Linux on Old Laptops: The Lenovo Thinkpad T440p
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- I recently got my hands on a Thinkpad T440p for a really good price. Released in 2013, is this a good laptop to run Linux on in 2021? Check out my review.
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I love my t440p! Just replaced the screen with a £75 1080 IPS matt one. Took 10mins to do. Now looks fantastic! The screen I got is AUO B140HAN01.3 LED 14.0" Screen FHD- IPS
The cool thing about this laptop is you can easily upgrade the CPU, the ram, the SSD, and the display. You can also add additional drives either through the M.2 socket and/or the DVD drive slot, with the possibility of 3 total drives. Socketed CPU's pretty much disappeared on main stream laptops after this. I have a T530 with a quad core CPU, a IPS 1080P display, and it holds it's own quite well. The T440P was notorious for it's track-pad, Lenovo went back to the more traditional one with the T450 series, and some geeks have done a swap, but it requires some software hacks as well. Lenovo went to the low voltage chips after the 440P, it took until the T480 to get a chip as fast as the ones you could put in a T430 or T440P. As always I enjoy your channel, I've learned a lot and continue to use Linux more as I learn.
This is the exact kind of review I need. For me, there is no reason to buy a new laptop when a cheap used laptop with an SSD works well enough.
Nice review. I have a T420 with 16GB ram, SSD and mSata ssd. Swapped I5 for a quad code I7 runs Manjaro without a hitch.
cheers, my config, except I'm running i7 3540M Corebooted. Works perfectly.
I daily drive a t440p with fedora right now, the great thing about this laptop is that everything can be upgraded. I HIGHLY recommend upgrading to a 1080p IPS screen and swapping out the trackpad for one from a t450p (they are 100% compatible). Both are fairly inexpensive and simple upgrades.
Hi, where did you buy these parts?
@@guillermoayala9117 Ebay
I used to work on a similar T-series laptop at a previous job. I loved working on that piece of rugged hardware, especially using the built in keyboard.
Thank you, Jay. I used to always use old Thinkpads with Xfce or Fluxbox.
Thanks Jay, and reminding me I still need to bypass the EEPROM chip on my T430, and install Pop OS. One thing you might mention concerning the Thinkpad family at this time, it that they are fully customizable, you may change type of screen, keyboard, uprade to a faster processor, and so on.....They are real Swiss knife computers we would enjoy to run. Cheers!
You can add the Lenovo G450 to that list. Mine was purchased in 2009 and currently runs MX Linux / Xfce flawlessly. Thank you for the video
I own a T440p and it's hands down the best Lenovo Thinkpad in my fleet. Yes, i upgraded the crap out of it. IPS screen, I7 quad core processor and 16 GB RAM. I also have the Intel integrated graphics model and it's served me extremely well over the years. I bought mine as a NOS model that never went into service so the condition is like brand new. After all these years, the grey finish still looks stunning and i prefer that color over the black of most Thinkpads.
whats NOS?
@@tarsem3258 New Old Stock
Macbook Air 2013 running Manjaro - it just flies now, visibly faster than with MacOS.
I like the preview of the old laptop 👍
Yay. I'm still using my 6-7 year old T440p as my daily driver, and it still runs like a beast. I did some SSD and RAM upgrades, and replaced the battery a year ago. But everything else works, my display also looks a lot better than Jay's, and it doesn't feel a bit slow.
I have an SSD upgrade in mine, and the screen is surprisingly bright and crisp (although viewing angles are very narrow...)
My homelab is running on a T410i and a T420, great machines
Love a thicc Thinkpad.
Would look forward to a "what to look for when buying a used Thinkpad" video
The T440p is my daily driver however upgraded much of the hardware to do so. Started with a i5 std model like yours and after about $500 in upgrades I have a high performace laptop for half the cost of a new laptop.
I have a T440p and just love it. I've dropped this thing at least a dozen times and she takes a lickin and keeps on tickin. Agreed, the keyboard is awesome.
You're spot on on the Lenovo T series. They are simply the best and the keyboard it is the best laptop keyboard period. The screen it is not the best but you can buy a new screen and it's very easy to swap it for a 1080p gorgeous new screen and it costs like 50 bucks. I have a few T series and I have this T440p too that is running Manjaro but it had almost every Linux distro because it was my work horse test bed. There is one not so good about the T440p and that's the track pad. I don't use it but it's not very good.
I bought a Lenovo T430 back in 2017 for $150 plus I had received a couple of Amazon credits for doing some beta testing, total cost was $250. Already had an SSD laying around. Kept the Windows 10 Pro installed. I did install WSL and Kali, but wanted a separate drive for Kali. It came with the I5 3320M, and 8gb of RAM. Last year I replaced the DVD caddy with an additional SSD, and installed Kali on that for work and learning. Dual boot on separate drives with absolutely no issues.
Thanks Jay. In Brazil, they're fairly common used laptops, as they're purchased by companies, their brand is commonly know as "business laptops". So you can find one in good or mint condition, except for their price. Even used, they're reaching at least US$ 500. Still a good choice.
I have Raspbian running on an old IBM ThinkPad T42. I upgraded the RAM to 2GB and installed an SSD. It actually does pretty well for light web browsing. Not bad for a Pentium M!
I have a Thinkpad L540, added 8 gigs of ram and SSD. Installed Pop Os and work flawlessly!
I used a dell XPS 13 9333 until it refused to turn on. Great Linux support out of the box and it had an amazing keyboard and screen. Well within the current price range you are looking for and it has a premium feel.
Picked up one last night. Running Manjaro i3 f lawlessly :)
I bought second hand x220 for 140 EUR and put PopOS! on it. It's the most perfect combination in the whole universe, everything worked out of the box, even the finger print sensor. It's a small little beast, I even prefer it over my cellphone for quick TH-cam videos, what I've never expected to happen.
I have a Thinkpad T440 which I run Windows 10 on for Forex trading with 8GB of RAM and a 240G SSD. I also have a Thinkpad W520 running Ubuntu 20.10 with 16GB of RAM and a 240GB SSD. But the laptop that I REALLY love is the System 76 Lemur Lemu6 with PopOS! that I purchased from you on eBay. I haven't changed a thing on it and it's running like a charm !!!!
this was my office laptop between 2014 and mid-2015. I had a 1080p screen, but still poor peak brightness of 200nits and horrible colour reproduction. I was using a Surface Pro 3 at that time for personal use and the screen quality difference was huge. I still use that Surface Pro 3 as a backup device, but decided to gave back the T440p to the company even though I had a good buy back offer - just because of the poor screen. I wished I had accepted the buy back because one of my colleague did it and replaced the screen with a LG 1080p 300 nit decent screen and it looked good.
You can sometimes find laptop motherboards for next to nothing, I picked up a T440 (non p) with an i5-4300u for just $20, got 4GB ram for like $4 and a tiny 16GB sata m.2 as a boot disk, I've been using it as my homelab server.
The 1080p IPS panels for the T440p are pretty good and even if you have one that didn't come with it from the factory it's quite easy to upgrade yourself, at least from what I've heard. The panel on mine is a LG LP140WF1-SPK1 which looks really similar to my desktop PC's main monitor and my phone screen (both of which are also IPS).
My T440p is a quite high spec one (20AN007FMS) so I've only upgraded the RAM from 8GB to 12GB in the 3 years I've had it. Someday I'll probably upgrade it to 16GB and upgrade the SSD to a bigger one.
clean looking used thinkpad.
I have an old HP-Compaq 6910p dual core laptop running Kubuntu 20.4 merrily without any problems. It's got a 250gb ssd and 4gb ram and apart from replacing the keyboard recently and fitting a new battery it runs better now than when new.
I have a Thinkpad 420 with i7, 8GB Ram, SSD, high resolution screen and nVidia NVS 4200M. XUbuntu and Arch are running great.
Due to remote learning I have revived for my 8 yr old an old Lenovo 2191 yoga 13.3 I5 on mint OS 20.1, from 2012/2013. Works super in all aspects other than the trackpad it works 10% of the time and the camera image/ video is very dark. Hopefully she get 2 years out of it!!!
I just got this T440p, and I'm planning to try Pop_OS! on it tomorrow... I think it will be alright, sticking with 19.10 instead of bleeding-edge.
I have a t-430 w/ NVIDIA graphics, an X-230 and an ASUS u46e all with I-7 quad core and 8 Gb of ram. I replaced the HDDs with SSDs and they all run very well. I am presently using Fedora on the x-230 and Mint20 on the t-430 and Asus . I also have a Satellite c675 with a 17" screen, a dual core and 8 Gb running ubuntu 20.04. It also does very well. I recently upgraded to the latest distros and everything is running very smooth.
I have a Thinkpad 420s. 8GRam SSD drive linux runs great
I found a cheap X250. Works flawlessly with Ubuntu 20.04. Can’t wait to upgrade to 22.04 in a few months !
I grabbed one of these last year right before we started remote work. I didn't want to have my company unfettered access to my main PC when I was logging in via citrix. Run W10 on 1 drive and Ubuntu on the other.
I did max the RAM, threw in a 256GB m.2 SAD and swapped the screen for a FHD one. Wanted to swap in a better touch pad with the 3 physical buttons but couldn't find the correct replacement anywhere.
I keep a HP Elitebook 8470p with Linux Mint 20 (with the snap 'block' disabled) with a Core i5-3320M, the integrated Intel HD 4000 GPU, 8GB of RAM and a 240GB SSD. While it's no longer my daily driver, it is has earned the place of honor as my 'TV Buddy' for plinking around while in my downtime, due to its reliability.
Thanks
I was thinking about used T-series but I bought new ThinkPad E495 on sales last year and installed Manjaro Architect there. Yes, E-series is a cheaper ThinkPad than T-series, but it is still rock solid, it has very good keyboard. Also, E495 comes with AMD Ryzen 5 3500U CPU and can be extended with RAM and additional SATA drive.
So, yes, it is not under 300 USD mark, but it cost me under 750 Euro for ThinkPad with Ryzen 5 3500U CPU, 24GB RAM, 256GB M.2 SSD and 500GB SATA SSD.
One more - I am big fan of Track Point. But because T440 has sensor buttons, using Track Point there is really a nightmare. You can buy Touch Pad with mechanical buttons from T450 and install it into the T440. But it is extra effort and money.
Any of the old toughbooks as good as the old thinkpads?
My laptop is a Lenovo B50-30 notebook. Released in 2015. Costing just £170! And yet more than 5 1/2 years on, it's capable of running Ubuntu 20.04. The only upgrade that I've made is increasing the RAM from 4GB to 8GB. And removed the dreadful Windows 8 OS. Replacing the latter with Ubuntu. I agree with the screen quality on Lenovo laptops too. It is poor! Oh yeah and I had the wi-fi connectivity issue too! That took a very long time to solve!
I really do prefer the trackpad on my t420, but I'm glad I bought a t440p :)
Looks like you're very familiar with this system. My only problem is that I can't seem to connect to newer 4K TVs. I never anticipated this being an issue. I have my display port/hdmi cable connected to my 10 year old Samsung 720p plasma without issue. But, when I try to connect it to the new Hisense or Omni Fire TVs they don't even seem to recognize the signal. I'm thinking of getting one of these new Beelink MiniPC's I see showing up everywhere. Anyways,. thanks for your comment.
X220 and HP4340S with Mint. excellent.
You can buy a 1080p IPS display for any of the T440 models for approx. $70 US.
I'm using a T420 with Xubuntu. Paid $65 for it 2 years ago. Put an old 128GB SSD in it and 8GB of ram that was laying around. Also swapped the CD drive for a HD caddy that holds a 1TB spinning drive. All in I have about $100 in it. The only thing I'd like is a better screen.
as user using linux lite on thinkpad T440, i am suggest change you hdd to ssd
I have the T440p with the Nvidia gpu and I want to use Manjaro with Gnome DE but I am not sure how it will work with the optimus graphics. I suppose I could always use Mint or PopOS for integrated capability.
I have had this laptop for a while, but I want to completely reconfigure it. I intend on running a fedora linux kernel. For my new intended purposes I need this laptop on the go, ready at a moment's notice. Thus I wanted to look into a feature of the laptop I was aware of, but never looked into: The Simcard Slot. Can linux be configured to work with cellular calls and unlimited data?
I have had this same model running win10 / Ubuntu over the years just fine.
The 2 big cons is that the screen isn't bigger ( tmux or xmonad or vim splits kinda remedy that ), and the video port is mini display port. They're 10 bucks but it still is annoying.
Running Kubuntu on a T440 (no P) - and only 4 GB of RAM. Processor i5-4200U. Strangely enough there is only 1 RAM-slot. My son has a T440 bought around the same time as mine - but it's apparently newer. Has 2 RAM-slots and an i5-4300. All in all we are both very happy with our buy. He runs Ubuntu. Only complaint is the Bluetooth-suppport for my headphones. With sound at maximum it is a little to low in volume and the sound falls behind the video with about 1/2 a second. But putting the wire in - everything is OK. So yeah - Lenovo is very recommendable! We bought refurbished PC's. Only other issues was some scratches and the battery only keeps around 60% - but then Kubuntu doesn't drain the battery that hard, so I have easily 4 hours of work without plugging in.
I use Dell Latitude E7440. Swapped the hard drive for an SSD. Manjaro runs boots and runs smoothly.
I love this laptop. It's big, it's thick, it has a disc drive, and it has lots of ports. The CPU is socketed too, so you can upgrade it. I replaced the i7-4600M on mine with an i7-4702MQ. With 16GB of RAM and a 1TB SSD, it runs fantastic.
Mine also has the hybrid NVIDIA GPU, so it can play some games, provided you have a distro that properly sets up the GPU.
A question from a linux noobie: I can buy a t440p with Nvidia GeForce GT730m, do you think it will run well on linux mint cinnamon or lmde5 ? I'm not a gamer
@@vincarillon2677 It should. Linux Mint should install the necessary drivers to ensure the NVIDIA/Intel hybrid GPU works properly.
I was going to ask you about the hybrid Nvidia GPU? Is it switchable and are you having any issues running windows 10 with that GPU?
@@klwthe3rd It's not so much switchable as it just uses the NVIDIA GPU as needed. It uses the Intel integrated graphics for basic workloads, uses the NVIDIA for more demanding programs like games; that kind of stuff. And I've never used Windows on my T440p, so I'm afraid I can't help you there. Sorry.
@@CyborgZeta Well i know that Linux Mint does the best job for working with older laptops with Nvidia graphics card. But i prefer Zorin OS and i've had issues with some of my older Thinkpads running on that operating system.
I have old Asus K45V and I Install Debian 10 for my primary machine. My Laptop has NVidia GeForce 610M graphics card and only get support with Nvidia-legacy drivers. Is it okay to install Nvidia-legacy drivers or much better if I didn't Install it because some modern apps like steam, and cuda didn't work again with Nvidia-legacy drivers?
Using my T430S with pop!Os. Like it alot albeit the screen
I have an old Windows 8 laptop that I'm planning to try Pop!_OS on. It's good to know that it should most likely work fine!
Installed from DVD or thumb drive please?
I have a Thinkpad T440s, and these were delivered with several options for screens: IPS + touch, IPS without touch and ordinary LCD. The IPS screens are very good, but you seem to have LCD.
Are they matte or glossy? The matte ones are better in general.
My Amd E-350 X120e is running mx Linux with 10gbs of ram with a ssd
This Thinkpad T440P is selling well in my country
hey i need an advice. I have upgraded my thinkpad t440p to an 8gb ram but the graphic memory has not change, instead it has remained on 2560 mb. Does anyone have an advice on what to do.
LearnLinuxTV, Innolux N140HCG-GQ2 is supposed to be a great upgrade for the 14" ThinkPads. That TN panel is *horrible*! Also, that trackpad is known as the clunkpad, and you can replace it with that of a T450.
The choice for me was between a T440p and the T450. T440p has a sockeded CPU and can be upgraded with a quadcore, the T450 can be upgraded to 32GB RAM (officially it supports 16). I found a T450 with a i7-5600U and a 240GB ssd for ~$190, so I went with that and picked mine up a couple of days ago.
I've installed Arch+xmonads and doing configs now...had some trouble with iwlwifi not loading, and I managed to enable both NetworkManager and netctl for a nice little conflict, but now I've got the wifi up and running, and now just started on the sound. I've only been using Linux for five months, but I'm learning and have been able to figure things out.
After getting the sound working I'll be spending quite some time editing the xmonad/xmobar configs.
I really like the wm experience so far, and it'll be so nice when I've got it set up just the way I like it :)
As for the hardware, I'll be upgrading the RAM to 32GB, replacing the thermal paste on the CPU, replace the panel for a FHD IPS, as well as giving it a good cleaning, including removing the keyboard to clean out the dust.
Btw, although I like Vim, both i tellij & VS Code are running great :)
And, as mentioned, the keyboard is awesome for being a laptop. I plan on using it for coding when I'm away form home, but I'll ssh to my desktop and let it do the heavy lifting when I need to run something that demands a better CPU...
Well, sound working now. That was rather quick and painless...spent a lot more time getting the wifi to work :-p
I have an x230 with Intel Celeron Processor 877 (2M Cache, 1.40 GHz), 4GB RAM, , 380GB HHD, running Linux MInt 19.3 with Cinnamon, paid $130, and it's not all that bad. It's got a Japanese keyboard with English stickers over the keys, and it's not bad at all, compared to running Windows. :)
I'm debating getting a T440p (i5 4300m, 16gb ddr3, 240gb SSD, 1080p IPS screen, 6 cell battery) for the equivalent of about $209 USD. Don't need the dedicated graphics as I would prefer better battery life. Thinking uf the price is fine considering what I see around the same price are base model 5th-6th gen i5 business laptops or upgraded 2nd-3rd gen i5 business laptops.
I'm still using a Lenovo Thinkpad X140e with BodhiLinux (Moksha desktop environment, a fork of the enlightenment 17 desktop environment) and it only has 4GB of RAM but STACER shows that only 3gb is available. There are 2 RAM slots available and only one being occupied, so I ordered 2 to upgrade to 8GB RAM. I already have a 500GB HD, but I am getting another 500GB external drive just for the halibut. I'm also getting a USB-A to USB-C converter, and this is all around $100 with shipping and taxes. I'm doing this because I really like what I already have. I'm not a gamer (though I occasionally play Lux Alliance on STEAM) gameplay is a little sluggish but that and solitaire and maybe an old version of lincity is all I play these days and very rarely at that. The rest of the time is just surfing, social media, watching youtube or rumble etc, pretty basic needs, most of the time. I do miss Distro Hopping though, so maybe with the external HD and extra RAM, I can play with distros a little with virtualbox or something? I'll get a more modern lenovo later on, for now I enjoy trying to keep this thing alive, it's almost good enough right now BEFORE the "upgrades". I'm not expecting much, but every little bit helps. #BudgetLinuxPC
I have several Dell Latitude 6420's that a company was replacing. I put in SSD drives and the unts run Linux great. I agree, Lenovo is better all around, but for free, I could not pass up on the Dells.
I purchased a Gateway laptop from walmart and it runs arch like its nobodys business. Only 400$. everything is great on quality of the build too.
1:22 Hi You can upgrade the CPU to quad core. The CPU on T440P is socketed. Also you can upgrade the Touchpad with T450 that include the Traditional IBM Tracking point. 👍👍👍 T440P is great machine But T430 is the best.
You can upgrade the screen to a 1080p ips screen rather easy.
How's battery life in linux?
Much good than mine specs
I bought a New Lenovo Ideapad 3 with an AMD 4500u. It's Fast Fast Fast.
But screen is depressingly bad in Windows BUT is better in Linux. I have never seen something like this before. It's brighter and cleaner looking on linux.
Any ideas as to why?
It was suppose to have 720 webcam but only has a 640. I am regretting buying because of how bad the screen is.
Acer Aspire 5 Slim. Ryzen 3 model is $365 on Amazon. Supports up to 32GB of RAM, has a full HD 15.6 inch IPS display. Room for a 2.5 SATA drive inside and comes with the necessary connector cable and screws. NVMe drive is upgradable. Keyboard is decent, trackpad is fairly large and works well. Design is clean and light, like a MacBook Air. I nabbed the Ryzen 5 version on sale one day for $520. At this point I wouldn’t recommend anyone spend good money on something years old unless it already came with a better screen and cost far less than $300, or was a free gift.
Have you installed linux on any Acer Laptops. I have an old aspire with 4gb of ram and an old pentium processor I am thinking of installing unbuntu mate or ubuntu on.
Debian XFCE would probably be a better choice! I'm running Debian XFCE on this ancient IBM ThinkPad G40 that I've got which as 1GB of RAM and a Pentium 4 and it works!
Been looking for a good deal on a t440p for months now. I keep just missing the top bid on ebay and it's driving me nuts.
I wish you luck!
I have a T440S that came with that horrible trackpad, you can replace it with a trackpad from a T450 for a reasonably priced, nice upgrade.
Watch this video with Thinkpad T61 Fossapup
Keyboards on those Lenovos are best laptop keyboards, by far anyway. Even better than Apple's. The only issue I've seen (working on hundreds of T-series Lenovos) would be a select few of the T540P (15" version similar to that laptop) - it used to have some Fan Failures, but everything else on it was perfect.
Also make sure in the BIOS, they don't have Computrace activated - Permanently deactivate it so it doesn't try injecting trackers to your OS.
Nothing comes even close the Levono keyboards on the business models (T430, T440...etc). So much better than Apple or any laptop that has gone for the flat keys.
@@iainbell8366 so true
Second thing you would want to do is replace its trackpad with T450 trackpad.
My only gripe with the T-440? was the fact that the TOUCHPAD was HORRIBLE! That whole "one-huge-surface-with-no-dedicated-buttons was what drove me away! Also, the screen really was a dim miserable mess, but, since I connect all my devices to my 27" IPS Lenovo monitor?...the actual scren is less of an issue for me, but still crap is crap...and this is why I skipped that model and moved on to the T-4350 / T-460 / T-470 and now I'm rockin' a T-480! I think this will be my last ThinkPad, since I still have three T-420's a T-430, plus a Dell XPS 15 (9560) and a Huawei MateBook X Pro. don't need anymore laptops! I'm now looking to either buy or build my own desktop PC, I'm thinking I might go with System76, their mid-sized tower, with an AMD Ryzen 7 and 32GB of RAM. I'm thinking that their quality must be good since a few of the engineers where I work bought a few to get their work done.
I agree. The T440 trackpad is an abomination. They added back the 2 proper buttons in the later generations. I simply won't buy any of the Lenovo 4th gen business laptops because of it.
@@iainbell8366 Me neither, I mean...my cousin has one and she?....STRICTLY uses it as a desktop replacement" so the trackpad and awful display? become non-issues, (i can't lie...running that with a 32-inch flat panel display?..is AWESOME!..LOL!) But yeah...from thew T-450 and up, that's where you go looking...because trying to work with that trackpad is a HUGE waste of time!!!
Thinkpad + Linux = Perfect 💪💯
cool
Companies like to cheap out on the screen to save money when they buy laptops for their employees. That's why Lenovo offered these terrible screens for their base models for a long time. You can usually buy a replacement display for a good price on ebay. That's what I did with my X250. With the T440p you can also replace memory, CPU and SSD AFAIK.
Lenovo 💪 😍👍💪😍🤗💥🔥
I had a T440 in college and I intentionally bought the model with the worst screen and replaced it with a decent panel (I went glossy and it was beautiful- fight me, purists) That was a really nice laptop once I added the backlit keyboard, maxed the RAM, and added an SSD.
Running Garuda Linux, my first Arch-based daily driver, on a T420. Upgraded RAM to 16GB, added a SSD. Ran elementaryOS, Ubunutu, Arco Linux when the machine was my distro hopper machine. I think I am sticking with Garuda on the T420 for good though. Love using the machine, even if that means not using my XPS 15. If there is a complaint - and this holds true for all the distros I ran on this particular ThinkPad - it is that it gets pretty toasty if I am running video on it for too long. The solution that works best is to downgrade the resolution of the video to 720p or lower, which is fine if you are stuck with the factory screen, but not ideal if you have a second monitor that supports 1080p. Some compromising required there, but like you said, typing is such a pleasant experience on ThinkPads that compromising optimal video performance seems a cost worth paying, at least for me.
Why didn’t he upgrade the screen instead of moaning about it…🤔
Just tell me, what is really an old Laptop. I would say Lenovo x200!
it is unfair to say old. my thinkpad is better than most laptops sold today. I would call him experienced. Lenovo Thinkpad t440p + Kali Linux =
LOL, good point. And "veteran" (how's that?) computers can sometimes outperform newer ones, that's just the way it goes sometimes.
i just bought t440p for kali... do you have any problem with the wifi or driver in general?
@@stefanofarsetti4974 only problem i was with driver sound
@@tomhaart7022 did you manage to solve It?
@@stefanofarsetti4974 sure. I dont remember name od alternative driver, but It was easy for me when i didint know anything about Debian.
Whenever I see a 1080p or lower screen, I don't even bother looking at the laptop.