Peter Jones Reveals Major Flaw In Entrepreneurs Business Model | Dragons' Den

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  • @thomasdalton1508
    @thomasdalton1508 ปีที่แล้ว +369

    For those interested, the company was dissolved in 2020 having never made a profit and having burned through about £80,000.

    • @danielbooth5035
      @danielbooth5035 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      thank you

    • @cjm8160
      @cjm8160 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @Thomas Dalton. Thanks. I wonder how common an outcome this is? Plenty of people pitch business ideas on the Den, and then we never hear of them again

    • @DotcomDisco
      @DotcomDisco ปีที่แล้ว +34

      What about for those not interested?

    • @JewTube001
      @JewTube001 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@cjm8160 like 90% common

    • @roldanelvis2449
      @roldanelvis2449 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Hello there. From 🇲🇽 Thank you! for the information. Big fanático of Dragons 🐉 Den.

  • @GodotOfficial
    @GodotOfficial ปีที่แล้ว +218

    Touker doesn’t need this app for exercise because he just runs up and down his London office spaces

    • @jonathanm2690
      @jonathanm2690 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes :) :) that made me giggle

    • @davidallen2057
      @davidallen2057 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Touker only gets out of bed for office spaces.

  • @jellybeanguineapig
    @jellybeanguineapig ปีที่แล้ว +69

    Help me I've fallen back into another dragon's den phase

    • @natasha8007
      @natasha8007 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      SAME!!! How did we get here?!

    • @Rafflewafflez
      @Rafflewafflez ปีที่แล้ว +5

      All it took was one recommended video again 😂

    • @KevRennie-kq2fs
      @KevRennie-kq2fs 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      While eating

    • @Wasteman365
      @Wasteman365 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah I’m gonna fail my exams

  • @janlassen6101
    @janlassen6101 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    This is the First time Touker did not Destroy something.

    • @ChaarGrilled
      @ChaarGrilled ปีที่แล้ว +13

      9:17 he destroyed their egos

    • @BenjaminGoose
      @BenjaminGoose ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Why are you Capitalizing random Words?

    • @martintaylor1193
      @martintaylor1193 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He destroyed the fitness coach in the lift 😉😉

    • @nicolasmaximus2286
      @nicolasmaximus2286 ปีที่แล้ว

      Like that baby crib! 🙀🤣

  • @cedricodongo2924
    @cedricodongo2924 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Their revenue model is completely off that's what Nick is concerned about. Alternatively, they could use a subscription model where they charge the trainers on different packages depending on the users trained. They could also capture value in providing users with different trainers to choose from on a subscription model

    • @reececollison5101
      @reececollison5101 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I cant see any app subscriptions ever really working, far too easy to just cancel and they’re the first things to go when someone needs to save some money

  • @ahh1180
    @ahh1180 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Sarah exercises by walking to Jenny’s house to confirm she’s out

  • @sri198904
    @sri198904 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    i dont think it is a good idea at all, i have been doing les mills courses for 6 years and it is much easier and cheaper for the instructor/ gym to have a course room and do the courses using one sound system. How would you do the courses out doors during winter ? Also when doing zumba, the headset has to stay firm and not fall off when turning fast or doing sudden movements. If the headset stays firm it could end up hurting your head. With covid every headset has to be cleaned before/ after the course. Each headset has to be charged. If one of the headset fails to connect or loses connection, how do you continue the class ? In the past 6 years, i have seen often instructors' mic set losing connection and they just end up screaming from their lungs and the show still goes on...
    Secondly in order to be an instructor you still need to pass an exam, pay the monthly subscription at least in case of les mills to get access to the training videos/ license to music so why would someone wanna pay extra to get access to some headsets ?
    Most courses take place at gyms where they have large course rooms so acoustics is already in place, this is the standard norm you gotta go against and convince people to do something totally different i dont think anyone would be interested in this business model...

    • @joewas2225
      @joewas2225 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      "How would you do outdoors during winter?"
      Did you not hear they wanted to be global? There's hundreds of thousands of places that don't have the cold.
      "With COVID every headset has to be cleaned before/after the course."
      You clearly haven't paid attention. They don't provide the headset. You provide your own.
      But none of this matters, they dissolved.

    • @graceyeah3926
      @graceyeah3926 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@joewas2225 well they can’t be global if they can’t work in places with the bad weather/cold really can they

    • @graceyeah3926
      @graceyeah3926 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, it’s just adding many more points of failure

  • @jst5679
    @jst5679 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    So the business only works when it's not raining....you realise in England it rains everyday with a Y in it!!

    • @jst5679
      @jst5679 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't do any social media...im a traveller and i have limited Internet access most days .but thanks for the offer✌️

  • @KyleMck
    @KyleMck ปีที่แล้ว +10

    So it's a silent disco for the daytime?

    • @IAmTheJayster
      @IAmTheJayster ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Basically yeah but everyone hears the same PA announcements from the instructor over the top of it

  • @jamesDJRPM
    @jamesDJRPM ปีที่แล้ว +15

    With a title like that, you know you're in for a good watch.. Enjoy your meal, guys..

  • @johnmchugh4655
    @johnmchugh4655 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Nick was without doubt one of the better Dragons, Peter seemed to respect him more than the others who've been on the show (other than Deborah)

    • @hellegennes
      @hellegennes ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Yes. Definitely. Maybe THE best. He is not disrespectful, he doesn't give idiotic excuses for being out, he is calm, collected, knows what he is talking about. Highly educated, always on point.

    • @Paaraadox
      @Paaraadox ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@hellegennes The best is clearly Richard Farleigh. Class act.

    • @thegodcalzs
      @thegodcalzs ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Paaraadox for me, I agree. It’s got to be Richard, Nick, Peter & Duncan equal third. But I don’t want to forget the star businesswoman, Deborah. She has a “Midas touch” in businesses, especially ones she works with Peter on (they have a history of joint success). Touker is also just a great guy so he gets brownie points 😄.

    • @epargnepension2262
      @epargnepension2262 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thegodcalzs Duncan didn't invest enough to be one of the best and he understands absolutely nothing of 90% of other fields (tech, etc.)

  • @lunaskye621
    @lunaskye621 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think it would've made sense to just focus on the app but the headphones I just think was pointless.

  • @psychopassive
    @psychopassive 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like that matt smiles every time he answers a question 😂

  • @Barboron
    @Barboron ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Do it via bluetooth. I assume there's a way to, overmobile data provide the bluetooth connection details so it's still managed through an app. The trainer would need to bring a special bit of equipment to allow so many connections. But, however many connections that equipment can take, just limit classes to that many people. Easy....maybe, I don't know if it is.

    • @TheManInBlueFlames
      @TheManInBlueFlames ปีที่แล้ว +2

      But then they'd be losing business!

    • @experiment54
      @experiment54 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Better off using a wifi extender and everyone connect to that.

  • @2ndcityproductions1
    @2ndcityproductions1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks Tanya

  • @CabbageYe
    @CabbageYe ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Can't you just use Teams or Zoom for this? And instructors don't have to pay anything. Maybe I'm missing something

    • @gangatalishis
      @gangatalishis ปีที่แล้ว +32

      based on the iphone 4 model they used in the demo this probably predates zoom.

    • @jxcxbshxnkz445
      @jxcxbshxnkz445 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Zoom is inside and when carried outside, you have to rely on network connection, and data, but with an outdoor class in an enclosed space, the concept is useful

    • @MarvelX42
      @MarvelX42 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Couldn't the instructor just use a hotspot and not have to worry about coverage?

    • @sikkepossu
      @sikkepossu ปีที่แล้ว +10

      This was in 2015.

    • @christophermcdougall8811
      @christophermcdougall8811 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@gangatalishis True but we've had voip and video calling for over 20 years. Skype would have sufficed.

  • @austinpibworth172
    @austinpibworth172 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not with the weather over there ha ha

  • @JK-hj6kg
    @JK-hj6kg ปีที่แล้ว

    Seems that something is already off from the onset of the pitch also after they gave forecast 😕
    Also, not everyone who works out are attracted to classes. Some can even find a list of practical exercises they can follow consistently. There's also heaps of apps available to track your progress

  • @reesey8676
    @reesey8676 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I saw multiple flaws in the product after their pitch. There’s lots of holes which deflate it to being basically useless. Wouldn’t be surprised if they weren’t active anymore… Pun intended

    • @Lovuschka
      @Lovuschka ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They dissolved in 2020, never having made a profit.

    • @b-dogs1038
      @b-dogs1038 ปีที่แล้ว

      hey, good pun

  • @AndrewCurtis57
    @AndrewCurtis57 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Spotify, free NIKE fitness app, headphones… sorted. What a useless business proposition… … and it rains 🌧️ 😂

  • @voiox
    @voiox ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "Just" use a WiFi-hotspot the instructor carries with them when/if there is problem with people having spotty 3-4-5G coverage.

    • @TheManInBlueFlames
      @TheManInBlueFlames ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You cant have 50 people with one wifi hotspot

  • @Cryptoalexxxxx
    @Cryptoalexxxxx ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice watch touker, rocking a 5980/1R 😉

  • @bluefluke7585
    @bluefluke7585 ปีที่แล้ว

    why not just wear wireless headphones?

  • @jakecooper5855
    @jakecooper5855 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Nick should have pushed that line of questioning further! Zumba could create their own app for outdoor lessons for a couple hundred thousand, instead of signing a long term deal with these guys that siphons off 5 million in the 3rd year

    • @City.of.Rancho.Cucamonga
      @City.of.Rancho.Cucamonga ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Seemed to me like Zumba were in it just to copy them

    • @Jayrage
      @Jayrage ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@City.of.Rancho.Cucamonga Copy them? It would be trivial to create an app that does this, especially with the money that Zumba could throw at it...

  • @Lovuschka
    @Lovuschka ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can just download some exercise videos from somewhere (or watch on TH-cam) and play that without paying anything instead of streaming from their app.
    For that reason alone, I am out.

  • @pugernoufer
    @pugernoufer 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Never never never do "windmills", where you bend down and twist your back to touch your opposite hand to the opposite foot. It's HORRIBLE for your back.

  • @oldsport3368
    @oldsport3368 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    a 1:1 instructor would be a good idea, but likely exists. outdoor classes + headphones = pointless

  • @imaginerejector1429
    @imaginerejector1429 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    9:26 its not exactly like an "I would rather... than invest in this" line, but this gave me Theo vibes, even though this (and Theo's "I would rather..." lines) is something anyone could have the chance to say

  • @richardanthonygilbey
    @richardanthonygilbey ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Back to wrapping pallets for these two conmen

  • @dachronicalalittlebitofeve6630
    @dachronicalalittlebitofeve6630 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Very good app idea for fitness, in hence they would make more and more depending on how many instructors they can sign up, there is so many problems tho, what stops the fitness instructor who already does this from just keeping his customers, they can’t make money from the app, the fitness group is when they attend the instructor will tell them not to pay through the app and to pay him direct and he’ll be cheaper which everyone will take them up on, cut out the middle man after you’ve met the fitness instructor in your local area, plus it can be copied too…. Impossible to pull off.

  • @filmtorres
    @filmtorres ปีที่แล้ว

    The trainer reminds me of Sandstrom from Hyperdrive.

  • @jarednil69
    @jarednil69 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sarah Wontingham

  • @shaunohagan1491
    @shaunohagan1491 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I wish someone would go on selling crypto or nft's lol...

    • @BenjaminGoose
      @BenjaminGoose ปีที่แล้ว +5

      There's enough scams on here it wouldn't be out of place.

  • @aerotus888
    @aerotus888 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Peter hardly said anything

  • @willowwren7752
    @willowwren7752 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    3G 4G ! Oh man newer vids please

  • @markshepperson3603
    @markshepperson3603 ปีที่แล้ว

    It’s not a exercise thing, it’s a motivation thing and not a very good one.

  • @SumOldGamerDude
    @SumOldGamerDude ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m concerned they are concerned.

  • @Hasan_Piker_Fan
    @Hasan_Piker_Fan ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I miss Nick.

  • @zoeyelh
    @zoeyelh ปีที่แล้ว

    rain.

  • @callesierra
    @callesierra ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How absolutely ridiculous.

  • @amittangale1317
    @amittangale1317 ปีที่แล้ว

    i dont like app, its radio for exercise , but perter u cant say model has major flaw by saying, what happens if low coverage, same happens to instagram or facebook so ? even they are flawed ??

  • @Wuhlz
    @Wuhlz ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Right off the start, if you need the Dragons to validate your business, you most likely don't have a business worth investing in!
    If they were truly smart they would look at the AR potential of the app!

    • @sp3ckedout224
      @sp3ckedout224 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This was shot in 2014 where AR was hardly a thing …

  • @thatguywholovespandas7287
    @thatguywholovespandas7287 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Barbra from the USA called said she would love to use these will she’s out and she isn’t coming back in….

  • @markzuckermyberg5912
    @markzuckermyberg5912 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The weather is their main Danger when its Bad people stay in doors.

    • @JoabeBarbosa
      @JoabeBarbosa ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Especially in England!

  • @jamesstead2256
    @jamesstead2256 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    All that just to listen to crap music while you exercise

  • @chrisperry5244
    @chrisperry5244 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I am absolutely amazed Sarah is out. Honestly its incredible.

  • @Zeropainter420
    @Zeropainter420 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Zoomba people would love this . They pay for a PA system. Yes there are still zoomba people out there I’ve seen them on face book lol

  • @griswolds6182
    @griswolds6182 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I find Sarah so attractive, she is elegant and classy too.

    • @MEECHIO
      @MEECHIO ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Absolutely....Gorgeous woman..😍😍😍

    • @b-dogs1038
      @b-dogs1038 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can’t compare her to the delectable Rachel Elnaugh? surely..

    • @Mogamishu
      @Mogamishu ปีที่แล้ว

      But is she shaved?

    • @Mogamishu
      @Mogamishu ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MEECHIO do you think she is shaved down there?

    • @ParadigmZwei
      @ParadigmZwei ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Mogamishu Erm, why... do you care?

  • @georgeroe2690
    @georgeroe2690 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    THE PITCHS ARE AT SUCH DISADVANTAGE ONE DRAGON PUTS THE REST OFF THEM OFF

  • @oliveryoung6845
    @oliveryoung6845 ปีที่แล้ว

    The ad breaks the video

  • @Englishham
    @Englishham ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Not First

  • @larryjenson8368
    @larryjenson8368 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    tanya's well worth a punt

    • @ksspqf9
      @ksspqf9 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Take your incelism elsewhere

    • @ksspqf9
      @ksspqf9 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Take your incelism elsewhere

  • @de_struct
    @de_struct ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did someone say the B word at 01:01 ??? lolll

    • @IRTG2006
      @IRTG2006 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      “B word”

  • @Morten_M
    @Morten_M ปีที่แล้ว

    3G is one the way out

  • @MrSimonwitney7
    @MrSimonwitney7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Deborah: I don't pretend to be an expert in this field at all, but I completely understand how this concept would work, but I've just realised that what I've said makes absolutely no sense, so I'm going to use Peter's example of network coverage to get out of this one so I don't sound like an absolute plonker.

  • @dizzylilthing
    @dizzylilthing 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you think the guy grew a beard because nobody could tell them apart? It doesn't look great, it's got to be to differentiate him

  • @caio3568
    @caio3568 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    8:43 😘

  • @ianoian1
    @ianoian1 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Is it just me or does anybody else ever witness the constant negative face on Peter? He just seems to be so sad and negative all the time!!

    • @scienceevolves4417
      @scienceevolves4417 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's his tactic to get better deals...

    • @tobymacdonald5893
      @tobymacdonald5893 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      because he's skeptical until proven otherwise

    • @davidmellish3295
      @davidmellish3295 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's just his poker face,he doesn't want you to know what he's thinking

  • @aaronhurst4379
    @aaronhurst4379 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Yikes, 3G dates this big time haha

  • @davidmcloughlin6547
    @davidmcloughlin6547 ปีที่แล้ว

    Erm, just hot-spot off the trainer's mobile if you're out of coverage?

  • @paulstannard7985
    @paulstannard7985 ปีที่แล้ว

    Touker was out because he did not understand a word they said...looked confused from the start.

  • @maesc2001
    @maesc2001 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fast forward to 2022: there’s 5G everywhere 😅

  • @gerardford9706
    @gerardford9706 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nick "TheDick" Jenkins

  • @CheckDisOutpeeps
    @CheckDisOutpeeps ปีที่แล้ว

    Cringe

  • @967mviews2
    @967mviews2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Think I'd rather invest in Tanya the fitness instructor! 😍 😅

    • @ksspqf9
      @ksspqf9 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Take your incelism elsewhere

  • @Firedancer100
    @Firedancer100 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ethereum

  • @koxy333
    @koxy333 ปีที่แล้ว

    Simple solution to the network issue, wifi hotspot and local server on a raspberry pi, simple.

  • @Garycarlyle
    @Garycarlyle ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Funded by coersion but the dragons are allowed to lie out of spite.

  • @jessebella9322
    @jessebella9322 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fun fact, Touker actually took part in the London marathon 2021 just two years ago lol
    He didn't, but the number of you who would have hit google search tapping your little fingers to find that, makes me wish I just left it like that

  • @Jo65747
    @Jo65747 ปีที่แล้ว

    Waah waaah waaaaahhhhh

  • @neilpa
    @neilpa ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Looks like Barbara's out.....

    • @BenjaminGoose
      @BenjaminGoose ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yawn. Try coming up with something original.

    • @neilpa
      @neilpa ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BenjaminGoose you need to follow your own advice and stop seeking attention

    • @neilpa
      @neilpa ปีที่แล้ว

      @Michael Terrell well that's because you need to put your tampon back in