Were the Ebionites Heretics? Or Our Best Witness to the Jesus Movement?
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- The ancient group of Jesus followers referred to as the "Ebionites" were slandered, damned, and declared heretics by the mainstream Christian Orthodox Church Fathers. In this interview with Derek Lambert, host of @MythVisionPodcast , I argue that they might well be one of our main clues to recovering what the original followers of John the Baptist, Jesus, and his brother James were all about. I explore the various uses of the term "Ebionite" and try to problematize any quick and easy categorization of the diverse nature of the Jesus Movement in late 2nd Temple times. The use of dichotomous categories like "Jewish Christian" or "Judaeo-Christian," or even Nazarene and Ebonite--as they come to be used in later times by the Church Fathers--and even in modern descriptions, are all misleading. Here I offer a counter approach, and with a very few others, connect the Ebionites to the mother Jerusalem Church of James the Just and his followers--with Paul's relationship to the earliest moment left ambiguous due to his imminent apocalyptic expectations.
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This is fascinating. Have I missed the latest news about that upcoming course on Mark's gospel? I'll bet a course from Dr. Tabor on Paul would be an eye-opener for sure. Probably have to be a series. Anyway....
No the course on Mark should be released by the end of this week. I will blast it all over--so no worries, you won't miss it!
@@JamesTaborVideos Thanks.
Content is immersing you could speak on this subject from now till end of days. Some perspective here provided are new. Dreams are very subjective but my contention with Paul
has been greatly resolved and this lecture added further proof.
Paul through the divine spirit of the Holy one sent Yeshua's message in quantum speed to the Roman world. James didn't do that according to gospel the temple was already set for crushing,
Paul's training and preparation made way for answering Roman world in some ways we might partially have Steven to thank for Paul's redemption because he forgave them. I don't digress.
Try not to mess with the Doctor. He is our prophet or heck if ya' want to get technical our Messiah. So show some respect! G'day gentlemen.
@@JamesTaborVideos is Islam right about Christianity?
Please write a book about the Ebionites!
No, write a book on the planets, sun and moon
Yes, please! Ebionites.
Dr. Tabor, you were supposed to be retired! I think you've poured out more new work the last few months than the previous 2 years! And you just got back from Israel. I've really appreciated your lead up to the Resurrection. I'm a fan for life.
Fascinating and informative,
thank you, Darren and James.
I find it tragically ironic how after the Last Supper Christianity has been all but humble. And it has been very effective at writing James out, one has to admit.
Im loving what you bring to the table @James Tabor. Thanks
This interpretation you give of "this is my meat, this is my blood", really blew my mind! Never heard of it, yet it makes so much sense!
The greatest challenge of this world is knowing enough about a subject to think you are right, but not knowing enough about the subject to know you are wrong…
Yes, the best questions are hard to answer. The best answers are unfinished.
Just enough info in your comment to be unsure of who you're attacking... nice
James Tabor - I have to buy your book.
Youre facinating
This is really exceptional theory here. The later Paulines no doubt added chapter 21 to the Gospel of John and changed the beloved disciple to John because of Paul's conflict with James mentioned in Galatians, and then wrote John's Revelation in like manner to counter the Apocalypse of James which was written first.
fascinating commentary, professor. thanks for the posting.
This is particularly fascinating.
Following the recent focus on the gospel of Mark, I'm just now starting to check out the gospel of Matthew for comparison, so this is all really interesting additional stuff.
fascinating commentary, professor tabor. thanks.
This is amazing, I have so enjoyed my recent introduction to the work Dr. Tabor. The one question I have so far is that regarding the Ebionites, the group led by James, and/or any basically non-Pauline followers/groups of Jesus, what was the purpose of his resurrection?
I love your work and thank you dearly Dr. Tabor!
Is this dude a believer himself or is he only approaching these topics as agnostic scholar?
@@Mika-El- He is a man of faith and has spent decades doing research on site in Israel and in studying the texts in a depth. His work is far above the common.
The greatest challenge of this world is knowing enough about a subject to think you are right, but not knowing enough about the subject to know you are wrong. He can help you over exactly this hump.
If a person does not understand the context of who, how, when, where, why, and the backstory there is a huge potential to blindly believe a weed faith. There is wisdom in understanding the context of those who lived the life of the faith before the modern world began to spin it into a different context than what is was by those who lived it.
@@clarice1001nights Thank you, I deeply appreciate your answer. I will klisten more to him. That he is a man of faith and yet shows so much integrity and fidelity to truth rather than dogma is a good sign of a fruitbearing tree.
I am a swedish man praying for to be shown the heart of 'christianity' and there is just so much contradictions and slander and surprisingly lots of blind faith out there. I thought this would be a pleasurable and fairly easy path but no. The academics are generally not searching/researching with their heart bleeding for truth, and the religionists are generally not searching for truth with full independent reason. Few are those who do both and balance them properly.
I feel this mysterious pull and...yes, love...towards the essenes, the valentinians, original templars, cathars, the great and almost killed saints like Eckehart or Juan de la Cruz...
Just finishing your book The Jesus Dynasty, thank you for writing that.
This was delightful
You do great job sir 👏👌
Amazing insight…
Wonderful video. Thank you so much. I think it's so important to emphasize the fact that the Jesus movement was Jewish. It's amazing how that gets lost yet it's so obvious.
I would love for you to expand on this to include the Elcesaites. What is the Mandean connection?
Was Simon Magus also a follower of John the Baptist and peer to Jesus? If Morton Smith's work has any credibility, how does this tie in?
So many questions 😅
I feel I'm definitely becoming a converted Taborite!
I'm reminded of Lloyd Bentson's takedown of Dan Quayle in the VP debates of 1992. "I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you are no Jack Kennedy."
Why are you reminded of that instance?
@@yahweh2787 Tabor says the response to Paul saying he saw Jesus was, "You saw him in a dream? We actually KNEW him."
Do you think Lloyd was actually there with the hookers?
@@PrometheanRising Do you think the apostles were?
I'd love to hear more detailed and longer episode on these guys the poor ones and how they are different from the essenes and location and archeological evidence of these guys if any....I think I might be an Ebionite and don't know it 😊
At 7 mins.. the interesting thing is that Paul DID call himself least in the kingdom, ""
Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints"" Ephesians 3:8
You’re right. That’s interesting!
Whats more mind boggling is thst his name was Saul, changed to Paul...and guesd what (paul) means? Little one or small one
@@Kdomi98 yep that's who he is 'the least one' ... but keep in mind, his name was never CHANGED by anyone. there is no bible verse you'll find that says God or anyone else changed Saul's name to Paul .. Paul was always his name, cause he was born a Roman citizen and Paul is a Roman name,, however, when he was in Judea around Jews he would go by the name "Saul" (a hebrew name, to not emphasize his roman name) . . remember he said 'to the jews i became a jew' , 'to the greeks as a greek' .. his two names just meant he was a two faced person
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It's still his more popular name.
It's as if jesus prophesied that he will be known as the little one, which is what paul means
@@Kdomi98 the thing is, pretty much all christians are "the least" being most chrsitianity is just an invention of Paul. Most are anti-torah and are apostates, therefore they ALL will be called 'the least' by those in the kingdom of God, matthew 5:19
Dr Tabor, you should collab with Justin Sledge on Esoterica about Early Christianity. His channel is very interesting.
As usual, thank you so much for your work. In this piece about the ebionites, did you mean loosENing the Torah? In England we say loosening, maybe in the US there is another verb. The important thing is of course, if I understood the meaning...
Jesus himself & 12 Disciples were Hardcore Ebionites..Jesus condemned The Pharisees/The Tribe of Judah(Benjamin) because they became Babylon or become Rich and money Tree eaters of the Money Tree of the Kingdom of Babylon, able to financed in building the 46 years to build Temple...Do you think his mother Maryam(Mary) was poor? Why do you think 3 Magu/Magi kings of the Far-east have to visit Mary?..Mary was not poor at all ,she was a rich woman from the lineage of Javan(Ionian) maritime sons of Javan who colonized Maguindanao from the words Mag-dala, Magu/Magi and called The Queen of the South(Mathew 12:42)..Maguindanao is the Island of Pateo(transliterated as Patmos) & Promise, where John & Mary(became mother of John Revelator) settled after the destruction of the 46 years to build Temple..Maguindanao is the Dwelling place of the great Eagle of Revelation 12:14.
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The John who wrote the Gospel was the same John who wrote the Apocalypse in Patmos. John's Gospel is the only Gospel without an end-times narrative of the Old Covenant age. Why did he leave out the end-times in John's Gospel? Because the same John wrote the book of Revelation as his end-times narrative of the Old Covenant age.
@@yolandosoquite3507 you know allot. Do you have any recommendations on history books or sources?
Thank you
I was watching one of his videos recently and he made the statement that there were some writings that the New Testament quoted about a 1000 times. Can someone please tell me the name of these writings as I have already forgotten before I had a chance to look them up. Thanks very much
Thanks!
Where can one access these Ebionite writings?
Nowhere they are liers. The gospel of the hebrews which the apostolic fathers mention is not the one ebionites used.
@@RaananZayith The Ebionites and Nazarenes were the 1st Christians lead by James the Brother of Jesus. One could say that the heretics would be the churches of today since they adopted many pagan customs. As for Ebionites and Nazarenes, the Nazarenes were probably closer to the teachings of the Apostles. Ebionites didn't believe in the Virgin Birth and regarded Paul as a heretic
I thought it was Iranaeus who wrote "Against the Heresies," not Epiphanius.
Correct actualy 70% of what he says is wrong. Hes just making content...
The Ebionites and Nestorians where probably the origins of Islam writings, wich means "according script" in Aramaic, latest discoveries show.
That’s why Muslims follow the true message of Jesus unlike Christians
The theory goes among Islamic scholars that Mohammed was part of the Ebionites.
But the problem is that they also are based in Gnostics
@@Iron_Ottoman That doesn't fit completely, because the |Koran has many Gnostic theories about Jesus.
The gnostic elements in the Koran come from several christans groups and sects that are deeply connected to the gnostic theories.
Espc. on the crucifixion you seen something very weird in the Koran. Jesus appears there as some kind of superman. Some scholars things that is a very twistes way to explain that Jesus is the real exalted servant of God
@@Iron_Ottoman the problem is that the qur'an does not have a message of Jesus cause the writers change the Aramaic into Arabic and with that the meanings of the words have changed. 1 example is mohammad prophet Isa, son of meryam.
Keep digging professor this stuff is great. Soon we will realise just who Jesus really was and just how much of a threat he was to the other major Jewish castes (wether or not he had been annointed a messiah/nasi) during the time that his family dynasty survived. I'm just a history fan and your stuff really gets to the true facts that we can build a credible picture from.
Jesus was the new name given to John the Baptist when he was born again of the fathers spirit. Phillipians 2:9-10, Isaiah 62:2. The gospels were written as allegory about these two dual natures that all born again Sons have.
@@RoseSharon7777 I'm not disagreeing with your statement as it's hard to say exactly what the motives behind the Christian Gospels were. However, it probably is not a good idea to mix the old testament texts with the new testament texts like Isaiah for example. This is because we do understand that the old testament texts are all about Judaism and Hebraic customs. The Jesus or Christian movement is not considered by them as congruent even though it's progenitors were also Jewish. This is true of many Jewish sects at this time including the later muslim sect which also claims credibility by quoting old testament writings as portents of its Qur'an writings. All the best.
@@robsellars9338 The OT tells us exactly who God is and who we are are to worship FOREVER AND EVER as God. As well it tells us about the apostate church of the future. I beg to differ with you.
@@RoseSharon7777 what do you mean it was the new name given to John the Baptist if you don’t mind explaining? I thought John the Baptist and Christ Jesus were more of an allegory in some way to Elijah and Elisha.
@@RoseSharon7777I thought that for a long time myself(that John the Baptizer was the best candidate to be historical Jesus). But I now understand it differently because it’s reflected in a lot of places Rome was subjugating where someone has to set the stage for the big hitter. Because previous apocalyptic messianic movements had been super conservative and John was a transition maker. John was like the herald of Jesus. I’m not exactly a Christian but I’m down with all the champions of the subjugated.
as a Muslim
that makes me understanding Islam more clear
now i think our text talk to people have already a knowledge about all of that
so it seems little bit mysterious for us
thnks
What's the thumbnail from? Looks like a Hebrew New Testament with commentary?
I’m curious (and maybe hoping this comes up as a video topic some day.): Do you know of any archaeological support for the existence of Zoker and James, the grandsons of Jude brother of Jesus as attested by Hegesippus via Eusebius? Specifically (of course) any remains that could be compared genetically to the remaining matter from the James/Jesus ossuaries?
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Interesting that Dr Tabor mentions Clementine literature as having Ebionite origins. The first epistle of Clement to the Corinthians is very early “Christian” writing and in Chapter 36 he quotes the Ebionite Matthew verse from Psalm 2. You are my son. This day I have begotten you.
Was this verse erased from the NT because of its association with the heresy of adoptionism?
Fairly complete understanding.
There are a couple of points to be made, the Ebionites represent the fate of the Evyon after 63. At that time the church of Timothy of ephesus can no longer be said to be Jewish, there is a rather formal break. Also a decade or so later the Jews rejected a dozen or so messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazarath. So those among the followers who consider Jesus a Christ, they are not within Judaism longer. I happen to think many of them did not.
Intriguing and convincing. 🤔 ( Green Fire UK ) 🌈🦉
I haven't watched yet. Is the essenes and Ebionites the same People. Thank you
Dr. Tabor, is the Ebionite version of the Lord’s supper preserved in the lamb-less version we have today? Is Jesus becoming the lamb himself part of their theology or was that something added by other Christian groups?
The lamb analogy is ridiculous.
First, it was the smoke that God accepted from sacrifices. A lamb is an adolescent sheep,
Jesus was in his 30s. In the Greek context "lamb" is generally female. Lastly the sacrifice had to be without blemish or injury and washed.
I can present a 3-year researched case to demonstrate and show that all of these characters people are talking about as if they're separate individuals are all the same biblical critter Johns, James Peter Paul (and all the multiple Simons)
Blessed are they, Epiphanius.
Ebonite are the most closed to Jesus, seems they did know what James Tabor found! I must recognized Paul studied in Mesopotamia what was about the apocalyptic knowledge from Jesus Christ, but he modified the Jesus teaching, wich was the prepping message for apocalyptic times to come. This would not be a problem , but now we are at this apocalypse, so Jesus message is more useful than Paul Revelations, because we know Paul was right in his studies, but Jesus will be the road to go on.
So I read Paul differently, now, with your explanations, James, thanks🧡💚🙏
The Romans tried to do with early Muslims the same thing they did with Ebionites, but Muslims fought back and conquered them instead. I do think that is why Allah ordered Muslims to fight back to defend themselves and protect his message, and not repeating the same defeat as happened with James and Early Christians by the Romans and Paul.
Allah says in the Quran:
"39. Permission is given to those who are fought against, and Allah is Able to give them victory.
40. Those who were unjustly evicted from their homes, merely for saying, “Our Lord is Allah.” Were it not that Allah repels people by means of others: monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques-where the name of Allah is mentioned much-would have been demolished. Allah supports whoever supports Him. Allah is Strong and Mighty. 41. Those who, when We empower them in the land, observe the prayer, and give regular charity, and command what is right, and forbid what is wrong. To Allah belongs the outcome of events." [Quran 22: 39-41]
Is this related to the idea of, the "Eternal Sonship of Christ"?
This day I have begotten you... why do I know that from somewhere and sometime and having a voice attached... My God, My God Why Have I Forsaken you, Be not Woeful Who Gives Suck, not for Me For You Did Righteously. Why Is It So hard to stand?
What's the manuscript in the thumbnail? Thanks.
Looks like the Catalin Hebrew Gospels
@@MinisterRedPill You can read it?
@@MinisterRedPill you mean Catalan (i.e. from Catalonia)?
I enjoy listening to your videos, James. I am trying to find answers to questions that are burning inside me. I joined a Christian church a couple years ago. I abruptly quit that church ( Church of Christ) and I quit being a Christian. I found the Bible to be sexist and demeaning to women. Is that true? To me, Eve is portrayed as being cunning and disobedient. The passage in Ephesians that states wives submit to your husbands which tore me up emotionally so much that I quit Christianity. Is there any religion that treats women and men as equals? I do realize, that someday I need to find it in my heart to forgive the Christian church and the Bible. I guess that is what draws me to your videos. I am trying to see the good in Christianity. I am beginning to think most religions were designed by men for men. If so, what can a woman do who wants to grow spiritually?
And designed by cis-straight men for cis-straight men at that.
As you get older, you realize spiritualism is a waste of time.
@@yahweh2787 Got to admit, I was just thinking about that topic this morning. Being kind, having compassion for others, giving hugs and smiles gives testimony to who you are as a person more than any religion or philosophical tradition that one can adhere to.
@@beverlybelcher3423 I agree 100%
About "wives, submit to your husbands." Right after that is a verse instructing husbands to die for their wives, and before that is a verse telling both to submit in love to one another. Society at the time was patriarchal, it just was. Men and women had their supposed roles to play within that, and Paul doesn't really argue that.
That said, Greco-Roman society had a distorted view of marriage. A marriage was more of a political/economic arrangement. Extramarital affairs were common, expected, and pretty much encouraged on both sides.
At least in that regard, Paul is pulling a complete 180° on his gentile audience and saying a marriage should be two people who actually love and are devoted entirely to each other. When you understand the context of his time and place, much of what Paul teaches is taking the prevailing social and cultural norms around him, and turning those on their head.
The Dove, symbolically speaking, was a well-known ancient representation of the goddess......
(And Paul was an overprivileged rich herodians. Even "Josephus" says so)
There is a 4th century synagogue mosaic that depicts the ebionites as warriors opposing the Nicolaitans.
sons of light vs sons of darkness, fascinating stuff ; huqoq elephant mosaic.
I find it interesting what is assumed about James, when he speaks of “The Law” he puts it like this…“For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it. For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty.”
James 2:10-12 ESV
I think it would benefit us all to find out and fully understand what this “Law of Liberty” is that James speaks of here.
The law of Liberty is the law of Christ. No one is bound by the law of Moses and Jesus didn't die to yoke Gentiles to it. The Torah was given to Israelites under the first covenant. No one could keep the law. Only Jesus kept it perfectly. He fulfilled the demands of the law perfectly. We are under grace, not the law
In the new Testament the same concept is referred to 3 ways. In Rom.8:2 it is the "Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus". In James 2 we see the "Law of Liberty". and in Galatians 6:2 we see "The Law of Christ" . It's focus isn't what is written but what the Holy Spirit has/is performing in us and guiding us too. Walk in the Light and reject the fruitless deeds of darkness brothers/sisters. @@ShamelesslyRed
ACTS 15: Peter is the MOST VOCAL one VS the Law, as "why are we going to lay the Law down on the (Antioch Christians) When WE OURSELVES HAVE FOUND IT A BURDEN and UNABLE TO KEEP!!~ So much for this Paul vs Peter debate! Paul and Peter were shown to be of one mind! So they agreed to leave the Antioch's alone (as there was silence- a sign of agreement) UNTIL Mr Bully- JAMES_ Stands up and slips the Law on them...
The video edit is hilarious. Just a suggestion: there is no point in showing the interviewer if he is just listening.
Is it true that a group of them accepted the virgin birth?
The ebionim are mentioned by name in Galatians and other letters. They’re the main focus in Jerusalem
James Tabor, Could the lines cloth given to the slave boy in the gospel of Hebrews by the lord be a reference to And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him: and he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.
- Mark 14:51,52
To me, without the additional info supplied by Secret Mark, this certain young man is presented as a rent boy (as if there would be rent boys active in and around the Holy City on Passover Week!). But with Secret Mark he is upgraded to being Jesus's newest disciple, and he gets to wear a robe in the empty tomb at the last scene in Mark.
Brilliant. Love mercy, act justly walk humbly with the Lord your God ( micah) . No need for metaphysics, bit like the ebianites.
I am curious if the current Church of the Nazerene traces its origin to the Nazerenes
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They were all just as crazy as people are today... it's beyond me that people still quibble over all this
With all do respect, the bit about the vision of who saw Christ seems a bit out of place in the text. As if it was added at a later time. Plus, we have 2 different accounts of these texts. Recognitions seem more plausible to be close to the original- if it already isn't.
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In Matthews gospel chpt.4, Jesus is led in the wilderness to be tempted (or tested by the adversary) is it possible that a group like ebionites or essenes or trying to qualify ' the teacher of righteousness'.
Yes! I think an Ebionite wrote Revelation, with Paul as the Beast, and also the Didache which excludes the symbolic, Mithraic cannibalism of "The Lord's Supper". Plus, the Ebionites rejected animal (and it still needs to be mentioned, human) sacrifice, because it ends up being a substitute for true salvation through repentance, as both John the Baptist and Jesus taught.
And your imagery of the dove nesting on Jesus' head, quickly brought the probable Sign of Jonah (trans. "dove"), to my mind, which is most likely the enigmatic symbol on the Talpiot Garden Tomb
FINALLY someone understands belief in blood sacrifice is Satanic doctrine! No way God would allow Messiah to suffer a horrible death so humanity would be "saved" from sins, repentance in prayer has ALWAYS been the way to redemption because its spiritual and thus of the God! Jesus and John weren't the only prophets who preached salvation through prayer, every prophet before them did as well!
Yes. The abomination of desolation is Paul's gospel. The Hebrew Matthew by George Howard. Preaching Jesus Christ dying for sins is the abomination of desolation. Jesus Christ was made up in the mind of Paul.
@@donaldchollar2033 Nothing better exemplifies the pagan nature of Jesus' supposed "sacrifice" than that old gospel song, "Washed in the Blood".
Your knowledge makes very little difference though. Most Christians know nothing when it comes to history or theology. Most Christians believe that Jews cannot atone for sin without sacrifice (a completely false claim).
It was John the beloved apostle of Jesus who wrote it.... who became a friend of apostle Paul.
I can't understand his English pronunciation of "losing" or is he saying "loosening". It is all about how the letter S is sounded in the word.
Are they the same as the Jessaeans ?
A little confused. I am quite sure that we have strayed too far from the OT and the way Jesus lived. But I am quite hesitant about rejecting anything clearly spelled out in the Bible.
About the pre-existence of Jesus- what about the first few verses of the Gospel of John?
As far as the virgin birth- it is right there in the Gospel of Luke.
Some of these views would make sense to my human mind, but if they are contradicted by the NT, it seems rather risky to believe them.
Preexistence means there is a Mind of God, and before Creation in the material sense of matter caused by unseen powers, the mystery of God had a foreknowledge of all humanity with a mathematical calculation that is like a knowledge of the names and the souls of people, before they arrive in time and space as corporal human beings. So all that exists has both a Memorial in hindsight of any creation, or acts of corporal materialism, that is ethereal or abstract that predicts that time is itself only an illusion, that the material world is not fundamentally real in itself, but unseen causes beforehand and after the fact of any event is the cause so that a past eternity is no different than a future eternity , that all times are really existing together as a singular moment given to divide itself into events that belong to once cause only and so any human being who ever lived, has some line of reason drawn from eternity to it's presentation , so we all are part of a eternal cause, which we have titled as God. Thus we existed before this world began, we exist after this world ends, and to what exactly we owe our existence is outside of time and space, a strange place called Heaven.
Fascinating fantasy.
@@andriesscheper2022 We think because we are able to, we think therefore we exist, the very aspect of Judgment based on the ability to think matters over, is sufficient theory of substance to title such behavior as God. If the Universe existed and if it emerged out of eternal matter, but it cannot think it does not befit the title and meaning of God. But whatever can impose thought leading to determinism and as a judgment upon matters, the one who has this ability is God. From the very earliest times the idea or term of God meant a JUDGE who is titled by a Tribal Office using a Law or system of practice , socially to determine the outcome of any man's fate, such a person is God. Communists deny God because their entire purpose is to be the God of the State, and so their Cult is Divine, and the People are but slaves. That is why they won't respect any other God but the State, because the States empowers the elect to play God, and make any final judgment upon the welfare and survival of humanity. Communists are then of the Devil. Caveat Emptor.
Are you aware of the recent discovery of a tomb called the Salome tomb? And what is your opinion on the matter?
It appears YEHOVAH never intended for any person nor group to do it perfectly so that in the restoration, He benefits all by His grace and Hus mercy!
Dr Tabor are you a Unitarian christian?
I will speak for him that the truth is Unitarian and the Greek myth and Constantian false narrative is the death and resurrection of a god. False narrative the Greeks and Romans would accept but no Jew would.
Ebonite and Essene the same? If, so why name change? Is it a language thing, or two terms for the same people? I.e. Phoenicians did not call themselves that but the Greeks called them the purple people. Jesus vs Joshua?
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Peter does speak of Jesus being eternal as well as Paul…“Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully, inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories.”
1 Peter 1:10-11 ESV
Here Peter is telling us that the “Spirit of “Christ” influenced the prophets of the Old Testament. And, in 2Peter he declares this…“For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.”
2 Peter 1:21 ESV
Peter is showing the working of God, the Holy Spirit and Jesus as interchangeable in the influence of Prophets in the Old Testament.
Yep!
This was terrific. A perspective I had not encountered before. And such an appealing one. The truth surely lies with the Ebionites. Thank you.
Yes. This is the undistorted truth about Jesus.
nah, they give just poor light
yea the church tradition is just completly wrong lmao,what is this
Matthew 26:11 -- "For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always." People have debated the meaning of this for years, generally separating the two clauses as if they have no connection. But if you read it as "For ye have the Ebionites always with you," it has an interesting meaning. On another note, I think when the NT refers to Thomas or Didymus (the twin), it means James the Just, the twin brother of Jesus. You have to read some pseudepigraphy to get to this conclusion. The Twin Towers, 911 the birthday of Jesus and James -- Rev 12 and Matthew 1:23 -- Jesus born in Virgo. Feast of the Immaculate Conception 12/8 -- 9 months before 911. It gives a much greater meaning to 911 and why the evil ones would want to taint that day. I know people don't see unseen hands in our materialistic world but I think they exist in virtually every event. No randomness.
There are absolutely unseen hands that move the pieces around. The experiences I've had leave no room for doubt for me.
Astonishing! Except the feast of the Immaculate Conception memorialises the conception of Mary!
@@edwardmiessner6502 Yes. And 9 months after her conception on 12/8 comes 9/11.
The feast of the immaculate conception is a Catholic ideology that isn't biblical at all... 9/11 would be possibly The Feast of Trumpets 🎺 (Yom Teruah)
Before Paul I don't think there was any such thing as Christianity. In Acts 11 after Paul was preaching and teaching his own gospel and ideas for a while in Antioch, the disciples there were were first called Christians / Chréstians. Before that I think they were called Nazoreans (the Watchers, Guardians or Keepers) by outsiders, after Jesus himself: ישו הנוצרי (Yeshu Ha-Notzri). Basically after Paul things were not the same.
James is good
he is the rejected, his brother the beloved
Dr Bob is always being proven right. Love him or hate him. This might have been an episode of the Bible geek.
Jesus Was a Essene so was John the baptist, John, James the Ebionites, Essenes, Gnostics all had one thing in common They all were ascetics and were all vegetarins!
Tabor doesn’t think he was an essene bc his teachings contradicted theirs
Be' essene doesn't mean nothing... there were many kind of essene's sects..
We humans have a terrible tendency to simply ignore passages of the Bible that disagrees with our presuppositions. If you want to know what the apostle Paul thought about Jesus, just read His writings, as an example…“He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.”
Colossians 1:15-17 ESV
Paul appears to teach the preexistence and Godhood of Jesus here, I’m just saying.
Paul was often wrong
Hebrews 5: 5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
Follow Jesus not Hebrews. Keep and follow the very principles of the doctrine of Christ for they are perfection.
Who were the pious one?
When Paul says Jesus is of the seed of David, he knows it from scripture (or revelation), not from who he thought the historical father of Jesus was.
Who is that knucklehead there with you? He looks familiar...
Interesting that the Bible in genesis of course implies Adam and Eve were actually vegans; prior to leaving Eden; and then in the New Testament it does allude to some believers being vegan; avoiding meat sacrificed to idols. Etc.
The idea they didn’t beleive in the virgin birth; that is not something revealed to anyone. It was not necessarily known by his followers at the time they followed him. So if that did happen; as it says; people would doubt that claim in the early church or it was just a claim made by some people.
The Virgin birth was prophesied in the OT. Isiah 7:14
This is the way I imagined Christianity should have developed, not like The Book of Acts.
Do you believe that Paul was gnostic? Or close to gnosticism?
What?
Have you read the Scriptures? Not only the 66 books...
@@denise3033 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gnostic_Paul
Commercial ads would be much easier to tolerate if they were not injected mid-thought. They are a nuisance, and they suggest that the producers are more interested in money than content.
Not the producers, but TH-cam. Even when the producers put in a break for an advert, TH-cam will invariably insert it or them in the middle of a thought, usually when you're drawn in and the presenter is making a critical point.
I was watching so many language and history videos on TH-cam that I went Premium and it's great. I gave up other streaming services with no regrets.
I like watching these when they drop and then listening as I fall asleep. Often I watch again the next day. All with no ads.
Sha'ul didn't teach the talmidim to disregard the torah. He was trying to explain that the torah is spiritual and not physical. The reason morons accuse Sha'ul of being false is because they do not posess the ruach of Yahuah. They pretend to be reborn by God's spirit when they're really still living in the flesh. Even today, there are several groups who bind unsuspecting people to the legalistic nature of the torah of Moshe. They think they are being righteous by observing a literal seventh day sabbath, or celebrating passover, and other rituals when they aren't biological children of Israel. The same kind of people in Sha'uls time who harrassed and demeaned new believers because they were physically uncircumcised. These are the very hypocrites whom Yahusha pertained to when he said,
"But whoever causes one of these little ones (the newly born by the spirit of Yah) who believe in me to sin (fail to obey the spiritual torah), it would be better for him if a millstone were tied around his neck and he were drowned in the depth of the sea."
The hypocrites who pretend to be alive but are spiritually dead would refrain from eating pork because they believe it's a sin against God while the true children of Yahuah who possess his ruach understands that not eating unclean animals is symbolical of not mingling with people who knows that they are sinning but still continues to live so because they hate God.
Split hoof = possessing wisdom
Chewing the cud = ruminating on the teaching they've received
A pig has cloven hoof but does not chew the cud. A man who believes every teaching he received but does not analyze it to prove its truth is a pig.
A pig will also return to wallowing in mud after you've cleaned it. This is also symbolical of the same kind of man who does not ruminate on the things he believes in; even if he gains understanding, he will just go back to wrongdoing.
What is the point of changing “AD” to “CE”. Is the year today 2023 CE ?
Curent era vs anno dommini “year of our lord”
It doesn’t imply divinity of JC
بِسۡمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحۡمٰنِ الرَّحِيۡمِ
Allah اَللّٰهُ عَزَّوَجَلَّ
لَا إلَهَ إلاَّ اللَّهُ مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ اللهِ صَلَّی ﷲُ عَلَیْہِ وَسَلَّم
ٱلْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ رَبِّ ٱلْعَـٰلَمِينَ
اَلرَّحْمٰنُ عَزَّوَجَلَّ
اَلرَّحۡمٰنُ عَلَی الۡعَرۡشِ اسۡتَوٰی
اَللّٰهُ نُوْرُ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الْاَرْضِؕ
سُبْحَانَ اللّٰہِ وَبِحَمْدِہ سُبْحَانَ اللّٰہِ الْعَظِیْم
لَّاۤ اِلٰهَ اِلَّاۤ اَنْتَ سُبْحٰنَكَ اِنِّیْ كُنْتُ مِنَ الظّٰلِمِیْنَۚۖ
لَا نَبِيَّ بَعْدِي صَلَّی ﷲُ عَلَیْہِ وَسَلَّم
صَلُّوا عَلَی الْحَبیب ! صَلَّی اللّٰہُ تَعَالٰی عَلٰی مُحَمَّد
صَلَّی ﷲُ تَعَالٰی عَلَیْہِ وَاٰلِہٖ وَسَلَّم صَلَّی ﷲُ تَعَالٰی عَلَیْہِ وَاٰلِہٖ وَسَلَّم ❤
صَلَّی ﷲُ تَعَالٰی عَلَیْہِ وَاٰلِہٖ وَسَلَّم صَلَّی ﷲُ تَعَالٰی عَلَیْہِ وَاٰلِہٖ وَسَلَّم ❤
صَلَّی ﷲُ تَعَالٰی عَلَیْہِ وَاٰلِہٖ وَسَلَّم صَلَّی ﷲُ تَعَالٰی عَلَیْہِ وَاٰلِہٖ وَسَلَّم ❤
صَلَّی ﷲُ تَعَالٰی عَلَیْہِ وَاٰلِہٖ وَسَلَّم صَلَّی ﷲُ تَعَالٰی عَلَیْہِ وَاٰلِہٖ وَسَلَّم ❤
صَلَّی ﷲُ تَعَالٰی عَلَیْہِ وَاٰلِہٖ وَسَلَّم صَلَّی ﷲُ تَعَالٰی عَلَیْہِ وَاٰلِہٖ وَسَلَّم ❤
You need to go to Messianic Videos. You would learn
Something ...Paul was a Nazarene even among his Letters 7 .... Thete is a fantastic debate between a Christian pastor and a Messianic Rabbi...
Also demonstrated Jewish knowledge on Paul's context bye Rabbi Trim i think ....
Paul was a self-described spiritual chameleon willing to assume any form to achieve
a convert to his gospel. IMO this suggests he would without hesitation superficially
mimic the Ebionite, Nazarene and any other he felt circumstance warranted. Similar
in moral capacity with a typical 21st century politician in DC. As with the Ebionite, I
discount Paul and his gospel in it's totality.
What is the deal with ‘The Threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite’ and why would David want to relocate from Shiloh to Jebus anyway was it something to do with the Ergot bread and water Old Ornan was serving up “Kykion” in Greek Seems that is what k
King Solomon gave the two woman who both claimed to be mother of the same baby to determine who was the false witness warning them both that for one you this water will be a blessing the other who is lying it will call your skin to rot and fall off ie they gave that poor woman drugs laced with Gangrene *a commonly known side effect of ‘Saint Anthony’s Fire’*
NOTE:- Ergot mold infested bread is traditionally reserved for those who cannot afford to buy good bread and are reduced to eating what the more affluent majority reject - The Ebionites as “Poor Righteous Teachers” and Yesu saying “Can you drink from the cup I drink from?” As a Nazarene Yesu Yames Yudah we’re abstaining from Grapes (See Numbers Ch 6 Nazarite Oath and Kohanims Blessing) yet their WATER WAS TURNED INTO WINE this “Bread of the Poor” and Water-Wine makes a whole lot more sense if they were in reality preparing a Saint Anthony’s Fire Chalice by means of a simple cold-water ergot extraction to filter the “Wheat from the Tares” the gangrenous from the entheogenic 🦍👑🏺🏴☠️🏁📿🔞
7:1 Jesus said: The Pharisees (politicians) and the Scribes (lawyers) have received the Keys of Knowledge (God's Truth in His Books), they have hidden them (by suppressing the Truth and making up their own laws and traditions). They did not enter, and they did not let those enter who wished. 7:2 But you, become wise as serpents and innocent as doves.
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The Cathars ❤
Paul told us about remember the poor in galatian
Jesus told us about about give all the poor in mathew's gospel
I start thinking this poor are ebionites...
Sound like Salman Al farisi Sage ( history about Persian man being Zuhud/ poor christian ) and then he met prophet Muhammad SAW.
The Romans tried to do with early Muslims the same thing they did with Ebionites, but Muslims fought back and conquered them instead. I do think that is why Allah ordered Muslims to fight back to defend themselves and protect his message, and not repeating the same defeat as happened with James and Early Christians by the Romans and Paul.
Allah says in the Quran:
"39. Permission is given to those who are fought against, and Allah is Able to give them victory.
40. Those who were unjustly evicted from their homes, merely for saying, “Our Lord is Allah.” Were it not that Allah repels people by means of others: monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques-where the name of Allah is mentioned much-would have been demolished. Allah supports whoever supports Him. Allah is Strong and Mighty. 41. Those who, when We empower them in the land, observe the prayer, and give regular charity, and command what is right, and forbid what is wrong. To Allah belongs the outcome of events." [Quran 22: 39-41]
I will call myself an Ebionate Christian.