Aot sucks it promotes terrorism and military aggression Main characters are fighting in a war started by their own country(Eldia and Marley never signed a treaty, Eldia’s king just ran away to some island) Main characters literally start a military coup on the government Main protagonist (who is portrayed heroically as doing things for his friends) attacks the entire world and is thanked by his former friend(who is portrayed heroically)for his aggression and genocide
No it's start it with a fucking king of he wasn't a fucking devil and wasn't a night mare for his people if he was more forgiveing to a child and collect the dam pigs instead of going after a dam child
I honestly think isayama fucked up somewhere down the road where he just decided to change the ending to be less controversial than what he originally planned for the ending to be. This is quite plausible and actually eluded to with the retcons, red herrings, and plot holes within the manga and season 4. To be upset is very understandable. It is what it is and we got the ending we got. And with that we must take what we can from this story. Not a happy unrealistic fantasy. Not a horrific villian domination. But an unsatisfying itch of grounded reality. We must keep moving forward. In a world where conflict is inevitable. To face tragedy with strength, to love and cherish the people we have, and to fight for a better outcome. Ultimately (plot holes aside) that is what this story means based on the ending, and that's as beautiful as it can get.
@@mystery785 I think you are the first person I have seen that said the author f*cked up but also put things into a good perspective. There are a few people I have seen saying that they are disgusted with Isayama retconning parts of the story and saying that they hope for him to never pick up a pen again and stuff like that. I am an anime only but I did not find the author reconning or changing the story as much of a bad thing as some others. And maybe he did change the ending to be less controversial(although the current ending where 80% of the world gets crushed is also going to have plenty of controversy on its own). Also I don’t really find Isayama changing the ending to be a big deal if I am going to be honest, he had been working on AOT for so many years and although he changed parts of the story over time, whether because he wanted to or because of controversial parts, I think it was bound to happen. People change how they feel about certain things and he had been working on AOT for so long with a lot of the story planned out from the beginning. I just don’t blame him for changing things and at the end of the day a lot of the stuff you said is true. AOT was not meant to have a happy ending, and we didn’t get a great or perfect ending. Some people are saying that the ending ruined the whole show for them so idk how bad it was for them but for me personally, I did find the ending satisfying, and it still ties in with AOT and it’s story, some parts of how it tied in were a bit odd, like idk if Isayama could have came up with a better reason than love being the thing that was the reason why Mikasa killing Eren would be what stopped the curse of Ymir(which I still think makes enough sense to be a good way for the curse to end) but either way, I am happy enough about the ending to thank Isayama for AOT. People can say that is because I am an anime only if they want, but at the end of the day we all are able to experience AOT as well as any other anime or shows in the ways that we want. I prefer watching it as an anime, others might prefer reading it as a manga, and some are going to probably prefer both, but I don’t think we should allow the way we experience AOT to separate us into groups of who liked a part like the ending the least and who liked it the most. Maybe the vocal minorities of people that read the manga are truly all saying worse things than the vocal minority of everyone that only watched the anime, but I just prefer watching anime over reading manga, the story as well as the meaning of AOT are going to be pretty much the same(I know that the convo between Eren and Armin was changed from the manga to the anime and maybe some other smaller things). Another thing people say a lot is that manga onlys scared us by making anime onlys think that the ending was going to be bad. And while yes, the spreading of people thinking did obviously start to generate from the manga, I feel like there were probably only a few people that read the manga that started saying stuff about the ending and the internet did it’s thing and later on stuff about the ending being bad was spread far and wide to the point that it worried anime onlys and stuff like that. The thing is though that there are probably manga readers that, when reading the manga, thought that the ending was fine or maybe even liked it, just like how there are going to be people that are anime onlys that probably hate the ending. My point is that we are all going to have a mix of feelings between each individual and the medium we experience AOT in does not and should not act as a something that seperates us.
@biggamer7245 I believe last minute changes were made which cause the plot holes that are criticed by a bit of people, that's really the only thing that bothered me. I stood up all night coming up with comprehensible explanations for the things that didn't add up at first within the final episode for my own peace of mind. Overall people need to learn to appreciate things for what it is. I'm glad I'm not the only one who can take value from something that admittedly had more potential to wrap up and end everything.
@@mystery785 Yea, I actually have come to understand the ending way way more since I wrote that. Idk why but AOT is probably the first anime where I feel like I need to be able to understand the ending. Whether it was his intention or not, Isayama made AOT and it’s lore so complex and after I started understanding the way the ending was I can’t do anything but appreciate AOT more. I’ve been looking back at certain points of AOT, looking through a ton of videos that try and explain the ending(some that were about why it’s bad and some that were about why it’s masterful) and after everything that I have seen I don’t think there will ever be a day where I don’t talk about AOT as anything but a masterpiece and that is how I feel about it. I also would like for people to be able to appreciate the ending for what it is but I think that the way a lot of people react makes sense considering how massive the ending is as well as all of the misinformation and misconceptions that have been going around because the story being complicated leads to us being able to comprehend everything we are given differently as the individuals that we are. If the ending was much longer and planned out better I do honestly think that most of the controversy would not be here because the way the ending was packed together is enough to make us misinterpret a lot of it. I do feel though that as time passes more of us will come to be able to understand the ending.
@@mystery785 I keep seeing the quote that Isayama changed his ending being brought up a lot, but people seems to have missed that he basically admitted to going back on it. After season 1s premiere the anime blew up in popularity so Isayama said he changed the ending because he felt more responsible to the readers now due to the popularity. However during season 4s premier Isayama says "I think I've always wanted to hurt the reader so I thought maybe I should draw what I've always wanted, maybe that's better" The ending we got wasn't last minute changed, it was basically something Isayama always wanted to do but seemingly was too scared to do but ended up going for it anyways. The ending is foreshadowed several times in his first 14 chapters actually. However Isayamas uncertainty of his ending is probably why it feels a bit lacklustre in execution for some people, as it's something he's always wanted but was never sure off
Let’s say ur friend group in High School is constantly bullied. One of your friends of the group decided to sh00t up the school and kill 80% of the staff and student body betting you guys would talk him down for the police to nab him or to stop him yourselves, thereby making u the popular kids in school for the rest of your tenure there. To boot no one really saw it happen cuz they’re all too busy running away, dying or hiding in their locked classes. And u say aww damn man that’s fucked up but I get it dude. Better yet once I graduate I’ll join u in jail cuz besties 4 life. That’s what AOT finale basically did. What a terrible way to get a theme across of violent cycles, true freedom/free will and friendship. SMFH a 10-yr blue balls
As an American who only watched season 1 of this show and not really into anime to begin with, I am both laughing and crying that I can completely understand why everyone is so upset now. Great analogy. Other countries that actually care about their children will never understand
The only major thing missing from this analogy is that the staff at that school held an assembly announcing that your friend group are devils with poison blood and the whole school needs to join hands and sing kumbaya after they're done eradicating you... Wait that's not the only thing missing... The staff has been murdering enslaving and torturing everyone in your friend group for as long as you been alive because of something they've been told your ancestors did in an era that no one is still alive from...so... Yeah. I totally agree the ending of the show / manga is miserable to watch/read and utterly loses sight of everything that made it good though. 10y blue balls✊
The ending scene(of development and Tree) directly or indirectly said "whether ending is good or bad after some time everyone forgot the Heros and War will begin once Again". That scene made me speechless
Imo this made the ending quite compelling desptie the plotholes, i dont think an anime like AOT that so often served as political and philosophical commentary on human nature and structural impositions like the history of the eldians and the hate the Marleyan government (and all other governments) felt for eldians as a result. The fact that the ending was one that wasnt a happy ending feels accurate and in sync with the fact that human nature inevatably causes conflict continuesly.
I dunno, I like to think whoever discovered the Titan’s power again decided to use it for good. Call me an optimist, but history doesn’t always have to repeat itself
@@_______7783Exactly what I’ve been saying. What mattered to eren was two things, the safety of his people especially his friends for as long as they could live, and ending the titans. He achieved both of those things for better or worse despite all the crazy godlike power he had and barely understood, he never was trying to save the entire world. In the end he pretty much leveled the playing field by killing 80% of humanity, conflict was never going to stop and that’s where I think people watching this series go wrong in expecting things to stop once the titans were gone.
27:48 I always prefered this. I didn't need Eren to be this master, all-knowing puppeteer that manipulated his own father in the past to get him to be able to pass the Attack Titan powers in weird time paradox shenanigans. I was absolutely ok with Eren being the manifestation of all the hate the world threw against the Eldians coming to give some of that hate and violence back and Armin and Co. breaking the cycle and restoring peace for a while or at least ending the Eldian-Humanity conflict forever. Now humans could erase themselves without the intusion of giants. It would have been a more typical ending but The Last of Us showed us that you don't need an overly complicated plot to make a good story if the characters are good and I think AOT had that type of characters.
Yeah this. They flip flopped on the character every other story point. I guess to appease the shippers and fanboys. No idea. He has so many conflicts of interests and totally different goals and honestly changed his entire character in season 4 and made everything else pointless
Alternate Timeline Story destroyed AOT. Now whenever you rewatch any season, you know exactly it happened because of Eren. What a way to throw away 7 years of storytelling, great!
Problems with the ending: 1. Eren killed his mother so he could have a reason to be mad as if watching your people get eaten by titans wasn't enough. This also means that he is a bigger monster than the titans. He is the reason his mother died so he should hate himself more than titans. 2. Ymir loves King Fritz, a guy who murdered and enslaved her people, alsmost killed her then raped her and used her to kill so many of people and enslave others. He also cheated on her. Good Lord... 3. Historia became totaly irrelevant for no reason. 4. Eren wants to save his friends, but doesn't stop the titans from killing Hanji. Also, he almost murdered every single one of them. 5. The alliance has way too much luck and convenient moments. 6. Eren "doesn't want to leave the future of Paradis to be in danger". He also does exactly that... 7. Only Ymir knows. 8. Eren doesn't know why he did what he did and just wanted to see the world burn even though he had plenty of good reasons to explain his actions. 9. "It was Mikasa"... Mikasa's character is one of the most neglected characters in the entire story and then she just suddenly becomes a reason for Ymir doing what she did... absolutely 0 sense. 10. "Eren, what a man you are."
You didn't pay much attention did you. 1. Eren sacrificed his family because it was the only way things can play out as they did. He told his father to kill the Historias half siblings, and used his brother to his own advantage. Why you have a problem with him using people when Hange herself pointed out how they lost trust in Eren when he went AWOL knowing they would risk their lives to save him should have been a clue. 2. She was hunted and used long before the king did anything and it can be viewed as a unhealthy relationship even if she did love the man who are we to judge her logic when all she wanted was to be accepted? 3. Eren made it clear as day he didn't want historia to be apart of it, and didn't want her kid to eat her to inherit the titans powers. Her biggest role was to GIVE Eren time to figure things out and it worked and now that child can grow up free from being looked down as a devil/not in a repeated cycle of eating the parent. 4. Did you not see how Eren reacted to Sasha's death? Do you not think that freedom doesn't come without sacrificing a few to save the many? Hangi choose to stay behind, she choose to go out and fight and because of a series of events that delayed their take off it was not Eren's fault she ended up dying for them trying to stop him. 5. Eren killed so many friends and enemies alike that idfk what you count as lucky when Armin and Mikasa were the key into saving the world, and ensuring a cycle of hate/prejudice ends for the people he cares about. 6. No he did not. His friends and the love of his life live a PEACEFUL life. What the world and Paradise does after they are all gone is up to THEM to maintain the peace for however long they can keep it. Mankind created the likes of Eren and it was Mankind who ended the long lasting peace his death created. 7. Well she has manipulated Eren for over 2000 ywars to be free and she finally is. She knew that one day Eren would be born to free herself from her own power, and she needed to make sure Eren was groomed for the role to do it but he was scared at what he had to do to give it all up in order to save those he could. 8. No he didn't. If you listened to the songs in AoT they tell you the state of Eren and Mikasa and how it is a back and forth struggle of knowing what has to be done will destroy eachother and Eren has to prepare Mikasa to live in a life without him. Everything he has done was for her to be happy, and live the life he couldn't give her for he was always meant to do this even though he wanted to run off with her and be happy. 9. Oh my lord....Mikasa always knew Eren will DIE in some capacity for in the OVA's Eren is meant to die and Eren tried to reach out to her in the paths to prepare her. In the world he created just for her where they lived out their lives when she confessed her feelings those were Eren's attempts to reach out to her for she kept calling out his name no matter where he was. It's poetic that Mikasa went from a girl who had everything taken from her to a woman who ended up having a family, friends, and could live in a peaceful world they fought for, and the one thing she had to do was let Eren finally die even though neirher of then wanted it to be this way. 10. He is a boy when the events happen and his future self needed certain events to happen even when he tried looking for so many ways out and the only way he and mikasa could have been happy is if they sacrificed everyone even Armin to be happy with the little time they had left. However that wouldn't solve anything and Mikasa would die once Marly and the world invaded. He is the bigger man who didn't get to have everything he wanted and sacrificed few close people to him as possible in order to save everyone else and their families which is something he never got to choose because YMIR needed to be free. Please don't just hate something that is pretty easy to understand.
@@masterblaster3508everyone understands it, man-child. And it’s still a horrendous ending for way many more reason that op didn’t even mention. It’s bad. A waste of time considering how it fks the entire series since a huge chunk of it relied on “it will pay off/it’s a set up” style of writing. A potential 9-10/10 became a fat 7 at best
@@danielz-v4083 "Bad writing" Is that all you got? What is the bad writing according to you? Explain because I stated how all of his or her points were pretty easy to answer so where is your excuse or are you just jumping on the hate wagon as your response is more or less proving my point?
The problem is Eren needed to die and there needed to be a dramatic ending. Theoretically, just by having the founding Titan, Eren could have forced the Marleyans into a peace treaty by threatening them with a rumbling. Instead the author wanted a convoluted code geass ending, which didn’t land. This story was never meant to turn out happy, but nothing was achieved or gained by all of the loss. The author wanted to convey history repeats itself, which wasn’t needed directly after having the main character sacrifice himself and 80% of humans for peace. The ending seemed absolutely meaningless.
Exactly! You nailed it. Honestly, it sounds like humanity would have been better if they hadn't bothered to stop the rumbling. Which is an strange state of affairs given everything the story was building towards.
I'm not sure what happened with Eren wanting to end the "cycle of hatred". If you're going to start then go all the way. The existance of Eldians threatens the existence of humans. Zeke's solution to this was to sacrifice all Eldians and Eren's solution was (up until the finale) to sacrifice all non-Eldians. Hange's (and friends) solution seemed to be in the middle, indecisive. They were somehow going to create peace. Now it turns out everything Eren worked for was for peace as well. I don't really understand this though, because sure there's going to be peace for the near future, but what about 50, 100, or 200 years from now? It's in human nature to eliminate that which threatens your existance. And as we see in one of the ending frames, Eren's grave ends up littered with bullet casings. So war did come to Paradis after all. Eren half-assing it didn't end up doing much in the long run, so yeah im dissapointed with the ending.
I think you misunderstood the Falco part. It's not that he happened to shift and fly off. He thought he might be able to fly and they chose to sacrifice the ship in hopes he could be of use in the fight. Annie got with them because she couldn't let the kids go into war alone while she alone stood down.
falco inherited the jaw titan. the jaw titan cannot fly, they do not explain why falcos jaw titan can fly.. its just all way too convenient and a load of bs
Do titan powers really make sense? Plus the bird design seemed like the Jaw Titans next evolution sure isayama could have explained it but he did call back to it
Bro the ending had a little girl fall in love with her rapist and compared it to mikasa crossing over eren she kept the scarf masterpiece this show is disgusting also don't believe ending defenders they straight up delusional The fight between eren and his friends is so boring because there s nothing at stake we know eren is holding back it's just make the titans on his back look stupid
Eren isnt holding back AT ALL,you completely misinprate him,if you wanna make analysis recontex all the word he said and not make asumpsion by one word,armin-so do you did this for us Eren-no Eren-i wanted to trampled everything Eren-i wanted to see this sight Eren-i just wanted to do it very badly+yeah ymir plotline is ass but thats the only bad aspects Tell me how are you gonna explain this dialogue?this is what i hate about casual wiewer they completely didnt understand simple dialogue like this Armin-determination?you do this by you own will and you call it determination Armin-why this is happening,is there really no other choice Eren-i thought i do this for protecting you guys,but sahsa,hange,floch died because of me Eren-why?why this is the the only "possibilities and outcome that happening", Eren-its because iam 1diot that got too much power Eren actually have choicee,he doesnt got slaved by fate but in fact got slaved by his own will and his own egoism ,his main motive thst makes him "choose" rumbling is to satisfacting his desire of false freedom,the sight of freedom he always dream of,sure there other motives like erased titan power,protecting paradise,save his friends,but deep down he wanted to satisfacting his egoism
Ymir shouldn't have made any titans after the Doomsday titan to begin with, Eren literally freed her and told her it's alright to stop serving people that don't even know or care about you. Also the fact that killing Zeke stopped the Rumbling was strange as well considering that Ymir stopped caring about royal blood, but stopped the Rumbling because the royal blood disappeared
@@furiousdestroyah9999didn't understand because its all about love. the whole show is about Love. how did you not realise that. u stupid? i did and now i am not stupid. wow what an ending
@@furiousdestroyah9999 Eren only offered sympathy for her, that doesn't mean liberation. Ymir was obviously angry but also she knew this action would lead to her final liberation and the end of the Titan powers
It is more like addiction (don't take it like that though), when you want to stop an addiction for a long time but really can't, it has attached itself to your mind so you can't get rid of it and instead rage (rumble) when you can't get over it and in the end are liberated from it by self realisation
"I don't know what happens after I die, but I know... you can make it to the other side of the walls. Humanity will be saved by you, Armin." Eren's last words to Armin, before he wipes their memories and leads them to his death.
22:01 he said he ran countless changes to the future this was the best one. He’d still get to annihilate the people outside the walls while giving his friends a chance to kill him of their own free will. Them being heroes was just a side note and an excuse.
Its just stupid man. Did everyone forget Eren could wipe memories aswell? NOTHING was telling Eren, that Marley wouldnt continue the war, especially after what they have been witnessed. All the ''good'' things just happened because the writer said so. Its garbage.
**SPOILERS BELOW** As a reader of the manga, when it ended people had very similar reactions to how people are reacting now, and after all that time what I can say for sure is that this ending has grown into me afterwards, I can accept it and somewhat see how this was fated to be their resolution. Eren was never going to stop fighting to be free, and his freedom would never be reached in life without the extermination of humanity outside the walls. I hoped for a better ending for him, but the ending we got was appropriate for the story, and it was beautifully adapted and accturate to the source material (manga).
I can honestly say it helped me understand the manga so much better I used to hate the last shot of the new tree and the little boy but this time around I had a smile on my face wondering what he’s gonna do with the hood like power now ?? I loved it all
You mean to tell me, people thought eren living was a better suited ending?!? Realistic endings are extremely rare nowadays but when they are implemented they honestly be the best kind of endings.
It was way better than in the manga. I think the problem is the long wait plus the mid storyline. As manga readers we should be at least happy that it was improved alot, however for anime only views it can hurt
Also i kinda like the whole war thing because they talked about it in the first season when the general asked eren if he thought one bad guy would unite all of the people and eren said it could for a little bit but human nature would cause more wars. I also like how the marleans still didnt trust the eldians because it shows that generational racism doesnt go away after a day and that they can say whatever they want but it takes time and effort before their mindset can truly change
@CombatUnit621 yeah I also left out where Eren called himself an idiot because this was his only idea and how armin blamed himself because he didn't help eren come up with a different idea
@@CombatUnit621 he did not say "It was a dumb idea". He said "He is and idiot who got super powers". That completely means different things lol. Like if his plan is "completely dumb" as you have said then none of his plans would have worked and Eren would not even have told Historia how to deal with the repercussions of his actions. Him being and idiot just means, that whatever he ended io doing is not the most "big brain" plan genius people can come up with. His plan is basically something a normal dude could have think off if put in his situation.
@sonzhon7216 Yeah, he mentioned how eren called it a bad idea, and I was saying eren called himself an idiot because he couldn't come up with a different plan
@@Snzn_7 rather I think it was supposed to be more like this, eren is the same as the people in power, in so many generations we have seen so many rulers and kings (people with power) starts wars over stupid reasons like a complete idiot and cause all the death and destruction of the world and eren is just like them, an idiot who was given too much power
@@JaysTVRN give someone however many hours it takes to watch AOT in one sitting and give someone else a literal decade of slowly analyzing every chapter and discussing theories/details/speculations as they come out. who is going to notice more plot holes? that's the point sergio is making..............................
It was amazing up until the last 6 chapters. It got continually worse until the absolute shitshow that was the ending. Fun stuff to watch the fandom on flames and 12yo twitter users calling it deep and shit.
yes i totally agree. I kept up with the manga until the end all those years ago and omfg it was just such a mess. But watching it in the anime made is a LOT more palatable. Especially with the voice acting and dialogue changes that kinda fixed some things a little. In any case, the ending is still not the best, but its not as bad as i remember it lol
Season 1 to 3 of attack on titan was incredible but season 4 had so many plotholes...Also no information is provided about that worm like creature which remains a mystery
Wow, I didn't find all these problems, but the ending felt wrong to me because you have to bring these connections, these many loose threads together yourself, something that hasn't been the case to this extent in the whole story up to this point. It feels like one or more pieces of the puzzle are missing. In this context, to justify Ymir's actions for all these centuries ultimately through her love for the king seems implausible and incomprehensible to the audience against the backdrop of all the previous history. I never had a moment here where I thought "ok, that explains everything now". All in all, this is complaining on a high level, but if there's anything to criticize about the series, then in my opinion it's clearly the ending. It doesn't have enough satisfying explanations or the positive vibes to make up for it.
I honestly think isayama fucked up somewhere down the road where he just decided to change the ending to be less controversial than what he originally planned for the ending to be. This is quite plausible and actually eluded to with the retcons, red herrings, and plot holes season 4 had. To be upset is very understandable. It is what it is and we got the ending we got. And with that we must take what we can from this story. Not a happy unrealistic fantasy. Not a horrific villian domination. But an unsatisfying itch of grounded reality. We must keep moving forward. In a world where conflict is inevitable. To face tragedy with strength, to love and cherish the people we have, and to fight for a better outcome. Ultimately (plot holes aside) that is what this story means based on the ending, and that's as beautiful as it can get.
@@mystery785 this would be an explanation, but I heard that this actually is the ending he planned long ago. so another explanation would be that the story is simply evolved, and that the concept for the ending simply did not fit any more or not so good to the rest of the story.
@@mystery785 Yea he changed it after the success of Season 1 in response to the new found popularity, and the responsibility he felt to the readers/watchers. He has been known to hesitate ALOT in his writings and u can see it here and there as time went on, and how any of the notable changes he oversaw for the anime adaption became the official canon tht retcons a good bit of what the manga has shown. Ending being a perfect recent example where dialogue order, extended or added scenes, changes and pacing was improved a good deal. And explains why the "backlash" was ALOT more minimal for anime onlys or converted manga readers from hating to loving or at least appreciating the ending for wht it is. (Despite requiring the audience to go back through messages, symbolism, etc of the series to fully comprehend what the ending was trying to say)
I mean at first I thought the same about the credits: “it was all for nothing”. Then I remember Armin with Zeke and how they talked about what made life worth living. War can still happen and the titans can come back but it’s not about the multiplying of life but about the little things that make life worth living, that make it all for something.
hat is the message of the anime? Genocide actually works great if you're doing it to protect your friends and family? In the anime is showed Paradis being annihilated like 500 - 700 years or more into the future which means genocide does work and more people should be like Eren Eren should have succeeded in killing off everything outside of Paradis and then the timeskip ending shows that there is a civil war 100 years or 200 years later. There will always be war, no matter what you do. It doesn't even matter if you kill everyone outside of Paradis. More land and more greed, civil war. It shows Eren's decision was wrong in the end. There is no peace no matter what you do. His friends children or grandchildren still die in the end. This depressing message would have been more better than the message that genocide makes peace last for 700 - 1000 years
So what was worth living? The plot points the author made to look like it would be a happy end? If mikasa & friends returned to paradis, they would be hung as traitors. With a severed head over hundred miles of flattened continent, with no food no less.
I think Ymir could have definitely made easy work of everybody trying to stop Eren but i think she mightve held back because those were Eren’s friends. She could have easily taken Armin’s head off but clearly Eren already had plans for Armin with the memories coming back, she probably didnt want to get in the way of that.
@@TomTang-sj2zk no it isnt lmao ymir was watching mikasa and was going along with eren she was seeing if mikasa would have that moment with her lover like ymir and switz during the spear throw. to see if mikasa would of actually kill eren unlike her when she saved Fritz.
@@ItsMe-bt4tm That shit was stupid. You're telling me that in 2000 years Ymir didn't see a single instance of love or someone freeing themselves from their opressor. What about Ymir and Historia? Zeke and Grisha? Those are instances of love but if you're talking about specifically someone freeing themselves from their opressor, what about Historia overthrowing Rod Reiss, an opressive figure that tried to use her for his own goals? 2000 years but a half eldian killing her brother and kissing his decapitated head is what cured Ymir. Makes sense.
@@KBhunterx262 Yeah you named people who care for each other unlike Eren/Mikasa and Ymir/Fritz who were (romantically) in love. Different aspects of love. Now if you wanna say Ymir loving Fritz is psychotic which is true I get that. But, if you look at real life and how fucked people of the past had relationships back then (incest, power, status, age gaps, multiple lovers) not all that far off on how we can see Ymirs viewpoint on what Love is to her and the relationship she had with Fritz. Imo her low IQ, Status, Daughters, and Empire they built together is what made her love Fritz in a sick way.
This show went downhill after season 3. Season 4 felt like bad quality at times and then after paths it spiralled out of control. Wtf was Isayama thinking? I got tired of the show and dropped it after season 4 pt 2. I didn't watch the final 2 parts and I don't think I ever will. Sad as AoT was my favourite ever show when season 3 ended. What could have been
@@Doom_Guy__what exactly don’t u like abt it? To my understanding a lot of people don’t like it because of the extra pages and a war had broke out and it seemed like everything eren did was for nothing which in actuality his only mission was to make sure his friends lived a long and happy life which they did he accomplished his goal and I think the ending is appropriate it reflects our own world in a way, there’s always gonna be a group of individuals who who don’t accept others for who they are based on religion, or race u see that with Marley and Eldians and our world with all these hate crimes as of late, war is always gonna be a thing when it comes to humanity we can never coexist with eachother and accept others for who and what they are the ending to me is perfect aot is a dark story from beginning to finish
@@Alzrozax Well everything essentially WAS for nothing. The payoff of all the accumulated greatness from the show's most defining moments fell flat on its face in the end. I've seen literally fanfics with better endings than that. And then there's the absolute character assassination of Eren. It's okay for him to have regrets in the end but to be a complete child about it is embarrassing. I say wear what he's done, atrocities and all on his sleeve and own up to his own faults. There's more, but the video pretty much explained most of it. Feels like the time I invested in this show was completely wasted, YEARS. At this point, I'm just going to look for something similar with a way better ending cause yeesh. And don't give me that "it's hard to write good endings crap" either. Regardless of if it was hard or not that doesn't excuse the slop we got at the end of an almost well crafted story. Such a fumble 😔
People that said the ending is good and that you don't understand the story ... conveniently doesn't try to explain why they liked it or what is the "true" understanding of the story.
@@justicemcintosh3294”something makes you happy.” There you go buddy you have your reason LOL. What are you saying? We as humans don’t gravitate towards something WITHOUT reason 🤣🤦🏻. They aren’t lying. Their understanding is flawed and this leads to their reason for liking it ALSO BEING FLAWED.
The thing with eren distracting the smiling titain is that one time paradox (think it's bootstrap) where an event happens then a character goes back in time to that moment and realises that even isn't going to happen so makes it happen. So eren making the smiling titain eat his mum is because that's how he had it happen and how it needs to happen so his precived events can still occur. There was no other way that happened. Atleast that's how I think that all works I'm not exactly sure correct me if I'm wrong.
It's still stupid. He didn't have to write it ignoring Bertholdt. Isayama wrote himself into a corner that he had to write himself out of. Very stupid. We didn't have to see it entering and ignoring Bertholdt.
He wrote it to explain the time paradox Eren was in. Eren knows he needs Bertholdt so he saves him not knowing what year or time it is. Time when Eren's mom is in danger.
@@m.i.aa.i.m383 He doesn't have to write Bertholdt being saved, my guy. It's a completely superfluous scene. There doesn't need to be a loop where Eren has to kill his mom. It's an unnecessary contrivance that ends up butchering Eren as a character.
@@aaronyaygerno, it demonstrates how stuck Eren is. Dina/smiling titan walked past Bertholdt. Dumb titans eat everyone, even titan shifters. Dumb titans also can’t be hidden from, see Season 1. Ignoring that incident would be leaning a loose end, even if most people would miss it. But, more importantly it has value that OG commenter mentions. Eren is stuck, if he stops Dina, his mom doesn’t get eaten, he never becomes the Founder, and but someone else does and completes the Rumbling. Like a fixed event from Dr. Who. This whole point is to illustrate that despite how immensely powerful Eren has become, he is incredibly powerless to change anything. We’ve seen this before when Eren failed to save Hannes. Eren is a tragic character. People will always live, fight to live and die, with or without Eren, with or without the existence of Titans. Despite how ludicrous the world seems, there we see multiple times how seemingly simple but meaningful moments keep driving the characters to live. Which I think is the point of Attack on Titan. So back to your point I think it is valuable they included that scene. Please correct me if you disagree, I’ll be thinking about this finale all week
@@aaronyayger why does he not have to write it? So the story will be simple and open to more plot holes? Imagine this, You have the power of a god and you cant even save your mom? How stupid is that story?
No hate, just love. Though I feel like you are purposely missing on major keypoints and context to make the ending plot sound purposefully worse. I don't know whether you are aware of how to truly analyze a stories plot from a international standpoint like those who literally spend their life doing it. Instead we are going to be watching a guy who watches one type of story over and over again, and if they don't go the typical "cultural norms" of other animes is a presumed a "bad ending" I'm going to build some of my own constructed keypoints at your weak critiscm of others. 1. What you stated at 3:11 goes against every slander and hit you attempted to take of those who enjoyed the ending. Which is really ironic for all the degrading comments and images you were showing that had no relevance to the plot itself but rather the divided community... If you are to really come from a unbias neutral standpoint. Start the video at 3:11 and end it on 3:31 because just those 20 seconds is the only time you have sympathize and chose to understand other standpoint. Besides that you are just tooting your own horn and other "like minded" of you. 2. AOT is one of the shorter of the known animes. So 4:29 got me raising my brow. With having 36 hours worth of screen time. It managed fit far far more than most animes. With only one other anime below that timestamp with a better reputation is FMA:B with only 25 hours of screentime. Now if you did a simple google search of comparing almost every running anime stories of todays time. From beginning and end of the story. That is no where near as dreadfully long as every other animes with just painful to watch filler episodes. Now don't get me wrong, shorter does not mean better. As shown with Demon Slayer with there story having little to no character development living in la la land, and thats just the tip of the iceberg with there overwhelming plotholes. Why does it feel long then? Well, thats because it has been slowly fed to us throughout a whole decade, with the Isayama perfectionism to not fuck up his first hit of a story. 3. Ok this is only the first "major point" and I am already banging my head on the desk. At 6:22 and those who blindly believe that Falco just out of nowhere could become a bird, please read the manga of the ship scene. It was cut of the anime for who knows why. But it explains in thorough detail in the story (in multiple occassions) that if someone inherits the memories of previous titans that they inherit their traits. So yes, there was a titan who could fly. Falco regained their memories, and now inherited their flying traits. It was theorized that it was due to ingesting Zeke's spinal fluid ultimately ending him in the whole situation in the first place. Now for the statement at 7:20 I am starting to think you are thinking of this with 0 understanding of what a "prophesied story" means. Ymir was not going to kill Armin, as it was all planned to free her from the 2000 year curse of love stopping her from passing on. Why is this not noticed? I am not sure? Quite literally was repeated over and over. There was a teaser of Eren inability to change anything of the future. But all of a sudden that isn't noticed? They sent Armin there knowing he wasn't going to die, and to explain him more of it all. It becomes more of a headscratcher at 8:05 . The object that Armin and Zeke were passing around purpose apparently also flew over your head like no other. Whenever the "leaf from that hill" or the "throw and catch baseball" was shown in the story. You completely undermined it's original meaning and gave it your own definition. It was for a micro purpose not a macro like you made it out to be. It was a warming reminder on why THEY not the world but THEIR very moment on why THEY should keep on living. Not for anyone else. Why? well because it was clear that Zeke and Armin had the same object but saw very different things from distant memories and scenes. Meaning it was a on a micro level. It was just a reminder on what moment made Zeke and Armin realize why they want to "live" At 8:44 and my brain is starting to... This man has created some sort of interepation of the plot like no other. It was stated clear as day that King Fritz and his bloodline are the only people who have the ability to have awoken titan ability. So as long as Zeke is being leeched off from doing much with Ymirs capability of restricting him, and Eren ability to leech off of his royal blood to awaken his powers. They can fulfill the prophecy. Eren lives in the future and the past, he shares the memories of Ymir, and every other founding titan after her up until Eren. So in conclusion, Eren and Ymir are on the same page, while Zeke was not in that very moment. Not until he was aware of the true meaning of it all. It was all destined. Why is this guy not aware of anything of this sort? I am too very very curious. I really recommend you reread of just the last two arcs of the anime before you make a half an hour video of just completely misinforming everyone. This essay of a comment is getting too long, so unless if its even regarded to anyone of importance that would be nice to know. Besides that I have many more to say, including of the clear bias understanding on why bittersweet endings exist, and why many do not approve of it. Until then, have a blessed day, I need to go outside and enjoy some socializing now
Just finished the last few episodes and i did not think this show could disappoint me but damn was i wrong. Literally 10/10 for most of the first 3 seasons and a masterpiece of an anime was butchered so hard in the last episodes its just sad
I watched the last episode and thought it was a good ending. Eren is a complicated character, there's layers to the truth of his actions which he justifies and rationalises with Armin. The first layer is the idea of making his friends heroes by becoming the enemy, the second layer is for Mikasa, his friends and Eldians to live long lives without being Subject of Ymir which he accomplishes, but the final layer is that he simply wanted to trample the world and commit genocide. Eren did not change, he's still the whiny, naive child, we saw before he kissed Historia's hand, he wanted to kill all who stood between him and his freedom. And what happens afterwards is the reality of human history; war, conflict and destruction repeating itself.
Here are some plot holes/problems with the ending… 1.Zeke dying shouldn’t have affected eren’s control of the rumbling (Plot Hole) 2.Eren shouldn’t have been able to transform into a colossal titan without Zeke or the hullucigenia (Plot Hole) 3.Eren/Ymir shouldn’t have been able to manipulate Mikasa’s memories since she’s a Ackerman (Plot hole) 4.Falco shouldn’t have been able to master his titan within minutes to a few hours (Either plot hole or contrivance/bad writing) 5. The hullucigenia scene MAKES ZERO SENSE… all it wants to do is live so why the hell was it going after eren? The worm is a parasite… just think about it all it needed was a host and there were plenty people surrounding it, so why didn’t it just attach to one of the dozens around it. (Plot Hole) 6. Ymir also makes ZERO SENSE she should basically have a 4D perception of things and be able to see the past,present and future. So why would she want to make any of this happen and see Mikasa or have eren tell her something if she already knew what happens(Plot hole or just bad writing) 7. Mikasa just apparently walks to paradis across hundreds to thousands of miles and crosses the ocean on foot (Kind of knit picky but still kinda bad writing) 8. Reiner the plot armor titan shouldn’t have been able to survive the blast from the colossal’s transformation.( contrivance) 9.The hullucigenia is never really explained like at all and it’s a key and foundational part of the story. They just kind of introduced a worm that has the ability to manipulate space/time, create pocket dimensions and give form to peoples will and don’t explain much about it. All we know is that it’s a ancient parasite basically. (Bad writing) …Tell me if there are any plot holes I missed💀
There are other bad writing point as well but I don’t even wanna bother listing them. The ending was cool to watch, had a lot of eye candy and was a thrill ride but if you analyze it for a second even slightly objectively you realize it’s riddled with problems even outside of the array of plot holes. It’s a objectively bad ending even though it’s a cool watch.
1. Zeke was the one that bought Eren into paths, maybe that had something to do with it 2.He transformed into a colossal titan probably by just using the founding titan 3.Mikasa is still technically Eldian but she’s immune to certain things. 4.Bertolt was able to master the colosal titan with one transformation, Falco mastered it with his second with the help of memories from zeke 5.Because he’s the main host and had the founding titan. 6.Thats a good one, i need to look more into that 7.True, a reason for that would be nice. 8.Reiner always was able to survive a colossal titan explosion. 9.All we know is it was created during the beginning of the universe, it’s based on around life, and is a parasite.
@@7iscoe 1. Zeke was only needed because Ymir would only listen to royal blood but eren broke Ymir from her servitude of royal blood 2. He didn’t have the powers of the founder since the worm was detached and he also didn’t have control over the founder apparently since Zeke was killed that’s why the rumbling was stopped 3.Ackerman memories and mind can’t be manipulated by the founder that’s why they were persecuted 4. Bertholdt was likely taught how to use his titan before the mission to paradis just like the other titan candidates 5. Eren was no longer its host and there’s no reason why the parasite wouldn’t just attach to someone else especially after Zeke explains that it’s main goal is survival 8. No he has never been shown or said to be able to survive it until that scene and why would he be more durable than the founding titan anyways or be able to be severely damaged by a couple thunder spears but not completely destroyed by the “mini-nuke” from the colossal’s transformation. 9. It wasn’t said to be created at the beginning of the universe, it was one of the early life forms that existed tho and by the end of the series something as important and foundational as it should have been explained and elaborated on further especially when it’s abilities are so out of the ordinary in the AOT universe where most things are similar to real life.
One of the biggest disappointments for the ending with me was the hullucigenia . There was so much mystery building up behind the titans origins and to see it easily explained away by a parasite that latches onto a host was extremely underwhelming.
Persoanly, for me, I was watching a video regarding the final episode and this TH-camr said something that made the waffling from eren make compete and total sense, since Eren is observing the past present and future simultaneously he is a child whilst also being 2,000 years old, hence why we got the scene of him acting like a little kid as a grown man, he even prior to that had said “my heads messed up” which reinforces this concept. I also have a question, what the hell would aot be if eren never sent the Titan that ate his mother, what is the original timeline then? How would have things panned out?
Although for it's not really stated and more headcannon, I felt that Ymir gets freedom through Mikasa by learning to be ok with holding your abuser accountable. That is to say, she loved the old king out of Stockholm or PTSD or whatever, doesn't really matter, but that relationship is mirrored in Mikasa. She also loves Erin (for whatever reason) but hes hurting her. Hes killing her friends, calling her out, bringing her pain. Through Mikasa both accepting that she does love Erin but also doing what has to be done, Ymir learns that she can still love the old king even if she acknowledges that he did terrible things to her. The moment where Mikasa kisses Erin after decapitating him is for me, that critical moment (so i didn't hate it) But! literally all of that was contrived and is never actually stated or really talked about in the show so i might be giving too much credit
No that's literally what the motive is, it's more detailed in the anime than the manga. Isayama wrote the script for the anime I think to kind of get more of the point across because for manga readers a lot of it was kind of vague (I also read the manga). A lot of his points and issues with the manga were provided way more nuance in the anime.
Eren wasn't even her abuser, he literally said he wanted to live with her. Ymir herself made eren look the abuser and then made him kill 80% of humanity just so mikasa will finally stop being " uwu eren" and kill him so ymir can be free. Tell this isn't the dumbest plot
This makes sense especially considering that eren was such a bully when he met her and armin at the table before setting off to find zeke. He had already visited her through the paths, he had professed his love for her many times. He only ever said truly hateful and hurtful things to her at that table. Probably because he knew he had to to get her to strike him down at the end.
I'll say the animation was certainly and deservedly the best of the series, given the scale and significance. I'd read the manga so the ending did not hit me as hard as anime only watchers may have been. Its one of those endings that really don't satisfy you, but then there is no better ending to the series. My gripes were oddly more of the tonality and score. AOT was the anime that got me into the importance of having a great score, so it has really set standards for me. Here, I felt that the score and both the tonality was pretty much more Marvel-ly, with energetic, upbeat music. Certain scenes required really better accompanying soundtracks that could leave you feeling heavy. They did bring back some classics, but the impact was quite diluted. It almost felt they really wanted to milk out the action. Also the scene with Armin and Eren about Mikasa, pretty much turned into a meme, and really just abandoned the emotional weight Eren had. They did the scene with the 80% population trampled dialogue much better, and I wish the same tonality could have been utilized for that scene as well. The best scene for me was people lifting the crying baby. Very masterfully done. And I guessed it summarized the episode well. Great in bits and pieces. It's crazy. Aot has been my favourite anime since I started watching it, and its been a great story to watch unfold.
I'm still trying to find constructive criticism of the ending, it was literally perfect for me and everyone's critics seem to be like 'Eren didn't stay an edge lord like I wanted him to and had a emotional breakdown'. Maybe the anime culture just isn't mature enough for a realistic story and ending like Attack on Titan
@@CPTZK11 I honestly felt the ending was quite decent as per the story and theme of the series. It didn't drop a magic solution to all the bloodshed and loss, and war is like that. The Naruto Anime touches upon this stuff briefly during the Pain arc, but Aot is much more comfortable with handling grey characters than Naruto. I'll say that while it was not exactly a plot hole, the whole angle about Ymir being in love with King Fritz needed to be explored in detail in her backstory. Given that all we have seen of him was a selfish, cruel person, what exactly made her love him is really questionable unless he showed some flashes of light that probably she pined for. I get the abusive relationship stuff, and I think the weight of that could have been better understood by that.
@trueweaver5604 I am doubtful, I do not read many manga. I really one read one's where the anime was just too good, and I couldn't help myself. I haven't seen a positive take on the end of AoT. It's a mess. I mean, good on them if they do, but I don't think so.
The ending wasn't happy at all, but as an anime only I think it was beautiful and didn't ruin my overall view on Attack on Titan as a masterpiece and one of the best shows I watched.
It was good for what Isayama was trying to convey. I just think those who dont like it dont understand the whole point of the story. To me it makes perfect sense @@markus10X
Eren didn't change anything in the past to possibly prevent the rumbling from happening because he actually WANTED to annihilate everything outside of the walls. He even says it himself. Protecting his friends and saving Paradis was always just a side effect of his true motivation, which was to completely stomp the outside world and turn it into the fantasy land Eren has been told about in Armin's books.
THIS THIS THIS. still pisses me off, it's like people think they understand Eren better than the writer who wrote the damn character. IDK if you ever read his AOT high school spinoff, but Eren in that would still fantasize about a zombie apocalypse that he could free his friends from. Fighting IS his character. He thought that stamping out everyone who hates Paradis is the best course of action.
@@wolfbrigade8042 its because people have a hard on for cool man rebel Eren. They want to believe he's cool AF, makes em just as bad as the Yeagerists tbh, and legit is like Isayama's way of being like "if you support him, you're just continuing the cycle of hate."
I think that you guys forget the part where Eren tells Armin that he intended to make them the hero's and give the world a chance for piece. Obviously this plan is extremely messed up, but he even states that he is just an idiot and couldn't think of a better way to save his friends. Yes, he does say that part of him wanted to see the world get flattened, but this is clearly not his intention, as he lets Mikasa kill him. If he wanted to there was nothing preventing him from taking away everyone's power to begin with. I think this is another reason why we see what happens if Eren goes with Mikasa. Either way the world is destroyed by violence, so he was essentially stuck between letting his friends die, or going through with his plan to become the villain. Again, obviously what he does is not excusable, but Eren is not supposed to be some gynocidal maniac. He is intended to be a fool that gained power and didn't know the best way to use it. He is a slave to the ideal of freedom and is willing to do anything to protect his friends. This is just that taken to its farthest extreme.
21:54 If Eren did change something in the past and made a new future. What if he accidentally creates a future where he doesn't get the Founding Titan's powers? And if in the past, he never got the Founder's powers, wouldn't the other future timelines be new or something he wouldn't be able to change? Idk, like, Eren did the things because it already happened. And not doing it means a lot of things would change? And if Dina didn't eat Eren's mom, would Eren have the same drive to kill all the titans and stumble in the future that he did? Genuine questions, btw. Just curious
Yeah Eren would, I was rewatching episode 1 and throughout Eren kept going on how he despised the titans and how he hates people who accept their way of life as caged animals. His mum dying just pumped his anger up even more, which was not much considering he was already incredibly angry.
If he didn't have the founders powers Marley would have just invaded and killed them. He said he had done it all so many times over and the results were even worse eg. More genocide
Eren explicitly said that he’s looked at many different scenarios of how all of this could have gone and this was the only way to keep his friends from dying and for them to live long happy lives. He also made the smiling Titan eat his mom to trigger the chain of events that would lead to this. I do get your point about the power of the founder and the pause of the rumbling. That part is a little fuzzy
but he also explicitly stated that he could not see what happens after he dies. So how does he know that his friends live long peaceful lives after he dies?
Bestie half of friends is dead Eren starts everything which means all those people who died from the beginning is because of his faults This bum could've easily use the 50 years plan since Historia and her children, grandchildren along with paradis people got nuked either way. It's worst because after he did the Rumbling, the outside world hate Paradis even more and in fear of retaliation children are probably trained for wars. It's crazy and it's shtyy . It's goes against what he stands up for up until the ending anyway. Children got dragged even more into the conflicts after facing literal genocide. Ramzi,Halil, Sasha, Hange,Floch , Erwin,Mike, Colt, Porco, Ymir, Carla,Grisha,Zeke etc... everyone died because Eren is a "garden variety idiot" who apparently did it because he's an idiot and wanted to. Stop defending terrible writing
@@BunnySaintV1e con questo si riesce a capire che non hai capito una sega dei personaggi e della storia, però è difficile ammettere che non si è riusciti a collegare due informazioni che sono state date negli ultimi episodi e anche negli scorsi episodi che servivano per farti capire la storia?
Eren has no future or past, so it's incorrect to refer to him as "future Eren." He obtained god-like powers, existing outside of time, simultaneously experiencing all moments until he chose to cease to exist. This concept is similar to the movie "Interstellar," where everything happens simultaneously for him, creating a temporal loop. If we consider Eren's powers, the Eldians would never be free as long as he existed. To grant them true freedom, he needed to cease to exist, including his beloved Mikasa and Armin. It's important to note that the scene where Eren broke down does not represent the "real Eren" because there is only one Eren. This means that if he said something at any point, he always knew it. Again, since everything is happening at once, he has no beginning or end. Some people argue that Eren was following the will of the Attack on Titan, but this is incorrect because he is the one who created them. He also gives them commands, including to himself. With the powers bestowed upon him by Ymir, Eren existed at all points in history. With the powers of the Founding Titan, he controlled all Eldians at all times. This is why Eren can be considered a god in this context. Everything that happened was because Eren willed it to happen. The disappearance of the Titan power from the world was not solely caused by Eren's final action. It was Ymir's last action that led to this outcome. Eren played a role in enlightening Ymir through Mikasa's example, showing her that it was acceptable to let go of love, immortality, and her 2000 years of service. As a result, Ymir herself vanished, taking the Titan power with her. However, the power resurfaced when the Hallucinate creature found a new host approximately a hundred years later. In conclusion, the finale of Attack on Titan attempted to replicate the ending of "Code Geass," but for some, it felt similar to the dissatisfaction with the ending of "Game of Thrones." While I understand the finale, it could have been executed better. Ultimately, time is not linear, and Eren, as a god-like being, was the scriptwriter of this story until he chose to die. Many express dissatisfaction with the ending because Eldia is still under threat in the future due to Eren's incomplete execution of the Rumbling. However, the author intended to convey the idea that regardless of circumstances, humanity will always engage in conflict. Even if Eren had fully carried out the Rumbling, resulting in only Eldians remaining, they would eventually find reasons to fight amongst themselves given enough time. The notion that Eldians fighting each other is preferable to the world fighting against Eldians is illogical. Ultimately, people will always be at odds with one another, regardless of shared or unshared bloodlines or ancestry. The essence of Attack on Titan is to demonstrate that humanity is inherently inclined to wage war upon itself, whether the conflict stems from racial differences or other factors. The world is a harsh place, and no amount of Rumbling could permanently eradicate conflicts.
My thing was always, if you can control and manipulate titan powers, why not just turn them all into Ackermanns? No more titans and a built-in defense system for every individual if the situation calls for it. Otherwise theyre no different from everyone else!
Because there's a limit to a power... it has never been established clearly how the Ackermanns have been created, it might require a holder to have royal blood because they are supposed to protect royalty in the first place.
@@OneWithinn But Royal blood is bullshit. It's all Eldian blood in the end, the only thing that makes it different is Ymir's obedience to the memory of King Fritz. with the full powers of the founding titan unlocked, Eren should've had no problem doing this.
Honest answer? Not edgy enough of a plot point. If Anime Comics and TV and Movies used common sense they would be a lot shorter and a lot less exciting.
@@shezyam460 The best explanation that Isayama could come up with for all the bullshit in this ending is that everything is predestined and no one has any free will to change anything. If that is the case, why do we even care about these characters? They have no characterization or free will of their own; all of their choices are made for them. The characters in AOT are all just poor players that strut and fret their hour upon the stage, and then are heard from no more. AOT is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Thought the same!! Like how the hell did eren send dina to his mother instead of to bertholdt there is no logical explanation to it how he could control the past back there?? If eren was able to do it why was no attack titan user before him able to??
Tbh i am okay with the ending, don't get me wrong the ending did have it's flaws, But i really think this ending was the only way to end the whole series, Of course im REALLY sad it had to end this way, But looking back at it, It really was a Sad, heartwarming ending witch had to be done, But i do understand why it gets alot of hate, But thats just my opinion
The titan’s abilities seem to be different overtime due to mixing of spinal fluid and the intake of the predecessor abilities, this is backed up by experimentation with the Ackerman’s and with the consumption of the hardening serum by Eren. It’s also why Rod Reiss told Historia that he picked out a powerful titan for her and it’s also why Falco asked Annie if it was true the Female titan could mimic abilities of other titans after consuming a piece of them. It also explains why all the Jaw titans except for Ymir had a hardened face plate (because they were injected with spinal fluid of the Warhammer titan) and it also explains why Falco also has a face plate (He was injected with Zeke’s spinal fluid which he had hardening as shown with Levi vs Zeke battle). We also know every titan shifter takes on characteristics of themselves hence why Zeke is able to throw shit across the battlefield, why Eren is the attack titan and why Bertholdt and Armin were the Colossal titan (they didn’t want seek violence but yet given massive amounts of power). It’s also why when Eren uses the founder titan he becomes a titan that looks like a puppet on strings. So it’s not an ass pull for Falco to turn into a bird like titan since his name very much derives for “Falcon”, especially with zeke’s spinal fluid he’s able to manifest powers akin the beast titan’s form.
Agreed, good thinking. Since titan powers are transfered through spinal fluids, it's kinda like dna imo, and dna has mutations, things keep changing. Also, all of the shifters don't have completely different powers, all came of the same body after all
What i hate about this ending is how eren killing his own mother essentially removes any limitations on his time powers What made it cool to me at first is that he apparently was only able to control past attack titans, but now it is revealed that he can control ANY pure titan across time, which just introduces countless plot holes to the series which could have been easily avoided.
Wow my dude, tell me you didn't understand the story without telling me you didn't understand the story. It is made very clear at the end that Eren himself doesn't even know how the coordinate powers work. Only Ymir knows and she doesn't speak. And Eren only gained the power to control titans across timelines AFTER he got in the coordinate. It is never definitely stated that the future is fixed and you can't begin to comprehend what it feels like to be able to see causes and effects across multiple timelines. Maybe Carla just died in ever single one of them, think about it, if Eren had not started the rumbling, Marley would have nuked Paradis anyway
Eren was being influenced by Ymir. I speculate one or both of them knew that his head would grow into a new Tree. Starting the cycle over again BUT with the possibility for it to be different 🤞🏼
Thinking about him killing his mom, i like to think its one of those butterfly effects of well dina couldnt kill bertolt for plot sake but in consequence it went to carla. Like in decision games where even if you didn’t directly choose to kill a character, your past decision influenced the next which did kill the character.
People don't understand that Isayama has the worst ending for AoT in OUR timeline, which is now canonically the worst timeline. In a world that is better than ours, there was a dope ending for AoT that cemented it as the greatest show ever.
Aot sucks it promotes terrorism and military aggression Main characters are fighting in a war started by their own country(Eldia and Marley never signed a treaty, Eldia’s king just ran away to some island) Main characters literally start a military coup on the government. Main protagonist (who is portrayed heroically as doing things for his friends) attacks the entire world and is thanked by his former friend(who is portrayed heroically)for his aggression and genocide
@@ゼロシン Armin and Eren anrent suposed to be portrayedd heroically, the point is both are going to reunite in hell, isayama just sucks writting the ending
It's a beautiful ending. People will just barked anything they don't like. They thought ohhhh, everyone should be killed! nooo everyone should have an happy ending. Let me remind you that Aot is a controversial story in the first place, ending is going to be hella divisive no matter what. The story is complex and there is no true way of ending this. There will be always those life unsatisfied.
According to me the only good point you raised to which I agree with is "what exactly is founding Titan?" Every other point is up for interpretation. To me Eren doing the rumbling created peace and ended this eldian-Marlian issue. The scenes we see in the end credits is of way into the future may be 300-400 years ahead and as like Erwin said as long as two men are remaining they'll keep fighting so then fighting is not necessarily cuz of previous issue at that time. And lastly the kid going under the tree trunk is also up for interpretation, to me he is a kid like Eren and Armin who is just curious and wants to explore the world.
In the defence of Eren killing 80% of world. He wants his friends to live in peace, making him see the future he had no other choice. He also mentions he can change the past but the outcome was always the same. So I am convinced this was the best outcome for his friends to live in peace. With that known i understand why they went with that, ofc all other points you mention are correct :)
do the author of aot not read their own work? it has been established from way earlier that eldians doing the hero / savior complex type of shit doesnt work. King Fritz for example, where did his effort end up? no where, it got covered up and another great titan war still happened anyways. The rest of the world just doesnt seem to trust eldians that much. Imagine jew vs nazi germany, but change nazi germany to the whole fucking world.
you completely misinprate him,if you wanna make analysis recontex all the word he said and not make asumpsion by one word,armin-so do you did this for us Eren-no Eren-i wanted to trampled everything Eren-i wanted to see this sight Eren-i just wanted to do it very badly Tell me how are you gonna explain this dialogue?this is what i hate about casual wiewer they completely didnt understand simple dialogue like this Armin-determination?you do this by you own will and you call it determination Armin-why this is happening,is there really no other choice Eren-i thought i do this for protecting you guys,but sahsa,hange,floch died because of me Eren-why?why this is the the only "possibilities and outcome that happening", Eren-its because iam 1diot that got too much power Eren actually have choicee,he doesnt got slaved by fate but in fact got slaved by his own will and his own egoism ,his main motive thst makes him "choose" rumbling is to satisfacting his desire of false freedom,the sight of freedom he always dream of,sure there other motives like erased titan power,protecting paradise,save his friends,but deep down he wanted to satisfacting his egoism
Eren killing 80% of the world literally proves the remaining 20% are correct in their assessment of the subjects of Ymir. Why would they not attack Paradis after the shit Eren pulled off? 20% of the world is FAR greater than the population of a small island. And the eldians' only trump card, the titans, isnt even available to them anymore. Paradis probably got fucking obliterated after Eren's death. Eren screwed them
@@jahterminatedlmao5473 what? no way, he all did that for a small area of peace where where his friends got old. ofc later in time as we see with the endscene credits paradis gets in war again after its build up.
Nah the mangaka are on different tiers. One mangaka is trying to replicate oda’s greatness while oda sits on his toilet thinking of different silly ways he can draw luffy. There’s level to this shit and some mangaka you can have complete trust in. Unfortunately, aots mangaka isn’t like that. He’s good, and he created a hot, attention-grabbing plot, but towards the end (really more so when he started introducing other countries) his hotness ran dry. No homo.
Imagine asking someone why they killed your mother, and knowing after a lot of pages and letters that you were actually the one who killed your own mother using coordination to change the future, the best loop script, well done Isayama.
Imagine genshit weebs didnt capable to understand that if carla didnt die grisha will never give founding titan to eren,he literally begging zeke to stop him,oh maybe you want entire paradise got obliterate
Yall can yap all you want this isn't disney this is reality Aot is peak and the ending was perfect pacing issues is the only problem if you disbelief tell that to the 8.5 ratings for the final episode on imbd the anime is yhe highest rated anime ever so please quit yapping
The fact marley used their airships to attack eren instead of evacuating civilian people further from the rumbling speaks volumes about their thinking abilities. I wonder how this country even survived within 2000 years
@@SpongeBob38 if he'd grown up and experienced the world a little like Zeke, he wouldn't have such disregard for all of humanity. Maybe he'd choose to sacrifice paradis just like zeke.
I would agree but he literally changed events to make sure the rumbling happened which means he potentially could’ve stopped the rumbling along with 80% of the population dying.
@@christophergillis7019but because of the rumbling his friends lived the peaceful life It id inevitable to eradicate concept of war and racism from this world But eren made them equal so it would give them time to be happy and that's what they did So he did achieved something
@@christophergillis7019 no he couldn’t when he was talking with Armin and he showed him what the rumbling would look like when it’s done and Armin did ask why don’t you stop and eren he tried every theory he could think of to stop the rumbling but basically get the same result of peace and it never worked it was determined and he didn’t determine it.
But didnt he say in the last episode when he was talking to Armin, he tried many different times to change how things would end up, and it still ended up the same... the rumbling still happened everything he tried to change the way things played out...
Can you give like one example of how he tried to do that. All this time he was slaved by ymir's will to be free and that kills the character of eren, pretty simple
@mckloggins which doesn't make sense. If you know the future, it should be easy to change it. Just not save ramzi. Run away with mikasa. Doesn't seem very hard to do.
@@jyotirani8187 Even he knew the future but eren always is eren, he still help the boy anyways as the future he saw, no matter what he saw in the future. Future eren and present eren still the same
"I am making this video before the final episode comes out but releasing it after it does, because I think the anime fans would hate the ending, since nothing at all would be changed 100%" Yeah that... that wasnt a good idea.
To me the show became insubstantial after season 4, which is a shame, since the basement reveal was fucking genius. But the characters and the feeling that this was a human struggle ended after the introduction of the attack titans power; basically just a huge deus ex machina. There’s no better way to ruin an otherwise complex story than abuse themes just to make it seem even more complex. I felt like iyasama lost sight of his story after the reveal, it went beyond him into something he could not altogether control anymore; thankfully he’s a fantastic writer so he managed to keep things tidy for a while, but then all the themes went to hell and it felt like he was just trying to tie lose ends. I personally didn’t understand the need for the random omnipotent powers of the attack titan and in turn what they did to Eren; I think it was not necessary in order to raise the stakes.
I agree wholeheartedly. The basement scene is the best part of the story and the beginning of the decline I’ve never seen a story punch so hard just to fizzle out in the second half
@@Zonedoutallthetime bullshit , literally hardly anything to complain about besides personal preference on where the story went after that. After season 4 ? Was there a season 5 I just missed. The basement reveal changed the presumed themes of aot and when season 4 actually came,Guys just couldn't rehash there mindset on the themes. Fighting the titans to fighting humanity. If the ending was better you would not be even saying this.
you completely misinprate him,if you wanna make analysis recontex all the word he said and not make asumpsion by one word,armin-so do you did this for us Eren-no Eren-i wanted to trampled everything Eren-i wanted to see this sight Eren-i just wanted to do it very badly Tell me how are you gonna explain this dialogue?this is what i hate about casual wiewer they completely didnt understand simple dialogue like this Armin-determination?you do this by you own will and you call it determination Armin-why this is happening,is there really no other choice Eren-i thought i do this for protecting you guys,but sahsa,hange,floch died because of me Eren-why?why this is the the only "possibilities and outcome that happening", Eren-its because iam 1diot that got too much power Eren actually have choicee,he doesnt got slaved by fate but in fact got slaved by his own will and his own egoism ,his main motive thst makes him "choose" rumbling is to satisfacting his desire of false freedom,the sight of freedom he always dream of,sure there other motives like erased titan power,protecting paradise,save his friends,but deep down he wanted to satisfacting his egoism
Isayama ruined his own work ! So many dumbbbb writings and plot holes ! It’s disgusting, not the aot I started 10 years ago , and before y’all start yapping , here’s few ex , how tf did eren manipulate mikasa’s memory when it was said founder cannot control them whatsoever! & no I’m not talking about the Cabin , give u one better , when she said “armin you remember now too don’t u” when eren died. Like bruhh , 2. Why tf would eren kruger want his own people to die , he did all that, he would not help other race kill his own people , also ymir loves historia, so why would Ymir help , that means putting her and Island in danger
You absolutely nailed it. Incredible shame it turned out the way it did. I also felt the action scenes lacked tension and the fact we had no proper payoff for the characters we know and love is really disappointing.
@@ErenDenizMert It was such a huge journey for them over 4 seasons. Spending a handful of minutes before the credits roll to gloss over everything is extremely rushed. I note FMA: Brotherhood, which dedicates a number of episodes to completing a proper ending well. They also should have returned as heroes, they should have finally found peace, or impacted the world for the better. Instead everything they did was pointless and led to a worse outcome than in episode 1.They are barely given screen time and their integration back home is glossed over. It's poor writing ultimately.
@@funkymonk8240 They did return as heroes tho and paradies was prospering for hundreds of years. Saying its in a worse state than it was in ep 1 or bad writing is kinda wrong. I suggest you watch this guys follow up video about aots ending
@@ErenDenizMert I saw it differently. Paradis was now essentially a fascist state, with even sweet pacifist Historia became a military expansionist. The credits documents endless wars and even less peace then before Marley was discovered by the Scouts. The message of find peace is replaced with 'kill to survive' - The destabilizing titan powers that underpin the entire story and conflict remained and reignited too. There was no heroic return for Armin and co. What scenes show as such? They discuss only their fear of returning and concern for the future. The whole thing is glossed over quickly in my eyes. They dont even have room to be heroes, given the context of everything.
*The way they ditched the characters during the time skips is just outrageous!* *Not closing the circle for the characters and not few panels with Mikasa its messed up but novels could've fixed it!*
I dropped it and now I see why. I lost interest after season 4 pt2. It just wasn't the same. It felt rushed at times and inconsistent in season 4 and honestly I can't be bothered to see the ending which was sadly my favourite show ever at one point
Aot sucks it promotes terrorism and military aggression Main characters are fighting in a war started by their own country(Eldia and Marley never signed a treaty, Eldia’s king just ran away to some island) Main characters literally start a military coup on the government Main protagonist (who is portrayed heroically as doing things for his friends) attacks the entire world and is thanked by his former friend(who is portrayed heroically)for his aggression and genocide
@@erenyeager6210 it got game of thrones treatment it legacy gone so I don't know what drugs you are taking but keep taking them you going to need them
Even though this ending is not ideal. It’s miles better then the generic shonen cop out you suggested. I’m so glad Eren didn’t revert to just the Attack Titan and help his friends in the end. That would’ve been so lame.
i mean we needed a horroific ending i agree Eren death was needed, but it wasnt executed weel for instance 100% rumbling was needed to solidify that weve achieved the goal of peace on a unrealistic sense. Some of the alliance members should have died namely marley people. Levi should have killed Eren. Jean needed to DIE
why not just let eren finished the job? now even though he "let his friends live" the live a life where they are scared for a counter attack and the multiple unanswered plot points and all we can say is it is what it is.
Japan as a culture is like that. You apologize even when you don't have to. He created a story. His story. He owed no one anything. People didnt like it. And he apologized for disappointing them. But that doesnt mean he didnt believe in what he wrote.
@@xoreign thats the problem, because it is not HIS story. HIS story was different. he had planned a "mist" ending, but his cuck editors talked him out of it to this shitty ending. tells you a lot about him. hes just a sellout. if he would have just stuck with his own vision we wouldnt be in this mess.
I liked the anime ending. I think Nick’s problem with it is just him wanting it to have a straightforward good vs evil ending and storyline. A big point was that the two sides were NEVER going to coexist in peace. That’s why everything restarts at the end, that’s why the sides keep fighting for centuries at the end. Everything was “pointless” But it’s more of a commentary on the conflict of man. It’s extremely telling that the author named it The Battle Between Heaven and Earth - not the battle between heaven and hell
yh i completely disagreed with him on that but he was right in a lot of what he said in this video imo. A lot of it wasnt logical and didnt feel like the big aot moments of old where it was just perfectly crafted. and i watched the anime and just didnt like how it looked that much i think mappa didnt do the best job on it imo, like when zeke said the world is beautiful but it looked awful… i know wit wouldve made it look amazing.
Ending credits and post credits scene is one of my favorite aspects of the finale (and I disliked this pages initially, when they came out in the manga). The fact that wars will start again is not depressing, it's just reality of life that sooner or later will happen to us as well. This is whole point of Armin and Zeke speech. If they left things ambiguously open ended, without showing the future fans would be even more furious saying that Paradise gonna get bombed few months later. If they decided to just show Paradise prosperous and peaceful in the future - message of aot would be even more ridiculous like "Eren stopped all wars forever"
Logistically stuff aside, I feel like most people who hate the ending of AoT's ending conceptually/thematically missed the point of tons of important scenes throughout considering a primary sub-theme of AoT is that conflict is inherent to human nature and will persist as long as there's life. When Pixis and Eren discuss the nature of conflict and humans on the wall prior to the boulder operation(something which is reiterated multiple times throughout the story before and after in different ways and contexts), they raise the idea that even if all the external threats were wiped out, the remaining people inside the walls would turn on each other and fight internally eventually anyways. Not only does this literally happen later on after they clean out all the titans on the island, it is a microcosm of what happens with the ending when we see that war comes for the Paradis island in the distant future as well. The most on the nose way this is told early on is with the example of the insects and how nature and life is predicated on consumption through contest. Eren's desire for freedom has nothing to do with the presence of Titans, Marley or Eldian oppression because the fundamental truth is that even if Marley or Eldian oppression was ended through some temporary means by Eren, the return of violent conflict was inevitable as long as people remained and therefore Eren's desire for "absolute freedom" was not only predicated on absolute eradication, but impossible without it. This is precisely why Eren's goal-post keeps shifting, from thugs inside the walls, to titans, to human armies and society outside itself. The scene with Eren killing Mikasa's kidnappers is important because it shows that Eren has an inclination from early childhood to kill anyone and everyone who infringes on what he sees as an inherent right. And yet, we're also told over and over again that this will keep happening as long as people exist. The point of Eren and his path through the narrative is to make a case-study of a boy with a shallow and childish view of freedom that isn't compatible with the nature of the world or an adult appreciation of society. The cognitive dissonance between Eren's view of freedom(that all are born free and that infringing on said freedom is a sin deserving of death) juxtaposed against a deterministic world in which people will always infringe on each other's freedom means that Eren's idea of true freedom can never materialize since there will always be a new enemy for him to fight as long as life continues to exist. I mean, this is literally echoed in plain words by Zeke in the paths with Armin - with Armin's view being that the small pleasures in life makes everything worth it anyways. I do think that statements by defenders along the lines of "Eren did the rumbling because he wanted to" are pretty asinine though, because the story clearly undercuts the idea that "wanting something" even makes sense in terms of the narrative. Eren does the rumbling because it's not in his nature to do otherwise given his absurd and impossible view of freedom, but the fact of the matter is that it's also pretty clear emotionally he doesn't actually want to(hence all the crying and shifts in mood throughout) and that it tortures him emotionally knowing he has to. Moreover, there's subtext to indicate perhaps Eren's compulsive desire for unrealistic freedom was planted in him by Ymir herself, an echo of her own tortured existence and desire to be free, since we know his propensity began prior to meeting Armin and being shown the book, and that Eren recieved precognitive dreams(in the very first episode) before even acquiring the attack titan. In this sense, I think pretty much everyone is wrong in the debate about the whether the ending was thematically appropriate. It's true that Eren never changed and the whole "Isayama retconned Eren" is as dumb as it is a demonstration of poor media literacy. However, it's also wrong to characterize Eren as a psychopath or evil etc, and say that he "wanted to wipe everyone out". The simple and less contrived answer is that Eren is fundamentally just a stupid kid(even in his own words) obsessed with an ideal he cannot realize and he commited to the rumbling because of the underlying conceit of said belief in conjunction with an inability to think of any other means to address the truth and live with it. He wanted his impossible freedom, and he wanted the people he cared about to live long happy lives, and so he spazzed out and did the thing that realized both to the best of his limited brain and hated himself for it in the process. Personally, I think this type of over-idealistic emotionally conflicted character is pretty realistic given Eren's age and how many people are like this on a smaller scale in the real world - whether it be people juggling stark religious values against secular realities and relationships, or people in abusive relationship that both love and dread their partner at the same time etc. It seems pretty clear to me that Isayama holds to a Nihilist/anti-realist view morality and the world, and so the idea that the story was written initially with the idea of Eren as being a character pursuing a moral view of freedom in a moral way, or that the story could end with true peace was absurd from the very get-go. That was never where the story was headed, and so the expectation that Eren should have developed into a person with a more sophisticated view of the world, "put away childish things" and made a more mature decision about how to leverage his power seems fundamentally out of touch with the story Isayama set out to write. As for Ymir flip-flopping is that I don't think she is. I think what Ymir truly wants is to be killed and set free.
Indeed. You could argue that Eren is a deconstruction of a typical shounen protagonist. Give a young idealistic, angry traumatised young person a predestined yearning to be absolutely free and this unimaginable power, and IRL if they're not allowed to grow and mature, they would probably turn into a genocidal monster. Basically, I feel Eren is what you might get if you take the worst of our world and forced it unto say...Luffy.
@@johncrichton8876 fr idk what some of the shit this youtuber was on about, the ending was objectively over all good and conveyed a message that is true. Bro literally complained about it conveying a message that is undeniably true about human nature.
it was ok but the kiss was vile af. felt like some fan fiction, i am not against the kiss but they coulda done it in the cabin paths scene which actually felt romantic. not with his lifeless decapitated head 💀
See, this is another video which serves as a great example of how most of the Aot Ending critiques goes: The few good and valid points being raised for discussion get lost in the sea of simple misunderstandings, unnecessary disrespect and plain ignorance and bad logic. And so, the few good points naver get seriously discussed and answered. Because no one will bother to respond to 5 minutes of good points having to filter 25 minutes of... well, trash.
you completely misinprate him,if you wanna make analysis recontex all the word he said and not make asumpsion by one word,armin-so do you did this for us Eren-no Eren-i wanted to trampled everything Eren-i wanted to see this sight Eren-i just wanted to do it very badly Tell me how are you gonna explain this dialogue?this is what i hate about casual wiewer they completely didnt understand simple dialogue like this Armin-determination?you do this by you own will and you call it determination Armin-why this is happening,is there really no other choice Eren-i thought i do this for protecting you guys,but sahsa,hange,floch died because of me Eren-why?why this is the the only "possibilities and outcome that happening", Eren-its because iam 1diot that got too much power Eren actually have choicee,he doesnt got slaved by fate but in fact got slaved by his own will and his own egoism ,his main motive thst makes him "choose" rumbling is to satisfacting his desire of false freedom,the sight of freedom he always dream of,sure there other motives like erased titan power,protecting paradise,save his friends,but deep down he wanted to satisfacting his egoism
If i were a mangaka of a popular series and I saw that my ending didn’t do all that great I’d honestly let the anime change the ending This would legitimately be the best use of an anime only ending
@@trueweaver5604 it’s a decent ending, but it does fall flat in some aspects just like the video said. It’s not an unpopular opinion to like the ending. But if it wasn’t so disorienting to the main audience, shaft certain characters, and completely fumble the main message of the series, it would’ve been far better Kinda like Naruto’s ending and how awkward it was
I just appreciated the story for what it was. I kinda growed up watching AOT and I felt a kind of satisfaction when it came to an end, even if wasn't a proper one or one that other's didn't like.
By far the WORST ending of any anime EVER!!! after all they went through it changed absolutely nothing. The closing credits literally show them building up a city just for it too be destroyed by war all over again. What. A. Waste. Of. TIME.
It's a beautiful ending. People will just barked anything they don't like. They thought ohhhh, everyone should be killed! nooo everyone should have an happy ending. Let me remind you that Aot is a controversial story in the first place, ending is going to be hella divisive no matter what. The story is complex and there is no true way of ending this. There will be always those life unsatisfied.
Notice how you can't defend the ending without giving any actual reasons as to why it's good, only excuses for why people don't like it. It's bad, pretty objectively so. You're free to like it, just know you're enjoying bad writing.
@@evanmiller4502 There are multiple plot holes. Most characters act outside of their previous characterization, including and especially Eren. I'm willing to go through this in a massive comment if you want, but I'm working right now and this is the most I can do. Let me know if you want me to.
@@aaronyayger None of the characters acted outside of their characterization. ESPECIALLY eren. he was spot on with his characterization. and there are VERY few plot holes, all minor ones
I love the ending. Very emotional. This reminds me of Code Geas. Also Eren’s plan was flawed and not full proof. The story owns this and is discussed between Eren and Armin. In the end Eren literally says this all happened because he’s an idiot. He also stated to have looked at other paths and that this was the only way (Dune vibes here). Everyone knew conflict wouldn’t end even if he destroyed the world conflict it would just be reduced to Paradis island. Eren just evened the playing field preventing the world from destroying Paradis. Even though it wasn’t everlasting, Paradis Island did know peace for 100s if not a few thousand years.
you completely misinprate him,if you wanna make analysis recontex all the word he said and not make asumpsion by one word,armin-so do you did this for us Eren-no Eren-i wanted to trampled everything Eren-i wanted to see this sight Eren-i just wanted to do it very badly Tell me how are you gonna explain this dialogue?this is what i hate about casual wiewer they completely didnt understand simple dialogue like this Armin-determination?you do this by you own will and you call it determination Armin-why this is happening,is there really no other choice Eren-i thought i do this for protecting you guys,but sahsa,hange,floch died because of me Eren-why?why this is the the only "possibilities and outcome that happening", Eren-its because iam 1diot that got too much power Eren actually have choicee,he doesnt got slaved by fate but in fact got slaved by his own will and his own egoism ,his main motive thst makes him "choose" rumbling is to satisfacting his desire of false freedom,the sight of freedom he always dream of,sure there other motives like erased titan power,protecting paradise,save his friends,but deep down he wanted to satisfacting his egoism .
It is sad when popular TH-camrs speak out on a topic in which they understand little and therefore misinform their significant audience. There are a huge number of errors in this video and the author is clearly not too well versed in AoT. Most of the "problems and plot holes" listed by the author are not such and have an explanation. It's a pity I watched this video too late and now it makes no sense to write a comment with an answer to all the author's claims, since no one will notice it anymore.
I think it’s if you look at world glass half full of glass half empty. I only watched the anime and it looks they fleshed out some of these plot points. A lot still open to interpretation but it seems that the point was humanity is stuck in a perpetual cycle of hate. Humanity is stuck in a time loop. Even when all the power is there is all there to end it the problem will arise again sometime in the future. A depressing tragedy really. The power of the titan is just a accumulation of the malice in humanity.
This is exactly what it should be a bitter ending one where most of our heroes survive but don't change anything just like real life. Perfect story, perfect characters, 10/10 for me no one can change my mind.
That's right. The ending is just like Mikasa described the world as "this world is cruel, but very beautiful as well." Humanity cannot avoid conflict forever, civilizations will raise and fall over and over again; however, this doesn't mean humanity should give up on themselves or stop looking for avoiding conflict. Doing this is all with it, for those little moments that give joy to life, and that make the world beautiful.
Yes, there'll always be conflict. But genociding the world because of it just cause you can isn't really a great problem solver. I really don't get how the remaining Paradis people didn't just get outright executed by the rest of the earths population.
Its because you didn't read the manga in one go like we did. You had multiple breaks between the anime episodes, for example one part releasing 6 months to a year later, so you forgot what happened, otherwise you would have seen all the inconsistencies and retcons like us
He didn't. He got Sasha killed, killed Hange, under his yaegerists many Paradisians died including Shadith and Pixis (whom Eren had a quite good realtionship from the start). Same with the yaegerists who got radicalized because of his actions, like Floch, Daz and Samuel (all his comrades in the scouts). He almost got Levi killed and scarred for life. In the final Battle he seemingly tried to kill the Alliance, shooting Onyankopons Plane down, going after them with multiple Titanshifters. Many last seccond saves and thick plotarmor, the fact none died is thanks to bad writing not Erens restraint. He got Jean and Connie turned into titans, not knowing they could be turned back (because remember he didn't understand Ymir, only Mikasa did, which caused the end to the titan powers). Oh and he also killed his mom. But did he protect them through these actions? No. It's Armins talk no jutsu that makes the tenuous peace possible. Now his remaining friends are condemned to live in a hyper militarized, fascist society that worshippes Eren as their Messiah, surely that will go well for them. As well as live with the lasting psychological trauma of seeing untold millions crushed like ants in their name. How will this affect people like Jean, who joined the scouts because he believed he couldn't bear the knowledge that innodents were dying while he made a cozy existence in Stohess? Not that it matters, all their descendants get wiped out anyway in the credits. Fuck.
@@abrarahmad6370 i rewatched the entire show with my gf after final chapters part 1 aired in March. It was pretty fresh in my mind, i didn’t notice anything wrong with the ending. There was DEF a lot of “plot no jutsu” but nothing bothered me that much. Again, maybe I’m smooth brain.
Exactly. It doesn’t matter if Titans are involved or not. There will always be conflict. Erwin even says “The fight between man will never end. Not until our numbers fall to 1 or less”
What was the point of Eren fighting back and calling all the ancient titans for battle? His plan was to get blown up, transform into a collosal and then get decapitated by mikasa, that would have happened anyways without having to fight and risk their life
Ending was TERRIBLE. Don’t even get me started with the half-assed explanation of Ymir’s pure love over a man than Clapped her beloved family members, IN FRONT OF HER. StalkHolm syndrome is a stretch for me here. In abusive relationships, at least we see that there was grooming and good at one point. It was just all bad with her and the king…..
I don't think Ymir was flip floping. I was pretty clear to me that she wanted to die. That's why she didn't kill Armin. That's why when the moment was right, she helped them destroy the power of the titans, finally freeing her from the paths, allowing her to die at last.
If she wanted to die she wouldve just died. Nothing stopped her. She kept on suffering and contributing to the suffering and death of countless people because ... plot. But then she decided to just stop it when she saw Mikasa overcome her love/conditioning because... plot. It's awful, horrible writing.
@@kappa6544 She stayed a slave even after she "died" but Eren and Mikasa showed her that it must not be that way and she died with Eren because the founding titan was finally killed. If the founding Titan is no more all the titans are gone as they originate from him. Mikasa broke her curse metaphorically and literally physically that's why it's so well written.
@@matijajunger4800 First of all she wasnt killed physically. Thats not possible. If you kill the founding titan without anyone eating it the power just gets transfered to a random eldian baby, like with any other sentient titan. The point the show tried to make is that she stayed alive because muh slave mentality and then she saw mikasa get over her slave mentality and she decided that she doesnt have to be a slave. After 2000 years. Thats all it took. Its stupid at best.
@@kappa6544 Yes but why would this applie to the founding Titan? It's the origin of the Titans and the one that is connected to the hallucigenia and without the rout connection the Titan powers disappear. That's just standard for stuff like that. And yes Ymir was completely traumatized and was a slave and Mikasa overcoming her enslavement to love truly showed her that she does have a choice after all.
This is why time manipulation and time traveling is one of the worst narrative tools in existence. On top of making ur job, as the writer, 50x harder to keep ur story cohesive it by nature invites everyone to deconstruct your work. People saying oh it’s not cool to badger a creative for their creative decisions doesn’t stand here in my opinion bc by design, revisiting everything you established- u ask everyone to do that. Well you better be damn sure ur on point and don’t get lazy or pressed for deadlines bc it’ll prbly self-destruct. If the anime came out over the span of 5yrs instead of a whole decade, the emotional weight of “it’s all coming to an end” doesn’t help it out as much I wager.
The anime was actually slightly different that last convo between armin and Eren the slight shift in where things were said and reactions made a massive impact
As for the very ending. Zeke said life always keeps changing form. The boy that found the tree (and thus centipede) may not even transform into titan but have any other power up / transformation. So titans are no more, one of the main goals of Eren is still completed.
some of these plotholes aside which once you've pointed out, i totally understand and agree, i wanted to mention my thoughts on the rumbling and why i think eren chose that path. in my opinion, i think eren is a very good example of someone who is a slave to freedom and thus a slave to hatred. from the start to the end he was never truly free, because the decisions he made were decisions he felt compelled to make. at first it was simple, he just needed to be free from he walls. then he fought the titans to be free from them. after that he realised when he touched historia's hand that his people cannot truly be free especially, due to the hatred from the outside world, which caused him to do the rumbling. arguably if he never brainwashed his dad to kill the royal family and attain the founding titan or if he never willed the titan to eat his mother, this would never have happened. but it appears that eventually the outside world was bound to invade paradis and kill everyone off. so in order to prevent this and to protect his people, the rumbling was the only way he felt was right. i also quite liked the fact that his motivations behind his actions were for the sake of his friends. rather than justifying his actions as heroic, i arguably say that this exactly presents him as a perfect antagonist somewhat. he is a perfect example of a villain who feels compelled to commit evil based on his own messed up beliefs. reality is people do the extremes for what they think is right and i enjoyed this multi-faceted eren. but despite him saying that, i think a deep part of him truly wanted to destroy the world that he believed to be evil. eren to me is like 'oh it'd be nice if my friends can be painted as heroes and i can finally leave this hell. but you know what if that doesnt work i wouldnt mind world destruction too'. in a sense, being unable to truly taste what freedom is to him simultaneously manifested hatred in him towards those that continue to force him to be a slave - aka the people outside of Paradis and the world of evil itself. despite feeling guilty about this, i think a deep part of him believes in a very twisted way that mass genocide is a way to save his people but also everyone else from a world of suffering. at the end of the day, eren himself is an extremely complex character that was not written for people to love, but written to show the kind of tragedies and horrors that ongoing hatred can create and manifest as a person.
No this is is perfect anybody in eren shoes would have chose the same choice but because people can judge from the outside they “make up a better way “ there was no better way and that’s why after they wanted to kill the eldians and that’s why he had to reduce the world to 20% to make it even possible for the eldians to be able to defend themself if making peace didn’t work ( don’t forget eren could see the future)
It's become apparent over time that those who like the ending are just deluded fanboys. Stupid too, as they don't even seem to understand that the ending was one of the happiest, most MLP Friendship is Magic endings in all of shonen.
True. Hahaha. What pissed me off was that the author kept adding these complex stories; chapters by chapters. He added seemingly cryptic or foreshadow panels but in the end he chose his explanation as, "it just happens".
It all comes down to "Ymir works in mysterious ways". Honestly the finale would make a lot more sense if she was just drunk during the whole thing. "Fuck it, bring back the titan shifters, but only the plot relevant ones!"
The whole ending with the boy finding the tree is great, in my opinion. History always repeats itself and nothing actually matters. There’s no happy endings. This is exactly what Isayama wanted to show
Even if what ur saying is true, even then it would be an extremely weak ending for a show that was so interconnected with its storyline, its shifters, its history to end because magical girl ends it all for only 80% of humanity. Jesus, it sucked.
@@d.barrett578 I dont care for Mikasa. You realize they suddenly made love a plot point for this ending, even tho it was barely ever a thing? Eren just trambling 80% and not 100% as he suggested in his different ending would be a good ending. Him taking a gamble by ''acting'' which he did even in his inner monologue so stockholme girl conviniently saves everyone? Jesus wake up, its a bad ending and not some mikasa hater train youre weirdly driving there lil bro.
I think you should give Isayama some credit and try to understand why he would write the ending like that, rather than trying to assess how the ending matches what you think the ending should be. Because of this, you kinda missed the point of the ending and that's why your proposed alternative endings are so pedestrian. What you point out as plotholes are not holes at all (they cut off Eren's titan head, not Eren's actual head, that why he's able to transform again, just like any other titan shifter /// the Eldians turn into pure titans and then back into humans so both we the audience and the characters can see that the titan powers are gone -whether you like this delivery or not it does serve a purpose /// I could go on). Give the man some credit, this ending might not be satisfying in the moment (it wasn't for me) because there are many layers to it, and it takes time to digest, but you have to digest what's there, not what you think it should have been.
i think the ending is pretty good but the only thing i think is bad about it is that everytime you rewatch it you learn more you cant just get everything on first watch
@@hassentrh2118 that’s the beauty of it 🤌 details and more information that you didn’t know first hand now that you know what happens in the end is what the underlying message is. Eren since a kid was doomed to be the ultimate evil, not just that he knew the future but that he’s incapable of escaping that despite what he does. Each time we’d watch we’d just find more information on how he always knew and maybe even each time he’s tried to avoid that future. The beauty is finding more to explore and deepen the thought behind each panel
Bro this is a Game of Thrones situation. In six months no one will be talking about AoT except to recall that the ending ruined the entire show and killed all the hype from the last ten years.
17:42 you forgot that even that scene follows with a major plot hole and that is mikasa, an ackerman somehow was affected by the founding titans memory manipulation ability.
Totally agree. If Eren wants to destroy 100% of the world, let him stay Villain, not turn him into Lelounch. If Eren wants to destroy 80% of the world, what's the point of killing him? Eren could walk away after achieving his goal. This is a B- ending to what could be a A+ series.
@@IGN1TED I will agree with you if they left Eren's body in Marley as a proof of his death. If not, that make no sense to justify the necessity of his death.
@@DirectlyFromMusic-DFM Rewatch season 1 for Eren's Tatakae scene, during his fight against Arnie. By making Eren sprout the "slave to freedom" sentence in the last episode, Isayama is making a beginner writer mistake of creating inconsistencies of his MC's character.
@@TonyBeanify his fight against arnie ? 😂😂 nah but i see what your saying but season 1 to season 4 allot can change. Its not like Eren is a stone. He is human / titan. Like he said himself. His head is a total mess. Bro was prob in a constant shroom trip seing things in his mind 😂😂
A moment of silence for all the horses, characters, potato girls and Attack on Titan fans that didn't make it to the end.
Dude I literally see you everywhere😂 I saw you on so many John wick TH-cam shorts yesterday bruh
Bro's literally everywhere, name checks out
why? if they didn't get to see this steaming pile of garbage they are lucky
@wyndellleethespammer4497 You’re right, not related to AOT, but one of my biggest fears is not seeing the end of One Piece *knocks on wood*
Aot sucks it promotes terrorism and military aggression
Main characters are fighting in a war started by their own country(Eldia and Marley never signed a treaty, Eldia’s king just ran away to some island)
Main characters literally start a military coup on the government
Main protagonist (who is portrayed heroically as doing things for his friends) attacks the entire world and is thanked by his former friend(who is portrayed heroically)for his aggression and genocide
This story started because Ymir let the pigs loose.
Seriously this all could’ve been avoided if they just killed the kid outright
True
No it's start it with a fucking king of he wasn't a fucking devil and wasn't a night mare for his people if he was more forgiveing to a child and collect the dam pigs instead of going after a dam child
@@dreadmonger7042 Ymir should’ve folded the King when she got those powers.
if the tree was already there, it means the cycle has already once happened and it will happen again forever and ever, because war never truly ends
It seems like anime only watchers havent been anywhere near as negative about the ending as manga readers so far
I honestly think isayama fucked up somewhere down the road where he just decided to change the ending to be less controversial than what he originally planned for the ending to be. This is quite plausible and actually eluded to with the retcons, red herrings, and plot holes within the manga and season 4. To be upset is very understandable. It is what it is and we got the ending we got. And with that we must take what we can from this story. Not a happy unrealistic fantasy. Not a horrific villian domination. But an unsatisfying itch of grounded reality. We must keep moving forward. In a world where conflict is inevitable. To face tragedy with strength, to love and cherish the people we have, and to fight for a better outcome. Ultimately (plot holes aside) that is what this story means based on the ending, and that's as beautiful as it can get.
@@mystery785 I think you are the first person I have seen that said the author f*cked up but also put things into a good perspective. There are a few people I have seen saying that they are disgusted with Isayama retconning parts of the story and saying that they hope for him to never pick up a pen again and stuff like that. I am an anime only but I did not find the author reconning or changing the story as much of a bad thing as some others. And maybe he did change the ending to be less controversial(although the current ending where 80% of the world gets crushed is also going to have plenty of controversy on its own). Also I don’t really find Isayama changing the ending to be a big deal if I am going to be honest, he had been working on AOT for so many years and although he changed parts of the story over time, whether because he wanted to or because of controversial parts, I think it was bound to happen. People change how they feel about certain things and he had been working on AOT for so long with a lot of the story planned out from the beginning. I just don’t blame him for changing things and at the end of the day a lot of the stuff you said is true. AOT was not meant to have a happy ending, and we didn’t get a great or perfect ending. Some people are saying that the ending ruined the whole show for them so idk how bad it was for them but for me personally, I did find the ending satisfying, and it still ties in with AOT and it’s story, some parts of how it tied in were a bit odd, like idk if Isayama could have came up with a better reason than love being the thing that was the reason why Mikasa killing Eren would be what stopped the curse of Ymir(which I still think makes enough sense to be a good way for the curse to end) but either way, I am happy enough about the ending to thank Isayama for AOT.
People can say that is because I am an anime only if they want, but at the end of the day we all are able to experience AOT as well as any other anime or shows in the ways that we want. I prefer watching it as an anime, others might prefer reading it as a manga, and some are going to probably prefer both, but I don’t think we should allow the way we experience AOT to separate us into groups of who liked a part like the ending the least and who liked it the most. Maybe the vocal minorities of people that read the manga are truly all saying worse things than the vocal minority of everyone that only watched the anime, but I just prefer watching anime over reading manga, the story as well as the meaning of AOT are going to be pretty much the same(I know that the convo between Eren and Armin was changed from the manga to the anime and maybe some other smaller things). Another thing people say a lot is that manga onlys scared us by making anime onlys think that the ending was going to be bad. And while yes, the spreading of people thinking did obviously start to generate from the manga, I feel like there were probably only a few people that read the manga that started saying stuff about the ending and the internet did it’s thing and later on stuff about the ending being bad was spread far and wide to the point that it worried anime onlys and stuff like that. The thing is though that there are probably manga readers that, when reading the manga, thought that the ending was fine or maybe even liked it, just like how there are going to be people that are anime onlys that probably hate the ending. My point is that we are all going to have a mix of feelings between each individual and the medium we experience AOT in does not and should not act as a something that seperates us.
@biggamer7245 I believe last minute changes were made which cause the plot holes that are criticed by a bit of people, that's really the only thing that bothered me. I stood up all night coming up with comprehensible explanations for the things that didn't add up at first within the final episode for my own peace of mind. Overall people need to learn to appreciate things for what it is. I'm glad I'm not the only one who can take value from something that admittedly had more potential to wrap up and end everything.
@@mystery785 Yea, I actually have come to understand the ending way way more since I wrote that. Idk why but AOT is probably the first anime where I feel like I need to be able to understand the ending. Whether it was his intention or not, Isayama made AOT and it’s lore so complex and after I started understanding the way the ending was I can’t do anything but appreciate AOT more. I’ve been looking back at certain points of AOT, looking through a ton of videos that try and explain the ending(some that were about why it’s bad and some that were about why it’s masterful) and after everything that I have seen I don’t think there will ever be a day where I don’t talk about AOT as anything but a masterpiece and that is how I feel about it. I also would like for people to be able to appreciate the ending for what it is but I think that the way a lot of people react makes sense considering how massive the ending is as well as all of the misinformation and misconceptions that have been going around because the story being complicated leads to us being able to comprehend everything we are given differently as the individuals that we are. If the ending was much longer and planned out better I do honestly think that most of the controversy would not be here because the way the ending was packed together is enough to make us misinterpret a lot of it. I do feel though that as time passes more of us will come to be able to understand the ending.
@@mystery785
I keep seeing the quote that Isayama changed his ending being brought up a lot, but people seems to have missed that he basically admitted to going back on it.
After season 1s premiere the anime blew up in popularity so Isayama said he changed the ending because he felt more responsible to the readers now due to the popularity.
However during season 4s premier Isayama says
"I think I've always wanted to hurt the reader so I thought maybe I should draw what I've always wanted, maybe that's better"
The ending we got wasn't last minute changed, it was basically something Isayama always wanted to do but seemingly was too scared to do but ended up going for it anyways. The ending is foreshadowed several times in his first 14 chapters actually.
However Isayamas uncertainty of his ending is probably why it feels a bit lacklustre in execution for some people, as it's something he's always wanted but was never sure off
Let’s say ur friend group in High School is constantly bullied. One of your friends of the group decided to sh00t up the school and kill 80% of the staff and student body betting you guys would talk him down for the police to nab him or to stop him yourselves, thereby making u the popular kids in school for the rest of your tenure there. To boot no one really saw it happen cuz they’re all too busy running away, dying or hiding in their locked classes. And u say aww damn man that’s fucked up but I get it dude. Better yet once I graduate I’ll join u in jail cuz besties 4 life. That’s what AOT finale basically did. What a terrible way to get a theme across of violent cycles, true freedom/free will and friendship. SMFH a 10-yr blue balls
What is smfh?
As an American who only watched season 1 of this show and not really into anime to begin with, I am both laughing and crying that I can completely understand why everyone is so upset now. Great analogy. Other countries that actually care about their children will never understand
Ok but you would also have to add a something where if the mc didn’t shoot the school his friends would be killed by another threatening force
@@TunaStrata shaking my F-ing head
The only major thing missing from this analogy is that the staff at that school held an assembly announcing that your friend group are devils with poison blood and the whole school needs to join hands and sing kumbaya after they're done eradicating you... Wait that's not the only thing missing... The staff has been murdering enslaving and torturing everyone in your friend group for as long as you been alive because of something they've been told your ancestors did in an era that no one is still alive from...so... Yeah.
I totally agree the ending of the show / manga is miserable to watch/read and utterly loses sight of everything that made it good though. 10y blue balls✊
My favorite part of the AoT was the fighter jets shooting down the attack helicopter. Imagine watching season one and you hear someone say that.
You could completely get away with it too
Bro no way I literally laughed out from this 😂
are you talking ab paradis getting 9/11d 100s of years later in the credits?
ya how can a fictional story with not the most modern technology achieve that right..
@@rithwikvmenon638 "Right, that would need more technologically advanced cultures and the only humans are inside the... Oh, oh..." 🤣
Don't let this distract you from the fact that Floch tried to save us from Chapter 139.
My king I kneel 🧎♂️
All PRAISE King Floch!!!! The leader we needed!!!
It retcons things that happened a few chapters before.
we respect king floch
Gabi saved sasha from this atrocity too)
The ending scene(of development and Tree) directly or indirectly said
"whether ending is good or bad after some time everyone forgot the Heros and War will begin once Again".
That scene made me speechless
Same
Imo this made the ending quite compelling desptie the plotholes, i dont think an anime like AOT that so often served as political and philosophical commentary on human nature and structural impositions like the history of the eldians and the hate the Marleyan government (and all other governments) felt for eldians as a result. The fact that the ending was one that wasnt a happy ending feels accurate and in sync with the fact that human nature inevatably causes conflict continuesly.
It is depressing yeah
I dunno, I like to think whoever discovered the Titan’s power again decided to use it for good. Call me an optimist, but history doesn’t always have to repeat itself
@@_______7783Exactly what I’ve been saying. What mattered to eren was two things, the safety of his people especially his friends for as long as they could live, and ending the titans. He achieved both of those things for better or worse despite all the crazy godlike power he had and barely understood, he never was trying to save the entire world. In the end he pretty much leveled the playing field by killing 80% of humanity, conflict was never going to stop and that’s where I think people watching this series go wrong in expecting things to stop once the titans were gone.
27:48 I always prefered this. I didn't need Eren to be this master, all-knowing puppeteer that manipulated his own father in the past to get him to be able to pass the Attack Titan powers in weird time paradox shenanigans. I was absolutely ok with Eren being the manifestation of all the hate the world threw against the Eldians coming to give some of that hate and violence back and Armin and Co. breaking the cycle and restoring peace for a while or at least ending the Eldian-Humanity conflict forever. Now humans could erase themselves without the intusion of giants.
It would have been a more typical ending but The Last of Us showed us that you don't need an overly complicated plot to make a good story if the characters are good and I think AOT had that type of characters.
Yeah this. They flip flopped on the character every other story point. I guess to appease the shippers and fanboys. No idea. He has so many conflicts of interests and totally different goals and honestly changed his entire character in season 4 and made everything else pointless
I hate the time travel, alternate univerise shit
Alternate Timeline Story destroyed AOT. Now whenever you rewatch any season, you know exactly it happened because of Eren. What a way to throw away 7 years of storytelling, great!
Problems with the ending:
1. Eren killed his mother so he could have a reason to be mad as if watching your people get eaten by titans wasn't enough. This also means that he is a bigger monster than the titans. He is the reason his mother died so he should hate himself more than titans.
2. Ymir loves King Fritz, a guy who murdered and enslaved her people, alsmost killed her then raped her and used her to kill so many of people and enslave others. He also cheated on her. Good Lord...
3. Historia became totaly irrelevant for no reason.
4. Eren wants to save his friends, but doesn't stop the titans from killing Hanji. Also, he almost murdered every single one of them.
5. The alliance has way too much luck and convenient moments.
6. Eren "doesn't want to leave the future of Paradis to be in danger". He also does exactly that...
7. Only Ymir knows.
8. Eren doesn't know why he did what he did and just wanted to see the world burn even though he had plenty of good reasons to explain his actions.
9. "It was Mikasa"... Mikasa's character is one of the most neglected characters in the entire story and then she just suddenly becomes a reason for Ymir doing what she did... absolutely 0 sense.
10. "Eren, what a man you are."
Well said
💯
You didn't pay much attention did you.
1. Eren sacrificed his family because it was the only way things can play out as they did. He told his father to kill the Historias half siblings, and used his brother to his own advantage. Why you have a problem with him using people when Hange herself pointed out how they lost trust in Eren when he went AWOL knowing they would risk their lives to save him should have been a clue.
2. She was hunted and used long before the king did anything and it can be viewed as a unhealthy relationship even if she did love the man who are we to judge her logic when all she wanted was to be accepted?
3. Eren made it clear as day he didn't want historia to be apart of it, and didn't want her kid to eat her to inherit the titans powers. Her biggest role was to GIVE Eren time to figure things out and it worked and now that child can grow up free from being looked down as a devil/not in a repeated cycle of eating the parent.
4. Did you not see how Eren reacted to Sasha's death? Do you not think that freedom doesn't come without sacrificing a few to save the many? Hangi choose to stay behind, she choose to go out and fight and because of a series of events that delayed their take off it was not Eren's fault she ended up dying for them trying to stop him.
5. Eren killed so many friends and enemies alike that idfk what you count as lucky when Armin and Mikasa were the key into saving the world, and ensuring a cycle of hate/prejudice ends for the people he cares about.
6. No he did not. His friends and the love of his life live a PEACEFUL life. What the world and Paradise does after they are all gone is up to THEM to maintain the peace for however long they can keep it. Mankind created the likes of Eren and it was Mankind who ended the long lasting peace his death created.
7. Well she has manipulated Eren for over 2000 ywars to be free and she finally is. She knew that one day Eren would be born to free herself from her own power, and she needed to make sure Eren was groomed for the role to do it but he was scared at what he had to do to give it all up in order to save those he could.
8. No he didn't. If you listened to the songs in AoT they tell you the state of Eren and Mikasa and how it is a back and forth struggle of knowing what has to be done will destroy eachother and Eren has to prepare Mikasa to live in a life without him. Everything he has done was for her to be happy, and live the life he couldn't give her for he was always meant to do this even though he wanted to run off with her and be happy.
9. Oh my lord....Mikasa always knew Eren will DIE in some capacity for in the OVA's Eren is meant to die and Eren tried to reach out to her in the paths to prepare her. In the world he created just for her where they lived out their lives when she confessed her feelings those were Eren's attempts to reach out to her for she kept calling out his name no matter where he was. It's poetic that Mikasa went from a girl who had everything taken from her to a woman who ended up having a family, friends, and could live in a peaceful world they fought for, and the one thing she had to do was let Eren finally die even though neirher of then wanted it to be this way.
10. He is a boy when the events happen and his future self needed certain events to happen even when he tried looking for so many ways out and the only way he and mikasa could have been happy is if they sacrificed everyone even Armin to be happy with the little time they had left. However that wouldn't solve anything and Mikasa would die once Marly and the world invaded. He is the bigger man who didn't get to have everything he wanted and sacrificed few close people to him as possible in order to save everyone else and their families which is something he never got to choose because YMIR needed to be free.
Please don't just hate something that is pretty easy to understand.
@@masterblaster3508everyone understands it, man-child.
And it’s still a horrendous ending for way many more reason that op didn’t even mention.
It’s bad. A waste of time considering how it fks the entire series since a huge chunk of it relied on “it will pay off/it’s a set up” style of writing.
A potential 9-10/10 became a fat 7 at best
@@danielz-v4083
"Bad writing"
Is that all you got? What is the bad writing according to you? Explain because I stated how all of his or her points were pretty easy to answer so where is your excuse or are you just jumping on the hate wagon as your response is more or less proving my point?
The problem is Eren needed to die and there needed to be a dramatic ending. Theoretically, just by having the founding Titan, Eren could have forced the Marleyans into a peace treaty by threatening them with a rumbling. Instead the author wanted a convoluted code geass ending, which didn’t land. This story was never meant to turn out happy, but nothing was achieved or gained by all of the loss. The author wanted to convey history repeats itself, which wasn’t needed directly after having the main character sacrifice himself and 80% of humans for peace. The ending seemed absolutely meaningless.
Exactly! You nailed it. Honestly, it sounds like humanity would have been better if they hadn't bothered to stop the rumbling. Which is an strange state of affairs given everything the story was building towards.
Its not a disney story princess. Sometimes people destroy shit just cuz.
@@Doggo505 God you’re so right, the whole reason behind Eren doing anything is just cuz. Absolutely masterful writing.
I'm not sure what happened with Eren wanting to end the "cycle of hatred". If you're going to start then go all the way. The existance of Eldians threatens the existence of humans. Zeke's solution to this was to sacrifice all Eldians and Eren's solution was (up until the finale) to sacrifice all non-Eldians. Hange's (and friends) solution seemed to be in the middle, indecisive. They were somehow going to create peace. Now it turns out everything Eren worked for was for peace as well. I don't really understand this though, because sure there's going to be peace for the near future, but what about 50, 100, or 200 years from now? It's in human nature to eliminate that which threatens your existance. And as we see in one of the ending frames, Eren's grave ends up littered with bullet casings. So war did come to Paradis after all. Eren half-assing it didn't end up doing much in the long run, so yeah im dissapointed with the ending.
Did you mean Marleyans instead of Eldians?
I think you misunderstood the Falco part. It's not that he happened to shift and fly off. He thought he might be able to fly and they chose to sacrifice the ship in hopes he could be of use in the fight. Annie got with them because she couldn't let the kids go into war alone while she alone stood down.
yep this
Thank you finally someone gets it
falco inherited the jaw titan. the jaw titan cannot fly, they do not explain why falcos jaw titan can fly.. its just all way too convenient and a load of bs
@@TomTang-sj2zk falco turning into a bird was called back to his first introduction
Do titan powers really make sense? Plus the bird design seemed like the Jaw Titans next evolution sure isayama could have explained it but he did call back to it
Bro the ending had a little girl fall in love with her rapist and compared it to mikasa crossing over eren she kept the scarf masterpiece this show is disgusting also don't believe ending defenders they straight up delusional
The fight between eren and his friends is so boring because there s nothing at stake we know eren is holding back it's just make the titans on his back look stupid
Eren isnt holding back AT ALL,you completely misinprate him,if you wanna make analysis recontex all the word he said and not make asumpsion by one word,armin-so do you did this for us
Eren-no
Eren-i wanted to trampled everything
Eren-i wanted to see this sight
Eren-i just wanted to do it very badly+yeah ymir plotline is ass but thats the only bad aspects
Tell me how are you gonna explain this dialogue?this is what i hate about casual wiewer they completely didnt understand simple dialogue like this
Armin-determination?you do this by you own will and you call it determination
Armin-why this is happening,is there really no other choice
Eren-i thought i do this for protecting you guys,but sahsa,hange,floch died because of me
Eren-why?why this is the the only "possibilities and outcome that happening",
Eren-its because iam 1diot that got too much power
Eren actually have choicee,he doesnt got slaved by fate but in fact got slaved by his own will and his own egoism
,his main motive thst makes him "choose" rumbling is to satisfacting his desire of false freedom,the sight of freedom he always dream of,sure there other motives like erased titan power,protecting paradise,save his friends,but deep down he wanted to satisfacting his egoism
The answer to all the plot holes in the story is "it is what it is"
😂
The world of Power Rangers has a better line for that
From the immortal words of Gosei "There's a simple explanation for that"
@@aestheticjedi1868another linkara fan?
@@aquaarmour4924 nah, already left PR(including the community) after Super Megaforce for Super Sentai and Kamen Rider.
Only Ymir Knows.
Ymir shouldn't have made any titans after the Doomsday titan to begin with, Eren literally freed her and told her it's alright to stop serving people that don't even know or care about you. Also the fact that killing Zeke stopped the Rumbling was strange as well considering that Ymir stopped caring about royal blood, but stopped the Rumbling because the royal blood disappeared
if you think that then you didnt understand
@@yeetnessthegreater1298 Didn't understand what?
@@furiousdestroyah9999didn't understand because its all about love. the whole show is about Love. how did you not realise that. u stupid? i did and now i am not stupid. wow what an ending
@@furiousdestroyah9999 Eren only offered sympathy for her, that doesn't mean liberation. Ymir was obviously angry but also she knew this action would lead to her final liberation and the end of the Titan powers
It is more like addiction (don't take it like that though), when you want to stop an addiction for a long time but really can't, it has attached itself to your mind so you can't get rid of it and instead rage (rumble) when you can't get over it and in the end are liberated from it by self realisation
"I don't know what happens after I die, but I know... you can make it to the other side of the walls. Humanity will be saved by you, Armin." Eren's last words to Armin, before he wipes their memories and leads them to his death.
22:01 he said he ran countless changes to the future this was the best one.
He’d still get to annihilate the people outside the walls while giving his friends a chance to kill him of their own free will. Them being heroes was just a side note and an excuse.
Its just stupid man. Did everyone forget Eren could wipe memories aswell? NOTHING was telling Eren, that Marley wouldnt continue the war, especially after what they have been witnessed. All the ''good'' things just happened because the writer said so. Its garbage.
**SPOILERS BELOW**
As a reader of the manga, when it ended people had very similar reactions to how people are reacting now, and after all that time what I can say for sure is that this ending has grown into me afterwards, I can accept it and somewhat see how this was fated to be their resolution. Eren was never going to stop fighting to be free, and his freedom would never be reached in life without the extermination of humanity outside the walls. I hoped for a better ending for him, but the ending we got was appropriate for the story, and it was beautifully adapted and accturate to the source material (manga).
I can honestly say it helped me understand the manga so much better I used to hate the last shot of the new tree and the little boy but this time around I had a smile on my face wondering what he’s gonna do with the hood like power now ?? I loved it all
Idk I personally feel like the ending was perfect, there wasn't really a situation that would have been better for Eren
You mean to tell me, people thought eren living was a better suited ending?!?
Realistic endings are extremely rare nowadays but when they are implemented they honestly be the best kind of endings.
It was way better than in the manga. I think the problem is the long wait plus the mid storyline. As manga readers we should be at least happy that it was improved alot, however for anime only views it can hurt
@@hedgehoge90The storyline was mid? R u sure?
Also i kinda like the whole war thing because they talked about it in the first season when the general asked eren if he thought one bad guy would unite all of the people and eren said it could for a little bit but human nature would cause more wars. I also like how the marleans still didnt trust the eldians because it shows that generational racism doesnt go away after a day and that they can say whatever they want but it takes time and effort before their mindset can truly change
@CombatUnit621 yeah I also left out where Eren called himself an idiot because this was his only idea and how armin blamed himself because he didn't help eren come up with a different idea
@@CombatUnit621 he did not say "It was a dumb idea". He said "He is and idiot who got super powers".
That completely means different things lol.
Like if his plan is "completely dumb" as you have said then none of his plans would have worked and Eren would not even have told Historia how to deal with the repercussions of his actions.
Him being and idiot just means, that whatever he ended io doing is not the most "big brain" plan genius people can come up with. His plan is basically something a normal dude could have think off if put in his situation.
@sonzhon7216 Yeah, he mentioned how eren called it a bad idea, and I was saying eren called himself an idiot because he couldn't come up with a different plan
@@Snzn_7 rather I think it was supposed to be more like this, eren is the same as the people in power, in so many generations we have seen so many rulers and kings (people with power) starts wars over stupid reasons like a complete idiot and cause all the death and destruction of the world and eren is just like them, an idiot who was given too much power
@@CombatUnit621so, what Eren believes when he is 10 years old should count because… character development much?
I think watching this whole thing as a movie really helps paper over the plot holes. I can't imagine reading it as it came out
@@JaysTVRN give someone however many hours it takes to watch AOT in one sitting and give someone else a literal decade of slowly analyzing every chapter and discussing theories/details/speculations as they come out. who is going to notice more plot holes? that's the point sergio is making..............................
It was amazing up until the last 6 chapters. It got continually worse until the absolute shitshow that was the ending. Fun stuff to watch the fandom on flames and 12yo twitter users calling it deep and shit.
yes i totally agree. I kept up with the manga until the end all those years ago and omfg it was just such a mess. But watching it in the anime made is a LOT more palatable. Especially with the voice acting and dialogue changes that kinda fixed some things a little. In any case, the ending is still not the best, but its not as bad as i remember it lol
@@Vanix9696exactly this
there are no plot holes in the story though.
Season 1 to 3 of attack on titan was incredible but season 4 had so many plotholes...Also no information is provided about that worm like creature which remains a mystery
The ending is just one big M. Night Shyamalan fever dream.
Anybody notice when Annie was refusing to fight and going to the ship, everyone except Levi waved her off?
She stomped Petra 😭😭
She ki**ed his squad..and first love of his life.
@@Nermeen. Levi never loved Petra
I did he was glaring at her
Not much but that was honest enough for me
@@Nermeen. Isabel is more like Levi's true love.
Wow, I didn't find all these problems, but the ending felt wrong to me because you have to bring these connections, these many loose threads together yourself, something that hasn't been the case to this extent in the whole story up to this point. It feels like one or more pieces of the puzzle are missing. In this context, to justify Ymir's actions for all these centuries ultimately through her love for the king seems implausible and incomprehensible to the audience against the backdrop of all the previous history. I never had a moment here where I thought "ok, that explains everything now".
All in all, this is complaining on a high level, but if there's anything to criticize about the series, then in my opinion it's clearly the ending.
It doesn't have enough satisfying explanations or the positive vibes to make up for it.
I honestly think isayama fucked up somewhere down the road where he just decided to change the ending to be less controversial than what he originally planned for the ending to be. This is quite plausible and actually eluded to with the retcons, red herrings, and plot holes season 4 had. To be upset is very understandable. It is what it is and we got the ending we got. And with that we must take what we can from this story. Not a happy unrealistic fantasy. Not a horrific villian domination. But an unsatisfying itch of grounded reality. We must keep moving forward. In a world where conflict is inevitable. To face tragedy with strength, to love and cherish the people we have, and to fight for a better outcome. Ultimately (plot holes aside) that is what this story means based on the ending, and that's as beautiful as it can get.
@@mystery785 this would be an explanation, but I heard that this actually is the ending he planned long ago. so another explanation would be that the story is simply evolved, and that the concept for the ending simply did not fit any more or not so good to the rest of the story.
@@mystery785 Yea he changed it after the success of Season 1 in response to the new found popularity, and the responsibility he felt to the readers/watchers.
He has been known to hesitate ALOT in his writings and u can see it here and there as time went on, and how any of the notable changes he oversaw for the anime adaption became the official canon tht retcons a good bit of what the manga has shown.
Ending being a perfect recent example where dialogue order, extended or added scenes, changes and pacing was improved a good deal.
And explains why the "backlash" was ALOT more minimal for anime onlys or converted manga readers from hating to loving or at least appreciating the ending for wht it is.
(Despite requiring the audience to go back through messages, symbolism, etc of the series to fully comprehend what the ending was trying to say)
Problems? More like general misconceptions about the series
I mean at first I thought the same about the credits: “it was all for nothing”. Then I remember Armin with Zeke and how they talked about what made life worth living. War can still happen and the titans can come back but it’s not about the multiplying of life but about the little things that make life worth living, that make it all for something.
hat is the message of the anime? Genocide actually works great if you're doing it to protect your friends and family? In the anime is showed Paradis being annihilated like 500 - 700 years or more into the future which means genocide does work and more people should be like Eren
Eren should have succeeded in killing off everything outside of Paradis and then the timeskip ending shows that there is a civil war 100 years or 200 years later. There will always be war, no matter what you do. It doesn't even matter if you kill everyone outside of Paradis. More land and more greed, civil war. It shows Eren's decision was wrong in the end. There is no peace no matter what you do. His friends children or grandchildren still die in the end. This depressing message would have been more better than the message that genocide makes peace last for 700 - 1000 years
So what was worth living? The plot points the author made to look like it would be a happy end? If mikasa & friends returned to paradis, they would be hung as traitors. With a severed head over hundred miles of flattened continent, with no food no less.
I think Ymir could have definitely made easy work of everybody trying to stop Eren but i think she mightve held back because those were Eren’s friends. She could have easily taken Armin’s head off but clearly Eren already had plans for Armin with the memories coming back, she probably didnt want to get in the way of that.
exactly it lacks a solid foundation it leaves us guessing and its just lazy writing
@@TomTang-sj2zk no it isnt lmao ymir was watching mikasa and was going along with eren she was seeing if mikasa would have that moment with her lover like ymir and switz during the spear throw. to see if mikasa would of actually kill eren unlike her when she saved Fritz.
@@TomTang-sj2zklol it’s low IQ guys like you that gives the ending of the series a bad wrap.. you don’t even understand Ymir’s role or presence there
@@ItsMe-bt4tm That shit was stupid. You're telling me that in 2000 years Ymir didn't see a single instance of love or someone freeing themselves from their opressor. What about Ymir and Historia? Zeke and Grisha? Those are instances of love but if you're talking about specifically someone freeing themselves from their opressor, what about Historia overthrowing Rod Reiss, an opressive figure that tried to use her for his own goals?
2000 years but a half eldian killing her brother and kissing his decapitated head is what cured Ymir. Makes sense.
@@KBhunterx262 Yeah you named people who care for each other unlike Eren/Mikasa and Ymir/Fritz who were (romantically) in love. Different aspects of love.
Now if you wanna say Ymir loving Fritz is psychotic which is true I get that. But, if you look at real life and how fucked people of the past had relationships back then (incest, power, status, age gaps, multiple lovers) not all that far off on how we can see Ymirs viewpoint on what Love is to her and the relationship she had with Fritz. Imo her low IQ, Status, Daughters, and Empire they built together is what made her love Fritz in a sick way.
it is hard to make a good ending for a unexpected success. yeah different plot points could have been taken to make it more cohesive.
This show went downhill after season 3. Season 4 felt like bad quality at times and then after paths it spiralled out of control. Wtf was Isayama thinking? I got tired of the show and dropped it after season 4 pt 2. I didn't watch the final 2 parts and I don't think I ever will. Sad as AoT was my favourite ever show when season 3 ended. What could have been
Whether it was easy or hard, that's doesn't excuse the shit ending. I'd rather it be on indefinite hiatus than end like this.
@@zub41r75it was actually fire at start. After annie pie scene it went downhill
@@Doom_Guy__what exactly don’t u like abt it? To my understanding a lot of people don’t like it because of the extra pages and a war had broke out and it seemed like everything eren did was for nothing which in actuality his only mission was to make sure his friends lived a long and happy life which they did he accomplished his goal and I think the ending is appropriate it reflects our own world in a way, there’s always gonna be a group of individuals who who don’t accept others for who they are based on religion, or race u see that with Marley and Eldians and our world with all these hate crimes as of late, war is always gonna be a thing when it comes to humanity we can never coexist with eachother and accept others for who and what they are the ending to me is perfect aot is a dark story from beginning to finish
@@Alzrozax Well everything essentially WAS for nothing. The payoff of all the accumulated greatness from the show's most defining moments fell flat on its face in the end. I've seen literally fanfics with better endings than that. And then there's the absolute character assassination of Eren. It's okay for him to have regrets in the end but to be a complete child about it is embarrassing. I say wear what he's done, atrocities and all on his sleeve and own up to his own faults. There's more, but the video pretty much explained most of it. Feels like the time I invested in this show was completely wasted, YEARS. At this point, I'm just going to look for something similar with a way better ending cause yeesh. And don't give me that "it's hard to write good endings crap" either. Regardless of if it was hard or not that doesn't excuse the slop we got at the end of an almost well crafted story. Such a fumble 😔
People that said the ending is good and that you don't understand the story ... conveniently doesn't try to explain why they liked it or what is the "true" understanding of the story.
You don’t need a reason to like something, sometimes something just makes you happy… do you think everyone that says they liked it is just lying?
@@justicemcintosh3294”something makes you happy.” There you go buddy you have your reason LOL. What are you saying? We as humans don’t gravitate towards something WITHOUT reason 🤣🤦🏻. They aren’t lying. Their understanding is flawed and this leads to their reason for liking it ALSO BEING FLAWED.
@@Vortex_ICEcold so they’re objectively wrong for liking it? What?
People who don't understand the ending, don't understand the plot. It's safe, but makes complete thematic sense.
@@CrossxFir3I understand the ending, I just don't like it
The thing with eren distracting the smiling titain is that one time paradox (think it's bootstrap) where an event happens then a character goes back in time to that moment and realises that even isn't going to happen so makes it happen. So eren making the smiling titain eat his mum is because that's how he had it happen and how it needs to happen so his precived events can still occur. There was no other way that happened. Atleast that's how I think that all works I'm not exactly sure correct me if I'm wrong.
It's still stupid. He didn't have to write it ignoring Bertholdt. Isayama wrote himself into a corner that he had to write himself out of. Very stupid. We didn't have to see it entering and ignoring Bertholdt.
He wrote it to explain the time paradox Eren was in.
Eren knows he needs Bertholdt so he saves him not knowing what year or time it is.
Time when Eren's mom is in danger.
@@m.i.aa.i.m383 He doesn't have to write Bertholdt being saved, my guy. It's a completely superfluous scene. There doesn't need to be a loop where Eren has to kill his mom. It's an unnecessary contrivance that ends up butchering Eren as a character.
@@aaronyaygerno, it demonstrates how stuck Eren is. Dina/smiling titan walked past Bertholdt. Dumb titans eat everyone, even titan shifters. Dumb titans also can’t be hidden from, see Season 1. Ignoring that incident would be leaning a loose end, even if most people would miss it. But, more importantly it has value that OG commenter mentions. Eren is stuck, if he stops Dina, his mom doesn’t get eaten, he never becomes the Founder, and but someone else does and completes the Rumbling. Like a fixed event from Dr. Who. This whole point is to illustrate that despite how immensely powerful Eren has become, he is incredibly powerless to change anything. We’ve seen this before when Eren failed to save Hannes. Eren is a tragic character. People will always live, fight to live and die, with or without Eren, with or without the existence of Titans. Despite how ludicrous the world seems, there we see multiple times how seemingly simple but meaningful moments keep driving the characters to live. Which I think is the point of Attack on Titan.
So back to your point I think it is valuable they included that scene. Please correct me if you disagree, I’ll be thinking about this finale all week
@@aaronyayger why does he not have to write it? So the story will be simple and open to more plot holes?
Imagine this,
You have the power of a god and you cant even save your mom?
How stupid is that story?
No hate, just love. Though I feel like you are purposely missing on major keypoints and context to make the ending plot sound purposefully worse. I don't know whether you are aware of how to truly analyze a stories plot from a international standpoint like those who literally spend their life doing it. Instead we are going to be watching a guy who watches one type of story over and over again, and if they don't go the typical "cultural norms" of other animes is a presumed a "bad ending" I'm going to build some of my own constructed keypoints at your weak critiscm of others.
1. What you stated at 3:11 goes against every slander and hit you attempted to take of those who enjoyed the ending. Which is really ironic for all the degrading comments and images you were showing that had no relevance to the plot itself but rather the divided community... If you are to really come from a unbias neutral standpoint. Start the video at 3:11 and end it on 3:31 because just those 20 seconds is the only time you have sympathize and chose to understand other standpoint. Besides that you are just tooting your own horn and other "like minded" of you.
2. AOT is one of the shorter of the known animes. So 4:29 got me raising my brow. With having 36 hours worth of screen time. It managed fit far far more than most animes. With only one other anime below that timestamp with a better reputation is FMA:B with only 25 hours of screentime. Now if you did a simple google search of comparing almost every running anime stories of todays time. From beginning and end of the story. That is no where near as dreadfully long as every other animes with just painful to watch filler episodes. Now don't get me wrong, shorter does not mean better. As shown with Demon Slayer with there story having little to no character development living in la la land, and thats just the tip of the iceberg with there overwhelming plotholes.
Why does it feel long then? Well, thats because it has been slowly fed to us throughout a whole decade, with the Isayama perfectionism to not fuck up his first hit of a story.
3. Ok this is only the first "major point" and I am already banging my head on the desk. At 6:22 and those who blindly believe that Falco just out of nowhere could become a bird, please read the manga of the ship scene. It was cut of the anime for who knows why. But it explains in thorough detail in the story (in multiple occassions) that if someone inherits the memories of previous titans that they inherit their traits. So yes, there was a titan who could fly. Falco regained their memories, and now inherited their flying traits. It was theorized that it was due to ingesting Zeke's spinal fluid ultimately ending him in the whole situation in the first place.
Now for the statement at 7:20 I am starting to think you are thinking of this with 0 understanding of what a "prophesied story" means. Ymir was not going to kill Armin, as it was all planned to free her from the 2000 year curse of love stopping her from passing on. Why is this not noticed? I am not sure? Quite literally was repeated over and over. There was a teaser of Eren inability to change anything of the future. But all of a sudden that isn't noticed? They sent Armin there knowing he wasn't going to die, and to explain him more of it all.
It becomes more of a headscratcher at 8:05 . The object that Armin and Zeke were passing around purpose apparently also flew over your head like no other. Whenever the "leaf from that hill" or the "throw and catch baseball" was shown in the story. You completely undermined it's original meaning and gave it your own definition. It was for a micro purpose not a macro like you made it out to be. It was a warming reminder on why THEY not the world but THEIR very moment on why THEY should keep on living. Not for anyone else. Why? well because it was clear that Zeke and Armin had the same object but saw very different things from distant memories and scenes. Meaning it was a on a micro level. It was just a reminder on what moment made Zeke and Armin realize why they want to "live"
At 8:44 and my brain is starting to... This man has created some sort of interepation of the plot like no other. It was stated clear as day that King Fritz and his bloodline are the only people who have the ability to have awoken titan ability. So as long as Zeke is being leeched off from doing much with Ymirs capability of restricting him, and Eren ability to leech off of his royal blood to awaken his powers. They can fulfill the prophecy. Eren lives in the future and the past, he shares the memories of Ymir, and every other founding titan after her up until Eren. So in conclusion, Eren and Ymir are on the same page, while Zeke was not in that very moment. Not until he was aware of the true meaning of it all. It was all destined. Why is this guy not aware of anything of this sort? I am too very very curious. I really recommend you reread of just the last two arcs of the anime before you make a half an hour video of just completely misinforming everyone.
This essay of a comment is getting too long, so unless if its even regarded to anyone of importance that would be nice to know. Besides that I have many more to say, including of the clear bias understanding on why bittersweet endings exist, and why many do not approve of it. Until then, have a blessed day, I need to go outside and enjoy some socializing now
Its been an honor to hope with all of u, hopechads
Just finished the last few episodes and i did not think this show could disappoint me but damn was i wrong. Literally 10/10 for most of the first 3 seasons and a masterpiece of an anime was butchered so hard in the last episodes its just sad
I watched the last episode and thought it was a good ending. Eren is a complicated character, there's layers to the truth of his actions which he justifies and rationalises with Armin. The first layer is the idea of making his friends heroes by becoming the enemy, the second layer is for Mikasa, his friends and Eldians to live long lives without being Subject of Ymir which he accomplishes, but the final layer is that he simply wanted to trample the world and commit genocide. Eren did not change, he's still the whiny, naive child, we saw before he kissed Historia's hand, he wanted to kill all who stood between him and his freedom. And what happens afterwards is the reality of human history; war, conflict and destruction repeating itself.
Here are some plot holes/problems with the ending…
1.Zeke dying shouldn’t have affected eren’s control of the rumbling (Plot Hole)
2.Eren shouldn’t have been able to transform into a colossal titan without Zeke or the hullucigenia (Plot Hole)
3.Eren/Ymir shouldn’t have been able to manipulate Mikasa’s memories since she’s a Ackerman (Plot hole)
4.Falco shouldn’t have been able to master his titan within minutes to a few hours (Either plot hole or contrivance/bad writing)
5. The hullucigenia scene MAKES ZERO SENSE… all it wants to do is live so why the hell was it going after eren? The worm is a parasite… just think about it all it needed was a host and there were plenty people surrounding it, so why didn’t it just attach to one of the dozens around it. (Plot Hole)
6. Ymir also makes ZERO SENSE she should basically have a 4D perception of things and be able to see the past,present and future. So why would she want to make any of this happen and see Mikasa or have eren tell her something if she already knew what happens(Plot hole or just bad writing)
7. Mikasa just apparently walks to paradis across hundreds to thousands of miles and crosses the ocean on foot (Kind of knit picky but still kinda bad writing)
8. Reiner the plot armor titan shouldn’t have been able to survive the blast from the colossal’s transformation.( contrivance)
9.The hullucigenia is never really explained like at all and it’s a key and foundational part of the story. They just kind of introduced a worm that has the ability to manipulate space/time, create pocket dimensions and give form to peoples will and don’t explain much about it. All we know is that it’s a ancient parasite basically. (Bad writing)
…Tell me if there are any plot holes I missed💀
There are other bad writing point as well but I don’t even wanna bother listing them. The ending was cool to watch, had a lot of eye candy and was a thrill ride but if you analyze it for a second even slightly objectively you realize it’s riddled with problems even outside of the array of plot holes. It’s a objectively bad ending even though it’s a cool watch.
1. Zeke was the one that bought Eren into paths, maybe that had something to do with it
2.He transformed into a colossal titan probably by just using the founding titan
3.Mikasa is still technically Eldian but she’s immune to certain things.
4.Bertolt was able to master the colosal titan with one transformation, Falco mastered it with his second with the help of memories from zeke
5.Because he’s the main host and had the founding titan.
6.Thats a good one, i need to look more into that
7.True, a reason for that would be nice.
8.Reiner always was able to survive a colossal titan explosion.
9.All we know is it was created during the beginning of the universe, it’s based on around life, and is a parasite.
@@7iscoe 1. Zeke was only needed because Ymir would only listen to royal blood but eren broke Ymir from her servitude of royal blood
2. He didn’t have the powers of the founder since the worm was detached and he also didn’t have control over the founder apparently since Zeke was killed that’s why the rumbling was stopped
3.Ackerman memories and mind can’t be manipulated by the founder that’s why they were persecuted
4. Bertholdt was likely taught how to use his titan before the mission to paradis just like the other titan candidates
5. Eren was no longer its host and there’s no reason why the parasite wouldn’t just attach to someone else especially after Zeke explains that it’s main goal is survival
8. No he has never been shown or said to be able to survive it until that scene and why would he be more durable than the founding titan anyways or be able to be severely damaged by a couple thunder spears but not completely destroyed by the “mini-nuke” from the colossal’s transformation.
9. It wasn’t said to be created at the beginning of the universe, it was one of the early life forms that existed tho and by the end of the series something as important and foundational as it should have been explained and elaborated on further especially when it’s abilities are so out of the ordinary in the AOT universe where most things are similar to real life.
One of the biggest disappointments for the ending with me was the hullucigenia . There was so much mystery building up behind the titans origins and to see it easily explained away by a parasite that latches onto a host was extremely underwhelming.
@@KingKongLaQuieshaI mean what else would it have been? Some weird force from an alternate dimension? Aliens? God?
Persoanly, for me, I was watching a video regarding the final episode and this TH-camr said something that made the waffling from eren make compete and total sense, since Eren is observing the past present and future simultaneously he is a child whilst also being 2,000 years old, hence why we got the scene of him acting like a little kid as a grown man, he even prior to that had said “my heads messed up” which reinforces this concept. I also have a question, what the hell would aot be if eren never sent the Titan that ate his mother, what is the original timeline then? How would have things panned out?
Although for it's not really stated and more headcannon, I felt that Ymir gets freedom through Mikasa by learning to be ok with holding your abuser accountable. That is to say, she loved the old king out of Stockholm or PTSD or whatever, doesn't really matter, but that relationship is mirrored in Mikasa. She also loves Erin (for whatever reason) but hes hurting her. Hes killing her friends, calling her out, bringing her pain. Through Mikasa both accepting that she does love Erin but also doing what has to be done, Ymir learns that she can still love the old king even if she acknowledges that he did terrible things to her. The moment where Mikasa kisses Erin after decapitating him is for me, that critical moment (so i didn't hate it) But! literally all of that was contrived and is never actually stated or really talked about in the show so i might be giving too much credit
No that's literally what the motive is, it's more detailed in the anime than the manga. Isayama wrote the script for the anime I think to kind of get more of the point across because for manga readers a lot of it was kind of vague (I also read the manga). A lot of his points and issues with the manga were provided way more nuance in the anime.
Bro who is this erin thing
Eren wasn't even her abuser, he literally said he wanted to live with her. Ymir herself made eren look the abuser and then made him kill 80% of humanity just so mikasa will finally stop being " uwu eren" and kill him so ymir can be free. Tell this isn't the dumbest plot
This makes sense especially considering that eren was such a bully when he met her and armin at the table before setting off to find zeke. He had already visited her through the paths, he had professed his love for her many times. He only ever said truly hateful and hurtful things to her at that table. Probably because he knew he had to to get her to strike him down at the end.
That whole plot was really stupid.
I'll say the animation was certainly and deservedly the best of the series, given the scale and significance.
I'd read the manga so the ending did not hit me as hard as anime only watchers may have been. Its one of those endings that really don't satisfy you, but then there is no better ending to the series.
My gripes were oddly more of the tonality and score. AOT was the anime that got me into the importance of having a great score, so it has really set standards for me. Here, I felt that the score and both the tonality was pretty much more Marvel-ly, with energetic, upbeat music. Certain scenes required really better accompanying soundtracks that could leave you feeling heavy.
They did bring back some classics, but the impact was quite diluted. It almost felt they really wanted to milk out the action.
Also the scene with Armin and Eren about Mikasa, pretty much turned into a meme, and really just abandoned the emotional weight Eren had. They did the scene with the 80% population trampled dialogue much better, and I wish the same tonality could have been utilized for that scene as well.
The best scene for me was people lifting the crying baby. Very masterfully done. And I guessed it summarized the episode well. Great in bits and pieces.
It's crazy. Aot has been my favourite anime since I started watching it, and its been a great story to watch unfold.
Definitely wasn’t the best of the series but it was still really really good.
@@kwenqs Maybe. Personally was the best for me.
I'm still trying to find constructive criticism of the ending, it was literally perfect for me and everyone's critics seem to be like 'Eren didn't stay an edge lord like I wanted him to and had a emotional breakdown'. Maybe the anime culture just isn't mature enough for a realistic story and ending like Attack on Titan
@@CPTZK11 I honestly felt the ending was quite decent as per the story and theme of the series. It didn't drop a magic solution to all the bloodshed and loss, and war is like that. The Naruto Anime touches upon this stuff briefly during the Pain arc, but Aot is much more comfortable with handling grey characters than Naruto.
I'll say that while it was not exactly a plot hole, the whole angle about Ymir being in love with King Fritz needed to be explored in detail in her backstory. Given that all we have seen of him was a selfish, cruel person, what exactly made her love him is really questionable unless he showed some flashes of light that probably she pined for. I get the abusive relationship stuff, and I think the weight of that could have been better understood by that.
@@CPTZK11 Did you uh... watch the video? He brought up thousands of points that had nothing to do with edge lord Eren...
I moment of silence for the anime onlys who we hoped a better future for.
I like how you say this but most anime-onlys will love the ending.
@trueweaver5604 I am doubtful, I do not read many manga. I really one read one's where the anime was just too good, and I couldn't help myself. I haven't seen a positive take on the end of AoT. It's a mess. I mean, good on them if they do, but I don't think so.
The ending wasn't happy at all, but as an anime only I think it was beautiful and didn't ruin my overall view on Attack on Titan as a masterpiece and one of the best shows I watched.
😢i honestly had hope that there would be Anime only ending that's why they took so much time but it really just ended like this?
@@jacobt1279It is by far one of the greatest shows just that....😢
Ah yes neverending feud between Ending Enjoyers and Ending Haters
Meanwhile me with popcorn
hell yeah brother
I liked it but I completely understand why people can hate it also, so give me some of those popcorn.
It was good for what Isayama was trying to convey. I just think those who dont like it dont understand the whole point of the story. To me it makes perfect sense @@markus10X
Eren didn't change anything in the past to possibly prevent the rumbling from happening because he actually WANTED to annihilate everything outside of the walls. He even says it himself. Protecting his friends and saving Paradis was always just a side effect of his true motivation, which was to completely stomp the outside world and turn it into the fantasy land Eren has been told about in Armin's books.
THIS THIS THIS. still pisses me off, it's like people think they understand Eren better than the writer who wrote the damn character. IDK if you ever read his AOT high school spinoff, but Eren in that would still fantasize about a zombie apocalypse that he could free his friends from. Fighting IS his character. He thought that stamping out everyone who hates Paradis is the best course of action.
@@Electronica27 Not to mention that Eren blatantly says it out loud that he wanted to destroy everything lol It doesn't get more obvious than that
@@wolfbrigade8042 its because people have a hard on for cool man rebel Eren. They want to believe he's cool AF, makes em just as bad as the Yeagerists tbh, and legit is like Isayama's way of being like "if you support him, you're just continuing the cycle of hate."
I think that you guys forget the part where Eren tells Armin that he intended to make them the hero's and give the world a chance for piece. Obviously this plan is extremely messed up, but he even states that he is just an idiot and couldn't think of a better way to save his friends. Yes, he does say that part of him wanted to see the world get flattened, but this is clearly not his intention, as he lets Mikasa kill him. If he wanted to there was nothing preventing him from taking away everyone's power to begin with.
I think this is another reason why we see what happens if Eren goes with Mikasa. Either way the world is destroyed by violence, so he was essentially stuck between letting his friends die, or going through with his plan to become the villain. Again, obviously what he does is not excusable, but Eren is not supposed to be some gynocidal maniac. He is intended to be a fool that gained power and didn't know the best way to use it. He is a slave to the ideal of freedom and is willing to do anything to protect his friends. This is just that taken to its farthest extreme.
@CombatUnit621 instead of calling out my argument lemme hear yours.
21:54
If Eren did change something in the past and made a new future. What if he accidentally creates a future where he doesn't get the Founding Titan's powers?
And if in the past, he never got the Founder's powers, wouldn't the other future timelines be new or something he wouldn't be able to change?
Idk, like, Eren did the things because it already happened. And not doing it means a lot of things would change?
And if Dina didn't eat Eren's mom, would Eren have the same drive to kill all the titans and stumble in the future that he did?
Genuine questions, btw. Just curious
Excellent question my guy but you are never gonna rationalize time travel shenanigans
@@austinmccon2759 I guess, yeah.
Yeah Eren would, I was rewatching episode 1 and throughout Eren kept going on how he despised the titans and how he hates people who accept their way of life as caged animals. His mum dying just pumped his anger up even more, which was not much considering he was already incredibly angry.
If he didn't have the founders powers Marley would have just invaded and killed them. He said he had done it all so many times over and the results were even worse eg. More genocide
Armin said it, hes the main reason why eren became the way he is, he made eren want freedom and eren was just an idiot with too much power
Eren explicitly said that he’s looked at many different scenarios of how all of this could have gone and this was the only way to keep his friends from dying and for them to live long happy lives. He also made the smiling Titan eat his mom to trigger the chain of events that would lead to this. I do get your point about the power of the founder and the pause of the rumbling. That part is a little fuzzy
but he also explicitly stated that he could not see what happens after he dies. So how does he know that his friends live long peaceful lives after he dies?
The rumbling paused coz zeke was killed, who was necessary for the activation of the rumbling
@@Dukehamyeah because zeke had the royal blood from his mother which is needed to control the titans
Bestie half of friends is dead
Eren starts everything which means all those people who died from the beginning is because of his faults
This bum could've easily use the 50 years plan since Historia and her children, grandchildren along with paradis people got nuked either way. It's worst because after he did the Rumbling, the outside world hate Paradis even more and in fear of retaliation children are probably trained for wars. It's crazy and it's shtyy . It's goes against what he stands up for up until the ending anyway. Children got dragged even more into the conflicts after facing literal genocide.
Ramzi,Halil, Sasha, Hange,Floch , Erwin,Mike, Colt, Porco, Ymir, Carla,Grisha,Zeke etc... everyone died because Eren is a "garden variety idiot" who apparently did it because he's an idiot and wanted to. Stop defending terrible writing
@@BunnySaintV1e con questo si riesce a capire che non hai capito una sega dei personaggi e della storia, però è difficile ammettere che non si è riusciti a collegare due informazioni che sono state date negli ultimi episodi e anche negli scorsi episodi che servivano per farti capire la storia?
This guy will give a 30 min rant but can't even say the characters names correctly which is hilarious.
Eren has no future or past, so it's incorrect to refer to him as "future Eren." He obtained god-like powers, existing outside of time, simultaneously experiencing all moments until he chose to cease to exist. This concept is similar to the movie "Interstellar," where everything happens simultaneously for him, creating a temporal loop.
If we consider Eren's powers, the Eldians would never be free as long as he existed. To grant them true freedom, he needed to cease to exist, including his beloved Mikasa and Armin.
It's important to note that the scene where Eren broke down does not represent the "real Eren" because there is only one Eren. This means that if he said something at any point, he always knew it. Again, since everything is happening at once, he has no beginning or end.
Some people argue that Eren was following the will of the Attack on Titan, but this is incorrect because he is the one who created them. He also gives them commands, including to himself.
With the powers bestowed upon him by Ymir, Eren existed at all points in history. With the powers of the Founding Titan, he controlled all Eldians at all times. This is why Eren can be considered a god in this context.
Everything that happened was because Eren willed it to happen.
The disappearance of the Titan power from the world was not solely caused by Eren's final action. It was Ymir's last action that led to this outcome. Eren played a role in enlightening Ymir through Mikasa's example, showing her that it was acceptable to let go of love, immortality, and her 2000 years of service. As a result, Ymir herself vanished, taking the Titan power with her. However, the power resurfaced when the Hallucinate creature found a new host approximately a hundred years later.
In conclusion, the finale of Attack on Titan attempted to replicate the ending of "Code Geass," but for some, it felt similar to the dissatisfaction with the ending of "Game of Thrones." While I understand the finale, it could have been executed better.
Ultimately, time is not linear, and Eren, as a god-like being, was the scriptwriter of this story until he chose to die.
Many express dissatisfaction with the ending because Eldia is still under threat in the future due to Eren's incomplete execution of the Rumbling. However, the author intended to convey the idea that regardless of circumstances, humanity will always engage in conflict. Even if Eren had fully carried out the Rumbling, resulting in only Eldians remaining, they would eventually find reasons to fight amongst themselves given enough time. The notion that Eldians fighting each other is preferable to the world fighting against Eldians is illogical. Ultimately, people will always be at odds with one another, regardless of shared or unshared bloodlines or ancestry. The essence of Attack on Titan is to demonstrate that humanity is inherently inclined to wage war upon itself, whether the conflict stems from racial differences or other factors. The world is a harsh place, and no amount of Rumbling could permanently eradicate conflicts.
My thing was always, if you can control and manipulate titan powers, why not just turn them all into Ackermanns? No more titans and a built-in defense system for every individual if the situation calls for it. Otherwise theyre no different from everyone else!
Because there's a limit to a power... it has never been established clearly how the Ackermanns have been created, it might require a holder to have royal blood because they are supposed to protect royalty in the first place.
@@OneWithinn But Royal blood is bullshit. It's all Eldian blood in the end, the only thing that makes it different is Ymir's obedience to the memory of King Fritz. with the full powers of the founding titan unlocked, Eren should've had no problem doing this.
Honest answer? Not edgy enough of a plot point. If Anime Comics and TV and Movies used common sense they would be a lot shorter and a lot less exciting.
@@Sixeyesascendant that's another plot hole, if every eldian is also a descendant of the OG king fritz, then every eldian has royal blood.
@@shezyam460 The best explanation that Isayama could come up with for all the bullshit in this ending is that everything is predestined and no one has any free will to change anything. If that is the case, why do we even care about these characters? They have no
characterization or free will of their own; all of their choices are made for them. The characters in AOT are all just poor players that strut and fret their hour upon the stage, and then are heard from no more. AOT is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
If the final chapter was like 200 pages long to explain all the plot holes, I would've been fine.
I see people speak of plot holes, but they can never say what those plot holes are.
@@dinosaurtimeandfunnyvideosExactly 💀
@@dinosaurtimeandfunnyvideosI have literally asked this thousands of time and they never explain it
Plot hole claiming cucks are attention seekers
Thought the same!! Like how the hell did eren send dina to his mother instead of to bertholdt there is no logical explanation to it how he could control the past back there?? If eren was able to do it why was no attack titan user before him able to??
Tbh i am okay with the ending, don't get me wrong the ending did have it's flaws, But i really think this ending was the only way to end the whole series, Of course im REALLY sad it had to end this way, But looking back at it, It really was a Sad, heartwarming ending witch had to be done, But i do understand why it gets alot of hate, But thats just my opinion
100% with you there 👊
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aot should have never turned into a love story. it should have went a different route
It was a "good" ending not a great one, still loved the overall series as whole though.
@@yepimfreshthat’s what I was thinking
The titan’s abilities seem to be different overtime due to mixing of spinal fluid and the intake of the predecessor abilities, this is backed up by experimentation with the Ackerman’s and with the consumption of the hardening serum by Eren. It’s also why Rod Reiss told Historia that he picked out a powerful titan for her and it’s also why Falco asked Annie if it was true the Female titan could mimic abilities of other titans after consuming a piece of them.
It also explains why all the Jaw titans except for Ymir had a hardened face plate (because they were injected with spinal fluid of the Warhammer titan) and it also explains why Falco also has a face plate (He was injected with Zeke’s spinal fluid which he had hardening as shown with Levi vs Zeke battle).
We also know every titan shifter takes on characteristics of themselves hence why Zeke is able to throw shit across the battlefield, why Eren is the attack titan and why Bertholdt and Armin were the Colossal titan (they didn’t want seek violence but yet given massive amounts of power).
It’s also why when Eren uses the founder titan he becomes a titan that looks like a puppet on strings. So it’s not an ass pull for Falco to turn into a bird like titan since his name very much derives for “Falcon”, especially with zeke’s spinal fluid he’s able to manifest powers akin the beast titan’s form.
Agreed, good thinking.
Since titan powers are transfered through spinal fluids, it's kinda like dna imo, and dna has mutations, things keep changing. Also, all of the shifters don't have completely different powers, all came of the same body after all
Lmao, imagine arguing that Falco being a bird makes sense because his name is close to "falcon"
Holy cope
Another thought, its the beast titan, not Ape titan. So why cant the beast titan not be any sort of beast, like a bird for example
What i hate about this ending is how eren killing his own mother essentially removes any limitations on his time powers
What made it cool to me at first is that he apparently was only able to control past attack titans, but now it is revealed that he can control ANY pure titan across time, which just introduces countless plot holes to the series which could have been easily avoided.
Wow my dude, tell me you didn't understand the story without telling me you didn't understand the story. It is made very clear at the end that Eren himself doesn't even know how the coordinate powers work. Only Ymir knows and she doesn't speak. And Eren only gained the power to control titans across timelines AFTER he got in the coordinate. It is never definitely stated that the future is fixed and you can't begin to comprehend what it feels like to be able to see causes and effects across multiple timelines. Maybe Carla just died in ever single one of them, think about it, if Eren had not started the rumbling, Marley would have nuked Paradis anyway
Eren was being influenced by Ymir. I speculate one or both of them knew that his head would grow into a new Tree. Starting the cycle over again BUT with the possibility for it to be different 🤞🏼
Thinking about him killing his mom, i like to think its one of those butterfly effects of well dina couldnt kill bertolt for plot sake but in consequence it went to carla. Like in decision games where even if you didn’t directly choose to kill a character, your past decision influenced the next which did kill the character.
Not pure titans, Diana, A royal blood
You… you do realize Eren was able to control pure titans… after gaining the ability to fully use the founding titans powers… right?
People don't understand that Isayama has the worst ending for AoT in OUR timeline, which is now canonically the worst timeline. In a world that is better than ours, there was a dope ending for AoT that cemented it as the greatest show ever.
Aot sucks it promotes terrorism and military aggression
Main characters are fighting in a war started by their own country(Eldia and Marley never signed a treaty, Eldia’s king just ran away to some island)
Main characters literally start a military coup on the government.
Main protagonist (who is portrayed heroically as doing things for his friends) attacks the entire world and is thanked by his former friend(who is portrayed heroically)for his aggression and genocide
never seen someone coping like this before
@@ゼロシン Armin and Eren anrent suposed to be portrayedd heroically, the point is both are going to reunite in hell, isayama just sucks writting the ending
This comment is hilarious😂😂😂😂
It's a beautiful ending. People will just barked anything they don't like. They thought ohhhh, everyone should be killed! nooo everyone should have an happy ending.
Let me remind you that Aot is a controversial story in the first place, ending is going to be hella divisive no matter what. The story is complex and there is no true way of ending this. There will be always those life unsatisfied.
According to me the only good point you raised to which I agree with is "what exactly is founding Titan?"
Every other point is up for interpretation. To me Eren doing the rumbling created peace and ended this eldian-Marlian issue. The scenes we see in the end credits is of way into the future may be 300-400 years ahead and as like Erwin said as long as two men are remaining they'll keep fighting so then fighting is not necessarily cuz of previous issue at that time.
And lastly the kid going under the tree trunk is also up for interpretation, to me he is a kid like Eren and Armin who is just curious and wants to explore the world.
In the defence of Eren killing 80% of world. He wants his friends to live in peace, making him see the future he had no other choice. He also mentions he can change the past but the outcome was always the same. So I am convinced this was the best outcome for his friends to live in peace. With that known i understand why they went with that, ofc all other points you mention are correct :)
do the author of aot not read their own work? it has been established from way earlier that eldians doing the hero / savior complex type of shit doesnt work. King Fritz for example, where did his effort end up? no where, it got covered up and another great titan war still happened anyways. The rest of the world just doesnt seem to trust eldians that much. Imagine jew vs nazi germany, but change nazi germany to the whole fucking world.
@@largecupenjoyer1459It's YOU who need to read Aot again
you completely misinprate him,if you wanna make analysis recontex all the word he said and not make asumpsion by one word,armin-so do you did this for us
Eren-no
Eren-i wanted to trampled everything
Eren-i wanted to see this sight
Eren-i just wanted to do it very badly
Tell me how are you gonna explain this dialogue?this is what i hate about casual wiewer they completely didnt understand simple dialogue like this
Armin-determination?you do this by you own will and you call it determination
Armin-why this is happening,is there really no other choice
Eren-i thought i do this for protecting you guys,but sahsa,hange,floch died because of me
Eren-why?why this is the the only "possibilities and outcome that happening",
Eren-its because iam 1diot that got too much power
Eren actually have choicee,he doesnt got slaved by fate but in fact got slaved by his own will and his own egoism
,his main motive thst makes him "choose" rumbling is to satisfacting his desire of false freedom,the sight of freedom he always dream of,sure there other motives like erased titan power,protecting paradise,save his friends,but deep down he wanted to satisfacting his egoism
Eren killing 80% of the world literally proves the remaining 20% are correct in their assessment of the subjects of Ymir. Why would they not attack Paradis after the shit Eren pulled off? 20% of the world is FAR greater than the population of a small island. And the eldians' only trump card, the titans, isnt even available to them anymore. Paradis probably got fucking obliterated after Eren's death. Eren screwed them
@@jahterminatedlmao5473 what? no way, he all did that for a small area of peace where where his friends got old. ofc later in time as we see with the endscene credits paradis gets in war again after its build up.
Lol I couldn't just imagine the outrage when one piece ends😅.. cuz I truly believe the more perfect a story is the harder it is to end it..
Yes iam so scared that it will flop
Nah the mangaka are on different tiers. One mangaka is trying to replicate oda’s greatness while oda sits on his toilet thinking of different silly ways he can draw luffy.
There’s level to this shit and some mangaka you can have complete trust in. Unfortunately, aots mangaka isn’t like that. He’s good, and he created a hot, attention-grabbing plot, but towards the end (really more so when he started introducing other countries) his hotness ran dry. No homo.
Imagine comparing AoT to mid piece
One piece story perfect ? 😂😂😂 lol get out of here, it's literally written for 13 year old, childish af to even compare it to aot
@@sairentokira4786imagine calling the most sold piece of fiction mid get out of the closet
Imagine asking someone why they killed your mother, and knowing after a lot of pages and letters that you were actually the one who killed your own mother using coordination to change the future, the best loop script, well done Isayama.
Imagine genshit weebs didnt capable to understand that if carla didnt die grisha will never give founding titan to eren,he literally begging zeke to stop him,oh maybe you want entire paradise got obliterate
Yall can yap all you want this isn't disney this is reality Aot is peak and the ending was perfect pacing issues is the only problem if you disbelief tell that to the 8.5 ratings for the final episode on imbd the anime is yhe highest rated anime ever so please quit yapping
Chapter 139 is what turned the majority of fans off.
Cry harder
yes but the extra pages made many people come back......to laugh at the stupid ending and attempt to make AoT 2 aka Beren the next generation lmao!!!
@@puladan9296I hear they're going to add even more!
Do you mind not being half the comment section???
23:25 eren was in the head of the founding titan not the neck.
The centipede died when Ymir was broken out of her heartbreak I’m guessing
The fact marley used their airships to attack eren instead of evacuating civilian people further from the rumbling speaks volumes about their thinking abilities. I wonder how this country even survived within 2000 years
Marley would be so doomed if they didn’t have most of the Titan powers
@@sanaralerx9488 they sent 6 of their 7 titans to some island and were significantly weakened. They should have been attacked right after Maria's fall
Eren is a powerful kid who never had a time to grow up.. and the future was already determined.
What
@@SpongeBob38
if he'd grown up and experienced the world a little like Zeke, he wouldn't have such disregard for all of humanity.
Maybe he'd choose to sacrifice paradis just like zeke.
I would agree but he literally changed events to make sure the rumbling happened which means he potentially could’ve stopped the rumbling along with 80% of the population dying.
@@christophergillis7019but because of the rumbling his friends lived the peaceful life
It id inevitable to eradicate concept of war and racism from this world
But eren made them equal so it would give them time to be happy and that's what they did
So he did achieved something
@@christophergillis7019 no he couldn’t when he was talking with Armin and he showed him what the rumbling would look like when it’s done and Armin did ask why don’t you stop and eren he tried every theory he could think of to stop the rumbling but basically get the same result of peace and it never worked it was determined and he didn’t determine it.
But didnt he say in the last episode when he was talking to Armin, he tried many different times to change how things would end up, and it still ended up the same... the rumbling still happened everything he tried to change the way things played out...
Yup
Can you give like one example of how he tried to do that. All this time he was slaved by ymir's will to be free and that kills the character of eren, pretty simple
@tipu._.9245 He saved Ramzi when he was getting beat up in the alley even though he tried to walk away and ignore it.
@mckloggins which doesn't make sense. If you know the future, it should be easy to change it. Just not save ramzi. Run away with mikasa. Doesn't seem very hard to do.
@@jyotirani8187 Even he knew the future but eren always is eren, he still help the boy anyways as the future he saw, no matter what he saw in the future. Future eren and present eren still the same
"I am making this video before the final episode comes out but releasing it after it does, because I think the anime fans would hate the ending, since nothing at all would be changed 100%"
Yeah that... that wasnt a good idea.
It’s funny cause a lot of anime onlys and even manga readers ended up liking this ending, with the minor changes and whatnot
To me the show became insubstantial after season 4, which is a shame, since the basement reveal was fucking genius. But the characters and the feeling that this was a human struggle ended after the introduction of the attack titans power; basically just a huge deus ex machina. There’s no better way to ruin an otherwise complex story than abuse themes just to make it seem even more complex. I felt like iyasama lost sight of his story after the reveal, it went beyond him into something he could not altogether control anymore; thankfully he’s a fantastic writer so he managed to keep things tidy for a while, but then all the themes went to hell and it felt like he was just trying to tie lose ends. I personally didn’t understand the need for the random omnipotent powers of the attack titan and in turn what they did to Eren; I think it was not necessary in order to raise the stakes.
I agree wholeheartedly. The basement scene is the best part of the story and the beginning of the decline
I’ve never seen a story punch so hard just to fizzle out in the second half
@@Zonedoutallthetime bullshit , literally hardly anything to complain about besides personal preference on where the story went after that. After season 4 ? Was there a season 5 I just missed. The basement reveal changed the presumed themes of aot and when season 4 actually came,Guys just couldn't rehash there mindset on the themes. Fighting the titans to fighting humanity. If the ending was better you would not be even saying this.
you completely misinprate him,if you wanna make analysis recontex all the word he said and not make asumpsion by one word,armin-so do you did this for us
Eren-no
Eren-i wanted to trampled everything
Eren-i wanted to see this sight
Eren-i just wanted to do it very badly
Tell me how are you gonna explain this dialogue?this is what i hate about casual wiewer they completely didnt understand simple dialogue like this
Armin-determination?you do this by you own will and you call it determination
Armin-why this is happening,is there really no other choice
Eren-i thought i do this for protecting you guys,but sahsa,hange,floch died because of me
Eren-why?why this is the the only "possibilities and outcome that happening",
Eren-its because iam 1diot that got too much power
Eren actually have choicee,he doesnt got slaved by fate but in fact got slaved by his own will and his own egoism
,his main motive thst makes him "choose" rumbling is to satisfacting his desire of false freedom,the sight of freedom he always dream of,sure there other motives like erased titan power,protecting paradise,save his friends,but deep down he wanted to satisfacting his egoism
@@Zonedoutallthetimeme if i lack literacy lol, s4 objectively best aot season
Isayama ruined his own work ! So many dumbbbb writings and plot holes ! It’s disgusting, not the aot I started 10 years ago , and before y’all start yapping , here’s few ex , how tf did eren manipulate mikasa’s memory when it was said founder cannot control them whatsoever! & no I’m not talking about the Cabin , give u one better , when she said “armin you remember now too don’t u” when eren died. Like bruhh , 2. Why tf would eren kruger want his own people to die , he did all that, he would not help other race kill his own people , also ymir loves historia, so why would Ymir help , that means putting her and Island in danger
even if we hate the ending no one can complain about how well the topics and lessons of this show was handled. and done correctly.
who the fuck cares
@@jacobhealy8376thank you
Morals ✅
But there were so many plot holes
You absolutely nailed it. Incredible shame it turned out the way it did. I also felt the action scenes lacked tension and the fact we had no proper payoff for the characters we know and love is really disappointing.
No proper pay off how exactly?
@@ErenDenizMert It was such a huge journey for them over 4 seasons. Spending a handful of minutes before the credits roll to gloss over everything is extremely rushed. I note FMA: Brotherhood, which dedicates a number of episodes to completing a proper ending well. They also should have returned as heroes, they should have finally found peace, or impacted the world for the better. Instead everything they did was pointless and led to a worse outcome than in episode 1.They are barely given screen time and their integration back home is glossed over. It's poor writing ultimately.
@@funkymonk8240 They did return as heroes tho and paradies was prospering for hundreds of years. Saying its in a worse state than it was in ep 1 or bad writing is kinda wrong. I suggest you watch this guys follow up video about aots ending
@@ErenDenizMert I saw it differently. Paradis was now essentially a fascist state, with even sweet pacifist Historia became a military expansionist. The credits documents endless wars and even less peace then before Marley was discovered by the Scouts. The message of find peace is replaced with 'kill to survive' - The destabilizing titan powers that underpin the entire story and conflict remained and reignited too.
There was no heroic return for Armin and co. What scenes show as such? They discuss only their fear of returning and concern for the future. The whole thing is glossed over quickly in my eyes. They dont even have room to be heroes, given the context of everything.
@@funkymonk8240gO watch anime ending
*The way they ditched the characters during the time skips is just outrageous!*
*Not closing the circle for the characters and not few panels with Mikasa its messed up but novels could've fixed it!*
I dropped it and now I see why. I lost interest after season 4 pt2. It just wasn't the same. It felt rushed at times and inconsistent in season 4 and honestly I can't be bothered to see the ending which was sadly my favourite show ever at one point
Aot sucks it promotes terrorism and military aggression
Main characters are fighting in a war started by their own country(Eldia and Marley never signed a treaty, Eldia’s king just ran away to some island)
Main characters literally start a military coup on the government
Main protagonist (who is portrayed heroically as doing things for his friends) attacks the entire world and is thanked by his former friend(who is portrayed heroically)for his aggression and genocide
@@ゼロシンkeep crying aot I'd the best series even till the end it was perfect
@@ゼロシンbro is desperate.
@@erenyeager6210 it got game of thrones treatment it legacy gone so I don't know what drugs you are taking but keep taking them you going to need them
Even though this ending is not ideal. It’s miles better then the generic shonen cop out you suggested. I’m so glad Eren didn’t revert to just the Attack Titan and help his friends in the end. That would’ve been so lame.
yep, that'd be generic shit
I used to think Naruto's ending was bad. Well, not as bad as this atrocity
i mean we needed a horroific ending i agree Eren death was needed, but it wasnt executed weel for instance
100% rumbling was needed to solidify that weve achieved the goal of peace on a unrealistic sense.
Some of the alliance members should have died namely marley people.
Levi should have killed Eren.
Jean needed to DIE
why not just let eren finished the job? now even though he "let his friends live" the live a life where they are scared for a counter attack and the multiple unanswered plot points and all we can say is it is what it is.
I would rather fairytail power of friendship ending, then aot dogshit ending.
I was one of the dudes that said that attack on titan began as an amazing story. And ended like HOT GARBAGE
Been a while since I enjoyed one of your videos, good one dawg
You know the ending is going to be shit when the bloody Mangaka the one who wrote the damn story has to apologize to their fans
he apologized to people who didnt like the ending he never said he didnt like it himself
it wasnt bad peopole just dont like that erin had to die i loved the ending
@@taygettem580 i liked it too
Japan as a culture is like that. You apologize even when you don't have to. He created a story. His story. He owed no one anything. People didnt like it. And he apologized for disappointing them. But that doesnt mean he didnt believe in what he wrote.
@@xoreign thats the problem, because it is not HIS story. HIS story was different. he had planned a "mist" ending, but his cuck editors talked him out of it to this shitty ending. tells you a lot about him. hes just a sellout. if he would have just stuck with his own vision we wouldnt be in this mess.
The ending of the Manga is a real black pill moment for humanity. I was hoping the Anime would use the coordinate to spin an alternate ending.
it still will
@@FateBreaker7428 IDK bout that
@@FateBreaker7428 It did not, lay off the copium.
I liked the anime ending. I think Nick’s problem with it is just him wanting it to have a straightforward good vs evil ending and storyline. A big point was that the two sides were NEVER going to coexist in peace. That’s why everything restarts at the end, that’s why the sides keep fighting for centuries at the end. Everything was “pointless” But it’s more of a commentary on the conflict of man. It’s extremely telling that the author named it The Battle Between Heaven and Earth - not the battle between heaven and hell
People just don't understand the ending.
Not only that but some wanted a happy ending too
@@randomguy1928correct.
yh i completely disagreed with him on that but he was right in a lot of what he said in this video imo. A lot of it wasnt logical and didnt feel like the big aot moments of old where it was just perfectly crafted. and i watched the anime and just didnt like how it looked that much i think mappa didnt do the best job on it imo, like when zeke said the world is beautiful but it looked awful… i know wit wouldve made it look amazing.
Ending credits and post credits scene is one of my favorite aspects of the finale (and I disliked this pages initially, when they came out in the manga). The fact that wars will start again is not depressing, it's just reality of life that sooner or later will happen to us as well. This is whole point of Armin and Zeke speech. If they left things ambiguously open ended, without showing the future fans would be even more furious saying that Paradise gonna get bombed few months later. If they decided to just show Paradise prosperous and peaceful in the future - message of aot would be even more ridiculous like "Eren stopped all wars forever"
@@randomguy1928 Wrong.
Logistically stuff aside, I feel like most people who hate the ending of AoT's ending conceptually/thematically missed the point of tons of important scenes throughout considering a primary sub-theme of AoT is that conflict is inherent to human nature and will persist as long as there's life.
When Pixis and Eren discuss the nature of conflict and humans on the wall prior to the boulder operation(something which is reiterated multiple times throughout the story before and after in different ways and contexts), they raise the idea that even if all the external threats were wiped out, the remaining people inside the walls would turn on each other and fight internally eventually anyways. Not only does this literally happen later on after they clean out all the titans on the island, it is a microcosm of what happens with the ending when we see that war comes for the Paradis island in the distant future as well. The most on the nose way this is told early on is with the example of the insects and how nature and life is predicated on consumption through contest.
Eren's desire for freedom has nothing to do with the presence of Titans, Marley or Eldian oppression because the fundamental truth is that even if Marley or Eldian oppression was ended through some temporary means by Eren, the return of violent conflict was inevitable as long as people remained and therefore Eren's desire for "absolute freedom" was not only predicated on absolute eradication, but impossible without it. This is precisely why Eren's goal-post keeps shifting, from thugs inside the walls, to titans, to human armies and society outside itself.
The scene with Eren killing Mikasa's kidnappers is important because it shows that Eren has an inclination from early childhood to kill anyone and everyone who infringes on what he sees as an inherent right. And yet, we're also told over and over again that this will keep happening as long as people exist.
The point of Eren and his path through the narrative is to make a case-study of a boy with a shallow and childish view of freedom that isn't compatible with the nature of the world or an adult appreciation of society.
The cognitive dissonance between Eren's view of freedom(that all are born free and that infringing on said freedom is a sin deserving of death) juxtaposed against a deterministic world in which people will always infringe on each other's freedom means that Eren's idea of true freedom can never materialize since there will always be a new enemy for him to fight as long as life continues to exist.
I mean, this is literally echoed in plain words by Zeke in the paths with Armin - with Armin's view being that the small pleasures in life makes everything worth it anyways.
I do think that statements by defenders along the lines of "Eren did the rumbling because he wanted to" are pretty asinine though, because the story clearly undercuts the idea that "wanting something" even makes sense in terms of the narrative. Eren does the rumbling because it's not in his nature to do otherwise given his absurd and impossible view of freedom, but the fact of the matter is that it's also pretty clear emotionally he doesn't actually want to(hence all the crying and shifts in mood throughout) and that it tortures him emotionally knowing he has to. Moreover, there's subtext to indicate perhaps Eren's compulsive desire for unrealistic freedom was planted in him by Ymir herself, an echo of her own tortured existence and desire to be free, since we know his propensity began prior to meeting Armin and being shown the book, and that Eren recieved precognitive dreams(in the very first episode) before even acquiring the attack titan.
In this sense, I think pretty much everyone is wrong in the debate about the whether the ending was thematically appropriate. It's true that Eren never changed and the whole "Isayama retconned Eren" is as dumb as it is a demonstration of poor media literacy. However, it's also wrong to characterize Eren as a psychopath or evil etc, and say that he "wanted to wipe everyone out".
The simple and less contrived answer is that Eren is fundamentally just a stupid kid(even in his own words) obsessed with an ideal he cannot realize and he commited to the rumbling because of the underlying conceit of said belief in conjunction with an inability to think of any other means to address the truth and live with it. He wanted his impossible freedom, and he wanted the people he cared about to live long happy lives, and so he spazzed out and did the thing that realized both to the best of his limited brain and hated himself for it in the process.
Personally, I think this type of over-idealistic emotionally conflicted character is pretty realistic given Eren's age and how many people are like this on a smaller scale in the real world - whether it be people juggling stark religious values against secular realities and relationships, or people in abusive relationship that both love and dread their partner at the same time etc.
It seems pretty clear to me that Isayama holds to a Nihilist/anti-realist view morality and the world, and so the idea that the story was written initially with the idea of Eren as being a character pursuing a moral view of freedom in a moral way, or that the story could end with true peace was absurd from the very get-go. That was never where the story was headed, and so the expectation that Eren should have developed into a person with a more sophisticated view of the world, "put away childish things" and made a more mature decision about how to leverage his power seems fundamentally out of touch with the story Isayama set out to write.
As for Ymir flip-flopping is that I don't think she is. I think what Ymir truly wants is to be killed and set free.
Very well said
Love how a random homie in the comments broke down the story better than every TH-cam content creator. Dope!
Indeed. You could argue that Eren is a deconstruction of a typical shounen protagonist. Give a young idealistic, angry traumatised young person a predestined yearning to be absolutely free and this unimaginable power, and IRL if they're not allowed to grow and mature, they would probably turn into a genocidal monster.
Basically, I feel Eren is what you might get if you take the worst of our world and forced it unto say...Luffy.
@@johncrichton8876 fr idk what some of the shit this youtuber was on about, the ending was objectively over all good and conveyed a message that is true. Bro literally complained about it conveying a message that is undeniably true about human nature.
it was ok but the kiss was vile af. felt like some fan fiction, i am not against the kiss but they coulda done it in the cabin paths scene which actually felt romantic. not with his lifeless decapitated head 💀
Don’t forget Paradis got carpet bombed
I thought the anime handled the ending a lot better than the manga. Especially the scene in the paths between Eren and Armin
See, this is another video which serves as a great example of how most of the Aot Ending critiques goes:
The few good and valid points being raised for discussion get lost in the sea of simple misunderstandings, unnecessary disrespect and plain ignorance and bad logic.
And so, the few good points naver get seriously discussed and answered. Because no one will bother to respond to 5 minutes of good points having to filter 25 minutes of... well, trash.
Ah yes, instead of explaining the points in this video, pointing out how they're just misunderstandings is the way to go.
Bro, kudos for you to speak your mind, they will hate you for this. I saw a lot of TH-camrs wouldn’t dare to criticise it. You got it man!
you completely misinprate him,if you wanna make analysis recontex all the word he said and not make asumpsion by one word,armin-so do you did this for us
Eren-no
Eren-i wanted to trampled everything
Eren-i wanted to see this sight
Eren-i just wanted to do it very badly
Tell me how are you gonna explain this dialogue?this is what i hate about casual wiewer they completely didnt understand simple dialogue like this
Armin-determination?you do this by you own will and you call it determination
Armin-why this is happening,is there really no other choice
Eren-i thought i do this for protecting you guys,but sahsa,hange,floch died because of me
Eren-why?why this is the the only "possibilities and outcome that happening",
Eren-its because iam 1diot that got too much power
Eren actually have choicee,he doesnt got slaved by fate but in fact got slaved by his own will and his own egoism
,his main motive thst makes him "choose" rumbling is to satisfacting his desire of false freedom,the sight of freedom he always dream of,sure there other motives like erased titan power,protecting paradise,save his friends,but deep down he wanted to satisfacting his egoism
If i were a mangaka of a popular series and I saw that my ending didn’t do all that great
I’d honestly let the anime change the ending
This would legitimately be the best use of an anime only ending
And explain why things took so damn long. 😂
most people loved the ending
@@trueweaver5604 not most people
@@Jerome7-v5u Most people liked it, most people don't. We get it
@@trueweaver5604 it’s a decent ending, but it does fall flat in some aspects just like the video said.
It’s not an unpopular opinion to like the ending.
But if it wasn’t so disorienting to the main audience, shaft certain characters, and completely fumble the main message of the series, it would’ve been far better
Kinda like Naruto’s ending and how awkward it was
I just appreciated the story for what it was. I kinda growed up watching AOT and I felt a kind of satisfaction when it came to an end, even if wasn't a proper one or one that other's didn't like.
By far the WORST ending of any anime EVER!!! after all they went through it changed absolutely nothing. The closing credits literally show them building up a city just for it too be destroyed by war all over again. What. A. Waste. Of. TIME.
It's a beautiful ending. People will just barked anything they don't like. They thought ohhhh, everyone should be killed! nooo everyone should have an happy ending.
Let me remind you that Aot is a controversial story in the first place, ending is going to be hella divisive no matter what. The story is complex and there is no true way of ending this. There will be always those life unsatisfied.
Notice how you can't defend the ending without giving any actual reasons as to why it's good, only excuses for why people don't like it. It's bad, pretty objectively so. You're free to like it, just know you're enjoying bad writing.
@@aaronyaygerthere's not a single reason this ending is objectively bad. only objective flaw is the sort of weird pacing
@@evanmiller4502 There are multiple plot holes. Most characters act outside of their previous characterization, including and especially Eren. I'm willing to go through this in a massive comment if you want, but I'm working right now and this is the most I can do. Let me know if you want me to.
@@aaronyayger None of the characters acted outside of their characterization. ESPECIALLY eren. he was spot on with his characterization. and there are VERY few plot holes, all minor ones
@@evanmiller4502 You're just delusional. Eren is not the same person in 139 as he is in the rest of the series.
I love the ending. Very emotional. This reminds me of Code Geas. Also Eren’s plan was flawed and not full proof. The story owns this and is discussed between Eren and Armin. In the end Eren literally says this all happened because he’s an idiot.
He also stated to have looked at other paths and that this was the only way (Dune vibes here).
Everyone knew conflict wouldn’t end even if he destroyed the world conflict it would just be reduced to Paradis island. Eren just evened the playing field preventing the world from destroying Paradis. Even though it wasn’t everlasting, Paradis Island did know peace for 100s if not a few thousand years.
you completely misinprate him,if you wanna make analysis recontex all the word he said and not make asumpsion by one word,armin-so do you did this for us
Eren-no
Eren-i wanted to trampled everything
Eren-i wanted to see this sight
Eren-i just wanted to do it very badly
Tell me how are you gonna explain this dialogue?this is what i hate about casual wiewer they completely didnt understand simple dialogue like this
Armin-determination?you do this by you own will and you call it determination
Armin-why this is happening,is there really no other choice
Eren-i thought i do this for protecting you guys,but sahsa,hange,floch died because of me
Eren-why?why this is the the only "possibilities and outcome that happening",
Eren-its because iam 1diot that got too much power
Eren actually have choicee,he doesnt got slaved by fate but in fact got slaved by his own will and his own egoism
,his main motive thst makes him "choose" rumbling is to satisfacting his desire of false freedom,the sight of freedom he always dream of,sure there other motives like erased titan power,protecting paradise,save his friends,but deep down he wanted to satisfacting his egoism
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THANK YOU, YOU SAID EVERYTHING
It is sad when popular TH-camrs speak out on a topic in which they understand little and therefore misinform their significant audience. There are a huge number of errors in this video and the author is clearly not too well versed in AoT. Most of the "problems and plot holes" listed by the author are not such and have an explanation.
It's a pity I watched this video too late and now it makes no sense to write a comment with an answer to all the author's claims, since no one will notice it anymore.
I think it’s if you look at world glass half full of glass half empty. I only watched the anime and it looks they fleshed out some of these plot points. A lot still open to interpretation but it seems that the point was humanity is stuck in a perpetual cycle of hate. Humanity is stuck in a time loop. Even when all the power is there is all there to end it the problem will arise again sometime in the future. A depressing tragedy really. The power of the titan is just a accumulation of the malice in humanity.
This is exactly what it should be a bitter ending one where most of our heroes survive but don't change anything just like real life. Perfect story, perfect characters, 10/10 for me no one can change my mind.
That's right. The ending is just like Mikasa described the world as "this world is cruel, but very beautiful as well."
Humanity cannot avoid conflict forever, civilizations will raise and fall over and over again; however, this doesn't mean humanity should give up on themselves or stop looking for avoiding conflict. Doing this is all with it, for those little moments that give joy to life, and that make the world beautiful.
Open to interpretation is fancy way to say "not explained".
@@agrimpuriya2585 well, yeah, but that doesn't mean it is a bad thing
Yes, there'll always be conflict.
But genociding the world because of it just cause you can isn't really a great problem solver.
I really don't get how the remaining Paradis people didn't just get outright executed by the rest of the earths population.
Maybe I’m just a smooth brain, but all I wanted was Eren to successfully protect his friends. He did. I was satisfied.
Yup
Its because you didn't read the manga in one go like we did. You had multiple breaks between the anime episodes, for example one part releasing 6 months to a year later, so you forgot what happened, otherwise you would have seen all the inconsistencies and retcons like us
He didn't. He got Sasha killed, killed Hange, under his yaegerists many Paradisians died including Shadith and Pixis (whom Eren had a quite good realtionship from the start). Same with the yaegerists who got radicalized because of his actions, like Floch, Daz and Samuel (all his comrades in the scouts). He almost got Levi killed and scarred for life. In the final Battle he seemingly tried to kill the Alliance, shooting Onyankopons Plane down, going after them with multiple Titanshifters. Many last seccond saves and thick plotarmor, the fact none died is thanks to bad writing not Erens restraint.
He got Jean and Connie turned into titans, not knowing they could be turned back (because remember he didn't understand Ymir, only Mikasa did, which caused the end to the titan powers).
Oh and he also killed his mom. But did he protect them through these actions? No.
It's Armins talk no jutsu that makes the tenuous peace possible. Now his remaining friends are condemned to live in a hyper militarized, fascist society that worshippes Eren as their Messiah, surely that will go well for them.
As well as live with the lasting psychological trauma of seeing untold millions crushed like ants in their name. How will this affect people like Jean, who joined the scouts because he believed he couldn't bear the knowledge that innodents were dying while he made a cozy existence in Stohess?
Not that it matters, all their descendants get wiped out anyway in the credits.
Fuck.
@@shapeless6755 thanks for your detailed response bro. Kudos ❤️
@@abrarahmad6370 i rewatched the entire show with my gf after final chapters part 1 aired in March. It was pretty fresh in my mind, i didn’t notice anything wrong with the ending. There was DEF a lot of “plot no jutsu” but nothing bothered me that much. Again, maybe I’m smooth brain.
always thought the moral of the story is quite simple "War war never changes"
Exactly. It doesn’t matter if Titans are involved or not. There will always be conflict. Erwin even says “The fight between man will never end. Not until our numbers fall to 1 or less”
Eren's goal was never to end wars. His goal was the end the cycle of hatred against Eldians.
@@300Xeon Then he failed spectacularly as after the rumbling everyone started hating Eldians even more
Due to circumstances his goal changed to making sure his friends were seen as heroes who live long and peaceful lives
@@xcrowx8140EXACTLY. which is why we're saying the ending is shite
What was the point of Eren fighting back and calling all the ancient titans for battle?
His plan was to get blown up, transform into a collosal and then get decapitated by mikasa, that would have happened anyways without having to fight and risk their life
Eren tried to be like lelouch speed running
Ending was TERRIBLE. Don’t even get me started with the half-assed explanation of Ymir’s pure love over a man than Clapped her beloved family members, IN FRONT OF HER. StalkHolm syndrome is a stretch for me here. In abusive relationships, at least we see that there was grooming and good at one point. It was just all bad with her and the king…..
I don't think Ymir was flip floping. I was pretty clear to me that she wanted to die. That's why she didn't kill Armin. That's why when the moment was right, she helped them destroy the power of the titans, finally freeing her from the paths, allowing her to die at last.
If she wanted to die she wouldve just died. Nothing stopped her. She kept on suffering and contributing to the suffering and death of countless people because ... plot. But then she decided to just stop it when she saw Mikasa overcome her love/conditioning because... plot. It's awful, horrible writing.
@@kappa6544 She stayed a slave even after she "died" but Eren and Mikasa showed her that it must not be that way and she died with Eren because the founding titan was finally killed. If the founding Titan is no more all the titans are gone as they originate from him. Mikasa broke her curse metaphorically and literally physically that's why it's so well written.
@@matijajunger4800 First of all she wasnt killed physically. Thats not possible. If you kill the founding titan without anyone eating it the power just gets transfered to a random eldian baby, like with any other sentient titan.
The point the show tried to make is that she stayed alive because muh slave mentality and then she saw mikasa get over her slave mentality and she decided that she doesnt have to be a slave. After 2000 years. Thats all it took. Its stupid at best.
@@kappa6544 Yes but why would this applie to the founding Titan? It's the origin of the Titans and the one that is connected to the hallucigenia and without the rout connection the Titan powers disappear. That's just standard for stuff like that.
And yes Ymir was completely traumatized and was a slave and Mikasa overcoming her enslavement to love truly showed her that she does have a choice after all.
@@matijajunger4800how are mikasa's and ymir's situation the same? 🤡 The slave mentality gimmick is shit 🤡
This is why time manipulation and time traveling is one of the worst narrative tools in existence. On top of making ur job, as the writer, 50x harder to keep ur story cohesive it by nature invites everyone to deconstruct your work. People saying oh it’s not cool to badger a creative for their creative decisions doesn’t stand here in my opinion bc by design, revisiting everything you established- u ask everyone to do that. Well you better be damn sure ur on point and don’t get lazy or pressed for deadlines bc it’ll prbly self-destruct.
If the anime came out over the span of 5yrs instead of a whole decade, the emotional weight of “it’s all coming to an end” doesn’t help it out as much I wager.
The anime was actually slightly different that last convo between armin and Eren the slight shift in where things were said and reactions made a massive impact
As for the very ending. Zeke said life always keeps changing form. The boy that found the tree (and thus centipede) may not even transform into titan but have any other power up / transformation. So titans are no more, one of the main goals of Eren is still completed.
some of these plotholes aside which once you've pointed out, i totally understand and agree, i wanted to mention my thoughts on the rumbling and why i think eren chose that path. in my opinion, i think eren is a very good example of someone who is a slave to freedom and thus a slave to hatred. from the start to the end he was never truly free, because the decisions he made were decisions he felt compelled to make. at first it was simple, he just needed to be free from he walls. then he fought the titans to be free from them. after that he realised when he touched historia's hand that his people cannot truly be free especially, due to the hatred from the outside world, which caused him to do the rumbling. arguably if he never brainwashed his dad to kill the royal family and attain the founding titan or if he never willed the titan to eat his mother, this would never have happened. but it appears that eventually the outside world was bound to invade paradis and kill everyone off. so in order to prevent this and to protect his people, the rumbling was the only way he felt was right.
i also quite liked the fact that his motivations behind his actions were for the sake of his friends. rather than justifying his actions as heroic, i arguably say that this exactly presents him as a perfect antagonist somewhat. he is a perfect example of a villain who feels compelled to commit evil based on his own messed up beliefs. reality is people do the extremes for what they think is right and i enjoyed this multi-faceted eren. but despite him saying that, i think a deep part of him truly wanted to destroy the world that he believed to be evil. eren to me is like 'oh it'd be nice if my friends can be painted as heroes and i can finally leave this hell. but you know what if that doesnt work i wouldnt mind world destruction too'. in a sense, being unable to truly taste what freedom is to him simultaneously manifested hatred in him towards those that continue to force him to be a slave - aka the people outside of Paradis and the world of evil itself. despite feeling guilty about this, i think a deep part of him believes in a very twisted way that mass genocide is a way to save his people but also everyone else from a world of suffering. at the end of the day, eren himself is an extremely complex character that was not written for people to love, but written to show the kind of tragedies and horrors that ongoing hatred can create and manifest as a person.
Great analysis
Bro Eren didn’t choose that future, he had to fulfill it
I'd disagree and say eren did what he did cuz he wanted to do it, not to save his friends primarily
@@FarhanAli-qo9weits both
No this is is perfect anybody in eren shoes would have chose the same choice but because people can judge from the outside they “make up a better way “ there was no better way and that’s why after they wanted to kill the eldians and that’s why he had to reduce the world to 20% to make it even possible for the eldians to be able to defend themself if making peace didn’t work ( don’t forget eren could see the future)
It's become apparent over time that those who like the ending are just deluded fanboys. Stupid too, as they don't even seem to understand that the ending was one of the happiest, most MLP Friendship is Magic endings in all of shonen.
True. Hahaha. What pissed me off was that the author kept adding these complex stories; chapters by chapters. He added seemingly cryptic or foreshadow panels but in the end he chose his explanation as, "it just happens".
It all comes down to "Ymir works in mysterious ways". Honestly the finale would make a lot more sense if she was just drunk during the whole thing. "Fuck it, bring back the titan shifters, but only the plot relevant ones!"
That happens when you've poor reading comprehension and watch the show while turning off your brain
The whole ending with the boy finding the tree is great, in my opinion. History always repeats itself and nothing actually matters. There’s no happy endings. This is exactly what Isayama wanted to show
You are 12 and think this is deep
@@Laurentusyou are 10 and think being a dickhead makes u the cool guy
Even if what ur saying is true, even then it would be an extremely weak ending for a show that was so interconnected with its storyline, its shifters, its history to end because magical girl ends it all for only 80% of humanity. Jesus, it sucked.
@CODA96 You clearly just hate Mikasa as a character and wanted a very specific ending in your own headcanon, which you didn't get.
@@d.barrett578 I dont care for Mikasa. You realize they suddenly made love a plot point for this ending, even tho it was barely ever a thing? Eren just trambling 80% and not 100% as he suggested in his different ending would be a good ending. Him taking a gamble by ''acting'' which he did even in his inner monologue so stockholme girl conviniently saves everyone? Jesus wake up, its a bad ending and not some mikasa hater train youre weirdly driving there lil bro.
I think you should give Isayama some credit and try to understand why he would write the ending like that, rather than trying to assess how the ending matches what you think the ending should be.
Because of this, you kinda missed the point of the ending and that's why your proposed alternative endings are so pedestrian. What you point out as plotholes are not holes at all (they cut off Eren's titan head, not Eren's actual head, that why he's able to transform again, just like any other titan shifter /// the Eldians turn into pure titans and then back into humans so both we the audience and the characters can see that the titan powers are gone -whether you like this delivery or not it does serve a purpose /// I could go on).
Give the man some credit, this ending might not be satisfying in the moment (it wasn't for me) because there are many layers to it, and it takes time to digest, but you have to digest what's there, not what you think it should have been.
Underrated comment, completely agree
i think the ending is pretty good but the only thing i think is bad about it is that everytime you rewatch it you learn more you cant just get everything on first watch
@@hassentrh2118 that’s the beauty of it 🤌 details and more information that you didn’t know first hand now that you know what happens in the end is what the underlying message is. Eren since a kid was doomed to be the ultimate evil, not just that he knew the future but that he’s incapable of escaping that despite what he does. Each time we’d watch we’d just find more information on how he always knew and maybe even each time he’s tried to avoid that future. The beauty is finding more to explore and deepen the thought behind each panel
Bro this is a Game of Thrones situation. In six months no one will be talking about AoT except to recall that the ending ruined the entire show and killed all the hype from the last ten years.
17:42 you forgot that even that scene follows with a major plot hole and that is mikasa, an ackerman somehow was affected by the founding titans memory manipulation ability.
Totally agree. If Eren wants to destroy 100% of the world, let him stay Villain, not turn him into Lelounch.
If Eren wants to destroy 80% of the world, what's the point of killing him? Eren could walk away after achieving his goal.
This is a B- ending to what could be a A+ series.
what do you mean? he said it himself. he was a slave to freedom. the attack titan warped his mind.
He wanted to die by his friends hands so they people left would see them as the heroes and not hate them
@@IGN1TED I will agree with you if they left Eren's body in Marley as a proof of his death. If not, that make no sense to justify the necessity of his death.
@@DirectlyFromMusic-DFM Rewatch season 1 for Eren's Tatakae scene, during his fight against Arnie. By making Eren sprout the "slave to freedom" sentence in the last episode, Isayama is making a beginner writer mistake of creating inconsistencies of his MC's character.
@@TonyBeanify his fight against arnie ? 😂😂 nah but i see what your saying but season 1 to season 4 allot can change. Its not like Eren is a stone. He is human / titan. Like he said himself. His head is a total mess. Bro was prob in a constant shroom trip seing things in his mind 😂😂