they accomplish the same task? Of course. But that doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't have both. Personally, I wouldn't waste my money on a Ruger. I would get something higher quality like a Taurus, SCCY, or a Bersa if I could only have 1.
After reading the comments, this video seems to be aging like warm milk. Especially after the OP responds in one of the comments that he is probably going to buy a BG2.0
@@wittech6116 if you listened in the first minute I said this video wasn’t about the Bodyguard. It’s about not going out and buying the newest shiny object. You realize the manufactures do this on purpose right? Strategically stage new models with small variances to get you to constantly spend your dime to upgrade. Just wait, 6 months from now there will be a bodyguard in FDE, then one factory ported, then one with a red dot, etc
@@HibsLX except the bodyguard 2.0 is not an incremental step forward. This is a complete redesign of the bodyguard.
Will the release incremental “upgrades” to the 2.0 like you suggest, of course. But your premise is predicated by your title of “DON’T BUY!!” You are creating this idea based on a complete lack of information. How can you tell people not to buy something when you apparently don’t own or haven’t even shot the product to which you are claiming people shouldn’t buy?
@@wittech6116 the point of the video is there is no need to buy a BG2.0 if you already own a LCP MAX. Everyone talking about “it’s so much better” doesn’t even own one yet either, they just eat all the sponsored videos online. Go to Reddit and see the numerous posts of BG2.0s choking already. And really… “so much better” for a 3 yard point shooting gun? If I want better, I’ll carry an actual 9mm.
M-Carbo. Best trigger kit for the hellcat!
The LCP MAX is a great little pistol. The MCARBO parts truly are high quality and I always say MCARBO makes good guns better.
I think people that buy the S&W Bodyguard 2.0 will be purchasing it for a couple different reasons such as ergos (everyone's hands are different) Looks (It looks like a S&W Shield/M&P), the standard grip gives just a little more front strap length than the LCP MAX and the length of the trigger stroke appears to be shorter on the S&W. All of that being said if you already have and shoot the LCP MAX well there's probably not a reason to buy the S&W. I've never liked the look or feel of the LCP MAX and I have the old LCPII so I'm going to look at the S&W and see how it fits me
The new BG 2.0 has a better grip, more manageable recoil, looks better, sweeter trigger, best craftsmanship.
LCP max is not even close to being the same gun. You shouldn’t have to upgrade a gun to match another. Also shoot ability is much better with Bodyguard 2.0. Overall the BG 2.0 is a much better firearm. Also you have spent around 600 bucks on a crap gun. By the way I own both and the 2.0 is night and day. No upgrading needed. 80x Cheetah is also a much better option.
meh, I have both and the S&W 2.0 is thiner, has a better trigger, better texture and fits nicely in my hand. It is $399 (higher some places) I also own the OG 380 Bodyguard…super small and super shitty trigger and safety…so worth the upgrade there. I have the Hogue on my BG1, Ruger but not my BG2… there are also no (few) holsters for the BG2….no holster thing sucks but they will come. I do not pocket carry without a holster…not looking to blow my pee pee off.
What if I have the original Bodyguard?
Definitely get the new one. It's cool.