Why I Think Jesus Was a Vegetarian
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- In this interview with Derek Lambert, host of @MythVisionPodcast, I present the arguments, almost never explored (other than by Keith Akers and a few others), that Jesus followed a vegetarian diet and did not eat meat--or even fish! I realize there are a very few passages in our New Testament gospels--three total--that imply otherwise--but they are late and do not stand any test of authenticity. It is generally acknowledged that his cousin John the Baptizer--as well as his brother James, who grew up in his household, never ate meat. But Jesus is made an exception by many. Jesus was in fact, very much, a 'back to Eden" figure, who always emphasized, within the varieties of Judaism of his day, "from the beginning it has not been so."
Over the years I have noticed that people get very emotionally involved in dietary questions, every bit as much as the proverbial forbidden topics "religion and politics," as around the table discussions. I hope folks will objectively consider this evidence. I also recommend Keith Aker's work on this topic, both h is books and articles, see his web site here:
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I have eaten a Genesis 1 diet for years and recommend it to others. You will feel better both physically and spiritually.
What do you eat, exactly? I'm vegan myself.
@@luciferlucero I eat mostly fruit, but do eat some vegetables. For the last few months I have traveled in Mexico where I have found a much bigger supply of different fruits and much fresher vegetables than I could get in the US. I have eaten fruits I never saw in the US and only had heard of, and some I never had heard of. Even in states like Florida that grow a lot of fruit, grocery stores tend not to carry a lot of them. It took me a very long time to get to this diet. I became an ovo-lacto vegetarian in the mid-1970s. By the later 1970s I gave up the milk and eggs. But I had no guidance on what to eat, so ate lots of pasta, bread, and other such foods. I did this for a long time, including soy products, fake burgers, etc. Finally a little more than 10 years ago I tried a raw diet. I found that with raw foods I preferred fruits to most vegetables. I feel good with this diet. I don't look like a skinny beanpole at about 170 pounds and a little over 6 feet, but have low body fat.
@@TomCarberry413 All that exotic fruit sounds amazing. Lucky. ⚡⚡
i've been a strict vegan for 37 years no animal eater will see the kingdom period!
You will also discover that zoonotic viruses have little to no effect on you as you are set apart from the carnivorous world where they originate !
Well done! Thank you for this. I became Christian in 2010 and Christ made me vegan in 2013 after a 40 day Daniel Fast. I prayed for perfect health and God have it to me. Im surprised you didn’t mention the Essenes because this is the text God gave me to prove he never ate meat. And Isaiah 65:17-25 does speak of the future which is now! Fruitful blessings
Jesus ate meat mark 14.
Isaiah is referring to when the messiah comes learn Judaism
I became a vegan, for the spiritual reason of kindness, for 11 years. Sadly, I relapsed back into a taste for flesh in this last 2 years. This video has put me firmly back on the path. Thank you so much.
Was vegan 8 years. Was thinking it might have been a bit extreme and concerned about nutrition...did so e digging and ,lotta smoke for the fire.been eating animals for a year, but I think I'm going to be veganish with some eggs..basically what will give me the tricky to find nutrients on pure plants. I also follow a mind of alms based Mendicancy so I take what I'm given, though id prefer plants.
@@tylerwhitney3443get away from processed GMO Fake "vegan" stuff thats whats causing the troubles
@@tylerwhitney3443from a logical/moral perspective eggs and milk can be sourced ethically! If you had your own supply the actual foods are ethical. It’s just the modern farming methods that cause harm. Started eating eggs also (not milk as haven’t found a good source) and would like to try raw milk also.
No one talks about vegetarianism today. It’s either one extreme of veganism or carnivore. Vegetarianism seems like a sensible middle ground
@@MrGoodFruit the eggs you eat are not ethically sources, nor can they be.
@@tonerebel2866 how? If one had their own to lay then how is that unethical? Please answer. I’m genuinely curious.
I almost didn’t watch this video because the title seemed a bit far-out and not that relevant. But wow, James Tabor wove a very strong case for his theory. Absolutely fascinating!!
It's not a theory - he is telling the truth.
If you opened your mind to the idea that animal life (CREATED by God, and similar to us by His design) has worth. Then the topic of this video is extremely relevant as well. Man fell, God's paradise is not yet again realized on Earth.
@@WhirledPublishing he is meant to be a scholar, not a prophet. You need to calm down.
@@BroonParker I am a Scholar - you need to smarten up - I suggest you begin to care about the truth instead of regurgitating your programming and indoctrination and mind control.
@@WhirledPublishing with a capital S.
I remember when I went vegetarian almost 13 years ago, thanks to my spiritual Master who said in one of his lecture that Jesus didn't eat meat, I decided to investigate the Bible and early christians history about vegetarianism, and I noticed almost all the elements noticed. That is when I discovered the Ebionites, the primal diet that God gave to mankind, the refusal of Daniel and his friends to eat meat, the possible parallel between how it was at the beginning concerning mariage and how it should be concerning diet etc. And I came to this very same conclusion of religious idealism in diet. I also noticed that in Judaism and Islam there are rituals done before slaughtering animal (Kosher in Judaism and Hallal in Islam), but in christianity there is none. I then concluded that one such ritual doesn't exist probably because meat consumption was not intended in early christianism. I think that this is one the important aspects of Jesus mission that has been very sadly lost to us.
Jesus ate meat
@@vampyresgraveyard3307 if believing this makes you good, then go on. Based on my research I don’t believe that.
@@ludovlade Luke 22
Look up the Cathars and Essenes , Cathar comes from the greek word katharos which means pure, clean , so its a pureblood nutrition devoid of animal flesh and blood .
No he didn’t do the research
Message to all truth seekers
“You will know them by their fruits” not their lamb chops
Does this mean, that the light ones are not into meat?
@@PutSumDirtInYaEye Keith Akers books also confirm this
Read Genesis 9
@@joshuawilliams9276 v4 says no flesh
Lamb chop was featured on Captain Kangaroo, and Captain Kangaroo also had lamb chops.
I knew the show was heretical.
This is one of my favourite James videos. This is just fantastic! Thank you. I was not expecting this.
I agree !!
Would that be confirmation bias in action?
I hate violence to sweet empathetic beings.
Then it should also be wrong to cut a banana.
A banana has empathy? Maybe more so the tree. A more reasonable justification is that plants are a renewable source of food. Once you eat an animal, that same animal can’t be relied upon for more food. You can’t plant a chicken carcass and hope for more chickens. In yoga, there’s a tradition of ahimsa, which does not mean non violence, but more so limiting the amount of violence you have upon the world.
The scripture that came to mind when I was watching this video is Proverbs 23:20 (the King James version): "Be not among winebibbers, among riotous eaters of flesh...."
I became a vegan several years ago when I was doing a lot of fasting to God (according to Isaiah 58 and Luke 2:37). I would also see videos on Facebook, and the animals in the videos had feelings I had never realized. (Incidentally, during this fasting period, I also discovered the names of Yeshua and Yahweh ... sorry - off topic.)
More recently, my vegan stance is also based upon the idea that if God created animals and God created people - why would God care any less for his animal creations than he cares for his people creations? Humans do incredibly cruel things to animals not only by eating animals, but in every kind of abuse. I don't believe this was the plan of a loving and kind God. I have suspected that all the bloody sacrifices in scripture were the creation of man - the commandments of man (Isaiah 29:13, Matthew 15:8-9, Mark 7:6).
I am what I call a devout Christian, although that's probably not what mainstream Christians might call me (actually, I've been called a heretic). I believe organized Christian religion is way off track (and has been for almost two thousand years). I discovered during my continuous fasting period that people had altered God's word. That didn't weaken my faith. I think it strengthened my faith because having this knowledge explained a lot of the inaccuracies. I thought to myself how naive I was to think that after a few thousand years, no one would alter the word of God to have it say what he/they wanted it to say to achieve power and wealth for himself/themselves.
Another powerful reason that I did not turn away from Christianity when I discovered that God's word had been altered is because in the early 1990s, I received the baptism of God's spirit. It was and still is the greatest experience of my life. No one but a spiritual God could have transcended through my whole being during this occurrence. I had a lot of doubts about the spiritual baptism at that time (before it happened to me). I saw the scriptures that pointed to God's pouring out of his spirit (Joel 2:28, Acts 2:16, 17). I saw it was for whomever Yahweh our God calls (Acts 2:39). I just didn't know how it was going to happen. I couldn't understand it with my logical mind. I realize now that there is no logical explanation, and only almighty God can do this. I do believe people fake this experience; but, there are a lot of things that are faked in the name of Christianity. All I know is that it really did happen to me and there is no doubt in my mind.
Anyhow, I really enjoy your teachings, Dr. Tabor. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I sincerely appreciate your generosity. Bless you.
One more thing - I love the scripture - "They will not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth will be full of the knowledge of Yahweh, as the waters cover the sea" (Isaiah 11:9).
Excellent comment, much of what you said I have always felt as truth.
Am a fan of Tabor's books and lectures. He is spot on about many things including the vegetarianism of John the Baptist, Jesus, and the Jesus Movement. This is not new information, so why do most not know about it? Most teachers, professors, leader types, etc... in Christian realms eat meat, and so are not inclined to care about this area of research. Often debates on vegetarianism in Christianity come down to what the debaters had for lunch, lol. Only those who are already vegetarians or vegans seem to be the ones to care about veg passages in the Book of Genesis, Old Syriac Gospels, Gospel of the Hebrews, Ebionites, apocryphal texts, church fathers and saints. And no, the apostles are not fisherman, still in their early 20's frozen in time or operating a fish market in the Galilee, lol. If one explores the various Acts of the Apostles, Acts of Thomas, Clementine Homilies, etc..., one will find references to most all of them becoming vegetarians. “John never ate meat.” “James, the brother of the Lord, lived on seeds and plants and touched neither meat nor wine.” The Apostle Thomas: “He continually fasts and prays, and abstaining from the eating of flesh…” “…The Apostle Matthew partook of seeds, and nuts, hard-shelled fruits, and vegetables, without flesh.” Peter said, “I live on olives and bread, to which I rarely only add vegetables…” “The unnatural eating of flesh meats is as polluting as the heathen worship of devils…” (Peter, Clementine Homilies) For sure, from the time of Paul, who was arguing with veg Christians, to the time of Saint Jerome, creator of the Latin Vulgate, clearly some in Christianity were committed to ethical vegetarianism as being part of the "Yoke of the Lord" (expression found in the Didache). St. Jerome: “The consumption of animal flesh was unknown up until the great flood. But since the great flood, we have had animal flesh stuffed into our mouths. Jesus, the Christ, who appeared when the time was fulfilled, again joined the end to the beginning, so that we are now no longer allowed to eat animal flesh.” (pro-vegetarian early church father Hieronymus [St. Jerome] who apparently was influenced by Ebionite views) “The steam of meat meals darkens the spirit. One can hardly have virtue if one enjoys meat meals and feasts. In the earthly paradise [Eden], no one sacrificed animals, and no one ate meat.” (Saint Basil the Great)
That's a quite interesting passage, I always thought that, Christians are basically non vegetarians, just like Muslim. Now, Dr. Tabor becomes a lighthouse in the dark seas of foolishness.
Any "food" is simply concentrated sunlight. The commercial industries owned by satanists & luciferians make an effort to ensure they have dense, low energy food on their shelves. It's a consciousness war. Don't many Chinese and Tibetan monks live off of sunlight (or a very stringent diet)? That's what I've read. Some are alive at 250+ years on water and sun, others on nothing. They've disciplined and stilled the mind.
Actually, the biblical record is very clear, Jesus ate both fish and lamb, as well as the priests, and God separated clean and unclean meats, therefore showing there is a difference.
So no, he nor any of the prophets or other notable biblical characters were vegetarians, as that would have been out of character with their culture, and we have no indication to prove otherwise.
So while a plant-based diet is definitely more healthy for you, the title of this video is misleading.
@@bldlightpainting Actually, Paul and Paul allied writings were OK with meat and even eating meat sacrificed to pagan idols, as we already know. The subject that should be of interest to those into learning is the diet of Jesus and those directly affiliated with him (Jerusalem, James the Just, other apostles). The title of the video and contents therein are spot on. Some might even view Jesus as more authoritative than Paul. :) As interesting as Paul and his attempt to recruit Romans might be, I find it far more interesting to catch glimpses of Jesus, the Kingdom of Heaven that he advocated, and that somewhat marginalized history of the original group (Jesus Movement, Christianity-Before-Paul.
Kill and eat. Linked.
Noah was a vegetarian too. He brought in the ark food for himself and the family and even for all the animals. There were only one pair of each animal which means that animals did not eat each other in the ark but every animal ate plants. Gen 7, 2.3. was added. Try reading without it. It is so clear.
It's a fake story, he didn't gather every animal in the world onto his boat. How did he keep the polar bears alive?
Noah also knew the difference and offered a pure oblation, ie an un-bloody sacrifice as in Jubilees
@@key5t0ne You are thinking!. I bellieve it was animal dna that was collected,
not the animals themselves. What would they have eaten if on a boat? where did
all the excrement go? too many questions if they were on a boat.
Wrong he had 2 of each kind then God told Noah to bring unclean animals and clean animals on board the ark
@@key5t0nemy take was that he actually did bring “all the animals” onto the ark that the most high made. But that number was not a species-diluted as what we have now with the fallen state of the human and animal kingdom, and the fallen angel kingdom.
Jubilees and other early texts speak to “22 kinds” with kinds meaning more like categories with multiple species within it, but not 8 Billion… it doesn’t give a number. But the takeaway is that it was way less animals than what we know now. Many of the subspecies and genus/phylum/order we have now, developed naturally and unnaturally over the next several thousand years.
So to your point, I think maybe it was just “bears”. And then they later developed into grizzly/brown/black/polar So yes, the polar bear that wasn’t yet in the Polar regions, bc it wasn’t yet subjected to migrations that far north (or outer, depending on you’re angle) to adapt over time into what we now classify as polar bear… and this is what modern science is all about doing : inflating and confounding the simple and beautiful into something convoluted.
I love your studies! You have the most pleasant affect and energy
As long as there are slaughterhouses there will be battlefields. ~ LEO TOLSTOY
Yes, we have a bible from the 11 th century written in Danish. Jesus says “ Blessed is he whom eats like a dear in the field, for he shall dine at my table” deer eat plants, this verse is no longer in bibles so what else was edited by king James and others. I believe that Jesus follows what God sees as perfect which is the first instruction God gave man and animals, every fruit with seed and every herb as food. It does not seem hard to understand.
I'm from Danmark too, would love to hear about thatc11th century Bible, can you tell me where I can find it, maybe 😊
This is brilliant as a christian vegetarian myself I love this xx
Professor, you quoted Micah 6:8, the only verse I live by in the entire bible! Wow! Thank you!
It would be more inclusive to start at Micah 6:6
Hosea 6.6 and Mathew 9.13 sas exacly the same. So maybe you follow Gods word even more then you think already
@@VegangelistenNat2022 that is talking about sacrifices, Deuteronomy 12:15 debunked it you can kill and eat your animals wherever you live because it's not a sacrifice
I recently started on a salad kick and I and my boss immediately noticed the after lunch effects the salad had versus my productivity after eating a meal that consisted mostly of meat.
Wouldn't Israelites at that time all participate in eating the Passover lamb?
In Jesus cooked fish too. Why would he give it to others if he would eat it himself? So, I'm thinking he at least ate lamb and fish, maybe not that often but he did eat it.
Jesus’ Last Supper, can you find the verse describing the lamb as it isn’t there. Jesus was of the Essenes, they also celebrated Passover one day earlier than the Pharisees, the Scribes, the Pharisees and the Sadducees.
If you look at the Syriac Bible, it is in Aramaic, the common language which Jesus spoke as well as Hebrew and Greek, the feeding of the 5,000 does not include fish but a condiment for bread called “fish weed”. So is the same thing at work when Jesus is said to eat broiled fish or He did that to prove that His body was indeed made of flesh.
Jesus came to fulfill all righteousness and He would have fulfilled the original design as He was the Creator, if you read John 1. Mankind has moved from being caretakers of the Earth and the animals, to be exploiters of both.
The Lambs which were slaughtered at Passover looked forward to the True Lamb of God. He told people that they needed to eat His flesh and that His blood was true drink. No, we do not actually eat Him, but if we digest His Word, it was what He was getting at.
It is better to live by the Perfect Will of God than a compromise allowed for the fact that not much was growing at first when Noah and his family came off the ark.
Have you not read that when the Lord returns and He reigns as King, the lion will lie down with the lamb and both shall eat straw.
I was crippled in a wheelchair with Arthritis and I prayed and asked God what I was doing wrong, He answered me in my mind “Have you not read Genesis 1”. I had read Genesis 1 many times but now it hit me, to eat the diet of Genesis would heal me. It did. I am now fully vegan. And it is a blessing. I do not have to take prescription medications at all, no high blood pressure, not diabetes type II, no high cholesterol, no liver disease or kidney disease, no longer have asthma or eczema. And I will be 70 in 3 months. My husband is also vegan. He waited and did not join what I was eating and we found out he had prostate cancer and it was too far along to treat with diet so he had to have surgery. He survived. Now there were 3 other men who also retired from where he worked who also had prostate cancer, they had chemo and radiation and all died within 3 months. My husband is HEALTHY.
Tell me what blessing it is to have cancer. I watched my mother and mother-in-law and my only sister, all die of breast cancer. And I do not have cancer either.
Our food is actually delicious. Yes, many who are non-Christians have become vegan as the love how ethical it is. But should not Christians not also understand this the more-so?
You have no idea how many people are surviving cancers or have them reverse from the plant-based diet. My father died of Alzheimer’s and he was already sick with it at my age, 69.
The greatest pleasure for the Christian is holiness and fellowship with God. Can you truly imagine Jesus running a slaughter house? I never thought about it when I ate meat at all, we learn not to see the horror we cause and the pain. We just expect all the health problems eating meat causes is “normal”.
I’ve been vegan 10 years, in all that time, I’ve had the flu once, and one cold whereas before the diet change, I had one cold after another in the winter time. I also had a broken ankle after menopause which typically will not heal. But I eat kale and I do not have brittle bone.
Does your diet give you such benefits?
I love animals, I no longer mean, that I love how they taste! I love to see videos of the animals I used to eat in animal rescues playing and being happy.
I never even before when I ate meat would have killed an animal but I paid others to do it for me. I have repented of that.
When both Jesus and John the Baptist came teaching, both cried out “Repent for the kingdom of Heaven is at hand.” Repentance is part of being a Christian.
Can you prove that the diseases I recovered from or have not gotten are just complete coincidences? Others who eat as I do have had the same health benefits. So it is a direct cause and effect.
Do you actually think that being fat and sick is a benefit? Look around, most people are overweight and many are obese? Is this a proof that Christians live in repentance or indulgence? You tell me, which is better?
@@courag1 Everyone knew that lamb was part of the Passover dinner, so why mention the obvious. 1. Humans ARE animals. 2. All living creatures will die, and the predator/prey relationship is central to Earth's ecology. 3. I don't believe what you say about not being sick. Many vegans have all sorts of diseases. People who are part of cults lie all the time.
@@courag1 what a great testimony
@@courag1 Matthew 7:13-14 - few will understand
Dr Tabor I have been seeking and I believe there is another definition meaning for the word Evil that goes back to the Beginning am I correct?
Much appreciate the insights ❤
Thank you for sharing. Before you even stated your words I have always believed that
Yshua, his family, and 12 disciples did not eat cadavers. It just makes total sense for
them and all humanity. We have lived in a violent world because we have consumed
a violent diet. Our intended food was always only plants. This from a whole food vegan
for over 25 years. Peace.
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )
@@theguyver4934 I don't where you get this assumption that the things you listed were very late misinterpretations when it seems your just listing things you personally dont like, such as claiming atonement is a very late misinterpretation. You clearly havent sat down and read the Bible all the way through.
Leviticus 17:11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life
I understand you don't like blood sacrifice but it's in the Torah given as a type of atonement and I don't think you can get a earlier source then Leviticus🤨 You can't take your vegetation assumptions and personal probelm with blood atonement and try to delete passages in the Bible to meet your beliefs. Apart from James there is NO evidence any of the disciples were vegetation & the earliest stories indicate Peter was indeed a fisherman. God himself in Exodus ordered the children of Israel to eat Lamb in order to give them the energy they needed to leave egyput in the Exodus. As for original.Sin unless you want to dismiss all of Paul letters which whether you like it or not are the earliest sources of Christianity he taught Original Sin when he said Death and Sin came through 1 Man Adam. something isn't true just because you don't like it.Find another religion
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@@X23Ninja
The Nasareans (Essenes) were an ancient, Jewish sect living in Judaea between the second century BC and the first century AD, who were strict vegetarians.
The Essenes recommended eating a simple diet of fresh fruit, vegetables, barley, wheat, almonds, milk and honey - which they claimed would keep you healthy and lengthen your life.
During Passover Essene communities didn't eat lamb, they consumed bread and wine.
The absence of lamb and the presence of bread and wine at the Passover supper indicates that Jesus and most of his followers were highly likely Essenes.
Jesus Is the lamb 🐑
***And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.”
Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. - Matthew 26:26-28***
Multiple sources state that; Jesus' brother James was "RAISED as a vegetarian", indicating that his family were ALL likely members of the Essenes.
According to John; Jesus was sacrificed alongside the lambs during preparation for Passover. However! Jesus and his followers had already celebrated Passover 2 days prior.
This begins to make sense when we learn that the Essenes celebrated Passover a few days before their contemporaries as they followed a slightly different calendar.
Furthermore, The Essenes always celebrated Passover on a Wednesday, which would have been the day Jesus was captured.
The evidence is fairly overwhelming.
Jesus, during his earthly ministry was most likely, an Essene.
**He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. - John 1:11**
Much love 💕
Jesus Is Lord 👑
@@X23Ninja
The Nasareans (Essenes) were an ancient, Jewish sect living in Judaea between the second century BC and the first century AD, who were strict vegetarians.
The Essenes recommended eating a simple diet of fresh fruit, vegetables, barley, wheat, almonds, milk and honey - which they claimed would keep you healthy and lengthen your life.
During Passover Essene communities didn't eat lamb, they consumed bread and wine.
The absence of lamb and the presence of bread and wine at the Passover supper indicates that Jesus and most of his followers were highly likely Essenes.
Jesus Is the lamb 🐑
***And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.”
Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. - Matthew 26:26-28***
Multiple sources state that; Jesus' brother James was not only vegetarian but "RAISED as a vegetarian", indicating that his family were ALL likely members of the Essenes and/or vegetarians.
According to John; Jesus was sacrificed alongside the lambs during preparation for Passover. However! Jesus and his followers had already celebrated Passover 2 days prior 😯
This begins to make sense when we learn that the Essenes celebrated Passover a few days before their contemporaries as they followed a slightly different calendar.
Furthermore, The Essenes always celebrated Passover on a Wednesday, which would have been the exact day Jesus was arrested after the Passover supper.
The evidence is fairly overwhelming.
Jesus, during his earthly ministry was most likely, an Essene.
**He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. - John 1:11**
Much love 💕
Jesus Is Lord 👑
Could you discuss the Clementine Homilies? They say vegetarian is the way also. Is the Ebonite Gospel the same as the gospel of the Holy Twelve?
The Clementine Homilies are based on the teachings of Peter. I read it years ago. I must re read it but anyone who wanted to be a disciple of Peter had to abstain from meat and Peter wouldn't sit with someone eating meat as he said it was the food of devils... it's a really great read. I know the Gospel of the Holy Twelve but I'm not familiar with the Hebrew Gospel...
Thank you for such wonderful explanation.
Why does he write Hebrew the wrong way (left to right) at 5:39 ?
The meat eating is an accommodation to carnivores who want permission in a religion that prohibits it. It is an editorial change for an allowance of a prohibition.
Prohibiting all meat for everyone isn't practical. The common people raised animals for milk and eggs. The requires you to occasionally cull the herds/flocks, or you can't feed them all. Very few, if any poor people would have been persuaded to let fresh meat go to waste.
Interesting that Mr. Tabor mentioned the Shapira scroll. Jacob Berman at History Valley interviewed Ross Nichols on this very subject today.
Awesome. Great Job
Thanks Dr James Tabor
What James Tabor also doesnt consider that in Jesus's Parable of the Prodigal Son when the Son comes back the Father orders his servants to kill a fatten calf to celebrate. If Jesus was vegetation why would he protray the Father eating meat as part of a positive celebration. He also misses out the fact that when 2 Angels came to visit Abraham, Abraham serves the Angels Beef and the Angels ate the beef.Surely Abraham would serve holy Angels the best he had.
What about the Ezekiel temple having sacrifices?
James are you the person quoted in Christpiracy who is a Christian expert and teaches about veganism in the Bible?
But what about the story of Kain and Abel which says that god preferred the sacrifice of Abel the sheperd - which I assume was meat? And what about the story in which Abraham is commanded by god to sacrifice his son and then instead was supposed to sacrifice an animal instead? Wouldn't have Jesus known these stories? Its not about what the people want, but what god appreciates in the first story and even commands in the second one.
Could the offerings by Cain and Abel be symbolic of the 2 different traditions -- Cain being Melchizedek and Abel Aaronic priesthood?
I believe so. Yet all offerings of GOD'S wisdom is spiritual and that was the growth till Christ Jesus made flesh and taught. As well as the money tithes/offerings.
Hebrew means 10 and there is more to this as Jesus never request tithes and offerings. Do you have any truth on this???
Then how could Yeshua fulfill all the mitzvot if he never ate the Passover lamb?
Brilliant. Thank you for this gentle, persuasive, non-dogmatic reasoning. Very powerful.
Another reason for using the temple lambs was that the sin wasn't fully atoned for.
They would cast their sins upon the lamb that they had raised themselves before slaughter.
How can you openly admit all of your sins Infront of the Pharisees on a lamb you haven't raised?
Therefore, they would still remain in sin.
Matthew 6:31-33
Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Are all manuscripts inspired?
What about the requirements for the Passover Meal?
A Roasted Lamb...
Yeah, Micah 6:6-8, the verses that should end and supersede all other verses. In my opinion these passages of scripture are ones you can live by and be secure in all your ethics and integrity in living.
In spanish we still say: Querías caldo? !Toma tres tazas llenas! (Didn't you want soup? Here you go with 3 full cups! 😂)
Matthew 12:11-12 "He said to them, “If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? *How much more valuable is a person than a sheep!* Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”
He has Parisim reading from left to right,instead of right to left.
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But Paul says that Jesus is the substitute of lamb sacrification. How can Paul says that if the lamb sacrication is not part of Yahwism tradition?
Eating meat does NOT start after the flood but after the fall of mankind.
Where do you think the skins that they covered themselves with came from ?
Great topic. This made me think SDAs are really on to something. Maybe I'll upload a video on it too. Thanks!
I was an SDA for a while. Not all of them are vegans but some are. But they did help me to know how to eat. The food is delicious. It is worthwhile to learn how to do the diet meeting real people. However some of their doctrines which I find important, I could not go along with.
@@courag1 I have been for 50 years. But SDA's teology is based on Jesus sacrifice.
I applaude the SDA's - they definitely are on the right track.
@@ElsjeMassyn SDA are split in two churches. One eats meat and uses weapon in war, the other is vegetarian and they not use weapon but the rest of their teachings are completey unbiblical.
@@marijapesova7358 what part are you saying is unbiblical?
Jeremiah 8:8 is consonant with something written within the Quaran. The angel Gabrial narrated this Scripture which leads me into investigating a different Paradyme. Nonetheless, I wish you could have looked at these books for study depth.
I could never see how the father of Jesus would like animal sacrifice or the killing of his creatures for food (unless it was a matter of life and death), and I can see that message embedded into the bible. Yet none of my Christian friends see it.
Amen to that. If you read the Bible carefully God didn’t say he wanted animal sacrifices, only made concessions to the Israelites, that ‘ IF they bring sacrifices then this is what should done’….. as Dr Tabor points out all the other cultures back then were doing blood sacrifices so the Israelites thought that’s how to worship.
That's because they are indoctrinated. You can't teach them anything, they are scared to not follow their pastor. Jesus had one thing right, his followers are sheep
@@ellenhomeister7374 Yahweh wanted PERSONAL sacrifices
@@ellenhomeister7374 There was human sacrifice both from where Abraham came, UR, and the Phoenicians who were in modern Lebanon and modern Gaza Strip. Phoenicians in Carthage were still practicing human sacrifice in 146BC and is not just well written about by the Romans but lots of archeology evidence.
So the Abraham story of Isaac, is a story of reform against human sacrifice.
So I think there were different degrees as to how this reform was practiced. Substituting an animal or no animals whatsoever.
A similar Reform in Greece happened with Pythagoras who was half Phoenician who was said to have been taught by Jews.
Because "God" is a violent war and thunder god. If this God commands its people to k1ll others for land, and he also kills the firstborns of egyptians, is not like he would care about animals, altrough funny enough the old testament has laws about animals.
@5:37 Parisim in Hebrew is written left to right…it should be written right to left
Yeah, my kids are learning Hebrew and I asked them "what's wrong with this word?" :)
This may be taken as rather indiscreet and off topic, but if I may ask, is Dr. Tabor vegetarian/vegan? I don’t have any special reason for asking apart from seeking inspiration for my own attempts at following a mostly vegan diet. I now rarely eat meat (only on Feast Days and special celebrations, like Christmas, Easter - can’t have Greek Easter without the traditional paschal lamb - family weddings, and the like). As with everything from Professor Tabor’s and Derek Lambert’s “Mythvision” channels, I thoroughly enjoyed this segment - thank you. Greetings from Delphi, Greece! 🌿🏛🇬🇷
I wonder what stops you fully embrace vegan diet? Especially because you have this desire...
@@gunasaulite22 - Its hard to break with family tradition: I come from a tribe of intermittent cannibals.
My family is Greek and I understand how hard it can be, especially around oxi, Easter weddings, ect. but I made the switch 10 years ago and it was the best decision I made, I do not regret it
@@milesmanges - 👍🙂 Thanks.
@@dorianphilotheates3769 I understand family roots are hard to break... and I guess you have a pleasure of the taste too.
I am sure one day when your reason will be stronger than your past- you will able to quit.
I've been vegan over 10 years, I love planet Earth, I wouldn't harm any sentient living being.
From what I understand, Canaanites were quintessential traders, so to say, "no Canaanite in the House of the LORD" is tantamount to saying, "no traders in the House of the LORD."
The Isaiah 56 is clear a put in, cause they forgot to delete the stuff right efter for it to make seense in Isaiah 66.3
3He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. Sadly they did renemer to chance it a bit in the danish version where it says you offer me and ox but slay a man.
But I can read eglish polish and Danish and felt someting of in the sprit reading it and fund out ofcose the Danish bible is just full of more "mistakes" then others. They also have taken out that animals have a soul too in the danish bibles. But God put on my heart to studie this too, and I found an old bible from the 1905 ang guess what. The just 120 year older bible has the soul words in it when spoken of animals, and even Isaiah 66.3 is as the english ones. So there new updateted bibles, offen just are more lies eeded in the word. May I ask what you think about spicifically John 21:1-14? its wird Jesus ask them for meat/fish but then they come out and he already has fish allready for them? a lot about it dosent make sence to me.. and have you heard and what do you think of the fish might have been the word for seaweed in acient greak theory? :) would love to see you talk more about the fishyness in the bible. So meny christians use against vegan christians today. They really cant accept fish diserve mercy too. But funny in the Essen texys Jesus acually speack alot agains meat eating and there is no fish eting there. but this text they dont accpt offen eather.
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This was a wonderful lecture - I've listened several times and will listen again. One question that arises: Dr. Tabor, how would you answer the person who submits that the first sacrifice was made by God Himself when He apparently 'sacrificed' an animal or animals in order to obtain the clothing with which He provided Adam and Eve after their sin?
How do we know the clothing was not made from the bark of a tree? There is
no way Yahweh killed his children to clothe his children
The story is a metaphor.
Can a Jew keep Passover without eating Lamb ?
YES, research. I was told that the High Rabbi in Jerusalem made it so and they have been pushing the plant based diet much in Israel
That idea of Jesus being a vegetarian is a little surprising. Two of his miracles were multiplying a few fish and bread to feed thousands. He also prepared fish for his apostles to feed them when they got back from fishing. Of course what he ate isn't the most wonderful part of his life. Jesus said, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him us not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one an only Son."
Many did not consider fish animals. The Pauline Christians (Macionites) were pescatarian, as well as later groups in the Middle Ages like the Bogomils who came from the same area as the Marcionites and the Cathers in southern France too.
The fact that so many early Christians were pescatarian may give a clue to the truth of it.
But also the story of the counting of the fish is the exact same story that is told of Pythagoras who was either vegetarian or pescatarian.
Pythagoras was said to have studied with Jews on mount Carmel and was very influential in the Hebrew world, for example Philo of Alexandria was called „the Pythagorean“ I think by Clement of Alexandria.
How did Jesus celebrate Passover being a vegetarian?
Hello - The fact that Jesus was vegetarian is confirmed by Mother Mary in My Son (part of the sextology of volumes in the Winds of Truth series). He also did not touch fermented grape-juice, our wine, since in those days their so-called `wine' was pure grape-juice, which was also present at the Last Supper, and upon which they largely subsisted. Books are available from the WOT Trust. Blessings - RevDrD/Ministry
Wasn"t there also ISAIAH 2?
I give you every seed bearing plant and every tree that has seed bearing fruit on it to be your food. How interesting in light of the fact that you'd be hard pressed to find a grape containing a seed in the United States today, and that "they" are modifying so many fruits to remove them.
Genesis 9 now I place all the animals under your control now you can eat them as well as green plants I give them all to you for food.
Would love to hear your connection to the Waco story Dr. Tabor!
In case you haven't seen them, there are a couple related videos on TH-cam, one featuring a panel of scholars including Dr Tabor. Very interesting stuff.
@@dbarker7794 found it! Thank you!
th-cam.com/video/s5qw0WlB-aw/w-d-xo.html
@@dbarker7794 link?
@@marijapesova7358go to Tabor's own playlists.
Mr. Tabor is on the money. Here are many of the references he used.
The Panarion: 19.1 19. The Nazarenes: meaning “rebels,” who forbid the eating of any meat and do not partake of any living thing at all. They have the holy names of patriarchs which are in the Pentateuch, up through Moses and Joshua the son of Nun, and they believe in them, I mean, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the earliest ones, and Moses himself, and Aaron, and Joshua. But they hold that the scriptures of the Pentateuch are not Moses’ scriptures, and maintain that they have others besides these.
The Panarion: The Ebionites: 4: 13And, “John came baptizing, and there were some Pharisees who were baptized, and all of Jerusalem. And John had a garment of camel's hair and a girdle of a skin about his loins. And his meat,” it says, “'was wild honey, whose taste was the taste of manna, as a cake in oil.”
The Panarion: The Ebionites 15:3 In the Travels they have changed everything to suit themselves and slandered Peter in many ways, saying that he was baptized daily for purification as they are. And they say he abstained from flesh and dressed meat as they do, and any other dish made from meat, since both Ebion himself, and Ebionites, entirely abstain from these.
Epiphanius: Panarion: Part 30: 22:3-5 And he did not simply say 'Passover' but 'this Passover,' so that no one could play with it in his sense. A Passover, as I said, was meat roasted with fire and the rest. But to destroy deliberately the true passage these people have altered its text, which is evident to everyone from the expressions that accompany it, and represented the disciples as saying, 'Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the Passover?' and he supposedly said, 'Did I desire to eat meat as this Passover with you?' But how can their tampering go undetected, when the passage cries out that the 'mu' and 'eta' are additions? Instead of saying ἐπιθυμίᾳ ἐπεθύμησα, they have put in the additional μή. Christ truly said, 'With desire, I have desired to eat this Passover with you.' But they misled themselves by writing in meat and making a false entry, and saying, 'Did I want to eat meat with you as this Passover?' But it is plainly demonstrated that he both kept the Passover, and, as I said, ate meat.
Recognitions Book 7: Chapter 6: …Then Peter, laughed and said; …..Clement, I live on bread alone, with olives, and on occasion, some pot-herbs. And as for my clothes, it is what you see, a tunic with a pallium, and having these, I don’t require anything more.”
Hegesippus on James in Hegesippus’ Book 5: …James, the Lord's brother, succeeded Jesus to govern the Church, in conjunction with the apostles. He has been universally called the Just, from the days of the Lord down until this present time. For many have born the name of James, but this James was holy from his mother's womb. He drank no wine or other intoxicating liquor, nor did he eat flesh…
Hegesippus according to Eusebius; History of the Church Book 2 Chapter 23…James, the brother of the Lord was holy from his mother’s womb; and he drank no wine nor strong, nor did he eat flesh.
Clement of Alexandria: The Instructor; Book 2 Chapter 1; And happiness is found in the practice of virtue. Accordingly, the Apostle Matthew partook of seed, and nuts, hard-shelled fruits, and vegetables, without flesh.
Epistulae ad Faustum 22:3 James, the brother of the Lord, lived on seeds and plants and touched neither meat nor wine.
Hegesippus according to Eusebius; History of the Church Book 2 Chapter 23 John never ate meat.
Eusebius of Caesarea: Demonstatio Evangelica: Book 3: 117 …This line of argument, then, being refuted, let me recur to the truth of the sacred writings, and consider the character of the Disciples of Jesus. From the mean as they stand, surely any sensible person would be inclined to consider them worthy of all confidence; they were admittedly poor men without eloquence, they fell in love with holy and philosophic instruction, they embraced and persevered in a strenuous and laborious life, with fasting and abstinence from wine and meat, and much bodily restriction besides, with prayers and intersessions to God, and last but not least, excessive purity, and devotion of body and soul.
Therapeutae: An ancient sect of monks near Alexandria, Egypt who were akin to the Jessaenes (Essenes): On the Sabbath, they left their cells and assembled in a large hall for the common study of the Law as well as for their Holy Communion meal. The oldest member of the community began with a benediction over the Torah and then expounded on the Law while all listened in silence; the others followed in turn. After this they sat down to a common meal, which was very simple, consisting of bread and salt and herbs (hyssop); and water from a spring was their drink in place of wine. …They all wore white raiment like the Essenes...
Sibylline Book 8 (paraphrased excerpt) Man is my image, having an upright reason. For him, a table pure and without blood is set. By your hand, make the table ready, and fill it up with good things by giving bread to the hungry, drink to those who are thirsty, clothes to the naked....
In the Clementine Homilies Chapter 9, the Nazarene Apostle Peter goes into great detail in regard to why Jesus and the Apostles (the Nazarenes and Ebionites) do not eat meat…it has to do with “sacrifices to idols” and “demon possession” that occurs through the ingestion of meat.
Contrary to the video title picture, he sure as hell didn't eat tomatoes! Tomatoes are a New World fruit that was unknown outside of the western hemisphere before the early 1500's C.E.
No doubt, someone will tell you that it doesn't say he didn't eat tomatoes. And that with God all things are possible.
Both true, of course, but ...
Agree.
Excellent lecture!!! What about the laws of kashrut regarding meat that are in the Torah?
Man-made laws!!
The Torah was redacted and assembled by the priests of the Jerusalem temple. And the Jerusalem temple was agora, worship place, AND abattoir for all of Judea.
We rarely even converse with our butchers anymore, but imagine a world where your neighborhood butcher was also a priest of your religion. Imagine the dietary laws they might create.
Could the fish, be referring to seaweed in the original text. Feeding thousands of people with fish that still had to be prepared would not be practical as bread and seaweed
Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.”
After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.) - Mark 7:14-19
Dr. Tabor said that the disciples asked, "Where should we prepare the passover lamb?" And Jesus said he would not eat of the passover....
To comment, and perhaps elucidate?
Starting in Luke 22:7
Then came the Day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover must be killed.
8 And He sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover for us, that we may eat.”
9 So they said to Him, “Where do You want us to prepare?”
Picking up at Luke 22:15
(During the passover meal).
Then He said to them, “With fervent desire, I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer;
16 for I say to you, I will no longer eat of it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of Gd".
(I egress to make the interjection that "it" signifies the Passover Lamb. Not just the physical lamb, but also alluding to the sacrificial Lamb of Gd who will fulfill the moed in His Kingdom).
Objectively, the passages do not really provide enough detail to support the argument of eating meat or not.
To Eat or Not to Eat... Meat!
That is the question!
However, in these passages, it does seem to indicate that the "Passover" is the Lamb, by inference, in that it must be sacrificially killed. Particularly when considering the traditional customs and ceremonial rites.
(Jokingly, ya can't kill a fruit!)
Jesus says he won't eat of it Again, and Until it is fulfilled in the Kingdom of Gd. That has less to do with the food and more to do the ceremonial significance. As well as to institute a new theological ceremony in "Remembrance of Him."
It seems logical to me,
that Jesus partook fully, of the passover ceremony, as a Jew, up to and until (but excluding) his final Passover. If not, there would be no reason for the disciples to ask their questions in the first place.
Prior to the dietary laws in Leviticus, Genesis gives the prohibition not to eat blood.
From the ancient days of old, Israel has eaten meat. Moses did, however, place certain restrictions and certain prohibition upon it. There are multiple scriptures throughout the entire Bible to support this as fact.
I see no reason why any Jew, especially from the Galilee, would not eat meat or especially fish or object to its practice. Jesus does not specifically prohibit it. In the Galilee, fish was and is a staple and way of life. Ntm. The multiple biblical stories involving fish. If they thought that it was wrong to eat fish, they would have preached against it and certainly not fed the multitudes with it.
Early Christian symbolism even included the "Jesus Fish."
(Though I do know quite a few Jesus Nuts!)
Eating meat and fish, along with fruits, nuts, seeds, vegetables, and herbs, was a part of their daily life and culture.
Their only concern was whether any of it was clean, treif, or sacrificed to idols.
The resurrected Jesus ate fish for certain. If all He ate in life were vegetables, fruits, and nuts. Why not after resurrection also?
Why fish? Why not nuts or figs?
The whole modern vegetarian interpretation, to me, is presentism. Imo it's a modern-day cultural interpretation employed to support a current modern-day cultural enthusiasm.
Thank you. A well constructed and evidenced argument. Just what I have been searching for in these comments.
And I have to say that videos like this do not help Tabor's wider credibility.
My note,
5:00 God speaks through all levels.
When He said "You made My temple as a den of thieves" the temple means both literal, and spiritual.
That is why if I search the essence (the foundation level) of His words it strengthens the understanding of the meaning at the upper level.
Why is that?
Because our (human) words are the after, we almost always forget that, believing them (mam's words) are the before.
God's words create reality, ours conform to reality.
Our (man) words operate at the surface of meanings, while His words operate throughout all levels from the foundation up to the surface.
Based on what you said about hoe Jesus and his followers felt about temple sacrifices, it makes me think that this could be one of the primary motives for priests to want him out of the way. Temple sacrifices were obviously an indispensable source of income and food for the temple priests. It’s unlikely that they would be against the idea that a Jewish man might become King. It may have been a way to get Rome to get rid of Jesus, so that the priests could avoid blame. Just supposing. It makes more sense to me than does the idea that they would be opposed to a prospective messiah.
Mitch, you are exactly right. That is how it was. The 4 Gospels we have now are corruption of the original gospels written by the Essenes. I have read the essence Gospels, and that is exactly what it says there.
@@Mihaela71100are you referring to The Essene Gospel of Peace?
Deuteronomy 12:15 isn't temple sacrifices or offerings it's, humans are allowed to kill there animals for food wherever they lived, Deuteronomy 12:15 completely destroys mention of animals sacrifice two different things
@@vampyresgraveyard3307been reading the comments here. Loving your work.
I like his observations. James Tabor's observations specifically.
Once in awhile however, he will make statements that are Ludacris. Such as his observations by about 22 minutes and 18 seconds into this video. Where is questioning why different people saw different versions of the resurrected Jesus. Or 6 I call him, because that would be his name as spoken in Hebrew.
I would posit that this is not an either or issue.
Jesus's body was not stolen in the middle of the night on Saturday night. As according to the Scripture it was being watched over by guards, they were probably Israeli guards. As at that time there were probably not a lot of Romans in jerusalem, because Jerusalem was pretty much following the edicts of Rome because all of the power of jerusalem, were basically planted there, and were puppets of the Roman system. And as long as people are following the rules and paying their taxes Rome pretty much less them do whatever they please. So Jesus was not killed by the romans, they were just there to make sure that things are kept orderly. They did not generally get involved in matters of law unless it had an effect that might make its way back to Rome. To claim that Jesus was some sort of a frail decaying dead body and needed to eat is a ridiculous statement indicates that he doesn't quite understand that manifesting himself both as having the ability to transfer himself from place to place as well as having a physical body is not beyond the realm of what we understand in physics this day. Especially now that we understand quantum physics as it's constantly alluded to in the scriptures. That Paul saw a glorious vision of Jesus and others saw a man walking along the road or even the fact that Mary didn't even recognize him at first. Are all not inconsistent with the construct of the Resurrection. The continents of Yeshua is directly dependent on the person looking at him and what their understanding of his abilities might be or what he needs to see to get the point across to them. So that they understand the capabilities of Christ Beyond they are simple understanding. I'd also like to say that I have some problems with Paul because he was sent there intentionally to work for the purpose of destroying the concepts as laid down by Christ, which makes me wary of some of his influences.
The fact that Christ, and Paul not long after the death of Christ suddenly comes along and says it's okay to go ahead and do some of this old crap that Jesus was preaching against is a point I tend to take seriously. However I'm also wary that sewing of contention is also not always a great thing. That alone can prove more destructive than is necessary. It's frequently a balancing act. But Christ did say he was out to destroy the traditions of man.
It seems that Tabor may be correct and that God is looking for devotion, not sacrifice.
I understand people are attracted to vegetarianism but what many vegetarians are coming from a city dwelling food from.farming assumption. A desert normad, a Hunter Gather society i.e the San People and an Canadian Inuit who live in an icy environment non of those people can live on a vegetarian diet without great difficulty. Christianity is for all tribes and people around the world and in some parts eating meat is a necessity.
Did you notice how the lifespans dramtically decreased when they started eating meat?
Yes. From 900ish years to 120 years. Not many people catch that correlation between God giving permission to eat meat after the flood and God reducing life span at the same time. God said he was reducing the lifespan to 120 years because of man's wickedness...he just didn't explain his prescription for doing it. Gotta read between the lines sometimes.
Yes, and look at vegans today. Most of them appear much younger in complexion compared to nonvegans.
@@chrishyde5903but I doubt that they'll make 900!
The Essene Gospel of Peace, The Gospel of the Holy Twelve, The Egyptian Book of The Dead, The Rig Veda, Atlantis Etta und Bible, Quest for the Historical Jesus, Balder und Bible and The Essene Origins of Christianity. One cannot read these books and walk away ignoring the common thread.
Christ, the Messiah, the Anointed one. The one who has been smeared. Is fresh, unpasteurized Pomegranate juice. The juice is what has been smeared from the flesh.
John the baptist refused to eat the bread because its was baked. The flame kills the life from our food. The burnt offering is the cooked food you offer to your mouth.
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But I would ask about the meals Jesus is criticized for sharing with “publicans (tax collectors) and sinners”; surely they would be eating what the King and the Caesar ate, including the best meats available to those who had the resources to afford them.
While John the Baptizer and his disciples likely ate only the simplest meals, tax collectors would likely be emulating their Roman overlords, I think.
Love this man
Mr Tabor I I have a question? How could Jesus be called in Nazarene and drink wine of grapes. And still be a Nazarene. See Jesus of Nazareth statement in the Bible is incorrect it would have been yeshua the Nazarene. Because there was no town of Nazareth until 300 ad when Constantine's mother put a church over at the building she thought was the house of yeshua. So he came from a set of the nazarenes. Him turning water into wine with also be an oxymoron because being a Nazarene he would not have nothing to do with grapes maybe drinking in his statement could be fruit juice other than grape. And the eating of fish. This would take a life as well and he would not do that.... If he is the man of that came down from heaven eating fish would also be an oxymoron... These are My views me and Jackson Snyder who is a friend of mine. Which is friends with Robert eisman
There are references to a baptismal Jewish sect of antiquity associated with John the Baptist, and the Jesus movement eventually becomes another branch of it, but not the only branch of it after the death of John. So, as with every other religious movement it diverges becoming several groups. There are many spellings of the name given to them: Nazarenes, Nazoraios, Notzrim, Nasrani, Nazoreans, Nazoraioi, Nasoraeans, Nazarenos, etc... The Mandaeans also seem to somehow be related, apparently are an off-shoot of an-off-shoot of them, with the older name of their sect mentioned in the Ginza Rabba being "Nasoraeans".
And what about Jesus eating fish? Btw God himself opened the way for slaughtering animals by the same Genesis chapter He was the first to provide with leather cloths for Adam and Eva cause all changed after the first sin.
Hi sir ,Jesus pbuh was on ministry ie preaching to the people for 3 years only unlike any other prophets who preached for 10-15-20-30 or more years after getting prophethood, so in this short interval of 3 years of time how can anybody knows full personality of a person like what he liked to eat etc, may he havent got non veg dish during this interval,he might be interested to eat ,but it will get clear when he will return in 2nd coming and completes his prophethood mission ie rest of the years of preaching apart from the past 3 years.
Are you sure it was only three years? Where did you hear that from? (I know we all hear it a lot, but is it tradition)
Show me from MMLJ that he only preached three years.
@@AnHebrewChild it's well known fact you can search it
@@coolnizam111 yeah, I've searched it before. I'm well aware of the thinking on this but those arguments, to my eyes, are non-compelling. Sorry, I'm not into the traditions of men. (Mark 7:13) I'd like to see SCRIPTURE, not Roman tradition.
@@AnHebrewChild what you think then, how many years Jesus pbuh would have preached for
@@coolnizam111 hey, I'll answer you later. I'm headed out the door right now. In the meantime, have a good one
I think Tabor is allowing his personal beliefs to affect his interpretation and source selection too much. So many people do the same so its not like he is horrible for this, but it reduces the value of this analysis.
Essene Gospel of Peace book 1, it’s very clear what Jesus ate. He was vegetarian and told people they could have the milk of the ewe (female sheep). The latter was offered as a means to prevent starvation and death through winter months where they might run out of dried fruit. The Essenes were expert in drip irrigation and growing fruit and vegetables. Even the bread they ate was warmed by the sun and not fully cooked. Some say fish was added with the translation from Hebrew to Greek to speak to the culture of the time because it’s there in Matthew but then we only hear of bread at other times.
Jesus ate the Passover lamb it's required by all jews
I think Jeremiah is referring to the PHARISEES with his use of the term "PaRiSHiM"; which is ANACHRONISTIC because the Pharisee sect didn't come into Judaic culture until AFTER the Babylonian/Chaldean Captivity during the PERSIAN Imperial period! 🤔
What IF Jeremiah's reference to the "LYING pen of the scribe has made it a LIE" refers NOT to the original Levitical Code of the "MITZVAH"/Law EMBEDDED IN the Torah; BUT to the narrative STORY traditions OF the TORAH itself "woven around" it??!!
It is MY theory, and I think that of liberal Israeli scholars such as Irving Finkelstein, that the "Mosaic" Levitical Code is actually "JOSIAHAN", dating from the reign of King Josiah when the Book of the Law was allegedly "rediscovered" in the 🏦 after his "reform" of "Judaism" from the corruption of "Paganism" by his father King Manassah, and that the Pentateuchical Torah narratives are by priestly EZRAN scribes of the Persian Imperial period when they also REVISED the "divine" Levitical Law into that of the "Deuteronomic Code". 🧐
IF John the Baptist didn't eat 🍖 (OTHER than locusts), then WHERE did he get the ANIMAL SKINS that he WORE for CLOTHING??
He simply KILLED and SKINNED the animal and left its flesh to ROT or be EATEN by OTHER animals?! 🧐
THAT'S like the issue of WHAT did Yahwah DO to get the ANIMAL SKINS HE used to clothe Adam and Eve when they realized they were naked??
God became the FIRST butcher?! 🤔
I have to CORRECT the professor on a trivial point: the pure 🥈 coins traded for in the 🏦 were TYRIAN shekels (coins of the Phoenician/ Palestinian city of TYRE); NOT "Tyrehennian"/ITALIANUS shekels of "Tyrehennia", the ancient Greek name for ITALY. 🧐🤨
WHY I think Jesus WASN'T a vegetarian is because of the several "Gospel" MISquotes of Pro. Tabor:
Jesus stated that "John the Baptizer came neither eating (🍖) nor drinking (🍷)..... " common staples of the Judish diet THEN and NOW, "but the Son of Man came EATING AND DRINKING...."
James MUST have drank 🍷 because HE PARTOOK of the 🍷 at the "Last Supper" that Jesus declared was his "🩸"! IF he was a "teetotaler" he WOULDN'T have done that!
Finally, the "Last Supper" is called just THAT because of Jesus' statement in the "Gospel of John" that "I will NOT EAT NOR DRINK this PASSOVER (referring to the 🐑 🍖 and the 🍷 of the 🍇) UNTIL I EAT AND DRINK IT ANEW with you in the Kingdom of Heaven" WHERE, according to the "Apocalypse of John" HE would BE the slain, bloody 🐑 of which ALL the "SAVED"/Christians would partake in His sacrificial Heavenly Triumph.
I DON'T see any way you could argue Jesus was a "vegetarian". He WASN'T even about KOSHER meats because he declared there were NO "UNclean" foods; so WHY would 🍖 period be OFF the list?? And the quote Tabor uses from Zachariah 14:21 DOESN'T help his case: it CLEARLY states "....that all WHO SACRIFICE may come and take of them (the pots) and BOIL THE 🍖 OF THE SACRIFICE in them."
I might ALSO add that the "Noachide Dispensation" (of eating 🍖) was actually NOT new. If people WEREN'T killing animals and eating their 🍖, then WHY did Yahwah "accept" Abel's SACRIFICE of a SLAUGHTERED 🐑 while REJECTING Cain's VEGETARIAN offering of PLANT foods?? Clearly HE preferred FLOCKS to CROPS!! 😁
And of course, I might ALSO add that it was THIS REJECTION by YAHWAH that stirred the "CANAH"/JEALOUSY in CAYN which incited him to KILL HIS BROTHER and become the FIRST human MURDERER!!
IF, as Jesus said, HOW MUCH MORE important is a Man than a 🐑, WHICH is it WORSE to KILL??
YET......., YAHWAH CANAH even TEMPTED...... uuhhheehhhh......
"TESTED", Abraham to do just THAT! 🤨😁
There is a proof: in the ancient christian catacomb of Domitilla in Rome, Jesus is represented combined with Orpheus (half Jesus-half Orpheus) - hence the early Christians were familiar with the Orphic tradition and Pythagoras, from there they got the 153 fishes and the Vesica Piscis, the measure of the fish, which has a purely symbolical meaning! Both Orpheus and Pythagoras were Vegetarians - and hence Jesus too!
Are you saying that grasshoppers don't count as meat? This is a silly contention.
Grasshoppers are certainly animals.
The locust mentioned that John the Baptist ate was most likely carob pods from the carob tree(shrub) also known as the “locust tree”. And the pods are known as ‘St. John’s Bread’. This tree is cultivated widely in the Mediterranean and the Middle Eastearn countries and is a member of the legume plant family.
Ellen Homaister, you are exactly right. I have read the Essene Gospels, and that what it says there, that John the Baptist ate from the locust tree.
Thank you thank you thank you🙏
Wonderful 'common sense' teacher :)
Passover is cleanly defined as lamb in Exodus 12.
It’s a quotation from Song of Solomon. That’s an allusion to david; …. My beloved; my david in whom I take delight. That was I believe the original allusion in the verse where he is baptized.
Originally it would have read. This is David’s son.
thank you!!!
From A - Z, James Tabor once again hit the nail on the head.
Well done and bravo !!
I love our Vegetarian Jesus (the other one - the meat eating one was created by the Church - I cannot identify with him and it doesnt make sense.
All the scriptures James quoted are scriptures I have been researching.
The thread of vegetarianism makes sense from Genesis to Revelation.
I have also read in Revelation 22: 2 &14 --- Those that DO His Commandments will have the right to the Tree of Life which is in the Paradise of God.
Also Revelation 2: 7 same passage.
What is amazing is that ITS LEAVES are for the HEALING OF THE NATIONS.
A very clear indication that beginning to end God expects us to be vegetarian.
So obviously you reject the Pharisaic founder of the Romans' church. ie "#13"
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YES, eating cadavers was never the human(e) diet...thank you
Wrong jesus is the one who created the church
Are fish and lamb not meat? Is there not references to the consumption thereof by Jews of His time?
Fish were not considered meat in ancient times, but also by the Catholic Church on Friday and lent.
@@matthewkopp2391and lambs are ... vegetables?
"Plant based diet is taking over"...about 84% of vegans who became vegans quite,because of health issues.
Not that your assertion has so much to do with the point of this video, but I have known several people who have had to mitigate their veganism because of the health issues created by their diet.
Of course I realise that this is merely anecdotal evidence based on my experience but then, I see no credible source for your 84%.
A study from 2016 "faunalytics study of current and former vegetarians and vegans" @@BroonParker
Well it’s a good thing that being vegetarian is different from vegan.
Plant based does not mean 100% plants, it means one bases the majority of their diet with plant food.
Those that lusted after flesh ate quail and died.
Num 11:19 Ye shall not eat one day, nor two days, nor five days, neither ten days, nor twenty days;
Num 11:20 But even a whole month, until it come out at your nostrils, and it be loathsome unto you: because that ye have despised YHWH which is among you, and have wept before him, saying, Why came we forth out of Egypt?
Num 11:32 And the people stood up all that day, and all that night, and all the next day, and they gathered the quails: he that gathered least gathered ten homers: and they spread them all abroad for themselves round about the camp.
Num 11:33 And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of YHWH was kindled against the people, and YHWH smote the people with a very great plague.
Num 11:34 And he called the name of that place Kibroth-hattaavah: because there they buried the people that lusted.
I was thinking they died. Thanks!
They wanted more meat than what the Lord provided them in the first place.
How would Jesus avoid the Lord's command to Noah and teach that kind of doctrine to the followers? I don't know if John the Baptist taught no meat to his followers? He did his job prepared the way focusing on repentance as that is always every generations problem of minimizing the importance of the bible ritual of repentance. Water baptism got going and seems to lack the power as folks don't repent like Job , etc. So why get tripped off into the meat issue?
The first Christian writings are the letters of apostle Paul and he didn't mention jesus forbids killing animals for food and eating meat the gospels of Mathew mark Luke John didn't come in until after the letters of apostle Paul.
Hmmmm then they didn't eat the Passover?
You can eat Passover meal without meat
Luke 24:42-43 (KJV) And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
And he took it, and did eat before them.
You do not know...sacred bread was in the shape of a fish. Baked bread would have
been referred to as 'broiled", and served with honey. Fish does not go with honey.
Much in the bible was left out, and much was mistranslated and altered.
Exactly. He ate fish. He would have followed the Leviticus laws of clean and unclean forbidden food laws which included animals. Term vegan invented in 1940s
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@@Indigo309 Early vegetarians were called Pythagoreans.
Yeshua, the LAMB of god and prince of peace, did not eat the dead. He was an Essene as his whole family also was.
He was crucified one week after he freed animals in the Temple of Jerusalem, where they were being sold for SACRIFICE. He was an original animal rights activist.
@@rachelgoodkind6545 slaughter animals for food isn't sacrifice the bible says or teachers the different between a sacrifice and slaughter for food, sacrifice and slaughter for food isn't the same.
@@vampyresgraveyard3307 Humans ate sacrificed animals, and also ate slaughtered animals. It is essentially the same. God has no interest in the blood of bulls or lambs or animal slaughter/sacrifices. Imagine, killing Gods' children and thinking God is pleased...Different words as excuses. but they are both doing the same thing, taking the life of an animal that does not want to die. Please watch the documentary "dominion".
Genesis 9:3Everything that lives and moves will be food for you; just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you all things. 4But you must not eat meat with its lifeblood still in it.
He already went over that. What is more important… what God permits in this fallen world, due to the hardness of our hearts… Or God's PERFECT will, as clearly stated in Genesis 1:29-30 and the prophetic scriptures about the future restored world? God's perfect will is peace and harmony among all creation....not bloodshed, violence, selfishness and gluttony.
@@LiveMercifully gluttony is eating too much that's any food that includes fruit, vegetables, nuts, meat, lollies ect
@@LiveMercifully exodus 12
You can call me a master of the obvious, but I gotta say it: Professor Tabor really knows his stuff - and, as an added bonus, he looks like Democritus (not my Uncle Democritus who runs the souvlaki joint down the street from my place, the old atomist Democritus).