@@Frostflame you don´t understand that Intelligent System was forced to change from an RPG to something new because nintendo don´t wanted 2 Mario RPG games and Mario and Luigi was more like the original mario, they don´t wanted Mario storys that are very unlike mario and that´s why IS is forced to change from an RPG to now a puzzle game. It´s not their fault and they are still have great writing
It just bothers me that all they had to do was add some sort of exp system to incentivise you to battle and I’d have little to no complaints about this game
Elliot Duby ik know this isn’t what you mean, but i think the incentive to battle is to get coins so you can buy different versions of the hammer and jump attacks
To be honest, the real incentive for me to battle is fetch quests, NPC, or forced battle, or different equipment and combo to try (e.g. skill tree, skill branches, equipment and loots). Exp by itself doesn't give any incentive at all, I think you are forgetting all the other things that complement the reason for exp system.
DashingIb I mean....they took away the purpose of battle, in a game that spawned two amazing RPG experiences as it’s first two games. Excellent cast of supporting characters, simple and hilarious story, and ENGAGING battle system. I did like Super Paper Mario. I found it fun and engaging. Got a bit repetitive. But, it failed in comparison to Thousand Year Door. THAT is why this looks so lacking to me. I’m sure there’s fun to be had. I’m sure it’ll have its die hard fans....but I for one, am not spending $60 on this!
Played and LOVED it. It isn’t the RPG game it used to be but it’s an RPG-like adventure game with lots of surprises and awesome new bosses, fantastic environments and new badges etc
I'm still pumped for this game, its a little disappointing that the game doesn't sound like too much of an improvement but i'm sure playing it will be in for a good time
Agreed. I know I won’t enjoy the combat, but the game itself still looks fun so I’ll still pick it up. I really don’t understand their design choice with the combat
AstrosGamer The whole game isn’t just the combat. Mostly what I’m hoping for are charming characters and level designs. Maybe I’ll be disappointed for hoping too much, but I still want to give it a shot.
I think I'll like the puzzle battle system. I like having to have a think instead of mashing a button repetitively. The charm and visuals looks AMAZING! Also, I love that each Toad you save shows up in the stand to cheer you on in the combat.
And this game will fefi Italy be more challenging then sticker star and color splash cuz its so much easier to make a hard puzzle then a hard strategic battle
@@force4973 part of the fun with PM and TTYD battles is strategizing with your companions, badges, and items to find your fight style and plan for the boss fights
Force What regular fight OK takes that long? And even then at least it’s more stimulating than mashing the same button over and over again to kill the same nooks in other RPGs.
The battle system does ruin the game for me. I'm not buying it. If I want to see the great writing and wit in the game, I will just watch a let's play of it.
@@bluebomber875 because it doesn't take much to realize it's moving the ring a couple times then doing one of a few super repetitive attacks. You can make your own mind up easily if that's appealing or not. Apparently it doesn't even evolve much by the end game, all the enemies are samey etc..
@@bluebomber875 the partners have almost no influence during battle, I don't want to deal with a puzzle with every battle, and there is no exp. I don't have to actually play the game to recognize these points. It is all clear on trailers and reviews. The game looks great and seems well written, but that doesn't make up for the poor battle system imo.
@@bluebomber875 If the gameplay is lame but the story is great then i can just watch somebody play it whilst i enjoy the story bits. We already know how the gameplay works because of Treehouse presentation
Yep, I can tell just by the sight of the battle system that it's a purchase canceller for me. Glorified fucking puzzle game, looks so repetitive and dull even just the second time watching someone else do it. No exp, no levels, no skills or character progression outside new boots and hammers? Nope. Way to continue the Paper Mario RPG legacy, by taking out the RPG...Plus maybe your average person could have some challenge with that system, it looks so simple to me it's insulting, I'd rather have Paper Mario the Sudoku Curse...
Automata 2B Nintendo games like Mansion 3 just don’t go on sale... if you can spare $60 I would just get it as it’s a phenomenal game and I really enjoyed the adventure
Square Enix is very stingy with their IP. Good Luck waiting for Super Mario RPG cause its never gonna happen like Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy VI coming to NSO. I really hope im proven wrong by SE.
@@emersonssbb Nintendo should have been smarter when they collaborated with Square on Mario RPG...Square shouldn't have as much control over a MARIO game as they apparently do. Maybe we could have seen Geno & Mallow in Kart, Party & various sports games. Then again, Nintendo does love making random generic enemies playable and having alternate costumes treated like individual characters instead of putting any real effort into choosing actual characters for the rosters....
If battling is broken I kinda think the game shouldn’t be praised as highly as you did. I get the other features may be good, but battling is such a HUGE part of it, it’s the main gameplay
I can see your point but it’s like praising legend of Zelda bow for being a good walking simulator and ignoring everything else, when reviewing games you have to account for everything like a game might have a bad main story but having the best side quests in the world may make some people want to pick it up.
An RPG is not an RPG without exp, levels, skills(usually), and some sort of battle system that lets you see character progress over time. This game isn't an RPG, and I wanted an RPG. Of course the battles are the most important part, take any amazing RPG out there and rip out the battle system, exp and level system, skill system, and put in a shitty puzzle mini-game instead and that game would now be trash. I guess it could still have a great story, but then I'm only willing to pay half price or less for half of a game or less. So sad they had to go and fuck up a great looking game like this. Hopefully Ghosts of Tsushima doesn't have eating competitions instead of sword combat...and hopefully Cyberpunk 77 isn't a Let's Dance clone at its heart. Like FFS how stupid can a studio be to make a battle system like this in a line of PURE RPG GAMES...the incompetence is staggering. Sorry if you like it, good for you, hope you enjoy the game, I know I wouldn't.
@@BlueAizu_ it is rather disappointing. I can admire innovation when it pays off, and devs deserve to be able to be creative, but it doesn't always pan out
9:24 doesn't the footage on the screen contradict this complaint? Since the Shyguys and Sniffts are in mix groups but the game still gives Mario the attack bonus
Enemies do not have to be grouped together with other like enemies to get the attack bonus. Just lined up or boxed into a square is all that is required.
Dang I'm definitely gonna get this (unlike the last 2) but I just think this game could have really been even better if there were an incentive to battles. I get it. They wanted to try something new and that's fine. Just make the battles worth doing (xp, leveling up, new attacks) and that could be the perfect balance between old and new Paper Mario.
@Joel Johnson First off, if there doesn't need to be a purpose for the battles then why do them? If engaging enemies in battles does not reward me for defeating them then battling does not contribute anything to progressing in the game, period. Secondly, BOTW's and Odyssey's combat sequences are completely different than Paper Marios turn based combat sequences. In BOTW and Odyssey you are given the freedom to choose whether you want to fight enemies or not. In Origami king, Color Splash and Sticker Star you are drawn into an RPG-like, turn based battle sequence when engaging enemies that you have to either complete or try to run away. Finally, in BOTW fighting enemies is the *MAIN* way to get new weapons and gear. Fighting enemies rewarded you with weapons, shields and recipe ingredients. in Odyssey you are rewarded with coins for taking out enemies. Coins were used to revive you meaning the more coins you had, the more times you could be revived. And you could use coins to purchase outfits.
Because the current series producer, Kensuke Tanabe, doesn't want to make an RPG. He wants to make the same game over and over with Toads and some new battle system gimmick that won't matter because battles aren't necessary to do.
@@matthewmagnani2915 I actually never got around to galxy 2 as much as I loved the first game.. Something about a new 3d Mario so quick after the last one turned me off it... I've heard its a fantastic game though
This is the type of game you have to play in person to decide if you like it or not. Gameplay is a bit different. I’m sure its something I can get used to. I really wished they added a level exp system. It makes the battling system not as exiting, but I do love the series and will give it a try. *Update: I love this game ❤️
I really liked the battle system. The coins were good enough for me to battle. But the Battle system seems to be “You either love it or hate it” KingK really loves the battle system but then Arlo... not so much
To be fair, I played a bit of Color Splash the other day. It's not terrible but you may want to watch at least 2-3 more reviews to see what the general thoughts are 🤔
@@MaximumAddition it's really a matter of taste. Which of these would I find more fun for myself? Paper Mario Origami King might be a good game by it's own merits, but sometimes you need to weigh the priorities of one's self
I started a Let’s Play if you’re interested! Though I will say I’m feeling it was money well-spent so far (only an hour in lol) because it feels like the Nintendo focus on FUN is really front and center th-cam.com/video/sNpA6h_3bD8/w-d-xo.html
I feel like Nintendo has lost sight of what made the original Paper Mario games as popular as they are. It just feels like the heart, soul and creativity of the characters, worlds and stories we remembered from the first 3 titles are dumbed down. The Origami King definitely feels like a step in the right direction but this is just like what happened with Super Mario Party and Mario Tennis Aces. You don't need to fix what wasn't broken to begin with.
they did the same thing with Star Fox....Command on DS was a gimmicky touch controlled trainwreck with the worst story possible ( I liked the new big bad, Emperor Anglar though...he had potential ), then after a long ass time gave us another remake of the original ( yep, 64 is literally a remake of the SNES original that incorporated aspects of the then scrapped Star Fox 2 ) that again focused on a gimmicky control setup while now ignoring a ton of what fans loved about the series. It's like they're afraid of originality and story half the time
It’s not really a paper Mario game, but super Mario rpg legend of the seven stars is my favorite Mario rpg game. I’d recommend going back to play TTYD! If you like origami king I’m sure you’d like that one too
ttyd is better if you like a more traditional rpg with a more compelling story. This is for if you like puzzles or something and don't wanna fight at all
This game is NOT a RPG game. It’s a adventure game with puzzles and lots of witty writing tho still in the kid side. Forgot about the other paper Mario games and think of this as a spine off. Like for real or you will get mad lol This is the type of game I play for an hour some days. What keep me playing is seeing the new areas which do get more impressive the more you play. Olivia who at first start out as annoying you grew to like and her cute charm. Not trying to 100% always moving forward so you don’t burnout cuz it’s very easy in this game. Don’t grind for money and battles, have fun with items and use accessory. My fav so far which makes the game battle bearable is the accessory where it tells you how you should line up the enemies omg it’s a LIFE SAVER. You get it after beating the 2nd boss and if you can past that it really helps I like this game but don’t over do it and have a diff mind set
Man, I remember so many people were so happy about the jump and hammer coming back so that they wouldn't just spend coins on expendable items in battles to get more coins to spend on expendable items. Well. I guess they technically don't have to with the base jump attack, but... Well, what Alex said.
"Weapons" and "break" are two words gamers do not want to hear side-by-side. In the Golden Sun series, many armour/accessories (esp. Rings) could be Used (vs. Equipped) for special effects and have a chance of breaking. I never Used them. It sounds like a pain to go back to stores and repair the broken items. Much greater a tragedy to use the coins earned from a battle to repurchase an attack that was used in that battle.
Me personally, the lack of an exp system for me is breath of fresh air. Sometimes, you just wanna play a game like this without worrying about grinding levels
I assume this is your first paper Mario game? From the arts and craft section anyway since the whole no exp bs has already over stayed its welcome since stickerstar :/ , this being the 3rd game with no exp an from the SS/CS series
Dang it, I mean I didn’t get my hopes up but with the battle system I guess I’ll pass on the game. I mean I played Bug Fables so I’ve gotten my Paper Mario for the console anyway.
If you already got your Paper Mario console fix with Bug Fables why not just pick this up for something different? It certainly looks really good, even if it doesn't have the battles you were idealizing. You might find yourself surprised.
I’m getting the game even if the combat system looks like trash. I skipped the last 2 paper Mario’s and I’m ready for this one! Everything else looks great.
Just a note this world may not feel like the first three games -- play it as a game that it interests you, not because it's name is a Paper Mario game.
What are you saying? The ring system is actually quite a well made battle system. Besides, as you progress through the game, over world confetti becomes more scarce and larger amounts of money will be needed to purchase accessories, giving more purpose to the battles.
Over time, I found the battles alright. The battle items last for ten-ish uses each which is more than enough. As for the coins: Even when I had over 50,000, I was down to 200 really quickly. If you want to complete the game, you need the coins. Overall, I'm really enjoying the game.
I liked how in the older games, the paper was more of an Art Style cuz it was a story from a book (hence the Chapters), but now its kinda overdone and they're self aware of it. The big white outlines, how they wiggle while standing in place, etc. Really offputting. And yeah the combat looks terrible and that's what I loved most about the older games. Using different badge set ups. having to manage flower points and star abilities.
Sad thing is, that's actually REALLY easy to achieve. Have her beams and armor take health/damage with each use, but AS she uses it, it wears down your upgraded suit health until you repair it with specific metals that you find in the overworld Yes, i know energy ammo is in metroid prime games.
As a guy who was uncertain on how I'd feel about the battle system, I went into this with an open mind because I saw so many folks enjoying this title-- I couldn't get into. I think you detailed the battle system perfectly It's either insulting easy or baffling, I had another person with me trying to solve these puzzles. I didn't know about the assist mode, so that is neat feature, but I genuinely think that could help a little. However, I just didn't find it all that rewarding for the amount of effort you had to put into battles. Of course, just because it wasn't for me does not mean it isn't for everyone! Good review!
9:22 Puzzles aren't solved by grouping the same types of enemies together. The only requirement is getting them into 1x4 or 2x2 arrangements. The actual enemy type doesn't matter at all, so your complaint about Sniffits/ShyGuys being similar from the back is pretty unimportant. In your own gameplay example, you got a "Perfect Lineup" which proves that mixing the two up doesn't matter (though they do have different HP)...
I can't wait to start digging into this game! I expect the gameplay to be a little bit different than previous games but I'm ready for something new to play/stream other than Animal Crossing New Horizons! I'm a little burnt out on ACNH. Anyways, great review!
It sounds like the only thing they really need to change, apart from elemental battles so I hear, is the repetitive nature of the over world battles. Either by providing a set number of enemies in the over world each with a unique take on the turn based system, or even a system that destroys earlier enemies in the over world on contact. I am so HYPED for this game, two more days.
@Joel Johnson think of basketball, you get points for making shots right.. that's old paper mario And this game allows you to shoot a ball out of a canon from outside the nba dome. Yeah it's cool and entertaining but you get no points for it. So doing it is pointless after the first few times and you might as well just have gone for normal shots.... but you can't make normal shots now, you're stuck shooting your canon shots but with no rewards whatsoever
I don't understand the critic of "not able to solve the rings puzzle with the time given and receive damage". You are able to buy more time with your coins so that's technically not an issue, right? I see parts of gameplay with 18k coins...
Nintendo really needs to get over this idea of putting degrading items into their games. It wasn't particularly fun in Breath of the Wild, and adds a layer of annoyance and tedium to Animal Crossing New Horizons. If there's any proof of this being the case, when diving came out, and there is literally nothing that stops you from just diving forever and enjoying your time - that feeling of relief is one.
For years, the Paper Mario community has consistently asked for only 2 major things: 1) battles that serve a purpose; and 2) fleshed out partners What we got were the most half-assed attempts possible at meeting these two goals. Partners are back, but they're temporary and you can't control them in battle. Battles have been shaken up, but aren't satisfying and don't offer a worthwhile reward. Fuck this game and the tone-deaf executives in charge of these creative decisions.
12:21 Here's my main problem with this if the best parts of the game are the story and the characters and not the combat or gameplay the part I would be playing...why don't I just watch someone else play it? Or just watch someone else live stream it? I would get to see all the "good" the game has to offer and I wouldn't even need to pay for it. Which I think really does need to brought up more this is a $70+ dollar game and honestly does this game really feel worth the full price?
I feel like people are being hard on the game’s combat just because its not full on TTYD. I personally think its a great change and makes it fun, plus you get better at them the more you do them, and i much rather get my coins and confetti from battles than literally smacking everything in the world.
No joke, nearly (or every I don’t remember) all the reviews I watched of this game was carried by “the games pretty funny, and the environment’s cool” instead of the story, setting and fighting. Legit the hub world might be the best part of the game
Just finished the game today, I'd say the comedy is fantastic, the environments are pretty great and the combats boring. Boss battles are great tho. Story isn't as bad as you'd think. It's at a base fine enough? But the charachters are all great and feel different from each other. Completion is encouraged and I feel like I might try sometime. I will say, combat is the worst part, but it isn't all of the game, and it's not that bad. Handholdy if anything.
Honestly, I really enjoyed the plot and humor that the game offered. Definitely had some heartfelt moments. For me, as long as the gameplay is decent and has a great story and well-timed humor, I'll at least give it a try. If I like it, great! If not, then it was fun while it lasted.
It's like they listen to everyone hopes and complaints and decided to the exact opposite again lol. Bruh it would have been better to just have this battle system for bosses and none for mobs.
I can only speak for me, but I really didn't enjoy it. I was hopeful with the trailer too. Then I played it and it felt like repeated slaps to the face.
@Wil E People always seem to think that Nintendo would resent or be scared of Bug Fables. But it's actually one of the most heavily promoted third party games, especially for an indie. They put it up on their TH-cam, as well as they put the character showcases as announcements on the Switch homepage. I just don't think that they consider Bug Fables as competition.
I've been thinking about doing a challenge run, something like only using the breakable items and never fleeing from a battle. It would actually mean that coins can help me buy more attacks and give incentive to overworld battles. Just an idea, and maybe it could help make the game more fun overall.
As the old saying goes if it's not brokwn don't fix it. Idk why Nintendo loves gimmicks so much because half the time they are poorly implemented ideas that sound good on paper but just don't go very well with the game. Overall the game looks good but the combat rubics cube type system just doesn't do it for me and is a massive turn off since the fights is what makes the game overall
...Yup, I’m gonna pass on this for obvious reasons. But I’m happy for those who are planning to buy this! Have fun with the game! I’ll be tackling my backlog and looking forward to the recent rumors about the Mario 35th Anniversary remasters and the Nintendo Direct on the 20th.
"Nintendo releases a new NSMB game" Fans: It's too similar to the previous! "Nintendo releases a new Paper Mario/Mario Party game with different mechanics" Fans: It's too different!
sequels are for improving a game or expanding them not changing them entirely Nintendo fails at doing that. they either change way to little to warrant a sequal ive lost track of how many nsmb games there are. or they change the core mechanics of the game so much its only visually similar to the originals .
@@necrov23 Nope, that's only early games with Goombas n all, later on the enemies just scramble over the board without prior warning according to other reviews and gameplay clips
@@isimioyekunlemarktaiwo3643 Not really, there's only one answer always. After that you turn off your mind. There's no room for unique tactics that were present in the ogs.
I’d love to experience the humor (and the battle system) I dearly wish there was a demo, because this doesn’t sound like something I’d enjoy. I’ve never played a Paper Mario game, I wish they’d get a re-release. I’d buy that in a heartbeat. But this I think I’ll wait for a sale.
What is wrong with Nintendo? They know that EVERYONE IN THIS WORLD wants the old turn based combat and Nintendo's like "hmmm, I know! Let's mess this game up as-well". f
This game is definitely a big step up from Sticker Star and Color Splash. Enough to where I really want to get home from work to play more. It’s not the first two in terms of quaility but I can finally say it’s a good experience so far for a change.
I actually thought it was worse than Sticker Star. The only thing I think was a solid improvement was that you had a connected world rather than the SS style map.
Imagine a Paper Mario game with battle mechanics and weapon upgrades like 64 and Thousand Year Door, with Wario as the main villain and minimal in your face paper/craft references. You could play on Wario's past traits with level themes including a pirate ship, temple ruins, a casino, ominous lost/dark woods, and a big destruction monsterjam race type event, a space level and more. For side character quests similar to TTYD with Peach/Bowser story cuts, you could play as Luigi who is missing, where in his side stories he encounters ghosts (a la Luigi's Mansion). Similar to quiz cut scenes in the first game, you could have micro games (a la Wario Ware), which can also be a feature of the casino themed level. Ally characters could be a chain chomp, a lakitu, a shy guy and a ghost of some sort, all with their own character and flare. A cutscene guide type character could be kuro neko from Wario Land 4 for GBA.
Sounds great, but just take out the paper/crafts jokes in general. The original first three Paper Mario has no Paper jokes at all, in exchange for much better humor. But yeah, other than that, this sounds like a great sequel to the OG Paper Mario games.
Nintendo have been trying to distance the Paper Mario series from its RPG roots for the past 4 entries now. Maybe it’s time they brought back Super Mario RPG to scratch that itch?
Right now the only thing that comes close to doing that is Bug Fables The Everlasting Sapling. It took the level of story telling, and game play of the first two Paper Mario games and expanded on them. It's so much better than TOK it's not funny. It's also 1/3 the price.
So as someone who never beat the 1st 2 paper Mario games as long as it has a good story and fun characters I'm in the only paper Mario I wasn't really into was sticker star because of the stickers
Y'all need to stop buying these games if you think you're going to be disappointed. What type of game makes you want to avoid combat because it's boring and offer no incentive?
Fans are worried about a repeat of Chibi-Robo. That game also got destroyed by Kensuka Tanabe. He made Zip Lash, which was nothing like the other games, and then said if it got low sales the series would end. So it was a catch 22, either pay and hope the next game is good and back to what you want, or don't and the series ends because a lack of sales.
I got both, Bug Fables was the best purchase I've made this year, and TOK was the worst. I actually dislike it more than Sticker Star, and that is really saying something.
This unfortunately may be the death of paper Mario... this is the 3rd time in a row that Nintendo has gotten it wrong and it’s clear the fans aren’t happy. This could very well be the last paper Mario game we ever see...
Even though the original Paper Mario series is dead, Origami King will sell really well regardless because it's a Mario game. I'm sure Intelligent Systems will keep making new Paper Mario games in this style as sad as it sounds.
It does have a time limit, but you can buy more time with your Coins, and going off of footage, you get LOTS of Coins so I wouldn't worry too much about the time limit.
I really like this game, it gives off a lot of super paper mario charm, by that I mean that every ally builds a lot of character throughout the game. If you are a big fan of super paper mario you should definitely get this
I was cautiously optimistic about the game waiting to see if there was anything else Intelligent System were hiding anything else. Saw a few battles and noticed no experience. ThE cOiNs ArE eXp. until you buy all the equipment that’s at max level which would take much long in a real RPG and not this fake nonsense that’s action adventure.
Most seem to be apologizing for how bad a lot of it is except the music, graphics, and exploration. I personally dislike it more than Sticker Star. It's the epitome of why I didn't like that game with more crap I don't like thrown on top.
Jfc I wish Nintendo would just listen to fans when it came to Paper Mario. We want an RPG with simple, mostly gimmick-free, turn based combat, funny/interesting characters and dialogue, and an open world. That's all you have to do. Don't reinvent the wheel if it' was already turning smoothly.
Nintendo took us too literally when we said we wanted Turn Based Combat
Lmao Fr tho
Omg best comment
Still think its better then the last two
Haha you're absolutely right.
LOL
"No incentive to fight" ... I can't get behind Nintendo's weird design decision here.
It's made by intelligent systems not Nintendo.
@@Happymonday2015 Nintendo does not want paper mario to be an rpg
Happymonday Unintelligent Systems
@@Frostflame you don´t understand that Intelligent System was forced to change from an RPG to something new because nintendo don´t wanted 2 Mario RPG games and Mario and Luigi was more like the original mario, they don´t wanted Mario storys that are very unlike mario and that´s why IS is forced to change from an RPG to now a puzzle game. It´s not their fault and they are still have great writing
Happymonday Nintendo owns intelligent systems so this is nintendos fault too
It just bothers me that all they had to do was add some sort of exp system to incentivise you to battle and I’d have little to no complaints about this game
Elliot Duby ik know this isn’t what you mean, but i think the incentive to battle is to get coins so you can buy different versions of the hammer and jump attacks
Frost Fire yeah but there are just too many coins, and Mario one shots basically everything
Coins are the experience system
To be honest, the real incentive for me to battle is fetch quests, NPC, or forced battle, or different equipment and combo to try (e.g. skill tree, skill branches, equipment and loots). Exp by itself doesn't give any incentive at all, I think you are forgetting all the other things that complement the reason for exp system.
@@gaston8481 you can apparently also find versions of attacks in the Overworld as well, along with coins and confetti
I hate when they focus on gimmicks, instead of focusing on the simplest reasons we enjoyed the originals.
Exactly, people thinl we're complaining just because but no, these new games are soulless.
@@criticalhard they aren't soulless tho :p
DashingIb true! But it’s a legitimate reason to not really be excited for it.
DashingIb I mean....they took away the purpose of battle, in a game that spawned two amazing RPG experiences as it’s first two games. Excellent cast of supporting characters, simple and hilarious story, and ENGAGING battle system.
I did like Super Paper Mario. I found it fun and engaging. Got a bit repetitive. But, it failed in comparison to Thousand Year Door.
THAT is why this looks so lacking to me. I’m sure there’s fun to be had. I’m sure it’ll have its die hard fans....but I for one, am not spending $60 on this!
@@JM-pm1yb there is sort of a reason to battle, HP + hearts and accessories cost a lot, and the best way to get coins is battling
Played and LOVED it. It isn’t the RPG game it used to be but it’s an RPG-like adventure game with lots of surprises and awesome new bosses, fantastic environments and new badges etc
I'm still pumped for this game, its a little disappointing that the game doesn't sound like too much of an improvement but i'm sure playing it will be in for a good time
Agreed. I know I won’t enjoy the combat, but the game itself still looks fun so I’ll still pick it up. I really don’t understand their design choice with the combat
@@amberh7171 but the combat is the game?
@@amberh7171 I guess they were trying to innovate combat with their Nintendo charm even though its a good example of if it aint broke dont fix it
@@I_was_a_Bullfrog I think Light Start means the new way combat is working in the game
AstrosGamer The whole game isn’t just the combat. Mostly what I’m hoping for are charming characters and level designs. Maybe I’ll be disappointed for hoping too much, but I still want to give it a shot.
"Nintendo and breakable items these days" ehem joycon drift ehem
Animal crossing new horizons anyone
I think I'll like the puzzle battle system. I like having to have a think instead of mashing a button repetitively. The charm and visuals looks AMAZING! Also, I love that each Toad you save shows up in the stand to cheer you on in the combat.
And this game will fefi Italy be more challenging then sticker star and color splash cuz its so much easier to make a hard puzzle then a hard strategic battle
Mashing on a paper mario game is fun though. I dont want to run into a goomba to carry out a 2 minute fight. I'd rather mash and move on
@@force4973 part of the fun with PM and TTYD battles is strategizing with your companions, badges, and items to find your fight style and plan for the boss fights
Force What regular fight OK takes that long? And even then at least it’s more stimulating than mashing the same button over and over again to kill the same nooks in other RPGs.
@Joel Johnson I highly disagree as TOK was one of the worst games I've played.
The battle system does ruin the game for me. I'm not buying it. If I want to see the great writing and wit in the game, I will just watch a let's play of it.
You haven’t even played it yet..? So how would you know if it ruins the game for you?
@@bluebomber875 because it doesn't take much to realize it's moving the ring a couple times then doing one of a few super repetitive attacks. You can make your own mind up easily if that's appealing or not. Apparently it doesn't even evolve much by the end game, all the enemies are samey etc..
@@bluebomber875 the partners have almost no influence during battle, I don't want to deal with a puzzle with every battle, and there is no exp.
I don't have to actually play the game to recognize these points. It is all clear on trailers and reviews.
The game looks great and seems well written, but that doesn't make up for the poor battle system imo.
@@bluebomber875 If the gameplay is lame but the story is great then i can just watch somebody play it whilst i enjoy the story bits. We already know how the gameplay works because of Treehouse presentation
Yep, I can tell just by the sight of the battle system that it's a purchase canceller for me. Glorified fucking puzzle game, looks so repetitive and dull even just the second time watching someone else do it. No exp, no levels, no skills or character progression outside new boots and hammers? Nope. Way to continue the Paper Mario RPG legacy, by taking out the RPG...Plus maybe your average person could have some challenge with that system, it looks so simple to me it's insulting, I'd rather have Paper Mario the Sudoku Curse...
It looks good but I might wait until it is in a sale or becomes cheaper!
I mean Nintendo games rarely go on sale so maybe you might just want to buy it now
Nintendo did a sale about a week ago but don’t count on this game being on sale anytime soon. It’s a rarity for Nintendo.
Nintendo games on sale? That's the best joke i've heard since a paper mario games battle system
I’ve been waiting for luigis mansion to go on sale too my g and here I am still waiting
Automata 2B Nintendo games like Mansion 3 just don’t go on sale... if you can spare $60 I would just get it as it’s a phenomenal game and I really enjoyed the adventure
Need another mario and Luigi bowser's inside story's
nah another partners in time the shroobs still have a lot of potential
That would be great. Haven't played it since the DSi
That's not happening sadly..
Yeh alphadream filed for bankruptcy
@@callumglowacki7333 oh shit that sucks
I'm still waiting for Mario RPG in the NSO SNES app.
And eternally waiting for Mario RPG 2
Felipe Carvalho that would technically be Paper Mario!
And the spiritual successors being the Mario and Luigi series
Ditto
Square Enix is very stingy with their IP. Good Luck waiting for Super Mario RPG cause its never gonna happen like Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy VI coming to NSO. I really hope im proven wrong by SE.
@@RockinRay-dp6zx yeah I know but I don't accept it. I still love The original too much
@@emersonssbb Nintendo should have been smarter when they collaborated with Square on Mario RPG...Square shouldn't have as much control over a MARIO game as they apparently do. Maybe we could have seen Geno & Mallow in Kart, Party & various sports games. Then again, Nintendo does love making random generic enemies playable and having alternate costumes treated like individual characters instead of putting any real effort into choosing actual characters for the rosters....
If battling is broken I kinda think the game shouldn’t be praised as highly as you did. I get the other features may be good, but battling is such a HUGE part of it, it’s the main gameplay
It’s really not
I can see your point but it’s like praising legend of Zelda bow for being a good walking simulator and ignoring everything else, when reviewing games you have to account for everything like a game might have a bad main story but having the best side quests in the world may make some people want to pick it up.
I wish people would realize that the battle system is not Paper Mario and that’s the only thing that is Paper Mario.
An RPG is not an RPG without exp, levels, skills(usually), and some sort of battle system that lets you see character progress over time. This game isn't an RPG, and I wanted an RPG. Of course the battles are the most important part, take any amazing RPG out there and rip out the battle system, exp and level system, skill system, and put in a shitty puzzle mini-game instead and that game would now be trash. I guess it could still have a great story, but then I'm only willing to pay half price or less for half of a game or less. So sad they had to go and fuck up a great looking game like this. Hopefully Ghosts of Tsushima doesn't have eating competitions instead of sword combat...and hopefully Cyberpunk 77 isn't a Let's Dance clone at its heart. Like FFS how stupid can a studio be to make a battle system like this in a line of PURE RPG GAMES...the incompetence is staggering. Sorry if you like it, good for you, hope you enjoy the game, I know I wouldn't.
@@VoiceOvaGuy hahaha baby didn't get what he wanted. Better go off and cry in the corner somewhere
If they would have nailed the combat this might have been amazing. :(
It's pretty bad that the game make you feel like you WANT to avoid combat. That should count for something and should be a blow to its quality.
@The 3D Printing HQ anything is better than CS' combat =_=
@@BlueAizu_ it is rather disappointing. I can admire innovation when it pays off, and devs deserve to be able to be creative, but it doesn't always pan out
It needs a LOT of fixes for it to be a good game. This game is nowhere near as good as Paper Mario 64 and TTYD.
9:24
doesn't the footage on the screen contradict this complaint? Since the Shyguys and Sniffts are in mix groups but the game still gives Mario the attack bonus
Yes yes it does
Yeah, I realized that too.
Question now, is why are they counted as the same bonus, not taking advantage of the back being similar to trip the player a bit.
Enemies do not have to be grouped together with other like enemies to get the attack bonus. Just lined up or boxed into a square is all that is required.
Dang I'm definitely gonna get this (unlike the last 2) but I just think this game could have really been even better if there were an incentive to battles. I get it. They wanted to try something new and that's fine. Just make the battles worth doing (xp, leveling up, new attacks) and that could be the perfect balance between old and new Paper Mario.
@Joel Johnson First off, if there doesn't need to be a purpose for the battles then why do them? If engaging enemies in battles does not reward me for defeating them then battling does not contribute anything to progressing in the game, period.
Secondly, BOTW's and Odyssey's combat sequences are completely different than Paper Marios turn based combat sequences. In BOTW and Odyssey you are given the freedom to choose whether you want to fight enemies or not. In Origami king, Color Splash and Sticker Star you are drawn into an RPG-like, turn based battle sequence when engaging enemies that you have to either complete or try to run away.
Finally, in BOTW fighting enemies is the *MAIN* way to get new weapons and gear. Fighting enemies rewarded you with weapons, shields and recipe ingredients. in Odyssey you are rewarded with coins for taking out enemies. Coins were used to revive you meaning the more coins you had, the more times you could be revived. And you could use coins to purchase outfits.
I'm not picking up the game but I'll sure as hell be listening to the soundtrack 24/7.
Happymonday there is a museum with all the tracks you unlock by filling all the holes with confetti in every area, it’s just so good
Sad this game only offers eye and ear candy
Why is it so hard to make a thousand year door sequel???
Because Miyamoto. He HATES the idea of stories in a Mario game. Look at what happened to Super Mario Galaxy 2.
Because the current series producer, Kensuke Tanabe, doesn't want to make an RPG. He wants to make the same game over and over with Toads and some new battle system gimmick that won't matter because battles aren't necessary to do.
@@matthewmagnani2915 I actually never got around to galxy 2 as much as I loved the first game.. Something about a new 3d Mario so quick after the last one turned me off it... I've heard its a fantastic game though
Midtoker Marius from what I heard, Galaxy 2 is amazing gameplay wise, but the story side of it from 1 is almost completely toned down
They aren't interested in making a sequel to TTYD.
This is the type of game you have to play in person to decide if you like it or not. Gameplay is a bit different. I’m sure its something I can get used to. I really wished they added a level exp system. It makes the battling system not as exiting, but I do love the series and will give it a try.
*Update: I love this game ❤️
If its not a leveling system, might as well skip as many battles as i can
I really liked the battle system. The coins were good enough for me to battle. But the Battle system seems to be “You either love it or hate it” KingK really loves the battle system but then Arlo... not so much
I can’t wait for this game! While the combat is looking a bit, iffy. The rest of this game looks absolutely incredible
Good to hear! I’m still getting my copy Friday.
Who would like Free DLC: Old Style Paper Mario Battles!
Ikr, i would love to see ttyd battle system coyp and pasted into the modern games just to see how much they would improve
No
As long as it's actually free and not 'ehy, pay X amount of money on top of an over priced base game to get the full experience' it's ok
And XP system
This is the most moronic comment on youtube. Like actually brain dead.
So color splash two? Noted *puts away wallet*
To be fair, I played a bit of Color Splash the other day. It's not terrible but you may want to watch at least 2-3 more reviews to see what the general thoughts are 🤔
Your loss, though I do hope you find something you enjoy instead
Don’t get me wrong guys, I’ll play it. But just not at launch 😂
@@ridelyssxd704 ah ok. But for real though, Color Splash is my 2nd favorite of the series because... Well nothing can ever top Super
Sticker star 3
Super paper mario 4
= meh
Yep! That settles it! I'm getting Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze
Well, your loss on what this game offers, but I hope you enjoy DKC at least instead!
Youre going to love tropical freeze, its one of the best switch games
@@MaximumAddition it's really a matter of taste. Which of these would I find more fun for myself? Paper Mario Origami King might be a good game by it's own merits, but sometimes you need to weigh the priorities of one's self
@@joeygamer5387 yep. For me it will be Xenoblade Chronicles DE. Never got to play it when it first came out back on the Wii.
DKCTF is an amazing game definitely recommend that over this.
So this game was recommended due to everything that wasn't the gameplay? Sounds like a perfect game to watch a let's play of and not buy.
Jesper0707 951 Exactly. I'm not paying $60 4 this.
U stole this idea
I started a Let’s Play if you’re interested! Though I will say I’m feeling it was money well-spent so far (only an hour in lol) because it feels like the Nintendo focus on FUN is really front and center th-cam.com/video/sNpA6h_3bD8/w-d-xo.html
That's what I do, lmao.
@neo toad town he wasn't punk
I feel like Nintendo has lost sight of what made the original Paper Mario games as popular as they are. It just feels like the heart, soul and creativity of the characters, worlds and stories we remembered from the first 3 titles are dumbed down. The Origami King definitely feels like a step in the right direction but this is just like what happened with Super Mario Party and Mario Tennis Aces. You don't need to fix what wasn't broken to begin with.
they did the same thing with Star Fox....Command on DS was a gimmicky touch controlled trainwreck with the worst story possible ( I liked the new big bad, Emperor Anglar though...he had potential ), then after a long ass time gave us another remake of the original ( yep, 64 is literally a remake of the SNES original that incorporated aspects of the then scrapped Star Fox 2 ) that again focused on a gimmicky control setup while now ignoring a ton of what fans loved about the series. It's like they're afraid of originality and story half the time
I like it cause I wasn’t alive during the paper Mario and paper Mario ttyd days so i can’t tell if it’s bad or not
In that case, I'll tell you. Because I was alive during the first two games. Origami king is good
It’s not really a paper Mario game, but super Mario rpg legend of the seven stars is my favorite Mario rpg game.
I’d recommend going back to play TTYD! If you like origami king I’m sure you’d like that one too
I grew up playing sticker star but I recently played the thousand year door on dolphin and it’s good if you can you should definitely try it out
ttyd is better if you like a more traditional rpg with a more compelling story. This is for if you like puzzles or something and don't wanna fight at all
I was alive but never tried a paper Mario.
This game is NOT a RPG game. It’s a adventure game with puzzles and lots of witty writing tho still in the kid side. Forgot about the other paper Mario games and think of this as a spine off. Like for real or you will get mad lol
This is the type of game I play for an hour some days. What keep me playing is seeing the new areas which do get more impressive the more you play. Olivia who at first start out as annoying you grew to like and her cute charm. Not trying to 100% always moving forward so you don’t burnout cuz it’s very easy in this game. Don’t grind for money and battles, have fun with items and use accessory. My fav so far which makes the game battle bearable is the accessory where it tells you how you should line up the enemies omg it’s a LIFE SAVER. You get it after beating the 2nd boss and if you can past that it really helps
I like this game but don’t over do it and have a diff mind set
Man, I remember so many people were so happy about the jump and hammer coming back so that they wouldn't just spend coins on expendable items in battles to get more coins to spend on expendable items.
Well. I guess they technically don't have to with the base jump attack, but... Well, what Alex said.
"Weapons" and "break" are two words gamers do not want to hear side-by-side.
In the Golden Sun series, many armour/accessories (esp. Rings) could be Used (vs. Equipped) for special effects and have a chance of breaking. I never Used them. It sounds like a pain to go back to stores and repair the broken items. Much greater a tragedy to use the coins earned from a battle to repurchase an attack that was used in that battle.
@@ninjaydes
I'm pretty sure classic Fire Emblem fans weren't impressed with weapon durability being removed in Fates.
Hard pass. Thanks for the heads up. I'd rather play the first Paper Mario.
Me personally, the lack of an exp system for me is breath of fresh air. Sometimes, you just wanna play a game like this without worrying about grinding levels
2 words: Chrono Trigger
Yeah but, TTYD and Color Splash never actually required grinding.
If it had xp it wouldnt matter paper mario games aint that hard
I assume this is your first paper Mario game? From the arts and craft section anyway since the whole no exp bs has already over stayed its welcome since stickerstar :/ , this being the 3rd game with no exp an from the SS/CS series
Lmao this game has a battle system that's useless and a waste of time.
The question is...
Is Labo in this game?
Lol
Holy crap it's perfect
Honestly, that would be cool
Tape and pencils are
Nintendo has planted their flag in the ground and their heads in the sand. The Paper Mario series is no longer an RPG
No it is not an rpg...It is an action adventure.
be happy that you finally have a paper mario game since color splash
Lol that doesn't make sense when it's still a RPG game
It is an RPG! Rotating Paper Gimmick
@ I feel dumber after reading that
Dang it, I mean I didn’t get my hopes up but with the battle system I guess I’ll pass on the game. I mean I played Bug Fables so I’ve gotten my Paper Mario for the console anyway.
MitchManEXE same if any1 sees this comment and wants an old paper mario experience get bug fables
If you already got your Paper Mario console fix with Bug Fables why not just pick this up for something different? It certainly looks really good, even if it doesn't have the battles you were idealizing. You might find yourself surprised.
@@stephen1896 No one wants to be "surprised", I just want a good Mario RPG.
Steel Tarkus
Speak for yourself
@@steel5897 Then I wouldn't recommend Bug Fables to you.
Is there ever enough waffling though?
I’m getting the game even if the combat system looks like trash. I skipped the last 2 paper Mario’s and I’m ready for this one! Everything else looks great.
Just a note this world may not feel like the first three games -- play it as a game that it interests you, not because it's name is a Paper Mario game.
I was considering getting this until you got to the ring battle part. That is awful!
Me too dont like the ring battle
I dont like the battle system it has no sense just losing time... Just get confeti from trees...
Yeah..
What are you saying? The ring system is actually quite a well made battle system. Besides, as you progress through the game, over world confetti becomes more scarce and larger amounts of money will be needed to purchase accessories, giving more purpose to the battles.
Its okay
Over time, I found the battles alright. The battle items last for ten-ish uses each which is more than enough. As for the coins: Even when I had over 50,000, I was down to 200 really quickly. If you want to complete the game, you need the coins. Overall, I'm really enjoying the game.
Me too
I liked how in the older games, the paper was more of an Art Style cuz it was a story from a book (hence the Chapters), but now its kinda overdone and they're self aware of it. The big white outlines, how they wiggle while standing in place, etc. Really offputting. And yeah the combat looks terrible and that's what I loved most about the older games. Using different badge set ups. having to manage flower points and star abilities.
Next thing we know, metroid prime 4 will have breakable beams and armor
I don’t like the breakable wepons in breath of the wild.
Sad thing is, that's actually REALLY easy to achieve. Have her beams and armor take health/damage with each use, but AS she uses it, it wears down your upgraded suit health until you repair it with specific metals that you find in the overworld
Yes, i know energy ammo is in metroid prime games.
@@DEATHNOTE7428 i don't like botw at all. It's my least favorite zelda game. I hope botw 2 improves drastically
Samus can BREAK! :p
I’ll be picking this up Friday. This will be my first Paper Mario game, so I really don’t have anything to compare it to
Are you liking it
Play the original and thousand year door when u can!
No incentive to fight? What do you mean?! The battle themes are a bop
I will probably watch a play through on TH-cam or something. looks interesting but not quite what I expected/wanted. good review.
As a guy who was uncertain on how I'd feel about the battle system, I went into this with an open mind because I saw so many folks enjoying this title--
I couldn't get into. I think you detailed the battle system perfectly
It's either insulting easy or baffling, I had another person with me trying to solve these puzzles. I didn't know about the assist mode, so that is neat feature, but I genuinely think that could help a little. However, I just didn't find it all that rewarding for the amount of effort you had to put into battles.
Of course, just because it wasn't for me does not mean it isn't for everyone! Good review!
Sad day that they decided to get rid of the battle system for some puzzle solving gimmick. Gonna be a skip for me.
9:22 Puzzles aren't solved by grouping the same types of enemies together. The only requirement is getting them into 1x4 or 2x2 arrangements. The actual enemy type doesn't matter at all, so your complaint about Sniffits/ShyGuys being similar from the back is pretty unimportant.
In your own gameplay example, you got a "Perfect Lineup" which proves that mixing the two up doesn't matter (though they do have different HP)...
What a surprise. It's just Sticker Star 3. Not wasting my time and money on this half assed soulless crap.
The battle system looks fun. I also like that you can avoid it for the most part if you're just not feeling it. Looking forward to this one.
It's amazing how one design decision can literally ruin a game. JUST USE EXP NINTENDO
I can't wait to start digging into this game! I expect the gameplay to be a little bit different than previous games but I'm ready for something new to play/stream other than Animal Crossing New Horizons! I'm a little burnt out on ACNH. Anyways, great review!
there are so many switch games did you played all big ones already?
Hope you enjoy it!
There are like 20 other blockbusters you could play. My recommendation: Zelda BotW, Splatoon 2, Mario Maker 2, Mario Odyssey, Smash, Luigis Mansion 3
It sounds like the only thing they really need to change, apart from elemental battles so I hear, is the repetitive nature of the over world battles. Either by providing a set number of enemies in the over world each with a unique take on the turn based system, or even a system that destroys earlier enemies in the over world on contact. I am so HYPED for this game, two more days.
I've preorderd but the combat looks so slack everything else looks decent so we shall see when the games out
Ye, looks kinda useless
Yea combat is tedious
Combat is pretty fun
Joel Johnson Sorry for offending you mate
@Joel Johnson think of basketball, you get points for making shots right.. that's old paper mario
And this game allows you to shoot a ball out of a canon from outside the nba dome. Yeah it's cool and entertaining but you get no points for it. So doing it is pointless after the first few times and you might as well just have gone for normal shots.... but you can't make normal shots now, you're stuck shooting your canon shots but with no rewards whatsoever
I don't understand the critic of "not able to solve the rings puzzle with the time given and receive damage". You are able to buy more time with your coins so that's technically not an issue, right? I see parts of gameplay with 18k coins...
people complain about having too many coins, and then they don't use them.
I bet they’re the same people who said the battles looked to easy
Meh another unnecessary gimmick
Nintendo really needs to get over this idea of putting degrading items into their games. It wasn't particularly fun in Breath of the Wild, and adds a layer of annoyance and tedium to Animal Crossing New Horizons. If there's any proof of this being the case, when diving came out, and there is literally nothing that stops you from just diving forever and enjoying your time - that feeling of relief is one.
Glad to know I'm not missing out on anything worth my money. At least we have Bug Fables.
Nintendo will listen to fans on everything else but Paper Mario and F-Zero
or Waluigi for smash
Smash melee fans
I hate when they focus on gimmicks, instead of focusing on the simplest reasons we enjoyed to originals.
And Metroid
I appreciate Nintendo Life's honest review. Good to know what players can look foward to before buying.Thank you!
For years, the Paper Mario community has consistently asked for only 2 major things:
1) battles that serve a purpose; and
2) fleshed out partners
What we got were the most half-assed attempts possible at meeting these two goals. Partners are back, but they're temporary and you can't control them in battle. Battles have been shaken up, but aren't satisfying and don't offer a worthwhile reward. Fuck this game and the tone-deaf executives in charge of these creative decisions.
Lol
12:21 Here's my main problem with this if the best parts of the game are the story and the characters and not the combat or gameplay the part I would be playing...why don't I just watch someone else play it? Or just watch someone else live stream it? I would get to see all the "good" the game has to offer and I wouldn't even need to pay for it. Which I think really does need to brought up more this is a $70+ dollar game and honestly does this game really feel worth the full price?
Good point!
Ex-fucking-xactly
I feel like people are being hard on the game’s combat just because its not full on TTYD. I personally think its a great change and makes it fun, plus you get better at them the more you do them, and i much rather get my coins and confetti from battles than literally smacking everything in the world.
Or because it looks tedious and boring. I'm not even thinking of TTYD when I look at that, it just looks tiresome. Skip!
No joke, nearly (or every I don’t remember) all the reviews I watched of this game was carried by “the games pretty funny, and the environment’s cool” instead of the story, setting and fighting. Legit the hub world might be the best part of the game
Just finished the game today, I'd say the comedy is fantastic, the environments are pretty great and the combats boring. Boss battles are great tho. Story isn't as bad as you'd think. It's at a base fine enough? But the charachters are all great and feel different from each other. Completion is encouraged and I feel like I might try sometime. I will say, combat is the worst part, but it isn't all of the game, and it's not that bad. Handholdy if anything.
Honestly, I really enjoyed the plot and humor that the game offered. Definitely had some heartfelt moments. For me, as long as the gameplay is decent and has a great story and well-timed humor, I'll at least give it a try. If I like it, great! If not, then it was fun while it lasted.
Cheers Alex. Can always count on you for honest, down to earth reviews that cover all the important stuff.
It's like they listen to everyone hopes and complaints and decided to the exact opposite again lol. Bruh it would have been better to just have this battle system for bosses and none for mobs.
Because ppl are buying it and say they're disappointed, but not enough to say they regret buying it.
this this this
@@tokenetta8070 I've seen many people say they regret buying it. I know I'me one of them.
8/10 not bad at all. I’ll probably pick it up. Thanks for the review.
Am I the only one who’s actually really enjoying the game???
I can only speak for me, but I really didn't enjoy it. I was hopeful with the trailer too. Then I played it and it felt like repeated slaps to the face.
I might get it actually
Sounds really good
This guy gives most games an 8 in his reviews.
Most of the games he looks at are good so a high score is common
Welp, they managed to screw up the Combat again... Oh well, Off to Bug Fables!
Yeah for half the price of this game🖒
Just wish Bug Fables had a physical release. Will still get it at some point thkugh as it doesn't take up much space.
Wil E Nintendo gets money regardless. There is no “competition”
@Wil E People always seem to think that Nintendo would resent or be scared of Bug Fables.
But it's actually one of the most heavily promoted third party games, especially for an indie. They put it up on their TH-cam, as well as they put the character showcases as announcements on the Switch homepage.
I just don't think that they consider Bug Fables as competition.
Everything but the battle mechanics looks fun to me. I'm disappointed.
stop thinking that Nintendo is going remember TTYD
@@damagedaether I never played TTYD, just the first Paper Mario and Mario RPG. I just want RPG mechanics :(
@@GrabEmByTheJoystick Play TTYD its amazing. Also play Bug Fables
Well now I'm happy i got Bug Fables instead
I'm skipping the game for the lack of incentive to fight. All it is now is a interactive story.
Thanks for sharing, I was wondering if maximum force on TH-cam was going to buy this or not
Your loss
I've been thinking about doing a challenge run, something like only using the breakable items and never fleeing from a battle. It would actually mean that coins can help me buy more attacks and give incentive to overworld battles. Just an idea, and maybe it could help make the game more fun overall.
@@dysondyson9524 damn bro. You sure showed me not to share opinions on the internet that upsets mario fanboys.
@@SliminBlue eh, just not my type of game.
As the old saying goes if it's not brokwn don't fix it. Idk why Nintendo loves gimmicks so much because half the time they are poorly implemented ideas that sound good on paper but just don't go very well with the game. Overall the game looks good but the combat rubics cube type system just doesn't do it for me and is a massive turn off since the fights is what makes the game overall
...Yup, I’m gonna pass on this for obvious reasons. But I’m happy for those who are planning to buy this! Have fun with the game!
I’ll be tackling my backlog and looking forward to the recent rumors about the Mario 35th Anniversary remasters and the Nintendo Direct on the 20th.
I feel the backlog thing
Sad. I had my hopes up for this one.
Sorry to be off-topic, but I love it when he calls us lovely people! And as usual, another great review!!!
"Nintendo releases a new NSMB game"
Fans: It's too similar to the previous!
"Nintendo releases a new Paper Mario/Mario Party game with different mechanics"
Fans: It's too different!
The Street Fighter yup that’s bout it
True true
sequels are for improving a game or expanding them not changing them entirely Nintendo fails at doing that. they either change way to little to warrant a sequal ive lost track of how many nsmb games there are. or they change the core mechanics of the game so much its only visually similar to the originals .
I heard there’s going to be a Paper Mario, the thousand year door remastered on Switch!!
Nope.. But super Mario rpg remake on switch!!!!!!!!
@@ahmedhasan4966Both are true
@@HydraSpectre1138 yes thanks for reminding me even though I made that comment before they revealed TTYD REMAKE.
No exp and strategy makes it a wait for a sale for me. $60 is too much for a minor improvement imo.
So shifting enemy and place them to your advantage is not a strategy?
Good luck because Nintendo rarely puts their first party games on sale.
@@isimioyekunlemarktaiwo3643 Not really because they reveal the solution at the start anyway.
@@necrov23 Nope, that's only early games with Goombas n all, later on the enemies just scramble over the board without prior warning according to other reviews and gameplay clips
@@isimioyekunlemarktaiwo3643 Not really, there's only one answer always. After that you turn off your mind. There's no room for unique tactics that were present in the ogs.
I’d love to experience the humor (and the battle system) I dearly wish there was a demo, because this doesn’t sound like something I’d enjoy. I’ve never played a Paper Mario game, I wish they’d get a re-release. I’d buy that in a heartbeat. But this I think I’ll wait for a sale.
If you have a computer, Dolphin is your friend.
Yes an Alex-narrated video! And thanks for the review! I've been wondering if this is worth picking up!
This is why I liked Super Paper Mario, there was no turn base battles, but there was no XP, so it was good
Really looking forward to it! Brilliant review Alex!
You haven’t even seen all the video...
@@sunspot5 He fast forward it, so he can watch all the 13 minutes in 1 minute, and doesn't understand anything of it 🤣
2:12 "origami freaks"
I am one. All hail the ORIGAMI EMPIRE!!!
All hail King Olly!
What is wrong with Nintendo? They know that EVERYONE IN THIS WORLD wants the old turn based combat and Nintendo's like "hmmm, I know! Let's mess this game up as-well".
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This game is definitely a big step up from Sticker Star and Color Splash. Enough to where I really want to get home from work to play more. It’s not the first two in terms of quaility but I can finally say it’s a good experience so far for a change.
I actually thought it was worse than Sticker Star. The only thing I think was a solid improvement was that you had a connected world rather than the SS style map.
If I didn’t hear “hello lovely people” I would’ve been disappointed
Lol same
Imagine a Paper Mario game with battle mechanics and weapon upgrades like 64 and Thousand Year Door, with Wario as the main villain and minimal in your face paper/craft references. You could play on Wario's past traits with level themes including a pirate ship, temple ruins, a casino, ominous lost/dark woods, and a big destruction monsterjam race type event, a space level and more.
For side character quests similar to TTYD with Peach/Bowser story cuts, you could play as Luigi who is missing, where in his side stories he encounters ghosts (a la Luigi's Mansion).
Similar to quiz cut scenes in the first game, you could have micro games (a la Wario Ware), which can also be a feature of the casino themed level.
Ally characters could be a chain chomp, a lakitu, a shy guy and a ghost of some sort, all with their own character and flare. A cutscene guide type character could be kuro neko from Wario Land 4 for GBA.
Sounds great, but just take out the paper/crafts jokes in general. The original first three Paper Mario has no Paper jokes at all, in exchange for much better humor. But yeah, other than that, this sounds like a great sequel to the OG Paper Mario games.
Nintendo have been trying to distance the Paper Mario series from its RPG roots for the past 4 entries now. Maybe it’s time they brought back Super Mario RPG to scratch that itch?
Mario and Luigi games were always super fun but I doubt there will ever be a new one
Dyson Dyson it’s possible they might hand over the Mario and Luigi IP to another studio, but we won’t know until they announce it
Right now the only thing that comes close to doing that is Bug Fables The Everlasting Sapling. It took the level of story telling, and game play of the first two Paper Mario games and expanded on them. It's so much better than TOK it's not funny. It's also 1/3 the price.
So as someone who never beat the 1st 2 paper Mario games as long as it has a good story and fun characters I'm in the only paper Mario I wasn't really into was sticker star because of the stickers
Y'all need to stop buying these games if you think you're going to be disappointed. What type of game makes you want to avoid combat because it's boring and offer no incentive?
Fans are worried about a repeat of Chibi-Robo. That game also got destroyed by Kensuka Tanabe. He made Zip Lash, which was nothing like the other games, and then said if it got low sales the series would end. So it was a catch 22, either pay and hope the next game is good and back to what you want, or don't and the series ends because a lack of sales.
I’m apparently in the minority here. Own the OG, Thousand Year Door and Super Paper Mario. Loved all of them and I’m really enjoying this one too.
Literally a “turn-based” battle system
I was about to buy this game and decided to watch this video first .. thanks for the honest review. I think I’ll wait
Yeah, I think I'm done with Paper Mario. I may grab Bug Fables, though.
get it. its really good.
You’re selling yourself short, this game is really good and a helluva lot of fun.
I got both, Bug Fables was the best purchase I've made this year, and TOK was the worst. I actually dislike it more than Sticker Star, and that is really saying something.
The only good Paper Mario games are Paper Mario 64, TTYD, and SPM. SS, CS, and TOK really suck in my opinion. It's best to get Bug Fables.
This unfortunately may be the death of paper Mario... this is the 3rd time in a row that Nintendo has gotten it wrong and it’s clear the fans aren’t happy. This could very well be the last paper Mario game we ever see...
Even though the original Paper Mario series is dead, Origami King will sell really well regardless because it's a Mario game. I'm sure Intelligent Systems will keep making new Paper Mario games in this style as sad as it sounds.
so not worth it. Nintendo's handling of this series is a catastrophe in of itself. Disappointed but not surprised.
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Battle turns have a time limit? I have instantly lost interest in this game.
Why? I've heard the time limit is generous and also it would make the game even more easy If it didnt have it
It does have a time limit, but you can buy more time with your Coins, and going off of footage, you get LOTS of Coins so I wouldn't worry too much about the time limit.
Isn't the time limit just in the roundtable session before the actual fight?
Everyone complained that the previous games were too easy and now that they’ve harder people are complaining again lol
shouldnt matter seems there is basically zero choice for strategy across the whole game anyway.
I really like this game, it gives off a lot of super paper mario charm, by that I mean that every ally builds a lot of character throughout the game. If you are a big fan of super paper mario you should definitely get this
I cancelled my preorder. I'll see how reviews are when it's out for a bit.
@Joel Johnson He didnt say he's not getting the game. But its perfectly reasonable if he doesnt
I was cautiously optimistic about the game waiting to see if there was anything else Intelligent System were hiding anything else. Saw a few battles and noticed no experience. ThE cOiNs ArE eXp. until you buy all the equipment that’s at max level which would take much long in a real RPG and not this fake nonsense that’s action adventure.
@Joel Johnson *win. Not wasting time and money in this game seems like a big win to me
Most seem to be apologizing for how bad a lot of it is except the music, graphics, and exploration. I personally dislike it more than Sticker Star. It's the epitome of why I didn't like that game with more crap I don't like thrown on top.
Jfc I wish Nintendo would just listen to fans when it came to Paper Mario. We want an RPG with simple, mostly gimmick-free, turn based combat, funny/interesting characters and dialogue, and an open world. That's all you have to do. Don't reinvent the wheel if it' was already turning smoothly.